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Police arrested two suspects Sunday morning who are being questioned in the death of slain teen Hadiya Pendleton, officials confirmed with NBC.
The suspects were pulled over early this morning around 67th Street and South Chicago Avenue after detectives canvassed the area around Harsh Park, Chicago police said.
Sources close to the investigation said no charges have been filed and the investigation is ongoing.
The new information comes one day after First Lady Michelle Obama attended the funeral for the 15-year-old, whose death has put Chicago gun violence in the spotlight.
It also follows the announcement of President Obama's plans to address gun violence in the city.
Mayor Rahm Emanuel called the teens mother Cleopatra Pendleton this morning to tell her the news, sources told NBC Chicago.
Reward leading to her killer last stood at $40,000.
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Good news if they have found the lowlifes.
It is a shame that a beautiful, talented, straight A student is dead because of a couple of ignorant, waste-of-life, going nowhere gang thugs mistook her for rival gang members invading their "so called" turf. She would have grown up to make something of her life. The only contribution to society these two gangstas pose is as food for worms.
bad news... guess if they don't fess up...they can be water boarded til they do...
No,they have taken suspects in for questioning.I believe that Rahm Emanuel is jumping the gun,so to speak,as is the media.The police in Chicago are desperate to find the culprits due to the extensive media coverage of this young ladies senseless murder.If it turns out that these two are involved as the driver or the shooter they are still entitled to a trial, as this is the way our justice system works in the United States of America.
The mayor of Chicago should resign - it's gotten so much worse since he was elected - very sad
Obama might go Benghazi on them - you know - do nothing
Of course they are entitled to a trial. Don't you pray for the banishment of guns, drugs, & gangs? Teach families to pay attention to their children, promote morals & learning; praise them when they do well. Zap the violent video games -- sign them up for music lessons, acting classes, chess, ping pong--anything to promote knowledge & physical activity. Make sure they have a strong sense of right & wrong. Watch who they pal around with. This deceased young girl learned to make great choices in her life; her family can ony wonder what wonderful things she might have done w/her life.
The vile evil of killings affects SO many--families, friends, communities, all the nation who pay attention to lose of life. Ban guns!!! Ban drugs! Promote a thinking mind in a fit body, & make good choices--this is what youngsters need to hear & see all the time.
Chicago has a no gun policy...this tragedy, as others will not be stopped by passing more gun laws. Even with the strictest gun laws-the criminals still have guns and law abiding citizens are left sitting ducks.
Luckymom,
I agree with every thing you said but banning the guns. Instead of banning why don't we make the punishment for using one in a crime more severe? But if you are going to ban guns which is nothing more then a tool what next, spoons or silverware?
We have gone out of our way to not share responsibility for our actions. If you do something wrong then blame it on your upbringing, or what social class you were raised in. Pregnant, just get a abortion, who cares about consequences to actions.
We need to teach our children to make better choices, stop looking at schools and the government to instill morality or guides into our children's lives, that is our responsibility. Do you know how to stop violence, get more involved with your children's lives. Parents who do not wish to act like parents should not only not have their children (but we also need to change the system so these children can go to responsible homes that will show love and respect, but we need to make sure that the ones having these children can have no more. Video games do nothing but cheapen the lives of individuals, maybe as parents we should try each video game our children play before they can play them, this way we are in charge of what is being pumped into their minds.
While I do not favor the government taking one faith and giving it precedence over another, since we have taken faith out of schools we have done nothing to replace that void. If we are not going to replace it then why are we so surprised when our children are acting out violently, this is all they know. If we do not demand that a void be filled then it will be filled by whatever can most easily fill it, and I think we can see since the 60's what that has done. I think instead of fighting against faith, maybe we should encourage our children to practice theirs instead. We do not need to have a class started in prayer, but what would it hurt to have a moment of silence to let children pray to whomever they wish, and if they do not believe then take a moment to get their minds in the right frame. How is this infringing on anyone's rights?
Just sad. If you know how to pray, pray for the families...
I don't think the color has anything to do with the crime. What we're seen is legal gun owners blaming all crime and massacres on stolen guns. So in other words, you all blame criminals and nutcases for stealing "law abiding citizen's guns" to commit crimes. The question is WHY??
Looks like we all need to be considering a more sophisticated and strict gun ownership and serial number enforcement as well as REPORTING enforcement on gun theft, right? If someone steals a gun from me and I didn't report it on time, I should be penalized. Very simple.
Cheyelles, those laws are already in place. Maybe if Obama's administration enforced anything, anything at all...
Jon Jones
Give it time. This administration named a full time ATF director. Prior to that even back as far as Bush the Directors have only been part time. Which has been a large part of the problem.
I think that laws will get enforced that are on the books.
I hope the two arrested are the ones and if not hope it leads to whom ever did this.
Gosh, and this from where Obama, and his minions have all been in charge for......ever, really. Oh, and guns have been illegal there for as long as I can remember.
Maybe we should outlaw divorce, because in most, if not all, perpatrators of the highly sensationalized kid shootings have come from divorced households, then we should take a hard look at the drugs doctors are handing out like candy to all the children(usually boys, ......that act like boys?), then...we can trip on over to the video games they are playing(usually shooter-style), and then look at the role models our lovely society touts as awesome and erects large temples to them, Superdome, Astrodome, Wrigley Stadium, Comcast Arena, Tiger stadium, the list is endless,....and payed for with our tax dollars, usually over the objections of the taxpayers. The Grammy awards, where all the girls dress like whores, and all the boys dress like pimps, etc, etc.
My nephew is a herion and methe addict, and has stolen everything his parents,....and most of the neighbors have of any value, and instead of locking him up for a year or two to get the dope out of his system, they put him out on the street after a couple of weeks, and his crimes keep getting worse and worse, and eventually he will kill somebody, or get killed burglarizing somebody that won't stand for it. And this is in a small, very conservative state like Idaho.
When I was a kid, I got caught stealing a candy bar,....and I got arrested and put in a cell at 11, and decided I didn't want to go back there, now kids steal cars, and don't even get their hands slapped.
It all has to end somewhere, but banning guns will only take guns out of the hands of legal owners and keep them in the hands of lawbreakers like here in Chicago.
Wake up America, stand up for intelligence, quit being run over by the media, and the political mob that wants to keep us divided and weak
@luckymom-1142675
Ban guns and drugs? In Chicago they are banned as it is. I can see that's working well for you. Stiffer penalties for using a gun to commit a crime instead of prohibiting legitimate owners their right to own guns is a better answer. Having the police work a little harder trying to find the bad guys wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Chicago is Chicago---land of troubled life and fear for one's life--the Mafia, gangs, high murder rate, high unemployment, and lowlifes; a long history of violence, the Untouchables, and Mayor Daley--crooks, all of them in the Political World there. Even Jesse Jackson Jr. is getting a Plea Deal to get off from being put in jail..
Nothing is going to change, not even with Obama selecting Chicago as a special City for Gun Control---to appease the parents of this wonderful young lady who died by the guns--
My condolences to the young woman's families. People have to change when wielding and firing off those guns---who pulls the trigger? Not the gun.
"Chicago, My Kind of Place", quote and song by Frank Sinatra. He wasn't wrong.
AHhhhhh luckymom............................guns are pretty much banned in Chicago, and in case ya haven't checked lately DRUGS are illegal there too!!! just saying......................................so I guess yer too late, and by the way it's painfully obvious the none of the laws are working!!!!!!!
OMG, are they actually trying to IMPLY that Michelle attending the funeral solved the case???
Liberals never cease to amaze!
"Chicago, My Kind of Town"; Frank Sinatra---correction. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N9SPvtZ6pE
You're wrong. We presently have only local laws and no federal regulation for the Obama administration to enforce.
And for many of you still living in the past, Chicago's ban on guns has been nonexistent for some time before this murder.
What kind of irritates me is that this would not be getting any press coverage except for the standard statistic crap if this girl had never attended a inaugeration. She'd have just been another bright girl with a good future, murdered.
@!$%#cago...............what a cesspool of liberal bull@!$%#!
Would you, will You turn those murderers in for $40,000? How about just to be a responsible citizen?
lilirocks
Sorry to inform you but Straw Buying is a FEDERAL CRIME! So is lying on the Form 4473. So yes we do have NATIONAL GUN LAWS.
Cheyelles
Criminals get their guns through various ways. Stolen weapons only account for the bottom 10-15% of weapons criminal use. Contrary to the popular myth, most weapons are stolen from legal gun owners, who are careless. Check the following link for information from ATF experts.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
The largest source is through straw man purchases. Where two people go into a store, one unable to buy the weapon selects his choice and the other who can, buys it. Another version is an underage person goes with an adult and the sale is made using the adults license and ID,for the minor.As has been mentioned, these are against Federal laws and regulations.But those who do so, usually know it already. Obviously, it isn't going to stop anyone determined to commit a crime to begin with.But making the punishment far tougher might help deter the newcomer in the business , maybe.
Next largest source is the licensed in-home and commercial corrupt dealers, who make a nice profit selling to those not allowed to own weapons. Followed by the illegal street dealers. Who get their supply of weapons from illegal transactions from gun dealers, straw men or stolen guns. They turn around and sell these on the street, in back alleys to anyone with the cash to pay.Obviously no legal and law abiding citizen is going to get their gun in this manner.But their stolen gun will show up here. Average turn about time between illegal weapon and found involved in a crime, is two years.
Finally, the criminal has access through family and friends. By sales, gifts or theft. Stealing a safe from someones home isn't going to stop the criminal from breaking it open and getting to the weapon.
Ultimately laws won't stop criminals from getting more guns. Determined law breakers will find a way while victims will still suffer at their hands.
Hopefully an award will help find the killer of this beautiful child. But how long that person who turns in the killer lives, will be another matter. Given the neighborhood, harsh living conditions and Chicago's know murder rates, they may need to move out of the area if they want to live to spend a dime. While other victims will continue to be shot, with the high likelihood no awards offered for their killers.
Unfortunately, that is a sizable if. I never totally trust authorities when they are pursuing a case such as this one, with the whole country watching, and the media and politicians expressing their outrage over the crime.
One hears of too many cases of evidence tampering and while I'd like to believe such instances represent the exception, not the rule, one never knows.
Let's hope the case is strong against these suspects, and that they get what they've got coming to them.
slodon
Sorry to inform you but that (Form 4473) only applies to licenced gun dealers...not "collectors" that are allowed into these gun shows. That is what is meant by closing the gun show loop hole. Making sure that all fire arms dealers are licenced and do the background checks as required by law. In some states gun shows only allow licenced dealers, while in others it is not required. Please make sure you do fact check before making blind statements.
slodon,
Do you jump on any comment without even reading what people are talking about?
Here it is again for you:
No, states have only local laws for this situation, there is no federal law.
@Windancersong-1494878
All the good points you're making are the reason why here in the U.S. we need to use our present technology to never lose track of any gun manufactured. Every buyer should be accountable for how that gun is used. Complaining about the high rates of crime and insanity will not solve the problem unless we do something.
Right now is about impossible to file the serial number and we can make it even more impossible for criminals to do that. Our crime networks need to work together so we know at least the last legal owner and where the gun went to. Failing to report it stolen or other illegal transaction should carry a tougher penalty and should be a federal law not a local one.
It is time for strict gun sale background checks and limits on the number of guns bought by an individual. People are buying guns legally and selling them to criminals. Ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines.
People are not buying guns legally and selling them to criminals. Criminals steal the guns they use, and they will still get any gun they want, regardless of stricter gun laws and tighter background checks. You are just paranoid and obviously don't know anything about guns yourself, because by the government's own definition, the rifles you are so afraid of are not 'assault weapons' in the first place. Don't let your own ignorance get in the way of understanding that the criminals themselves are the problem, not legal guns.
Really? If "gun enthusiasts" kept their weapons and ammunition securely stored in good quality gun safes, the number of stolen firearms would drop precipitously. Irresponsible and shamefully negligent gun owners need to share in the criminal and civil consequences of stolen guns that are then used to kill or injure innocent people. Liability insurance on all firearms as a condition of ownership should also be legislated to help defray the huge expense of gun violence in America. It is the right thing to do.
People buy multiple guns and sell them at a profit. You are wrong.
It is a crime to buy guns for the sole purpose of selling them at a profit, regardless of if it is to a prohibited possessor (though, its an additional crime if the sale itself is a violation of firearms law). It's called "dealing in firearms without a license", and its a federal law with stiff penalties.
I must ask though - without registration of all firearms, how could you enforce a new law about background checks for every future private purchase?
Criminals will always find ways to acquire guns. They will not register their guns and they will never buy them legally. Thank barack hussein for putting more guns on the streets in the shortest time in American history. Guns that used to sell for $300 are now selling for $1200 and more. So criminals are stealing more guns than ever so they can sell them illegally on the streets.
There you go again Sailcat, It's not the Indian, it's the Arrow! Law abiding gun owners should foot the bill for the stolen guns that commit the crime? Spoken like a true Liberal! Perhaps we should have a "rider policy" for the defense of the criminal that stole the gun as well? Grow up Sailcat,the Police are waving a forty grand reward for the name of Hadiya's shooter,no one came forward. You think this is some organized code of silence? The a$$hole that shot the young girl didn't even know he did it. Just some random BS shooting from a broken home POS! Start cleaning up Chicago by first getting Barack Obama involved the way he did with Sandy Hook. The way he should've when he was a community organizer,and prosecute all the aid and abetter's that cover for him down to the straw buyer of the weapon to fullest and leave the law abiding 2nd amendmenters the f^^k alone!
Prayers to the little girl and her family. I hope they find justice! I don't know about the Chicago underground gun trade. Out in the west it's rampant. Before the recent buying frenzy, I lived in the Las Vegas area. Three years ago I legally bought a semi-auto AR-15 carbine made by Bushmaster. I payed $1,400.00 for it. A few months later I was offered a full-auto AK-47 for $400.00. I turned in the "seller" to the police. He was out of jail that same day and knocking on my door with a MAC-10 in his hand. He ran when he saw me with my AR in one hand and the phone in the other, through the window. It took the police over an hour to get there! I will keep my guns to protect my family. It seems all the police do is clean up the mess. They don't stop crime anymore.
Sailcat-----You blame gun owners because some thief breaks into their house and steals their guns. In the next breath you want to force law abiding gun owners to carry liability insurance. How many criminals do you figure will carry liability insurance. You have it all backwards. You should concentrate on the criminals not law abiding people who own guns.
There are also weapons available on the black market. The black market might actually operate out of a store front now and then, but most of the business is conducted on street corners, back alleys, and in assorted back rooms and hidey holes.
Takenaka keeps repeating these lies over and over.
Sailcat--- I know a kid who died from an overdose of pills that were stolen from his friend's grandmother's house. Using your logic, Grandma should be charged in the death for failure to properly secure her painkillers.
Let the troops come home...and have them do to gangs what they did overseas to terrorists............
starsailing
Not a bad idea, but there would be outcries from parents who think their kids in gangs are good kids.
As to the general gun problem, there is no magic bullet (bad pun) here to solve the gun violence. Stricter laws may have some effect, but criminals don't follow the law. If law abiding gun owners put the strictest security precautions in place, criminals and gun traffickers will find other sources.
Responsible gun owners should already have security precautions in place, I do. But the mother in Connecticut did not.
Back to this story, there is no word yet on the weapon and its source, but my guess, given current information, is that it wasn't taken from Mom's gun collection, nor was it bought in a legal transaction. So all the laws in the world wouldn't have stopped this one, and the other 100's that occur in Chicago, where control control is extremely strong but not effective.
@Sailcat-numbers: Maybe if people took responsibility for their children and didn't allow them to grow up as thugs and thieves, there would be no reason to even lock the doors of our homes let alone gun safes. Something is wrong in America and it isn't totally guns. I do agree there need to be better gun laws and not just band aid measures like we have not or that have been proposed. But you won't see such laws because the people on both sides of the issue would oppose them. There also needs to be better mental health care for people as well as something done so people don't feel so desperate and helpless in life. How to fix all of this, I can honestly say I don't have the answers, but obviously, something has changed but at the same time there has always been crime.
guns dont kill people kill people and crimenol will not give up ther gun so turn in ypur gun ill keep my
While it is true that hardened criminals will always be able to get guns, kids like the Newtown and Columbine shooters wouldn't have a clue how to get an illegal gun.
Takenaka,
You like so many uninformed, ignorant narrow minded people, are an idiot. I like so many other 'intellegent" people own $10K + in guns of all kinds, I hunt, I target shoot, I wouldnt dream giving or seling any of them to anybody. You, and your libral moranic governmet will never have them, by any means, .....ever.
Sailcat-2064101-. (Irresponsible and shamefully negligent gun owners need to share in the criminal and civil consequences of stolen guns)
Criminals who get guns, do so various ways. We think of family members who don't have them locked up,like the shooter in Newtown, whose mother actually had hers securely in a safe, and home break-ins.But criminals who steal guns, only accounts for bottom 10-15%.
Most criminals get their weapons through straw men. People who can legitimately buy them for another person.Two people walk into a store, one barred from getting chooses the weapon, the other buys it.Another common scenario is one may be too young,but the adult pays for it.
Next are legally licensed but corrupt at-home or commercial dealers.Then there are the illegal unlicensed street dealers, who get guns from straw men,illegal gun dealer transactions and gun thefts, who turn around and selling them.
Finally an additional way criminals get guns is through family and friends. As sales, gifts or thefts.Safes don't prevent someone from walking off with them and breaking them open. So the idea that if legitimate gun owners would just keep their guns locked up safely, a huge amount of weapons would be kept off the streets, is simply false.The following link is an eye opener.
Criminals who get guns, do so various ways. We think of family members who don't have them locked up,like the shooter in Newtonw, whose mother actually had hers securely in a safe, and home break ins. Criminals who steal guns, only account for bottom 10-15%.But this is a popular misconception.
Most criminals get their weapons through straw men. People who can legitimately buy them for another person.Two people walk into a store, one barred from getting chooses the weapon, the other buys it.Another common scenario is one may be too young,but the adult pays for it.
Next are legally licensed but corrupt at-home or commercial dealers.Then there are the illegal unlicensed street dealers, who get guns from straw men,illegal gun dealer transactions and gun thefts, who turn around and selling them.
Finally an additional way criminals get guns is through family and friends. As sales, gifts or thefts.Safes don't prevent someone from walking off with them and breaking them open. So the idea that if legitamate gun owners would just keep their guns locked up safely, a huge amount of weapons would be kept off the streets, is simply false.The following link is an eye opener.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
I haven't even gone into those bought on the Internet, or smuggled across the border, like Fast and Furious,mixed in with the drug trade. When you have huge amounts of cash assets, weapons bought outside this country, they can help foster drug wars and make their way here.
The reward fund might help in finding the killer of one beautiful teenager struck down. If someone does come forward, they might have to watch their back real careful. Considering the neighborhood and the hardships of living day to day, they might not live to spend a dime of it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
I haven't even gone into those bought on the Internet, or smuggled across the border, like Fast and Furious,mixed in with the drug trade. When you have huge amounts of cash assets, weapons bought outside this country, they can help foster drug wars and make their way here.
The reward fund might help in finding the killer of one beautiful teenager struck down. If someone does come forward, they might have to watch their back real careful. Considering the neighborhood and the hardships of living day to day, they might not live to spend a dime of it.Once word got out who snitched.
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takenaka...Look at Chicago on a map. It is bordered by the states of Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, Iowa, and Wisconsin. Michigan is not far if you consider a shared border by water. If you consider Interstate Highway 80, which runs west to east from San Francisco to Washington D.C., with Chicago at its center, and other highway, and train links, a huge amount of territory can link Chicago to firearms, just as it can link it to illegal drugs. So what is your proposal to block illegal trafficking?
Let's assume that you are the Governor of Illinois. The first thing you must accomplish is to convince 5 bordering governors that you need oversight in the highway links of commerce and other traffic coming to Chicago from their states. Is that likely to happen? Alcohol, if you remember Prohibition, was transported by water from Canada into Chicago. You can get around travel on the interstate highways in bordering states, and enter into Illinois on roads other than the Interstate. So even if you are the Governor of Illinois, you will fail in this attempt.
Now you have to think of other strategy. Another thing to ponder is gun smuggling has to be profitable. That means volume. Volume requires "warehousing". Warehousing and distribution gets you into the realms of organized crime and political corruption, something that you as governor can mitigate within the boarders of your own state, with the support of the people who elected you to your position. However, Chicago and Illinois government has a long history of political corruption, with numerous figures of high office serving jail time. So one of your alternatives to control the governors of other states, is to clean up the political corruption in your own state. Look at Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. He served for 17 years. Did youth violence with guns drop? Did the rate of High School Diploma's increase as a percent of the population. Did he retire from office without difficulty from federal investigators as a highly respected leader? Did Blago? Where did all the federal monies go from this 17 years of serving as a Congressional Representative? Did they fire all the people who authored these failed youth programs?
sorry folks for the double post!
Theo: maybe those kids wouldn't have a clue, but the basic problem was that the INTENT was there, they just picked up a tool. Maybe parents should be more involved. I am, and my kids and I talk about everything. Since I have 2 daughters, birth control was discussed in our house from the time that I felt they were old enough to understand what I was telling them (and way WAY before they ever became sexually active). We were just talking about some issue the other day, and I asked WHY hadn't someone intervened before the result (an NO, I DON"T remember the issue of the conversation), and both of them (now 25 and 27) said "because, MOM, not everybody is as open about things as our family is".
Criminals will ALWAYS get guns, knives, clubs, machete's, whatever. One can look up how to make a bomb online! We should stop trying to mainstream the SEVERELY mentally ill or impaired, and treat their needs as they need! But do NOT try to change our Constitutional rights.
I hope they find the POS's, she was a beautiful young girl who deserved to live. Too bad that our socialist POTUS and his wife will now use this to push his agenda to change our rights as law abiding US citizens.
I don't pretend to know how to fix the gun problem. I do know that I should not have my rights taken away for the crimes that someone else committed! Close the loopholes. Improve the background checks. Institute some form of mental health checks. I'm fine with that. Don't compromise the safety of my family by making sure that the bad guys have the best firepower!
For you that are still yelling about banning weapons have missed why our founding fathers gave us this right. They did not give us this right for hunting or self defense, Washington said it best when he stated that every home should not only be well armed but that everyone should have ammunition well stocked to keep the government in check. (Google it, it is out there for all to see). If you look at tyranny over the past hundred of years you will see as the government grows bigger the first thing they go after is the personnel weapons, or the means of the people to keep governments in check. Am I advocating civil unrest or war, of course not I love and put my life on the line for many years in the military for this country of mine. But what I am saying is that we are built on respecting individual freedom, the pursuit of happiness and for all to be protected from the very ones who rule over them, that is why it is called 'rule of law'. But as in all things if the ones in power have nothing standing between them and tyranny then what is to prevent them from going over that threshold.
Do not think it is possible? In the last four years through presidential executive order we have found that Americans can be killed overseas by this government without any due process. Under another executive order it is now illegal to protest the president in his presence, if you do so your freedom of speech is taken away by executive order H.R. 347. By another order the government now has the right to seize all goods in the name of national security, so they can empty you of fuel, food and whatever they deem necessary under National Defense Resources Preparedness.
I could go on and fill pages of this, but as we can see we have went from bad to worse, and have any of us heard of this on the news? It is now coming to light that the government has a kill list of Americans overseas that it is targeting without court or congressional oversight for death. Where does it stop, when all our rights are taken away. So what do we do, we start electing people in that will protect our rights and not give out free things. We demand a halt of executive power that has only ever been given out in war time, and to have it pulled back again. We need to start demanding that our rights are handed back to us, if we give them away because we are afraid then the ones frightening us have won. And lets stop this pettiness that is going around, start term limits for both houses so we can clean out the dead wood and bring people that are more interest in "We The People", then in filling their pocketbooks. And we need to demand that congress get held to the same standards that we are expected to share or they will be gone next election.
Yeah, maybe do something like, I don't know, make murder against the law? That might stop all the violence, huh?
I'm sure that this will not go over well, but here it goes. Throughout recorded history, there has been violence. In the name of freedom, religion, politics, natural resources ect. Anything worth having there has been violence because of it. Violence is a way of life. We can try to figure out a way to stop it. Just like every culture throughout history. All we have left is to try to figure out a way to keep our own country secure. All this partisan bickering is doing nothing more that tearing us further apart. Democrats, republicans, independents, tea party, whats the difference? History has shown us, over and over again, that every dynasty will fall. It will happen to us too. All we can do is try to prolong the enevitable. In todays American society, we are causing it to happen faster!
@Tbenton
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.' -- George Carlin, "Back in Town", 1996.
Stupid fukkin @!$%#s always foul things up for honest citizens. Obama is # 1.
I agree, Obama is #1. A great president.
This is Sailcat-2064101 opinion about the second amendment after proving facts about what the Forefather intent for the 2nd was"
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/31/16791677-texas-assistant-da-shot-to-death-at-least-one-gunman-sought?threadId=3657131&commentId=73861989#c73861989
#1.87
So as you see, he is one of the liberals that like to try to reinterpret the Constitution to their way of thinking verses the true intent of the Constitution.
Ignore him..........
The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to allow the people the ability to fight by against a tyrannical government.
A. The Federalist Papers, No. 28: Alexander Hamilton expressed that when a government betrays the people by amassing too much power and becoming tyrannical, the people have no choice but to exercise their original right of self-defense — to fight the government.[Halbrook, p. 67]
B. The Federalist Papers, No. 29: Alexander Hamilton explained that an armed citizenry was the best and only real defense against a standing army becoming large and oppressive. [Halbrook, p. 67]
C. The Federalist Papers, No. 46: James Madison contended that ultimate authority resides in the people, and that if the federal government got too powerful and overstepped its authority, then the people would develop plans of resistance and resort to arms. [Halbrook, p. 67]
D. There was no National Guard, and the Founders opposed anything but a very small national military. The phrase “well-regulated” means well-trained and disciplined — not “regulated” as we understand that term in the modern sense of bureaucratic regulation. [This meaning still can be found in the unabridged Oxford English Dictionary, 2d ed. 1989, Vol 13, p. 524, and Vol 20. p. 138.]
E. The Federalists promised that state governments and citizen militias would exist to make sure the federal military never became large or oppressive. To say that the National Guard replaces the notion of the militia runs contrary to what the Founders said and wrote.
F. The Third Amendment: Expressly restrains the federal government from building a standing army and infiltrating it among the people ...and at the people’s expense ... in times of peace. The Third Amendment runs against the idea of a permanent standing army or federalized National Guard in principle, if not by its words.
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CHALLENGE TO AMERICANS
As you read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights:
And then consider that law students and future lawyers likewise have received precious little education about the Second Amendment.
Realize, too, that the judges know just about as little. Then imagine how little the average American knows — based on the average public school coverage of the Constitution.
The protection of our sacred right of self-defense against both petty criminals and oppressive government — the right of civilians to keep and bear arms — is in your hands.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/six-about-2nd.htm
Let's see...comes running out of an alley and shoots as he runs past then jumps into a car.
Sounds like a standard gang initiation. So, the ones their questioning should be around 13-14 years old.
You ares "spot on" except for the age bracket. Gang mentality runs into the thirties and beyond. But I agree it is mostly teenagers.
This violence in Chicago would stop if they had a competent community organizer.
Nyce one, Dr. Zheng! They DID and I do get the irony...
Wonder what would happen if all the shootings in Chicago got this much attention......
I agree with you, Athyna.
I doubt the perps will ever be caught.
If they did, the newspapers would be thicker than the phone booki.
I agree. Although this death is a tragedy, what about the thousands of innocent children and others that have been shot and killed before. Chicago doesn't all-of-a-sudden have a gun problem because gun control is a hot topic. There have been hundred of shootings in Chicago, and in the Chicago area, for decades. I'm quite sure the mayor didn't call all the parents of the innocent by-standers who were shot and killed. The next parent who is so unfortunate to have the same thing happen to them should demand the same attention.
It's my guess that this death, which is little if any different from the others like it, is just being used for political purposes. Nice Obama . . .
How many parents lose a child to gang related violence? Why is this tragedy getting so much press over all the others? Because she was part of the Obama inauguration ceremony. Obama has no problem using tragedies such as this to further his agenda. Why is Obama going to Chicago to talk about gun control? His proposed legislation is less strict than what Chicago already has in place.
obama would pemp any tragedy to advance his agenda.
John granger...
Yep, if this girl hadn't sung at the inaugeral, she would be nothing more than another page 6 story in chicago land. Wasn't it rahm who once said "never let an opportunity pass by...:
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Regardless of politics, I am wondering what it would be like if every murder received this kind of attention and similarly, what if every 'fugitive' had a million dollar bounty of their head like that Dorner fellow? Think, what would happen to crime in general?
I sure hope they can find and euthanize this street scum that has caused the grief and sadness and has no guilt or feelings for anyone other than his own pathetic ass.
quote: Mayor Rahm Emanuel called the teens mother Cleopatra Pendleton this morning to tell her the news, sources told NBC Chicago.
Was her name not 'Cleopatra'?
Mayor Rahm Emanuel called the teen's mother, Cleopatra Pendleton, this morning to tell her the news, sources told NBC Chicago.
Punctuation Matters, even in America.
MSNBC probably outsources their article writing to some other country.
Although I'm a college grad, I'm certainly no professor or English major. Yet, I find one to three spelling and/or punctuation errors in every MSN article I read. Pathetic writers and editors!
ZfromAZ
They also outsource their reporting and investigations.
It is so sad that our youth die. This problem of violence needs to be solved.
It is amazing that the Chicago police can make progress on this in short time. Perhaps they need to get involved with Benghazi. It is unforgivable that Americans have died in Benghazi and the White House has turned it into political sport and that is has taken this long to figure out what happened.
Chicago. We tax and kill well. Lotsa democrats. Come on in the water's fine.
Or,,,Come on in the WELFARE is fine.
Hope they got the real culprit/s. But they did not charge them, so maybe they think they'll lead them to the real culprit.
It ain't the guns doing the killing in Chicago!!! It's young Black gang-bangers!!! Pike County Illinois has one of the highest per capita gun ownership rates in the USA, No gun killing down there!"Southern Illinois" Wonder why that is?? Chicago is an overflowing sewer and "Murder Capitol of the U S" That's they way they like it or Gov. Quinn and the Democrats that turn a blind eye to the drug dealing and gang activity that fuels this kind of behavior in exchange for voting Democrat!! Would have cleaned it up a long time ago! As long as this is Black on Black murder who cares?? Ain't that right Rahm? Chicago is a third the population of NYC and has 3 times the homicides! Look for 700+ murders in 2013!!
"That's the Chicago way"
Poor Greg, you will always find a way to spew undercover racist remarks at the point of sounding senseless. I see through people like you quite easily. First, I don't know of one gang banger who votes. I can see it now "The Crips just endorsed Mitt Romney". Give me a break. Secondly, young Hispanics and Whites are doing quite a bit of killing on the streets of Chi-town as well but I digress to make a stronger point. Let me state this fact and make no mistake about it. Drugs and violence are a pandemic plaguing every major city in the US. It's a strategic purposeful thing that's being aloud to happen. It won't or doesn't get a blinding spotlight until it spills into white America and/or a precious sole such as Hadiya is taken. I can't count how many times I've read about 30+ people being shot or killed in a single weekend in Chicago this past year alone. MULTIPLE 30+ SHOOTINGS IN A WEEKEND!! That's cause for some national guard type action. But law abiding-tax paying citizens have gotten no relief. The mayor and superintendent should hide their face in shame. It's clearly a war going on and you want to take the guns away from good people exactly during the time when the police aren't protecting us. REALLY!! Criminals don't give a damn about stricter gun laws. THEY ARE CRIMINALS!! The police are not protecting the citizens so it's up to you to protect your own family. Educate yourself on how to properly handle a weapon and arm yourself so that the playing field is even if not more in your favor because you know how to properly use a firearm. I say this infatically. Law abiding people are not mistakenly shooting innocent children or allowing under age family members and kids to handle firearms. Please don't allow the very people who are supposed to be protecting us and are doing a piss poor job take your inalienble right from you also.
12% of the population doing 82% of the killing, What's racist about that? The Chicago media is not even reporting the race of shooters just like last summer when gangs of so-called flash mobs were running wild on North Michigan Ave. You will never see the Illinois National Guard in the south and west sides of Chicago, Rahm has Gerry McCarthy Police Superintendent who is even more incompetent than the mayor, Friday McCarthy said "We are pretty sure these shootings are gang related" What a genius! Like I've said before, Chicago has been run for the last 60 years by Democrats who bow down to the likes of Jesse Jackson and the other "Revruns" It's time to let the Police be the police and clean up the mess! If they shoot too many non whites that will start a "Racist" response from the offend race. The Police arrest these thugs and Gov. Pat Quinn closes prisons and lets criminals out early. I agree with you on the get a gun legally and learn to use it, Shoot to kill ! When seconds count the police are only minutes away!You don't need a $2000.00 AR 15 buy a $200.00 12ga pump shotgun w slugs! I reread you comments and don't understand where I said ANYTHING about taking guns from law abiding citizens. Cheers!
isnt it funny when these kids get killed there always the best kid you ever saw
Yes, and the killer would never do something like that; he was always helping others and never missed church, and the police are out to get him because they don't like poor people.
Why isn't the government moving this fast on the murders of the 4 Americans in Benghazi? Could it be that barack hussein is responsible for their murders and the government is involved in covering it up? If this would have been another black on white murder in Chicago, nothing would be happening this fast.
The 4 killed in Benghazi were white.
That @!$%# for brains went to bed while the shooting was going on.
I read that they have people in custody in Benghazi. You do know that America does not have control in another country, don't you?
Also, even when wars are going on - all presidents do sleep - u2mac. Why is it that this president shouldn't sleep? Why do you tear this particular president apart for normal behavior? Why do you expect this president to be in control of every detail of wars and American life? No other president can be in control of everything happening in this country and around the world. But, for some reason, everything this president does or doesn't do, is up for your constant denigration.
Pretty weird! It is no wonder that many of us feel there is a racial problem in regard to the constant denigration of this president, in particular. I am sure you also blame Obama for your hang-nails, your relationship problems, etc.
Obama is black, the frightened dullards like u2mac have been in a permanent state of hysteria.
To All People and Tetrapoda: I don't think of our President as black or white, Hawaian or Hispanic. This President is a SOCIALIST, pure and simple. Remember the late great United Peoples Socialist Russia? How great THAT turned out, no? Just like here, those in power had money and nice things and the 'workers' went without. Are either of You an Aristo, BTW? Guillotine? Anyone ever remember history? For those who dont REMEMBER history are doomed to REPEAT it! And before anyone gets on a high horse, just think about what I'm saying. I'm threatening no one, just asking everyone to look at the past to see into our future!
Whether or not he said it, a quote attributed to Karl Marx seems relevant in the Marxist Academia-Hollywood-NYC Media full court press of the last 50 years:
"If you can cut the people off from their history, they can be easily persuaded..."
Especially if you can get the gullible young to HATE the Founders. Read Kent Clizbe's "Willing Accomplices" [Ashburn, VA: ANDEMCA Press, 2011], an ex-CIA expert's perspective on the espionage origins of Political Correctness. It definitely explains the last 50 years in NYC.
I understand that it is standard fare for righties on this site to call Obama a socialist . You are entitled to your opinions, just not your own facts. He may be to far left for your far right agenda but to say he is a socialist and claim some vauge historical proof is ignorant. Just because Rush Limaugh says it does not make it fact,
Honestly, do you know what socialism is other than you think it is bad? If you truly understood socialism you would need to find another reason to attack the president.
And what does all that have to do with the tragic death of a teenager in Chicago? I read on the story about the near miss comet the usual righties somehow tying it to their hatred of the president, Give it a rest.
When Bush was in office the Dems had a field day blaming him for everything they disagreed with; now with Obama in office, they play the race card if anyone disagrees with Obama.
Welcome to the New Generation.. Their motto is "No Fear" and "No Respect"..
add no shame either
This isn't new.
Rahm Emanuel in my opinion isn't worth the salt in his disgusting body.
As opposed to some fine young cannibal like you?!
Didn't FYC win some GRAMMYs?? If it's entertainment, "It's all good..."
Tetrapoda
grrr. I detest dual citizens of this country and israel that ride the fence and spew hate and rhetoric. He is evil and if you look him in the eye you to will see the shining disgust in his soul for decent humanity.
Rahm's dad was a TERRORIST. Rahm was an Intel Officer in the IDF. Loyalties??
I fully support Israel and the Jews. I'm not so cool with slick MARXISTS who hide in our midst (Academia, Hollywood, NYC Media) and STEAL OUR COUNTRY from under our noses, WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS...
The obamas are going to be busy attending all those funerals of young black kids who are shot dead.
They'll only attend or pay any notice to any other deaths as long as it's politically expedient. There have been killings like this in Chicago, and elsewhere, for years. Gun control is a hot topic now, so Obama has jumped on the bandwagon. It makes it look like he's actually doing something-- which he's not. I find it disugsting that he has been using the deaths of children and other innocents for political purposes. L
I wonder how the parents of the other teens killed in gang violence feel about the special treatment given to this young lady by the Obamas? Their pain is no less. I wonder if the mother of this young lady realizes the Obamas and MSN are using her?
They need to make an arrest for the News media. It does not have to be the guilty Party they can always release them later but for the Cameras they need to do something soon. Meanwhile another 600 will die this year or maybe more.
They need the arrest for the state of union address Tues night. Also to say that big butt Michelle was there for the service, I'm surprized that 50 didn't confess to get to meet her.
Mayor Rahm Emanuel and his police gooneys probably could not find their a** in a lighted room let alone any would be killers. He called her mother to tell her what "That they are questioning a couple of people about the murder or shooting?" This couple they are questioning probably are not the shooters but will end up being the scapgoats.
John
They will arrest and convict anyone now that hussein and his racist wife are involved.
Like I told you, the frightened dullards like u2mac are in a state. Racist black people! They want to get me! He's a socialistfascistmooslim!
Tetrapoda, he IS a socialist, he is DIVISIVE, and as far as I know, he attended The Chuch of Christ! I don't give a rat's hind end about his skin color, YOU'RE the one that keeps harping on that. Wonder why...
So, "four-footed one," who do YOU hate more, those you call HATERS or those actually trying to destroy America from within?
Chicago has probably spent more money on this investigation than the last 20 murders combined.
The Chicago way is to remove the guns from the Law abiding Citizens so they cannot defend themselves and this way the criminals will not get hurt. That alone will cut down on gun Violence. If you are a criminal this will be the safest place to live without getting shot
Very sad but only to true
U.K. and Australia criminal free zone that's why they have 100% higher assault and rape rates.
If the killer is under 18 he will get a free pass, compliments of the wonderful supreme court.
Is Rahm and Michele setting a new standard, to attend all the funerals in Chicago of young people gunned down? Does Rahm already call all the grieving parents to tell them of the capture of a suspect(s)? Michele better get her airplane fueled and ready if last year was any indication of what the numbers will be this year. Hey Barrack, how's that Bengazi attack doing for you? Great cover-up so you could win the election.Barrack has that "shady you-tube film maker" all locked up. Great job sir, cover-up well done!!!!!
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Maybe, with any luck, the forensic evidence will show some links to the suspects and they will be prosecuted.
Ah WTF! Arrested for what then?
Silly question! Ans= a photo-0p and a news headline to placate the Obama worshipers and make the
Sheriff of KnottinghamMayor look good to the peasants.That is funny.
A Real Solution to Fixing the Problems most prevalent within Communities where the residents are Predominantly of African Descent
Solution: Imprisonment, which is based on the very form of Capture, Torture, and Detainment used during Chattel Slavery, needs to be phased out in this country and replaced with Educational Facilities that promote self-worth/confidence; cognitive thought; and Proper Distribution of Human Energy
Solution: Develop a Public Black Run and Managed new standard accelerated Education System that mirrors the University Quarter System; and promotes/rewards academic achievement, Confidence and Capability among Young Black Men and Women. Provide a Curriculum in the Predominantly Black Inner City that begins teaching students from age one, that they will achieve great things through education. Focus on centralizing and making important the Parent-Student-Teacher-Institution relationship.
Solution: The political, social, and Municipal infrastructure of the cities needs decentralized like all the Upscale predominantly white neighborhoods who have Gates, Personal Security, and Solve their own issues, unless an unknown person enters the area. However, if cities are meant to be centralized, Each Ethnic community should be allowed its own Police force to protect it from Harm by another, (as is permitted by the 2nd Amendment, "The right to maintain a well trained and regulated Militia"); It's own Court consisting of selected Judge Panels, to balance and Interpret its applicable laws and legislation set forth by its own Political Representatives, to help fairly legislate its particular agenda, laws and limitations in a Cooperative non-corrupt manner.
These are just my personal views not meant to offend, disrespect, or antagonize anyone, but segregation and Separate but Equal Facilities,despite being made "unconstitutional" are still very much prevalent in any city with more than one Ethnic Group. True enough, people live in various communities, but for the most part, neighborhoods are typically divided by Ethnicity. So to better serve these communities, particularly the community of those who are of African Descent, deserve to have true equality, not just something on paper that does not benefit much much more than 10% of the people who identify them selves as member of that community.
Here is away to solve the problems in Chicago. Raise the Taxes so all the working people move out and let who is left shoot it out. Problem solved. Mound over the city and start fresh with new leaders will also help
You are right!! That is how Detroit lowered the murder rate!!!! Taxed the working man out of town and a lot of the welfare trash moved to Chicago, NO ONE left to kill! Illinois is a very generous welfare State and it's a short drive to Wisconsin and Indiana both welfare mecca's Ask Sen. Dick Durbin if you need welfare or any other FREE Gov. program, Extra points if your an illegal, Oops! I mean undocumented !! ALSO FREE Drivers Licenses for illegals!!
40.000 dollar reward,, YOU should have every scum drug addict in this city going after the scum. OH sorry that's this whole city. Then you got these Idiots like O-Abomination calling this gun violence. Forget that it's gang violence, cities full of scum violence, murderers and every other criminal. It's not gang violence, IT'S GUN VIOLENCE so these idiots with rocks for brains can further their attacks on the constitution. The problem here is they attack the constitution today more than they attack the real issues here. It's criminal violence> Lets call it what it is you bunch of idiots, gang and scum city violence, probably drug related violence. Yet lets blame the gun just like you would blame the rock if I hit someone in the head with it, bunch of stupid rocks. So if I go out and start killing people, my defence can be,, the gun has a brain it's the gun not me. It's called gun violence, not my fault .f-n idiots with rocks for brains..yea now you can blame the rocks