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A man opened fire at a Delaware courthouse on Monday, killing two women and wounding two others before he was fatally shot, officials said.
The shooting occurred at around 8 a.m. ET at the New Castle County Courthouse in Wilmington, Del., when the gunman was stopped by Capitol Police at a security checkpoint inside the main lobby, Mayor Dennis Williams told NBC10 in Philadelphia. The court was not yet open.
Delaware State Police Sgt. Paul Shavack said that the two people wounded were Capitol Police officers. They were transported to Christiana Hospital in Newark, Del., with non-life threatening injuries.
Shavack said the suspect exchanged gunfire with officers in the lobby. It was not immediately known whether the suspect was killed by police or died of a self-inflicted wound.
Police said they have preliminary identification of the gunman, who was in his late 20s to early 30s, but would not yet release that information.
Shavack said investigators and search teams were canvassing the 12-story courthouse building as a precaution to protect those still inside, but they believed the area was secure.
“We believe that this is a lone gunman but we continue to operate under procedure,” Shavack told reporters outside the courthouse Monday.
Defense attorney Brian Chapman told NBCPhiladelphia.com that the building’s security personnel make it very hard to breach security.
"There are at least four or five rows of metal detectors when you go in, you put your belongings through, then you have to walk through the metal detectors,” Chapman said. “Then there are usually eight to 10 police with wands checking everyone and after that you still have to walk by a desk where capitol police sit."
Dozens of police cars, ambulances and fire trucks were on the scene, and the streets were cordoned off for several blocks around the courthouse, DelawareOnline.com reported.
Five elementary schools and one high school in the area were on lockdown Monday morning.
This is a breaking news story. Check back for updates.
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Oh boy. Another gun story rushed out without a lot of information.
GM JW
Information or facts are unimportant when an article contains the word's "gun" or "shot" you know that.
And which one or ones were lawyers?
Just alike any other story....earthquake, etc. Quick news blurb about what is known. Not just gun stories...all stories. It is called news my friend.
Once again, another nut job to mess it up for the rest.
GM Scooter.
Whatya you guys mean there isn't a lot of information?!
What about "THIS"?!...........................
Lots and lots of useful information.....
This is like all of the "breaking news" stories that we all seem to demand in this age of 24/7 media, then sit here and complain because we don't have all of the details before the news breaks. Have you forgotten that, before the internet, we had the same thing with both radio and TV, where they would interrupt programs to bring the breaking news? And most of the stories posted on this website, like all news websites, come directly from those live coverages by NBC (or the website related TV stations in the case of CNN, ABC, FOX, CBS,etc.) affiliate TV stations.
GM CD
Yep they did put that in, first rate reporting alright, put this guy in for a Pulitzer.
maybe this story should be about how bad their security is. sounds like an inside job!
Anti
How true but those who "demand" such are the same ones who trusted the media to use common sense before "going to print".....silly people...
. ok you got your post in, now go back and read past the headline.
Maybe we should go back to the days where news was only spread via newspapers. Then you can find out about something a couple days later when you have all the info. Can't win. Want to know what's going on, then complain when they don't have all the details. It's called breaking news for a reason. Don't like it, get off internet news sites or TV and stick to reading the paper.
IA: Apparently those people never looked at the corrections section of the newpaper everyweek. Also going to print is a far stricter process considering a bad print costs a large sum but having a typo or filling in more information later on a website costs next to nothing.
Im thinking Hollow logs and sticks myself....but bet they would louse that up as well, after all how does one drum in liberal-eze?
It does seem like there is another gun related stories every day. When before the Newtown shooting there weren't many, even though they were still happening.
scooter....... i did read it maybe you should again!
Updated: http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130211/NEWS01/302110044/2-killed-3-wounded-NCCo-Courthouse-shooter-also-dead?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|Home&nclick_check=1
I am a 2 minute walk from the courthouse in question. The victim of the shooting is the shooters wife. She was killed by the shooter. She was accompanied by a friend who was also shot and apparently killed. The security team in question is Capital Police, a 3rd party police unit that works security for a lot of buildings around this area. The shooter is dead.
Thank you "T in Wilmington". I appreciate that you have taken the time to fill in some of the blanks.
@f hill - there IS security at the courthouse. This was committed BEFORE the security checkpoint. It is in the courthouse building but before you get to the administrative offices and court rooms, just like TSA is before the airport gates. I guess you could move the security checkpoint outside, but then the shooter would have done the same thing, but outside and not in the lobby.
gm Scooter, CD..
Another Monday of tragic loss of life by jerks who couldn't just off themselves and leave everyone else alone.
My Native American friends and I tried going back to smoke signals but when it rained we kept sending each other pizzas and fry bread instead of relaying news stories... the diets made us all cranky as hell...
that's how we messed up things in the beginning, you know.. the ancestors sent a signal saying "the white eyes are invading" and it was a foggy day, it was read as saying "the white eyes are invited" so the relatives inited them to a Thanksgiving feast and the rest is history...
Mom kept telling Dad, "I TOLD you not to bring them home for dinner..."
Good job "T" thank you
GM scremin,
Good job, I loved it.
Would the story have been any less of a story if the article headline had read "3 People Hurt in Court House" ? It doesn't actually say if any of the 3 people shot are victims or if one is the perpetrator which would be a good thing if someone was able to stop him with a bullet before he killed someone.
This was a domestic dispute that just happened to take place in public. The victim was the shooters wife, she was appearing for a hearing today, he showed up and shot her.
At the Wilmington courthouse you have this one small area you walk in to before you are permitted into the actual building. It's not exactly a lobby, it is more of an entryway. It is about the size of a small house and completely open. There is only one way into the building from there, and that is through the security checkpoint where you are not even permitted to bring coffee in from. No cell phones, no iPods, no nothing. Just ID, cash, keys, etc.
Miss the whole 'breaking news' part in your rush to come whine about another gun story? Shall I bust out my crystal ball and prognosticate you some more info?
Sad, sad ,sad. Just wish these "news" stories would stick to the news and leave analysis and eidtorial out of it. This has nothing to do with guns, it has to do with the state of our society. If I want to know what the author of the article thinks, I'll read freakin' Psychology Today.
Love it, sounds much better then "junior grade paper shuffler"
another one drank the kool aid!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And even that was apparently wrong......
Another example of a "RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER" expressing his second amendments rights to shoot and kill anyone he wants BEFORE anything is done. Wonderful life member of the NRA probably with an intense hatred built by years of listening Fox News race baiter's spout lies of a black "foreigner" that stole the presidency from wonderful republicrap teabaggers. CAN ANYONE REALIZE THE EPIDEMIC OF MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS WE FACE TODAY? We used to have honesty, integrity, respect, and even LOVE in our hearts, NOW WE HAVE LIES, DISTRUST, SELFISHNESS, AND GREED AS THE WAY WE REACT TO LIFE. It is not "RELIGION" that gives people the honesty to live our lives IT IS THE REALIZATION OF HOW WE WANT TO BE ACCEPTED that makes us honest. It is because of the "wonderful wisdom" of the Supreme Court that lies today are accepted as truth, AND LAW, by politicians and our corporate "leaders". THIS IS NOT RIGHT AND MUST CHANGE. I am no tea bagger and far from a republicrap, but I know what is right and wrong, AND MY X PRIEST DID NOT HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH. I use my common sense and compassion,EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD ALSO!!!!!!!!!
Wow, the Progressive media is really out in force in support of Mr. Obama's "War on guns".
How many articles are in the headlines today concerning this issue ? It is not the guns, it is the folks who pick them up and use them.
Wait a minute.....Mrs. Pelosi was on the Chris Wallace show yesterday and said that Mr. Obama was not going after THE FIRST AMENDMENT. Time for Mrs. Pelosi to go back to school and learn our Constitution.
This is the same person Mr. Obama predicted would become Speaker of the House AGAIN and the same person who said "We have to pass it (ObamaCare) to find out what is in in.".
No wonder folks have trouble talking to Progressives.
Where is the story about the 9 people shooting deaths in Chicago over the weekend. Oh, yes, it happens so often it's not news? We must concentrate on every other shooting so Obama can grab the guns of law abiding citizens. Guess what liberal dingbat media, check out the facts of what countries have the most gun ownership among its citizens and which have the highest gun deaths each year. USA is 25 in deaths, but Number 1 in gun ownership even with the gangs killing each other almost every day. GET over it, we are not giving up our guns and when one of you liberal so called journalists gets hurt by a criminal with an illegal gun maybe you'll with you had a conealed carry.
i find it amazing that they have 8-10 police on hand for security , yet cant spare 1 armed officer for schools security & protecting children. Oh wait , they are seeking to pass gun laws to protect them .........
You folks in the blue states really need to get a handle on this gun issue. It's an epidemic.
another point of domestic violence maybe we should take away the weapons of anyone going through a divorce until they have both have been through anger management classes
We can preternd that guns don't kill people, but I doubt this would have happened with a baseball bat
Maybe people do kill people, it's just that they prefer to use guns since it's so easy.
anti-trust proponent
This is like all of the "breaking news" stories that we all seem to demand in this age of 24/7 media
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no it's not.... it's akin to breaking a national news story because somebody died from being hit by a car somewhere....
prior to this recent gun debate... shootings, like car accidents, deaths in hospitals from malpractice and a bunch of other common modes of death were never reported on because they aren't normally national news as they are so common
National news is breaking these stories now because of the drama around the issue and the desire to push ad sales and to push an agenda... not because it's truly national news....
and THAT is the problem... Americans should be informed by an unbiased Press so that we can make our own decisions... not be scammed by agendas into agreeing with the powers that be.... I want to make up my mind based on facts, not cherry picking and tearjerking
Heard this on the TV news. Ex-husband killed Ex-wife and the police killed him. There was one other person killed who was not identified on the TV news. There was a child support hearing scheduled, so this killing was a pissed off ex husband not happy with his situation.
Updated?
How about ....."replaced"....... as its a totally different article now.
another nut case on a shooting spree; only a nut would attempt to bring a gun into a courthouse, metal detectors, armed guards, video cameras everywhere; his wife was probably in the process of divorcing him; so he decides to kill her and her witness, knowing he will be killed or captured in the process, i would like to know the ethnic background of the shooter.
All the news agencies got together and said it wouldn't be good to give ethnic backgrounds on stories anymore. It would make people racially biased to know 80% of the crimes were being committed by blacks.
it was an assault rifle that caused this.......mental illness was not involved at all
Just goes to prove that if this would have happened in a school class room with an armed police guard that only 4 kids would be shot before the guard returned fire, unless the guard was the first one shot...
Ban Courts!!
"Until death due us part". Sounds like "death by cop" was better then suicide to him. Why else pick that place to kill her? He could have killed her anywhere or anytime, with a knife, bat, hammer, car, etc. with ease, but then would have had to face the trial, media, BS, etc. that goes along with still being alive.
/begin rant
Funny how many women "believe" in marriage (since it gives them a warm fuzzy feeling that "everything will be ok"), say those words, and the rest of the BS that goes along with it, but do not actually mean a damn bit of it. According to the book that "defines" marriage women are supposed to listen, respect, follow their male partners, but that sure as f*** does not happen these days either. Why get married in the first place if it is all one big lie and you do not believe in a single word you are saying? The money maybe?
How do you "trust" anything most women say since they would rather be lied to then to be told the truth? They get butt hurt when someone speaks the truth, does not sugarcoat everything (make it sound and look pretty), and does not walk on eggshells all day long.
/end rant
Com-on NBC Opinionaters, tell the REST OF THE STORY....,mainly about GANGS and their use of ILLEGAL GUNS.
Here are a few links to get a NBC Opionater on the right track:
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You know this is probably just rumor and not true, It was a "Gun Free Zone" and no bad guy would ever disopey the law would they?
Ray,
Just think, if they could just hurry up and make those gun laws even harsher, you know as well as I do, this would have never happened to begin with.....
Yeah, it could have "ALLLL" been prevented......
Yup, never even would've happened to begin with if they only make those darn gun laws harsher...Pfffffft!
The authorities couldn't even save these women from a criminal/nut case intent on killing and they were right there?! And they want us to give up our guns and put our safety in their hands?! NO THANKS!!!
Another day, another gun battle.
Society is coming apart at the seams because of the focus on gun control. Step back, give it a breather for awhile. In time come back to it with a better plan than 'the ban'.
In how many other countries, today, will whackos with guns kill innocents, in the courthouse?
PPfffffttttt. Did I say that right, Creek Dog? Probably not. There's only one Creek Dog!
too bad he didn't cap any bloodsucking $cumbag lawyers while at the courthouse !
looks like the shooter was convicted instantly at the court ! and charged with rounds pumped into him ,didn't need scumbag lawyers or a costly courtcase !
Here, I shall condense the story to its salient points: The gun nuts of America, their gun manufacturers, the NRA and the gun lobbyists say that the shooter was just another criminal for shooting those innocent people and not a responsible, law abiding citizen who owned a gun. Yet, just a split second before, however, those same gun groups and fanatics considered the shooter a non-criminal, responsible gun owner. So, with their twisted logic, all law abiding, responsible gun owners are potential criminals who could (and most often do) commit those same kinds of heinous acts with their guns. In summary, I further state, lets bring America up to the standards of being a civilized nation by banning all guns before more innocents are slaughtered.
Wow, you all complain about the focus on guns in the media, but you all make comments on every gun story. Just look at the comment section when there is a story about guns. If you don't want to see the stories, stop making them popular.
Chapman said. “Then there are usually eight to 10 police with wands checking everyone and after that you still have to walk by a desk where capitol police sit."
This statement baffles me. I was there just two weeks ago. I put my belongings into a plastic box... walked thru a metal detector... and I was in. I encountered two guards during the entire process. One who told me which line to get into and another who told me to remove my belt before walking thru the detector. If there were 8 to 10 people with wands... they must have been invisible because I never saw them. lol
Jim-2982776
Not true Jim, if a white person harms a minority the ethnic backgrounds are always included in the story.
I you lived nearby or your kid was locked down in one of the schools nearby, you would want whatever information was available even if incomplete.
If only those two policewomen had guns....oh, they did...
SHOCKER!!!
Yet another mass murder in a liberal state. IF lefty liberal laws are working then why are so many people in BLUE STATES killing eachother?
I'm sorry, but look at all the "Planned Reactionary" OVERKILL to the Public! Securing 12 floors of the building and lockdown for all those schools in the area when they know GD well (or at least within "reason") that it was a "lone" Shooter and that this was an "isolated" incident.
And where is "shoot to wound and disarm", first? Do these Guys even do target practice that includes shooting to knock the weapon out of the Shooter's grip or knock the arm off the weapon, first. Shoot the weapon out of the Shooter's possession, or the arm, first, and then HE can't shoot to KILL HIMSELF, and avoid Trial, EITHER!
Jean,
Totally agree. Lets get rid of all guns, ALL guns. Lets advertise to the gang-bangers et al that NO home has guns. I'm confident there will be no rise in home break-ins(?) I'm confident that there will be NO rise in assaults on the street and I'm especially confident that this would NOT embolden anyone with nefarious motives who now knows that "...as long as I/we are bigger than they are, I/we win!" They're called the great equalizer for a reason!
Feces occurs folks, to all mankind and it always will. The reasonable question for you ladies is "In the balance...are we safer or not?" It's an ignorant person who doesn't live in the real world (e.g. onumbnuts) and thinks were not safer, in the balance, with guns...than without.
Bad people happen, and when they do, just remember, that when seconds count...the police are only minutes away.
Just goes to show that police or Sheriff's deputies won't stop anyone who's determined.
Cut our tax burden and let these people find jobs in the private sector.
Vote to reduce the number of police in any community.
They are an after-the-fact service and ticket tax collection agency.
Mystery,
Are you really serious? Shoot to wound or disarm? Go to a shooting range or talk to someone who has actually shot...this ain't TV missy, and da bad boy isn't gonna stand still for yuz to take aim;)
Wow, I must have missed your little gem of a comment when I posted earlier. Do me a favor and explain what reasoning you used for your 'inside job' claim. Because I sure as hell can't see anything in the article that would lead me to think that. The guy was STOPPED at the entrance. He didn't make it into the courthouse and into a courtroom. He opened fire in the lobby at the security checkpoint and died there.
Sounds like security worked just fine to me. I look forward to you reply.
Sorry, this isn't a cowboy movie. The real world don't work that way, pardner.
I'd love to see the statistics on just how many gang members have been convicted of crimes making them a felony. It would curious to see just how many of these terrorists are considered law abiding citizens and have gone to gun shows etc and bought the arms they needed to supply their members and little kids theey use to commit the real crimes in order to keep their law abiding citizen, second amendment screaming rights. There should be much more criteria used in deciding whether or not to allow a gun sale and the criminal department have much more to do in order to update their files with these legal, law abiding citizen gang members.
Seriously?! Fk no. It's shoot to kill.
THE END
Agrees. A wounded person is still lethal in situations such as this.
"shoot to disarm" thats some funny stuff there "mystery" I am pretty sure they disarmed him alright, go to a gun range sometime, drink about 5 redbulls to simulate adrenaline and try to shoot a moving target in the "arm". the stupidity of some amazes me. and of course MSN has to make sure they mention gun a number of times to sway us all to the idea that the gun was the prime culprit, ignore the fact that the guy was pissed or crazy or both.
I think I've decided we don't need to craft more gun control laws. Instead I think we need to craft some serious deterrence. Not much we can do to stop some nut job from busting out his mom's legally owned Bushmaster and laying waste to large crowds of people. As the gun rights folk are constantly telling us, they'll always be able to find a weapon to use. So instead, let's focus on incentives for legal gun owners to keep the guns out of the hands of those who want to head to the mall and go on a shopping/killing spree.
For example, let's say Joe the plumber owns a Glock 19 he keeps around for home protection, which he keeps in the nightstand in the bedroom. Little Joe Jr. knows this and decides he's tired of getting his ass kicked during lunch at his high school. So he takes his dad's gun to school and pops off some rounds into the bully before some resource officer tackles him. Kid gets tried and convicted and sent away for a large number of years. Dad get's tried and convicted as well and gets a few years. Both lives ruined, etc etc.
Now, what if we said that if a kid takes a gun to school for whatever reason, that is legally owned by a parent, that parent automatically gets 30 years in prison? Think Joe the Plumber is going to risk that and still keep the gun sitting in his nightstand? Or will he perhaps lock it up someplace the kid can't get to it? Do you think Adam Lanza's mom would have left her Bushmaster lying around the house if she knew she'd spend the rest of her life in prison if he son should steal it?
The anti-gun control crowd are correct when they say that legal gun owners rarely go on shooting sprees. It seems to typically be the kids or other family members of those gun owners who do the damage. So lets make the punishment for not locking up those guns so horrific that people would be petrified of leaving them unsecured.
Any thoughts?
Chris from Y - I am for gun control. However, I agree with you that the people from whom the guns were borrowed, stolen, or otherwise gotten, need to be punished, too. Gun owners: You think you're a "responsible" gun owner? Then lets define responsible and hold you to it. If you truly are responsible, you'll be more than happy to comply.
T in Wilm
Your facts about the shooter are wrong .......
Just because you are from Wilmington, (I am too), does not mean you have correct facts about the shooter.
Until all the facts come in nobody can say for sure what happened or why. It does, however, seem to hurt the case of proponents for arming teachers in schools. This guy walked into a courthouse knowing full well it contained armed AND fully trained officers. A big argument for arming teachers is nobody will attack a school if they might meet armed resistance. But a lot of the people who do this thing don't care. These guys don't expect to walk away after the fact. It is self suicide or suicide by cop. That kind of crazy is far different from your run of the mill criminals. I don't think a bunch of new gun laws will solve any of the problems, but I also don't believe the government is competent enough to put together a good mental health program to find or detect these guys before they do this kind of thing.
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OF COURSE I'M "DEAD" SERIOUS! Don't tell me that there's no such thing as "moving target" PRACTICE (so you know how to do it IF the situation and NEED arises) just as much as "Shoot to kill". Not to mention, "The Wisdom to Know the Difference"!
For all the mentally retarded people with gun out there, you better watch out they are going to come get your gun. And they should. For the rest of you people with gun, relax nobody are coming for your gun, unless you are mentally retarded. Quit projecting that with the new gun law you will lose your gun. If you are going to start projecting then start with they are coming for your gun with or without the new law. And they are coming tomorrow. All I'm saying is quit being a paranoia.
The new gun law wouldn't do much to curb the current gun violent but over time it will. I see it working over time just like the smoking ban.
For people who already own gun why wouldn't you support the new gun law to prevent other from having gun. You already have advantage over other people without gun.
Jean Valjean, did prohibition work? Has the war on drugs worked? The simple answer is no. They may seem like good ideas in a utopia world, but gang members, drug pushers, black market sellers will ignore the laws and still supply buyers with what they want. All you do by making gun laws more strict is take guns out of the hands of people who for the greatest majority want to protect their families and themselves from the above mentioned criminals. Your solution is ludicrous in our society. It will not work.
I don't think we should try to ban all guns. But, yes, prohibition did work. There was less alcohol consumed.
Yes, the war on drugs does work, to a point.
There are very strict laws in the US concerning who can purchase a machine gun, or obtain dynamite. Those laws work very well.
Canada has laws that make it very difficult to obtain a gun, and they have very little gun violence. So, see? Good laws work.
Wanting to protect your family with a gun sounds like a good idea. But what if you are not trained to operate a weapon in a life-threatening situation? What if you make it easy for your gun to be stolen? Why make it just as easy for the bad guy to get a gun, as it is for the good guy to get a gun? Is it easy for a bad guy to get a gun? If yes, is that because there are so many guns that it is easy to get a gun illegally? Or is it because bad guys are so determined to get a gun?
Whoa, JeanValJean........ your analogy also works great for the upstanding working man who goes into a bar as a normal, rational, sane individual only to come out an hour later a the drunk who runs down your family and is guilty of breaking numerous laws. So, what exactly are you trying to say?
RHEE moving target practice is not meant to aim at an extremity one always aims center mass i.e. upper torso in every situation. snipers aim center mass and only at the head at mid range where they can guarantee a kill shot. too much tv and movie shenanigans.its kinda like shooting on full auto if your lucky and in the prone supported position you might hit someone 5 times before muzzle climb has you shooting over their head.same thing with a semi auto hand gun your first unaimed shot tends to be low and all folow up shots are all over the place especially when your target shoots back.case in point when the cops shot nine people in ny when they were shooting at the wack job a few months ago.take a look at the toyota truck in ca the detectives shot all to hell they have a good shot grouping for a claymore mine.
To my knowledge, no law enforcement agency trains their agents to shoot to wound or disarm policy. The ONLY safe way to disarm an attacker is to shoot to kill. You'd appreciate that if you were ever, or will ever be, an "innocent bystander."
13 years in the military and we were taught to shoot for center mass and pay attention to what is behind your target. Some of you watch way too many movies where the good guys are expert marksmen and can shoot the gun from someone's hand. SWAT snipers might have the luxury of time, the right weapon and the ability to pull off a shot that is less than deadly but the reality is that when you use deadly force it's with the full knowledge that you are intending to kill the person. You want your bullets to hit the person as quickly as possible before his hits you or anyone else.
another gun killing tonight...just for kicks...hope it's not baby mama...baby daddy needs him some baby moma...
Jean Valjean (don't think you live up to your stolen name(sake).
Creekdog, Scooter, et al ya'll make me laugh. gotta love your observations.
My take on this story, is again simply for sensationalism purposes. The mainstream media continues to promote such stories, not because they're concerned with the death of a person, but because it makes them money. Before recent events, there were daily killings of this sort, husband/wife or wife/husband, but it never made national front page news. Sometimes it barely made local news, because it is a common occurance. I now believe that the main reason for all of these "gun" stories is an attempt to refocus our attention off of the trouble our country is in financially, including unemployment and the fact that in 2014 our insurance rates are going to go so high ($2,400 instead of $700 a year). Has any one noticed the lack of these important issues in the mainstream media headines???? I also know that with the State of the Union address tomorrow, all we as Americans will get are platitudes and para phrases. There will be no meat on the bone.
Good afternoon usual suspects. A bit of nastiness, yes?
Mystery Rhee: in one word you are a FOOL! I speak to you from experience, I have almost 20 years in the military, 2 tours of combat and I have a degree in law enforcement and was on many hiring lists including federal. No Police Officer, soldier, or person in their right mind, trys shooting "to wound, or disarm" .First off shoting for an arm or leg is a small target, it is a moving target, and it is probably shooting back. If you miss that small target I promise you they will not miss you as a big target. In the second place, if you have a gun , be you nut case, bad guy, gang banger, etc.... you are shooting to kill people so the above mentioned people,(Police, soldier, right minded person) are going to shoot CENTER MASS and help you find the peace and quiet you deserve 6 feet under. Until you have had a gun in your hand and been shot at by people trying to kill you do not question what those who have been trained to do are doing.
If you feel the need to be unarmed and talk some whack job or criminal into not killing you or others feel free to do it, it is your right, but I will not feel sympathy when they do not listen to you and kill you, just as the same nut jobs do not follow the gun laws already in affect, like the "Gun Free Zones".
davey you're a hoot....No really...prohibition worked..Yup sure did...it worked for the gangs and mobsters and created a multi-million dollar black market...AND raised the death rate by guns too..
Oh and I didn't know that there have been no other mass shootings except in the US...Very interesting....
Here we go....... MSNBC has their media marching orders from the obama administration for this week.
how is that navyvet? is the story not true...did MSNBC just make it up?
They got that agenda directive the day they signed onto the "forward" team. Next up Amnesty, then spin the spending, gas is up due to "speculators or oil prices"( your choice) , followed by a list of " feel good" ( phony ) numbers. Hope and change didn't work therefor lets go "forward" with more of the same...and the sheeple bleated....
Yes, since plenty of other news outlets have the story to. But nope, it's just MSNBC taking government orders. Do us all a favor, put down your keyboard and go sit in the corner with your tin foil hat. Thanks!
WooooOOOOoooOOO the news reporting people shot in side a courthouse! THOSE LIBERALS ARE IGNORING OTHER REAL IMPORTANT NEWS STORIES LIKE: ... *crickets*
I guess they should be covering low level beauty pageants or pieces about puppies?
Guys... its no secret. The obama team established a "Media Road Map" some time ago. Politically smart, but scary to those that love journalism and a free press. It is directions to "friendly media groups" on how to "tell a story, how to focus the the story into those agenda items important to this administration. Lastly... it also not a secret that the MSNBC news team, Chris, Rachel, Ed and other team members have a luncheon with the president once a month. In fact Valerie Jarret ( the real power behind the throne) publicly and specifically thanked MSNBC for being "the voice of the obama administration." Look up the issues sometimes.
Now notice how every story on MSNBC is about gun violence. When Hasan shot up Ft Hood it was "work place violence" not terrorism. As stupid as this administrations' policies are they are very smart in how to manipulate what is said.
navyvet98
But yet any Lefturd that wants to try belittling someone just uses the FOX News insult. Fox News is NOT any farther Right than MSNBC is Left. Myself, I do trust Fox much more than I do MSNBC. I guess our post will be collapsed shortly.
Not shortly, very soon. When you lead with insults, collapsing in inevitible. The name calling is childish, so expect collapsing at the least, being suspended or banned at max. "Leftard?", are you EIGHT or what?
Someone tell me what is the president's special powers. Cause for someone who is just a man. To all who come up with these cocomayme this & that he going to do. Yet nothing come to be true. It's all in there minds.
Hey Navyvet
it's even on Fox news - did they also get marching orders?
Name calling is childish and is usually very telling of a posters level of maturity. But lets face it. Many left leaning posters on this blog have little high ground in this discussion either.
Yes, the tinfoil hats are being handed out en masse today. A shooting that Obama made up! Liberals this, liberals that! The crackers are going crazy.
Anyone who can't see the "bias" in todays media is either very "biased" themselves or dumber than a box of chocolates.
lascooter
You are confused with bull@!$%# mountain news (fox news). They get their talking points straight from the gop, per steve doocy.
@navyvet98
Stop talking. Your nonsense is making us real Navy vets look bad.
Heaven forbid the conservatives miss the newest Honey Boo Boo child episode because some news outlet broke into the broadcast to cover a shooting, lol.
Name calling IS childish as i have stated many times before yet ....The collapse post ( aka bury head in sand ) and calling for a "ban" however, is a good thing?..... Its called censorship.
navy
It's no secret because it isn't true! But don't let that stop you.
"Security person".....Ummm ..ya mean cop by chance?
Not necessarily Scooter....there are alot of communities that have armed security companies providing security at county and municiple buildings. Not sure in Wilmington Delaware what services they use. But it could be a police officer. It could also just as easily be a private security company employee.
Or you know, maybe a security guard? Unless you consider those cops, too.
In hindsight....the man shot? or the shooter was a security person? Just a little clarity would be nice as that statement could be taken either way.
Round here the courthouse is the responsibility of the county sheriff, and they put a person there, trouble with that is who could you spare to do that job? a good officer needed in the field or........?
My wife's cousin is married to a retired Navy Captian that was the CO at a Navy base. We went to visit them and to my surprise the guards at the gates weren't even military ,they were private cops. I guess it is cheaper to use them.Didn't make sense to me.
OK, they are not "private cops," they are DON contract employees. For example, the primary security force at Great Lakes Naval Station is the Great Lakes Police Department - just like any other police dept only they get supplemented by military security forces.
I guess, the "Police" didn't have guns. Wayne said, we need more guns..
Capitol Police has POLICE OFFICERS AND SECURITY OFFICERS.
Geeez people get a grip some of the comments are just to stupid.
The gunman was probably framed. Word is, he had a silencer made from a lawnmower muffler planted on him.
Uh oh...update: there were a couple of elementary schools in the "area."
I wonder how many folks from Newtown CT are going to be "guests of the President" at tomorrow's State of the Union? Afterall, can't let a crisis go to waste!
Shootings only happen in gun free zones so this story can't be true, says the gun owner cleaning his gun while drinking a Bud and eating Slim Jims in his underwear.
SHOCKER!!!
Yet another mass murder in a liberal state. IF lefty liberal laws are working then why are so many people in BLUE STATES killing eachother?
Because even in Blue states there are enough gun-crazy a-holes to go around shooting themselves, each other or anyone they can aim at. Feel free to invite them to your "Red" states. You armed tough guys should be able to handle them. Right?
No, we have societal problems that make our country unsafe. Gangs, drug pushers, corupt politicians, marriage problems, lax legal system and many other societal issues has made it so that we must protect our families and property. Remember, if an individual has the intent to commit a crime and has a choice of going into a home that he knows has a gun and one that he knows does not, where will he go most of the time? I contend he is smart enough to go to the house that he suspects does not have a gun. If you are so anti-gun, put a sign in your front yard that says "gun free zone" and see what happens.
Time for severe gun restrictions.
takenaka: They already have the severe gun restrictions, problem is they are not any good if you do not enforce them.
Well it is obvious we need more guns guns guns. If only everyone had two or three this problem would be solved. Assault rifles are a birthright darn it. Everybody needs more guns. That will fix the problem.
Sarcastic......but true. Everyone needs at least two, me 102. I have but a few to go.
Patriot1945
I'm jealous. I only have about 35. But I do have 3 or 4 assault bows & have multiple capacity quivers.
O-U whine ..? ...Yep apparently you choose the right username...
what part of "security person" didn't you catch, come on now the whole damn article is only about 100 words, yet you apparently still didn't get past the headline now did ya?
i need to go do more shopping - I only have 15 guns dammit - but i do have lots and lots of ammo
Holy crap, does this count as a high-capapcity clip?!?
Yeah, good thing there were armed guards around - that did so much for those two dead women.
Come on it was a "Gun Free Zone" no one would disobey that rule.
SHOCKER!!!
Yet another mass murder in a liberal state. IF lefty liberal laws are working then why are so many people in BLUE STATES killing eachother?
and no one is taking my semi-automatic fleet enema from me, g-dammit!!!
There is an inverse relationship between how secure one is and how many guns they own.
Oh, not necessarily.
I know a number of individuals, including some retired farmers and businessmen, who own dozens of vintage firearms that are stored unloaded and some of them have actually never been fired after they left the factory. In the case of a couple of the farmers, they don't even have their guns in the house, they're stored separately in a structure that most would agree qualifies as a 'vault' and from what I've observed, is actually more secure than the house itself is.
If the guns you're talking about are maintained for use as weapons and kept ready to use and immediately accessible, then yes, having a lot of them indicates something isn't right. I can only think of one person around my parts who fits that description and he was arrested during a raid on his property about five years back when the feds busted him for dealing drugs. Apparently he had been anticipating someone coming to 'visit' him sooner or later...
But for people who have antique guns that ammunition isn't even commercially available for anymore, I don't think their collection hints at any kind of insecurity on their part.
Good Lord. A courthouse. One of the most "secure" places ever with all the police and armed cops guards etc and someone still manages to shoot? God be with the families..
It would seem the authorities cannot protect you in a public building. I guess you had better provide your own protection and home.
Yep! When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.
Sign up here to be the next victim.
I don't see how everyone carrying guns would help in a situation like this. Of course they will never allow guns in a courtroom anyway, considering it can be a very emotional place with life-changing decisions being made every day.
So suppose you're in the crowd in the lobby waiting to go through security, and hear gun shots from somewhere close by. You draw your gun and try to determine who is shooting so you can return fire. At the same time, the guards draw their weapons and see you and a half-dozen other people holding guns. What happens next?
Well, in this case they were standing right there. Are you saying you'd be quicker? Why would you think that?
It's tough to know just what the perpetrator was thinking as he did this or how much thought he'd actually put into it. The real issue, though, was that he met a point of confrontation. That is where a lot of bad stuff happens.
In the middle east, a great many of the suicide bombers detonated their explosive vests when they came to a checkpoint they couldn't get around and were about to be searched. Their options were to be taken into custody, possibly shot on the spot to ensure they couldn't detonate their vest, or just blow themselves - and everyone around them - up then and there, even if they hadn't reached their intended target.
More than a few thefts through the years have turned violent when the thief was apprehended. Sometimes it's been shoplifters, who, when apprehended, pulled out a weapon of some sort and used it on the store personnel confronting them. Some robberies were mere thefts until the police tried to stop the robber, and people started getting hurt or killed at that time.
In this courthouse, which was very well secured, the guy found out the hard way that he was going to have to go through a checkpoint where the handgun he was illegally carrying (going armed with specific intent to wound or kill a certain person is always illegal) would be discovered. Either he could turn around and go back where he came from, be taken into custody for trying to take a gun into the courthouse if he proceeded through the checkpoint, or else he could pull out the gun and start shooting.
This is a risk that is taken when establishing checkpoints anywhere. Violence being kept out of the secured area may be at the expense of increasing its likelihood at the entrance to the secured area.
And I thought my Monday was starting out bad...
It's not the guns' fault - just another bat sh!t crazy person in a courthouse who chose to use it. I hope the three injured people fully recover quickly.
GM Catchick
Go to your local courthouse and look around, see ANYBODY who doesn't look bat@!$%# crazy?
GM IA S
Good point! And I also wondered which one of the three was the lawyer.
think of the lucky ones that will have no court today :P
@IA Scooter
Feisty Redhead was there?
I suppose this will be NRA's fault to?
I suppose this will be NRA's fault to?
With just the information above it will be blamed on the NRA, Wayne LaPerrier, white people, Republicans & Ronald Reagan for shutting down mental health care. Don't forget the shooter probably watches FOX News & has a tattoo of Glen Beck on his chest. We must confiscate ALL guns before the sun goes down today. Silly Lefturds.
You probably have a picture of LaPerrier in your pocket and fantasize about how great a lobbyist he is. Do you make love to him in your small mind? What a wonderful man he must be to take the gun manufacture's money and wine and dine every politician he can get to before the next bastard lobbyist gets to them in DC. But go buy yourself another gun... I have enough of my own...
My Boys Dad
I knew it wouldn't take much to lure you gun grabbing freaks out of your closet. Your so predictable. I don't even belong to the NRA. I suppose I need to be though, just to make sure they have the funds to fight you freaks. I don't demonize one person for the lack of civility in our nation. You can't legislate morals. You can't make laws that criminals won't follow. But in your small little world, let's blame it on one person because it's easier, you won't have to use your little pea brains so much. Pitiful little Lefturd.
My boys dad
To expand on bowhunters post, you do realise the MAJORITY of gun owners do not belong to the NRA nor do most of us have registered firearms....opps....what now? house to house searches perhaps and if so, by whom?
So what if someone belongs to the NRA? I do, have for years.
I don't agree with everything they say and do but they are the biggest protector of my gun rights by far. It certainly isn't the current admin who wants to protect those rights. An admin that openly disagrees with most all my thoughts on legal gun ownership.
So go ahead and villanize the NRA all you want. I will continue to support the organizations like the NRA that support my rights. Proudly i might add.
Three people are dead. One deservedly so, but two dead victims and two courthouse security or cops wounded...I just don't need to read diatribes for or against guns. Guns make it easier to kill and wound, but a nut can use anything. The husband could have used his car to run over both of his victims. He could have used a knife, too. This isn't about guns, it is about violence and murder. The guy apparently was unhinged and wanted to kill his wife. He did it...
He could have sued a car....but he used a gun! Why, 'cause it's so easy and that's what guns are for...killing peopple.
And do you all realize that democrats and liberals both own gun. But hey what fun would it be not lumping everyone into one group, while you complain that someone else is lumping people into one group.
BTW wow My Boys Dad did not say anything about taking away guns in fact he said he owns some too. He just voiced his opinion on the NRA, and its president. As you pointed out many more gun owners then NRA members so I am guessing at least some probably agree that the NRA ain't that great.
Honestly you guys are just a couple internet tough guys looking for any slight perceived wrong to just go off. Maybe you should try going out in the public and interacting with people like that. Are your lives so miserable that you need to get on the net to bully people over anything?
If you feel the government is treating you so horribly or trying to take your right. Then get from behind the computer, up of your butt, get involved and do something about it. I can promise you nothing will ever get solved by your crying on a comments section about it.
So rather then sue a car he shot it. that will teach it.
Wrong again....sheeple not peopple.
Yep, just keep blaming the NRA. Don't blame the shooters or anything. After all, we can always blame our actions on someone else, can't we?
People are in a buying frenzy buying guns to protect themselves. From what? Simple, answer here, OTHER GUN OWNERS!
King Barry's new world order. Hell of it is he and his mass hysteria press are the ones CAUSING it....Gotta love it when a plan comes together, just like the rest of his agendas, no thought process just yak,yak,yak. hows the amnesty coming along while hes got everyone worried about this BTW?
Intelligent America won and Ignorant America lost. Get over it...
SHOCKER!!!
Yet another mass murder in a liberal state. IF lefty liberal laws are working then why are so many people in BLUE STATES killing eachother?
My Boys Dad
Hate to burst your bubble but this has been de-bunked, ironically by the gun grabbers themselves.
According to a study done by the Violence Policy Center, between 2005 and 2011 the NRA received a total of between 15-40 million dollars from gun manufacturers. What they neglect to mention is that the NRA annual budget is in the ballpark of 300 million. So even if you use their high estimate the gun manufactures gave the NRA enough money to cover their budget for 8 days over a 6 year period. Not even politicians sell out that cheap.
http://www.vpc.org/press/1104blood.htm
IA
Yes, good points. A real contribution to the argument.
Meanwhile, we are left to wonder: How many died from drivers DWI? How many died of cancer? How many died from safety-related accidents? How are the folks in the path of Sandy doing today?
How many died for causes other than gun violence? "Gun" is the current buzz word until the media floats passage of outlawing guns, then it will be some other liberal agenda buzz word.
stinky,
The thing is, there is greater appetite to fix preventable injuries and deaths with a single exception: when it comes to firearms. There are laws and check-points and mechanisms to try and prevent DWI. There is research going on to treat and cure cancer. There are whole government agencies dedicated to studying and preventing safety related accidents. There are discussions about what can be done with the way we rebuild cities after hurricanes to prevent future suffering.
Any time you discuss any measure to try and do something about gun violence, very vocal very angry groups say no way. The discussion has gotten even less productive since December, because now these same groups are offloading blame onto violent media.
It's a complex problem requiring a complex solution that balances the rights of civilians to both own guns and live their life without bullets inside them.
Every armchair policy expert has their own simplistic pet solution and odds are darn good it isn't going to work. Whether it is prohibiting certain gun types or magazines, requiring checks, arming more people or having armed guards, or curtailing access violent video games/movies/TV.
But there is this much that is obvious: What we're doing now (which is nothing) isn't working. We need comprehensive data gathering to get to a sensible place. The problem is: conducting this kind of research and publishing this kind of data is not legal. That is the thing that needs to change before anything else.
Pragmatic-3918582
Bull @!$%#! One person is killed every hour in the US by a drunk driver and over 200 children annually. The VAST majority of these deaths could be EASILY prevented by a SIMPLE breath analyzing device attached to the ignition system of every car. Why is there no outcry for this as there is for gun control?? MANY more lives would be saved without any violation to a persons Constitutional rights.
This is just your standard case of "as long as it doesn't affect me in any way it's fine". People only give a crap about "saving lives" when it is of no inconvenience to them.
I'm with you on the "SIMPLE breath analyzing device attached to the ignition system of every car" I'm with you man. Is anyone speaking out against that?
Now, can we get back to talking about guns?
Backcountry164
The reason is that the car manufacturer won't accept the liability of somebody fooling the system. If your kid gets killed by a drunk driver who circumvented that system, you'd be able to sue the car manufacturer for wrongful death and probably win money. The car manufacturers, unlike the gun manufacturers, don't enjoy blanket civil immunity. (Another thing that should be part of the discussion.)
I'm for it. It's a great idea. It just isn't going to happen in our litigious environment.
It should also be noted that we as a society have no problem taking away a person's privilege to operate a vehicle if they've proven themselves to be a hazard to others by, say, driving drunk. We make no such attempts with firearms because it is a right and not a privilege. You pretty much have to be a convicted felon to lose that right.
Pragmatic-3918582
Again I'll say Bull @!$%#. If this were a matter of law the car manufacturers could be covered by that law. Honestly what a horrible excuse. We need tort reform so we're not even going to try a reasonable solution?? Give me a break. No one has even discussed this option. No one spends much time and effort on this problem at all. Not a fraction of a fraction of the effort we're spending on gun control so don't bother with the excuses. Such a law would be a bother to everyone so nearly everyone would oppose it. Guns aren't a concern at all for half the country so nearly half the country will support pretty much anything. "As long as it doesn't affect me"
Wrong and wrong. Multiple convictions for drunk driving are not at all uncommon. Also it's not illegal for someone to posses a car if they've had DWI's but it is illegal for someone to posses a gun under a variety of circumstances including a restraining order against, habitual drug user or basically any reason a judge can come up with.
This debate would look a lot different if people actually had a clue what they're talking about.
I would think a little more information might be useful. What a sketchy story... No motivation, no real facts... Poor reporting... Just some idiot shot some people with a gun. Gees, I could write that... Oh and the mayor was escorted in. Don't want to leave that little tid-bit of news out! Who F-ing cares that the mayor went in???
I gather you've never heard of a breaking news release? Should they wait until the victims' families are all lined up in public? Give it a rest.
Tetrapoda
I gather you get all of your news from MSNBC or else you'd realize that if you want details on "breaking stories" here you can often find them by searching for other sources.
Local media is reporting the shooter is dead.
""Security person".....Ummm ..ya mean cop by chance?"
No, more than likely one of the armed people that was supposed to stop this kind of thing...... bailiff, security guard, etc.
around here they are one and the same, yet that statement could go either way.
BTW to respond to post use the reply on the lower right. not picking on ya it just seems lots of folks don't know how.
What is going on Scooter. Here just hanging out and working.
GA Carol,
Just getting ready to head down to the Legion then over to the V, have a couple, the boss whats me in Ohio so i figure i will drink on it. after all its OHIO. Worked there 3 times... but i did enjoy it....once.
Dang sounds like a nice time. What part of the service where you in.
Andrew Mach...
Maybe you should utilize the "sources" you post links to in your own post. If you did, you would learn that the "shooter" is in fact NOT in custody, at least not in the traditional sense. He's dead.... but I guess the Coroner has custody.
GM XD
dead?
well that puts him in custody, just a different location......and that's a GOOD tradition.
Wilson get the hell off this site with your free ad comments .. You should be banned from using it for free advertising your crap.
clayton, you realise your talking to a computer dont ya?
2 dead 2 injured and the gunman is dead, Cnn shows one and MSN show different go figure
Not only a gun free zone, but a gun free zone with metal detectors! If somebody really wants to do it, they will!
Airborne_DAD
If somebody really wants to do it, they will!
This just shows that we don't have enough LAWS. More laws please.
Sure, more laws, they can't even enforce the ones they have.
1st of all it was in the lobby before the metal detectors, 2nd of all lets see your smart comments when it is one of your family that gets shot. And 3rd of all most of you loud moths with guns would not know what to do if you were confronted by an armed person. It takes training. If there was 20 people there and all had a gun and nobody saw who actually was the shooter they would be shooting each other or as I have seen in the pass they run and hide with their gun scared in a wet spot.
Moths should not be allowed guns,I agree.
I totally agree down with the moths!
Mr. C 4
Not sure how to read your post, for guns, against guns, against people, what? The only thing I can take away from your post is that you don't think people should have guns for protection? If that is the case then don't own one. See that was easy. Just don't try & tell others what how they need to conduct their lives. See, that was easy too.
My post is not anti gun, but anti people that thinks they can protect themselves and everyone because they own a gun. It takes training to be able to react or respond in this situation. A 2 hour gun course sdoes not provide this. I was military and the training involved is extensive. I am tired of hearing all of these ignorant people saying if everyone had a gun. This is not shooting a colay pigeon or a target. Not everything is for or against guns. The sad part is that all you were looking for is a pro or anti gun stance
The act was done before they got to the metal detectors
and another thing Deerhunterbowl, not anywhere did I say that anyone had to do anything. I was stating a simple fact. You seem to be the one making uneducated claims about others. For once why dont you just read the post for the words that are in it instead of trying to make it a personal attack on what you may or may not believe. So quit telling others what may or may not be easy.
Mr. C 4
Just where DID I make a personal attack ? My point is try to worry about yourself. We have way to many people trying to get into other peoples business. My guns or lack of guns has no bearing on your life.
There was nothing posted about your guns or lack there of. It was simply stated that those who lack the personal training with guns talking garbage about how if everyone had a gun they could prevent things like this from happening. I could care less if you or anyone else has a gun. Again you are trying to make it out to a gun issue which in fact it is not.
Tragic that 2 were murdered and 2 wounded by another lunatic. The part of the story not readily apparent is that the shooter was stopped (killed) by armed police before he could continue his rampage. If this were a "gun free zone" like the gun control supporters advocate, there would most likely have been many more killed or wounded.
SHOCKER!!!
Yet another mass murder in a liberal state. IF lefty liberal laws are working then why are so many people in BLUE STATES killing eachother?
Mr Big Bowhunter,
We will tell you how to live your life if it endangers the lives of the rest of us. You will be told how to drive your car safely on OUR public streets, you will be told that in OUR country, you cannot smoke your drugs around others, you will be told that you cannot take a gun into OUR federal, state, and municipal buildings, and you will be told that you cannot have a sawed off shotgun, a fully automatic weapon, or a hand grenade in OUR country. There are several other things that we could tell you and if you don't like it, pack your duffel and go to Yemen or somewhere you can spout off like a big shot and nobody will listen.
Ever notice that punks never end up becoming adults.
You can tell anyone what they can and can't do.
You can pass laws supporting that as well....
Unfortunately criminals don't obey laws.... Thats pretty much why they refer to them as criminals...
In other words...... Thinking doesn't make it so....
Its already against the law to own a sawed off shot gun and fully automatic rifles and hand grenades.... Its already a law you can't enter a federal building with a firearm.....
So here's a quick multiple choice quiz for ya.
If I have a firearm and I commit a crime with it... Am I a:
1. Criminal
2. Law abiding citizen
If your answer is 1 then I will not be obeying any other law you pass either.... aka... Im a criminal...
Ever notice some adults always pretend to be grown up.
DOH!!!!!!!
That is the point, did you miss that one? Being gown up means you should put an effort into reading what you respond to.
Actually delawareonline is reporting the shooter is dead, good job PMSNBC. I'm at 9th and Tatnall myself, just walked down to survey the goings on, it's like a war zone.....
a person or persons were SHOT by a GUN by someone somewhere for some reason.hey MSNBC, i can do journalism too! can i have a job?
all people in security should have a security check opps they do now what
Actually, 5 people were shot and the shooter is dead.
or two, then three, now four,
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/justice/delaware-court-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
R Battle. Your comment is silly. News is about delivering the story as fast as possible with as much accuracy as possible. They published the info that they had. That is how news works whether the topic is guns or political events or weather.
Therein lies the problem with 'news' reporting. Networks are in such a rush to break the story facts are incomplete, inaccurate or just plain made up. Journalistic integrity and responsibility went by the wayside in the 1960s.
sjacobs
WOW, I remember back in the early 60's. A breaking news story on TV. "President Kennedy Shot". They didn't say how many times he was shot. They didn't say who or how many shooters there were. They didn't say if the president was alive or dead. They didn't say if anyone else was shot. Hmmm, I guess things haven't changed much since the 60's after all.
Good points, all, about the evolution of the media, and how much it hasn't changed, but, PLEASE, let's not start the Kennedy Conspiracy debate up again here!
And people want instant gratification. If you don't like "incomplete" news stories, only read about events that happened last week.
lugdush
ops, sorry. ®¿®
If only courthouses had "good guys with guns" to guard them, this would never happen.
Oh wait. They do.
One more ridiculous NRA excuse disproven.
The shooter allegedly was a security guard at the courthouse. Are you implying courthouse security should not be armed? That does not make sense.
Everyone knows that the only way to combat a bad guy with a gun is to stick out your tongue & throw a Twinkie at him. Trayvon already proved that Skittles are useless.
So,armed guards are ridiculous?
Will the president get rid of his?
Armed drones asleep at the switch are worthless,time to hire people who can do the job.
sjacob
How the hell do you get that the security guard was the shooter from this story? Because it said a security guard was shot? Using your logic, two women were also shot. They could have been the shooters.
You guys need to read the story over....it said the shooter was going to court for child support modification...never said he was a security guard at the court.
johninpa
Not with someone like you around.
johnin pa , u dolt , finish reading the story , the guards did their job , armed guards , took the perp out . If not for them , its safe to assume that more would have died & perp would likely have walked away to do more harm . you are an idiot , actually , your so blind , you stated that it occurred in a supposed safe zone where LAW makes it illegal to carry a firearm & yet the nut did it anyway , so , go pass more laws .
Damn that pesky lamestream media! How dare they report on actual events? I'm going back to Fox "News" so I can hear real Americans wailing and gnashing their teeth about the socialist/marxist/communist/dictator/muslim/kenyan/gun confiscator in the White House.....
Let's see which network has had to backtrack on a certain "journalist's", Martin Bashir, comments? Oh yes, that would be MSNBC. But only after CNN and CNBC acknowledged his comments were way out of line.
mescalita
Did you ever watch MSNBC when Bush was in office? Nuff said.
that's all you got, deerie?
. . . at least Fox news has a liberal speaker on their show, hence "Fair and Balanced." Tell me, now many conservatives do you see on the programs you watch? Truth, although unwelcomed at times, is still the truth; if you don't want to hear it, don't be suprised when "truth happens."
mescalita
Yes that's what I have. MSNBC demonized Bush the same or more than Fox does Obama. How can you degrade Fox for doing the same as MSNBC ? You have your blinders on & a big glass of the Kool-Aid?
stinky
They have "ONE". LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!! ®¿®
wow - doesn't take much to get the teabaggers riled up around here....
deer
Seems that you have.
Arguing about whether MSNBC or Fox News is more biased is like arguing about whether Dancing with the Stars is better than American Idol. You're arguing about two entertainment shows.
I quit watching Beck and Fox when Obama was elected they were and are so bias . I watch CNN and they almost always have three on their shows one is usually that woman teabagger, one a democrat and one that is a in between . So It was said that Fox has "one' democrat <HA
I don't understand: are the preliminary news accounts incomplete or inaccurate, or some combination of both? Only inaccuracy is a basis for valid criticism, since any news account of an ongoing story will of necessity be incomplete.
What is the "downside" of waiting for more complete and (hopefully) more accurate information from multiple independent sources?
Stay tuned....
Because people want all the answers. Right now! Even if they're not yet available.
I work a 2 minute walk to the Wilmington Courthouse in which this shooting happened. The security person shot wasn't a cop, it was a 3rd party police officer part of a unit called "Capital Police" they work security for a lot of the buildings around here.
The shooter is dead. The shooter's motive was to kill his wife, who was reporting for a hearing today with a friend who was also killed in the shooting. Police killed the shooter.
Capital police is the cops.
What the hell are you talking about? If you work in the area you should know more. They are CAPITOL POLICE, note the spelling! They have Police Officers and Security officers. They are not whatever damn 3rd party you are talking about. Quit talking.
The Captitol Police are NOT a 3rd party agency. They are fully trained police officers whose jurisdiction includes many state and county locations. Do your research, T in Wilmington.
Does it really matter if they are real cops or not? We still got people, hell-bent on revenge, walking around with firearms killing and maiming on a daily basis. What is the solution? Is there a solution? What can be done that doesn't trample over the Second Amendment? Respond if you got a better idea than President Obama, our elected officials need our input.
Doublepost, fixed.
fire trucks??
metal detector picked up a Zippo.