What's the problem? All we have here is another law abiding citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights until he got mad at his room mates. The NRA was protecting his rights under the 2nd amendment, then he blew his roommates away.

I am very interested as too what the surviving kids story will be. I mean, you can't make this crap up. One kid starts a fire in the basement, gets confronted, and bullets start flying. What the ....? Crazy!

Roommate Wanted
Must Love Guns and keep the bathroom really clean!!!

I went to school at an urban University. Sometime in the last century. With all the fear, adjustment, growing up and coming out and tension and stress and grades and aspirations and conflict...I'm so glad none of us had guns. And no, at that time in our history, the average person did not have a gun. Not so long ago really.

Scooter...re-read Takenada's post 3x before responding. There was mention of strict gun control and enforcement, but nothing about stripping anyone of the ability to defend themselves.

There are, apparently, way too many people in this country who should never have access to guns. One would hope those who are most affected by these bad apples (responsible gun owners) would be even more enraged by these incidents and thus highly motivated to find a solution.

It does not take gun ownership to know this problem is bad. Something needs to be done. We all agree that taking away anyone's amendment rights is not the answer and the Constitution was written in a way that it could be revised to fit future needs. The events of late have warranted some revisions, no?

Lets start the day by asking you to worry about your own country seeing as you are not a US citizen.

What if nobody had guns except POST certificate holders? It used to be that way, way back. You hardly ever read these stories then, it was rare to see a murder-suicide story in the paper (yes paper). Too many people and too many people with guns. I'm tired of hearing about people's 2nd amendment right to have a gun. The NRA is infringing on my right to the pursuit of happiness, guaranteed to me in the Declaration of Independence, which was written 15 years before the 2nd amendment.

@ I'm back again1:

NBC news has gun control in its' "sights"? As in, that's what they are aiming for? I take it you would not support stricter gun laws?

I'm back - "over 90 million people in this country have legally purchased firearms and have never committed a crime let alone shot anyone"

YET.

"GUNS and the people who legally own them are NOT the problem, the .0001 percent of the population who are crazy are. Uphold the current gun laws and put the perpetrators in jail."

the thing is, we dont know WHEN those legal gun owners will choose to go crazy. The mass shootings were ALL done by people who obtained their guns from legal gun owners - either their parents, or they purchased them themselves.

I say we treate WHITE AMERICAN MALE TERRORISTS just like we treate BROWN MIDDLE EASTERN TERRORISTS...

if there's even a HINT that your crazy white arse is talking about using your gun in a manner not meant for hunting animals, well...i'd like to see your butt in jail indefinitely without contact to anyone, just like we do with the brown terrorists who scare us.

2nd Amendment rights, sure - have your guns.

I dont want to take them away - I just want to lock you up when you scare me and I start to worry.

Just like we do with the brown guys who scare us and might want to hurt us, maybe, someday.

Why do gun nuts think gun control = taking all your guns away?

ARE YOU THE CRAZY PERSON THAT SHOULD HAVE ALL YOUR GUNS TAKEN AWAY?

Because I do want to take away all the guns from crazies...is that why you're scared?

GM Scooter... :-)

takenaka

Starting off a new day with an appeal for strict gun control and strict enforcement.

#1 - Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:00 AM EST

I know right?! If they would just hurry the Fk up and pass those stricter gun laws.

If they did, none of this would've "evar" happened......right?! You know, no more gun murders across the USA. Man I can't wait...

Jessica-1170252

Good morning. I just got out yesterday & I'm a gun owner.

I was wondering if you could join me for dinner tonight. How 'bout around 6:30?

Let me know. ;-)

Jessica asked: "Why do gun nuts think gun control = taking all your guns away?"

Answers:

A) Because extremists with access to the air waves tell them this is the case and they blindly believe it.

B) Because some people lack basic intelligence and logic.

I think Takenaka wants you dead so he can filch your wallet.

I'm back again1

Since when would we ever hear about this as national news except the potus is going to push for gun control tonight and NBC News has it in its sights

Of course this was done just for the media. The White House in fact probably hired the kid to shoot his roommates. (/SARC) Just like so many of you seemed to begin to believe Newtown was some sort of staged scene. Funny how that whole story faded away. Even most CT nuts couldn't go there.

But the sanity of many on the Right has become highly questionable. And instead of seeking treatment they go buy another gun (which they should have no business owning in the first place).

Are you seriously suggesting this would be a non-story if not for the SOTU tonight? You might note that it is also on the front page of FoxNews.com. LOL!

I'm back,

Funny you should say that. I "always" un-collapse a collapsed comment to see why it was collapsed in the first place...

Collapse what I mean?! LOL

Webba

Lets start the day by asking you to worry about your own country seeing as you are not a US citizen.

You got all that from a screen handle? Wow you must be a smart one. And I didn't even really like his comment.

I'm back again1: "sounds like a nut if he did not have a gun he would have used a knife or a baseball bat or a hammer or a......."

It's a helluva lot easier to run away from a baseball bat or a knife than a discharged bullet.

"Because I do want to take away all the guns from crazies...is that why you're scared?"

That's an oxymoron statement. Makes you kind of crazy don't cha think?

The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution: "A WELL-REGULATED militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed."

When I read the 2nd Amendment, that word REGULATION immediately pops out. But what does NOT pop out is "individual right to bear arms." Why? Because those words are not there! Also, semi-automatic weapons, nukes, tanks, bombs also do not appear there.

gm Scooter, CD..

And all you people who keep saying no one wants to take all our guns away are out of your freaking minds.

It started with the assault rifles, then it was "take away all the guns except those that are used for hunting"... and the joke about that was that it was the people who don't hunt at all who wanted to tell the rest of us which guns to use for hunting.

Now the anti gun fanatics have moved on to saying that all hand guns are the problem and should be confiscated and melted down.

Not after all our guns, my ass.

I'm back again1

voxrationis

"Well I don't watch Fox or read their web site"

Right, because Fox doesn't let anyone comment on their stories/propaganda. I wonder why? Too easy to trash with facts?

I'm back again1

It's a helluva lot easier to run away from a baseball bat or a knife than a discharged bullet

"It maybe but if you can't get away you will be just as dead..."

And if you can get away, which is more likely, you will be alive.

Taken aka generally posts a two-word comment, and the first word is "ban."

The Decalration does not guarantee happiness. It does say "pursuit of happiness."

The Supreme Court has already ruled on the individuals right to bear arms - no matter how you read the clause.

I like the idea of locking up anyone who scares you. Can we start with those who prefer to have the state decide their lives rather than taking personal responsiblity?

Now, back to the gun grabberz versus the 2nd Amendment supporters . . .

Looking at it another way...

If you hated America. If you lived in some foreign country and hated America and wished it was destroyed, well, you would love the 2A. It lets any whacko have a gun and kill Americans.

If you lived in Whoopistan and you read every day about Americans killing each other, you would love the 2A.

When I read the comments from the pro and anti gun people it always seem to me that the anti gun people would give the reasons why they think so and provide the solution to fix the problems. On the other hand the pro gun people only give the reasons without any solutions. Why is that? I don't know. The only logical reason I could think of is that the pro gun people just love firearms. Period.

Let me ask all the pro gun people out there. If somehow, magically, that banning guns would completely eliminate all the deaths related to guns would you in favor for it?

Regular Guy, this is a question I have posed more than once to the gun owners who reply on these threads.

Seems to me they are the ones who should be up in arms over this problem trying to find a solution. I've heard a LOT about our second amendment rights, but not much in the way of a solution. It seems there is now an extremely jaded perception of people who own guns, and these crazies are ruining it for all of them.

I say, ignore the ones who are screaming about banning guns, as we all know that is simply not possible or logical, and the rest of us who understand and respect our amendment rights should be working together on this specific problem. There are too many guns in the hands of unstable people.

Now, in this case, this young man purchased his gun last year, and was diagnosed with mental illness this year. I would think in a case such as this, he should have been asked if he owns any guns or weaponry of any kind that could be used to harm himself or others. This information, and this information ALONE (everything else is doctor-patient confidentiality) should be released to the proper authority to remove his gun and license to own a gun. A very specific solution to a very specific problem.

People snap. Things happen. How many of these stories do we read that the family and/or neighbors are shocked at what people do? And how many are they not shocked at all?

Guns are great aren't they?

As a gun owner I completely agree that it is way to easy to purchase a gun. I bought my first handgun(first gun of any kind) a few weeks ago. I walked into the store and asked if they had the one I wanted, they did. Within 30 minutes I was walking out with a gun, 4 magazines(it came with two, and they are not CLIPS) and 100 rounds of ammo. I am pro gun but this blew my mind to be honest. I did not have to show any sort of knowledge about the gun, or knowledge of safety or anything. I just had to show my license and have a 5 minute background check done.

I did, the next day in fact, take my CPL class and learned to shoot my weapon. However, that class too is a joke. As long as you are there for 8 hours and you don't shoot someone you pass. Some of the things I saw other people doing scared me while I was in the range. Once I get my CPL I can now bypass the federal background check done in my state to buy handguns.

I don't see banning any of the current available weapons as a good solution. I would however be all for some sort of training and licensing system. You don't have to register your gun but you will need a license to buy it. I don't count my states CPL requirements as sufficient for this. Proper training and testing I feel would help weed out those that want one just because it is "cool". It would also force people to get the training I feel is necessary to own I firearm. I plan on doing more classes as they are available to be a better gun owner.

The Regular Guy,

Its because we tried everything you anti-gun nuts are proposing. We have tried bans, limitations, etc, and they never work. Guns are used way more in self defense than in murders, suicides, accidents, etc yet NBC doesnt report on those, so you anti-gun people think it doesnt happen. Even a study by the Clinton administration showed guns are used 1.5 million times a year in self defense. He also called for police to be put in schools before the NRA president ever did. There is more violent crime in Australia and Britain. The reason we arent pushing for more control or changes, is the murder rate wont change with legislation, and we dont want a restriction of rights so some scared anti-gun people falsely feel safer. The problem is not as big as NBC, ABC, CNN, etc make you feel it is with their constant shoving of gun stories up everyone's arse.

Mr. Burns, Do you think cars should be registered? I want the same thing for guns as for cars. No more than that. I'd just like to be reasonably sure that my neighbor isn't going to come home from a bad day at work, and decide that I'm the cause of his problems and come looking to get even. If you want to live in a combat zone, I'm sure that can be arranged.

We've got a crazy problem here? I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say...

Bath Salts

While it could be something like bath salts or some other "drug", what we seem to be seeing with a lot of these cases are some type of prescribed meds being given to a person with "mental issues"...there has been hardly any long-term research done into these meds, but you know, big pharma controls a lot of people in our government.

what's the problem? If only EVERYONE had guns and practiced vigilante justice, that would solve all of our problems, at least according to Wayne La Pierre.

We've got a crazy problem in this country.

Its called liberalism.

GM Scooter

Another sane person sets the house on fire, kill a person, wounds another then calmly walks to the back of the house and committs suicide. Glad he did not have mental issues no telling what he would have done.

IA.ScooterTramp Ignoring author

Barry speaks tonight after weeks of anti gun stories, nope no agenda here. Wheres the reporting on The real issues?

The 'rea' agenda is noy Obama...it is the media...since when has so many gun stories showed up every single day??? Unbiased reporting?...no friggin way....

.....nnnnnnnnnnooooooooo.....

We have a news media that can report, immediately, to all people in this country, when something happens that used to get NO PRESS nationally.

YOU have a problem by correlating tragedies like this one with your imagined 'problems' this country has.

Did you know our country is getting safer? Significantly so over the last 30 years.

Why do you suppose the media is trying to convince you otherwise?

Mostly a problem with young American males raised on guns, drugs, porn and warfare games since the early 1980s.

Half of the country is bat@!$%# crazy, the other half in despair over losing their homes, jobs and trying to protect their family from the criminals, gun nuts and inept bureaucratic processes that endanger everyone. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide - unless you pull up stakes and move to another 1st world country, and that's really, really expensive. One can always hope to win the lottery and locate to a gated community, though the govt. will take half, so you might end up in a gated community next to a trailer park of meth cookers or a prison.

Yes, there's a great conspiracy afoot to go after angry whitemen and take their guns away. That's right. You heard it here first. So spend all your money on guns and ammo, and start spitting out libtard in every sentence. Or just be the sullen quiet type. Your choice.

Sadie -

Bingo!!!!

And the drug lobbyists have way more money than the NRA. But, the sheeple have spoken. It is a Pavlovian response.

IA.ScooterTramp

We've got a crazy problem in this country.

Its called liberalism.

The Conservative years...

October 2002 - a series of sniper-style shootings occurred in Washington DC, leaving 10 dead.

August 2003 - in Chicago, a laid-off worker shot and killed six of his former workmates.

November 2004 - in Birchwood, Wisconsin, a hunter killed six other hunters and wounded two others after an argument with them.

March 2005 - a man opened fire at a church service in Brookfield, Wisconsin, killing seven people.

October 2006 - a truck driver killed five schoolgirls and seriously wounded six others in a school in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania before taking his own life.

April 2007 - student Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people and wounded 15 others at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, before shooting himself, making it the deadliest mass shooting in the United States after 2000.

August 2007 - Three Delaware State University students were shot and killed in “execution style” by a 28-year-old and two 15-year-old boys. A fourth student was shot and stabbed.

December 2007 - a 20-year-old man killed nine people and injured five others in a shopping center in Omaha, Nebraska.

December 2007 - a woman and her boyfriend shot dead six members of her family on Christmas Eve in Carnation, Washington.

first impression,

It doesnt matter who the president was. The disease of liberalism is always thriving.

first impression,

It doesnt matter who the president was. The disease of liberalism is always thriving.

This is not a gun control issue, I am sure that the gun was on campus illegally or at least in violation of school rules. Laws will never stop the nuts , hell bent on killing. More restrictive laws will only hurt those of us who want to be able to defend ourselves.

Did you read the first sentence of the article? This was off campus. The school had nothing to do with it.

Maybe this shooter wasn't a "bad" guy with a gun, but high, drunk, or mentally disturbed. In the final tally, does it really matter to the dead guy what the motivation was for using a gun against him for wanting to put out a fire.

Princess, people in the country need to grow up, and realize that no one is coming for their guns. It is no different than letting a drunk get behind the wheel of a car. If he is incapable of making rational decisions while in the possession of a tool that could hurt or kill others, all of us should have the ability to take his tool away until he has his faculties. It is not about your gun loving second amendment, because if it was .... you would be able to keep your musket, rod, flint, gun powder and pellets.

While you are making your blanket statement, please cite ANY policy or proposed law by any lawmaker that will make it mandatory that you give up your gun.

"people in the country need to grow up, and realize that no one is coming for their guns." Have you read about the new gun laws California is trying to pass? They actually state they want to take away people's guns....

Pen

please cite ANY policy or proposed law by any lawmaker that will make it mandatory that you give up your gun

Do your own homework, Google laws before the Senate state of Illinois. Jan 2013

Why don't you read up on what is going on in NY with Cuomo and his henchmen. He originally wanted to confiscate all sporting rifles. They are also making it illegal to own magazines that hold more than 7 rounds. Residents have one year to sell the magazines out of state. Forced sale, confiscation, etc., the bottom line is the same--people's right to own firearms is being removed one piece of legislation at a time. NY provides a great example how the anti gunners work. The 10 round restriction was apparently not enough so it's being further restricted to 7 rounds. When that's not sufficient, it will go down again until finally all we will be left with is single shot, muzzle loaders. I'm sure that the likes of you will be completely OK with this since it will be "reasonable" in your eyes. Meanwhile, all the senseless murders will continue because the bad guys won't be obeying the laws.

I guess we won't be hearing back from Wordsmith. That was too easy.

Most of the crazies that pull these stunts start out as ‘good guys’. Then, over the years, something changes that. There’s the problem. Gun registration should be an annual duty as a responsible gun owner. Show that you’ve not become demented and that you haven’t sold that gun without paper work to a ‘bad guy’.

Gun owners should also pay for insurance for every gun they own. The insurance money pays for hospital care of gun violence. This also helps curb the arsenals some crazies amass. Make it become too expensive to own 100 guns.

They may not, but I see alot of "Guns and Nut Mix" being served to us by the media lately.

College kids are generally 18 or older. What's that got to do with it?

You have to be 21 to own a pistol.

What is a college kid doing with a gun? Look up crime statistics for Prince Georges County.

Minnime, sure they can, as long as they can go to a gun show, or online, or buy from an individual, or have a friend buy one for them (straw buyer). I know a lot of these guns are stolen, but not near all of them. Many of the states that have restrictive gun laws border states that are very lax, so all a person would have to do is to drive 50 miles and get whatever he wants. That's why we need universal laws.

Yep... obama's predator drones would have stopped this.

Wow William, you're in need of more help than I originally believed.

"dystopia". It's a big word, huh?

Try real hard, four-legger. You can do it!

So the amount of gun violence is fine with you, what you're upset about it is letting people know about it? That's like thinking the problem is the person who reports a crime, not the person who committed the crime. Do you think problems magically go away if we just ignore them?

Yeah: And I checked the dates on some. They are dragging up old stories. Anything to keep the anti-2nd amendment folks stirred up.

So, we shouldn't have to hear about the 85 people who are killed with guns every day, right?

Nothing to see here. Move along....

If your only defense against publicity is to claim media bias, your argument for pretending there isn't a problem and doing nothing about gun violence is doomed.

The more publicity, the better. Face reality and do something about it: we have a gun violence problem.

"We have a gun violence problem." Absolutely no question.

Want to cut it in half? Lobby your representatives to crack down on gangs. They are responsible for at least half of gun villence in the country according to FBI statistics.

Now, you will be fighting an up-hill battle. In 2005, the House passed a bill that would have had an impact on gang violence (Google 2005 Gang Busters Act). "La Raza" (the race) and African-American lobbying groups had it killed in the Senate - it was discriminatory, don'tcha know?

What's that? You'd rather tighten up control on the law abiding?

OK then.

Rights come with responsibilities. Law abiding gun owners should expect that their right to bear arms comes with the responsibility of complying with rules that are designed to prevent legal guns from becoming illegal guns - rules like 100% background checks with 100% of states participation in the database and 100% registration of all guns.

Illegal guns don't simply materialize out of thin air - they start out as legal and the system loses track of them when they make the transition through theft, loss or unregulated sale to someone who has no business having a gun - criminals and the mentally unstable. We need to put tighter controls on that transition point and gun owners should welcome the opportunity to prevent their weapons from falling into the wrong hands.

That is, assuming gun owners are actually willing to take responsibility for their right to bear arms.

It won't stop all gun violence, no system is perfect, but it certainly will reduce it, as evidenced by many other countries where exactly that result has been seen.

Where do you think news about shootings should be published?

Nonsense. This story only describes three of the dozens of people who died at the wrong end of a gun that day.

Actually only two died.

I stand corrected. On average, 85 people die every day due to gun violence and about three times that many more are injured but survive. This story is just background noise.

Yeah, but wouldn't the ROOF have been on fire?

:-)

So, let's do something to stop making it so easy for those people to get their hands on a gun.

Nobody is trying to blame an inanimate object for anything. It's a question of how easily people can access a lethal weapon who have no business being near one, and preventing it before they do the damage. Law abiding gun owners shouldn't have a problem with that. That's part of what it ought to mean to be a responsible gun owner.

I have no problem with registering criminals and nut cases....

See how easy that is. We agree on somthing.

Register the guns too.

Only if you're willing to give them more than 2.

First time is a mistake. Second time, you're too stupid to have learned so , bye bye.

Only paranoid people need to carry guns!! I survived an attempted rape yet I still do not feel the need to carry a gun. I also survived an abusive relationship of 4 years yet I still have no need to own a gun. And look, I am still alive!! No one died either. Oh yeah, both had guns that were legally owned.

Julieann -

Congrats. I am glad you survived. Are you confident you will survive the next attack? I would submit that you have been lucky - or maybe you are martial arts trained?

I'm wondering why anyone would stay in an abusive relationship 4 minutes, let alone 4 years.

Julieann...Come up to Alaska and visit out in the middle of the wilderness for a while... You get no guns to feed yourself or to protect yourself (BTW bear spray doesn't work on moose).... How do you like your odds??? I prefer to stay a little "paranoid" (your word = staying safe is mine) than to end up dead because of the big bad furries up here.....No I am not a "gun nut"... But I firmly believe in having a gun or two for protection and/or hunting. Besides...for a cop to show up at a lot of houses up here requires a day or two....I would take my chances at shooting the idiot breaking in over waiting for a cop......

So the black market weapons 'owned' by gang members are 'legally owned'. The guns 'owned' by felons (who are prevented by law from legally owning a weapon) are 'legally owned'. Glad we got that cleared up. Rational people do differentiate between whether or not the person holding the gun is a legal owner or 'someone who managed to get their hands on one'. That is why more gun laws aren't going to make a rat's ass bit of difference. More stringent definitions on what defines a legal owner aren't going to matter any more than the current definitions (which already state crazies and criminals are barred from gun ownership). So what exactly does anyone really hope to accomplish?

You seem to contradict yourself. On one hand you say you can't legislate morality because moral people will do the right thing, regardless of the law and immoral people will not do the right thing regardless of the law but then you say the lack of morality legislation has lead to a "No rules demoltion derby"