There is no way anyone can condone what Dorner has done. Murder is always wrong. However, it does make one wonder if the firing was justified. If he was indeed harassed, bullied, called derogatory names, etc. and punished for reporting bad actions of other police - those people do have to accept some responsibility in this situation.

But that would require selfless devotion to a principle that is higher than even your own life. Not many people have that kind of devotion. So lets not be too quick to judge the men and women who do.

Please tell me you're not talking about the LAPD.

Veeco

I've seen blacks living in Mexico.

Trust...that's the problem, they don't...lol

Veeco-tend to agree. I believe he is in LA being aided by friends.

Lee-I too have seen blacks living in Mexico. Kind of my point.

Every policeman and woman needs to have a mental health exam every six months to be sure that he or she can peform their job if they cant pass they should be let go.. How do we know if the person behind the badge is sane enough to do their job???

Lee, so have I. I was trying to be funny. But you gotta admit it is VERY rare to see a black man in Mexico.

What I don't get is why the feds think he went to Mexico. That would be a stupid move, unless he has no plans of ever returning to the US. It's easy to cross the border into Mex...not so easy coming back.

Aint thats the truth! I have to give it to him. He is very smart and LAPD is on the dumb side.

While I do not condone Doners revenge method, I could not agree with you more, that this man has been framed for snitching about the corruption within the LAPD, as have many who have snitched before him. I also believe that there are some inconsistencies with his current whereabouts and his life-story in order to suit the needs of the LAPD. It is amazing what the LAPD will do to contrive certain stories about anyone who snitches on them. They will spin negative stories to discredit those trying to bring forth truth about corruption and abuse in the LAPD. The police intend NOT to bring this man back alive, as dead men tell no tales. Also, this whole thing about the LAPD reopening Doner's case to see if there was any corruption on their part, is like asking the mafia, if they have been guilty of any corruption and murders they have committed. Frankly, they need to bring in an objective investigator with no connections to the LAPD. I do suspect if this investigator found any evidence of corruption, they would have him mysteriously disappear.

Yes, there has to be a reason why he has not been found, they must kill him, or let him run off, even if he has killed a couple of people, so he does not talk at any circumstance, they might remember when the City was burning last time (he is black)-----Remember the police shoot and kill 2,7 people every day in USA; can you imagine someone on an international basis would start asking questions, when all these killers(police) had to be arrested and executed, like they do to ordinary people every day (equal rights compared to police people)---what a can of worms that would be?

PS: the Western world already know about the police killing a total of 13 people every day here by chasing the public into telephone poles, or simply shooting the public, but no one seems to care here until they have one of their own children killed by police. Remember 100 people are killed every day here by guns as well, and 3 of those are done by police, the single worst group of killers (like 10 times more gun killings than regular gun people)--So this could be interesting with regards to gun control.

In Reply to Disgolfdave, I haven't seen ANY Proof that this man killed anyone. Remember Innocent until proven guilty, How do we know they didn't set him up? I don't have any proof except for a manifesto that he supposedly sent, Can they even prove that? How do we know his FB account wasn't hacked, .. I don't believe a word out of the LAPD's lips. It's sad how the media has the power to convict people with no trial. If he did do it, I hope he'll do the right thing (unlike his fellow ex-coworkers) and turn himself in. But it smells bad.

Veeco--you're kidding, right? VERY difficult to come back from Mexico? Tell that to all the border jumpers, many of whom don't have the benefit of training, guns, and English. He can use that border as a revolving door if he wants...NOT like we have a fence.

fIRST i WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT TOO MISTER FRIZZBE GULF MAN/// hOW ABOUT ASKING WHY THEY PUT SO MUCH INTO GAURDING THE BORDER FROM DORNER ? Seems even the reward is enough too question truth. I dont know all the facts ; However the actions to catch him dont match the crime when you see how different the efferts to catch him are from others who have commeted worse. If you look at the reward, the efferts to secure the border, the massive man hunt , the media an all the rest IT SCREAMS CATCH HIM TO SHUT HIM UP..... The crime of murder is wrong..!!! Yet as was mention by another I have to wonder by the actions of the officers ECT IF IN FACT HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH an that there is alot more they <cops> are afraid he will disclose.... WAKE UP PEAPLE>>> SEE things for what they really are!!!!!! Yes I wish him succses ;However Because I Murder IS WRONG I become split..

In todays world The supposed victom is always denied acces to tell his side or get a chance at real justice... There is curuption in all walks of life an each of YOU are to blame just as I am. I closed my eyes let them deal with it themselves because it didnt effect me. ::OR SO I THOUGHT... If the media isnt corupt why wont they show his dvd ? I wonder because the media sells everything using sex then uses sex to condem peaple... I see the same B.S. Here with dorner. The one truth I know is YES there are corupt COPS ::ASWELL AS VERY GOOD ONES... Maybe it is time our GOOD LAWINFORCMENT FOLKS HAD ARE BACKING IN EXPOSING THE CORUT ONES>> How about restoring integrety FOR REAL!!!

Love my nation

God speed for Humanity.

Bundgaard--really? the police CHASE perps into telephone poles? NO blame on that person for EVADING capture by running? NO blame on that person for NOT yielding to a vehicle (or 20) with flashing lights and siren.

lmao- this guy had a plan from the very beginning and he threw off the LAPD around every turn, so far. He burned out his truck in Big Bear to make it appear he was heading to the mountains and left by another means to go toward mexico. One report I heard stated that someone that looked like him was seen purchasing several scuba tanks before this event took place. More than likely he went underwater past the border and found transportation to Panama, intending on going to S America where he can blend in and disappear for good.

Even if the authorities catch up with him he won't go down without a fight and will probably take himself out before being taken.

Kristine, you are so right! He probably didn't kill anyone! Just like Casey Anthony would probably make a great babysitter, and Jodi Arias would probably make a great girlfriend.

I have to agree with the comment that police/law enforcement shouldn't be be doing internal investigations.

It should be done by an independent organization.

This will only strengthen the image of police/law enforcement officers.

I read Dorner's manifesto from start to finish. If he actually wrote it, then he is an intelligent man who has been pushed into a corner. I'm not condoning murder, but as one other commenter said we have seen no proof that he was responsible for these murders. Perhaps he was set-up. In his manifesto he asks that his brain be preserved for research. He is expecting to be killed, either by his own hand or by law enforcement. He is not expecting justice. He has his own form of justice.

Last Saturday the local media reported that his truck had a broken axle. If that is true, then his best laid plans were blown out of the water. He left behind guns and survival equipment and possibly only took what he could carry. It's been extremely cold in that area the past few days and unless he had a safe house ready, I really wonder if he could have survived, unless he had help. The smart thing would be to hang low for a while and let the dust settle.

unfortunately, the police are about to blow his ass away and we will never know the truth about WHY he was fired to begin with and who covered up what

He cannot be in THREE places at once: Big Bear, San Diego, nor Mexico.

So which is it ?

Just on the news, in Big Bear, they just asked the news helicopters to pull back and not report, I guess they are about to send in a drone and don't want anyone too see the "silencing of Dorner!"

Cops are "blacking out" everything, and everyone from seeing what they are about to do.

I hope he gets away.....

He's a COWARD

LOL!!! And what do you call cops who handcuff someone than numerous of them commence to beat the @!$%# out of them? I guess you call them hero's.

I'm just wondering how many people here would not be supremely irked to see their car being stolen, no matter what position they have previously taken on Dorner.

I am reminded of a Mad Magazine cartoon from the 1970s showing two panels, one with a man praying as a thief runs away, and one with a man screaming in anger as a thief runs away. The successive captions went something like this: "A man steals from someone else and you pray that we would all try to understand his horrible childhood and feelings of helplessness..." "A man steals from you, and you insist that he be hanged or shot...after torture."

Moshuluu, try beefing up on your reading comprehension. You say: "LOL!!! And what do you call cops who handcuff someone than numerous of them commence to beat the @!$%# out of them? I guess you call them hero's."

Um, no, I didn't call the actions of other cops heroes (you also need to beef up on spelling and punctuation). What I said is that MURDER is MORE WRONG than the actions he labels corruption. The ends don't justify the means.

I think the guy is crazy. He killed those people as revenge. If anyone thinks the cops are going to conspire to kill not only 2 innocent people, but one of their own (and don't forget another cop is recovering from being shot) because they don't want Dorner to talk about how his commanding officer kicked a suspect, then you're as crazy as this guy is. Even if the commanding officer is found to have kicked the suspect, what do you think will happen to her? Admin leave for a month? Slap on the wrist? But instead of letting Dorner talk about that, they set him up to take the fall for 3 killings? Really???

If you read his manifesto, they you'll see that he has had a persecution complex since he was a child. He was punished for hitting another child who called him the "N" word. That child was punished too. But Dorner didn't get that 2 wrongs don't make a right. He felt that he had every right in the world to hit someone who called him a name. It seems that he still hasn't learned this very simple lesson. Even if he was wronged by the LAPD (and I say IF, because to me he looks like someone who is just pissed off that he was told that he wasn't good enough), then he has every right to be angry, but he has NO right to kill innocent people to take his revenge. Most level headed people want to see him go down in a big way. Especially those of us in the LA area. We don't need this mad man running around shooting at whoever he is mad at today or anyone else who gets in his way.

Just on the news, in Big Bear, they just asked the news helicopters to pull back and not report, I guess they are about to send in a drone and don't want anyone too see the "silencing of Dorner!"

(chuckle) Probably not, he might be a good enough shoot to down a helicopter or maybe its part of a negotiation...or maybe a hostage...point is, youi dont know @!$%#. But hey, I know you civil-war fantasy types insist its all a conspiracy of some sort.

Oh and by the way lets say your law enforcement So, what would be your alternative be moshuulu?

@Number5, Technology has invented a cool tool for those who didn't finish the 7th grade!! It's called, "spellchecker"!!! It's easy! Just click and viola! Your rant was making my eyes bleed.

They asked the helicopters to pull back so as not to give away the positions of the officers, because Dorner might be watching TV.

Sally Lu, you're only going to egg on Dorner's rabid fans to saying that they wanted to disturb Dorner's TV viewing because they didn't want him to watch the State of the Union Address!

They don't want any witness to show how he will be shot.

#1.1 Discgolfdave - A reasonable post. Makes no sense that it was collapsed.

watching: Fortunately, our laws would immediately excuse you from his, or anyone else's jury. Do you really have any idea what is the purpose of the American justice system?

I wonder if they tried to ID him first before shooting.

There is no way anyone can condone what Dorner has done. Murder is always wrong. However, it does make one wonder if the firing was justified. If he was indeed harassed, bullied, called derogatory names, etc. and punished for reporting bad actions of other police - those people do have to accept some responsibility in this situation.

No one is saying what he has done is right.

But many definitely feel that if his accusations come to be true, that the LAPD led him to this because he tried through the appropriate means (court/appeals) to have this resolved and they screwed him over because of the panels and favoritism in the department to protect their own.

It's very unfortunate but sometimes things like this have to occur to bring about real change. Whether it's something like this, the Civil War, the French Revolution, the American Revolution and so on....but you hate to see innocents hurt or worse...killed.

I mean...you know the phrase

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.

Those tyrants could be the LAPD and their officers who scorned and spurred this guy.

Again, no one wants anyone murdered or shot and you want a peaceful resolution as always...but the reality is that sometimes, it's just not possible.

I really am waiting to see what this internal/external investigation of LAPD and his case being re-opened brings about.

Funny how you can get the entire force and more to look for one guy cause of making a manifesto and killing 3 people? With one being a cop? Now just think they did this for every murder suspect on the run.

Lets see if we get any copy cats in the future. Make a threat, take down a cop, go on the run!!

I would like to clarify. I don't support his violent response in any way.

But I stand by my opinion, that his allegations should be investigated by an outside body. I also stand by my statement that too many Police are out of control bullies, abusers, and liars, and the government needs to do something about it. How much evidence that something is rotten, is enough??? How many people need to come forward?

Hey, DemonSeed... I'm all for calling people out on their spelling and punctuation errors, but if you're going to do so, make sure you don't have any in your post. You've referred to a musical instrument (viola) instead of a French watch-me-pull-a-rabbit-out-of-my-hat word(voila).

HA HA HA

It would be amusing to paddle all of you expert cop-wannabes with a leather holster. Post after post declaring that such a highly skilled professional wouldn't burn his truck and then hang around the same area. He obviously planned to leave the burning truck as a diversion while he went south, right?

if the guy had been smart, he could have worked to expose the "thin blue line" that officers use to cover up the wrongs commited by other officers, then he would have been a hero.

however, he chose vengeance against others and against those that did nothing to him, making him nothing but another violent criminal.

WANT TO KNOW WHY LIBERAL MEDIA IS NOT treating Chris Dorner as the cop killer he is? He loves liberal media and Obama:

Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis Smiley, and Anderson Cooper, keep up the great work and follow Cronkite’s lead. I hold many of you in the same regard as Tom Brokaw and the late Peter Jennings.

Oh, also he hates the NRA and Republicans. Imagine Dorner being a gun-loving, NRA, Tea-Part member and think of the converge his story would receive and the need for extreme gun control coming from Doner's "heros."

I don't give one rip who he is...what his beef is. Murdering people is never acceptable. Period. Allegedly killed these innocent people in cold blood. Cold blood. The second critically injured police officer was shot at least eleven (11) times. Read this nut's manifesto. I don't give one single rip who verbally wronged him where. No excuse whatsoever to take another person's life. PS - am a conservative liberal and yes, I voted for Obama....Bob. Don't give me what if's and all that smarmy crap....no interest. Cold blood.

Isn't there a freakin federal law that gives this guy a shelter from the entire LAPD who clearly have a vested interest in seeing this guy dead.

Catch this guy - try him in federal courts and also investigate LAPD.

But it aint happening. They are going to kill him.

Man, I was kinda hoping he would have made out like Billy the Kid, a real "American" folk-hero!

WANT TO KNOW WHY LIBERAL MEDIA IS NOT treating Chris Dorner as the cop killer he is? He loves liberal media and Obama

boob, you are full of sh!t

MoreJustice: If you kept up with the news, you'd have learned that Chief Beck HAS reopened the investigation to see if there was actually a miscarriage of justice. Also, this man has had MANY run ins because of his warped perceptions....anything that is said to him, he takes personally, even if it was in jest. Trust me, this gentleman has mental problems and probably should never have been allowed entrance into the police department!

Breaking News 4:50 PM Mtn Std time.

A woman who apparently owns the cabins where the suspect is holed up said there is nobody living there and there's no cable, internet or phone hooked up so the guy cannot see what's going on around him. Not sure if the San Bernadino/LAPD/FBI + whatever other authorities are involved want to wait him out and risk more lives or if they should simply tear gas the place and force him out and gun him down if he resists.

Didi, I know the chief reopened the case. That's why I specifically said, an outside agency needs to investigate, the police cannot investigate themselves. That's like the fox investigating the great chicken heist.

And making up stuff about how much a nut he is, is easy to do. Its known as character assassination. And its used by police and prosecutors on a regular basis.

PJ-1795048 - maybe they can give this freakin-guy shelter under one of the funeral awnings of the three people he killed in cold blood. Would make a nice picture for Dorner's manifesto. Get real PJ - get real.

Monus2009 - Billy the Kid - a real American folk-hero. Perhaps you can send a nice card to the families of those Dorner killed in cold blood - remind them their family members were killed by an American folk-hero.

MoreJustice...making up stuff about how much of a nut he is....is his manifesto....yaaa I know allegedly. Tell that to the people he allegedly killed in cold blood.

My post offensive enough for your posts. Reread yours -

Its known as character assassination. And its used by police and prosecutors on a regular basis.

true enough, but once the guy started killing innocent people, he lost all credibility and became nothing but another murderous thug.

This is not about the LAPD. This is about a Nut Job. If every relationship Dorner has ends in tragedy, court cases, restraining orders, don't you think that his claim against another officer just might be a LIE.

Dorner accused a female officer of using excessive force against a suspect. The LAPD investigated and said NO, Dorner was mistaken. Dorner wouldn't let it go. So, he wanted a hearing. So, he got a hearing and it was found that the Female Officer acted within the Law. Dorner couldn't stand that so he pressed it further and further until the LAPD had enough and fired his sorry ass.

Dorner expressed in his Manisfesto that since he is Black he is right and since he was found to be in the wrong, as he has soooo many times, he took that as a Racist Statement against him. Straight out of the Left wing Liberal Democrat Play book. Holler Racism and then you will be right.

Dorner has been so used to getting his way, that it ruined him. You are entitled to your opinion but when you can't back it up with facts you are left way out on a limb, just where Dorner is now.

I just heard on the radio that they are looking into the possibility that he got away in a police car down the hill and isn't in the cabin. Heard that on KFI 640am LA. The reporter said it was a "very credible source at the scene". Said he pulled that off with the smoke bombs Dorner used in the shootout and confusion.

Don't know if that's true but they did send a lot of police vehicles racing down the mountain.

Maybe now the LAPD will stop shooting at random trucks thinking that Dorner might be driving.

BREAKING NEWS: One officer killed after shootout in hunt for Dornan.

That makes four dead. One critically injured officer still in Riverside hospital. One officer hurt/shot in this most recent shootout.

Well get ready folks your time will be coming. Funny how NBC does not FDA Guard shoots 15 yr old boy.

Yes folks armed private security hired by Homeland Security(read Blackwater) shot a 15 yr old. Gee I wonder what the FDA (Food and Drug) is cooking up in BOTHEL, WA.

seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Guard-shoots-at-boy-15-at-FDA-office-in-Bothell-4263146.php

ha its funny liberals think this guy is a republican, republicans think this guy is a liberal, all the idiots are calling each other....well idiots, and the fact remains the guy allegedly killed people and the government sent drones after him. A bit harsh for a guy that allegedly killed 3 people, hell they should send out drones for serial rapists as well maybe people would quit being so rapey. Also if they have the kind of money to send drones after a guy who committed murder then why the hell are military personnel having to take a pay cut. Seems a bit wasteful to me. I say if he did it then just kill him and quit wasting tax dollars on stupid things like jail cells.

What this guy did by killing those innocent people is horrible, and evil. With that said...

I suspect that what Dorner claims happened, what he did about it, and his firing from the LAPD has some validity. I believe that an independent party(FBI, California state police, an independent investigation team, etc.) should be the one that re-investigate the incident that triggered this whole thing. If the LAPD reopens, investigates, and finds they did nothing wrong(whether or not its true) very few would take it seriously, and suspect a cover-up(including me). If it turns out he is telling the truth, even slightly, then those that committed the beating, covered up the incident, and those that got him fired are in part guilty of his rampage. They would need to pay for their part in this. The LAPD has some good officers in the department. The problem is they have some very bad ones as well, and the good cops don't seem to do anything about it. Perhaps what happened to Dorner is why.

sounds like Waco...no tv cameras...YUP....that cabin gon'a burn...

It takes a different mind set to be a policeman. Control is a BIG issue.

More Justice

Police are out of control bullies, abusers, and liars

Really? When was the last time you put on a uniform and made it your duty, putting your career above your wife, children, and your own life, to respond to a sick and growing demented public? When was the last time you answered a call for help from a woman/man/child being beaten or respond in all types of weather conditions to risk your own life to protect and serve your community? Our own natural instincts as adults give our brains adrenaline rushes to RUN from danger by a "fight or flight" response. But we hold the expectation that the police will ignore that human instinct for safety and RUSH - RUN to the danger to save us. There are bad doctors who lack character and skills for their jobs, carpenters, dentist's, airline pilots, bus drivers, electricians, bankers, and janitors. And certainly there are a few bad cops out there, no doubt about it. THAT IS WHY THEY GET FIRED!!!! THAT IS WHY THIS PARASITE GOT FIRED!!! When was the last time you watched your friend be buried because he lost his life in the line of duty as a police officer because he just happened to get the call because a drunk decided to fight with his wife and made a 911 call to police? Have you ever known a police officer, gotten to know his/her family? Know what they give up in real life in order to be there when you, your mother, father, sister, family or friends call 911 for help? Have you ever been on a ride a long with your local police department? I highly suggest you do someday....you'd be surprised what the everyday job of a police officer really is.

You rant on about cope being liars and unjust, but not one single word of sorrow or condolence for the children who will bury their father tomarrow that this POS killed or the children and family of the second officer he just killed an hour ago.

You've made your comments today about police and their character. How much character does it take for someone while two officers are fighting for their lives, at the hands of the man you are defending and one just lost his fight a few minutes ago, to make the type of comments you have here this afternoon?

The next time you need the assistance of Police, I hope you take into account that while one is being laid to rest tomorrow at the hands Dorner, the two Innocent people he murdered last Saturday, and the officer he just killed, while all this was going on....you chose to bash police as abusers and liars.

One last thing for all of you who want to take this opportunity to bash police....when was the last time you answered your front door after your husband or wife had left for work, a day like any other day, to find police standing in your doorway with tears running down their faces to inform you, your family member was killed doing their job? If you haven't..... STFU!!!

Maybe now the LAPD will stop shooting at random trucks thinking that Dorner might be driving.

They may stop shooting at random trucks think it's Dorner but they will keep shooting vehicles claiming things like they matched a robbery suspect.

Dorner accused a female officer of using excessive force against a suspect. The LAPD investigated and said NO, Dorner was mistaken. Dorner wouldn't let it go. So, he wanted a hearing. So, he got a hearing and it was found that the Female Officer acted within the Law. Dorner couldn't stand that so he pressed it further and further until the LAPD had enough and fired his sorry ass.

Jimmy Foxx Yeah LAPD never lies. Do I smell bacon in this comment? The Fullerton PD tried sweeping the Kelly Thomas murder by cops under the rug. If not for Kelly's dad they may have got away with it. LAPD is so full of shlt it's coming out their ears. Yeah we know a cop would never beat a perp while he was handcuffed (sarcasm)

OH MY would you knuckleheads stop with the he killed those innocent people.

He has not had DUE PROCESS look it up. He has not been convicted of any murder. But you idiots have found him quilty. My who are you people? Owe bama where he just finds people quilty and orders his death. Even if he did shoot those people, well they were just collateral damage as Owebama would say. Just keep believing everything the government and media says, your time is coming. It amazes me how you folks can have your foot in your mouth and your head in your arse simultaneously

@Rocket Dog - I don't condone what he has done - allegedly - right? All I am saying is catch him alive so that he can be tried in court and also investigate his allegations? What's wrong with that?

he started out standing for what was right for the betterment of all U.S.A. citizens. he gets shot down, he is a hero. we should treat him as such.

@discgolfdave and to any other negative viewer:

1.) The LAPD are the ENTIRE cause of this. This man was a very good man. This man did the RIGHT thing turning in that cop for the abuse of a civilian. This man should not have been fired. Put YOURSELF into his shoes and answer me this...what would you do if you were very good at what you do, and witnessed someone that took an oath to protect and serve our American people attack someone verbally and physically, who in one case, was mentally ill...and then when you do the right thing and turn him in, you get blackmailed because you tried to get someone else that didn't deserve to keep his job fired...You can't answer that because you don't know, you have not been in this man's shoes before, therefore you have no right to judge him.

2.) @discgolfdave: You can not sit there and state factually like this isn't what "set him off". You know him so well huh? I do NOT think so. Maybe if you read the entire manifesto, you would know him a little better. Because obviously you didn't read it.

3.) Everyone knows the LAPD's reputation and I completely agree with some others one here, the LAPD needs to be investigated by an outside source. Because they do not know how to do their job properly, lawfully, or respectfully. They are an embarrassment to our country.

4.) I honestly can say I don't blame him one bit for these killings. It's called KARMA. To him, it doesn't matter if you believe in it or not or if you think what he's doing is right or wrong, he's going to keep doing it because to him that's the right thing to do. They took EVERYTHING he had in his life. If you literally lost EVERYTHING in your life, who's to say what you could possibly do out of anger, depression, etc? You can't say what you would do because YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN PUT IN THAT POSITION. Understand?

5.) This man is standing up for us civilians, standing up for our rights. He wasn't participating and going behind an oath he took to protect and serve and end up verbally and physically hurting civilians. He was trying to get those that were doing that fired. This man is a hero if you can learn to see it in a different perspective. I feel absolutely horrible for this man. This wasn't his life's path. But it's like he said, he's got nothing to lose anymore because he's already lost everything.

LorraineH,

You have made some fair points but that doesn't negate the fact that cops are generally bullies and liars. Due to qualified immunity, they are allowed to get away with almost anything. Look at the ignorant cowardly cops who fired on the truck being driven by a 71 year old woman and her daughter while delivering newspapers. Those cops will suffer no repercussions for their actions. The only time police are even remotely held accountable for corrupt and illegal practices is if they are caught on video. Sometimes, as in the case of Rodney King, even that is not enough.

Often, police will make up laws to harass people. Fabricate charges and/or brutalize people because they didn't feel they were getting the respect they think they are due. Youtube has hundreds of videos that demonstrate the validity of these claims. Imagine all of the incidents that take place when there are no video cameras capturing their conduct. Police are the equivalent of enforcers in the mafia.

Defend police all you want. They get no respect or sympathy from me. I just wish Dorner had taken out some of the cops I've seen in videos who have brutally and mercilessly beaten people even to the point of death.

@ PJ-1795048 - at what cost? Maybe we can send Dorner a nice handwritten note - not typed like his 16 page manfesto - and ask him, ever so nicely - sweetly even - to stop killing people in cold blood - allegedly of course PJ.

Count is four dead. Two shot. How many gimmes does Dorner have.... Tell us....how would you handle the situation?

Fishman -

Considering you are so well informed and knowledgeable regarding Fullerton PD and the Kelly Thomas case, then you must also be aware that Kelly Thomas was banned from his parents home, his parents made him a homeless menace to the community because they could not deal with his violent behavior toward them, they had a restraining order against their son for his violent tendencies and threats to their family and only after he died did his father want to be recognized as his father because he smelled a big fat lawsuit and lots of money. And his father was only a reserve sheriff for only a few years because he could not cut it.

It amazes me how you can type and see the screen with your head so far up your axx.

NBC - "Black smoke and flames could be seen coming from the rental cabin in the late afternoon, but it was unknown how the raging fire started..."

Yahoo -

Overheard from authorities on the police radio channel:

"Hold until we start mop up with fire."

"Still not ready for fire. There's a lot of smoldering."

"More ammo going off."

"Fire doing quite well. I'm going to let it go.""

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/report-ex-cop-fugitive-shoot-police-213309749.html

Gee, I wonder how it started. (sarcasm)

LorraineH,

Considering you are so well informed and knowledgeable regarding Fullerton PD and the Kelly Thomas case, then you must also be aware that Kelly Thomas was banned from his parents home, his parents made him a homeless menace to the community because they could not deal with his violent behavior toward them, they had a restraining order against their son for his violent tendencies and threats to their family and only after he died did his father want to be recognized as his father because he smelled a big fat lawsuit and lots of money. And his father was only a reserve sheriff for only a few years because he could not cut it

How does that justify the beating that Kelly Thomas sustained? How does that justify continuing to brutally beat a man even after he has lost consciousness? Those cops murdered Kelly. You must either be a cop or be married to a cop, judging by the way you try to defend their actions.

Ron

I'd like to thank all of you very much for the lesson today of how cruel and demented our society has actually become, I had my suspicions before, but reading some of these comments this afternoon has certainly convinced me. I don't know what your interaction with police have been, but let me tell you of mine if I may Sir...please just allow me to do this one thing and then I will never participate in comments here again of any kind.

I had the wonderful fortune to have a father who was truly a gentleman. He coached me and my three sister's soccer teams when he could, he was the father on his day off during the week who went on our field trips. He taught us girls how to be kind, compassionate, and how to love. We learned those things by the way he treated us and our mother. He gave everything he had to give to us, when he had the time. The rest of the time, belonged to the people of the community he was sworn to protect and serve. yes, my father was a police officer. He was not a liar, not a thug, not an abuser, he was that guy who would pull yo over to tell you your tail lights were out and where to get a good deal in town to get them fixed before someone hit you and hurt you or your family, not write a ticket. he was the guy who loved christmas because he volunteered to go to the poor part of the community and pass out gifts each year because it brought him so much joy. He was the guy our friends would come over and talk to when they got a fix-it ticket from another cop so he could help them with their car and then sign off the ticket for them. He was the guy who with only 2 - 3 hours sleep would come to our football games to see my sister in drill team rather than sleep before he went back on duty. He was the guy who would gently kiss my mother good-by when he left for work and say...be back soon. He was the guy who got a medal of courage for saving a woman and three men in a liquor store robbery with suspects holding guns on them after already shooting another officer and he rushed in to avoid the shooter killing anyone while he, himself got hurt. He was the one we watched receive that medal and others while we stood there so proud of him. Did he have enough time for us....NO. Did he make time for us....YES. He was the man we were informed was killed doing his job one night just because two people could not figure out how to live in the same house together. He was the man we buried all because he loved his job so much to serve and protect other people - strangers, without even an expectation of an occasional "thank you".

He was a good police officer. He died protecting someone he never knew. He was my father. Shame on you and all of you for your unconsionable comments about ALL POLICE. I hope you never need to call 911 for anything and require the assistance, courage, and strength of a police officer, especially the way you feel about them. If you ever do......try to forgive yourself for the things said here today and just say"Thank You Sir" And please save yourself the efforts to respond to my comment. I will be signing off Newsvine and this is not a comment forum for educated discussion of news events.

LorraineH,

You won't see this but I will post it anyway. I did not state ALL cops. I stated that cops are GENERALLY bullies and liars. Certainly there are good cops and it sounds as if your father was one of the best. It's a shame that you lost him. It's also a shame that you hold his image as an example of what cops are in general. I wish they were all like your father but the truth is not even close.

I still stick by my comment that cops are like enforcers in the mafia. I have encountered a couple of decent cops but most are lying vicious thugs and a primary mechanism for local revenue. There are police who are actually paid by the number of tickets they issue, the number of people they arrest or the amount of drug money they confiscate. That is a surefire recipe for corruption.

Oh, and I will never call police for help. I rely on myself for my own protection. Police almost never show up in time to stop crimes before they are committed. Thank God, for the 2nd amendment.

The problem of many posters here is that they cannot see human beings for the complex people they are. It is possible to be a wanton murderer (killing relatives of people who you perceive as having done you wrong is completely immoral; even if a killing of the alleged wrongdoer were somehow justified, which it was NOT in this case. What did the daughter of the man who defended Mr. Dorner at his disciplinary hearing have to do with anything?) This, however, is not inconsistent with the killer at some time in the past (including at the time of that hearing) having been a victim of racism or injustice. The Police Chief understands this and so ordered an investigation.

It would help elevate discourse, however, if the law enforcement investigation to the immediate situation were more professionally conducted. So far, two separate vehicles have been fired upon, and some people hurt just because some members of law enforcement are either not well trained and/or are running on adrenaline and not common sense.

Condolences to all the friends and families of those who have died as a result of this killer's actions, including the officer today, but let's hope intelligent police work soon achieves justice without others being hurt! (In other words, I am hoping all wounded, including the innocent bystanders recover soon and that no one else is added to their numbers!)

The LAPD has ALWAYS been a corrupt, racist organization.

Anyone catch the story where 7 LAPD opened fire on a 71 year old Hispanic Woman and her daughter, wounding the older woman and shooting up the neighborhood.

The woman and her daughter were driving a truck similar to Dorners when the investigation first started, while delivering newspapers.

The press has trouble printing the truth.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/08/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130209

When you have to call the Police for help, it's already too late. The bad @!$%# has already happened!

Of course you have to notice that there are more comments over here on this story than at the story about the Presidents SOTU address.

But when the SOTU address finished and the reporters had given their 3 minutes of comments notice that they immediately turned to this story!

Can't help but think of February 1995 when Bill Clinton was president and O. J. Simpson was on trial - how unhappy President Clinton was that O. J. was drawing bigger ratings that the president was.

Maybe Dorner did this just to grab the headlines from President Obama?! And now he is the biggest bad guy hero and martyr??

Dorner is a coward. Shooting his own blue brethren often just because they wear the same uniform. Must have sucked to be LAPD not knowing if you, or your family, would be marked for death just for doing your job. Hey, I can understand concern about LAPD corruption yet to bring corruption up in a post which tacitly rationalizes the killing of innocents by this guy AND have 184 likes to your post is whacked!

A few days ago I posted that when they find him they'll find that he ate a bullet. Looks like I will be proved right. No body intentionally burns to death, unless they're a Buddhist Monk back in the 60's. The taxpayers save twice here, no Million $ reward and no food, clothing and housing for the next 20 to 30 years. (California needs to save as much money as they can.) The LAPD is reopening the dismissal case to see if there was in fact any impropriety. Good, that is as it should be. All big city pd's could use some sort of a change of attitude, (racism and corruption) and if you bother to read history at all you'll find that they are a far cry from what they were in the first 3/4 of the last century. Law enforcement worlwide is constantly evolving and it seems to be for the better The fact remains that this person went off the deep end and caused far more damage to innocent people than the LAPD ever caused him. No sympathy here. Glad he's dead, the world will be a better place without him. And that's that.

I believe there is much to this story that will never come out. And while what was done to him if stories are true was wrong, it does nothing to undo what he himself did. What concerns me is that I don't believe that the powers that be ever had any intention of arresting him and putting him on trial because all the dirty laundry would have seen daylight. A tragedy in many ways.

Tundrahombre - Best post yet by someone. You hit the nail right on the head. For anyone to make comments here with the events of this afternoon into the evening talking about LAPD corruption with one officer's funeral tomorrow, another Officer murdered tonight, another fighting for his life in surgery, and two other innocents killed by this misfit of society and the first poster gets 184 likes. Proof of the ridiculousness of people. Glad he's dead. He was a threat to every officer and their innocent families in Southern California. Bering an ultimate coward, he probably shot himself in the head and with all the tear-gas caused the fire that chared himself. Good riddens.....and thanks for saving the taxpayers a lot of money to prosecute and have the families he destroyed relive their sorrow again and again.

And to Ron B. - You're probably one of the biggest poser's up here tonight. You're the guy everybody knows who calls the police everytime the poodle next door takes a shxt in your yard or you hear kids down the street playing music too loud. And for the stuff you said to another poster just proves what a pxss you really are. I hope that 2nd ammendment writes a good report for your next car accident so your insurance will pay you.

The screaming red headline on msn's front page says that Dorner's body has NOT been found inside the cabin. Click on that headline and you get here - where the article says his body WAS found. BAD reporting.

I'm sorry for Dorner. I have personally witnessed bad cop behaviors over my entire life - to family and friends, and to myself. I worked for a sheriff's office where the sheriff gave me a direct order to take over duties that my supervisor had been wanting to perform for a long time. She told me NOT to perform the duties - so I went to the sheriff, who had given me the direct order. Long story short - I was fired for not following the "chain of command". I was not an active officer, but worked in the records division. And the pig behavior was prevalent even there - imagine what it is like when it involves those who work the streets.

Haven't met a police officer in many years who was not a nazi with an excuse to abuse members of the public he doesn't like. And they treat their own even worse. Police departments are, and always will be, closed little societies where the most vicious get their way. And those they despise end up dead in a burning cabin . . .

Dorner swore an oath to Protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. He did this as an officer in the LAPD and a Lieutenant in the US Navy. I can't help but wonder what broke him? In hindsight, he was definitely a zealot for which he had no middle ground. Also, what was missed in both screening processes? Media reports seem indicate a difficulty with female relationships. But it is certainly more complicated should all of the facts come out.

RIP to the innocent.

LorraineH -

Thank you. Some of us get it.

I am also related to a police officer (actually former - he now works in a hospital, like other "bullies"). If I were shot to death due to someone seeking revenge against him, people here would be dismissing/ignoring/being flippant about my death, too. I get it.

I too have become more afraid of people because of this entire episode.

It's a shame this turd killed 4 people before he got flushed.

@Number5Alive - How can you say the effort that went into capturing him was excessive compared to other criminals? He laid out a manifesto of who he would kill of civilians(family members of LAPD) and LAPD and said he wouldn't be taken alive. That makes him extremely dangerous. At least he didn't kill the man he carjacked or the couple he stole the truck from but I think the police believed he would kill anyone he encountered.

It's just too bad that rather than letting this fester in his mind, he didn't try to have an investigative reported do a story or try to get this into the headlines whenever there was a story on the state or national level about police brutality. It will be interesting to see the results of the review of his case.

I read his entire manifesto. He sounds like a nut job. The rambling nonsense is what you would hear on a psych ward. Yeah he is or was a real folk hero. Dorner, you can say "hello" to another punk, Trayvon Martin, when you see him.

John - What dirty laundry? Did you research anything about this mutt in the last few days at all or even read his 12 pages of ramblings dating back to the injustices done to him in the first grade? This guy had a problem with everyone he ever came in contact with. Accused teachers in grade school of harrassment and racism, accused princlials in middle school of targeting him with racist remarks yet he went to a predominantly black school and the Princliple was also black. Had run in's with the law for harassment of women. Had problems with being reassigned three times while in the Reserves. When called up and activated for service in the Navy, LAPD continued to pay him the difference between his regular pay and military pay, paid his medical trust benefits, gave him extra time off with pay after his deployment was over. This guy Dorner had a sketchy background to begin with. He did not meet the mental capacity guideliens for the marines that is why he was a reservist in the navy. He falsified police reports, that is what he was fired for and LAPD decided not to prosecute him. He lost 3 jobs in Las Vegas due to poor performance and aggressive behavior toward superiors. The only laundry list is that LAPD does a shixy job of hiring people. They aren't very selective and they get people with problems which in turn gives them a bad reputation for having jerks on their department. LAPD is notorious for taking "anyone" and not only LAPD, but the City of Los Angeles hires people just to fill vacancies regardless of qualifications. That's why the city is crap! The only tragedy here is that he killed 4 people, shot 2 more, traumatized victims during his rampage, and caused a lot of families and innocent people a lifetime of trauma. What makes you think that if there was one ounce of truth to his ramblings after being fired 5 years ago that the ACLU wouldn't have been al over this thing. They're not - why? Because he was nuts.

I was sexually harrassed by a police officer once when I was in a very vulnerable position. It was a very humiliating situation, and it made me quite angry. However, I have enough sense to realize that my one bad experience does not mean that every cop is an abuser or that every cop is terrible. That would be like saying that every man is an abuser because my dad abused me. The fact is that we have friends who are cops and they are honest, decent people who would never use their positions to abuse the population. I've read many comments about this story, and it appears that a person's opinion on the story seems to be directly related to their own personal experiences in many cases. I'm trying to view this more objectively.

Even though the murders were "allegedly" committed by this man, he was a very strong suspect since he apparently stated in a manifesto who he planned to kill and why and those people showed up dead. Once a suspect begins to fire at police or even pulls a gun, the police have the right to fire back. It is true that police are not necessarily pure as the driven snow-after all, they are human-but that can never justify anyone taking a vigilante response to something they did and murdering people over it. Apparently there have already been investigations of the incident that led to the cop's dismissal, and it appears that there will be yet another one. I have to wonder that if this investigation still shows that the cops did not use excess force if some of you guys will still not be satisfied and if you will continue to argue that the investigations were unfair.

Of course police have made mistakes-as I said, they are human, and we have seen a number of videos of some of the bad things that have happened when they have gone wrong. For some reason I have found that there are people on the internet who always want to blame the police no matter what and they always bring up those videos as if they are the only things the police have ever done. However, the cops are not always at fault. How many thousands of times have the cops done things right and we have never seen videos of THOSE THINGS? You know why those videos aren't shown on the internet? Because they AREN'T NEWS. They are NORMAL and expected. It's the bad things cops do that are news because they are ABNORMAL.

Black ex-cop kills 4 to many… ½ black guy says lets save the
middle class. Glad I live in an upper class, guarded neighborhood in north San
Diego. I fly around the world with no issues but read all about the issues in
America. I love being an American... I wonder who still does??? Comments are
welcome…

LindaAllen,

The only time I have ever called police was to report a drunk driver careening down the highway. If it were legal for me to shoot his ass then I would not have bothered calling. I do have a carry permit. I would never call to report an intruder. However, I would call to report a dead intruder. Nealy 10 years in the Army Infantry has given me the training to hit what I shoot, unlike those blind a$$ NYPD cops who shot 8 innocent bystanders while trying to shoot 1 suspect.

The only tragedy here is that he killed 4 people, shot 2 more, traumatized victims during his rampage, and caused a lot of families and innocent people a lifetime of trauma.

You don't see the tragedy in cowardly piece of sh!t cops shooting a 71 year old woman and her daughter who were delivering newspapers from her truck? Protect and serve? I think not. Protect their a$$es and serve themselves is more like it. Those cowards will get a pass (and probably a promotion) and the city will settle the huge lawsuit about to come their way. The only people paying for those pu$$y cops' "mistakes" will be the taxpayers.

I am glad they found him and this is most likely over. I think he wound up killing himself inside that cabin rather than suffer burning to death.

I am not condoning anything he did, but it does seem that he did not get a fair hearing by the LAPD. I don't think he did anything that justified his firing from the department. They should have fired his lady cop trainer. She apparently kicked an arrestee after he was restrained, most likely by Dorner. The arrestee said he was kicked and the arrestee's father said that his son told him he was kicked by that lady cop. Just think about it now. If they fired her for lying, instead of firing Dorner, four people would likely be alive today. Again, this is not an excuse for what he did and he got what he deserved today for what he did, but this is really sad for everyone.

Amused Muse,

I too have become more afraid of people because of this entire episode

Does that fear extend to trigger happy stupid cops who "mistake" a little 71 year old latino lady for a 33 year old 270 pound black man and open fire with dozens of rounds? If it doesn't, it should.

Hmm_Seriously?,

How can you say the effort that went into capturing him was excessive compared to other criminals?

Excessive in that the cowardly cops opened fire on 2 separate trucks and the innocent people inside without identifying the occupants. The only identification the pu$$y cops made before opening fire was that the trucks had 4 doors.

Over the years I have heard and read about the terrible things that go on within the LAPD. The LAPD is a terrible crime syndicate. Maybe a few more events such as this will force someone to look deeply into the activities of the LAPD.

Sally Lu: Are you REALLY that naive?

Go read up on the former NYPD cop Frank Serpico, and then get back to me on cops not setting up clean cops to be killed.

another waco,if he did shoot the cops to bad he didn;t get more...it the price of being a cop....

@Rocket Dog, no need for hand written note now.

How about investigating LAPD over his allegations? Or LAPD is above law?

What a LOAD of BS. They didnt get Donner, they had no clue where he was and were being embarrassed daily because they couldnt find him. I guarantee that body will be "burned beyond recognition" and the COPS will bring forward MORE COPS that will SWEAR they saw him "run into the cabin", or "in a window of the cabin". As far as the body, not a problem, they just used one of LAPD's dead victims as a way to dispose of evidence and claiming they stopped Donner all in one swoop.

If anyone honestly believes that they actually caught Donner, you seriously trust Cops WAY too much.

He was fired more than 5 years ago, and he was a member of the very LAPD that everyone seems to want to condemn. How can anyone justify the actions of this lunatic?

Murder is wrong, plain and simple.

Pretty amazing actions by the police - no due process, no intent to ever bring him in alive. How many rounds did they put into the truck with the two ladies - since when is it shoot first? Let me guess, they felt "threatened" so they will be considered 'justified' by the internal investigation?

And they intentionally burn down the cabin he is in?? There were no hostages so no imminent threat that justified killing him on the spot. Amazing that this is somehow ok these days.

And yes, if he did kill anyone he was obviously in the wrong, but I'm more concerned about an institutional law enforement mentality where they are ok killing anyone they want with no fear of repercussions. It has been shown over and over that internal investigations are nothing more than a dog and pony show for the public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc

speculation!!!

nothing, but speculation!!!

MoreJustice:....I AGREE! Do I assume the police started the fire that burned the cabin?

how bout that they went...WACO...

The LAPD probably just burned some innocent guy who happened to be in that cabin, and now can't identify him.

After being beaten brutalized, lied to and about by police in California and other places, I am not ashamed to say the Christopher Dorner is a hero of mine. I am willing to bet the cops that he killed beat tortured and lied about many people. Have you ever wondered why if you spell god the spell cherkers do not tell you to correct your spelling and capitalize the 'G' but if you spell satan instead of Satan you will be corrected. If you are a cop, you are a ZioNazi, if you are honest, believe in the golden rule and the US constitution, you will not last as a cop unless you conevert to a synagogue of Satan ZIONAZI police state thug.

LorraineH,

Im so sorry about your father and i agree with you 100%

and for the general comments

not all cops are bad, they should give him a trail and see where it goes from there just saying.

My prayers go out to those both killed and wounded. Thank god this is over.

LorraineH ,

It's great that your father was a good cop...he sounded like an awesome father and person all around...and it's very unfortunate that he died in the line of duty...however what kind of person/cop your father was is totally irrelevant...cops who kick suspects who are already cuffed and on the ground and cops who railroad other cops out of their careers and slander their name do not deserve the same respect as your father or other good cops like him...i'm not saying i condone everything Dorner has done...but all the cops who were involved in railroading him and protecting that female officer BROUGHT THIS ON THEMSELVES...whether they deserve it or not...if i walk into the forest and kick a grizzly bear do i deserve to be mauled to death? No, but that is exactly what will happen to me...when you go through life doing wrong to other people eventually...especially those who are just trying to do the right thing...you could eventually meet someone like Dorner who has had enough and will flip out and start shooting...whether it's right or wrong what he's doing it is IN RESPONSE to a wrong-doing that was done to him...Karama is a bitch ain't it?