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Subscribe to RSSGunfire erupted during the hunt for former LAPD officer Christopher Dorner, who was charged with murder on Monday. The unfolding drama brought officers to a cabin in the mountains where the suspect was barricaded inside. NBC's Miguel Almaguer reports.
Apart from a rambling manifesto, court filings and the word of former bosses, clues remain scarce as to what was going on in the mind of Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD cop accused of killing four people and engaging cops in a deadly standoff at a mountain cabin.
What does emerge is the profile of an ex-LAPD officer and former Navy reservist who may have allowed years of grievances to fester before erupting into violence.
Southern Utah University confirmed that Dorner was a 2001 graduate of the school, where he majored in political science, minored in psychology and played football. He was a lieutenant in the Navy Reserves from 2002 until the week he went on his alleged killing spree, earning awards for his rifle and pistol marksmanship.
Charred human remains found in cabin
Dorner served in the LAPD from 2005 to 2009 before being fired -- allegedly for making false statements after accusing an officer of beating up a man in training.
It was Dorner’s four-year-old spat with the LAPD that appears to have been foremost in the suspect’s mind as he took off on his rage-fueled flight.
His first two victims, police say, were 28-year-old Monica Quan and her fiancé Keith Lawrence, 27, killed Feb. 3 in Irvine, Calif., as they parked their car on their way to a Super Bowl party.
Quan’s father, retired police chief Randal Quan, represented Dorner during an internal police department review of the case that got him fired.
“I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours,” Dorner wrote in an 11,400-word manifesto that he allegedly posted on Facebook.
In the Feb. 4 manifesto, supplied by the Los Angeles Police Department to the media, the 6-foot, 270-pound Dorner wrote that killing was “a necessary evil.” Dorner also allegedly threatened other law enforcement officers and their families.
“Self Preservation is no longer important to me,” wrote Dorner, 33. “I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09.”
On Thursday, police said, Dorner killed an officer and wounded two more in shootings.
“Four years ago he received his discharge papers, if you will, his dismissal papers on Feb. 9, 2009,” former L.A. police chief William Bratton, who was Dorner’s boss from 2002 until he was dismissed, said on Saturday. “A day of significance in his mind that inasmuch as his grievances all seem to center on his dismissal.”
“He collects injustices and never lets them go, and evidently they finally reached a tipping point that led to the series of violent acts the last several days,” Bratton said. “The last thing that he would want would be to be arrested by the LAPD and do a perp walk. That would be the last injustice, the most significant one.”
"The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!!" Dorner wrote in his manifesto.
On Saturday, LAPD officials said that the department would take another look at how Dorner's case was handled.
The details that emerged about Dorner only became stranger as the hunt intensified. The LAPD said Tuesday that they were going through as many as a thousand tips on where the suspect may have been.
Police search mountains for Christopher Dorner, release new image
The Associated Press reported that 2006 court papers showed that, after dating a woman for six weeks, he had requested a restraining order against her. Dorner said the girlfriend had posted his LAPD badge number on a website called dontdatehimgirl.com, according to the AP.
A video posted on the celebrity gossip website TMZ appeared to show Dorner purchasing scuba gear on Feb. 1 at Sport Chalet in Torrance, Calif. Police said Tuesday that they were not certain whether or not that man was Dorner.
The possibility that Dorner might have fled to Mexico arose in a criminal complaint filed in Feb. 7 in California’s Central District Court. Early that morning, a San Diego boat captain said, Dorner had tried to steal his boat to flee south across the border, according to the complaint.
Dorner’s wallet and identification cards were found near the border with Mexico, according to the complaint.
Then came the dramatic scene in the mountains near Big Bear Lake on Tuesday afternoon.
Sheriff’s deputies responding to a report that someone matching Dorner’s description had stolen a car exchanged gunfire with the man, according to police. Two deputies were shot, and one later died.
The suspect then was trapped in a cabin, which later erupted in flames and burned to the ground. Officials on Tuesday night were waiting to enter the charred cabin to search for any signs of a body.
NBC News' Tracy Connor, Daniel Arkin, Kari Huus and Andrew Mach, and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
This story was originally published on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:40 PM EST
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It is 5:30 pm west coast time and I was just watching the burning of the cabin that the perp was supposedly in and I saw a person walking around in the shrubs/small trees in front of the burning cabin. No one has mentioned this, but it was probably police, but the person was quite close to the burning cabin.
"a man who allowed years of grievances to fester before erupting into violence"
That's bad, of course, to allow grievances to fester, because they can erupt in violence. He should've just taken Prozac, like the rest of us, and "let it go". Right?
Wrong! Is this really the prescribed way to deal with piling-up grievances, i.e. "letting it all go"????
If you read his manifesto, you'd know he really had a pile of them grievances. And, because this was his End-Of-Life note, he literally tried to put *his entire life* in there. And man, those grievances are what the rest of us call "injustices". Because they were real, every-day injustices every single one of us sees and deals with, and more so, if and when you are not a WASP and especially, while not a WASP you have to deal with the old institutional WASP culture of the government and corporations alike.
I know I am probably talking above the heads of many ... all I am saying is - what do you do if anywhere you turn the "system" is just against you? Didn't used to be like that for me when I was young and blond, it did get to be harder when/as I grew older - this when I notices the discrimination/injustices started to pile up.
Anyway, when you have a pile of grievances, and you refuse to take the Prozac and let it go, what do you do? I believe this is the NRA's solution: armed people standing up to the tyrants, whatever the "tyrants" might be. I do hate the NRA, and I do hate their "guns-for-everything" solution, but I still cannot hate this poor guy, who simply had enough, and everywhere he turned, he got the same smack-back.
Peace, ANV
Dorner hated the NRA. This law breaking scum had fully automatic weapons!
Apparently guns are just for lib-tards brooding over crap that a normal man would just brush off.
I don't want this guy to be made out as a hero. He is not. But, those that are persuing him are far from hero status also. He has some legitamate complaints. Golly gee! you cannot put a political band-ade on it and make it a blue or red propaganda statement. Now what?
Yup! It didn't take long until the 'tard group to move in....
Dorner is not only anti-gun, but liberal and an Obama supporter. Could you imagine if he had ever just used the words "tea" and "party" together in the same sentence at any point in the last four years? He would have been branded as a right-wing nut job. This article purports to offer a "profile" of Dornan, but says "clues remain scarce." Here's a clue, NBC: Dornan is a left-wing nut job.
Anothernewvoter : get your facts straight ! he was just discharged from navy because his appeals he had with the LAPD fell on deaf ears and the Navy decided to kick him out because he lost his appeal ! and that triggered him to take action..
GeoSAPer, whatever floats your boat! Geez, why you think that you can pigeonhole other people and call them names is beyond reality. Isn't that the kind of thing you (as a non "left wing nut job") are against?
GeoSapper (1.5)
What a stupid statement. No doubt from an equally stupid mind.
They don't seem to be publicly announcing much anymore to their screw-up when in two separate instances, trigger happy cops shot up a truck that wasn't the suspects, two women a lady and her mother delivering morning papers, shooting the mother twice in the back through the truck and are now GIVING them a new truck as they heal, and in another case shot up a mans vehicle thinking it was the suspect! Protect and serve folks, protect and serve!
Mike, I have my facts straight. I know why he's doing what he's doing. And I say - I totally understand him. What the heck would I or anyone do in a situation like this? I hope to never have to find out. That's why I said: "I cannot hate this man". I cannot root for him either, because he killed innocent people to make a point. Killing innocent people is a No-no in my book, for any reason. But really, I do hope I never find myself in a situation like this.
I was being sarcastic, and cynical. Sorry, In it does not come thru clear on the Internet. But I absolutely am torn about this one: I don't want him to die or get hurt, and I totally hope LAPD or WHOEVER will try to look back into all the "issues" he reported and got crazy about. Because injustices like this must be addressed at some point, otherwise, get ready for more "righteous" killers like this one.
In the end, I don't know what the answer is. I don't beleive in Prozac and "letting it go", and I don't beleive in violence/killing innocent/unrelated people. But I am also one of those people who chose every time to NOT let it go, and try to make it better for the next one, every time.
I guess I am just wondering what the best way to fight "injustices" is? Ideas?
@AnotherNewVoter
Anv, let it go, find a way to deal with it. The onslaught of the instantaneous over-reporting of all of the ills of the world will eat you up if you let it. Try to put it in perspective - it's always been this way but now we have billions of people communicating at the speed of light all around the globe, all at once. The personal injustices? Do what you can about them and then walk away, try to do someone a good turn and watch how you get repaid 10 times over. Life is precious, even when it gets tough. I have been thankful every single day since 1968 that I have had a chance to have kids, a job, retirement, and a walk in the sunshine whenever I need it.
Who gives a crap, King Putt what political side of the fence everyone is on? That is what you are focusing on? People are dead, the LAPD is corrupt and you investigate how people have been voting? How about investigating instances of corrupt cops? Or how many times the words "police brutality" have been used in connection with the LAPD? SMDH...
@AnotherNewVoter, if society had an answer that gave a perfect solution I doubt there would be so much crap like this in the news.
This chap is not a hero, but the LAPD is going to make him one with their lynch-mob mentality. This person was an American who has to put up with all the "fifth column" of 'newly arrived' foreign Americans and what he was doing is a beginning of a backlash of "African Americans" who will no longer accept the massive invasion and occupation of their country by immigrants illegal or otherwise.
Profile = FRUITCAKE!
The LAPD aren't saying much yet about the "burned body" in the cabin ... If its Dorners .... they can beath a sigh of relief ..... if it's not ....
and is the body of another innocent person ...shot to death by them and burned .....
it might get nasty in LA ...
SPAM
The media has been doing a bang up job of siding with the cops and avoid pissing them off with any real investigative journalism on what Dorner claims in his manifesto. The least they could have done is find the guy who was kicked in the face and interview him about that incident but I guess they don't want the LAPD to retaliate against them in the future and be uncooperative for uncovering the truth against one of the worst police forces in this country.
Also isn't it convenient that the cops used the type of teargas canisters that starts fire and not the crowd control type of gas canister that doesn't shoot out flames. They never intended to take him alive as he knows too much. They wanted him dead and they were going to make sure he ended up that way even if they had to burn the whole forest down to do it.
The LAPD is going to let the next big news story brew up and then when no one is paying any attention they will quietly sweep this all under their billowing rug that is over flowing with hidden reports of corruption and malfeasance.
As officer Ballbrady would say... "Nothing to see here folks, Move along"
How convenient that the cabin burnt down. LAPD must be relieved.
“He collects injustices and never lets them go"
Just like 95% or more of all the other humans on the earth if they are repeatedly wronged and cannot break the cycle.. If something better does not come along and life improves, the outcome is usually not good for these people.
This in no way excuses him for what he did. He is in the 95% and should not feel special or obligated to carry out an injustice against someone else. It just perpetrates it.
"...Dorner purchasing scuba gear on Feb. 1..." That makes sense, since the smoke will kill you long before the flames. An oxygen supply would be a great help...and being a cop, he would know that they would set fire to his position once he was contained. How did he pass the psych profile? Maybe his condition was progressive, and they didn't realize he was a raging psychopath until later...or maybe he was the norm.
@geo - can you link to Dorner's voting record please? Also any links showing that a guy that had a cache of weapons was anti-gun or anti-NRA? Didn't think so.
Dorner was a nut, even if he was someone with legitimate grievances. The LAPD is known for brutality, so he was likely right he watched his training officer kick a handicapped person. Yet he also killed three people. While I have no doubt the LAPD are likely hiding their own bad behavior, he is still a murdering bastard. Keep that in mind. Three families are mourning their dead because of him and a fourth is thanking the Creator that their loved one is alive though wounded. We can never loose sight of that fact.
it is nice knowing some one will stand up for his and every ones rights. Those cops are above the law, go on a rampage for one of there own. **** Shoot I meen if cops act like that to there own what are they getting away with doing to people that can't or are to afraid to protect them salves????? All I could ask for those people is, I ask GOD to give those who got it coming, no mercy. :) thank god for (a EYE for a EYE) we were all made equal like him in his image, not above each other equal. SO my question is, why cops kill people before they can defend there self in the court of law? Protect and Serve, not enforcement I mean (LAW ENFORCEMENT) it should say PEACE ENFORCEMET.
this makes me look at police as if there criminal, legal gangsters (killers, drug pushers, sex a fenders). Are taxes pay's them to do such thing, ARE TAXES!!
Fill safe now, I don't
Here's a other thing I have seen the law teach people to distribute drugs, take from others, hurt others, just so the law have you to bust for the crime. I seen it. They wouldn't get funding (money) from the federal government if there was no one to bust, so they make them to bust.
We will not have peace entail are law stop making the crime.
peace out, live long and stay out of the way of the enforcers. bla bla peace
Another mentally unstable person with a gun went on a rampage. How many times will we have to see people with serious mental health issue going on rampages before we do something about mental health in this country?
There is a good reason this guy got fired from his job. Reading his manifesto, he has obviously had mental issues since he was young. At the very least this guy has had narcissistic qualities since before he was a cop, and before he was in the military. He was never mentally fit to be in either of those two positions. When his me, me me, I am greater than you, self image was shot down, he held on to that anger. A normal person like most of us on here would be upset for a while but then get over it. This guy was a nut job. It is extremely sad that several people had to loose their lives before this piece of work was finally stopped.
This guy deserved to be fired back in the day, and honestly should never have been offered jobs of responsibility in the first place. The current review of a review of a review into his termination will show that he was canned appropriately if not actually kept too long before somebody had the guts to can him.
Are you a qualified psychological profiler? How many alphabet suffixes after your name, ms, phd, jd, etc. Who made you the authority on who this guy was psychologically. Look who trained him to be a killer. The very d-bags who screwed him. This incident of "lying" about what another officer did to an arrestee sounds really bogus.
While there is no justification for Domer taking innocent lives, the incidences which gave rise to his behavior should be closely examined!
king putter - seems like YOU are the nut job that needs to get a life! How do you "research someone" unless you REALLY know what you're doing - which I doubt you do.
Since when did voting records and political views define a person? What a f****ing shame.
@AnotherNewVoter - I agree with you.
@sittingonafence - yea, big media are controlled. They are told what and what not to broadcast. I go for the small independent media who have balls to broadcast anything.
@twodogsloving - read his manifesto and you'll see that he's been pushed around several times by the LAPD before going to the point of no return. LAPD fired him and years later right before he went crazy, he was let go of his duty before LAPD was f8ing around with him. You're basically saying let a bully F around with you on a constant basis and you should just sleep through it?
It amazes me that other criminals who kill and makes headline news get more sympathy because reports claim past child abuse and childhood bullying. And I've never heard anyone bring up political views on these mass murderers.
Why didn't anyone in here call law enforcement nut jobs? They harmed several innocent people who had nothing to do with the case. And they purposely burn the cabin down. That is why they were yelling at reporters and prevented them from going in. I remember law enforcement usually wait out on the suspect and if they didn't surrender, they let K9's go in first and then the swat team. Yet, most of the people here agreed how the law enforcement handled this case. You guys are just as sick.
As Dorner mentioned, there is no way people should be able to purchase the weapons he have. Hmm, maybe he knows all the insides and who is distributing them.
It's an absolute shame and major injustice that this man thought his only recourse was to resort to violence and killing. I've read much of his exhausting manifesto and while he is highly idealistic he does seem to have many legitimate grievances.
I can never support anyone who resorts to killing, but the LAPD and law enforcement generally has a long history of a compartmentalized, separate society that operates to a somewhat different set of rules and justifications than the rest of us. I'm not saying it's criminal or evil but I could see it rising to that with certain individuals in certain situations.
Perhaps a federal whistle blower lawsuit or other legitimate means would have yielded more positive results. We will never know. I do feel that the LAPD bears some responsibility for the way they have handled this mess, and by that I mean long before it came to the point where he was a disgruntled ex-cop.
Dorner, You disgraced everyone who wore the Navy uniform. I won't even address you as Lt..You were a piece of garbage! We had a name for Lt's like you, "Cement Head".
CAR-43....
Tell me how sad of a world we live in that in order to get a case that we know we're innocent in to be re-investigated, we go and do this....
This is not this man's fault. This is what it has come down to and it could've happened to anyone. This man was a good man. It's the LAPD's fault for everything that's happened. They have no one to blame but themselves. They should be the ones getting investigated, those dirty cops. I'm very proud of this man for standing up for us civilians. That's what he's doing. You would know that if you read his manifesto completely through.
You're nuts. Regardless of his story, killing innocent people that had nothing to do with it is justified? You should have gone in the cabin with him.
Are you @!$%#ed in the head? He murdered three people in cold blood. And as a Lt. in the Navy ,he was supposed to leed by example.
And guess who set that into motion?....LAPD are the only ones to blame. Should've seen it coming sooner or later treating people like that...or maybe they just really think they're really that awesome...point is that's karma and that's the way it works. Ever seen Man on Fire? This is what happens when you f*ck with the wrong people that just try to do right in the world and get spit on. Congratuf*ckinglations for just now realizing that.
And this is the LAPD's fault why? He and his wife divorced soon after they were married, and he could not keep a girlfriend, so he kills a happily engaged, innocent couple. What a catch.
I wonder if the people celebrating him are, like this guy, wifeless, girlfriendless, creepy misanthropes nursing a narcissistic grudge and having no home, no woman, no property, or any children to protect.
I don't condone what he did, nor do I condemn him. I do beleive his story, though. The LAPD deserves just as much condemnation, if not more, than this man does. Two wrongs do not make a right, that is for sure.
Thank you for stating it rationally, pj-1015169. I too want to see the LAPD held to just account, though not to die or suffer or be "wiped out" as some commenters have said in recent days. However, those who kill young people in love simply because of the overwhelming coincidence of being related to those against one has a grievance must be condemned as bloodthirsty and cowardly.
If self-preservation is not important to him, why doesn't he just give up?
@AMUSED MUSE:
You took that one a little out of context didn't you? Lol if you actually read the manifesto it states why he's doing this and it has nothing to do with "I never had a family of my own"...It is the LAPD's fault this has happened and I don't expect someone who didn't actually read the manifesto to understand that...So unless you have something to back that up as to that sentence being the reason why he did this...have a nice day. Until then, read the manifesto all the way through sentence for sentence and you'll know why he's doing this. I've read it twice.
He doesn't give up because he has nothing to lose. He's doing this to make a point. Maybe now an outside agency will start taking these situations a little more seriously to better investigate the LAPD and get rid of the people that disrespect their oath to protect and serve. It only took Sandy Hook for people to start taking guns seriously didn't it? That's why I said it's sad that it takes things like this to happen for something to become an important issue when they should've been focusing on it before all this happened.
And by the way, that couple he killed was the daughter of the lawyer and retired chief that didn't support or help him...he was making a point...and apparently got it across. Theyre re-investigating the case aren't they?
amanda
Just stop posting.
I see Amanda's point. She is saying that drastic things need to happen to make people take notice and cause things to change for the better sometimes. I don't agree with murdering the innocent. But in today's world of violence, over stimulation, selfishness and greed that is what our society seems to take notice of the most. If this guy was holding a cheer rally to get everyone to notice what a group of nut-sacks the LAPD have become I doubt we would even be reading this @!$%#.
Well, maybe society would notice the cheer rally if all the women were naked. That is what our society responds to the most, SEX AND VIOLENCE. Goes hand in hand. So everyone who is acting like they would never "justify" the bull@!$%# this guy has caused, you have proved MY point already because this is the thread you are responding to.
Not saying it's right. It's just the way things are. Sucks. But he is a product of our society. Until we care enough to do something about it, then everyone should suck it up. Because it will keep happening.
So do I. Maybe, if she combs her hair the right way, nobody will notice.
Amanda, are you out of your mind? What is it about "I never had the opportunity to have a family, I'm terminating yours" do you not understand? Yes, I dragged my eyes through that manifesto - the 21-page version.
Yes, he killed the daughter of the person who handled his appeal - and her fiance. No kidding he was "sending a message." And that is okay with you?
Well, at least you have backed off of your "shut your f*cking mouth" pottymouth talk. And to think that I admired you for your mature comments in the "Day of Service" thread.
amandajovilly
I read it too, but I believe that sentence was said over the phone to the girls father, not in the manifesto. I think it was after he had already killed her when he said that and continued by saying "I am terminating yours." (family)
Ummm yeah, I wouldn't put LAPD is in the positive light either. Being trigger happy and shot up innocent people in 2 different incidences involving similar pickup trucks. No warning or even attempted to id the drivers. Just saw the pickup trucks and just started shooting. I would not be surprised if these trigger happy LAPD gets off easy. New pickup truck? I'll sue them for all its worth.
DB2-how do you come up with the stuff you do? Took me a sec but what a great way to wake up. lolpmpcomc funny!
Amandajovially...you need to kill yourself. You are so fluked in the head you don't deserve to live. People like you should be locked up in an asylum.
His case was reviewed TWICE in a civilian court and he LOST. He was a pussy in the academy and the night of the incident let his significantly smaller partner handle the larger mental case.
Now he looks to vent his disappointment by killing. He's a POS.
@DemonSeed:
EXACTLY MY POINT!! I never said that it was "ok" for him to kill these people. You guys just think that that's what I was saying and that's not what I was saying. What I said is the LAPD set all of this into motion. You guys would never understand why Chris Dorner did the things he did, because you simply have not been in his situation. You've probably never even been to that breaking point after you lose EVERYTHING in your life.....and until you've been in that situation you never know what you are capable of. Sh*t happens. That's the way life is. I just hope that with everything that has happened, law enforcement starts looking into cases like these a little better. Like I said, it only took Sandy Hook for us to realize we have a gun problem. It's sad and unfair but it's true. What story do you come across on here that has to do with a shooting that doesn't mention SOMEWHERE in the article "in the wake of Sandy Hook"....I still believe Christopher Dorner was a hero in a way that he was standing up for a civilian rights we have to not be mistreated or abused by law enforcement no matter we live. And others agree with me. But that's where I stand, if you don't like it, well that's not my problem lol. I see things the way I see them and you guys see things the way you see them. And I get both sides of a story before I make a judgement call.
BY THE WAY:
Some of you guys are really bad about taking things out of context. I suggest reading things the way they are typed/written, instead of reading things the way you want to read them....I notice this in alot of posts/comments in all kinds of articles. So before you push the "post comment" button to tell someone they need to "go kill themselves" make sure you grow up and and read someones opinions the way they are typed/written because telling someone to go kill themself doesn't make you any different than the murders, rapists, molestors, etc...and then you just sound like a hipocrit for posting it. FYI.
And might I add Amused Muse that I do not live to be "admired". We all have our own opinions and views and I don't sit there and tell someone that I don't "admire" them anymore because they have a different opinion than me on a different topic. That's what makes a person immature. Good for you if that's how you want to talk to people, but that's not the type of person I am. For one, I don't even know you lol. But I don't sit there and tell someone "You immature for thinking this, therefore I don't admire you anymore"...From your past comments, you come off as the type of person that's "me, me, me, I, I, I" and you don't know how to put yourself into someone else's shoes, you've proven that. Not everyone out there is just like you and you need to understand that. Just because you see something one way doesn't mean everyone else sees it the same way you do. In articles like these I've learned to place myself psychologically into these people shoes and I see why they do the things they do. Do I agree with them? Not all the time...There are some cases though, like this one, where I can see both the good and bad. And I state my opinion openly, just like the rest of you guys. I have a right to an opinion too.
i wonder if he nows thinks "geez, wish i left those corrupt officers to karma....wish i explored life in other areas...who said LAPD is the only way of life, only career available to me?." Welcome to planet earth, dorner; life sux. you're not the only one who has and is suffering injustice. if you're not happy with the system of the country (or if they close all doors on you,) move to brazil, or anywhere, and start a new life and family there. There are over 200 countries on earth you can choose from. Now you gonna die and you'll be remembered as nothing but a murderer with no sense of how life and reality works but expects utopia version of treatment everywhere he goes. Your 15 seconds of fame is that of a shame. No wonder the good lord says, "leave vegeance unto me."
He is showing that he isn't happy being treated like this. He is showing he isn't happy seeing those who took oathes to protect and serve beat our civilians and degrade us thinking they have the right to do that. And until you're put in his situation I suggest keeping your mouth shut unless you truely know what you are talking about. You do not fully understand what he has been through. You have no idea what you would be capable of if this had happened to you because it has simply not happened to you. Therefore you have no room to talk on what someone's choices should or shouldn't have been. Might I suggest that to ANYONE who wants to open their mouth about what this man should or shouldn't have done. Because unless you've "been there done that" you have no idea what you would've done because you have not had that experience. People do all kinds of things out of anger, depression, etc. You can't say what you could've done unless your innocence was slapped across the face and you were made out to be the bad person who was just trying to do the right thing to begin with but you got black mailed instead and lost everything. Ever been through that? I highly doubt it. So shut your f*cking mouth.
So, you have also been put in this situation, amandajovilly89? You fully understand what he has "been through" and what Ethioboy allegedly has not? You actually have the nerve to tell people on a public forum to keep our "f*cking mouths shut"? How are you going to enforce that? More specifically, how are you going to enforce that for me?
amanda
It is you that needs to shut your f*cking mouth. You sound pathetic. The man was scum and is a killer and now he is dead, thank god.
Muse, why do you seem to take it personal? The discussion about the cop killer isn't about "you"!
Amanda has a point in airing her opinion just like everyone else. At least she isn't bringing "God" into it and some old world, new testament, "vengeful wrath" BS.
The facts remain what they are: LAPD is corrupt. I do have experience in knowing this first hand. This guy was mentally unstable and went about pointing this out in the wrong way. But it got everyone's attention. RIP the innocents.
Not everyone is the same. There are people out there who can and will snap when the world kicks them around enough. This guy was one of those people.
and jdmbo3, you mad, bro?
Shooting 3 innocent people in 2 different incidents involving pickup trucks. Shot over 30 times in that one incident.
It's funny though. Lot of people driving around with “Don’t shoot, I’m not Chris Dorner. Thank you.” signs all over their cars and wearing tshirts. And the way those incidents went down. I doubt LAPD will even read the dam thing.
Injustice in his mind. His "complaint" was not backed up by anyone else there that night. He stood back while his 5'2" partner battled the over 6', two hundred plus mental case. No injuries were found and he suffered none. Yet this POS only became concerned when it was brought to light that he was a coward that night.
Days later he now brings it up. He started years ago in the academy when he couldn't make the Pride run and chose to ride in a truck. He is and was a loser. Even his girlfriend saw that.
Yeah Amused Muse, why are you taking everything I say so personally? And no I have never been put into that kind of situation before. I just use my common sense and think gee why would anyone do something like this? Then I get both sides of the stories and I evaluate each story and evaluate each person and can then understand why people act out in the ways they do, especially being depressed and having everything taken from their life...I DID NOT SAY WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT OR WRONG. I'm simply stating that I understand why he did what he did. So once again, stop taking things out of context please.
No news till the PD pissing contest is over ..
And now he is up north in a cabin that has been smoked and is burning as of 5:30 pm as if 2/21/2013. LAPD will be put under investigation for shooting two innocent women, mistaken for Droner because of a similar car they were driving.
What is the amount of money spent on security, search and tactical operations...that was excessive, unnecessarily complicated and placed the public in high risk...while cops were trying to protect themselves, catch one of their own guys who had gone Rambo?
If LAPD officers, or ex officers, are going berserk and postal (in popular parlance) what does that say about LAPD? Are there more Droners in the system...or outside? People who are angry and aggressive, disgruntled and irrational...or "mistreated and appropriately angry" (who have been pushed over a line because of ill treatment or corruption in the system)?
And now cabin is burning...without knowing if he is inside the cabin or has escaped. If he is inside? If he is inside is he wounded and immobilized? Or...is he stuck and burning? Will there be DNA evidence?
LAPD has some serious explaining to do with regard to their tactic, delays, unnecessary false information to the public, public scare and shooting of innocent victims who have nothing to do with the fugitive.
Hopefully the fire will not spread. But he is burned alive...Was this torture of a guy who the cops did not like, especially killed someone among their own? This is a strange way to flush someone out. Will there be DNA evidence?
Independent investigation speculates..."Droner is not in that cabin, and was not there when the fire started!"
Is this true?
These are the same folks that can't wait to start flying Drones over your house!
Cops are not comfortable with someone shooting back like Real military soldiers.
This guy had a serious problem with women in a position of authority. That's why he made up crap about her and it backfired on the jerk. I have seen this pattern with his type before. How many of you have seen it too?
Teresa Evans had numerous complaints of brutality against her. Fact check before you open your mouth. The DOJ or any outside agency needs to do the investigation not the LAPD. She has blood on her hands and so does Beck. Unless you live in LA you have no clue what you are talking about.
Exactly! SBS is right. Unless you have been around the LAPD or the LASD, then you have no idea how they operate or what kind of down and dirty bs they really do!
Make no mistake about it, this guy wasn't going to be taken alive. If anything, they killed him in the most painful way possible and there will be a cover up or plenty of PR to make sure the public doesn't know the real story. That is how they operate. The only reason they have "opened" the case again is PR. They said as much. Anyone who has lived in LA knows that the police are scared of riots (like they did in the days of Rodney) and want to try and stamp out anyone who might be a catalyst for unrest.
They could care less about being as transparent as possible. Although that is what they try and sell to the public. I do feel bad about the innocent lives that were lost though. But unless you have lived in LA or WORKED with the LAPD OR LASD, then you can't possibly know how the brotherhood really handles things.
I woudn't be surprised if they burned the cabin down just because LAPD "think" they someone there that look like Chris Dorner. And by the track record of LAPD for the last week, they might have burned the wrong guy. *cough* pickup truck shootings *cough*
The people he held hostage identified him. You do know how to read, don't you?
Am I the only one who's completely annoyed at the headline "Emerging Portrait of Suspect Emerges"?
Holly, yep, I'm with you on that one... and
" ...until the week he went on his alleged killing spree, earning awards for his rifle and pistol marksmanship."
Really unfortunate phrasing. Where's the editor?
LOL, Holly! At least we "understand" what they were trying to say right?
At least they've changed it now. Phew!
Where have you been? his past has been in the papers for days.
His girlfriend who saw him as a nut case.
His failures in the academy.
His cowardice the night of the arrest.
His case being thrown out of a civilian court twice.
So when did you expect it to come out? Weeks before he did anything. Still amazed at some of the incredibly stupid people here.
"a man who allowed years of grievances to fester before erupting into violence"
That's bad, of course, to allow grievances to fester, because they can erupt in violence. He should've just taken Prozac, like the rest of us, and "let it go". Right?
LAPD must be really anxious to getting back to their usual task of harassing unarmed civilians next week. After the smoke literally blows over.
"Emerging portrait of suspect emerges" ?? Really? And all the typos and bad grammar? Who is editing this crap?
They are writing this on the fly. The spelling, grammar and facts will mostly be messed up. Shut up until you know what is really going on. Dumb media.
"A video posted on the celebrity gossip website TMZ appeared to show Dorner purchasing scuba gear on Feb. 1 at Sport Chalet in Torrance, Calif. Police said Tuesday that they were not certain whether or not that man was Dorner. They said they were not sure why the man appeared to be buying underwater gear."
Is he faking death by fire?
Really? TMZ? The cops can't track this dude, but celebrity gossip people can. Why not just ask the paparazzi to find him - probably do a better job.
Not sure what to think anymore - i posted a debate on sidewithme () and am in disbelief that he is being seen as a hero. this guy needs to be caught and justice needs to be served!
its funny how at the time yall prez is speaking that we gonna bring up the ex-cop that went off the edge to keep gun violence fresh in peoples heads and those poor little children too. but its educated idiots that make these laws with no common sense. people need to wake up and see whats going on . wake up people watch alex jones . im tired of all these news people playing and replaying stuff to brain wash people that guns are bad its mentally ill people that kill people.not guns but its ok for the prez to use drones? come one america!!!! p.s. bet that ex cop used an ar 15
He was wrong for taking the lives of others, people see him as an anti-hero because he took on the establishment. But that does not change the fact LAPD is the corrupt problem for sure. They tried to kill 2 innocent women because they wanted him dead so bad. And they killed him to shut him up.
He was not right in killing innocent people for sure, but he certainly was worth alot of money to LAPD and Los Angeles as a whole. Makes one wonder what he had to say or what they have to hide....LA had over a million reasons to make sure he didn't say it.
Or maybe they shot two women because they're inexperienced and scared pissless. (even scarier, but less sinister)
You know what I did went I lost my job? I got a new one.
This guy isn't a hero, isn't something special -- he's a po'd psycho, a self-proclaimed victim and a cold blooded killer of innocent people. Sure the LAPD has it's problems, BUT it justifies NONE of his actions. I hope he's put down soon.
You people are idiots. Dorner didn't kill anyone, see? It was all staged by the stooges at LAPD to set Dorner up so they could silence him. It is a world gone mad and they have you fools believing the whole charade.
Well, the 'truth' to me was the cops who shot an elderly woman and her granddaughter, who were WORKING, rather than 'working the system' and THAT, in and of itself, told ME that they were out to KILL him, and NOT give him what IS legal...a trial.
I do NOT condone his killing, but as has been said above....when a person is pushed and pushed, NOBODY knows what YOU would do if you were in HIS shoes, walking HIS walk...an outcast, who was 'outed' from his JOB because he didn't condone CORRUPTION in his own Police Precinct, and was made a pariah for telling HIS truth. The "Blue Wall Of Silence" is working out REALLY well....NOT....seeing the carnage that has been left behind by EVERYBODY....including those two who shot those innocent WOMEN without even CHECKING to see WHO was in the Vehicle....Point is? They wanted him GONE!!!!!!!!! THOSE Police have NO more right for Vigilante justice anymore than Dorner did....And that is the sad fact of this whole heart-breaking tale! And I'd hazard a guess that when he heard what had happened to those two ladies, he KNEW he'd never see HIS day in court, which WAS his right, the same as it is mine and your's!!!
I agree; I just KNOW PTSD had much to do with pushing his already fragile psyche over the edge into delusion and violence. He handled everything wrong, okay. He coldly and ruthlessly stole innocent lives for no good reason. But we'd be fools not to look into what the heck he was talking about with regard to the LAPD--they don't have the cleanest rep. If there's an injustice, it doesn't make it less unjust when it's brought to light by a crazy person.
Anyone who knows the LAPD could tell you for sure that this guy was a dead man walking. I bet on it when it started. The women that have been shot, they have been downplayed so much most of the people who read the news aren't even aware of it now. The cops know they can do what they want. They have plenty of people who look the other way on their side. That is how it is.
Lucy, Holly, DemonSeed,
Excellent posts.
The LAPD is a terrifying organization. I lived in LA for 15 years and it took me about a week to realize that I was in a police state.
If you join a military or para-military organization in the US you are supposed to look the other way when injustice occurs. If you do not ignore injustice you will not survive in most institutions very long.
Immoral behavior is deeply ingrained in the armed forces, be it the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, or police. Their position is "Might makes right. Period."
I do not condone Dorner's behavior, but it is regrettable to see a good person who goes bad because they were the victim of an injustice.
Dorner went from the very top to the very bottom because he spoke up when he saw an injustice. He is a lesson to every member of the police force everywhere - go along with the system or be destroyed. Same thing for the members of the military - if you are killing innocent women and children in the name of "defending freedom" just do your job and keep your mouth shut.
This type of widespread immoral behavior by authority figures is like acid eating away at the moral fiber of this country. The US's "moral high ground" is an illusion. The current situation is very similar as to what happened to Germany in the 30s. "Good Germans" knew that something terrible was going on, but they looked the other way. We all know that "Big Brother" listens to every phone conversation and monitors every email, and you can rest assured that "Big Brother" monitors every one of these forums to see who represents a threat to the establishment. Big Brother also watches your every move unless you are in your own home.
This is not a good time to be a "bad guy", since there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.
One can only hope that the US brings the laws into compliance with the true feelings of most Americans. The wrong drugs are legal - alcohol and tobacco. The War on Drugs has been a disaster, since it makes criminals out of a large percentage of the population who would have been productive.
If the US can rationalize its use of surveillance it is not an entirely bad thing, but as long as it is legal to get drunk and be stupid but it is not legal to use a drug that has numerous mainstream medical purposes this country will continue to be schizoid. A good example is the cop who knows that arresting and imprisoning people for marijuana possession is heartless and cruel, but "it pays the mortgage".
Tobacco is an incredibly toxic drug. It is a highly addictive poison that kills a lot of people, and lung cancer is a terrible way to go. It should be gradually outlawed.
The only thing to be gained from Dorner is to realize that bad situations take good people and the bad situation turns that good person into a bad person.
Right now there are a lot of ticking time bombs out there: veterans who have done terrible things in the name of "freedom" and now they are back in a society that has used them, so now they are on their own. They may be able to get medication and counseling, but nothing can overcome the fact that a lot of US citizens have done a lot of terrible things across the globe in the name of "freedom".
THe US can look forward to more maniacs like Dorner. It is a terrible situation. It can be corrected, but it is nearly impossible.
wonder if obama is gonna fake cry again we the people deserve a vote!!!!!!! come on people wake up
You're an idiot and this is not the thread for this. Keep your tin foil hat on.
It is funny how some bloggers can turn anything into a political statement. But, the sad thing is, what we see in ALLL media , not the liberal media , not the conservative, neither red or blue, are people losing it in work situations and killing others. At the end of the day, the prep becomes the sole cause of the problem and not the toxic work situations that exist. When will we put down the pro con banners and start recognizing and dealing with the problems? To give you a good example, training for interns, especially at urban centers , was considered a rite of passage, like a frat house initiation. Long hours and lack of sleep were only the highlights of what interns were subjected to. It was only after statistical studies showed the relationship to these conditions were related to patients receiving poor care, that the practice has been modified. When we start to recognize and idenitfy the problem, we can make positive changes for all. I hope that Dorner's actions finally result in a full , independent investigation of the LAPD, who has way too long a history of corruption.
Unfortunately that would be bad for business to admit that there are issues at the top. I could not agree with you more that a full independent investigation needs to be done....but I would venture to say that this will NOT happen. Transparency is a myth fed to the sheep to keep them from asking too many questions, especially if our handlers have decided that we are not privy to the answers.
If Beck want tranparency let the DOJ review this case NOT the LAPD! Teresa Evans had numerous complaints of police brutality against her. She has blood on her hands. So does Beck.
Sad thing is...Beck wants tranparency like Eskimos want ice. This will get squashed just like alot of other things in LA and nothing will be resolved. Much time will be spent on not getting to the bottom of the reasons behind the reaction.
in the late words of my dad if you cant dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bull@!$%#
Criminals chasing criminals...
This story will be playing in your local movie theater soon!
Maybe the body is just someone his size, and all that and he is hiding in an under ground space or escaped through a tunnel. If they leave the scene before they know it is him for sure they are fools. This trapped in a cabin and fire could be part of his plan......just a thought.
There is no excuse for what he did regardless of any troubles he had and making him out to be a hero is reprehensible. Those that are sympathetic need to ask themselves how they would feel if it was their brother, sister, husband, wife, etc he murdered. Innocent people lost their lives--including a young woman and her fiance for vengeance. A man worthy of all this attention would have reached out for help versus giving in to false pride AND KILLING people.
Hey Lori, that's the thing. A "sane" man would've never done this. Obviously! Nor would a sane man have gotten his point across that the LAPD is corrupt!
The women the cops attempted to kill...Are the cops going to answer for that?