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Subscribe to RSSWhile LAPD awaits confirmation from the San Bernardino Sheriff's department as to whether the charred remains found at Big Bear Mountain are those of ex-cop Christopher Dorner, spokesman Andy Neiman says protective details will remain in place for officers close to the investigation who still feel threatened.
With a chase, a raging gun battle, and a blazing cabin fire, the hunt for suspect Christopher Dorner that has kept Southern California in terror for the past week appears to be over.
Charred human remains were discovered in the Big Bear cabin where police sources say the burly ex-LAPD officer barricaded himself in what might have been the deadly end to the biggest manhunt Los Angeles has ever seen.
The LAPD, which has been under a series of tactical alerts as Dorner allegedly hunted policemen on a hit list, has returned to normal operations, Lt. Andy Neiman said at a Wednesday morning briefing.
But as the sun rose over Big Bear, with one deputy dead and another recovering from surgery after being shot in a gun battle at the cabin, much remained unclear.
Police have not officially said whether the body found in the burned-out cabin was Dorner. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department said in a statement on Tuesday that identification would be attempted “through forensic means.”
"Thanks to the brave men and women of the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department, it looks like we have our man," Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" early Wednesday.
Yet, the targets named in the rambling 11,000-word manifesto police say was posted online by Dorner will remain under special protection until a positive identification has been made, officials said.
Investigators had been combing the ski resort area since Thursday, when Dorner’s burned out Nissan truck was found there hours after he allegedly ambushed police officers in two cities, killing one of them.
Days earlier, police believe, Dorner executed the daughter of a retired police captain and her fiancé in Irvine to kick off a killing spree that sowed terror across the region and in the ranks of law-enforcement.
The first real evidence that Dorner was still in the mountains came Tuesday about 12:22 p.m. local time when a man fitting his description had stolen a car in the area.
Rick Heltebrake, 61, told TODAY on Wednesday that he was driving near the Boy Scout camp he operates when a heavily armed man he recognized as Dorner, 33, crawled out of the woods, pointing a rifle at him.
He said the hulking former Navy reservist was wearing camouflage and a ballistics vest and told Heltebrake, “I don’t want to hurt you.”
“He was dressed for action,” Heltebrake said.
Dorner commandeered his car, but let the man and his dog to go, according to Heltebrake. Shortly after Dorner sped off, Heltebrake heard gunshots.
Wardens from the California Department of Fish and Game had spotted Dorner and one of them exchanged gunfire with the suspects, a spokesman said. The warden was not hurt, though his truck was riddled with bullets.
Dorner then “fled into the forest and barricaded himself inside a cabin,” the San Bernardino Sheriff’s office said. “A short time later there was an exchange of gunfire between law enforcement and the suspect.”
Two deputies were shot and taken to Loma Linda University Hospital, where officials later confirmed one had died and another had surgery but was expected to survive. Neither has been identified.
Rage-filled and an expert marksman, Dorner fumed at firing from LAPD
No further shots were fired from the Angelus Oaks cabin before police began to storm the building, according to a sheriff’s spokesman.
Deputies smashed the cabin’s windows, fired in tear gas, and tore through the structure’s walls using an armored personnel carrier, a source close to the probe told NBCLosAngeles.com. A single gunshot then rang out, according to the source, and flames and smoke began to emerge from the remains of the building.
It was hours before police were able to enter the cabin and find the body.
“There is a lot of apprehension today in any kind of celebration because this is not a celebration,” Neiman said of the apparent end to the rampage. “This has been a very trying time.”
He said the LAPD was mourning the death of two comrades – the Riverside police officer shot dead Thursday and the deputy killed in the standoff.
“To hear those words ‘officer down’ is the most gut-wrenching experience you can have as a police officer,” Neiman said.
NBC News’ Tracy Connor contributed to this report.
This story was originally published on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:03 AM EST
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A sad ending to a violent man.
You expected different? they do however need to "adjust the story" After all.."They heard a single gunshot...and then the fire started"....? Don't sound very good so flip em around, slap each other on the back and go have a beach party. ....case sealed ..er i mean closed...for good.
gm Tramp
Good headline, since every cop in the area is saying to him/herself, "God, I hope it's him ...... please, please, please."
Gm Bill
It will be him...rest assured, no matter what...it WILL be him.
Typical coward, ends it himself behind a closed door after taking the lives of four innocent people, four people who were not named in his manifesto. Remove the remains and bury them in the yard like the dog that he is.
This guy just seems too smart to be caught and killed in a cabin fire. I would say he was prepared for this and the remains in question are not his. If anything we might have friends inside the coroners office and staged a cadaver. But from the preperation this man made, this might be the break he needs to get enforcement off his scent long enuff to get out of state.
Well, if that is his body, this all ended as it usually does with shooters. All that bragging he did in his manifesto about his slick war skills was mostly overblown. They got him in one week, not quite Rambo, huh....
so they burned down the building without even puting him on trial? looks like the LAPD is the judge and jury huh?
sad day for American Rights...
Might as well just drone bombed him... who needs a fair trial here in AmeriKa
Johnathan
Never mind the pre-confession, right? He as clearly as possible (so people of your intelligence level could understand) stated that he was going to kill as many police officers as possible. He killed two civilians, an LAPD officer and a San Bernandino Deputy, also wounding another Deputy. The civilians were relatives of someone he named in his manifesto. If you really think the taxpayer should pay for a lengthy trial, with possibity of insanity plea, your "ideal America" is not a view shared. Why do you stand up for the "rights" of those who do not grant other Americans the same? So what you are saying is that if a person or persons terminate the rights of another, said person should still be entitled to theirs?
Cory1980,
This whole thing stinks like Waco Tx... (my 2 cents)
The just burned down the building... there is audio footage all over the internet already...
"burn the MotherF@#ker"
Why not just wait it out? He would starve out in a few days worst case.
did they know there wasn't a hostage in there?
with Waco they killed all those kids... remember?
Do you stand up for the rights of the unborn babies who are ripped apart in the womb?
what about their rights?
Just curious... I personally don't know where you stand... but I was just wondering.
Are you advocating changing the Constitution, so that it applies selectively?
Johnathan
As far as Waco goes, if you bring your children into a cult setting, established in a compound shut off from the rest of the world, the parents of those children are just as responsible, although I despise any child harmed by another, ever. Accountability. There were more followers than leaders in Waco compound, why not free yourself? No, they waited for the police to save them, (as everyone does) they did not do a good job, people died. The police did not tell them to elude civilization in a sealed tight compound, and they were not kidnapped either. But blame police...
As far as Dorner case is concerned, the report I heard, (I listened and watched every feed available from 12:30 PT on) was that they cornered him in cabin using a bearcat, heard single gunshot, then nothing. If he had a hostage, given the nature of his profession and training, he would have used that hostage as leverage to escape. If they intentionally burned the cabin I would be surprised because that action would severely delay the identification of the suspect in the cabin. Being that it was considered a "manhunt," the object is to detain the perpetrator as quickly and safely as possible. The police were intent on ending this as soon as possible, so why would they delay this, knowing that there is a chance that hours after the fire is out, they could in fact realize that he is not in there? Given the fact that the LAPD has already shot two innocent women, I would assume that law enforcement would want to keep mistakes to a minimum regarding this case.
As far as abortion is concerned, I think that is a decision that should be gender specific. Meaning, if you will never need to make that decision regarding what is in your body, you have no right to pass a law preventing it. In slower terms, (No "man" has the right to tell a "woman" what she can or cannot do with her body.
We say that we know the difference between right and wrong. If you believe that read the comments made concerning this case. Look at the known facts of this case. Look at the response of the police department. There is such a divide that I have to admit, we simply don't know. There is now and has always been a divide in America, weather it be racial or cultural. There is always a group that think it is right and they are always ready to cover up the truth to maintain their opinion. There is an evil here that caused the situation and that evil will escape, survive and continue to pledge us. It will continue to mask it self as right even though it is wrong.
Cory,
go on youtube and listen to all the audio feeds of the officers... they burned it down on purpose. Period.
You can hear it with your own 2 ears... if you care to listen.
so do you think it was a wise decision to just burn down the house?
from here on out, if a crazy guy goes nuts and goes into a house, do we just burn them down?
That is what I am getting at... I think it was a very POOR decision by the LAPD.
But the LAPD is a joke to begin with... shooting up trucks WITHOUT even identification of who was in it... It wasn't even the same make, model, or COLOR...I mean honestly who does that? Shoot 1st, ID later?
I hope you can see where I am going here...
As for the abortion issue, I think your answer weak. it dodges the question.
You think men can't make a decision of if it is right to protect unborn babies... WHY NOT?
If a woman wants to harm her body, GO FOR IT... but leave the baby alone... that is not HER body...
Why punish the baby for the stupidity of the mom and dad?
Well he pretty much exposed the police mentality/culture:
There is a blue line and it is clear which side any one person stands on
They are above the law, especially when seeking revenge/retaliation
Shoot first ask questions later and then internal investigation will find nothing wrong with SIX officers opening fire on a completely unrelated vehicle. Somehow they will twist it into "We felt threatened"and everyone will be exonerated while the taxpayers foot the bill for the lawsuit(s)
Their actions should not be recorded. Order all media cameras away from the area for their "protection" and then intentionally burn the house down while cheering the act.
When providing details of what happened, lying is perfectly acceptable as long as they are portrayed has heros.
This guy Dorner had no right to kill anyone to begin with, but after reading his grievances and seeing the police response - it is clear that our LEO folks - especially LAPD - require outside oversight.
Yay! The good guys strike back!
Johnathan
Just listened to recordings. Discredits every report that was given last night and early this morning. It sounds as if during the firefight, police noticed the propane tank, and yelled, "Yeah, yeah, go for the gas, go for the gas, burn it down." That would explain why it burst into flames as quickly as it did, (I was watching it live when the house burst into flames) but does not violate anyone's rights. There was an active scene at the time, police saw an opportunity to end it, and did so. Not the best idea as far as identification purposes, and/or the safety of others. But given the amount of gunfire being traded, it was him or them. And when you have documented that you are going to kill as many cops as you can, and have taken the lives of four, (two of which were not even law enforcement) it is going to be you.
The LAPD shooting two innocent women in an unrelated truck is just disgusting, I will certainly agree with that. (Mentioned in my previous post). The parties involved in that shooting should certainly be held accountable. That is not what you are trained to do.
I will be straight with you regarding abortion. The reason for a short, easy answer is because I do not have a solid one. For example, do I believe that a rape victim should be forced to have the baby of the man that raped her, absolutely not. I also do not think any kind of partial birth, mid- long term abortion should be allowed either. If a woman decides three, four, five months into a pregnancy that she wants to terminate the child, that is wrong in my eyes. But if the same woman finds out she is pregnant 2,3,4 weeks after conception, that to me is different. But who am I to make that decision? Morning after pill, perfectly ok with that. Adoption, perfectly ok with that too.
to Jonathan.. do you really need a trial for Dorner? They know what he did, he admitted and vowed to do it. He himself declared war on law enforcement. he murdered four people. There is no need for trial. He got exactly what he deserved. When you declare war, you don't expect to be taken prisoner, and he obviously didn't. I think he just knew there was no way out, so he set up some tinder, lit it, and then put a bullet in his own brain, so as not to feel the pain of fire. DORNER WAS A COWARD.
I'd call that "suicide" Nobody killed Dorner, he killed himself..
Welcome to the United States of the Middle East.
Well , I really hope that everything is just a good setup for the LAPD suckers and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and that he's well and waiting for part II. The list is not complete yet.
Go Dorner !
Yes, guaranteed it will be proclaimed to be Dorner.
Debi, if he surrendered, if he had turned himself in, he would have been entitled to a trial. BUT, he did not. He vowed to execute all cops who "attempted" to take him. Thats called suicide. Madmen and sickos do it all the time. You can not stop someone from killing themselves. You only try to stop them from killing innocents.
He lit up the cabin himself, then put a bullet in his own head, (the maggot was afraid of the pain of burning) He was a murdering coward.
THATS why you don't need a trial. it ended the way it should. Just like that POS who killed the busdriver and kidnaped the Alabama child. Some just don't need to live and waste the taxpayers money on trials and prison food.
I almost would bet it was another of his victims. In my humble opinion, that man got away.
I'm glad this cowardly rat bastard got it the way he did. It will get him use the the fires in hell. Good ridens scum bag!
I don't know if Dorner actually died in the fire, or possibly got away ... but what sounds QUITE STRANGE is ... the statement in the article here (IF correct?) is that his DRIVERS LICENSE was found ... ON THE BODY ???
So this (his?) BODY is just CHARRED REMAINS, YET his CA DRIVERS LICENSE survived the FIRE ??????
What kind of DL's do they have in CA ??? Here in TX, ours are just thin PLASTIC ... and would melt instantly, exposed to this kind of fire ... ???
Mosin,
Are you one of the LAPD scum ? By the way you talk ,seems like it. Are you on the list ????
He had no chance of turning himself in, as proven by the two look alike vehicles shot up before the passengers were even confirmed.
False. Tear gas was fired in the cabin before they heard a bullet shot.
TexasMomma, actually something like a driver's license could survive a fire like that. We had a house fire back in the 1970s. And there was a propane tank against the house, with a gas line running inside to a stove, that exploded. The house burned so bad that it collapsed into the basement. After the fire, my stepdad walked through the remains in the basement. He managed to find a blanket, an eight track tape player and some eight-track tapes. I played that tapes on that tape player for several years after that. The fire literally melted my brother's coin collection into a ball of metal. But those eight-track tapes didn't melt at all, they were just a little smoky. So, yeah, it's possible. If he was laying on his back with his I.D. in his back pocket, his face could be burned beyond recognition and his wallet may have been saved.
Good afternoon usual suspects. TM- from years of burning trash/garbage I believe a drivers licence in a wallet would survive a fire. Catalogs, books and magazines, unless stirred up will survive many a fire. Scooter, Bill- you seem like men of the world, I set my new grill up today and I used the directions first. Does this qualify me to sit at the grown ups table next Thanksgiving?
yup... those darn drivers licence...can survive a high speed jet fueled plane crash...going into a real tall bldg...and bring down a bldg...and still manage to be found on top of the heap...you can trust the government...and stay away from the grown ups table their mostly all old farters...
Why are you blaming the LAPD? They were NOT there! They were standing by...in LA! This was the San Bernadino Sheriff's Department show. This was the DNR from San Bernadino County. If you watched TV last night you would have heard this repeated over and over again except on MSNBC and NBC. CNN repeated it as did Fox and ABC and CBS.
His Drivers License was found a few days earlier, near the airport around the time they found his truck burning, that means he was traveling without and ID :) and if this isn't him in the cabin, i feel bad for whose ever remains those are.....
Cory1980;
1980,, Birth date? If so you were what? 5 when this happened. So tell me where it is that living in a sealed compound is illegal. The Kennedy's have a sealed compound as do most wealthy politicians. Why are they not storming them and burning all inside alive? What crime had the Davidians committed? The government had speculation, rumor, but absolutely no facts on which to act. Why did they lie to the pentagon to get the 82nd Airborne there?, who's commander quickly realized was all false and an end run around the "Posse comatadus" clause and withdrew his forces. Why the rush to execute these people? If living you own way, without aid of government is illegal, I guess i need to load all my guns, loose the dogs, fill the mote and haul up the draw bridge, right? You speak of rights, yet, you seem to think the government suspending these peoples rights was okay, right? If they can do it to them, they can do it to you. Funny how government mass killings is somehow okay with all the lefties out there. How about Ruby Ridge and the killing of the Weaver family? Was that okay with you too. The government sets someone up then kills his 9 year old son with a MP-5 sub machine gun and a FBI sniper shoots his wife in the face while holding only a three month old baby, this to you is good government? The only reason they didn't burn his plywood house to the ground was lack of time. This was all under the watchful eye of King William of Clinton and Co. With General Janet "Butch" Reno in command of the DOJ. Now we have Eric holder, in control of the DOJ and he too is a criminal. "Losing 2000 plus guns to the Mexican cartels and getting a border agent killed with two of them. So will King Hussein Obama be targeting some group now? His hero Clinton did it twice with vilification, lies, half truths, and fabrication. All things Obama is using now to placate the masses. They seem more intent on killing U.S. citizens that dealing with the real threat.
And if it turns out the body they found is that of the home owner?,,,,, Then he's going to have a real big head start on the cops intent on killing him. I find it all a bit too convenient. The truth is, they don't want him to go to trial. He will expose the L.A.P.D. as the corrupt crime syndicate is has always been. San Bernadino, Cali state Cops, they are all "family", there words, don't want a brother talking on them.
The home owner,a woman told the San Bernardino sheriff's department that the home was supposed to be vacant.It was probably a vacation cabin.I feel sorry for the owner of this home.The news the other day said they found Dorner's wallet in San Ysidro by the border.Now they find his drivers license inside the burned down cabin.If it turns out not to be him but that of somebody else,even a transient,law enforcement will be in deep manure.For law enforcement to tear down walls of a home that does not belong to the suspect is plain old wrong.This would be very scary to me if law enforcement was battering down the walls of my home because a suspected criminal were to break in and barricade themselves inside.I hope that the homeowner sues the living daylight out of the San Bernardino sheriff's department.They have a worse reputation than the LAPD.
Something smells here, and it isn't corpses. Has anyone ever heard of a bounty/reward on a suspect, a million dollar bounty? Dorner seems like he had some deep dirt on LAPD and I'd be surprised if the body is his. LAPD may SAY it is, but is it really? Wherever you are Dorner, have a cold drink and laugh. You made LAPD out to be the fools they are.
I prayed for two days that God would keep Dorner safe so he could expose the LAPD of whatever corruption he knew about. Dont u think it somewhat strange that his manifesto wasn't complete (it abruptly ended with the word "our". I wonder if the LAPD delibertly took out the rest of Dorner's manifesto because he had some hard core evidence of the LAPD corruption. Come on u guys... why would they offer one million dollars for his capture and even discuss using a military drone to find him? I say Dorner had some valuable inside info that could have exposed something the LAPD was illegally doing. Who knows....Dorner could have been set up by the LAPD regarding the double homicide of that couple. He might not have been the killer after all. And I dont know about u, but the LAPD delibertly burned down the cabin with dormer inside for revenge. That to me is the cruelest thing u can do to any human being - no matter who u r. NO ONE deserves to die in that way. It kind of gets u to agree with dorner that the LAPD is corrupt after all and makes dorner's allegations against the dept very believable. I can personally tell u that I wouldnt have turned Dorner in for one million dollars. I care more about people than I do money. I am a christian and I would have loved helping dorner to realize that vengeance doesn't belong to man, but rather our Creator. Even though God's timing of bringing justice to evil individuals isn't down speedily, there will be a judgement day in the end where all corrupt people who refuse to repent will be punished eternally. ("It's appointed unto man once to die, after this the judgement"). God also tells us not to seek our own revenge because He says, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay"). I wish I would have had the opportunity to reassure dorner that the corrupt individuals in the LAPD will someday pay for their crimes.
Nicodemus
If my birthday was 1980, it would mean I was 13, not 5. Because the fire at Waco was in 1993. (Way to know your facts before commenting though, friend). And I would also like you to cut and paste the comment where I stated that what they were doing was illegal. (I'm waiting).
What I said was the parents of the children that were killed in Waco have a hand in this as well. If you don't want to endanger your children, don't go live in a religious compound in Texas. If you don't want the cops to kill you, don't release a manifesto telling them you are going to try to kill them first. I don't know what year you were born Nicodemus, and I don't care. Hopefully you are younger than me because your research skillset are sub-par for this conversation. Have a nice day.
Since when is living in a religious compound illegal here in the United States? The only "danger" the children were in was from the actions of the U.S. government, and whose actions killed them all.
From the comments, this country is looking more and more like the sister to the Middle East.
TRANSLATION:.....
Dear taxpayer,
Lets be clear about this....WE were the very first ones....the guy who called us and spotted him alerting us has NOTHING to do with it !! We ain't paying out zip...and if we do it will be to ourselves.
Signed The state of Ca.
Huh?
If English is your first language, you can see that the article is implying that the warden was the first person to see Dorner AFTER he carjacked the guy and drove off in his truck. The sequence (that means order) of the article makes that pretty clear.
dmar,
If someone tells you the bridge is out and you drive off it, were you the very first one to discover it?
He MAY have been the first badge holder to see em. However the guy who VERIFIED he was even in the vicinity was the first, hell yesterday these clowns said he was in Mexico. Ca is trying to save some bucks. What ya think that house went for? 1-5 mill?
Dmar. I'm glad I'm not the only onwe to spot writing so bad as to be incoherent. NMy favorite one was,
"The pickup was located by authorities on Highway 38 after an ensuing ground search."
In other words, they searched the area where he was spottted and after they were finished, found the car. I don't even want to get into ensuing.
Tramp
If the carjack victim apprehended Dorner himself yesterday, it would be determined that it occurred on a state highway, which is property of the state, and still would have kept the money. Loopholes. I would be amazed if this carjack victim received anything, even though I feel he should. But we all knew that the reward was all smoke and mirrors, they will find any way possible not to pay it out.
I believe the terms of the reward were "apprehended and convicted", so it doesn't really matter.
The first person to alert the cops was one of the maids that he tied up. One of the women escaped and called 911. that sounds like she is the one who should get the reward.
After reading the officer's manifesto, he appears to be stable, but like most L A police department are racist white chumps because they are not real men they are YOBS the white women are dykes want to be a man they are worst than to whores of Babylon. They are crooked, dishonest and liars. Why did they burn down the cabin, they didn't want to hear the truth. The majority of LA's policeman are rcist and have no business on the force. Part that makes it pathetic they are designed to serve and protect.
But what if it turns out the remains are not Dorner? Maybe he planted a 'body double' and got away again. He tended to have a penchant for torching things to hide (or try and hide) his disappearance the first time. Too bad about the slain officers and the nice little truck. Too bad about the burned house, too. I really do hope they find the body is Dorner. It won't bring back the victims, but it will at least let the cops relax for a couple of minutes. Now, about that internal investigation into the allegations made by Dorner in his 11,000 word diatribe...
Two things would happen.
1. It would turn into a real "oh "S" moment for them
2. You and I would never hear about it.
Backtobasics
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. This guy was probably smart enough to leave a false trail to confuse the authorities searching for him. What better way than to leave a body charred almost beyond recognition behind that would take time to ID, thus effecting a getaway on is part. This guy may be nuts, but he's not stupid by a long shot!
I may be one of the only ones but I personally hope it's not him. (Mind you I also hope it was a cadaver as someone else alluded to and not another innocent victim) dude got a raw deal, he went about "fixin it" ALL wrong obviously (especially killing the daughter and boyfriend) but I would love to see the LAPD get the big F*CK YOU! And be put to task.
1SGFitzs is your typical POS.
Raw deal or not, there is absolutely nothing that justifies what this man has done!
Part of that I agree with.. he was a murdering coward... but I heard the scanners...they lit him up.
they wont find a body...thats the problem here they have underestimated their opponate....they will see soon enough......and as for Ca. being scared for the last week? i'm gonna have to say it isnt the state thats scared, it's the cops in the state.....
I'm glad this cowardly rat bastard got it the way he did. It will get him use the the fires in hell. Good ridens scum bag!
Hell of a party. sounds like a true cop wolf-pack mentality, Wonder what the price tag will be on it.
All they had to do was wait!
Why are they so eager to kill him?
Just like Waco, why didn't they just wait???
Instead of burning them!!!
Give people time to cool off and come to their senses.
There is video where you can hear the cops saying "Burn it down" over their radios. Seems like they didn't want to take him alive.
This whole story stinks to high heaven.
Jerry
He had just shot and killed a deputy, injuring another. Also shot up a game warden's car. But you are right, we must give peace a chance. Let him "cool off," and then I am sure he will come out calmly. We certainly do not want to infringe on HIS rights...
Cory - are you saying the police don't have their sh&T together enough if one of their own is involved in the crime? Remember the guy last week barricaded in with the kid after killing the school bus driver? If the kid isn't there - are we all ok that they just firebomb the place and call it a day?
We have laws and a judicial system for a reason - it may not always be quick or provide the results everyone wants - but it is intended to apply to EVERYONE. We learned a long time ago that vigilante justice is much worse. Leaving it up to p*ssed off people to be the judge, jury, and executioner is a frightening prospect - especially when those people answer to no one but each other.
Jayinflorida
Go on YouTube, listen to audio of gunfight. Are they supposed to sit back and let Dorner continue to fire at them?
As far as the Alabama incident, he shot a busdriver to death that was trying to protect someone else's child. It was not a "maybe he did it, maybe it was someone else" type of situation.
I do not support confessed murders, or their rights. I especially do not support the rights of an individual that announces his intent of a killing spree, then proceeds to kill people. Apparently you do...
jerry-1795679
All they had to do was wait!
Why are they so eager to kill him?
Just like Waco, why didn't they just wait???
Instead of burning them!!!
Give people time to cool off and come to their senses.
@ Jerry-wait for what? He wasn't going to be brought in alive. He said as much in his manifesto. In his mind it was him or them so law enforcement ended it sooner than later reducing the number of officers who could have been killed.
Bottom line, they were too afraid to wait. It's very unfortunate his mother had to watch all this from her living room. I know I will probably get some slack for that one but as I feel for his victims parents and family I feel for his also. They should have waited for as long as it took to get him out but to simply burn down the cabin with him in it. Hummm I guess I wasn't aware that sheriff's were also moonlighting as judge and juror!
Now we have to put up with all the pro Dorner anti-police whacko's on the blog. This guy is a disgruntled mental case that gets fired and decides to go on a killing spree to "Clear his name". Tell that to the innocent victims that were gunned down. This guy needed to be killed and I just hope and pray he was alive and well in the cabin and was killed by the fire in a very slow and painful death. Might warm him up a little for the place where he is headed.
Yep, those damn pro dorner anti police whackos....Why , oh why, cant they think in a sane civilised way like myself?
Perhaps they need some of the same treatment? After all torture and slow pain full death is all the rage now.
DaForce: "...very slow and painful death...???
You are no better than what you called: "...anti-police whaco's..."
As for your "...prayer..." God didn't even heard you!
Hey Jerry, he heard me and the bastard is dead. Now Dorner will have time to cool off!
Hey guys' , dont worry. There,s a whole lot of people like him out there...Angry, at the end of their rope, buying SUPPLIES and in general thinking what a great idea it would be to go out the same way. About every 2 to three months somebody decides to shoot everyone else to pieces.....hang in there, will be having the same discussion soon! Just hope if your in the mall, school, courthouse,theater or any other public place that your not the next victim.
Jerry
How about you join law enforcement and turn it all around. When a perpetrator kills the guy standing next to you, you can just smile and say "Oh, he is just having a bad day, the dead officer's children will get by without him." And you will go to sleep knowing you made the world a better place. You can instruct all police to just "wait." Just allow people to rape children in a locked compound, just allow trained marksmen to pick off their targets. You are the type of person to critisize people who push humping dogs off their leg before the dog finishes, aren't you? You want to tell the world how everyone else is doing it wrong. My point is, other than type words, what have you done to change these things?
Well heck Cory - your ideas could save us plenty of time and money.. who needs the pesky court system when we have LEOs? Not that they don't execute whoever they want right now (like Flint Farmer), but let's make it official so they don't have to have that pointless dog and pony IA investigation.
I'm sure they get tired of claiming they felt threatened by unarmed people and those ferocious Labradors.
Jayinfloridawheretheweatherismuchnicerthanitishereimsure
The people you mentioned are both premeditated murderers. One sent out an extremely detailed manifesto, describing everything he was planning to do, and began executing his plan, (or rather, executing innocent, unrelated people). The other attacked and killed a bus driver, in front of an entire bus full of CHILDREN! No problem finding credible witnesses for that trial.
I am not trying to rewrite the system, but do you really feel that either one of the perpetrators were possibly innocent given how each situation went down? We can always improve things in our nation, but murders on rampages, or murders who directly endanger the lives of children, yeah, I'm willing to look the other way...
So the cop-killer is dead? How sad we will now never know the truth. Just what the LAPD wants us to know. I have a problem with this for so many reasons. It is mixed in with poor leadership. Will this be one more time the creation of a monster is swept under the rug? Why did he implode? Did he have PTSD? Obviously he did. So who observed these symptoms? In the military, and/or the LAPD? I keep hearing stories about how he was violent in school, disruptive in the military, noncompliant with policy while employed with the LAPD. So why wasn't his condition addressed? Whomever ignored these symptoms is guilty as well in the deaths of the innocents, and the police officers. If this continues to be pushed aside without ramifications, it will occur again, and again. Complacency, a sin in leadership; doom for our nation.
Only if he got it as a cop......
Condolences to all the family members...
Wonder if the homeowner will take an I.O.U. for his loss?
I have two mountain homes in the near vicinity.
When the cops decided to hit the house with tear gas and then ignited it with a gun shot or a flare . . . that was the end of the story. . . it produced Cyanide gas . . . this poor pathetic wonder must have broken every bone in his body turning in 180 degree angles . . . jolted from the gas.
I respect law and order . . . but these cops lacked the order part . . . I would sue them for destruction of private property.
This think stinks. Someone needs to look into all the accusations he makes in the manifesto.
They already were, and as soon as he is proven dead they will release them. At least the ones they can find, which of course is the same version as the last.
Why? Because he is nuts and killed people? No, He had his time, and screwed it up. Violence or threats of violence should not play a role in resolving common workplace issues. Whether it stinks or not, there is absolutely no excuse for his actions.
Toasted rebel
That should be Dorner's screen name. If you are so offended by the manifesto, (that was conveniently authored by the perpetrator) then spend your own money researching it. Not CA tax dollars. Typical lazy response, "Someone should do this, someone should do that, just not me." Right?
Cops killing cops?
( gotta be those nasty "guns" fault right?)
A full frontal assault without the facts?
( it MIGHT be him )
Heck the only thing missing is a few drones.
There,s no win for anyone here. The guy accomplished what he wanted to do, put a bullet in his own head and never saw a courtroom. Now how many people are seeing this on a monthly bases and saying to themselves..........Ahhhhhhhhh Im done with everthing, Im going to take as many people with me as I can and then shoot myself. Welcome to the 21st century.....terrorists, angry people with nothing to lose in their own minds and trying to hang on economically every day. Instead of putting flourine in the water of cities maybe we should put psychotic medication in the water so that we can walk around in a fog. In the best case scenerio the whaco,s would get their medicine and at worst the rest of us wouldnt really know whats going on!
Psycotic medicine is in the water supply, you just mentioned it. Flourine, its used to make the drug Fluoxetine, and that drug is called prozac. look up the side effects to prozac and youll see the connection
Your right , I just didnt know how to spell it and was to lazy to look it up,,"Thanks!"
This story doesn't make sense
The public never gets the whole story. That is why so many people are quick to judge.
And why we don't trust those neatly wrapped explanations that take weeks to provide and start falling apart immediately.
Who knows if this killer is dead or not, but one thing that jumps out at me (according to this article and other reports) is :
How does his DRIVERS LICENSE survive, supposedly on his CHARRED REMAINS ... after the WHOLE CABIN BURNS DOWN TO THE GROUND ???????
A THIN, PLASTIC DL survives this fire, and intact enough to identify ??? Does that make any sense ???
Actually I never read that his DL was found on his charred remains, just that it was found in the cabin.
Ok, I'll answer the I.D. question again: Actually something like a driver's license could survive a fire like that. We had a house fire back in the 1970s. And there was a propane tank against the house, with a gas line running inside to a stove, that exploded. The house burned so bad that it collapsed into the basement. After the fire, my stepdad walked through the remains in the basement. He managed to find a blanket, an eight track tape player and some eight-track tapes. I played that tapes on that tape player for several years after that. The fire literally melted my brother's coin collection into a ball of metal. But those eight-track tapes didn't melt at all, they were just a little smoky. So, yeah, it's possible. If he was laying on his back with his I.D. in his back pocket, his face could be burned beyond recognition and his wallet may have been saved.
The way I see it is:
Dorner 4
LAPD 1
and continued scrutiny of the LAPD and its corrupt practices
Dorner wins...........
It's just a good thing they didn't start a forest fire. I noticed all those trees around that burning cabin in the picture that accompanies this article.
Did you notice all the snow. Dahhh.
Tony,
Forest fires don't mind a little snow. Fire melts snow.
Have you ever tried to light a fire in the snow? Damn near impossible.
Were there any reports of his remaining ammo exploding from exposure to the intense heat of the fire or do you suppose he used the last bullet on himself? ' Just askin'.
Another piece of s$%#. black person who womt take responsibility for his actions. No one told him to make false statements. then to kill and injure innocent people is the cowardly thing to do. I hope he burns in hell, he has a head start burning the cabin down.
Thank you for your comment LAPD Chief Charlie Beck
Wow firstmaw. What a typical racist piece of crap! Let's hope you burn in hell too!
There's often a fine line between racism and the truth.....sorry you don't like it Kim.
Ok you don't have to be racist when leaving blogs, second of all he never not took responsibility when he that did @!$%# but people I high places let the LAPD get away with what they did to Dorner, the swept it all under the rug which is what high power people do he had mad issues on top of it they should have helped him in the beginning. RIP to all who lost there life because of his vendetta , and may the media stop hyping it up like they always do,
Maria I could not have said it any better myself.....so true, its sad!
betty
LAPD SAVES LIVES
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Then explain why they almost killed 5 people including the 2 in a blue truck riddled with bullet holes?
This seems to me like a total disregard for human life and safety.
Larry - the only lives the LAPD are concerned with saving are their own. They could care less about the average ordinary citizen except for the fact that they make good target practice.
I can't wait to see the payout that is given to the 2 mexican women and the skinny white surfer (who both were mistaken for a 300 lb black man) and had their vehicles rammed and riddled with bullets by the LAPD. I am hoping it is in the 10's of millions.
I find it amazing that the media was so quick to just dismiss such a massive overreaction that was essentially attempted manslaughter. They just guessed it may be him and opened fire? That truck was RIDDLED with bullets - they basically just unloaded on it for no reason except they thought he was in it.
Larry,
That was not the LAPD.
Reality speaks,Don't forget the cost of the home that burned down to the ground.
The only people terrorized is law enforcement, they where running around like scared maggots in the hot california sun, he did not want to hurt innocent people. The only law enforcement in this country is what come out of there guns.
"he did not want to hurt innocent people"
Really??? So that's why he murdered two innocent unarmed people who never did a thing to him. Way to twist the facts around to suit your opinion simply because you hate law enforcement.
No fire department or fire retardant helicopters (this was in the country) attempting to pour water to extinguish the flames, no efforts whatsoever. Is that what to expect from a state government? The only issue I recognize was that the authorities were hell bent on making sure this guy was dead. This needs some very serious federal investigations to his allegations. "Ain't going to happen, though."
If you listen to the scanner recordings, the fire department was deliberately held off for hours to let the thing burn. After the cops decided to "use the burners like we talked about before". Stinks to high heaven. And wtf is his driver's license made of, anyways- teleportation material and asbestos? Found a week or so ago in San Diego and then miraculously survives the fire too? AAAHHHMAZING.
Officer Dorner has died a martyr. He died for something he believed in, which was the TRUTH. The only truth in law enforcement is what comes out there pie hole.
WACO, TX of california, lets just set fire to it and burn it... who cares if there are innocent people in there. Like the cops said on the radio "burn it, burn it", they were not going to give him a chance, no matter how you look at it.
@ freedom supporter
Martyr my ass! He didn't die because of something he believed in, he died because he was fired from his job for lying (official misconduct) so he decided five years later to go out and kill a bunch of INNOCENT people who had nothing to do with it. You think LAPD is screwed up yet when they fire a screw up you try to defend the screw up.
And in Waco the authorities sat on that building for 50 days at a cost of over a million dollars a day until negotiations failed and when they did finally take action it was David Koresh, the religious leader that locked the kids in the compound and started the fire.
And you can bet your dumb ass that the cops are not broadcasting "burn it, burn it" on their radios that are monitored by all the news agencies and many citizens on their scanners. That statement is pure bull@!$%#. Reading your response shows me that Dorner is not the only whacko out their.
@ Da Force
The truth is you should stay out of the kitchen if you don't like the heat...
What the majority of the people are saying is with first hand experience and a lot of good ol' fashion "common sense"
The guy flipped, but the blue shirts sure "Flew their Colors" for us all to be able to say with evidence of this experiance, what we have been saying for a long time. Your infra structure is Broken and Corrupt!
We don't have any respect for you, because you don't deserve any. You are way more dangerous than this man at the end of the day. And this man was one of you.
This sounds too good to be true. This guy is pretty smart and very resourceful. If he did have a hostage and no one knew it he could have killed the hostage before setting the fire. A fire is the perfect distraction. He did have air tanks so he could have hid in a safe place until dark and then went down the backside of the mountain on foot. If so he is a day ahead of the search party that went home and went to bed last night.
LAPD Chief Charlie Beck had this to say today in his morning news conference:
"We have confirmed that the body found is that of Christopher Dorner. Now the fine people of L.A. can go back to their normal lives and the LAPD can go back to its normal routine of beating, harassing, and indiscriminately shooting at ordinary citizens for no particular reason whatsoever. Everything is back to normal in the wonderful city of L.A. Have a good day everyone"
Cops torched the cabin destroying incriminating evidence and to force Dorner outside into a hail of bullets from ASSAULT style rifles. No one wanted Dorner alive to continue accusing LAPD.
Summery Execution
I've been hearing that the LAPD actually started the fire themselves and that they did a media blackout in order to cover it up. There are reports that cops were heard saying "burn the f-cker down" before the fire started. Did anyone else hear anything about this?
Someone caught the conversation on a scanner, it was on the radio this morning.
Yeah - it's pretty clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T6cG7FC71c
And here:
Think I'll wait until the confirmation.
This guy has eluded all law enforcement and Military for a week now.
If it is him however, well, he went out exactly how he wanted too and he did so accomplishing some of the things he set out to do.
Either way, this has now put the spot lights back on LAPD and I'm sure for CA citizens this is far from over.
God will decide who goes to hell.This kind of thing was bound to happen sooner or later.People in the big cities can only take so much before they get back their sanity.I would have liked to have Dorner covering my back when i was in Viet Nam.Dorner was sain in the whole ordeal.Big city policing is different than small town policing.There aren't as many police with chips on their shoulders in small towns.There are a few but most of them had these before they became police.Lots of people know want-a-be police and very seldom do they say they want to protect but they'll say they want to shoot someone or hit them if they get smart with them or hit them because they won't do what they say.I'm sure the ones i knew were probably bullyed as children.Someday police are going to have to look over their shoulders to see who is going to jump them when six or ten police are beating on one person to one inch of their life.Something started all this violence in America.Change the darn laws.Things that are illegal that shouldn't be started all this and it's not going to change until laws are changed.Just the legalization of marijuana would stop a third of the violence.Is it nessasary to kill him because he smokes pot.This is sick.