Man protecting wife, kids from home invaders shot dead, family says

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A Miami man who tried to protect his wife and daughter from a pair of home invaders was shot and killed early Wednesday, family members said.

Miami Police say they're looking for two heavily armed suspects who ambushed the family inside their home in the area of Northwest 16th Avenue and 44th Street.

"We call these two men beasts," Miami Police spokeswoman Kenia Reyes said.


Family members said 36-year-old Maurice Harris and his wife and 11-year-old daughter were inside the home when the two men broke in around midnight.

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"We are all numb, in disbelief," said Harris' mother-in-law, Annie Streeter, who said her daughter and Harris had been married for 14 years.

According to Streeter, Harris was shot after he stepped in to stop one of the men who aimed his weapon at his daughter.

"Someone took the gun and put it to her head and like, had them hostage there," she said.

The men shot Harris, who was rushed to Ryder Trauma Center where he was later pronounced dead.

"I was like in disbelief that something like this could happen, cause they're a loving family," Streeter said. "The one thing I do know, that he gave his life trying to save his family."

Police said they're looking for the suspects and are asking anyone with information to call Miami-Dade Crime Stoppers at 305-471-TIPS.

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How stupid:

If the family was gun owners, that would mean that the assailants would now have MORE guns in their arsenal. The ONLY reason that criminals can get guns cheaply is BECAUSE the NRA has pushed for looser gun laws. If the DEMAND for guns was to be lowered through, I dunno maybe REGISTRATION mandate, then the manufacturers would make less guns, this would mean the guns already made would have MORE value. This means the price in the store and street for a gun would CLIMB, putting guns out of the reach of many criminals, and further drive the balck market under ground, making for obtaining a gun on the street into more seedier places, where the actual petty criminal would possibly not want to tread, for fear of his life.

So, Mandatory Universal registration is DEFINITELY the way to go. It will get the guns out of the hands of the criminals through market forces, and allow those that are stable enough to get a gun and keep it registered. Now hopefully it will also include mandates for education, testing for proficiency and mandatory liability insurance for said firearms.

    Reply#83 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:00 PM EST

    Like its gotten drugs out of criminal hands? How hard do you think it is to make firearms once the price goes up? Not everyone is a Social Science major that doesn't know which end of the hammer to use to drive nail.

    • 3 votes
    #83.1 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:09 PM EST

    Registration so the criminals will know who has guns and who doesn't? That is absolutely brilliant.

    Hows about if you volunteer to be the first to have your address and whether you own guns published by the Journal News?

    http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nation/journal-news-map-listed-guns-permits-stolen-from-new-city-home-cops-say-1.4463741

    Journal News map listed guns, permits stolen from New City home, cops say

    The Journal News has come under criticism from elected officials and police groups for posting the interactive map Dec. 23 that showed the names and addresses of all legal gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties.

    The newspaper has not responded to numerous calls for comment.

    The head of the White Plains Police Benevolent Association, Robert Riley, has been one of the fiercest critics of the Journal News map, saying it puts the lives of police and ordinary residents in potential danger.

    "The Journal News printed a virtual treasure map for criminals," Riley said Monday. "It lets the bad guys know who is vulnerable, due to not having a gun permit, and where to go if they wanted a gun."

    • 2 votes
    #83.2 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:16 PM EST

    Sleep is the key

    How stupid:

    If the family was gun owners, that would mean that the assailants would now have MORE guns in their arsenal

    So you are seriously saying it was better for this father to not have a weapon in the house to protect himself and his family because he "might" not have been able to overcome the two criminals and they would have collected another gun?

    That it was better for the father to die at their hands with no chance at all to defend against them just so that things would be better in your twisted little pea brain world view?

    Where do people like you come from?

    • 4 votes
    #83.3 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:21 PM EST

    Everyone who purchases pornography should be required to undergo a psychological evaluation to ensure they have no deviant tendencies. They should be re-examined every year, and their names and addresses recorded in a database available to all law enforcement agencies. If it stops just one rape or child molestation, won't these reasonable restrictions on the First Amendment be worth it?

    • 6 votes
    #83.4 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:22 PM EST

    Sleep

    The illegal drugs you are taking is affecting your mind....brainless comment.

    What you are saying was said about drugs and alcohol a while back, if we make them illegal it will fix everything but who made out with that...the criminals.

    Do you think guns are made by some magical process, if I put my mind to it I could easily make some really nice guns, what do you think enterprising criminals could do.

    All restrictive gun laws do is make criminals out of law abiding citizens, puts good citizens who wish to protect themselves at a disadvantage and make the gun trade more lucrative for criminals.

    • 2 votes
    #83.5 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:10 PM EST
    Reply

    Where are the Liberals now, saying -

    "It is a good thing that Maurice Harris did not have a gun. He might have hurt somebody............!!!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#84 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:05 PM EST

    He should've armed himself... Any man who has a family and doesn't own a big dog or two and a 12 gauge shotgun is a fool.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#85 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:18 PM EST

    Just more proof that we live in a violent world and we can choose to be lambs being led to slaughter (as the anti gun clowns would love), or you can have a gun on or near you as much as possible cause ya just never know...........

    • 5 votes
    Reply#86 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:21 PM EST

    Well, wait a minute didn't these criminals hear about Obama's new pronouncement on guns? How, he'll have more laws, more regulations, more restrictions, etc., etc., So, what you're saying is, the criminals may NOT have followed these extra laws, rules, and regulations? Well, how can THAT be? Sure didn't see THAT coming.....

    • 4 votes
    Reply#87 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:23 PM EST

    We are not here today fighting to protect the Second Amendment.

    We are not here today fighting to protect the right to own certain kinds of Weapons or Magazines.

    We are here today Fighting for our Lives!

    If the Rights of law abiding citizens to own firearms is lost the only ones that will have Firearms will be criminals because they will not obey the laws and they will not give up their illegal firearms.

    Criminals would love to know that law abiding citizens are limited to .22’s with 7 rounds of ammo while their carrying 9mm’s with 20 round magazines.

    How can we defend ourselves and our families against criminals when they will have high powered weapons, whatever magazine capacities they desire, etc., while we are reduced to knives and baseball bats and other things the government hasn’t gotten around to banning yet, and calling 911?

    The left would have you believe that taking guns away from Law abiding citizens and dictating what kinds of weapons they have would reduce crime and gun Violence. If that is true then why does the U.S.A. still have an enormous stockpile of Nuclear weapons?

    Wouldn’t the U.S.A giving up its nuclear weapons mean the rest of the world would give up there Nuclear weapons and the Proliferation of Nuclear weapons would stop? Wouldn’t North Korea, China, Russia, Pakistan, etc. gladly give up its Nuclear Weapons if we gave up ours?

    The reason we keep our Nuclear weapons is because it is a deterrent preventing other countries from attacking us with nuclear weapons. The premise is known as “Mutually Assured Destruction”. If you attack us we will attack you and you will be destroyed.

    Legal Gun ownership is the only deterrent law abiding citizens have against criminals. It is the only thing that makes them think twice, “Will I get shot if I break into that house?”, “Is that woman I’m thinking about raping carrying a gun and I will get my head blown off?”.

    The Left would love to remove the only deterrent law abiding citizens have against criminals.

    The left would have you believe that law abiding citizens don’t need guns because we have laws and law enforcement agencies to protect you and enforce our laws.

    We are supposed to depend on the Same Law enforcement agencies that allowed 2,000 guns to walk into Mexico, into the hands of Drug Cartels?

    We are supposed to believe that the law enforcement agencies that have not been able to enforce our immigration law, which is the reason we have 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., can protect us?

    We are supposed to believe that the same law Enforcement Agencies that are suing the U.S. government because they have been ordered not to enforce our laws are going to enforce our laws?

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2013/01/29/judge-immigration-agents-suing-obama-can-move-forward/

    Judge: Immigration Agents Suing Obama Can Move Forward

    Federal Judge Reed O'Conner ruled on Friday Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents' case has legal merit. They argue their bosses essentially have forced them to look the other way and not enforce the law -- thus overstepping Congress by changing laws through directives rather than legislation.

    The state of Mississippi joined the lawsuit against the administration but judge O'Conner dismissed the state from the lawsuit on Friday in the 35-page opinion.

    The agents filed the lawsuit in October against the head of the Department of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, and ICE Director John Morton, to ask the courts to overturn last year's directive by Obama to suspend deportation proceedings and offer temporary work authorization to some immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children.

    We are supposed to believe that law enforcement agencies that are supposed to enforce the laws, and yet turn around and break the laws themselves committing Felonies, can be trusted to protect us?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57560107-10391739/pistol-purchased-by-atf-agent-found-at-alleged-cartel-crime-scene-in-mexico/

    Pistol purchased by ATF agent found at alleged cartel crime scene in Mexico

    CBS News has learned that two guns found in the area of a recent Mexican drug cartel shootout have been linked to Fast and Furious: One trafficked by a suspect in the case, and the other purchased by a federal agent.

    "I didn't do anything criminal," said Gillett, who calls himself a gun enthusiast. "I've been a gun collector all my life."

    He told CBS News that he ran into financial difficulties in recent years and sold some of his firearms. Gillett says the Herstal pistol may have sold for approximately $1,100.

    Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) wrote a letter (PDF) to the Inspector General late today asking for an urgent investigation. Grassley included records from three of Gillett's gun purchases, so-called Form 4473's, and says that Gillett appears to have provided false information on them.

    "Lying on a Form 4473 is a felony and can be punished by up to five years in prison," Grassley's letter states. The senator also points out that's the same alleged violation that suspects in ATF's Fast and Furious operation were arrested for. "Jaime Avila, Jr. recently plead guilty to a variety of charges" in Fast and Furious, including "for giving a false address on Form 4473."

    Form 4473's require purchasers to list their current residential address. Gillett's gun purchase forms incorrectly list the local ATF Phoenix office and a shopping plaza as his personal residence, according to Grassley's letter.

    Gillett did not comment on allegations about the address on the forms.

    Make no Mistake; If Dianne Feinstein and the rest of her Like Minded Comrades could get their way they would take away every gun and leave us defenseless and at the mercy of criminals and the Government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Dianne_Feinstein

    Discussing why the 1994 act only prohibited the manufacture or import of assault weapons, instead of the possession and sale of them, Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."[26]

    In July 2006, Feinstein voted against the Vitter Amendment to prohibit Federal funds being used for the confiscation of lawfully owned firearms during a disaster.[27] [28]

    Let me be Clear; don’t make the Mistake of believing “No one is trying to take away your guns”. Remember what happened with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?

    “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it”. Nancy Pelosi

    They did there back room deals and subterfuge and passed it in the dead of the night without anyone having time to read it and analyze it to really understanding its impact and how it would affect law abiding citizens.

    This is not a fight about the Second Amendment. It is not a Fight about what kind of guns and Magazines we can have; it is a fight for our Lives against those that would like us to be defenseless and at the Mercy of Criminals and at the Mercy of a Corrupt and Incompetent Government for protection against those criminals.

    If your life means nothing to you then by all means support Feinstein and Her Far left Gun Confiscation Agenda.

    If you care about your life, your family’s life, and the life of others then stop them before they are able to take away our best means of self defense and the only deterrent to criminals Law Abiding Citizens have.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#88 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:46 PM EST

    It is all to common to here the families of victims say "We never thought something like this could happen to this good person". Be prepared for what you do not think will happen.

    Sadly home invasions are happening more and more. Even in the small city of Grand Forks, ND a elderly man recently fought off a home invader with a gun. Had he not had the gun the invader would have gotten away with his crime.

    The father in this story is without doubt a brave man who made the ultimate sacrifice for his family.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#89 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:51 PM EST

    The single women and the elderly are the ones that will be preyed upon when the guns go..

    • 1 vote
    #89.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:49 AM EST

    That is the Democratic "war on women."

      #89.2 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:13 AM EST
      Reply

      s the numbers of concealed carry permits grows, crime rates and shooting homicides drop. This is a fact that NBC does not like, so they don't report it.

      Legal gun owners are the best and most effective deterrent to many crimes, such as this one. The crooks in this case were breaking many laws, none of which had any effect. An AR-15 semi automatic rifle in the hands of the home owner would have solved this problem.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#90 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:51 PM EST

      Only the Drudge Report has "statistics" to back up your claims...

      • 1 vote
      #90.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:28 AM EST

      Invisible; actually the FBI has those same stats if you libs did a little research instead of just doing what your handlers tell you to do!!!

      Libs are always saying they are so smart but for some reason none of them can do simple research and they are only capable of listening to propaganda and lies from the lib news and the white house....

      • 2 votes
      #90.2 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:18 AM EST

      Garie -

      It is known as "conditioning," or "indoctrination." It works

      • 1 vote
      #90.3 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:15 AM EST
      Reply

      Before I start up my smart mouth, I'll start by offering condolences to the family. The dad did what every father hopes he'll have the guts to do.

      Now, since everyone loves statistics so much (kidding) let me remind those who think the husband should have had a gun of what most likely would have happened:

      1. The daughter/mom/dad would have accidentally shot herself or her friends last year, or committed suicide

      2. The dad, during a domestic dispute, would have shot his wife (way more likely than the reverse)

      3. The intruders would have taken the gun out of his shaking hands and shot him, his wife and his daughter

      4. He somehow shoots the intruders, then their gangbanger friends come the next week and kill the whole family.

      Each of those scenarios is more likely than the "hero" scenario where he scares off or shoots the intruders and lives happily ever after.

      While I don't think gun laws are the answer, since we are clearly unable to enforce them, gun ownership is KNOWN to not be the answer. More guns, more violence, live by the sword, die by the sword.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#91 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:28 PM EST

      Prove any of that. You can't cause you just made up a bunch of stuff.

      • 2 votes
      #91.1 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:51 PM EST

      Tell that to Melinda whi who saved the lives of her twins and herself.

      http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/10/16449815-911-tape-shoot-him-again-husband-tells-wife-hiding-from-home-intruder?lite

      The intruder used a crowbar to bust into the house last Friday and at first intended to rob the suburban Atlanta home in Loganville but shifted his focus to hunting down Melinda Herman and her son and daughter, Walton County investigators told NBC station WXIA in Atlanta.

      The family had fled through three locked doors, into a bathroom and then to an upstairs crawl space, but the intruder busted the doors open to stalk the family, police said.

      As the incident transpired, husband Donnie Herman was in Atlanta and had his wife on one phone line and the 911 operator on the other, according to the recording, obtained by WXIA and the Atlanta Journal- Constitution.

      "Do you hear him? Is he in the house? He's in the house," Donnie Herman says.

      "Melinda, if he opens that door, you shoot him, you understand."

      "She has a weapon?" asks the dispatcher. "What type of weapon?"

      "She has a .38," Donnie Herman said.

      The 911 operator tells him that officers were on the way.

      "She shot him. She's shooting him, she's shooting him."

      "OK," the dispatcher responds.

      "Shoot him again! Shoot him!" Donnie Herman yells, later telling the dispatcher "She shot him, a lot."

      Herman tells the dispatcher he heard a lot of screaming. But it was seven agonizing minutes before he found out that his family was OK, WXIA reported.

      Melinda Herman told police that she started shooting when the man opened the door to the crawl space. He pleaded with her to stop, but she kept firing until she was out of bullets, she told police. She then fled to a neighbor's house with her children.

      Would you like me to find more examples?

      http://www.abc57.com/seen-on/wednesday/Florida-elderly-man-stops-armed-robbery-162848846.html

      OCALA, Fla. -- An elderly Florida man became a hero after he stopped an armed robbery.

      Surveillance video showed two men, one armed with a gun and the other with a baseball bat trying to rob an internet cafe.

      It happened last week Friday. Samuel Williams, 71, jumped into action. He pulled out a gun and started firing.

      Both 19-year-old suspects were shot and taken to a hospital in Gainesville.

      Williams does have a license to carry a gun and does not face any charges.

      Wait let me do another search.

      • 2 votes
      #91.2 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:54 PM EST

      Here's another.

      http://triangle.news14.com/content/top_stories/686219/cleveland-co--man-stops-robbery-at-neighbor-s-house

      LAWNDALE, N.C. -- A Cleveland County man said he foiled thieves who broke into his neighbor's house.

      Tim Canipe said he scared away two men from the house then pursued the suspects as they tried leaving his Lawndale Community last Thursday. He said the suspects broke-in through the home's back door.

      He said he chased one of the suspects as they where trying to run away. Canipe used his gun to convince the suspect to stop and wait for authorities.

      “If you are a thief this isn't a good neighborhood to be in because I may not be as lenient the next time,” said Canipe. “If they are going to be that stupid I may be that stupid too.”

      Cleveland County Sheriff's deputies arrested and charged Matthew Stacey, 25, and Brandon Shires, 26, with breaking and entering.

      • 2 votes
      #91.3 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:00 PM EST

      Here's another. Would you like me to keep going?

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/02/01/oklahoma-woman-who-fought-off-intruder-a-gun-rights-symbol-favors-background-checks/

      Sarah Dawn McKinley, a young mother from Oklahoma, was thrust into the national spotlight this week when conservatives at the Senate gun hearing cited her run-in with intruders to make the case against Obama’s new gun proposals. On December 31, 2011, Ms. McKinley, at home with her three-month-old baby, fought off two men, killing one who was bearing a knife with her shotgun.

      At the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, conservative activists — such as Gayle Trotter — and GOP Senators cited Ms. McKinley’s case to make the case against new gun laws. Ms. McKinley’s story riveted the hearing.

      I just got off the phone with Ms. McKinley, and what she told me will give a boost to people on both sides of the argument. She told me she does not favor an assault weapons ban, even though she didn’t use an assault weapon in warding off her intruders.

      But Ms. McKinley said she supports the idea of expanding the background check system, telling me: “Anybody should be willing to get a background check that wants to take a gun.”

      “I completely agree with background checks,” she said. “If I want a gun I have no problem getting one. I don’t see why anybody would have a problem getting a background check if they have nothing to hide.”

      • 2 votes
      #91.4 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:08 PM EST

      The antidote to anecdotes -- facts...

      • 1 vote
      #91.5 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:28 AM EST

      Now David, you bad, bad man, you STOP that..Giving EXAMPLES that go AGAINST the "Agenda" of the media and the President..I smell a "DRONE" attack comming on..

      • 2 votes
      #91.6 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:54 AM EST

      More lies from the lib propaganda machines that only know how to repeat the lies they are told because they do not know how to do any real research!!!!

      They hate when those real facts come out, they just cannot handle the truth!!!! so keep up giving them the truth on the facts of how more people are save with firearms every year than are killed by them and for every time a firearm is used in a crime it is used at least ten times to prevent or stop a crime!!!!

      • 2 votes
      #91.7 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:20 AM EST
      Reply

      They forgot to mention that the victim had a prior felony arrest for drug trafficking.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#92 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:58 PM EST

      hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - interesting. I think we will be surprised at the outcome to this so called poor victim story!

        #92.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:30 AM EST
        Reply

        Those two black men did NOT intend to kill; they were only seeking to redistribute wealth. I have no doubt that they had conceal carry permits and the weapons used were properly registered. Since the father was not armed, they were able to escape without consequence and will continue to pass the background checks when they upgrade their arsenal at the local Wal-Mart. The child can now grow to womanhood proud that her father gave his life to contribute, in some small way, to bringing South Florida closer in spirit to the President's hometown, Chicago. Soon we hope to see this sacrifice spread nationwide, will countless fathers dying to further the just enrichment of those who are less fortunate. A great day to be an Amerikan!!

        • 4 votes
        Reply#93 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:58 PM EST

        Sounds like you spent too much time in the sun with NRA advertisements blaring through your head.

        • 1 vote
        #93.1 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:18 PM EST

        pig; sounds like you spent to much time listening to all of the lies and propoganda from the lib news and the white house!!!!!!

        • 2 votes
        #93.2 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:26 AM EST

        pig - you might be able to think better with your head extracted from Fienstien's arse.

        • 1 vote
        #93.3 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:52 AM EST
        Reply

        It's true that no one impeded this poor man from having a gun or guns. No one really knows what would have happened if he did, but it probably wouldn't have been worse. But to see the amazing anger coming out of the right-wing posters here is disgusting. And the anger isn't aimed at the criminals - it's aimed at the people who want to END this obscene madness. Maybe if Florida wasn't one of the states where you can get a gun with a minimum of interference, for instance Florida gun trader dot com, the bastards who did this, who were described in the article as "heavily armed", might not have been so heavily armed. Unfortunately, we're saturated with guns. And the stockholders of the weapons manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank every time there is a new story about gun violence. Instead of trying to find a solution, they scream about more guns - that's all they're capable of.

          Reply#94 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:11 PM EST

          YOUR President has done MORE to EXPLODE 'gun ownership" in this country in the last three months, than ANYTHING or ANYONE in the past 15 YEARS..I honestly think that someone ought to check and see IF he's got stock in the gun and ammunition's manufacturing sector, cause they are BOOMING

          • 1 vote
          #94.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:59 AM EST

          You really need to get off the caffeine and the all cap's key. Smile, be happy.

            #94.2 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:18 AM EST

            Actually guitar, the anger is at both the criminals and the ignorant politicians and morons like you who think the stupid proposals will do one damn thing to stop gun violence.

            The ignorant politicians that are pushing this proposal know full well that it will not stop this kind of stuff from happening. It will not prevent the majority of violence at all from happening!!! They have all of the data and it proves that it will not stop the crimes or prevent the shootings!!!

            If you looked at some actual stats you would see that the so called assault weapon is only responsible for maybe .0001% of gun related deaths! if you know what an actual assault weapon was you would know that they are not used at all!!!

            If the politicians really wanted to do something to stop this kind of stuff from happening they would go after the criminals, not the law abiding citizens!

            If they wanted to stop this kind of stuff from happening they would make sure that the laws we currently have were enforced.

            They would quit sending firearms to the cartels and I am not talking about the fast and furious, I am talking about sending massive firearms to countries with corrupt politicians and cops who turn around and sell them to the cartels... Mexico and Columbia politicians and cops are doing this daily and there is plenty of proof of it!!! The cartels then sale them to the gangbangers in the USA and that has also been proven!

            If politicians really wanted to stop things like this from happening they would make laws that made criminals afraid to carry a firearm. They would make mandatory sentences for criminals that use firearms to commit crimes!! Any convicted felon that uses a firearm to commit a crime should receive a mandatory life sentence or at least 15-20 years added onto their punishment. If a convicted criminals takes a life they should get an automatic death sentence!!!!

            If they really wanted to stop this stuff they would make prisons into prisons not vacation get aways!! They would make them into work prisons where they only get two meals a day and are required to work 6 days a week 12 hours a day, if they refuse to work then 23 hours a day in a cell with nothing but a toilet and a blanket and only one meal a day. Mandatory that everyone gets their heads shaved, mandatory no mail or visitation but one day a week, no such thing as special visits with spouses, No TVs, no games, no gyms, no basketball or any other sports but on one day a week, I even think they should go back to the ball and chain, and they should definitely have to work to raise their own food, no free medical or dental if they need they pay for it, no soda nothing but water or one meal a day milk. They need to make a prison sentences a punishment that people are afraid of!!! Unfortunately libs destroyed the prison system and turned into a get away play time!!!!

            When criminals know that they are going to be really punsished they will back off on the criminal activity and if they know full well that a firearm put them in a work camp for 10-15 years mandatory they would not be so happy to use them!

            As long as criminals know that they can commit crimes and no real punishment will happen to them or that they will just go to a prison that they can hang out and play ball or lift weights and learn more about crime they will never stop commiting violent gun crimes!!!

            • 1 vote
            #94.3 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:54 AM EST
            Reply

            NewEnglandGirl-

            Just another incoherent rant. For instance, you speak of "getting off the government tit" yet are basically demanding that "the government" create the jobs for us to do so. Understand this, the government doesn't create jobs, although it can be highly effective in creating the proper environment for job creation. The real job creators are workers with decent paying jobs. Let's throw the ball into the right court and lambast businesses that send jobs overseas in the search for even more obscene profits. And how you make the leap from this father's death to the idea that increasing control over gun availability won't work is astonishing. Even assuming this man had a gun and given the fact that they were ambushed would suggest that he would not have had time to get the gun, unless of course he was wearing strapped to his hip while spending quality time with his wife and daughter.

              Reply#95 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:16 PM EST

              The government CAN create jobs. What they can't create is wealth. What they CAN do is stifle ability of the market to create jobs. The government gave tax incentives to companies to move jobs to China and Mexico and other countries, in the name of "globalization." Couldn't see the inevitable outcome?

                #95.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:24 AM EST
                Reply

                If the guy had been armed he may or may not have survived. Probably would have had a better chance. He just needed a handgun or a shotgun, though, and not an assault rifle; that wouldn't have made a difference.

                  Reply#96 - Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:17 PM EST

                  Shotgun. Sawed-off. Bigger pattern. Don't need to aim.

                  • 1 vote
                  #96.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:26 AM EST
                  Reply

                  These felons will repeat this crime. That's what's so scary. We need people to act as community watchdogs, and to work with police because we have some real mosters out there. It's never been this bad. Our country's out of control. We need to have capital punishment in all states and to execute such criminals immediately.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#97 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:08 AM EST

                  Its NOT the monsters fault, its the GUNS..I'm sure you got the Memo, didnt you?

                  • 1 vote
                  #97.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:00 AM EST
                  Reply

                  I'm a lifetime card-carrying member of the NRA and I'm for background checks and closing the gunshow/want ad loophole. I also own stuff the libs wanna outlaw. Another example of how a crime could have been prevented. Genie's out of the bottle and you're delusional if you think the govt is taking weapons out of criminal hands!

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                  Reply#98 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:25 AM EST

                  Gun show loop hole fine..But HOW does a "private citizen" DO a background Check BEFORE he sells his gun/guns to someone else?

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                  #98.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:02 AM EST

                  no such thing as a gunshow loophole, just propaganda to scare the anti gun people who are so afraid of law abiding citizens but have no problem with the criminals having them. All Legal firearms dealers must complete a firearms sales background check!!!! It is the law already!!! So making another law to do it is kind of ignorant now isn't it?

                  The only ones who do not have to complete a background check when selling a firearm is the citizens that make a one to one sale and that is because there is no way for the citizens to complete one. I know that they are trying to push this with a fee so that they can steal more money from the law abiding citizens of this country!!!! Even then how do they plan on enforcing it? If I sell a firearm to someone there is no way of them making me do a background check!!!

                  Now I want to make it clear that I do not sell firearms to anyone that I do not know quite well so, this would not affect me but none the less some people do sell firearms but most of them do at least make sure they have a drivers license and are of age and that is the best they can currently do! Most criminals do not buy any of their firearms legally, they either rob someone or they buy them on the blackmarket and many of them are brought into this country illegaly!

                  This gunshow loophole lie all started with the slob Michael Moore and his lies about the gunshows. I would be willing to bet that most of the firearms that were bought by that slob were actually done with a background check and he just lied about it. It would not be the first time that slob lied about something like that!!!

                  If the libs and politicians really want to stop the violence from criminals with firearms they need to make laws that make criminals afraid to use firearms!!!

                  The libs think that all criminals should be given a resort stay, not a prison stay, and millions of dollars since it is everyone elses fault that they are criminals, it is especially the white mans fault!!!

                  If criminals are really punished it is treating them badly and that is not fair to the criminals. It is not like the criminals deserve to be punished, it is your fault they are the way they are!!!

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                  #98.2 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:14 AM EST
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                  I smell a rat and it is not one of the gun man! It won't take long to sniff this one out!

                    Reply#99 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:29 AM EST

                    This will be the national scenario when only the criminals have guns...

                    Oduma, instead of trying to take the guns out of the homes of the law-abiding, why don't you put the effort into taking the criminals off the streets by any means necessary...which is it...is it really more about gun control or taking out the gangstas/thugs etc...

                    have mandatory sentences and double it for any illegal crime committed with a firearm

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                    Reply#100 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:04 AM EST

                    Gun advocate: "if only the homeowner had a gun..."

                    That homeowner would have had to be ready for the home invasion, which apparently took the family by surprise. Even if he had a gun (we don't know whether he did), the fact of the surprise invasion precluded him from accessing and using his gun to defend his home and family.

                    It's just one of those freak things.

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                    Reply#101 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:24 AM EST

                    How do we know the victim didn't own a gun? All the article says is two heavily armed men broke into the home around midnight. If the family was asleep and the intruders were able to enter without their knowledge, they could have had weapons pointed at them and had no chance to retrieve a firearm.

                    No one knows the circumstances of the situation, but everyone is trying to use it to make a political point.

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                    Reply#102 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:34 AM EST

                    Thats because we've LEARNED from the Master..ObamaGod..

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                    Reply#103 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:04 AM EST

                    Two very twitchy dog's as alarm system = Bad guy's get a minimum of a triple tap from whatever firearm is closest. Gun control is grouping your shots.

                      Reply#104 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:12 AM EST

                      find and execute...

                        Reply#105 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:14 AM EST

                        These are all stories based on the "victims" and I no longer believe either side. It is all politics.

                          Reply#106 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:19 AM EST

                          If the politicians really wanted to do something to stop this kind of stuff from happening they would go after the criminals, not the law abiding citizens!

                          If they wanted to stop this kind of stuff from happening they would make sure that the laws we currently have were enforced.

                          They would quit sending firearms to the cartels and I am not talking about the fast and furious, I am talking about sending massive firearms to countries with corrupt politicians and cops who turn around and sell them to the cartels... Mexico and Columbia politicians and cops are doing this daily and there is plenty of proof of it!!! The cartels then sale them to the gangbangers in the USA and that has also been proven!

                          If politicians really wanted to stop things like this from happening they would make laws that made criminals afraid to carry a firearm. They would make mandatory sentences for criminals that use firearms to commit crimes!! Any convicted felon that uses a firearm to commit a crime should receive a mandatory life sentence or at least 15-20 years added onto their punishment. If a convicted criminals takes a life they should get an automatic death sentence!!!!

                          If they really wanted to stop this stuff they would make prisons into prisons not vacation get aways!! They would make them into work prisons where they only get two meals a day and are required to work 6 days a week 12 hours a day, if they refuse to work then 23 hours a day in a cell with nothing but a toilet and a blanket and only one meal a day. Mandatory that everyone gets their heads shaved, mandatory no mail or visitation but one day a week, no such thing as special visits with spouses, No TVs, no games, no gyms, no basketball or any other sports but on one day a week, I even think they should go back to the ball and chain, and they should definitely have to work to raise their own food, no free medical or dental if they need they pay for it, no soda nothing but water or one meal a day milk. They need to make a prison sentences a punishment that people are afraid of!!! Unfortunately libs destroyed the prison system and turned into a get away play time!!!!

                          When criminals know that they are going to be really punsished they will not be so willing to commit criminal activity and if they know full well that a firearm put them in a work camp for 10-15 years mandatory they would not be so happy to use them either!

                          This is the only Gun laws that I am willing to vote for, especially since they already do background checks when they sell firearms so I see no reason to have another law saying mandatory background checks, it already is mandatory! It is just that currently the background paperwork is destroyed after 6 months and the anti gun goons and the lib/progressive/socialists want to keep track of everyone who buys a firearm and that cannot be allowed to keep track of who owns a legal firearm or track law abiding citizens in a free nation!

                          For those of you that will bring up the ignorant car comparison, you need to remember that firearms are protected under the Constitution and Cars are not!!!!!

                          Not only that if you want to compare cars to guns lets compare the deaths caused by automobiles and lets make sure that we pass laws to outlaw fast cars and put governers on all of the others so they can only go 10mph since most deaths happen at speeds above 20mph. We should also outlaw all motorcycles that go fast, and not allow kids to ride in cars, and most of all make it so that you must be 21 in order to own or drive a car!!!!

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                          Reply#107 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:24 AM EST

                          If the politicians really wanted to do something to stop this kind of stuff from happening they would go after the criminals, not the law abiding citizens

                          Yes and enforce the laws already on the books.

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                          #107.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:53 AM EST
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