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Subscribe to RSSKaren and Jim Reynolds, the couple who accidentally stumbled upon fugitive Christopher Dorner, describe finding him, being tied-up, what he said to them, and their eventual escape.
The chase, shootout, standoff and inferno that ended the search for ex-LAPD officer Christopher Dorner began when a married couple startled the suspect in his mountainside hideout.
When Karen and Jim Reynolds arrived to tidy their rental cabin not far from a police command post, they found the alleged cop killer holed up inside.
“He said four or five times that he didn't have a problem with us, he just wanted to clear his name,” said Jim Reynolds at a press conference late Wednesday. “He said I don't have a problem with you so I’m not going to hurt you.”
“I didn't believe him, I thought he was going to kill us,” he added.
Dorner, the target of the biggest manhunt in LAPD history, then tied them up, swiped their purple Nissan Rogue SUV and left.
"We haven't really been told what's happened to it," said Karen Reynolds.
Dorner might have had a chance to flee the Big Bear ski resort area where scores of police had conducted a door-to-door search for him — except Karen Reynolds got free, called 911 and alerted cops that a man who looked like Dorner was on the run, the officials said.
After a long manhunt culminating in gunfire and a cabin set ablaze, the search for accused murderer and ex-cop Christopher Dorner seems to have ended. Police say the charred body found inside the cabin was unrecognizable, but they claim there is no doubt their suspect is dead. NBC's Miguel Almaguer reports.
"What we did was kind of scoot our way — I went up and she went down," said Jim Reynolds. "then she got her gag off and then we both worked on trying to stand up."
Earlier reports, based on statements from law enforcement officials, indicated that it was a pair of housekeepers who had been tied up by the suspect.
"We really very much wanted to clarify things," said Karen Reynolds, "but, it was taking us a whole lot of time to get over the trauma too and, like even by the time all the police were gone last night you guys [reporters] arrived immediately and, wasn't, we never slept for one second, since this happened."
The 911 call set in motion a dramatic and tragic chain of events in which one sheriff’s deputy was killed in a gun battle outside a second cabin where the suspect’s charred body would be found before the day’s end.
“It was like a war zone and our deputies continued to go in to that area,” San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said at a press conference Wednesday afternoon. “The rounds kept coming, but our deputies didn’t give up.”
Police have not officially determined that the corpse found in the burned-out county was Dorner, who kept southern California in fear for a week as, authorities say, he carried out a murderous campaign of revenge against the LAPD. They are waiting for forensics.
The San Bernardino Sheriff’s office has said they don’t believe the gunman who barricaded himself inside the cabin escaped before it erupted in flames.
“We believe that this investigation is over at this point and we’ll need to move on from here,” said McMahon.
McMahon said police did not intentionally set the cabin ablaze, but the pyrotechnic tear gas canisters — commonly referred to as “burners,” he said — generate a high level of heat.
It was when police began using the pyrotechnic canisters to flush out the suspect that the fire began.
The charred remains of the cabin where ex-cop Christopher Dorner was believed to have been holed up.
The LAPD, which had been under a series of tactical alerts while Dorner was on the lam has returned to normal operations on Wednesday, although a dozen people on hit list remained under guard, said Lt. Andy Neiman.
"Thanks to the brave men and women of the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department, it looks like we have our man," Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" early Wednesday.
Investigators had been combing the ski resort area since Thursday, when Dorner’s burned out Nissan truck was found there hours after he allegedly ambushed cops in two cities, killing Officer Michael Crain.
Days earlier, police believe, Dorner executed the daughter of a retired police captain and her fiancé in Irvine to kick off a killing spree that sowed fear across the region and in the ranks of law-enforcement.
After the man believed to be Dorner fled the cabin where he had encountered the couple, wardens from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife spotted the purple Nissan and gave chase.
The suspect lost them and, it appears, ditched the Nissan and carjacked a white pickup.
Rick Heltebrake, 61, told TODAY on Wednesday that he was driving near the Boy Scout camp he operates when a heavily armed man he recognized as Dorner, 33, crawled out of the woods, pointing a rifle at him.
He said the hulking former Navy reservist was wearing camouflage and a ballistics vest and told Heltebrake, “I don’t want to hurt you.”
“He was dressed for action,” Heltebrake said.
Dorner commandeered the pickup, but let the man and his dog go. Shortly after Dorner sped off, Heltebrake heard gunshots.
That may have been the brief exchange of fire between Dorner and another game warden who spotted the pickup and pursued it. The warden’s truck was riddled with bullets, but he was not hurt, officials said.
Dorner then “fled into the forest and barricaded himself inside a cabin,” the San Bernardino Sheriff’s office said. “A short time later there was an exchange of gunfire between law enforcement and the suspect.”
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Det. Jeremiah MacKay, 35, was killed on Feb. 12, 2013, after exchanging gunfire with a man believed to be a fugitive ex-police officer accused of a revenge-motivated shooting spree.
Two deputies were shot and taken to Loma Linda University Hospital, where officials later confirmed sheriff’s deputy Jeremiah MacKay had died and another had surgery but was expected to survive.
MacKay, 35, joined the department in 1998 and was father to a 7-year-old daughter and 4-year-old son.
“Our department is grieving from this event,” said McMahon.
No further shots were fired from the Angelus Oaks cabin before police began to storm the building, according to a sheriff’s spokesman.
Deputies smashed the cabin’s windows, fired in tear gas, and tore through the structure’s walls using an armored personnel carrier, a source close to the probe told NBCLosAngeles.com. A single gunshot then rang out, according to the source, and flames and smoke began to emerge from the remains of the building.
It was hours before police were able to enter the cabin and find the body. Investigators continued to scour the crime scene Wednesday as other police gathered in Riverside for the funeral of Officer Crain.
San Bernardino, Calif., County Sheriff John McMahon says that the sheriff's department did not intentionally burn down a California mountain cabin where Christopher Dorner is believed to have died. Watch the entire news conference.
Neiman said it was difficult to celebrate the apparent end to the rampage given the loss of four lives, two of them lawmen.
“This has been a very trying time,” he said. “To hear those words ‘officer down’ is the most gut-wrenching experience you can have as a police officer,” Neiman said.
Additional reporting by Andrew Rafferty
This story was originally published on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:20 PM EST
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I thought I got to hear the guy screaming to death on ktla t.v. , it was alive broadcast.....
Interesting, cops tried to murder a 71 year old mother and daughter while they were AT WORK delivering newspapers, and now a mother and daughter "supposedly" are the reason why he got busted.
This gets more like a "Jason Bourne," movie every day.
Ass kissing time huh Antonio....LOL
But the San Bernardino Sheriff’s office has said they don’t believe the gunman who barricaded himself inside the cabin escaped before it mysteriously erupted in flames.
mysteriously ????
Yeah right.......
The CA police is the most corrupted in the country and the only reason they killed him is because they don't want the public to know the truth, However that does not excuse him killing all those people he could have halndle his frustration in a different way.
Dorner was a dead man walking the moment the first police officer died and he knew it. There was no way he was going to be taken alive even if he spent his last bullet.
I will not praise him for the killing he did but I will say he tied up a Mother and Daughter instead of shooting them in the back.. very interesting
@ moshuluu
Interesting to say the least. Dorner left behind a mother and sister. Must be mom and daughter week.
I had the same thought. It would have been more to his benefit to get away to murder these two women. Of course he may have thought he would be long gone by the time they got loose.
So the LAPD wants to backtrack on the bounty on this mans life, even though they were the same people who carried out his execution, with extreme prejudice. Investigate now!
San Bernardino, Calif., County Sheriff John McMahon says that the sheriff's department did not intentionally burn down a California mountain cabin where Christopher Dorner is believed to have died. Watch the entire news conference.
Nice bald faced lie there sheriff. We all heard it on the police scanner that was RECORDED. Sucks to be you guys. Now the cover-up begins?
The moment that he murdered the unarmed woman and her fiance he lost any sympathy he might have been able to get over what he felt was an unjust termination.
From that point on, he was just a thug and murderer.
Well, thats over with.. wasn't something going on with the president and congress yesterday ...
"Mysteriously caught fire"?
mystery solved.What a bunch of idiot.
bennyover wrote: "I will not praise him for the killing he did but I will say he tied up a Mother and Daughter instead of shooting them in the back.. very interesting"
He also carjacked a pickup truck and told the driver "I don't want to hurt you" and let him be. I don't know what's interesting about that. He had a list of people that he was after and left others alone.
I can't forget the story that a man was trying to run out of the building when a police officer pushed him back inside. If that is true, he was deliberately burned alive. I just hope that he killed himself instead...but that report of a man screaming in agony is really horrible, so I think there should be an investigation. I might add that I have no question at all that the man was a raving lunatic, but that would not justify cold-blooded murder by the police.
when the t.v. helicopters...are told to quit filming ...WACO happens...
All of California wasn't afraid...just the police. From all accounts this guy sound like he was screwed over. No one carries a grudge like that when they're not innocent. This guy probably was just an innocent whistle blower and some other people have blood on their hands as well
This large structure was a "cabin" ?
I'm with you, Roy. While Dorner may have been unjustly treated by his employers while at the LAPD, that in no way excuses or even mitigates what he did. He made up a hit list and murdered innocent people. That doesn't make him a hero, it makes him a cold-blooded killer
I once got drummed out of job for reporting that the HR directer kept groping me. Based on some of the comments I've seen here, it would have been perfectly okay for me to grab one of my guns and carry out some vendetta.
want to bet? me ex carried a grudge against for 8 years because I beat him at Trivial Pursuit
Too bad they didnt get a chance to take him out in full view of the jerks thats actually supported this loser.
In no way will I ever approve of what Dorner did. The revenge killing of Monica Quan and her boyfriend Keith Lawrence was totally unacceptable. They had nothing to do with his release from the LAPD. Dorner must have done that because they were easy targets and that he wanted to make her father suffer. The killing of the two police officers unacceptable. BUT...
-Dorner could have harmed/killed the two cleaning ladies and chose not to.
-Dorner could have barricaded himself inside the 1st rental where he tied up the two ladies and started shooting at the police just down the road, but did not.
-Dorner could have harmed/killed the man with the dog in the truck that he commandeered, but did not.
The man was very upset over his being let go for doing what he thought was the right thing and I would not be surprised that there is some truth in his rantings. I doubt we will ever truly know. As for the police officers that shot at 2 suspected vehicles, which turned out to not be Dorner...they have some explaining to do.
The media says nothing about the cabin owners. I would think that the media would have checked that out by now and be literally hounding those people for an interview. Does fire insurance cover catching on fire after tear gas bombing?
schizophrenia [and other types of mental illness] lead people to believe things that may not be true. Of course, he may have gotten a raw deal, but if he was paranoid enough, those bad things might have been exaggerated to the point that he would kill people over past insults.
I don't want to tell people what to do, but when you call people 'wackos' and 'creeps', you perpetuate the idea that mental illness is taboo. That attitude prevents people from getting psychiatric treatment, because they don't want to think of themselves as crazy and they have distorted ideas about "shrinks". A couple of sleeping pills and a chat might have prevented this whole sad scenario from happening. I bet that years from now people will still be arguing about what really caused all of this.
Nothing can justify this mans actions. Even if his career was ruined because he's black, even if there was a conspiracy, those specific cops and civilians that he shot had nothing to do with it. There is nothing that can justify hurting an innocent person. Nothing. Dorner can burn in hell
People are trying to make some conspiracy theory out of this. But no sane person who has problems with his employer suddenly comes out and says he plans to kill them, their families and their children and begins to do so. The sane thing to do it bring it to court - not force a situation where the only possible result will be your own death after you've killed off other innocent people.
One other note. His actions over this last week seem to justify that there was something wrong with him which caused his being fired from the police force.
I can't believe there are actually people out there trying to make a hero out of this guy. He may or may not have gotten a bad break with his discharge from the force. But his murders weren't committed in a frenzy of righteous anger. They were coldly and calmly plotted over considerable time by a man who was clearly some kind of sociopath. He probably told himself what a great guy he was when he spared the two women and the driver of the second truck. Based on his manifesto he saw himself as some kind of crusader and he was undoubtedly convinced that he was right and everyone else was wrong. That pretty much sums up the definition of a sociopath. He was a stone killer. The methods used to take him down, especially after he shot two more officers in the process, seem perfectly reasonable to me.
The TRUTH will never be told!
The police, acting in total disregard for PUBLIC SAFETY were busy shooting innocents in their quest to find Dorner = newspaper deliverers, and a surfer!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/lapd-shooting-at-innocent-people_n_2638701.html
By the way, the most corrupt police force in the United States is the ALASKA STATE TROOPERS, shoot first, no matter the "weapon" the Troopers are contested with (baseball bat, broom handle) and all TROOPER SHOOTING incidents are ALWAYS JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE!
Do they get the million bucks reward. If not who gets it. I think they were just giving people a line of crap about a reward. Let me know who get's it. The poore lady's cabin that got burned down won't get skawat unless she has insurance.
If he had been caught alive it would have been years in court before he was convicted. Remember were talking about California here. Saved the taxpayers alot of money the way it turn out.
I wonder how long it will take the cleaning ladies to be awarded the $1 million reward. I'll be waiting with bated breath, watching TV news to see when that happens. Any day now, I'm sure...
So who else felt depressed the moment the news broke that they caught him in that cabin? I thought surely, he'd last for weeks, or maybe months! I've read one too many novels.
Time for the conspiracy theories to show up in huge numbers. Brush the dust off your tin foil hats folks.
I'm betting no one will be getting that million. To conspiracy theories jokes, not all supposed conspiracy theories have come out to be just theories. Sometimes the best way to lie is to tell half truth in ways they can easily be twisted in both directions, lol taking off my tin foil now.
This was a PUBLIC PERSONAL EXECUTION, that millions were basically forced to witness! Where were the fire crews? The fire was intentionally set, with disregard to the forest area around it. I do not condone murder. But I do not condone fascist organizations either i.e. 'The LAPD.' This event is just a reminder that you can kick a dog, but one day it will turn on you!
San Bernardino county Sheriff John McMahon said, "The rounds kept coming, but our deputies didn't give up." All 100 of them stood firmly behind our armored vehicle as it tore down the walls of the cabin that was set afire by a couple of our incendiary tear gas grenades.
Although Doner's grievance became null and void when he killed the first victim, he nonetheless faced up with his enemy when he was confronted, too bad he did not live to tell the whole story behind his firing and dismissal from the Navy reserves.
Is "OOPS, I just shot an innocent unarmed civilian!" anywhere on that list?
mysteriously erupted in flames kinda like the branch divdidian fire strange
CNN doesn't employ the censors that MSNBC has:
"Audio from a Los Angeles television station captured the sound of someone early in the standoff shouting, "Burn it down ... burn that goddamn house down. Burn it down." It's not clear who used those words.
But the order to use smoke canisters -- "burners" -- didn't come for another two hours, according to San Bernardino County sheriff's radio traffic.
"Seven burners deployed, and we have a fire," one officer reported at 4:16 p.m. (7:16 p.m. ET)."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Yes clearly an "accident", wink, wink.
Between the execution order clearly displayed by the officers shooting up civilian vehicles and the order for news helicopters to stay away the ending is not surprising.
OK sheep, forget about everything that has happened we have "resolved" it all internally - Investigation over.
P.S.
Funny how they called the tear gas "burners" in this instance isn't it? I've never heard that term used when they use them to disperse crowds, usually it's "canisters" or I would think "smokers" would make sense..... clearly not their purpose this time.
I wonder who will play Chris Dorner when the film comes out?
Something is wrong there. You can hear on the audio the cops yelling burn it. Where was swat? They always make the scene and start the negoiations. They didn't want him alive. There may be an investigation but it will be a joke. Nothing will come of it and the crooked cops will get away with it like always. He could have killed more than what he did but had nothing against the other people. If he hadn't left the man and woman tied they couldn't have called the cops on him. He spared them and they more or less killed him for doing it. It doesn't surprise me any though. I wouldn't expect anything less. Good news for the LA cops though. They can go home now and wash their ass and change their drawers. The man they were scared @!$%#less of is out of their way. I hope the innocent people the cowards shot sue the hell out of them. Just shooting at a vehicle because it looks like one they were supposed to be looking for.
Why people find it interesting is that for the 'monster/insane/crazy' person they have made him out to be, letting 'innocent' people go who are not related to his grievance doesn't fit the description. Sounds again like he had his issues with certain people and their treatment of him.
He did bring it to court. The issue was the court of his peers was made up of individuals who had personal connections to the person he was accusing. That's not a 'fair' trial.
Interesting read, well the posts anyways... not one single person seems to have read the article... in, no where does it say he "did" kill anyone prior to the stand off at the cabin, only that he was the person of interest.
Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact he might have been set up? After all, it was an email of the "Manifesto" that was sent to CNN, don't recall them saying it was signed...
But just LOVE the way the cabin just happened to catch fire... also love how many of the reports and statments regarding finding his wallet and ID.. man, I want a fireproof wallet and ID, not to mention Police originally reported finding his wallet and ID before they ever thought to look around Big Bear...
Wouldn't it be really sad, if the real person behind it was the guy most likely to be hurt by his remaining alive?
Isn't it just a bit coincidental, that the first major target was not a Police Officer, but the daughter of a Police Officer... and then to shoot the boyfriend, yet... not hurt 3 people when in desperation mode?
He didn't even try to restrain one of them... Didn't cut the phone lines, remove the cell phones...
And yet, this was a guy on a manic killing spree?!?
Yep, anyone who believes the Police story needs to call their doctors and schedule a MRI on their brain.
How much did this wild west show cost? How much money have been spent on police overtime?. The inquiring minds want to know...
It does sound like the police did not want the man taken alive. Perhaps the case against him for the murders he was accused of was too weak to go to hold up in court, so killing him was the only way to silence him for good?
What about the officers who murdered the two women delivering papers? Will they be held accountable?
I am no fan of this man.... but this whole case, from start to finish, needs to be reviewed by an independent and unbiased third party.
@ pjam09 - here's a partial transcript from the audio
Transcribed clip of standoff with Dorner. This is evidence that the fire was intentional.
http://archive.org/details/DornerStandoff2
Some on this forum did not followed the begining story ........
The couple he killed ( young lady and fiancee ) was the daughter of a corrupt cop/lawyer /union rep ./that miss represented Dorner ,that is why he revenged and all the others where cops that was ether him shooting at or them .
And for thse who call him a lunatic ,once he defended us and we called him a HERO ,now he became a lunatic because we dumped him on the streets"NO GOOD " because he was trained to tell the truth .
We will see the movie that is going to tell the truth if it will be made by the actor that made "FAHRENHEIT"
I cannot come up with the name .......sorry .
I know a person who was in that situation like Dorner and now he is like a bomb walking on the street ready to explode and he wasn't like that before he was an fairly bullied on his job by the union and his pears.Do not play with human minds ,unless you know how to extinguish them .
So, I guess someone in the media F'ed up, prematurely broadcast incorrect info... that this sweet old couple were two CLEANING MAIDS -- WOMEN !! How do you confuse the man with a woman??
Listen to the video at 1:23 youtube .com/ watch?feature= player— embedded&v =sisVskohj1k (you'll have to remove the spaces...)
Now you tell me the cops didn't deliberately burn that cabin down. They have a LOT of conflicting stories on the so called "facts." How many times did they recover his identification? It was at the border, and then somehow they found i.d again at the cabin? LAPD is lying about some key points, and the question begs to be asked, "Why?"
Just listen to the video..."get the gas, burn it!" Yeah, they had no idea they were caught on tape.
Apparently no one informed Dorner that revenge is a dish best served cold.
"We really very much wanted to clarify things, said Karen Reynolds"
I would too... to get that $1,000,000 reward money !
Time to grieve, heal and right the wrongs. It's not a time for complacency.
So do the people whom lead to his death get the reward??
I'm not a conspiracy junky, but something doesn't add up here!! This guy is stating to his captives that he "just wants to clear his name" and he doesn't kill anyone he encounters in the mountain community. They are able to still talk to police and give statements. If he is such a kill-crazy fugitive, why leave witnesses that can give your whereabouts?? .........Also, if you look at other stand-offs with police across the country, they call in a negotiator and the stand off goes on for days, weeks. But in this situation, the cops went in guns ablaze and "accidentally" set the cabin on fire? I still think there is a major cover-up going on and a possible murder-by-cop situation?!?!?!!?! This just stinks!!
Started as kind of a "Serpico" type story, until he started to take action. I'm looking forward to the "facts" coming out ... but do they have a chance to be aired? This is one of those damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't situations. Some of us will never believe anything that comes from the "authorities," some of us will never believe anything that surfaces from the media (conspiracy theorists!), and the rest of us are just into this story for the entertainment value - watching waaaay too much Serpico/Harry/Bourne/Under Dog!
wilsonarden:
Kindly keep your silly, superfluous crap off of our discussion site, ok?
Tough situation all 'round. More evidence that ANYONE can snap, given the right correlation of forces. Not justifying any actions taken, by anyone, at this point.
It is, however, a "teachable moment" for all of us. Politics are in the air, and many will "make hay" of this most recent news.
On the radio this am, Laura Ingraham was calling out Dr. Mark Lamont Hill who said Mr. Dorner was some sort of "Superman" or "Django Unchained" in real life. An audio clip had Dr. Hill, a university professor, stating that this was "kind of exciting" to watch. Dr. Hill had it that this was what many "aggrieved" people should be doing. Unfortunately, Mr. Dorner's victims were co-workers, an Asian female law enforcement officer and a Black gentleman. Did Mr. Dorner's "manifesto" justify any of this killing, or did he just go psycho? If "permanent grievance" encouraged at university Black/Women's/Gender/Ethnic/etc. Studies departments, then everyone's life, liberty, and property is fair game. If someone has something you don't have, or if you just WANT IT, then you're justified in taking it, by "any means necessary." No laws, no conscience, no physical barriers can stand in the way. The problem becomes, what happens when a "permanently aggrieved" person, their ethnicity doesn't matter, comes after YOUR house, YOUR car, YOUR spouse, YOUR son or daughter, YOUR food/water/clothing, etc. Dr. Mark Lamont Hill's PhD won't keep him and his property and his family from becoming fair game.
Chris Matthews was interviewing a gentleman who was the former police commissioner of both Los Angeles and New York, asking him to help fill in the profile of this Navy war veteran as well as veteran police officer at the center of the case. It was telling that the commissioner ended his profile with the notion that Mr. Dorner, in his own mind, justified killing his fellow law enforcement officers because he was a narcissist and a "grievance accumulator" who added to the chip on his shoulder with any slight, any correction, any interaction that didn't "go his way." Isn't "grievance accumulator" the core of any Leftist group that needs anger and grievance to mobilize mobs (oops, I mean "occupiers" or "anonymous" activists)? All well and good until YOU have something somebody else ENVIES. The end result is replacing one set of "evil wealthy white people" with ANOTHER set of "evil wealthy white people" who manipulate the masses by a different brand of MALARKEY.
Were the San Bernardino Sherriff and other law enforcement justified in their actions? Dunno. Better wait for the full investigation. On the other hand, what else could they have done? It's hard to negotiate with a highly trained, highly armed, highly motivated individual with nothing to lose, and OBTW has already KILLED TWO COPS and is SHOOTING AT YOU. I defy ANYONE to have handled the situation any better or differently.
Teachable moment? Yep. For EVERYONE. How does that 60s song go? "Teach... your children well..."
Too bad this turd took four lives before he got flushed.
Thank you Dan 42!!
I always think that when i hear that "the entire strength of the NYC Police force is out looking for this cop-killer"
WTF? What if a civilian I love and cherish was shot dead? Would the ful strength of the force be looking for the person responsible. Hell no!
Bambi:
You must be educated on not protecting Dorner, because you think he had the right to kill 3 people, and critically injure 3 or more--he was a danger to Society. Another Nut.
Many people who have "beefs" do not KILL/MURDER--they take their problems to their friends, get counsel, or do not do anything pounding off more guns, rifles, loaded w/ammunition etc. into living human bodies..
Stop protecting this dead Monster--EVIL AT IT PUREST---take care of your friend who is about to explode, and report him to the Cops!---do you like murderers?. A person who defends a murderer, is actually a "silent" accomplice to the acts.
Are you freaking kidding me? Our own president doesn't respect the U.S. Constitution, but everyone is supposed to? Whatever.
I know I heard that Dormer tied up 2 women, but where did the married couple come in. I thought it was them that were tied up in a cabin that they owned and went to check on......
I agreed with what you had to say, DaveyJones, until you got to that point. Why single out Leftist groups? Any extreme, be it left or right, is equally capable of organizing a mob.
Take the Tea Party for example.
This is another example of how corrupt the media is! wake up americans the media is in control of almost everything! they can make or break anybody they choose to prey on. they hide behind the gize of "Jounalism" and slant the info to whatever their agenda is. The news is not news it is a big ass ball of speculation that should never be considered reliable. The Sandy Hook Hoax is a prime example. Beware!1 Ever tried to bring your own agenda to your local TV station? I know that they try to control our elections and a number of other Freedoms we have. Gun Control is a target for them because when we find that they are as corrupt as I know they are they will be ruuning for someplace to hide and DO NOT want us to have guns for that reason. The Revolution is coming and we Citizens need to be prepared for doing whatever we need to to keep our freedoms and NOT be SUBJECTS instead of citizens!!
This is no more then a poor excuse to get rid of someone. they did not want to capture a man and find out what was actually going on. They (the law) wanted to kill someone based on what is probably no more then propaganda. I wish I knew what really happened the man even told the couple all he wanted to do was clear his name. If he were guilty I don't think he would have told the couple this "I just want to clear my name." I think the whole thing is a big cover-up and someone should start hunting the paper trail and find where it starts.
I read in here were some of you are completely on the side of the law and you have found Dorner guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. String him up and stretch him out. you should read what #1.42 posted, the law did not show a bit of justice or even a chance to prove what really happened with this captain Dorner. what ever happened to do process. just maybe he didn't do what they said he did. listen to what is being said before you say someone is guilty because it is a long trip back from a lie.
Bill Weese, what choice did the police have? Dorner was armed and dangerous. His manifesto outlined his plot for revenge. He murdered innocent people. There was no way to know who he would try to kill next.
The public was in danger. Should the police have let him go?
Dorner could have turned himself in, or better yet, he could have gone about clearing his name (if that were possible) in a law-abiding way.
The way Dorner conducted himself demonstrates that he had evident emotional problems, and for that reason he was very likely justifiably terminated.
Why do some people want to turn a crazed killer into a Robinhood? Do people admire that he armed himself and lashed out with his guns? If so, do we have others--those who think him some kind of hero-- out there, ready to explode?
The guy went postal... he was stopped.
End of story.
Can't condone what this guy did.BUT,you need to investigate the possibility that there is something to the claims he was railroaded.Let's face it,us whities have a bad track record in the legal dept.Plenty of innocent blacks get snared in the legal system
Whether his firing over four years ago was unjust or not, he he made that irrelevant when he turned into a brutal vicious murderer. Remember Monica Quan and her fiance, a couple of innocent young people who were murdered simply because Dorner had a grudge against her father.
I'm horrified to see how many people have tried to in some way give excuses for this murderer. He was a psycho who had no regard for human life. It's irrelevant why he was fired. He proved his instability and the murders he committed cannot be excused away.
Sorry. It doesn't make that irrelevant unless life doesn't move on for the rest of the police force or the people who are trusting their lives and freedom to it.
This may be what happens in the minds of those who have had their heads shoved in the dirt about the corruption in power that's rampant in this country, but for those who don't actually require a baton across their own face to realize these things can affect us all? It's a bit different.
Hold the phone pained1, we actually agree on something. :) Ha, I'll be darned.
R Ruin, Your horrified to see? This guy was no psycho he was a man they framed and then pushed to far. Oh I don't condon what the man did but I quarantee you there's one hell of a cover-up going on here.
Allen...If you can read between the lines there was a cover-up....why would they post a million dollar bounty in the first 24 hours?....If he was a psycho as Ruin thinks he would have never made it as long as he did....eventually this will all come out and i bet it won't be pretty....he should have gone to a newspaper and got his story out first....but maybe there isn't any unbiased papers in california....
Allen=======This man was a cold blooded murderer who murdered individuals who had done absolutely nothing to him and didn't even know him. He deserved what he got. And , by the way , no one killed him. He killed himself , as the autopsy will demonstrate.
If he was really "railroaded" then he should have consulted an attorney to bring charges and a civil suit against his adversaries taking the fight through the judicial system. If he didn't have the cash he should have gone to the media or called Gloria Allred or something. Strapping on weapons and going Rambo on anyone affiliated with the LAPD makes for a good Hollywood movie, but in real life it's so wrong. The guy murdered a cop's daughter and her fiance of all people. He may have been a badass, but he was totally psycho. He got what he deserved.
Lol! White-guilt strikes again. Yeah, and blacks have a bad track record for raping the welfare system and mugging white people. Shall we continue the comparisons? For you pinheads defending him, perhaps it should've been one of yours who got shot. THEN you'd see things differently.
@duckdog, he was fighting his case for what, 5 years?! It's not like he got fired and the following week he went berserk. Lots of people are identifying with this guy because they too have had bad experiences with the law and it's soldiers. With all the instances of corruption and abuse by the LAPD, and plenty more departments by the way, you don't think there is nothing to it? Everyone is making the SAME story up? Come on.
@rbjk, I'm sure some of us might see things differently if one of ours was killed. But since we didn't work for, or have been 'railroaded' by the LAPD, we were not in that situation. And if we had to go through what Dorner supposedly had to, who is to say we wouldn't have done the same things as he?
Even steel cracks under pressure. Not saying killing the family members was right in any way. But if the ones are dirty like Dorner claims, they got what they had coming. Badge or no badge. Cops are not perfect nor or they gods. Even if some of them think they are. This was their day of reckoning.
Now, let's get to the cause of it. If we can. LAPD went to a whole lot of trouble, and possible expense, to kill this guy. Ask those two women and that man about that. They shot with no warning or provocation. They wanted him dead from the start.
rbjk017fs
He wasn't targeting one of ours, just good-for-nothing corrupt cops and their families. I was more scared of the cops than Dorner, b/c Dorner didn't shoot random citizens. Don't give me this nonsense about the cop's family being innocent b/c we all know that cops will always let their family members and other cops' family members get away with crimes and share in the corruption in the legal system. There was a SDPD captain's son who was driven halfway home in the front seat of a cop car after being accused of sexual assault, hitting a few people, and smashing their car window. Innocent?
We'll let's take a closer look at this picture. Dorner, with nothing to lose just tied up the two women didn't hurt either one. crawled out of the woods pointed his weapon at another man and told him he didn[t want to hurt him and let him go. This supposed to be psycho killer, had all this humanity but gunned down Quan and her Black Boy Friend. HEY FOLKS, MY HEAD DON'T SCREW ON & OFF LIKE THAT. HE DID NOT KILL THAT COUPLE. THE LA POLICE KILLED THEM, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
gary-309869, you don't think autopsy reports can't say what they want it to say?
When the idiot killed his 1st victim. All bets were off ... just maybe the thug's burnt to a crisp body was found with a bottle of Arizona Tea & a bag of Skittles next to it?
pained1
Check with your doctor, there's probably a pill for White guilt and bleeding heart syndrome.
He was a scumbag murderer, end of story!
really steamie??? maybe you just have a white hood and a noose....................... just sayin'
It's kind of funny how many people say he should have got a lawyer. He already had done the court thing this man pretty much felt he was on last option, if he felt the system was against him why would he think any lawyer could help? And all the talk of him killing innocent people who didn't know him also funny because we don't know the details. All articles mention him as a SUSPECT no footage shows him killing them. Also seems to me it was not so much over being fired but things he witnessed. If he killed innocent people I am not in favor but we have no proof, but we do know the police did injure innocent and admitted it.
Something is fishy here--do we even know that Dorner killed the first two people--or is that what we are being told??? Why would he kill his lawyer's daughter--his lawyer had said he tried to defend him and knew it was a bad rap---sounds like a way to shut up the lawyer--hmmm--I think this is way bigger than what we are being told.
White guilt? Its called history, shall be we list all the Supreme Court cases where all white Justices ruled against other groups that were clearly biased? Pained1 did have a point.
Also that the manifesto appeared to be written by two different people---could it have been written under the pressure from others.
Why is the police still protecting the people on the so-called "hit list?" The way the story spins they are "sure" it was Dorner. Seems to me if they were so "sure" they would have called off the "dogs!" California claims broke all day every day of the week, where did this Million dollar reward come from? And will the women and man share in the reward? The way LAPD luck is turning, I hope they didn't cook the wrong man!
I detest what Donner did period! The LAPD has been the most corrupt organization in the United States for years and dislike for people of color in the city is staggering, California in certain areas can be placed in the same category as places in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Texas, Tennessee, Arkansas and a few others, but the LAPD is the worst of all. LAPD is very quick to rush to judgement and they love to shoot. I won a free-paid trip for 7 days to California and refused to go because of the way the police treat people in LA. The LAPD is a true believer in the Code of Silence, that is what makes the organization so rotten to the core. NOW LAPD PAY THE MILLION DOLLAR BONUS TO THE PERSON WHO LEAD YOU TO DORNER. Dorner should have use a legal approach to expose the scum bags within the police department, there wasn;t a reason to kill the young lady and her friend. The LAPD, and I mean all involved, from top to bottom, was wholly afraid of this man and I believe he was fired based on some trumped up BS, but that is something no one will ever know, accept the LAPD organizers. The SUSPECT is now supposedly dead, now go and lick your wounds, just JUSTICE has been served and Dorner really didn't care about any badge carrier within the LAPD. Again! I detest the manner in which he (Dorner) handled this situation and his violent acts, but I detest the LAPD even more.
And the LAPD was going to offer him his job back
RRUIN how do you figured he had no regard for human life? He spared more than a few people that he could have dropped real easy. He had some regard or he wouldn't have done that.
I have no doubt that Dorner may have been unfairly dismissed. I am also certain they burned him out intentionally. Even the Sherrif's deparment announced that officers were instructed to shoot to kill, but to all you conspiracy nuts that think he was set up need to consider that innocent people do not arm themselves to the hilt and go Rambo in the woods. This guy had enough credibility as a Navy reservist and Police Officer that he could have gone to the Press (Who love to bash the LAPD) or even the US attorney Generals office.
So whether he was wronged or not becomes inconsequential when he exacted revenge on innocents, which I truly believe he was responsible for. He will never, in my opinion be vindicated regardless of what really happened to him.
He could have killed the two women, but didn't. I doubt he set the fire either.
plus he let the guy and his dog go earlier. AND his drivers license didn't burn in the fire? something is reallllyyyy fishy about this.
I don't see it as fishy at all, they murdered him to shut him up.
I think this audio tape is pretty obvious that the police started the fire
so who killed the daughter and her fiance?
also i agree with matt holtz. in the video you can see the officer throwing the thing then hear the explosion
The police threw in flash bangs which started the fire.
This guy was a vicious murderer. He brought it all on himself. Let me attempt to educate you conspiracy theory trolls. Tear gas canisters are very hot when they go off. If they come into contact with anything flammable it is very likely that they will start a fire. That has happened many times over the years. Remember the SLA shootout in 1974. The same thing happened.
There are hot and cold tear gas canisters, they used the hot , the "burners" intentionally wanting to set the place ablaze.
they killed him and they wanted to....the old Cowboys and Indians we watched as kids..smoke em out and shoot em..l
And let me try to educate the default idiot who believes self delusion and denial in the face of either undeniable reality or the existence of the unknown but not discountable is a reason to feel superior over those with the guts and common sense to consider beyond the safe status quo.
A conspiracy is nothing but an organized plan without integrity that is not universally known about, undertaken by more than one person. Those drones they're running around making excuses for and receiving Just In Time justification for deploying? Those used to be conspiracy theories. Before that they were sci-fi props.
That NDAA that allows you to be jailed forever without charges or rights? Just one more conspiracy/doomsday theory that cretins like yourself liked to assure everybody was nothing but dystopian fiction.
Which Path to Persia? The document written by the Brookings Institute that outlines exactly which countries the US should overthrow to re-eatablish and maintain supremacy? Sure conspiracy theory. Meanwhile? Only the last two countries on the list remain and we're standing on the welcome mats of both.
How do Mensa candidates like yourself miss the transition points? And what on Earth makes you think your ridiculous labels and accusations of paranoia mean anything to anyone who has actually studied the history of this country and has even a 7th grade understanding of the inevitability of human nature? It's low regard for fairness when such fairness gets in the way of self preservation?
Now run along and find a better way to deal with your paralyzing yet very justified fear that you are not the final word on what happens to you and yours and those that are trying to be are as concerned about your feelings on the matter and well being as they are that of the average ant.
Why are people supporting this guy? He killed 2 innocent people as revenge. That girl and her fiance had no reason to die. Why are we feeling sorry for him? In so many other news stories we would be calling for his blood, but since he claims he was fired for racist reasons, we are all so sorry. Screw that!
In his Manifesto, he said he was going to go "down in a blaze of glory". I personally think (my opinion) that the police would rather have seen him tried for his murders and then sentenced to death. That would be really making him pay for his crimes. After the murders he committed, I think his credibility in anything he said would be really questioned. Besides; who knows how much ammo he had with him. Once he ran out, it was game over. From what I read, the pickup truck he left behind with the broken axle had weapons and camping gear in it, Hard to carry all that stuff when you are caught in a snowstorm on a mountain.
Herrin: Who are you writing to?
What a saint!
The maids should get that reward!
If he killed one of your family members, you goons defending him would be singing a different tune. Ever think that if the police DID purposely start the fire, it was to smoke him out? Fishy ending or not, he killed several people, including a deputy.
Culheath should go to law school to become a state appointed defense attorney. He infers that Dorner is innocent because he didn't kill the 2 women at the cabin? There's an infinite list of crimes Dorner didn't commit, but he DID kill the daughter, the fiance and the cop in the photo above. Next thing you know Bob Dylan will write a song about him and he will become a folk hero. Only in America!
I think a person can be treated in such a way that they are pushed to the limit of what they can mentally bare. They snap and become something they never intended to be.
rbjk017fs
LAPD and Torrance police opened fire on several innocent people without having a positive ID. One was not physically injured, but those two older ladies were. Should we all just turn the other cheek on the violent cops rather than subject them to the criminal justice system for attempted murder? Are cops special and should not be subject to the same laws?
"Michael-3842950
This guy was a vicious murderer. He brought it all on himself. Let me attempt to educate you conspiracy theory trolls. Tear gas canisters are very hot when they go off. If they come into contact with anything flammable it is very likely that they will start a fire. That has happened many times over the years. Remember the SLA shootout in 1974. The same thing happened."
LOL I hope you're being sarcastic other wise don't you think its odd these flash bang and teargas canisters seem to always start fires in high profile cases? Lets see, Doner, SLA, Waco Tx etc etc. Also since these things are commonly used it would be a simple matter to throw something else and claim it was teargas or a flash bang.
"rbjk0174s
If he killed one of your family members, you goons defending him would be singing a different tune. Ever think that if the police DID purposely start the fire, it was to smoke him out? Fishy ending or not, he killed several people, including a deputy."
Dude we quit "smoking people out" sometime in the 1800's and of course we would be singing a different tune if he killed our family. However "revenge killing" isn't legal either and even if there is nothing to the corruption charges the cops still played judge jury and executioner yesterday. And I don't want to hear any BS that more cops might have been killed because, I'm sorry, danger is PART OF THE JOB, they signed up for it!
They could have just waited him out, he wasn't going anywhere. But no they had to go in and get him or better yet burn him out, or should I say "smoke him out". You can bet your last dollar that if there was a gun man held up next door to you and he didn't have anyone inside with him the cops would just sit outside until they talked him out or he got tired and came out.
But hey don't worry soon they will be able to "smoke people out" with hellfire missiles launched from drones! I bet you'd like that?
Just because a facebook page created less than a month ago with Dorner's name and some pictures does not prove it was made by him. Dummy facebook pages are a dime a dozen.The "manifesto" presented by the media itself goes from one style of writing at the beginning to completely irrelevant blabber at the end that leaves the seriousness of the former limp. Has anyone PERSONALLY witnessed any of these 'murders' that "Dorner" allegedly committed? Has it been fully investigated, ie: DNA, bullet case match, tied to the scene, 'questioning'? Is there video surveillance of any of his actions? If not, you have a reasonable doubt there right? This is straight witch hunting with extreme prejudice. Our courts of law and the right to a trial is meant to prevent exactly that. You think a frame job is only in the movies?
Add this to the end of youtube dot com
/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc
"Burn that FINKUCNG house down!" 'GET GOING RIGHT NOW, FINKUCNG BURN THIS MOTHERFKUECR" That sounds like insane ramblings of a killer...
Cops told the helicopters to go away, switched on their 'burners' and forced the man to fry. They probably waited till he was out of bullets so he couldn't shoot his way out.
While some may agree or disagree with their actions, what disturbs me is the blatant disrespect for the law of the land. We don't execute people by fire. It's against the constitution. They knew what they were doing when they used those burners.
And anybody would have ran out of the house when it was on fire yet Dorner did not? Or rather, he was not allowed too.
The police executed him in a cruel and unusual way. Even if it was under extreme circumstances, this underlines the disrespect officers have for the constitution and rights.
The cops lie about who started the fire, and they lie about hearing a single gun shot just before the fire started. That cabin was blazing all over, which could only come from multiple ignition points. They shouted out orders to fire on Dorner as he tried to escape the flames, which forced him back into the burning house. When your only choices are being hit with multiple weapons as you try to get outside, or burning to death from the intense heat of the fire, you have no choice but to eat a bullet by committing suicide.
They were determined to kill him no matter if he surrendered or not. That's why they shot up the truck with the two ladies inside. They weren't given a chance to put their hands up either. Of course the cops were such bad shots, they could only hit a 71 year old woman once, even after pumping over 30 rounds into the truck. Even during the final fire fight, they still couldn't hit Dorner. He of course took out a could more cops, killing one. Good for him.
Chris Dorner inspired me. I'll never forget him.
RIP Christopher.
8th Amendment trampled.
With his actions and his life (not calling him a hero) Dorner proved all his claims against the police
Excessive force: the two old ladies
Cover ups and secrecacy: Told the media to leave, even in helipcopters where there was no immediate harm
Lies: Lied about setting the cabin on fire
No respect for the law: See all of the above, including the trampling of the 1st and 8th Amendments
CNN doesn't employ the censors that MSNBC has:
"Audio from a Los Angeles television station captured the sound of someone early in the standoff shouting, "Burn it down ... burn that goddamn house down. Burn it down." It's not clear who used those words.
But the order to use smoke canisters -- "burners" -- didn't come for another two hours, according to San Bernardino County sheriff's radio traffic.
"Seven burners deployed, and we have a fire," one officer reported at 4:16 p.m. (7:16 p.m. ET)."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Yes clearly an "accident", wink, wink.
@ Michael-3842950 sorry there but they took the flammable components out of the regular tear gas to prevent fires. They have no excuse what so ever. What he did was not right but that does not give the cops the right to turn murderer to.
@ BPthegrape well put, great statement for people to realized what really happened.
Reason why law enforcement were cussing and screaming at reporters to back up. Of course, they didn't want any evidence to leak regarding Dorner's execution. Seriously people, look up tear gas or incendiary tear gas and research on how many incidents was it flammable. And when it did cause a fire, research if the fire department was called to put out the flames. This cabin was intentionally lit and left to burn out.
Instead of turning Dorner in for a trial, they executed him in a terrible way. Even mass murderers get more love than him. Law enforcement just created a big karma going their way. I really hope these crooked cops end up loosing their jobs for unethical behavior.
Dorner was fired from the LAPD because he reported an incident of police brutality which the LAPD determined was false, inspite of civillian wtnesses who corroborated his accusation. He tried to do the right thing, but ended up getting screwed over by the bureaucracy. This instilled within him a desire to strike back against the unjust system.
I don't agree with his decision to kill civillians. At the same time, at least he fought back. The reason this world screws so many people over is because those who are wronged feel helpless to do anything but sit back and take it. If more people fought back like Dorner did, the powers that be would have to give the every day Joe a lot more respect, and a lot less people would end up worked over by the system.
Fight back.
For the record -- THERE ARE NO MAIDS !!
Just the white-haired couple cleaning up around their cabin.
I'm not defending his actions, if they were his actions! .......The guy until a week ago or so, was an Officer in the Navy Reserves! He was just released with an honorable discharge by his own decision. You don't have a post like that if your f*cked up. (take that from myself, a former Navy Officer!!) He was fired because he stood up for what he thought was an injustice while he was an police officer....which just doesn't happen! Cops protect cops!! They live by a "cover each others *ss" code and if you don't abide by it, YOUR GONE! They reopened the case, he was terminated for, to be re-investigated just a few days ago. Now he is dead! Hmmmm....I just cant believe that anyone would just sit back and have a blind eye to the events that have happened in the case. If he killed the daughter/fiance, that is completely wrong but we need to dive into what has caused all this to unfold!
Culheath, I usually see things the same way you do, but not this time. Dorner shot and killed a young woman and her fiance. He had a plan for revenge and the girl was the daughter of one of his 'enemies'.
He was armed, dangerous and on the run. He broke into two cabins and stole two vehicles. He shot two law enforcement officers, killing one of them.
Dorner was no Robinhood. If indeed he had a legitimate grievance with the LAPD, he sure went about addressing it in a STUPID and destructive way.
His end was pre-ordained. He may have even figured out that he would be committing 'suicide by cop'.
"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves." ~ Confucius
KBT, culheath is a man of few words but worthy ones. However, I'm with you on this one.
Horror stories coming out of the LAPD and the NYPD are the stuff of 60 Minutes and other media outlets. All cops are not thugs, but when it comes to street dominance, the line from the Seargeant giving the morning shift brief on Hill Street Blues comes to mind: "Remember, Do it to them before they do it to you..." If you want to live, DON'T kill a cop.
Sounds like Dorner's dismissal from the Naval Reserves as well as from the LAPD was evidence of his life unraveling. Who really knows what was stalking Mr. Dorner. Once Schizophrenia starts ruling your world, all bets are off.
Obviously, very sad for all concerned.
Kaybeetoys, very SOLID quote.
You guys are mad dumb!!! The LAPD is corrupt and there was nothing other than murder that would've solved it! H already tried to do things the right way and they fired him. HE KNEW SOMETHING that were trying to cover up and for all you know, they were trying to kill him first. Movies aren't that far fetched you know? This began as a cover up and will end as one. This is why he DIDN'T kill innocent people and HE WANTED TO CLEAR HIS NAME!!! duh. If you can't see that, then you need a brain check!!! Shady A$$ police dept.
He was never dismissed from the Army Reserves. This was definately a cover up and I repeat, he did try to do things the right way and got screwed. #Team Dorner. I don't agree with murder, but I do agree with Karma and sometimes revenge. Shady officers. I see right through this. Too bad you all have your blinders on
At Michael whatever your number is.... no one is a conspiracy theory troll. Everything you read or hear on the news is not fact!!! There is a written document stating it is OK for the media to lie to you, which is FACT! Conspire that FOOL! America is full of lies and deceit. I bet you think Columbus really discovered America? When it has proven that Africans and Natives been here. This whole situation is shady, but if my family member was grease, then I guess they got what they deserved. Family or not!! No different tune sung here.
Hope those women get the reward money!
They should.
They deserve it!
The women won't get the reward. Just watch the crooked city cops will find a loophole to not have to pay any money.
They called the cops, they didn't bring the guy in or physically catch him. Don't get carried away.
TO: bluewave, Jeanette-767450, et al. They will not get the reward money. Here is why. The million dollars was for "information leading to the arrest AND conviction..." he was neither arrested nor convicted. To:rbjk0174s. The cops were not expecting people to physically capture the guy, all they needed to do was provide "information leading to the arrest ..." the police said he was "armed and extremely dangerous"; just as an editorial comment, he did not kill anyone who was not on his "hit list".
rbjk0174s
The deal was "they need to provide the LAPD with information that leads to the arrest or conviction" for the million dollars. The LAPD knew they were going to kill the guy no matter what so, why not offer a million that will "never ever ever" be collectable.... "like ....ever".
"rbjk0174s
They called the cops, they didn't bring the guy in or physically catch him. Don't get carried away."
The reward wasn't for bringing him in "dead or Alive" But I'm not surprised you would think so since you think Cops should be allowed to "Smoke people" out with fire.
I agree, the mother and daughter housekeepers should get the reward money.
@bill2010 They will get the reward when there's a Santa Claus. Nobody will get anything. It was only a ploy.
Only a fool will believe the LAPD will reward anyone. They can always lie and say, “based on my experience and training...”. - C.D.
"mysteriously went up in flames"? Hasn't it been reported that police fired "burners", a type of incendiary tear gas likely to cause a fire and on scanners police are heard to say "F'n burn the motherf'r"?
So what do you want them to say, "Stay alive so we can take care of you for the rest of your life". They made the right choice.
Their job is not executioner. It is apprehend. They made the right choice only if their intent was to shut him up by murdering him, which is what they did.
culheath, Your right there job is to bring them in. These guys will be on Obama's first to hire list when he gets his drone program going.
The Davidians Waco....burn em out.
culheath, shut him up about what? He's had his days in court and he has had 4 years to tell his story. He wrote a 22 page manifesto. As a probationary patrolman, the lowest man on the todempole, what more could he have possibly said that would rock LAPD's world?
Consider the wider investigation that would have taken place if he had had a public trial and the various cans of worms it would have opened. As it is, they can just paint him as a psycho, seal this up and even ignore the shoot up of the truck with the innocent women in it. A public trial would have kept the whole thing in the news front and center...now it will be buried along with Dorner and the LAPD can get back to business as usual.
I was wondering how Dorner's wallet and ID were found after the fire, when it was reportedly found in San Deigo days before. Any ideas?
culheath, you must watch too much TV and movies. Paul71 was exactly right. Dorner never claimed to have "super secret" information on anything that could bring certain police officials down. He wrote his manifesto, went on his short killing spree and went out in a blaze of glory like he said he would. There was no reason for the police to want to shut him up. He had nothing to tell.
culheath, When someone is resisting the police (by firing a weapon at them, killing one officer at the scene), it IS NOT the job of the police to apprehend him. Their job is to end the threat with no further injury to officers or bystanders. The best way to end that threat is to bring overwhelming force to bear upon him. If they had a Cobra armed with missiles, or a few 50-cal machine guns, that would have been perfectly appropriate.
He committed suicide and the fire (probably started by the tear gas) turned him into a crispy critter - job well done. They need to attach his estate and insurance for the cost of the search.
Ok Ive been reading all of these comments. Based on the opinions of some, no wonder this country is the way it is. Ok, maybe he shouldnt have handled the situation the way he did but obviously SOMETHING happened to bring it to the point where he felt threatened and retaliated. They say he was a cold blooded killer. On one hand there are 4 lives, 5 if you apparently count him now, which are gone and can never be replaced. If yopu have been "wronged" by a group are you ever gonna trust them again? Corruption in the LAPD? Oh Im sure there is just like every other aspect of anything in this country. I think he was the opposition to this corruption he saw and when he tried to speak up, he came out on the short end of the deal because who are you going to believe, the word of 1 or the word of several opposing it.
Anyway, back to the cold blooded killer part. I think that there is a reason for each of the four. There better be a very intense investigation into this whole thing because I dont think he was the monster they made him out to be otherwise why is the man and his dog or the mother and daughter still alive. Why didnt he carjack the truck and just shoot the man. The dog, why shoot the dog unless it was one of protective nature. The mother and daughter who basically unofficially brought it to an end, why did he not shoot them? INSTEAD, the man and his dog were told he didnt want to hurt them and he let them go. AND, the mother and daughter, he tied them up while he took off in their car. And Im sure that you need to know how to tie knots in the Navy so how was it that they got free just long enough afterwards for him to try and get away? Sounds like a cold blooded killer to me.
Of the ones who did die, well here is my theory. The couple might have been mistaken identity, wrong place at the wrong time. I dont know. The officers unfortunately because they were on the opposite side of the shootout. No, Im not in any way justifying or agreeing with what he did. My prayers go out to them and their families.
But the biggest thing is the way it ended. The officers knew exactly what they were doing. They intentionally set the cabin on fire. They wanted to silence him. There are those of you who have basically cheered what the police did. Last time I knew, there was a little phrase that goes "innocent until proven guilty". It was the job of those officers to apprehend him. They had him basically pinned down. He had no escape. It was over. But these officers have to take it a step further. They bring in an armoured vehicle and smash through the side of the house and then there is a single gun shot heard? Sounds to me like someone didnt exactly know what their job description was.
This whole thing is a tragedy from the beginning to the end. Hopefully with a very intense investigation into this WHOLE thing starting with re-investigating the accusations of corruption by the LAPD by an independent organization at the state or federal level will reveal what this guy wanted to make known from the very start.
Its easy for us to sit here and say where he was right, wrong
One more thing. I feel that, like many others, the LAPD now owes the women the reward which was being offered and I think that if they try and renig on the reward then there should be some sort of legal action which the 2 women should be able to take.
OR... is this one gonna be the next big one we hear about in a couple of weeks about how there is a large scale man hunt for a couple of women accused of doing who-knows-what.
they will be mysteriously found dead somewhere.
Shot innocent people...I guess to prove a point. My prayers do go out to their family's The wallet thing..must have had two....LAPD shooting at and wounding innocent people....whats new, happens everywhere, idiot's.Did he have something to say that could have made sence of all of this mess...we will never know!?!The one thing I feel deep within me....they intentionally set fire to the cabin and made sure he could not escape for a reason. The why's and what's have been on my mind from the begining. To bad dead men can't talk. As far as an investigation......never happen. Just my observation...
I'm sorry he killed the young couple. I'm also sorry he only killed 2 police. The police are nothing but criminals with a badge.When I were a young man( early 60s) People in my neighborhood thought of the police as criminals and murderers.
Many comments here are baffling. There was no question that he had to be stopped whether you believe he had been wronged or not. He was going to continue to kill selected people based on the wrong he felt. He had to be stopped. Why wait him out and give him the opportunity to kill other officers? So, they threw in tear gas to try to disable him and get him to give up and stop him from shooting other officers. It can catch fire, that's a fact. When authorities didn't use tear gas in the Alabama child abduction into the bunker case people complained about that and how long they waited to do something. You just can't please people who think they know better than law enforcement. People who think that all law enforcement is evil and are suspicious of everything they do. Many people blame LAPD for what happened at the cabin which wasn't under the watch of LAPD. LAPD should be blamed for a lot of things but they were not the lead at the cabin.
Dont get me wrong i am glad the cops got Dorner,but what about the ladies the trigger happy cops shot just because they were driving a certain kind of truck. If a civilian did that they would be behind bars. These guys are at home on leave collecting paychecks. I say throw them in jail, give them a bail charge them, but no they will be cleared at worst lose there jobs. I hope the family sues LAPD to the fullest and these cops go to prison just like the rest of us would.
It wasn't even the same kind of truck, or the right color (their excuse was that it was "dusk"). Research that article and see what utter bs the innocent newspaper lady incident was.
Says S. Cali kept in fear for a week.
THe guy wasn't targetting anyone not affiliated with the people he sought to hurt, or those people themselves. He wrote who and why he was killing in his manifesto. He killed that first couple sadly becasue the woman was the daughter of a target of his.
I suppose people could fear being caught in a shoot out with police.
Gang violence is somewhat like this...people often get caught in the crossfire but if you aren't in a gang nor associated with anyone who is or looks like they were, you aren't targetting. Difference is that gang members don't care about protecting bystanders from harm. I think this guy from his actions didn't care to kill bystanders...or even hurt them.
What he did was bad enough but I am not sure why S. Cal was in such a panic. Maybe the unknown-he's crazy could just walk into a mall and shoot people up they thought? His manifesto is quite clear, you could see who he was. He prided himself in his (warped) sense of integrity and justice. He was deluded but didnt' seem like someone who'd want unrelated bystanders to die
I guess killers too have their standards. Maybe that' s too hard to trust.
So is this guy considered a serial killer?
I have family in Southern California and none of them were in fear.Now LAPD is back peddling on the reward money saying that he had to be captured,convicted and found guilty for the million dollar reward.LAPD and their mayor are corrupt but Dorner should have not been murdering Ms.Quan and her fiance nor the two police officers,whom he never met or worked with.The sheriff not allowing the fire department to put out that fire and the cops in LA County riddling innocent people's vehicles with bullets,you can see the mindset of our police force.It's no wonder that Dorner didn't extract his own type of justice sooner.I suspect that Dorner was bi-polar due to his rambling manifesto and the way this all went down.
Laurali, what are you thinking? He did not kill people that were not on his list, as a matter of fact they lived. Yes, he took things to an extreme and it should not be forgotten. On the other hand what pushed him to that state of mind? It seemed to me the LAPD should look at what is going on in there own department.
Laurali, I don't think so serial killers kill because in most cases they enjoy it. this guy was just paying back. Somehow i think most of them may have deserved it. Corruption runs pretty deep and i think there are quite a few sweating it out in the LAPD. Hope they investigate and find something.
Which one of the people he killed deserved it??????
Too funny reading all the little candy assss wimps ramblings on how this guy was railroaded, Im sure all you hotshots would be willing to put your life on the line to protect others.
I'm in SoCal, about 60 miles from Big Bear, and I wasn't "living in fear". I did see all the police running around like scared little school girls, shooting up anything with no warning. They weren't trying to arrest him, they were trying to kill him. Some innocent people just got in the way. Yeah, good police work.
"It seemed to me the LAPD should look at what is going on in there own department."
Isn't that like having the fox guard the hen house?
"stopfreeloaders
Too funny reading all the little candy assss wimps ramblings on how this guy was railroaded, Im sure all you hotshots would be willing to put your life on the line to protect others."
OHHHHHHHHHH don't you sound like an Internet Tough guy?! Hey tough guy no one forced them to take the job, they signed up for it and the last time I checked their job description wasn't Judge, Jury or Executioner. However its widely known to be a dangerous job so if they don't want to be in that position they should quit or better yet don't sign up in the first place.
As for your statement "you hotshots would be willing to put your life on the line to protect others" I most certainly would and have but that doesn't give me the right to commit revenge killings. Does it?
Now go jump in a lake tough guy.
Darla - "Which one of the people he killed deserved it??????"
Which one of the people the police attempted to murder hoping it was Dorner deserved it??????
Lucky for the public the cops are terrible marksmen.
You smell like a pig if so put your firearm in your mouth and do us all a favor and eat a bullet. You get no love from here tough guy.
This is what is being reported as being intercepted.
During it, voices can be heard saying: “All right, Steve, we’re gonna go,
we’re gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn. We want it like we talked
about.” Moments later, the same voice says: “Seven burners deployed and we have a
fire.” “Guys, be ready on the No 4 side. We have fire in the front. He might come
out the back.” The LA-based journalist Max Blumenthal used an iPhone app to listen in on the
San Bernadino Sherriff police scanner.
This is alarming to me to know that law enforcement thinks it's ok to burn their suspects out of a building.It's not acceptable to me and I don't care who they are hunting down.They should have waited him out.
well; the mayor of Philly burned out the Panthers and they burned out the cult in Waco so where have you been... not only that watch the cowboys put the blanket over the chimney forever in the westerns and it makes me wonder what the hec are you thinking.....common Lady thats what they do
What for? They saved the taxpayers a ton of money by letting justice run its course. Lawyers won't be happy though, no fees, no publicity, no book deals.
Somebody's going to get a new cabin.
Add this to the end of youtube dot com
/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc
"Burn that FINKUCNG house down!" 'GET GOING RIGHT NOW, FINKUCNG BURN THIS MOTHERFKUECR" That sounds like insane ramblings of a killer...
@"CarlyJoni
What for? They saved the taxpayers a ton of money by letting justice run its course."
And just how did justice run its course?
Oh WAIT! You're talking Saddam type justice, right?
bennyover: The Philly MOVE disaster where police burned down at least two blocks of row houses happened in 1985 and Mayor Wilson Goode never lived it down. This is a completely different situation and I support the police in 'smoking the guy out'...how many more cops did you want killed? When I heard the killer's truck was found burned out in Bear Lake CA, I knew he would hang around the area and that it would end in his suicide. And I'm not even in law enforcement.
So basically you DO NOT support the US Constitution Vigilant?
Yes, CCC, I heard that audio as well and when they first said burn, they could have said burner both times as that is what the "hot" tear gas is referred too. Other people heard that audio and just went off about the place being set on fire purposely. People are so paranoid. When media is told to back off others assume they are hiding something. How about for the reasons they gave? Safety, not broadcasting what they were doing for tactical reasons?
Why was the live feed cut? Did the FBI come drop gasoline on the house via helicopter? Did Dorner like cheesburgers?
The LAPD likes their Black Anus Beef well-done BBQ-style.
oops -- Black ANGUS Beef -- that's Black Angus Beef.
My Badd.
The LAPD had no plan to take him alive at all. Didn't want the can of worms.
It was the San Bernardino Sheriffs Dept. not the LAPD that did us all a favor.
JaimeB,
How did they do us a favor? All they did was protect their own asses on several levels.
SBPD explains a lot.
LAPD commenting on shooting up the Tacoma- "A vehicle was seen matching the description of the suspects" - Tacomas look nothing like a Nissan Titan.
SBPD commenting on burning down the cabin - "It was not intentional" - Except for talking on the radio for two hours about burning it down and telling the media to stop filming.
The willingness of the media and the public to accept bald-face lies from people who are supposed to be respectable is very alarming. Has America really become so apathetic that summary executions by hit squads are allowed as long as the trigger-men wear badges?
LAPD clearly has issues and the shooting of the truck with the two women in it was ridiculous. You are sounding a paranoid about SBPD in my opinion.
Yup, Huffington Post reporting same thing and also that there is video where police are heard saying "We're gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn ... Like we talked about."
I hope the girl.. The house keeper gets the award money..They found hem and called 911..Lets see wht happens on this...keep your word people ..
Add this to the end of youtube dot com
/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc
"Burn that FINKUCNG house down!" 'GET GOING RIGHT NOW, FINKUCNG BURN THIS MOTHERFKUECR" That sounds like insane ramblings of a killer...
So, who gets the million dollar reward.... errr.... $15.95 after CA and Fed taxes?
No one gets the million. The reward was offered for "information leading to the arrest AND conviction ..." Dorner was neither arrested nor convicted by jury trial in a court of law.
They never had any intention in letting him live until a trial. That's why the put out the large reward so some fool would try to collect on it.
The police pension fund will get the reward... or maybe a few new assault vehicles to parade for the citizenry.
Well, did anyone ever manage to connect this lunatic to Rush, Hannity, Beck, or Palin?
Is it true he was a card carrying member of the TEA Party???
blame the white man/black man/republicans/liberals/black panthers/NRA/etc. don't you see how old that crap is getting? no single source is ever the solution to a problem.
p.s. does the tea party really require ID or a card? im genuinely curious
No, but since you want to drag politics into this he was related to Obama for that he was African American!
OTD,
I doubt if Dorner had a conservative bone in his body. However, your party will have Dorner voting a straight Dem ticket for the next 10 years.
He was a card-carrying liberal Demoncrap according to his manifesto! Coincidentally like all the latest mass murderers....interesting yet not surprising!
http://twitchy.com/2013/02/07/msm-covers-up-christopher-dorners-hard-left-political-views/
chris-2252558
No, but since you want to drag politics into this he was related to Obama for that he was African American!
By your ridiculous statement, Obama is related to you because he is half white.
unoitall
He was a card-carrying liberal Demoncrap according to his manifesto! Coincidentally like all the latest mass murderers....interesting yet not surprising!
What is surprising is that he was black; most mass murderers are white and middle-class, and from p Their perceptions of having been wronged is linked to the perception that as a white man, your sense of entitlement is greater, and when you suffer a loss such as being fired, your sense of your rights being taken away is ten-fold.
When angry middle-class whites gather together in political groups to “take back our country,” what they want to grab back are the privileges they sense they’ve lost.
@jerseyshoremarie
All I can say is you're a total moron, seriously, a total moron and that's being nice.
BP..Most mass murderers and serial killers in US history have been lower middle class to middle class white males. Thats the facts. As for Jersey shore's reasoning...
Condolences to Charlie Sheen.
Still, I wonder, was he fired for cause? LAPD might not like some facts to be aired?
No he was fired on for effect...
and effect they got! Big fire and all.
I'm still wondering why rather than give him the re-integration training he asked for, the LAPD decided it was better to give someone returning from a war-zone a gun and send him into neighborhoods.... and then give him low marks for not adjusting.
Training? You don't need training... but we're giving you low marks ... but you don't need training... here's you're gun, get out there.
The article stated that the people living in California was living in fear... That's a bunch of B.S. Everyone, including myself living in Cali was not living in fear for that he was not targeting us, he was targeting a corrupt police department and anyone related to them!
He still car jacked people and tied people up. You're ok with someone doing that to you? Who is going around shooting at people? You're ok with that? You speak for all of Cali? Cool story bro, tell us more.
spirit of truths - if he let me take my dog with me before taking the car, it's whatever baby. i got insurance for that. that being said, i could see where the fear came from for other people and i think it did really freak a lot of CA residents out.
In s.ca. we have crazies running around all the time. But there was something about him that didn't evoke fear. Maybe his picture on the news.
Anyone who read the complete manifesto knew he wasn't about to kill people randomly. They will try to paint him as a mental case and psycho, but he wasn't...in fact, he was a lot more rational than some of the cops I've encountered over my lifetime.
"He still car jacked people and tied people up. You're ok with someone doing that to you? Who is going around shooting at people? You're ok with that? "
Who are you talking about Dorner or the cops?
The police were so desperate to kill this guy they opened fire or a blue truck that had a 70 year old women and her daughter in it, both were wounded, neither looked like Dorner. Then they rammed another truck and fired three rounds through the windshield, luckily not killing the innocent occupants. The truck wasn't even the same color or make as the one they were looking for and again they didn't even try to ID before opening fire. Can you say trigger happy?
Now I know we have pretty much accepted over the years that Cops try extra hard to catch people that kill Cops. I understand that, however their is a line you don't cross, a line that if crossed makes them no better than the killers they seek. Cops need to be better than the criminals and revenge killing, in my opinion is crossing that line that makes them nothing more than murders themselves.
To hear that tape of those cops saying to burn him out is chilling. They weren't interested in appending him they were playing judge jury and executioner. They wanted him dead and their prior actions with the two other trucks prove that. They crossed the line in my opinion.
Make no mistake Dorner was wrong if he did all they say but his actions show he wasn't a psycho killer the Cops and media are making him out to be. But if we are to believe everything we've been told and he is indeed guilty then:
Dorner played judge jury and executioner
The Cops played Judge jury and executioner
Can you please tell me the difference between these two? I don't see any.
spirit of truths -
"He still car jacked people and tied people up. You're ok with someone doing that to you?" - Beats being injured or killed doesn't it?
"Who is going around shooting at people?" - LAPD
P.S.
Who is burning down homes with people in them? - SBPD
So it ends up with the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department, the most corrupt law enforcement agency in the United States of America. Did they execute the man, I wasnt there but if they had a part in it it was corrupted. This is not gonna score points for them.....karma doesnt forget......my prayers go out for the families who have lost someone during this tragic event, my prayers go out to the victims of deadly force used by San Bernardino Sheriff Dept and any other agency who is corrupted, conniving, lying, concealing the truth and getting away with it....they think...there is a God up above and He knows the truth. Karma doesnt forget.....the truth be told.
Police brutality is the wanton use of excessive force, usually physical, but potentially in the form of verbal attacks and psychological intimidation, by a police officer.
Does the Mom and daughter get the 1,000,000 dollars?
They should
They won't!
The Mom and daughter were the ones fired upon by the LAPD because there vehicle matched Dorners. Oh, I think they will get paid bigtime. The LAPD just opened fire on them.
The couple that was tied up in their cabin made the call that put police onto Dorner. They should get the reward.
Lapd just had a press conference. They wouldn't say much & the cops still look scared. Body still not officially id'd.
They are scared because Dorner made his point, with the help of the police no less. They are worried about which one of them will go public next.
He was a lib. Only libs would go around killing people because they got their feelings hurt and end up "fired". I think the government wouldn't give him any welfare, so he decided to end his life in a "blaze" of glory, but crashed and "burned". HEUHEUHEUHEU
That is just ridiculous. First Libs are tagged as peace loving tree huggers, then, when it's convenient to bolster your binary thinking, Libs are all about violence.
See the contradiction.?
No probably not. You're too blinded by your own stupidity.
Grind that ax.
I thought libs don't have guns. /sarcasm
Good thing that isn't true, or is it. Should you worry?
that may be true, but I doubt too many liberals would go killing people with guns ... aren't they the ones that are trying to take away guns??
He was a card-carrying liberal Demoncrap according to his manifesto! Coincidentally like all the latest mass murderers....interesting yet not surprising!
http://twitchy.com/2013/02/07/msm-covers-up-christopher-dorners-hard-left-political-views/
Only certain liberals are trying to take guns away. There are so many different interest groups that democrats have to pander to liberals are the most likely candidates to murder in a spectacular fashion. It is fact and easy to look up.
Spirit of douche you are a moron.
There's almost always three sides to a story.
"One persons side, the other persons side and somewhere in the middle is the truth".
Bingo
When one of the "persons" is a large entity with an overt desire to silence an individual at any cost, you can bet their side is miles further from the truth than the person being silenced.
P.S.
Why has there never been a mention of what the person who Dorners supervisor supposedly assaulted had to say about the incident?
They said that "hotel employees" said she didn't... what about the guy himself?
Ahh the anti-Police idiots are out in force today.
While there are occasional bad apples, the police put their life on the line to protect all of us. They deserve respect, not random conspiracy theories.
I would guess most of you anti-police people are really just criminals worried about getting caught.
BrentAZ,I'm not anti police but they riddled two innocent people's vehicles with bullets and burned a house down with a person inside without the benefit of a trial.This went down wrong on so many levels.If a person had a manifesto to kill non police personnel none of this vigilante justice would have happened.Dorner was in the wrong murdering people and the police were wrong in the way that they handled this.The police were afraid of this guy due to what suspect that he had for weapons and his extensive weapons training.Our armed service people face this danger everyday but they are fighting a war.The police handled this like it was urban warfare and that is unacceptable.
I'm not anti-police either, just anti-armed bully, which too many police have proved they are. Far too may police demonstrate behavior that earns them no respect from me personally and from the public in general.
Brent, respect has to be earned, not freely given just because of a badge.
just a cleaning lady, unfortunately you don't have any idea what your talking about. You obviously are another one that would have been much happier to see the officers walk up to the house and ask him to surrender. Then after there were a few more dead officers laying around what should they then do? He just shot and killed a deputy sheriff. He didn't have anymore training then the officers that were there.
Your comment about the manifesto and non police is utter nonsense. The situation wouldn't have been handled any differently.
@culheath
Exactly! You got it 100% correct this time!
There are a lot of great police that treat people just fine unless you start badmouthing them for writing you a ticket. I've found when I know I'm wrong to just take the ticket and be respectable about it. OTOH I've run into some real arseholes too who will not even explain why they stopped you and go on a big power trip. One thing I've learned is you are never going to win an argument with those guys and as one cop told me, if you want to argue that's what the courts are for.
@brentaz, yes of course,just like the police officer who didn't protect the five innocent people around him because in his own words "Well I didn't shoot him because he wasn't pointing his gun at ME"
I was one of the many people who were accused of a crime I didn't commit by a pair of police officers who blatently lied UNDER OATH. I was blissfully ignorant that such a thing could happen. Fortunately the jury found in my favor and the case was dismissed "under extreme prejudice". The odds of me ever trusting a police officer again are really close to zero. The lying co@@su#@#rs!
@ Brentaz, from this action, I'm not surprised people will be anti-police. Everyone should have a fair trial no matter what criminal activity a person commits. We live in USA and not in a communist country where no fair trial is given. Being anti-police does not mean a person is a criminal. Only a cop would describe a person who simply do not like polices, a criminal. I'm guessing you know someone who is a cop or is a cop.
All too frequently, that guy who bullied you all through HS, later becomes a cop! Personally I saw examples of this..
Soupy; Right you are, I tell my grandsons never argue with your wife or a cop, you will not win and doing so will only bite you in the butt later!!
This killer got what he wanted...death. Dorner clearly had mental issues that fully manifested after his firing - he should have sought help instead of killing innocent people.
1Citizen,The problem with people who have mental issues is that they don't recognize that they have a problem.He must have displayed these mental health issues before now and either nobody tried to get him help or he refused help.You'd think that the Navy or LAPD would have noticed something was amiss with him.
He didn't have mental issues any more than most people pushed to the limit have. Read his manifesto, it is quite lucid and states that he is aware of the wrongness of the killings but that he considered them a necessary evil. How rational would you say the cops who set the building on fire and murdered him are?
culheath, You are a pathetic individual to even consider taking Dorner's side in this. Losing your job pushes you to the limit? Losing your job causes you to go on a killing spree? If you call his manifesto lucid I have some real concerns about your stability.
And finally to say the police murdered him cinches the fact you have some issues of your own. I assume from your comments that you wouldn't have been happy unless the officers went and knocked on the door and asked him, please surrender. A feww more dead cops laying around would have obviously made you very happy.
You are a pathetic person.
Paul71-1655761,
And you sound like a cop.
I'm not defending him. he murder4ed people that was wrong on any count. But neither am going to defend the actions of the LAPD during to his dismissal or during their pursuit when some of them irrationally shot up a truck and injured innocent civilians and then intentionally set the cabin ablaze. Anyone who claims that the police did anything other than murder him is a fool.
Your right, 26 years, retired.
And you obviously have never walked a foot in a officers shoes, let alone a mile.
@Paul71-1655761
If you can't see any middle ground between culheath's position and yours, I'm glad you're retired. Here in Southern California I see arrogant young cops on a regular basis. They have no regard for the average citizen, and treat everybody they come into contact with like criminals. Their lack of manners and decorum is apalling. Sadly, I think this attitude is exactly what their bosses want!
1citizen - "he should have sought help instead of killing innocent people."
You mean like requesting reintegration training when returning to the LAPD from a war-zone? He did that and the LAPD refused... which set the entire chain of events in motion.
P.S.
He fought it in the courts for 5 years... what exactly do you call "seeking help"? He sought help but all he ever got was the thick blue wall of the "brothers in blue".
@ 1Citizen-1347546, someone with depression usually will not talk about their problems. I'm guessing that is what he has because of his traumatic brain injury (concussions) and the fact that LAPD took away his passion, LAPD job and eventually his NAVY duties.
A lot of people look at depression as a minor issue but it'll eventually erupt into something really bad if untreated. Nobody wants that disorder but a lot of people have it nowadays. And when that individual does bring it up to friends or family, they'll usually get a negative respond such as "get over it", "you're okay", "you're being sensitive" and etc.
Go ask anyone with depressive disorder if they've been treated. IF they have, how long did it take them to take that step. You'd be surprised. But then, not a lot of people can spot a person with that disorder.
Sorry for all those innocents that died, but damn glad that sorry black SOB got his reward!! Saved all you CA taxpayers a ton of money! Kudos to the cops!!
Well I gotta hand it to you. You're pretty up front about where your coming from. None of this subtle racism for you.
Right on out with it.
So obviously, you don't like black folk. Yes?
Yeah, he should have been more PC with his comments, yes?
@JohnTtown
Not so sure how much money the taxpayers saved after all the damage done by cops is paid for!
LJ ,it's obvious you got your itty bitty feelings hurt again. Maybe you should stick to reading Dick and Jane books where it's a big happy world and everybody says just the right thing all the time. The man was black and he was an sob which makes him a black sob!get it
John Town - I am sending you teh definition of "Political Correctness" so in the future you will not offend so many on the far left,
Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of S!%# by the clean end.
He was operating in panic mode. Hard to plan and think clearly when you've gone around the bend.
just because..someone calls someone a n-gger.where you work at..is not justified to kill somesone because of it
Sez you. Cops kill and severely beat up people all the time for what they say that the cops take exception to. He felt their corruption had destroyed his life and career and in many ways it had.
Hey elvis, go on down to South Central Saturday night and yell it out. I'll guarantee it'll get you killed!
Using someone else's account
You are right Elvis Pain...white trash that are! What are you...a White retard who thinks your skin color compensates for your lack of intelligence and integrity, lack of brain cells and bravery and lack of courage and conviction? There is a White trash...! This comes officially from your peers and your bosses. It is said to you everyday and in your ear shot. But do not get angry...laugh it off gringo retard with a neurological program to kill...a war monger, rapist, serial killer, slave holder and genocide perpetrator...Now, now, don't get upset. Laugh it off Elvis Payne white fat or thin retard with too much money, privilege and power. You are also fired! Now go f&*%$# yourself!
Don't go get a gun Elvis and start shooting and causing Payne (pain).
Sorry account holder for sending this message to White retard called Elivis Payne from your account.
I don't understand the support for this guy....he brutally murdered a young woman and her fiancee after the super bowl for revenge.....end of story for me. He may have had legitimate gripes, but once he morphed into a cold-blooded murderer, it doesn't matter what his gripes are. And you don't go around KILLING COPS expecting to live after that...
You really need to listen to what you just said and think that through. You basically just said that the cops have the right to summarily execute someone who shoots one of their own and that's just the way it is.
no, of course cops don't have that right, in a perfect world ... but most of us live in the real world ... do you really think cops are gonna let a cop killer live ...
That perfect world is also where everyone turns the other cheek to injustice done them and somehow that suffices. The unjust become aware and check themselves.
...should just about cover the perfect world vs. real world talk.
He got the attention of her Dad when he killed her and her fiance'. That's what he wanted. For her Dad to relive that because of what he did to Dormer his Daughter was dead.
America was founded on fighting the corrupt government. It seems dorner tried to go through the court system and it failed him so like any true american he fought back the only way he could. He tried to do the right thing but 2 years later his case fell on deaf ears because of pending lawsuits it was cheaper to brush it under the rug. Guess what? 4 innocent lives later it would have us to paying out all the wrongfull death s they caused and are going to investigate and fight out that training supervisor did kick a suspect but with her time in service and friends on the force, she got them to cover it up. Cops hate rats within their ranks cause they are all corrupt.
Herrin Schadenfreude
You've made some very intellegent posts here tonight! Keep it up!
So you think killing someone's family because you have been fired is justified. It's ok to kill someont if you are just sending a message? I try to keep things civil on boards like this but you disgust me.
yeah what he did to him. What was it that he did? Oh right he was Dorner's defense attorney. No he was not crazy...not at all.
culheath.....I never said nor meant it was right...but it certainly is the way it is. You just don't kill cops and get away with it.
Jeanette-767450
What do you mean that he got the father's attention by killing his daughter because of what he did to Dormer? The father was the cop that defended him at the hearing where he was dismissed before completing his probationary period. So; the father is to blame because the rest of those at the hearing didn't buy his story?
Wow; if I was a lawyer I would make damned sure that I never represented you in a court hearing/trial. Then again; you may say that if you lost the case, it was my fault for not representing you.
So a serial killer burned to death. Boo Hoo. He had multiple chances to turn himself in, and passed. He chose it, he earned it, and he got it. Are some of you saying he should have been left alone? Shoot the gun out of his hand? Talk him down in a 19 week standoff? Enough of your dithering...are you on the criminal's side, or the rest of us? Because the police represent the rest of us. If you are a criminal...hope you're next. If not...recognize the life threatening job the police have and don't be phony self righteous when they do what is necessary. If the killer was at your door, you'd want the same thing.
Do the police have the "right" to gun down someone who has killed policemen? Sure they do. This guy was heavily armed, proven murderer, and a danger to the community. THey have the DUTY to gun him down if he won't surrender. It is right. You do not point a gun at a cop if you expect to live.
Julia, lot of people are trying to separate Dorner's actions (complaints and later violence) from LAPD's actions. Do you get it?
Two people, or one person and one institutions, can be wrong Julia. You get?
Lot of people do not condone Dorner's action. They wanted him caught, and like any murderer, suspected of murder, wanted him to be brought to justice through proper legal procedures. Do you get it? See the difference?
If we don't approve of Dorner's vengeance killing of police personnel, then the police also should not be on some kind of vengeance killing because they don't like a criminal or a fugitive. They cannot get vengeful in their actions, or torture a suspect or a criminal, because he killed one of their own. You get what intelligent people are saying?
Police should not behave like a insular provincial clan or a tribe...violating proper police procedures when they go after someone who kills somebody in their so-called tribe. They are here to protect people and serve the public...and conduct themselves professionally and ethically.
You don't burn people because they have done something wrong to someone in your department, just as you don't piss on your captives in Abu Grahib or in Afghanistan. You get? You capture and then try them under the court of law. That is the difference between civilized nations and those that you might claim is not. If you think Taliban behaviors are unacceptable...then don't behave like one. You get what intelligent people are saying?
What is the difference between you, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, the Taliban...if you shoot, kill, harass and assault innocent people, or torture prisoners and fugitives...and do so selectively?
If we start allowing murdering fugitives to be burnt, without proper investigation into police actions and possible alternatives, next time it will be an innocent person burnt. Such an innocent person might be later claimed as "collateral damage" by the police.
I don't where in the world or where in America you come from, maybe Florida, in a society that respects law and order police have laws and order that they must follow too. You get Julia?
That burnt person could be you, your sister, your best friend or your hubby next time. We don't burn places and people to catch a convict, to kill a convict (without due process) or to torture a convict because he killed a cop. That is not how we do it in a civilized democracy. Got it Julia?
Investigating or/and judging Dorner is a separate issue. Evaluating police competency, ethics, integrity, efficiency and actions are another.
Got it Julia?
I am just totally baffled. How can anyone find fault with the police for shooting back at someone who is shooting at them, and has actually already hit two of them, one fatally? Were they supposed to just soak up bullets until Dorner had run out of them? I wonder if the pro-Dorner comments are being written by people who identify with him because they find themselves on the wrong side of the law, and want to blame the law rather than themselves. Some introspection may be in order, I think.
@useyourbrain; you are a self righteous blowhard.That is just my opinion.
Each of you needs to read the entire manifesto so that you know what he supposedly set out to do. Then you should be reminded that what he set out to do was crazy and evil. You should also be reminded that by law you are in deeper trouble if you kill a police officer than a citizen. You may not like that but it is a fact by law.
UseYourBrain-6944873-You don't seem to have a clue as you go off on Julia. The only thing I agree with is that what Dorner has done wrong, murder, and what the LAPD has done wrong are two separate things. What you ranted about was just bizarre. We do handle situations in that way in the US under these circumstances so don't tell people we don't. If you are killing people and you refuse to surrender or even back down, law enforcement just may kill you to stop you. They are not going to spend a lot of time trying to talk you down while you take shots at them, especially after you have posted a long rant of your intentions. I'm not sure where you live but that's how it is where I live in the US. If you believe his manifesto, he stated that he was willing to die, so there was no talking him down or waiting him out. Be serious!
What you say is true, but by intentionally settng fire to the house and killing him, you also made it possible to coverup any wrong doing by the LAPD, which are known for corruption and have done this before. Example, what about the two police officers that opened fire on a vehicle only to find out Dorner was not in the car. I am not saying that he was not guilty and should not have been arrested, but I find it strange that he went after cops or associates of cops only, but tried not to hurt others. At no time did the cops make any effort to capture Dorner, as they were dead set on killing him so he could not talk. That makes me nervous. I also find it strange that a man being hunted by law enforcement, who was trained by the military and by the police, did not have access to a tear gas mask. This story is very unfortunate, but also has more holes in it than a sieve.
Yeah, in the movies he'd be the good guy framed by the bad cops of the (infamously corrupt) LAPD because he was going to expose their crimes. I wonder if that's what really happened...I mean they burned every shred of evidence and killed the guy. He may have been operating in self defense the entire time. The only thing that makes me think he might really be bad is he was a cop too, and there really aren't many good cops.