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Subscribe to RSSSan Bernardino County (Calif.) Sheriff's Department officials describe the series of events that led up to their armed confrontation with Christopher Dorner.
Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD police officer who carried out a vengeful rampage against his fellow ex-cops and others, died of a single, self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head at the end of an intense firefight with police in rural Big Bear, Calif., authorities said Friday.
At a late-afternoon news conference, San Bernardino County authorities said that the cause of death was determined by an autopsy conducted Thursday by the county Coroner’s Office.
Authorities had been unsure whether Dorner killed himself, had been struck by a deputy's bullet or had died in a fire that engulfed the cabin during the shootout. The coroner's finding still must be finalized.
In their most detailed account to date of the final days and hours of the hunt for Dorner, 33, San Bernardino County sheriff’s officials said they tried to force the suspect to surrender before accidentally setting the cabin where he was holed up on fire when they shot a pyrotechnic chemical device inside.
Sheriff John McMahon also detailed the extent of the arsenal that Dorner had with him in his final days, which he spent eluding searchers in the mountainous area east of Los Angeles. Among the items recovered from the cabin where Dorner died and other locations and vehicles were numerous assault weapons; semiautomatic handguns; a .308-caliber, bolt-action sniper rifle; high-capacity ammunition magazines; a total of 10 suppressors or silencers; tear gas and smoke canisters; a military-style load-bearing vest; and a military-style Kevlar helmet, he said.
The sheriff also confirmed that Dorner spent most of his time on the run hiding in a condominium just steps away from the command center set up to find him. He said deputies had visited the unit, which was locked, on the evening of Feb. 7, but received no answer when they knocked on the door and then moved on.
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Christopher Dorner
“It was locked and nobody answered,” he said. “… We were not going to kick the doors in.”
Sheriff’s Capt. Gregg Herbert also elaborated on the tactics used during the confrontation with Dorner at the cabin in the Seven Oaks area, saying that when deputies responded to the scene they noticed tracks in the snow in front of the cabin where Dorner had taken refuge. As Deputy Alex Collins, Detective Jeremiah Mackay and other officers were conversing in the street in an attempt to devise a plan to check on the cabin, Dorner opened fire on them, striking both deputies multiple times, Hebert said. The other deputies returned fire, and dodged an onslaught of bullets to get to the injured officers and drag them out of the line of fire, he said.
MacKay died later at an area hospital; Collins remains hospitalized after undergoing multiple surgeries. Dorner died hours later inside the cabin, after he and law enforcement officers exchanged hundreds of rounds.
Police had been seeking Dorner since last week, when they say he launched a deadly revenge campaign against the Los Angeles Police Department over his 2009 firing.
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Police chief named in manifesto recalls 'the Chris Dorner that I knew'
Before launching his onslaught, he posted a rambling 1,400-word manifesto on Facebook in which he allegedly wrote that killing was “a necessary evil” to avenge his firing and also threatened other law enforcement officers and their families.
Before killing the deputy in the San Bernardino mountains, Dorner is suspected of slaying a couple in Irvine and a police officer in Riverside.
“Self Preservation is no longer important to me,” he wrote in the manifesto, a copy of which was made available to the media by authorities. “I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09.”
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A coward to the end.
Yea, that's why he was in the navy, a police officer, hunted police officers, and engaged them and won several firefights.
Does ignoring reality to preserve your happy little view of the world make you feel better?
The reality is that he murdered innocent(and unarmed people.
coward....with a little "c".
Well when you try to rat out the corrupted law enforcement officers, and they start their attacks against you? what else is their to do. You all claim he killed innocent people, how do we know? Because the same cops he revealed to be criminals said so? Not defending him, just playing devil's advocate. Plus, with his training, I highly doubt hes dead. I do believe they did that to end it before the SOTU, and to end the humiliation of the fact that they couldnt stop one man... We shall see. Plus, when the cops were caught on record (which msnbc and fox news or any mainstream news would never air), they were caught saying just burn the house down. You amy not agree with him, but a few things were made obvious:
They cared not for Due Process
They cared not for Constitutional right to be tried by jury of his peers, WITH ALL factual evidence presented.
Was the first American on US Soil to be authorized to be killed by drone strike if spotted (we see how well those go overseas, 1200 children dead and counting).
Regardless if he was a criminal, our judicial system has shown they do not care for the law, they swore to uphold. We do not know EVERYTHING that transpired here, we do not know if this is the real story, what I do know is, we a re told one thing and are expected to believe it. Not calling him a hero, or a criminal, again, Devil's Advocate. He should have been brought to a court with a jury of his PEERS, in a public forum, so he could reveal his side, and WHY he did what he did..
To add more evidence to this, what about the cops who fired on innocent people due to mistaken identity, where is the investigation and criminal charges into that? the 41 and 71 year old hispanic women cretainly did not meet this description, and if his truck had burned, why were they still looking for it?
What you mean is a miserably failed police officer who lied about a female supervisor to try and cover his own mistakes like the tiny little man he was, who murdered a completely innocent couple that included a young black man who was the success this loser never could be and two good police officers and who didn't even have the brains to get to mexico where every creep and his brother (of every nationality) has successfully fled. Too bad he didn't take aim at you, I mean that, since you don't seem to appreciate that he would be the one person in this situation who would hurt you and not care, whether you defend him or not.
zhhovti - "The reality is that he murdered innocent(and unarmed people"
So have soldiers, police, homicidal maniacs, psychopaths, etc... people who completely lack fear. That makes him a murderer nothing more.
Feeling the need to label someone something solely to appease your own feelings is weakness.
honey, ive been shot at by 13 year olds, but i swore to protect and defend the CONSTITUTION against all enemies foreign and domestic. Just because you dont believe in it, doesnt mean I dont. I do, and will give my life to defend those rights, no amtter if the other person deserves them or not, why, because I SWORE TO. Glad you can defend him when the LAPD have proven they are capable of wrose crimes. If you do believe what MSNBC has told you, then go back to the barn, sheep. But open your mind to the possibility that we are not being told the full story... there are three sides to everything, Side A, Side B, then the truth. Usually, places like msnbc or fox news or cnn, have Side A or Side B. Never both or the truth. Hence why I mostly just troll these pages to get people to use some critical thinking.
Ssimmons117
REALLY? You are a bold faced liar! You STAND FOR NOTHING!!! Donser murdered the people who DEFENDED HIM, HE LOST!! He also had a lawyer, If he was so righteous then why didn't he sue? His actions PROVE HIS CHARACTER!!! and YOUR WORDS PROVE YOURS!!!!! It sounds like you have been caught by the police yourself, bitterness is NOT the result of righteousness!! Your statements are pure slander, it just shows your anti-government, anti police rhetoric. So what he was in the military, so were many terrorists that blew up airlines, so was the nutcase that opened fired in Camp Pendleton, this does not make them heroes! You sir are an idiot!
Bold faced liar? Have you not seen the track record of some of our law enforcement? Anti government? Maybe, because they seem to ruin everything they touch. They do not tell the truth, and will do anything for their own profits. Im not slandering anyone, I just have an open mind. My county sheriffs, Damn proud of them. Why? Because they arent giving in to the gun control crap congress is trying to pass (IE they are going to refuse any orders of confiscation). Ive never been caught by police, because I am law abiding. I follow the law. Part time I am even helping law enforcement track down criminals with my computer skills. You do not know me, so you sir I accuse of slander. Hypocrasy at its finest, i think? I am not bitter, I just learned long ago to be capable of critical thinking and do my own research, ask questions. Apparently, you sir, have not. I wish you luck in the future. Glad you can also defend the LAPD shooting 2 unarmed elderly women, because they obviously looked like Chris Dorner..
Dorner was NOT given a fair trial. Judge Yafee accepted over $500,000.00 in illegal payments. The cops lie and the judges are bribed.
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too bad he had to stroke out... he had some valid gripes... but to kill innocents?? you lose my vote! he could have made significant strides on the circuit.. and maybe even made things better in a ver corrupt outfit...
he doesnt get a rest in peace from me... maybe just a: sorry you couldnt cope, sad.
Let me ask you all this, since apparently im stupid and blind to the 'real truth', and our government and law enforcement is always right... Do you really believe Marijuana is bad for you? (and no I ahve never smoked it, before anyone suggests such a thing.) Do you really believe that making it legal is going to cause the crime rate to soar/open people up to harder drugs/kill people?
Dorner may not have been treated fairly in his firing by the LAPD. But that did not give him license to kill innocent people, except under the most perverse interpretation of the Second Amendment which, unfortunately, some gun nuts have been advocating.
I have no sympathy for this murderer; but, law enforcement should be honest. They "accidentally" set the place afire with a pyrotechnic device.!? Really? I have no problem with their doing it on purpose if they believed this was the safest way to avoid others being injured or killed, but the "accidentally" defies common sense!
wants to know - And if they will blatantly lie about what was obviously recorded on audio and video... on top of their prior shooting of the old women no less... what won't they lie about?
If he would have taken his revenge on the people who screwed him, then, I would be ok. To kill innocent people is wrong. Only the Mafia, and government officials can do that.
To all Dorner fans
If he killed ONE person he named in his manifesto, I could consider him dedicated. He did not. He took the "opportunistic" approach, which labels him a coward. He did not have the dedication to his own words, and decided to take the easiest course of action, innocent, unsuspecting victims. If you cannot stand behind your own words, they mean nothing.
Can't believe some of these comments. The next time you think you have been wrongfully treated, to out and kill some people, gather an arsenal; issue a manifesto; it is apparently your constitution and God-given right to do so. You may even want to add raping and pillaging.
My boss disciplined me today, I'm going to kill everyone. At least I know the good posters at newsvine will stand up for me...
well at least we know who we gonna have to take out if things don't ever go your way..you Dorner supporters will be the first to kill anyone who don't see things your way.
ever heard two wrongs don't make a right?..neither do 4..idiots.
Ssimmons, why do you say they denied him due process and Constitutional right to trial? He could have turned himself in. He knew that he was going to die because he set it up that way. He made sure he wasn't captured and did not turn himself in. It could have been done. He could have set it up through another agency, but he didn't even try because that is not what he wanted. And I used to also wonder if he really killed the couple or not. But considering everything that I have seen and all the evidence there seems to be, it looks like he did indeed kill the INNOCENT couple. Supposedly, he even taunted the father (ex-police chief Quan, the man who had defended him during the inquiry) about it. I know he thought Quan didn't fight for him but even Quan said that he felt Dorner got a bad deal and that it was a Kangaroo Court. So, maybe Quan really did try to help him. Still, Dorner killed his daughter and her fiance. That is really horrible. There is NO EXCUSE for killing innocent people.
It was tear gas--NOT pyrotechnics. Tear gas is notorious for starting fires if there is any open flame or sparks (short in the electricity or even a gun shot where the gas is will set it off). I do believe the fire was accidental. Dorner had shot himself anyway. Maybe that shot is what set off the fire with the tear gas.
I missed something in the Dorner case!
When was Dorner tried and convicted by the police?
I got that Dorner was a suspect, and the police shooting innocent bystanders in the manhunt of this accused killer, to Dorner being cornered and having the option of suicide or burn to death.
I missed the part where the right to a jury trial, the truth comes out!
It must be nice to live in a world where government never can be wrong.
Now turn over your guns to the cure all government like a good clone!
Just hope after doing such you are not accused of a crime or are a innocent bystander shot by the cure all police by mistaken identity.
Of course San Bernardino sheriffs department claims they had no other way of capturing Dorner other than to burn him out.It wasn't their home or Dorner's home so what did they care.and of course the coroner is going to say he died from a self inflicted gunshot wound.I think that the feds should have brought in a coroner and did a compete investigation from the start of the shoot out in Torrance.
cleraning lady, it is amazing that you think a house is worth more then a life.
"and of course the coroner is going to say he died from a self inflicted gunshot wound" That comment says it all. It wouldn't matter if god himself proclaimed it, you still would want someone else to check.
The feds had no authority in this matter.
@Janine, first he was never convicted of murder, only suspected. Then, understand, who can he turn himself into when he was trying to expose corruption in law enforcement? they woulda probably shot him and said he had a gun... Fact is, who would help him, when everyone trusts law enforcement's word over a regular citizen anyways... Law enforcement are men too, the uniform doesnt change the mindset... fact is had he tried to turn himself in, how trigger happy LAPD has shown themselves to be, he woulda been killed...
Ssimmonswhatever
He did write a manifesto stating he was going to kill members of law enforcement. And he tied up a couple and held them hostage in their own home. But you are probably right...
"A San Bernardino County sheriff’s officials said they tried to force the suspect to surrender before accidentally setting the cabin where he was holed up on fire when they shot a pyrotechnic chemical device inside". (Emphasis added) - Really?
Here is the police audio yelling burn it down:
http://www.policeone.com/standoff/articles/6119022-Audio-Police-yell-burn-it-down-raiding-Dorners-hideaway/
"Authorities had been unsure whether Dorner killed himself, had been struck by a deputy's bullet or had died in a fire that engulfed the cabin during the shootout. The coroner's finding still must be finalized".
We will never know the truth. There are two sides to every story, and the other side didn't survive to tell his. We see how it went for him the first time around. It is just sad, if indeed we are to believe the LAPD, that things went down the way it did.
RIP to all involved.
Ssimmons
Trigger happy LAPD??!!, Your ignorance shows no bounds!!! Donser shot 2 police officers again when they found him in a stolen vehicle Donser was NOT SHOT!! In your own words describe what are police, ANY POLICE do to when facing someone that snipes them at random, refuses communication but shoots to kill at every single opportunity, invite him for tea????!!! When facing a DEADLY criminal, you USE DEADLY FORCE AGAINST DEADLY FORCE!!! , ITS COMMON SENSE in ALL police forces!!!! DONSER HAD 4 WHOLE DAYS TO GIVE HIMSELF UP PEACEFULLY!!! Donser stated himself he was goping to diein this, now he committed suicide like the coward he was. The brave men are the dead ones that tried to stop a psychopathic killer!! Like I stated before your own true nature and character comes out, Donser has shown his character, he was weak, so what you got picked on in grade 1, GET OVER IT!!! So what you lost your job, GET OVER IT!!!! Millions of others do every day without revenge, and if your statements Ssimmons tells us anything about your character, its you are a whiny, I-didnt-get-my-way, everyone-else-owes-me because my feelings were hurt weak-ass personality just like Donser!
He got his just reward, a one-way ticket to (hopefully) hell! No one, BUT no one has the right to take the law into their hands and MURDER innocent people! This guy did just that! Even IF what he said is found to be true and his dismissal was unfair and unjust that did NOT give him the right to start playing GOD! I don't care how corrupt his superiors are (IF they are) nothing that was done to him equaled what HE did to people that didn't even have a thing to do with his problems! When he took their lives, by all that's right, HE forfeited his!
Coward that he was he couldn't face what he did or face the families of those he EXECUTED in court! The only thing good he did was save California millions of dollars in a long drawn-out courtroom drama.. Good riddance!
JANINE: The tear gas used was Pyrotechnic teargas. Simply put, the fired canisters produce enough heat to start fires. There were 7 "burners" as police call them fired into the building.
Tear "gas" is actually a solid powder (smoke)....it is not set off by sparks. It is the heat generated in the canister which causes the fire. Being a solid makes it more persistant than if it was an actual vapor. THE GAS SMOKE/POWDER DOES NOT ACTUALLY BURN OR EXPLODE.
As far as deliberate vs accidental fire....the idea of using hot teargas was to flush him out. I am no expert, but deploying 7 canisters in a wooden cabin would come with reasonable expectation that a fire will result.
If the gas didn't drive him out, the fire would...had to be in their minds. If he had come out in surrender mode, I BELIEVE they would have taken him into custody. I BELIEVE if he had flushed out and came out shooting....they would have turned him into swiss cheese.
As it was, Dorner ended his case on his own. Call it self-inflicted justice.
And for the morons debating whether he killed the girl and fiancee, or the sherrif in Riverside....I will give odds that ballistic testing of the weapons he had will probably produce a match.
We'll see.
Dorner declared war, and that's exactly what he got. Most people seem to have no problem with dropping bombs on suspected terrorists that haven't actively engaged in killing Americans, and this guy did kill 4 and wound two.
However barbaric his methods were he made his point PUBLICLY and ironically with much help from the police.
He IS a COWARD. It doesn't matter what organizations he worked for. Just because he was a great marksman, doesn't mean anything. Of the 4 people he shot and killed, NONE were LAPD. So his elaberate plan didn't go as well as he planned, actually is seems like it didn't play out at all like he planned. So he runs to hide in the mountains, hides, then kills himself. If he was so proud of himself, then why did he kill himself if he wanted to "clear" his name? Maybe because he didn't have a case after all. He thought he would be so awesome to pick off the officers and families, but when he had the opportunity and his ass was in the fire (no pun intended), he wimps out. He had every chance to turn himself in and give up but he didn't. He spent the last few years planning to get back at the LAPD because he was fired. Boo Hoo. Pick your lip up and get another job. So what if his name was smeared in the security sector. There are other jobs out there. Walmart is always hiring.
Ken Trout -
Having hailed from Southern CA - born and raised - LAPD has never had a good reputation. Corruption has plagued them for years. And, yes, trigger happy has been part of their problem.
You don't consider the shooting of those by police officers as a "mistaken identity" to be dubbed trigger happy? Most people would! Grant it, they were running scared, but come on... they are supposed trained officers. Shoot first and ask questions later is okay with you? /shrugs.
Not to ordinary, unsuspecting, citizens who are at risk and have been shot by these officers.
One of the ten safety rules of SAFE GUN HANDLING: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT - And I am NOT a trained officer - rather a citizen who happens to be a gun owner, and I know that much.
Simply put, f&c$ Christopher Dorner, extra crispy. You live by the sword, you die by the sword...
Granted, LAPD have dirt on them. But they also work one of the worst cities with extreme gang activity, and I dare anyone to do this kind of stuff where every day could be your last. Even hard-core LEO's are just human beings.
I didnt really think that they would arrest him and bring him in
live men talk. HE wanted the truth to be known. Im sure the police
dept at least some of the ones he targited know. Its a shame this young
man had to go this route there were so many other options he could have taken.
LOL..one self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.
Never said a word about the twenty-two gunshot wounds in the body though! Due to fire body was to charred up to tell!
We didn't burn down that cabin..even though we do admit we said get the gas cans and burn the MF'er!
Deliala
Then why did he kill people who were not police? Hello logic, meet holes...
Sonamabich!!!! I called it first!! Self inflicted gunshot wound. (if you can check my posts from that far back with this new newsvine format...pffft) It was the only logical outcome.
Just figured out how to check back. I posted on 2/8/13, my birthday. So many people try to figure out what conspiracy is going on, etc etc. This was a simple case of a person that was clearly unable to handle what life threw at him in a rational way, and he crashed......and that's that. But hey, you do what you gotta do. Be well.
What 22 gunshot wounds?
Dorner deserved to die, no matter how- but the police only raise more suspicions and even create more Dorners when they lie ("we did not deliberately set that fire"), are above reproach (shot three innocent civilians and their respective neighborhoods without public apology) and deceive ("we're re-opening the case that started all this"-NOT) and outright con (no reward will be given).Then they wonder why they are as despised and mistrusted by the people here in southern California.
Ken Trout, they are pretty damned trigger-happy. No apologies for shooting up three people, and outright lies I have detailed in my above comment. And please take the time to spell and proofread your comment so you can be taken seriously. YES, he deserved to die a hundred deaths- but they keep missing good opportunities to earn the public trust here.
Lol! I see the bitter, little misandrists are present. Go back to your Gloria Stienem books, lady.
pjam09
You defend him and vilify others solely because he was black - and for no other reason.
Back in the day, Gloria was a looker. Granted she was on the other side of the fence, but I would have bought her a few drinks (if she let me) and hoped for the best. lol.
What did we all learn from this?...besides that the AP and MSNBC were absent the day they taught journalism in journalism school....
We have learned that a disgruntled government employee took revenge...he had motive but was indeed wrong.
He did expose the LAPD to what appears to be their total disregard for peoples constitutional rights. Three innocent people being shot or shot at without warning by the LADP supports this.
The burning of the cabin is nothing more than a summary execution.
The journalism in this article is terrible. I like the part where they went-out-of-their-way to explain what a flash suppressor is...although it is totally inaccurate I like how it was slanted. Flash suppressors have nothing to do whatsoever with suppressing sounds of a firearm...even a so-called assault rifle.
Condemning man dead or alive is wrong when all the facts are not present. As highly inaccurate as the PR has been from the LAPD, I would not believe one word that come forth from them.
Foreget it.
He murdered 4 people, I don't give a Sh*t what he had to say.
You would just have to be a "coward" to stand up knowing you were going to be wiped from the face of existence.
Are you suggesting we should take the law into our own hands? If we all did what Dorner did when wronged, this country would degenerate into anarchy over night.
We all know the LAPD and the police in other cities have corrupt officers and administration. The way to solve that is not to gather an arsenal and write a manifesto. It is not to draw up a 'hit list' and murder innocent people.
Dorner went postal. If you cannot figure out how else he could have gone about addressing his grievances, all I can say is that you and others who feel as you do are too immature and unstable to own a gun.
A "coward" trained by the LAPD. The finest cowards. Only the best.
Is it just me, or does this remind anyone else of that scene from Star Wars Episode IV? You know - the scene on Tatooine where the stormtroopers are looking for C3P0 and R2D2. They knock on the door, try to open it, and then the one trooper says, "This one's locked. Let's move on." (or something to that effect).
@Renee - Northern CA, & Ssimmons117,
Please try and forgive Ken Trout as it is Newsvines resident Court Jester. It's not that Ken is ignorant. Ken just happens to be a
slow learnerNO learner thats all. It's not really his fault though as Ken doesn't have any family and friends (that are like family) actually involved in Psychology (Mom is a Recovering Lawyer turned Practicing Psychologist), Law Enforcement, Retired Judge, Military (Marines, Army, Navy & RCAF then RCMP) to learn from. Since he is lacking in all of these helpful areas he relies on the government for all his info. What could go wrong there? ;) Our politicians are pure as fresh snowfall, honest (as Lance Armstrong), law abiding (sorry Constitution), Hard Working (my nose is growing and it won't stop), Reliable (as a Yugo maybe), Selfless (they take all of that Lobbyist money ONLY so we don't have to worry about their future) and full of Common Sense (I stepped in some cleaning a horses stall just the other day) - LOLZZZ@kaybeetoys,
"If you cannot figure out how else he could have gone about addressing his grievances, all I can say is that you and others who feel as you do are too immature and unstable to own a gun."
So says Minnie Mouse............... ;) Seriously though in theory you are correct in reality it just isn't that easy. Good Cops often give up and "Go with the flow" because the Bad ones manage to get in a position of power, influence or using the tight little click method. I'm not going to repost everything that I have learned from MY family (that have lived it) about this subject. If you wish see previous posts.
I will re-post that when (or if - though personally I find it unlikely that the LAPD would go so low as to be involved in this ) Mr. Dorner killed innocent family members just to hurt those that did him wrong he crossed a line that there is no going back from.
Regards,
Brandon
Too bad he didnt blow his brains out a week earlier! would of saved a few lives YES a big FAT cOWARD!
Obviously Dorner snapped and took innocent lives. When some people started saying his case should be "re-opened," I thought it was a waste of time. I thought he was just another dangerous nut case, that is UNTIL I read his complete manifesto. It was not just a "rambling" document as the news media reported. He actually seemed to have a legitimate gripe against the LAPD, and he DID NOT blame all law enforcement agencies, or the government, or the military. He was proud of his service and proud to be an American, but due to what he perceived to be a long list of unjustices that ruined his life and career, he fell into deep depression and mental breakdown.
I DO NOT condone his killing of innocent people, but I recommend everyone read what this man had to say in his final letter to the world. Some of it rings true, and is very sad, indeed.
I guess we can all rest more easily now, knowing that the last thing going through Christopher Dorner's already damaged mind was a one-bristle brain brush.
a SAD event in the whole situation. you don't kill a cop, we all know that. the chain of events just don't add up though. why was a person that served his Country & belonged to a Police Union that perhaps would have represented him go wacko? I guess I'm just dismayed about Common Justice here. Bin Laden was worse and was allowed decades of being a fugitive. nothing makes anymore, everything has gone to madness beyond unfathomable limits...
BullShlt You need to listen to the audio from the police scanners. They said they are going forward with the plan to set of "burners" and deployed atleast 7 to 10 of them. They used pyrotecnic tear gas which is a big diff from what you are talking about. There is also audio of another cop yelling over scanner that they are going the effing burn him out. MSM is not going to report this, you can here the audio on democracynow.org along with many other non MSM sites. This is not just folks saying this, this is actual police audio so stop your lying. Also I advice you avoid that koolaid you are drinking
MALE VOICE: All right, Steve, we’re going to go—we’re going to go forward with the plan, with—with the burner.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Police say the phrase "burner" referred to a grenade-like canister containing flammable tear gas. In another recording that was aired live on the TV station KCAL, a police officer can be heard in the background shouting, "We’re going to burn him out," and "Burn it down."
betcha, the bullet in his head and the burning of the cabin was by the police, not by dorner, now they don't pay a reward nor does he get to go to trial and maybe rat out some more corruption. and no need to investigate that stuff that got him fired, i am not saying this man was right, if he did actually kill those ppl, but now everything will cool down and basically be forgotton and no more guilty will have to pay.
The fact that this nutjob respected Blowbama, Nancy PelGrossi, Hairy Weed, et al., speaks VOLUMES about his LACK of character.
It was either that, walk out into a hail of gunfire, or burn to death. The Sheriff's Dept. wasn't taking any prisoners that day from that cabin. I really don't see how that Sheriff could stand in front of all those cameras and state that they didn't purposely burn that shack down. Talk about being FOS (full of @!$%#); I admit that was some over-the top stuff Dorner was putting down over being railroaded out of the force, but trial by fire?
Ok... a murdering coward.
I gotta agree with ya there, chief. Nobody would know better than the San Bernadino Sheriff's Dept. that throwing those things into a completely dried up wooden structure would do. I don't blame them for wanting to end it, but don't stand there and talk bull @!$%#.
If only he could have been so brave as to shoot up vehicles he feared and to set a trapped mans cabin on fire. Such heroism. (sarcasm)
First he burned inside the house, now he can burn in hell...
Is the Sheriff going to pay for burning down the cabin?
I don't need to know why he did it I only need to know he wont do it again
Yes Rontron they probably will they did say they were going to but a new truck for the innocent civilians that they shot in the back..with their assault rifles.
Ohhh, poor Dorner. No fair trial? That poor, neglected soul. Kill multiple innocent people and the "bad guys" take your rights from you? How dare they. What a role model, he stated that he was going to avenge his betrayal by law enforcement by murdering the ones that wronged him, yet he did not kill any of them. Lack of commitment. Could not even do his self- appointed job correctly. Bum. Do you smell that, oh wait, it's a piece of self- indulgent garbage, burning.
Maybe they offered the owners a used cabin in the same way they offered the mother and daughter news delivery gals a used truck.
and Dorner certainly wasn't going to allow himself to be taken alive..lol ya'll acting like he was sitting scared in that cabin screaming for help..begging to surrender. he was not..he was saying get closer..ill take out more..of course they didn't give him a fair trial..ya'll killin me with this fair trial bullcrap.
fra fra, you are mistaken. The women are getting a new truck donated.
But hey, don't let facts get in the way of another stupid comment.
Trust me when I say that they will get more than a new truck that was donated. That is a fact that they will take to the bank.
You sure, Renee? They're already backpeddling on the reward. What makes you think these women will ever be whole again?
Of course they will backpedal on the reward -
I never stated anything about the women not being whole, ever again. I am not even sure where you got that from my post?
I said in addition to the newly donated truck they are to receive - (they will sue) - and that is a fact they can take to the bank.
You don't think this family hasn't already been contacted by attorneys?
Renee - Northern CA says: "You don't think this family hasn't already been contacted by attorneys?"
I expect that they have already been contacted by the thousands. This is a lawyers dream and is akin to holding a royal flush in a high stakes, no-limit poker game.
I am a cop supporter but I am afraid that they were wrong in this instance.
The women in the truck has the right & should sue the City and The LAPD for almost killing them, but the reward should go to the couple who stumbled in on Dorner sleep in their cabin. I can think of a million reasons why running into Chris Dorner was probably the best thing that happened to them in a long time.
No attorney is going to waste his or her time trying a case that is only going to earn them 30-percent.
Of course they will. It's a slam dunk case. Any attorney in Southern California would take it if they could.
Heck, I'd take it and win, and I'm not an attorney.
@Rontron,
"Is the Sheriff going to pay for burning down the cabin?"
Only AFTER the tax payers get the bill.
Paul,
Those innocent women the six cops ambushed and shot in the back will get a lot more than just a new truck
Yeah, it was a'self-inflicted' gunshot wound... yeah
I dont know if anyone else has been following recent news pertaining to alleged cop killers. What a coincidence that a plethora of these suspects are found with an alleged self-inflicted bullet in their head.
He was a cowardly scum bag in life and he took the cowards way out in death. There is absolutely nothing that justifies what this man did to his innocent victims. I very much hope he rots in his own personal hell that he so justly deserves!
i cannot believe some people--they DO NOT CARE if the law does anything wrong---just so they get the perpetrator off the street...no matter what a person does-he or she should be "captured" & brought to justice,"supposely" still in this country....they made sure that he wasn't going to get the chance to "talk" anymore period...there are too many things that do not add up,in this whole saga...IF they "heard" a single gunshot (which "alledgely"was a selfinflicted gunshot wound),prior to the "deliberate" fire that was set---then why was it even necessary to burn down the cabin?,(which they were overheard on tape saying(BURN THE F----- DOWN),?then why didn't they let the firemen put the fire out?apparently he had stockpiled weapons & was determined to have a battle,(only to kill himself?)doesn't make sense...& lastly-but not leastly--how did his wallet & identification GET to the cabin--,when he had dropped it at the navel base days earlier?too many questions are not being answered.for the people who think the law---is ABOVE the law..well they aren't..it is really scary to think of what ELSE that might go on,that "THE LAW" doesn't tell us....don't ya think?...so,i guess some people are missing the whole point
Shadylady
Dorner's brain was obviously not running not running on all cylinders. As I stated above, there is absulutly nothing that justifies what this man did, which it sounds like you are attempting to do with your conspiracy theory. A single gunshot with the weapon pressed firmly agaist the side of the head will in fact muffle the sound! The fire was set by Dorner himself as a premeditated act. Yes the LAPD made mistakes. I will not deny that, but you are obviously not taking into account the intensity of their feelings. Dorner had just recently murdered fellow police officers in cold blood! How did his wallet and ID get into the cabin? Use your head for something besides a counterweight! I carry my wallet and ID around with me, and I have other forms of ID as well, do you? Sounds like one of the people missing points is yourself!
Dorner did not commit suicide no more than Marilyn Monroe overdosed!!! He knew too much and needed him dead.
Too many cops shooting innocent people. Like the girl that just died at Walmart for stealing lip Gloss. Shot in the neck. Her 2 girlfriends watched her drown in Blood flowing from her mouth as they drove to safety. Loose screw cops the country is riddled with them. 90% are great guy's it's the 10% that are Rattle Snakes. Like Priest's and Foot Ball coaches and Scout Leaders it's the 10% that poisons the bushel.
RIP, dude. Dorner is a champion and a martyr, dying whilst protesting and fighting back against the thugs who are the LAPD.
you mean murderer nothing else rot in hell bastard
You think murdering 4 people in cold blood is the makings of a champion and a martyr? Dude, seek help. Really.
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Eric; see ya at your next field interrogation...good luck.
Eric Cahill is the same type of person who talks poorly of law enforcement, but is the first to call 911 when someone breaks into his mother's house, ( You know, because he lives in her basement).
LOL, Cory, exactly!
its a sad day for you and yours when you have to pick coward murderers as your hero. Says tons about you though.
you're a fag
Are some of you really that stupid or do you have to try harder than most? This guy killed people he did not know and had nothing to do with his problems.
Eric Cahill
RIP, dude. Dorner is a champion and a martyr, dying whilst protesting and fighting back against the thugs who are the LAPD.
Champion and martyr...Just like the terrorist suicide bomber who kills innocent people.
According to Mary Ellen O'Toole, a retired FBI profiler:
Dorner's aggressive and self-aggrandizing rant indicates a classic case of malignant narcissist personality disorder.Some people with this disrder are extremely thin-skinned and vengeful. They may seem insecure, but in reality their rages and even tears are extreeme reactions to real or imagined critisisms because they have such grandiose visions of themselves. He is putting in his Manifesto that he is going to use all the training as an LAPD officer and as a military officer to basically hold Southern California hostage. Is he deadly? Yes. But is he capable of taking on some 1,000 officers looking for him? That's someone with a personality disorder.
From Gillian Flaccus Associated Press as posted in the Sierra Vista Herald
Yeah - prolly shot himself in the back 45 times, pausing twice to reload.
OK, that was a rehash of an old National Lampoon joke. Killing unsuspecting cops and the daughter of the guy he thought screwed him is heinous. But, having read every word of his manifesto, my opinion (which, coupled with 46 cents, will allow you to mail a first-class letter anywhere in the US) is that this was an intelligent, dedicated guy who was convinced he was screwed, and screwed hard. I can't condone what he did - but I get the rage. Other ex-LA cops have come forward with disturbingly similar stories. Time for a REAL housecleaning.
lololololololol
Eric Cahill just trolled you all LIKE A BOSS!
Good troll is good.
:D
DUDE REALLY? Maybe his mother didnt hug him enough? The poor little 270lb murder! He got what he had coming to him!
Eric
See post #2.24!
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Right Jonathan ....this scum bag was nothing more than a worthless, cowardly slimeball. Good riddance to him, let him burn in hell, so sorry for the innocent people this worthless scum killed.
Do you guys smell that? It smells like disgrace. No, it smells like dishonor. Oh wait, that is just Dorner's corpse, easy to make those mistakes...
I wish we could hear his side of the story. He only had it in for the police
dept. To bad he didnt leave a log book or diary behind I really do not believe he
shot himself. What were the screams we heard on the news of someone pushing
him back into the burning house will the truth ever surface.
Deliala - read his Manifesto ( A manifesto is a published verbal declaration of the intentions, motives, or views of the issuer, be it an individual, group) It pretty much speaks for itself.
http://www.10news.com/news/read-the-manifesto-of-ex-lapd-officer-christopher-dorner-who-is-the-subject-of-a-california-manhunt
Deliala
Then why did he kill people who were not police? Hello logic, meet holes...
"Good riddance . . . "? Yeah, because we're all rubbish in the eyes of the United States of Homeland Security and the LAPD and the State of California.
Jack,
The cowards were the ones who were so terrified of Doner they shot up everything that moved.
The cowards were the ones who were so terrified they used an armored battering ram and seven canisters of burners to set the cabin on fire, rather than send in a swat team that wanted no part of Dorner..........And the BS the cabin fire was an accident, is just that, B*llsh!t
I am not saying Doner did not deserve what he got, I am saying the whole manhunt was conducted in a cowardly, unprofessional and irrational manner
Dorner is only ACCUSED of those crimes. You don't think the cops would start a manhunt like this without fabricating some justification first, do you?
Let's see, a decorated war veteran joins the force, sees how corrupt it is, tries to "blow the whistle" through the system, gets fired for it, threatens to take his information public, and BAM! suddenly he's on a killing spree. Something about this "story" stinks.
1400-word or 11,000+word manifesto? I know the one I read was much longer than 1400 words. Details are quite important in journalism.
JB - speaking of journalism - the title of this article states :
"Dorner died of self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, authorities say"
But then the articles goes on to say:
Authorities had been unsure whether Dorner killed himself, had been struck by a deputy's bullet or had died in a fire that engulfed the cabin during the shootout. The coroner's finding still must be finalized. (Italics and emphasis added)
Who Cares!!!
Everyone should. Those who welcome killing on any side are either psychotic or fools.
Saying things like "he got what he deserved" is just what is wrong with this country, a complete lack of empathy. Not caring about whether the fellow man was innocent or not, just as long as they perceive the "bad guys" are dead so they can revel in the killing.
Some deserve to die, but you need not enjoy it.
I still wonder if he shot himself AFTER he tried to run out the door but another policeman pushed him back INTO the burning building. If so, he shot himself to avoid being burned alive when he should have been taken into custody.
His dad should have wore a comdom!
Cassandra--you must be either 14 or just plain heartless. You are over-vigilant, even paranoid about how this nasty murderer met his end, but don't express one ounce of sympathy about his six innocent victims, two of whom he'd killed just an hour before. What about their rights? Sometimes folks like you pretend to be so moral that they actually seem to lack morals.
Correction: 5 victims, one killed the hour before. Bad enough.
Actually I think she is quite right! 14 or not....LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL...not just some we deem as innocent, how do we know the cop killed in the mountains was not about to hire someone to kill his own wife the very next day? INNOCENT is something NO ONE is....how do we know he was not fired and made to look bad only because he was about to blow the whistle on some corruption. COPS, JUDGES, LAWYERS, DOCTORS, DRUG DEALERS, CONVICTS....every single one of them as well as us are just human beings, we make mistakes, some we get away with, lie about to get away with, some we can not live with the guilt so we come clean...maybe an officer will come clean and say he was in fact pushed back in, you kill a cop, you get killed...happens quite often in my opinion.
killing 4 people was dorners decision, he CHOSE to do that, these people had nothing to do with his problem . so if the LAPD was not taking prisoners, thats ok dorner brought this sh@t down on himself.
should have hired a lawyer and sued the LAPD if he was wrongly fired. did him no good now did it?
he and 4 people would be alive today had he chose the correct way to go about things. he got as good as he gave. it's his own damn fault he is dead, nothing more and nothing less.
It is easy to tell which on this vine are cops by the way the have condemned Doner and defend police tactics even before all the evidence is in. Most inter-city cops today act more like vigilantes and could care less about due process. I read everyday where a cop kills someone because they thought he was reaching for a weapon, he did not have, or was approaching in a threatening manner. And this is why fewer and fewer people respect and trust inter-city cops especially. And I think it is mostly because of the method of training.
Kilroy, ...How many have the finances to fight the establishment, and how many succeed ? You talk BS my friend.
so ellis the killing of four people is justified because there are some bad cops????? so dorner taking the lives of four people and taking the law into his own hands is right? these people were NOT putting his life in danger, HE WAS, he ambushed the first four people he shot, and shot the other two , because..........................wait for it.........he was gonna get arrested for shooting the first four. and then shot himself because he did not want to go to jail. if it was your family members he killed i bet you would have him brought in dead or alive. he choose to take the dead route. and again just like the 6 people he shot , and himself, HIS DECISION. HE should be held accountable, and he was . now it's done.
kilroy,......what a fitting handle. The 71 old newspaper delivery lady the six cops ambushed and shot in the back was putting no body's life if danger, nor was the surfer the cops randomly opened fire on either......
To me, it looks like there more than one cold blooded killer involved here. Lucky for the newspaper delivery ladies and the surfer the cops were not better shots.
sorry ellis i hate to burst your bubble on your little pun, but kilroy has nothing to do with killing , cops make mistakes, just like YOU just did. you should not assume makes an ass out of you and me.
the slim is roting in hell one less evil person walking this world hope he likes walking on hot coals -- what a sick individual and anyone who thinks he had the right to do what he did.
Who is slim?
As the LAPD and SBPD have shown, there are plenty more and worse still walking amongst us.
slimjam-- you are sitting in your hole waitng for something that will never happen happy trails moron.
it always amazes me how individuals accept the concept of a hell torture and can use that to back up a one sided point of view and be done with it.....the simple life of ignorance is hell here on earth for us with an open mind. A mind is like a parachute....it works when it is open!
You mean they shot a pyrotechnic device into the house and didn't expect it to burn? What was it supposed to do?
They shot 7 of them in, yes SEVEN tear-gas canisters into one house, not to burn it down though... wink wink.
You can suck on his manifesto...Those that agree with me can print it out and use it for toilet paper. He didn't have the courage to face his innocent victims or his enemies...so he took the easy way out.
Real courage is posting anonymously. I think we're all pretty happy to hear zhovti has taken to using toilet paper now.
zhovti - "He didn't have the courage to face his innocent victims or his enemies...so he took the easy way out."
You mean like the SBPD faced their enemy? Wasn't burning the cabin down without even speaking to him awfully easy and convenient? Angry mobs in hoods did that back at the turn of the 20th century.
They never even told him one time to drop his weapons & come out with his hands behind his head. They shot him back in when he tried to come out the back door after they set the cabin on fire thru the front door.
snaleoil, did you even read the article?????????
who cares why they shot them in there. Then end result served the community :)
Pjam09
If someone is trying to kill you, are you going to call Dr. Drew and schedule an intervention? Maybe Dr. Phil? If I wrote a letter stating that I was going to kill you and your family, how would you react. I know, YOU WOULD CALL THE POLICE!
They didn't need to tell him to drop his weapon(s) and come out with his hands up. Being an ex-cop, he would know to do that. He was a dead scum walking.
looooooooooooooooooooool
"Authorities say fugitive former cop Christopher Dorner died of a single gunshot wound to the head as authorities were pumping tear gas into a mountain cabin during a deadly gun battle with sheriff's deputies.".
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279511/BREAKING-Fugitive-ex-cop-Christopher-Dorner-died-gunshot-wound-head--self-inflicted.html
That is not true. They were throwing tear gas in for quite awhile, it was around 20 minutes after they started the 7 Burners and the place was fully engulfed and he ran down to the basement that he killed himself. They are not being truthful about the wounds either, he had at least one other before he killed himself and they acknowledge that on the scanner tape.
Instead of trying to glamorize this murderer, why don't reflect on how you would react to his situation?
If it involves killing innocent people, you should seek professional help.
Zhovti,
I never have defended what he did, however I do like accuracy. There have been a couple places where the police were not truthful, then there have been places when this happened where the media over reacted.
If reporting the story as it came down means I should seek professional help. You have a right to your opinion, however I listened to the whole thing on the police scanner, so I might know a thing or two about this. I also shared what was happening on Newsvine as it was happening, so it is time stamped, from when the fire actually started to the second single shot where he killed himself. If you would like the documentation. I can give it to you.
Zhovti - How does facing the reality of the cops blatantly lying to the public "glamorize a murderer"? He said nothing except what happened.
If your idea of "protecting and serving" is shooting up vehicles and burning cornered suspects, you do not belong in America, move to Russia.
Page 3 post #71 Actual time stamped events as they happened during Cabin fight that lead to Dornors suicide and time he actually commited suicide, 20 minutes after the fire, which were being reported at Newsvine as the police scanner announced them. Documented event.
No one will ever know why Christopher Dorner exhibited such aberrant behavior and took so many lives. However, one thing rings true, why was he burned out? Saddening all the way around and for so many...
You may want to check out this link @ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2278065/Christopher-Dorner-Killer-ex-cop-hiding-noses-police-condo.html
You need not look any further. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2278065/Christopher-Dorner-Killer-ex-cop-hiding-noses-police-condo.html
cit liberty
With all due respect, why are you using a uk news article as a source?
Jerseyshore marie,
"why are you using a uk news article as a source?." Fair question. Oddly they at times get the more accurate story then any of the USA news outlets. Over the past 32 years of researching historical events I have found one has to go several sources. If you go to Page 3 post #72 you will see I list several various places to go that I used while following this news event. Some are local News sources, some are national, some are in other countries like mailonline. There is not just one good reliable news source. To do ones homework is wise.
Have a great day.
Glamorous? Dorner did what he did because it was glamorous? Nobody joins the LAPD, the 34 double D drama queen of a culture representing unrepentant and intrenched corruption and violence, because it is glamorous. Getting a paycheck isn't glamorous, especially being an officer in the Navy, or the employee of a state that is bankrupt. To be tossed from the LAPD means only two things. One, that you are the biggest candy-a** that every walked the face of the earth or, two, you had it coming from birth. Some choices, in a country of the too big to fail, too big to jail, the Rule of Law is our way or the being burned alive in some two-bit cabin that this country has become. Dorner was dead before his first birthday.
They should have threw frag grenades in there!
joe s-1610165
They should have threw frag grenades in there!
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I agree joe s, and those two innocent ladies that got shot in the back should have had frag grenades to throw back at the shooters to protect themselves. People that have our permission to take lives, should be punished to the utmost when they abuse it. But, of course, you don't have anything to say about that!!
Killed himself? Perhaps. Who knows? Expect anyone to really care at this point? Still. Take a long hard look around at this society. You've been raised on institutionalized illusions of what we do, how we arose as a nation, who we are, what the founders were all about, our values, what our political and economic systems are predicated upon, why we go to war, how "we" succeed here, et.al. The BS goes on and on and on. And not only do we accept it, we cheer it. Afterall, who has more access to shiny objects than us?!?
Then we're all aghast at how things got so screwed up, and by God, we're gonna get back to how it was if we can just get rid of these damn politicians.
Face it. We are what we are ... and we chose this When one of us snaps every once it a while and your govt has to put him down, who cares. Who's surprised. Look at it this way, it wasn't 20 some odd kids at a school this time. Maybe tomorrow.
We're foamy-mouthed mad, violent to the core and armed-but-never-enough, start wars for no reason now, torture now, and drone-drop human life from miles away. We incarcerate more than anyone ever thought of and have made it a Wall Street traded industry. We blame the failings of our sinister brand of faux capitalism upon the impoverished and for all the blathering on about accountability, accountability always rests at the very bottom of the given food chain.
But halleluiah we loves us some Jesus and damnit we're an exceptional shiny beacon on a hill.
"foamy-mouthed mad"!!!
We got a glimpse of humanity under "a little" pressure and discomfort on a luxury cruise ship. I shudder to think how humanity will react in a real disaster. Limited food and water, a little fear and we've got complete chaos.
"Self-inflicted" means he killed himself.
no i think self inflicted means, in their minds, he brought it on himself.
Virgil, your post was well-written, spelled correctly and puctuation was spot-on.
Buddy, you don't belong here.
beautifully written , virgil thank you
And when I'd almost stopped believing...
Virgil just proved that there is still intelligent life on this planet. You just hit the nail on the head, buddy, with some scary-accurate swinging of that word-hammer.
To simplify it for those who could not understand the big words he used: We Americans think that we are "the sh!t" when we are really just plain sh!t.
Speak for yourself! And not ''We Americans'' Mr Narrowmind!
People get fired from their jobs every day. Most don't go on a rant and then murder people. You pick up the pieces and move on. You're going to tell me this guy couldn't get another job in criminal investigation, or working undercover, or working for an attorney, or high-level security, or anything else law enforcement related? To label this guy a "champion and martyr" is beyond idiotic. What he is, thank goodness, is dead.
@ #10...right on the mark.
David - Of course they don't.
Nobody gets to decide that a suspect will be killed on sight with no provocation either. Do you think think the two old women in the Tacoma threatened the police?
I fired myself, and I didn't kill anybody...
What I can't understand is....... the body was charred, the cabin burnt to ashes? But yet? They found his driver's license and were able to read it.
There is a post by a military fire inspector where he said that even when the body is charred, where the body touches the ground or floor the clothes will still be intact & not burned. So in theory if his ID was in his back pocket & he was laying on the floor, the ID could still be readable even though the body is burnt beyond recognition.
I'm still thinking he's alive. In his manifesto he asked to have his brain donated to science...so why shoot himself in the head. He's too skilled. LAPD already has egg onit's face. what's a little more. He'll surface again in a few months.
Absolutely right Teddi!! Yours forever,Elvis P.
Yes, I think we all get a warm fuzzy feeling from death. Who's is vengance again?
virgil this is why i love Jesus
OK Virgil,we get it.Humans suck......any other profound observations to share Mr Happy?
This coming from the same people that said they didn't start the fire? Ummm "Burn that mother@!$%#er down now"
I know right? you think they would have offered him a warm blanket and maybe a cup of soup or somthing!
I mean he was probably tired from all that killing and kidnapping! The poor thing.
Joe, whether you like it or not we have laws. The rules of engagement do not include collateral damage.
Maybe the police could give a warm blanket or a cup of soup to the women they shot for no reason?
I mean, they were probably tired from going about their business delivering newspapers! Poor things.
I knew from the beginning that this guy was not going to be taken alive and he was not going to let the cops shoot him, I knew it would be by his own hand.
I was praying no one else would be killed
San Diego Jail
Funny thing is your "god" already let him into heaven and Christopher Dorner is already there smiling down on everyone laughing his butt off right now. Guaranteed LOLOLOLOL
Thankfully heaven dosen't allow weenies that use LOL after every stupid statement they make.Sorry dude.Elvis P.
Ssimmons117-
Really!?
rest in piece brother we will find out what set you off and kill it
did you mean "pieces"?
Dorner was nothing more than a coward, and he died like a coward by shooting himself in the head. The police had no choice but to let the cabin burn until they were sure the area was safe for the fire fighters to move in. Don't feel pity for this loser, he killed innocent people and ruined many lives. I think its fitting the way he died in a burning fire. Like the pits of hell where he belongs.
So is everyone who the police go on high-alert for and surround potential targets with dozens of bodyguards cowards? They were clearly terrified by they way they turned that Tacoma into swiss cheese despite it only having a couple of old women in it. Why are they so afraid of cowards?
Some how "coward" and "shooting yourself in the head" don't make sense to me.
maybe "desperate" and "shooting yourself in the head" sounds more realistic.
Of course if your just trying to reach the lowest common denominator......
yea,the word "coward"seems to be the new buzz word around postings these days. Anything from grandma not putting enough milk on your cereal to the Captain of the Carnival Cruise ship, everyone is considered a "coward. Must be some young uns on here trying out their new vocabulary. Cowards!
innocent people? their seed and their seed's seed.
The reasons you commit suicide, I think, defines whether it was cowardness or something else.
When Hitler killed himself that was the act of a coward.
Chris Dorner? He simply wasn't giving the police the satisfaction of capuring him or killing him.
Coward became a very popular term as America's Most Wanted host John Walsh made it his catch phrase. A coward is a 5 foot 3 inch actor that puts 2 inches of newpaper in the bottoms of his shoes.
Same deal with "hero".So overused it looses any real meaning.
Really? You believe the story that he shot himself in the head? How did they know the bullet that killed them was one he fired? After they burned him to a crisp and shot his body a few hundred times to satisfy their egos, I would think it would be difficult to determine which gunshot killed him.
he has been possitively identified?
Dorner must have mistook himself for a pair of middle aged Hispanic women.
He only shot himself once, not 80 times. :)
P.S.
One of them was over 70, not middle aged.
actually the latest report said ten self inflicted shots to the head.go figure.
30, at the most recent count. He reloaded twice. Although numbers may be off, the cops are having difficulty determining which head is his.
This coward and poor excuse for a human being, had a modicum of control over his situation! All he had to do at the first insertion of gas was to come out, unarmed, with his hands up and he would be alive today!! And don't tell me they would have shot him because the Police knew by then that every camera available would record their actions. He was nothing but an incompetent coward!! Everybody has a few hassles at work!! He simply was incapable of "Manning-up", slautered some innocent people and eventually, when faced with having to contend with equal fire power, took the pussy way out!!! I for one, hope he rots in Hell!!!
Wa2fist - "Police knew by then that every camera available would record their actions."
So where is the footage of them launching the "burners" into the windows?
Do you not recall the order for news choppers to vacate the area?
You clearly are not well informed on the matter.
I said every camera available dip Zhit! Did you not see the shots along with the audio from the cell phone camera close to action and the person being told to get down!
Lol and pjamo9 thinks they should have just let him go!
Retired LAPD officer Nunez and a college team mate who say they knew Doner pretty well, said they were quite surprised Doner did what he did because he held himself to pretty high ethical standards... With that in mind, I cannot help but wonder if Doner's perception of high ethical standards is not what got him fired, in his accusations of excessive force against his fellow officer, he said, "it was not necessary for her to kick the suspect in the chest and face while Doner had him subdued on the ground.".....So maybe what set Doner off is the realization his high ethical standards were not welcome in the LAPD........After all, Doner's chances of escaping would have been much better if he had not allowed the couple who owned the cabin he was hiding in , and the man who's truck he hijacked to live, but he did....
This is a very sad story all around..indeed.
Dorner may not have been treated fairly in his firing by the LAPD. But that did not give him license to kill innocent people, except under the most perverse interpretation of the Second Amendment which, unfortunately, some gun nuts have been advocating.
They "accidentally" set it on fire? Really? What was all that "BURN IT, BURN IT, BURN IT, [bleep, bleep] NOW!!!" recorded audio about? This was recorded right before the place was set on fire but AFTER it was shot full of gas?? I find this whole report very suspicious and I'm one who is normally solidly on the side of believing the police.
The "cold" tear gas didn't work. So the sheriff's deputies used the incendiary type, which almost always causes fires.
Invisible - They never used "cold" cans. The audio is well documented.
"Seven burners deployed, and we have fire."
Seven where used to create multiple fires so they couldn't be put out, that amount of tear gas is absurd for a house.
Definitely an integrity issue with the Sheriff's.
Then again you know what they say
The difference between a cop and a criminal is the side of the badge their on...
Both trying to see what they can get away with.
it should be ruled that they cannot use that type.
Over the years I've heard police news conferences where they said that they deployed tear gas or smoke grenades, but this is the first time I've heard them called burners.
This was a execution plain and simple the L.A.P.D was very very afriad of this one man,that way they sent a army to get him..you reap what you sow that goes for everyone...
let me see dorner didnt murder anyone am i understanding that. he was a coward, slim bucket, murderer. get it straight remember who is the real criminal here if your rotted brain can think that far which i doubt it can. if it were your family member to be slain im sure you wouldnt have the same compassion am i right i know i am you are pathetic and always will be. not even sure why im even reading your worthless crap. only reason could be is to stand up for the innocent unlike you and your warped way of thinking. you really are a retard.
Im sorry Sue, but can you tell me where is the proof that he killed those two individuals in Irvine?? There is none... and by the way, what do you call trigger happy LAPD officers shooting at innocent women from the back???????? please Sue enlight me>>
Wow Sue, way to resort to name calling. Really mature of you.
rafa--you are a joke nothing more --tard ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
1981-- like i worry about that @!$%# brains
Good for the crybaby!! reaped what he sowed!
Sue, uuuhhh try to relax some.