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Gabriel Luis Acosta / San Bernardino Sun via AP file
Redlands, Calif., police officers man a blockade near the entrance to the San Bernardino National Forest in Southern California on Tuesday during the manhunt for Christopher Dorner.
For six days this month, the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service joined local enforcement in the desperate search for cop-turned-killer Christopher Dorner. The biggest manhunt Los Angeles has ever seen is now over, but there is no shortage of suspects in cold-blooded murders commanding the attention of federal agents.
The worst of them have been given spots on two lists: the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives and the Marshals Service's' top 15 fugitives. The rosters are a catalog of atrocities: a mother and two children with their throats slit, a little girl kidnapped and strangled, an armored-car guard ambushed after a pickup.
"It's a full-court press with these people," said Lenny DePaul, a U.S. Marshals commander who heads one of the agency's seven regional task forces devoted to capturing violent fugitives.
"There's funding, there's resources, there's travel -- no boundaries when it comes to a top 15 case."
The FBI's most-wanted each has at least one agent in a field office assigned to each case, bolstered by a special unit at headquarters in Washington which can "bring all the tools out of the toolboxes," said Jayne Challman, chief of the Violent Crimes Threat Section.
The suspects are on the two lists because the crimes are heinous, but also because the feds think extra attention and publicity will help catch them.
"I could name a thousand cases that could be on the top 15," said DePaul, who noted that the only way to get off the Marshals' list is in handcuffs or a coffin.
Since the FBI list was established in 1950, 497 fugitives have earned the dubious distinction, and all but 30 of them have been caught. The longest anyone has lingered is 28 years -- Victor Manuel Gerena, who is still wanted for a terrifying bank robbery in 1983.
DePaul said every lead on a top 15 case is followed up, quickly and exhaustively. Though many turn out to be dead ends, the marshals keep looking for the one that will let them cross another name off the list.
"They make mistakes," he said of the suspects. "Their resources run out, they communicate with someone, they slip up. Their luck runs out."
Here are some of the accused killers on the FBI and Marshals' list whose luck hasn't run out -- yet:
Andrew Neverson: He's a ladies' man with the "gift of gab" -- and a hair-trigger temper, investigators say. Neverson, 48, is wanted for the back-to-back murders of his sister and ex-girlfriend and has eluded capture for more than a decade.
Born in Trinidad, he moved to Brooklyn, N.Y., as a teenager, but was deported in 2000 after serving five years for shooting a girlfriend's uncle five times. His family helped him sneak back into the U.S. months later with a bogus passport -- a fatal mistake, according to the marshals.
U.S. Marshals
Andre Neverson
In 2002, Neverson allegedly killed his sister, Patricia Neverson, 39, with a gunshot to the head after an argument over money. Three days later, police found the body of Neverson's girlfriend, Donna Davis, 34, in a vacant lot. Police believe she was kidnapped and shot dead after breaking up with him.
The muscular 6-foot-2 suspect vanished for four months, then turned up with a gun, demanding to see his 2-year-old daughter, the feds say. By the time the cops found out, he was in the wind again. U.S. marshals, who put him on the most-wanted list in 2004, suspect he may have returned to Trinidad and could be supporting himself as a bouncer or by buying and selling cars.
Meanwhile, his New York relatives live in fear.
"I can never totally be safe," Akim Neverson, his nephew, told the New York Post in 2010. "When I'm walking, and it's dark or I'm in a crowd of people, I have to keep an extra eye out. I can't really ever be comfortable knowing he's out there."
Jason Derek Brown: He was a ringer for Sean Penn, with a back-story that a Hollywood producer would love. Brown was a Mormon missionary who earned a master's degree in international business before he morphed into something of a playboy, a club-hopping snowboarder and skier who drove fancy cars, the FBI says.
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Jason Derek Brown taken in 2004
In 2004, while buried under debt from living the high life, he pumped five bullets into armored-car guard Robert Palomares, 24, and fled with $56,000 in cash receipts from a Phoenix movie theater, authorities allege.
Agents have followed some tantalizing leads: a Cadillac linked to Brown found in Portland in 2005 and a sighting in 2008 in Salt Lake City by someone who had been in missionary training with him. The 43-year-old, who was added to the FBI's top 10 list five years ago, hasn't been seen since.
Investigators say the one-time golf-equipment salesman is highly intelligent, fluent in French and comfortable in international settings. His wanted poster notes that he "enjoys being the center of attention," a trait he's apparently managed to keep in check for the last eight years.
Daniel William Hiers Jr.: He's a fugitive-tracker's worst nightmare: an ex-cop who knows how to hunt, has martial-arts training and once said he'd rather die than go to prison.
Hiers, 40, who spent 11 years on the force in South Carolina, hid his depravity behind all-American looks and a shiny badge, authorities say.
Daniel William Hiers, Jr.
In 2004, the married officer allegedly befriended a single mom and then molested her 10-year-old daughter for months. He was arrested, suspended from his job and released on bond -- then failed to surrender to face new charges in March 2005.
His mother went looking for him at his Goose Creek house and got no answer. Instead, his wife of seven years, Ludmila, was found dead in the bedroom with a gunshot wound to the head. While on the lam, Hiers was charged with the 24-year-old's murder.
"I never imagined something like this could happen," the victim's mother, Sueli Cohe de Araujo, said in 2008, after traveling from her native Brazil to South Carolina for at a candlelight memorial marking the third anniversary of the slaying.
Hiers' Chevrolet Aveo was found in the border city of Laredo, Texas, three months after the murder, according to the Marshals Service. Weeks later, he was added to the most-wanted list, but purported sightings from Colorado to Toronto have not panned out.
Robert William Fisher: The crime was beyond horrific: a Scottsdale, Ariz., mother and two children with their throats slit from ear-to-ear, their home devoured by flames after a gas explosion. Just as disturbing was the revelation that Fisher, husband and father of the victims, was the suspect.
Robert William Fisher, photographed in 1999.
Investigators have called Fisher, 51, an "ultra-control freak." Police documents obtained by the Arizona Republic suggest the cardiac technician and former Navy firefighter may have snapped after his wife, Mary, got fed up with his philandering and domestic tyranny and started talking about divorce. He allegedly put a bullet in her head before blowing up the house to cover up the crime.
The last time Fisher was seen was the day of the slaughter, taking $280 out of an ATM. Ten days later, police found his car and the family dog in his favorite hunting spot. The FBI put him on its list in 2002 and the agent in charge of the case gets tips every week; all of them have turned out to be false leads.
An avid hunter and fisherman with an extensive gun collection, investigators believe the suspect could be surviving in the outdoors. They say he walks very erect with his chest pushed out because of a back injury, has a gold tooth on his upper left first bicuspid, likes to hang out at strip clubs, and favors Copenhagen chewing tobacco.
Alexis Flores: In the years after 5-year-old Iriana DeJesus was abducted, sexually assaulted and murdered, authorities had her suspected killer in their grasp twice. They just didn't know it.
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Alexis Flores, photographed in 2005.
It wasn't until 2007 -- seven years after the shocking slaying in Philadelphia -- that DNA tied Flores to the homicide, the FBI says. By then, he had already been deported to his native Honduras for crimes that pale in comparison.
"Now we have a name, now we have a face," the victim's mother, Lizasuain DeJesus, told NBCPhiladelphia.com in 2010, when Flores' name was added to the FBI list.
Her daughter was missing for five days in August 2000 before her body was found in a nearby apartment building. The preschooler had been strangled, police said.
Detectives began hunting for a drifter known only as Carlos, who had come to the neighborhood with a hard-luck story and been offered clothing and shelter, but had only a sketch to go on.
Flores, meanwhile, headed west. In 2002, he was arrested in Arizona for shoplifting. Two years later, he was busted for giving cops fake ID. That was a felony, and his DNA was collected and, the feds say, eventually matched to Iriana's case.
Those who knew the victim say they can't rest until Flores is captured.
It’s so tough on all of us. We just want justice," said C.J. Waddy, who was her preschool teacher and helps organize a memorial every year. "We want to get that phone call that they caught him. We want to know the person responsible for taking her away from us is getting everything he deserves."
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The NRA is delighted to see the good guys with guns to go after bad guys with guns.
There are many people with no guns may be in the path of cross fires.
America is turning into a war zone.
SO SAD.
Only doing something bad to a policeman warrants the high priority attention of the police department.
who the f*** is this guy ???
Interesting that of the five, two are ex-military and one is a former cop.
Born or bred?
Quick Thinker,
"who the f*** is this guy ???"
I suppose you mean "wilsonarden51" who has been posting that "I buy everything online" crap all over Newsvine. I don't know who he is, but he is a pain in the ass. Someone must be paying him to do that, although I don't know why, since his posts always get deleted anyway. Every time I see one, I just click "No value" under the exclamation mark.
Comment about NRA and "so many people without guns caught in the crossfire " is nonsense and irrelevant.
People like ArrogantApe scare easily. She faints at the doctor's office when the nurse takes a blood sample.
MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN, THROATS SLIT, LITTLE GIRL KIDNAPPED AND STRANGLED....I guess to the cops, this is MENIAL crimes, who gives a @!$%#!!!!! Kill a @!$%#ing cop, and they'll RAPE the taxpayers, spare no expense paying for a manhunt.
This is pathetic. When it comes to law enforcement in this country, if you're not part of the "Blue Code of Silence (also known as the Blue Shield, Blue Wall, Curtain, Veil, or Cocoon) family, you're @!$%#ed!
The thing is this: when media & journos abdicate their responsibility to cover the news then I can't believe much of what I read. It's been fed to them and they become simply the mouthpieces of police and govt. Propaganda.
Were any of these families given 24/7 police protection after these incidents? Those two elderly hispanic women delivering newspapers nearly lost their lives because the police thought they were Dorner. Why not do a story about that?
That too, and to specify, a 71 year old Hispanic woman, and her daughter, in a ROYAL BLUE Toyota Tacoma, shot twice in the back, (100 rounds fired?) last report, she's not doing good. The cops, well they knew Dorner was in a GRAY Nissan Titan, no way those two trucks, OR color represent one another.
But hey, no sweat, LAPD chief says the department will buy them a new truck.
Now.... why did the cops go after Dorner so crazily while regular murderers they just go after in a regular sort of way? What were they trying to hide?
Is it just me or do three of them look like Matt Damon, The Rock, and Sean Penn
I thought the same thing, especially Sean Penn. The first guy looks like a young Juan Williams, on Bill O'Reilly.
Ever consider why those two "Hispanic women" got bought off so cheap? Course it wont work, ya just know the lawyers are lined up around the block.
I wonder if the sighting of Brown in 2008 was actually a sighting of Sean Penn?
The big difference I see in the Christopher Dorner case is that Dorner stayed in Southern California and finally went to ground in a mountain cabin, close to where his burnt out car was found, whereas most of these other perps have proved extremely mobile, and several appear to have left the country.
While I agree that cops tend to make cop-killers a top priority, Dorner left a trail the key stone cops could follow. That makes all the difference.
Flores.....another illegal immigrant "just trying to make a better life for himself."
We would clean up more than half the garbage if we had better border security..
Where else would criminals go from a third world country.
Great post dman. I actually posted he had two days tops the day he died. I would like to see a "Most Wanted" article with pictures every day. Who knows what crimes and criminals would get solved and caught?
Thus spake the card carrying member of the Fraidy Campaign Against Violent Inanimate Objects. Its a wonder he got out of his bathtub long enough to use his keyboard.
KAYBEETOYS: #1.4
It is LESS THAN objective to make that statement. I only counted one mention of military. A Navy fireman. We called 'em snipes...mostly worked engines as below-deck type jobs.....not exactlyl combat trained.....
I also found it far mor interesting that 2 of them were immigrants and a third one was married to a Brazilian. Does that mean nationality is related
Divide the total number of ex-military felons by the number of living veterens. You better have a calculater that will figure percentage to a 0.000001 factor.
Same for cops.
Take the total number of living veterans.
The statement that "of the five, two are ex-military and one is a former cop" is completely objective.
"Born or bred?" is a question, not a statement.
Soldiers and policeman are trained to kill. I'm just wondering if or how that might factor in to the violent crimes they are alleged to have committed.
I think the salient factor here, is that these immigrants were more easily able to leave this country and exist elsewhere, which may explain why they have remained free for so long.
Yep when you arrive without a trace it's easy to disappear without a trace.
fawna, were you born as stupid as you sound? He threatened everyone connected with the police and their families. How many would you like to have had him kill for the FBI to go all out? The people of the entire area were afraid for their lives. I hope some day that you need a cop and he says "I read your post--take care of it yourself."
I would think killers of all kinds should be a priority.
Not just cop killers, alleged.
Killers of all kinds are a priority. Read the article. The cop killer you are referencing also killed non cops and car jacked and threatened non cops. Your comment is not accurate.
You think so? I don't. Read my post at #1.8 above, mother, children, little girl.....
Dorner was a huge black man driving a grey pickup. The cops nearly killed two elderly hispanic women delivering newspapers who drove a neon blue van...and a white surfer dude driving a black van. Where's that story?
@William: Your statement is correct, unless your Obama. Then Jops are the first priority and gay rights are the second. Remember this the next time you cast your vote.
yep they were just bored is why they shot up the blue truck the cops are a joke becarefuul they'll shot u in the back cowards
If they would enforce immigration laws they could cut that small list alone in half!!!!! Too bad the gov't is our worst enemy by not enforcing current laws all in the name of votes. Look at the people who have died just for votes!!!!!
The cops are a joke, how many vehicles did they shoot up looking for dorner. How much did that cost taxpayers!!!! Maybe if the cops did mental exams when they hired people they could get rid of some of these killers they provided with guns!!!! They might even go after the cops who are criminals, but then they all have a code. They rat on someone, they die. This is our police ladies and gentlemen!!!!! This is the people who are supposed to "protect and serve". Yeah right! Serve you tickets and abuse you as much as they can get away with!!!!!
Flores....another illegal immigrant "trying to make a better life for himself."
no need to keep repeating yourself...
Well, keeninsight, my ironically named friend, you neglect to mention that the two Hispanic women were driving at night, when the color of the van was not easily discernible, and that, for some inexplicable reason, they had their head lights off.
This doesn't justify the decision of the police to open fire. But it does explain why they might have viewed the vehicle with suspicion, and given Dorner's known proficiency with weapons, with fear as well.
But in answer to your question, that story has already been told. This story is about other "most wanted" fugitives. Try to keep up.
@ jw101, post 2.8
There are 11 million others that no one knows where they came from or what they have done in their past or what they are doing now. I hope our government is planning on getting a DNA sample on all of them before they let them be citizens. We don't need criminals of any kind hiding in the United States!
The the-cops-are-really-the-bad-guys faction is out in strength I see. How easy it is for them to ignore the first 2 victims ~ a newly engaged couple.
Dorner was not a nice guy trying to clean up the LAPD or a seeker of justice. He was an angry, frustrated killer. Whether or not there was even a shred of truth in his allegations, he was the one who eliminated any possibility of an unbiased review.
Dorner was no champion of the under-dog. At the least, he was a sociopath.
All white males (I am sure that they belong to the same political party) The ones that people would consider to "trusted" to take their daughters out on a date!!!!
They look clean, never mind that they are dirty as a sewer. People still go for looks!!!
Because, most newspaper delivery people deliver at very early hours in the morning they leave their lights off as to not disturb people.
JW 101, what does Flores' illegal status have anything to do with it? Killers are killers. Don't you notice that everyone on this list except Flores is white? You're implying that only illegals commit crimes. You're wrong coward.
The early reports from the Dorner Case were that there was a single shot and then the house caught fire. After the tape of the police chief saying "Burn it down" do they now say, "first there was a fire and then there was a single shot".
It is a scary world when you can't believe the people you are suppose to trust.
Atrocities done to any human being by a psychopath, should be hunted down Like; A Wild Animal That They ARE !!..make no special privileges to cop killers only..EVERYONE should get same privileges in; Horrendous Crimes for JUSTICE of victims.......
rlor24
Coward???? At least the white guys paid taxes.
the point being that the POS Flores should not have even been in this country. If he was never allowed here, that little girl wouldn't have died. By allowing this trash to wander around, the lack of enforcement has placed you, me, our families, etc at risk.
Americans aren 't stupid. There are many illegals that are killing Americans, committing crimes, molesting children, stealing I.D.'s, driving while drunk. They all aren't trying to go to college.
YOu'd better look those photos over one more time real good.
irespond
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/most_wanted_lists.cfm
Yep, all Caucasian and extremely good looking..<sarcasm off>
dman--these elderly women had turned off their headlights as a courtesy to their LA Times customers so as not to high beam them while they were working in their neighborhoods, a courtesy they were probably trained to provide and had operated by morning in and morning out. No doubt, if the police had used a loudspeaker and asked the women to halt and exit their van with their hands up, the women would have complied. But police just opened fire without giving them any orders or commands. That they are alive is a miracle.
My wondering where is this story, which seems to me to be more central to the Dorner manhunt than the FBIs top 15 list, calls into question the media's focus and its selection of which stories to tell. On the one hand, we have a timely story of what you yourself characterize of cops so fearful that they throw their training out the window and aim to execute anybody in a truck without question. Training and discipline are given to control those fears so that innocent people and people suspected but not proved of crimes are not summarily executed by the police. It seems to me that this is the more newsworthy story, not one that focuses on dangerous men who've eluded the police for decades.
Media lost its credibility when it agreed to stop covering this story and turned off its cameras during the final stages of manhunt. Instead of reported, they merely repeated what was told to them by authorities and thus became their official spokesmen. I have problems with propaganda.
People are so economically ignorant.
"Illegal" immigrants pay taxes, and do not receive the benefits, generally. They pay Social Security taxes but can't claim the benefits even if they stay here because they are not citizens. They pay sales taxes, property taxes, etc. These immigrants are nearly 11 times less likely to commit a crime, be arrested, or end up in prison as are natives (accounting for poputlation differences) of the most at-risk age. These Mexican immigrants are assimilating at the same 3 generation rate as most every other group in terms of language and literacy. They are not the most illiterate (that was the Italians), and they aren't the least skilled workers (that was the Irish). The slowest assimilation group was the Germans (some Amish stil speak Dutch German as first language).
"Illegal" immigrants add more to govt coffers than they take out (the "can't have open borders in a welfare state" statement is an economic myth), and they grow the economy more than they take from it. It is a well known economic fact that immigration (especialy low skilled immigration) is conducive to economic growth.
No one is for these murderers...but to act like "illegal" immigration is the problem is stupid (if not just racist).
I find it ironic that the people who profess to support free market economics (conservatives) are the ones against immigration. State regulation of immigration beyond harm (medical and criminal background checks), like quotas, are anti-free market! You cannot have a free market, or a free labor market specifically, if the government is determining immigration levels. The fact is, a free labor market is regulated by the market (hence, we have had negative net immigration since the collapse of the economy in 2008 - immigration is tied to employment rates and wage rates, NOT welfare availability).
If immigrants came here to commit crimes and suck off the welfare system, then under Obama (who made it easier than ever to get welfare) we would have had an increase in immigration levels, not a decrease. But we did have a decrease...because they are seeking to work overwhemingly, and when less jobs are available and wage rates aren't continuing to rise the immigrants leave more than they come (net negative immigration).
BTW...I'm not liberal/progressive. I'm a registered Republican by Party, and a libertarian by philosophy.
Support free market capitalism, economic growth, and natural negative inalienable individual rights - support open immigration policies.
In terms of the educated, only the lowest common denominator want any other immigration policy. It takes a lack of knowledge in economics and natural rights theory to want protectionism (closed borders in this case). And if you they aren't ignorant, they have to be racist...those are the only two reasons for xenophobia.
Thank you for another exampe of economic ignorance. Since you have the internet and the information you require is available to you for free, I further describe your problem as WILLFUL ignorance. It's perhaps the least attractive character flaw besides sociopathy.
OK, you've convinced me. I'll never vote for Obama again.
proindividual
You are incorrect
The illegals cause wages to be lowered. Once an illegal immigrant has a child in the U.S. (anchor baby) then ALL their children are eligible for benefits. You didn't mention the education and health care that are afforded them that their "under the table" jobs don't cover.
Are they beneficial?...yes, to businesses that pay them less while they let our tax dollars cover their health care, etc.
You also didn't mention that illegals are getting tax refunds by using their TIN (taxpayer identification number) and claiming the child tax credit. They also can claim worker's comp. There is no background on these people, and they have already proven they will break our laws, just by coming here. WE pay for the fraud they commit.
"The U.S. is locking up more illegal immigrants than ever, generating lucrative profits for the nation's largest prison companies, and an Associated Press review shows the businesses have spent tens of millions of dollars lobbying lawmakers and contributing to campaigns."
"The cost to American taxpayers is on track to top $2 billion for this year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57485392/ap-private-prisons-profit-from-illegal-immigrants/
As far as the "less illegals are coming, more are deported", you are incorrect again. Obama changed the accounting methods so when an illegal is turned away at the border, this is now counted as a deportation, whereas that wasn't the case previously.
These 11-20 million illegal immigrants will grow old and need assistance. Who will pay for them? They never paid taxes when they did landscaping, etc so American citizens will foot the bill. And many illegals take jobs that Americans would like to do (not all are fruit pickers) so they are adding to the unemployment woes. And employers will be forced to learn a foreign language for some jobs as the illegals are too lazy to learn ours.
Overall, they cause more trouble than they are worth. They weren't invited, they are greedy and they broke our laws.
Look up the Texas 10 most wanted for more details.
Pro-Individual - where are they paying SS taxes? SS taxes are tied to a Social Security number. When your employer sends those funds along with the Federal withholding taxes to the government they have to tie them to each individual Social Security number. If illegals are paying into the SS system, that must mean that they are using the SS# of someone else. That also means that they are stealing the identity of someone else. Property taxes and sales taxes are all local and only cover a small portion of the resources that they use everyday. There is a big difference between legal and illegal immigration. Legal immigrants are subject to the same taxes as a citizen. Illegal immigrants attempt to stay off the grid and are not subject to taxes as they are not documented.
I love how you like to claim that people who are against illegal immigration are against immigration. They are not for closed borders, they are for legal immigration with the laws that are already on the books being followed. We are all (even Native Americans) descendents of immigrants. The difference is that my family came into this country legally. They did everything that was asked of them and more. My grandfather (a German, by the way) worked his a** off to become a citizen. Sure they spoke their own language in their own communities but outside of their communities they learned the language and did not expect everything to be translated to their native language such as is happening now. They did not expect their children to speak their language in the home, they learned English from their children. My mother could not even speak German although she could understand some of it.
You can't help think, "What's the difference between these guys and Dorner"? Dorner was a cop who was seeking revenge on fellow cops. In other words, those that pose a threat to we common people, don't take priority over a disgrunteled cop who's out to kill other cops. Our lives are just as important as any cop. I think the underlying message in the article is that. What do others think?
Agree. Those listed only killed children,mothers, young girlfriends etc.... not cops.
There was no complete state law enforcement search or $1 million reward for them..so they are not caught yet.
Besides these five there are plenty of more wanted.
Just asking about these five, did you ever hear of them or why wanted, ever see a picture of them or know about them.. before reading this article?
I never did or most others in the nation never did ...they could of stepped on my foot and I would of never knew who they were!
Exactly. See my post at #1.8
Exactly accurate! We lowly civilians are here only to give them a job. Threaten or kill us and its,"oh we'll get you eventually" kill or threaten one of them and Theres a 1mil reward and police officers crossing jurisdictional lines to help hunt and KILL you RIGHT AWAY.
Call the cops about a bank robbery and the response is 2 minutes or less. If a regular citizen calls the response time is about 15 - 20 minutes. 4-5 years ago I seen a car in the prosess of being broken into and called the cops. By the time they got there the boys had broken into 3 more cars and stolen a 4th. Took them a good 15 minutes to get here ( and we have a substation less than 100yds away at the end of our DEADEND street!).
When my neighbor left his shelby in his driveway overnight and two men withtheir faces covered by a hanky, (just like, yess just like the old westerns), I went outside with my rotties and my shotty and chased them away. Less than 5 minutes later they were at my door wanting to confiscate a gun I told them I never had! Threatening ME with arrest for threatening bodily harm and a bunch of other BS.
When they later asked me why I didnt just call the police, I refferenced the previous event and they said its because they "have to prioritize" their calls and tht next time I should just leave it to the proffesionals.
I HATE COPS AND BELIEVE DORNER HAD ALREADY EXAUSTED ALL OTHER RECOURSES TO CLEAR HIS NAME! I dont believe his crimes were justified, but when you leave someone no recourse and no future you can expect drastic actions in retaliation! Just the fact he did this means he wasnt psycologically fit enough to be a police officer in the first place.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A COP BEING CAUGHT DOING SOMETHING COMPLETELY SELFLESS. EVERY TIME THEY ARE IN THE NEWS ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE CORRUPT OR BRAGGING. Did any of you see the photo of those two "TOUGH GUY" cops with their guns held across their chest and their "terminator"sunglasses on at dusk posing in the previous articles? What a bunch of little b!tch behind a badge they are. Take away their badge and guns and they are right back to the losers they were in highschool!
Couldn't agree more. The message there sending is pretty obvious. Cop killer means a huge manhunt costing hundreds of thousands of dollars and three innocent people nearly being slaughtered by the police in the process.
Civilian killer means their a "priority". Theirs likely one lead detective assigned to all of these cases with a bunch of paper pushers beneath him.
Clearly they have shown the vastly disproportionate value they place on human lives depending on weather there wearing a uniform or not.
I couldn't agree more. The cops will try like hell to arrest a homeowner who is protecting his property because it is easier than going after a criminal. They will arrest an old lady for firing a warning shot at criminals because she was afraid to kill them. Instead they will arrest her for illegally discharging a firearm, then try to take away her only means of self defense!!!!!!!!! They have NO common sense and they know it is easier to go after a law abiding taxpayer than a criminal. Thier chickensh!ts!!!!! They will lie to you about laws to get thier way. They will bully you to make thier point, even though they themselves know thier full of sh!t!!!! It's time to start weeding the bad cops out!!! When you know a cop is wrong, report them, not to thier own agency, but to a higher agency. If that doesn't work, sue them!!!!!
onlyyou, your deep hatred for the men in uniform is disturbing. These young men and women put their lives on the line day in and day out. Judging from your moniker, what have you done for anyone else besides get stupider bysmoking your brains out. You are a pathetic loser and I don't believe you went out of your house to stop a burglary. I imagine you coward behind your drapes like the pussy that you obviously are. You worthless bastards get more sickening day in and day out. I love mycountry a-holes.
jw101, there are 5 fugitives but you only seem to comment on the illegal. Us Indians think you are a worthless illegal and invader too.
Dorner's very first victims were civilians.
What about that fact is so difficult to understand? Does it need to put to you in pictures because the words are too big?
What about the other civilians on his hit list? Should he have been ignored and allowed to kill them as well because, after all, there are other killers to find? Maybe if those in this article rampage and reveal themselves a manhunt could be set up.
I'm a tax-payer. I don't want any of my tax dollars burnt to satisfy a bunch of malcontents with a grudge against police.
Jkatze I wholeheartly agree. The Dorner incident was an agrrevated and provoked situation that was stimu- lated by the sheer stripping away of Dorner's civil liberties leaving with no other alternative. Furthermore I am obsorbing the consistant use of the word "luck" in this article. That term is usually associated with witches and worlocks. Thes are anti-christ minded killers in uniform by all means with same mentality as Dorner. He died fighting for the only thing he he had to left to live for. . . his dignity. He wasn't fighting to live, but he was sacrificing his lfe for others that have to live behind them. He fought a good fight and he accomplished his mission leaving devastating trails of damage behind him. Even though him they will not bring back those that he killed nor ever get compensation for all the money they spent on his apprehen- ion and their will others that will continue and learn from Dorner's mistake. Nevertheless there are those that we we need to get out of our society. Some of these sick psychotics are saturated right within our law enforcement agencies. You will be quite amazed who we are paying to protect us.
ONLYYOU: #3.4
The minute you run off "I HATE COPS" it invalidates your entire post as far from objective.
Then I look at your avatar and wonder if "getting busted for breaking pot laws" factors into it.
How many arrests do you have? I got busted for speeding one time and was treated very respectfully.
When I was 19, a girl who I had broken up with three months prior was stabbed 25 times in a cafe robbery. Being an "ex-boyfriend" and having the appearance of a crime of rage...they picked me up for an interview. Again, I was treated respectfully.
Not relevent, but interesting. The first thing was to "look at my hands"...I figured to look for cuts. Found out later that the autopsy found a finger in her throat. We had broken up because she wanted to go ahead and get married and I wanted to wait for college. Have often thought if I said "Yes".....
Never seen a selfless act by a cop??????? Google: JEREMY HENWOOD/SAN DIEGO COP SHOT AT MCDONALD'S
Watch the video of the WHITE COP buying cookies for a BLACK BOY at McD's about 5 minutes before he was ambushed and shot dead sitting in his patrol car.
Then google TERRY WILLIAM BENNETT, who I knew personally. He was the nicest guy and would do anything for anyone.
He was run down in a vehicle chase by a suspect avoiding capture...ran right over his mortorcycle and crushed him into a wall.
BTW: A substation on a deadend street....nieghbor's shelby....you having courage...chasing burglers....
You do a lot of pot-induced fantasy posting, don't you?
Total dickwad.
Cop killers have always been a priority for law enforcement and for good reason. To kill another human being is a vile, horrendous act. To kill a cop is worse. A cop is a symbol of government authority, a symbol of law and order. Law enforcement officials are licensed by our society to protect the citizenry and maintain civic order.
To kill a law enforcement official is akin to attacking society itself. If a person would kill a cop, who would this person not kill? A cop killer is a dangerous individual that deserves top priority.
Man, your whole post is a joke!! You have got to be a cop....
No way would I put catching a cop killer more important than catching an @!$%# who slit the throats of a mother and her two daughters!!!
No @!$%#ing way!!
Glen, I agree 100% with your post.
Looks like Sean Penn and Matt Damon...
hey tim, his 1st victims were civilians. You must have missed it.
Where is the evidence he killed the captains daughter and fiance in the car? When was he convicted of that crime? Why would be be so polite to the other people he encountered, when he is supposed to e famous for killing people right and left ? And, his manifesto... is that the full uncut version? funny how things are so conveniently avoided in mainstream media discussion. I wonder if the officers that shot up the paper woman/grandma in the truck were the same officers that found the captains dead daughter and fiance in the car....Funny how mainstream media is now comparing him to other murderers in their public smear and distraction campaign. It gets so sickingly predictable after a while... poor humanity. Look at the nice big yacht in New York harbour. We have evolved to another level of mere serfdom.
I wonder how much time, resources, emphasis, etc. law enforcement agencies have spent trying to locate these five as compared to finding Dorner....
Dorner was a spree killer who vowed to keep killing. You and others seem to suggest that the cops should for some reason not made this a priority? Hogwash.
You've got to be a cop!
mo,
Are you aware that Dorner's first two victims were a young civilian couple? Of course not. Your blind hatred prevents you from seeing clearly.
She was the daughter of a cop spikey, don't twist it!!!
"twist it"? She was innocent of any wrong doing!! JEEESH! In your mind it is OK to murder any family member of anyone who this POS disliked? How about a two year-old?
How many innocent children have been burned to death in this country since by this government simply be- cause of their nationality or color of their skin??? They claim to be a christian nation. Does christianity sug-gest that premeditated murder for these reasons is justifiable??? This so-called under God has a lot to an- swer for and if the scriptures are right law enforcement and this government has God given package in the lay-way and it will be delivered soon. Their guns and armor and physical might will be of no benefit to them.
Who and when was he actually convicted of that crime (killing the captains daughter and the other young man)? Where is the evidence? Who collected the evidence, the same cops that shot up a truck grandmother and daughter with like 50 bullets before burning a man alive in a home? the ones that shoot first and ask questions later... they are the ones that collected evidence and convicted him of the murder of the captains daughter & fiance? I know... crazy idea that cops would hurt, entrap, plant evidence, kill, cheat or lie, etc....
Sounded like the only people that encountered the wild murderer stated very clearly he made it clear not to worry and tried to calm them telling them he was not going to hurt them. Sounds very different to the demon in the media who is suppose to have been a cold hearted killer of innocent by-standards....
Making it a priority is fine. But cops as far as the eye can see is overkill at the taxpayers expense. I'd like to see the man hours and resources spent on this case as opposed to these five guys. They could have sent the overkill out to confiscate those 39,000 arms in the hands of known California felons and mental cases. They can't afford to enforce the existing laws and remove guns from a fraction of gun owners who shouldn't have them, but they want to make new laws to to take them off everybody who's entitled to own them.
If they can afford all of that I don't see why they cannot make taking firearms from felons a priority. Enforce the existing laws before trying to pass new laws, that even the people who are proposing them admit will make no difference. I just think if you haven't got the money to do your job correctly you should be more careful of how you use the resources you do have.
wow I didn't know Matt Damon and Sean Penn were fugitives.
Obviously Jason Brown has been hiding as Glenn Close all this time. Too bad nobody wants to see Glenn Close or they would have figured it out a long time ago. Clever strategy really...
Brian- A very weird, funny and yet astute observation. Nobody has thought of that. But you did...
There are smart criminals and there are stupid criminials. Dorner was a stupid criminal. Olympic park bomber Eric Rudolph escaped capture for almost six years. Unibomber Ted Kaczinski continued to murder people for 18 years before being caught.
All criminals could be put in the "stupid" category, I believe Dorner went wrong when his truck gave out on him. After all I think they said quite a bit of weapons/ammo, and survival gear was left behind, I guess he couldn't carry it all. In my opinion, If his axle wouldn't have broken, this could be a different story, and I don't mean a different story of him killing more, but getting away.
The two you listed above, as I recall, didn't kill any cops. Different situation with Dorner. You ever notice when an "officer down/shot" goes out over the radio, your best bet is to park your car if you're driving. I've seen cops running the 'wrong side" of highways, going against traffic on one way streets, running stop signs, red lights, nothing stops these animals when you touch one of "theirs."
Better do some research. The unibomber’s first victim was a cop. Rudolph killed a cop less than six months after the Olympic park bombing.
jobseeker, facts aren't important to some of these posters. It gets in the way of their hysterical hatred of something. Their comments are generally as inaccurate as the media they complain about.
" Ted Kaczinski continued to murder people for 18 years before being caught." That was because for 18 years they didn't even know who the Unibomber was. Remember when all they had was a drawing of a hooded white guy with sun glasses. A killer like Ted Kaczinski or any killer who kills people they don't know and chooses their victims randomly is the most dangerous and hard to catch. Remember it was Kaczinski's manifesto that got him caught. And it was his own brother who turned him in when he recognizes the crazy writing in the manifesto was similar to letters he received from his brother. If not for that he might still be at large.
Moshu, did you just call America's finest animals. What a Douche Bag!
Terry Marker, University Police Officer "Minor cuts and burns" Has no authority off university grounds....Apples and Oranges
Hugh Scrutton, computer store owner Death (first fatality)...
Thomas J. Mosser, advertising executive Death (second fatality)...
Gilbert P. Murray, timber industry lobbyistDeath (third fatality)...
An abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama on January 29, 1998, killing Birmingham police officer and part-time clinic security guard Robert Sanderson, In the capacity of "security guard."
Chuck, just because cops will kill you for no apparent reasons is really no need to fear them. Lots of them run with the "animal" mentality. Can't you at least be man enough to admit that? How many times have you seen news reports, or videos showing/telling of how a suspect is handcuffed, and a pack of animals (cops) beat the @!$%# out of them? I mean come on, how tough do you have to be to handcuff someone, and get 4, 5 of your buddies to help you kick the @!$%# out of them? Tough guys, huh? But no, you sound subservient, see cop, ready to piss your pants.
moshu, I am more man than you'll ever live to be. Policemen do not scare me you ignorrant jackass. I happen to be related to one and he is an outstanding young man, better human being than your sorry ass. I know there are a few that give the rest a bad name but for the most part most are honest and courageous. Your blind hate for all of them is appalling. By your comments, The only thing you are an expert at is stupidity. What's with the avatar, you are no f-ing Indian.
By the way you speak about officers, I think you are the one that is ready to piss on his pants when you see one embicile.
Why is Jason Derek Brown on this list?? I realize he killed someone, but it was a robbery/murder. I guess they couldn't find a gang-banger on the run for multiple murders to spotlight.
And yeah, Daniel Hiers is the spitting image of Matt Damon. Hope they arrest Matt Damon soon, if not for murder, for making sucky movies.
Ok I question if any of these new gun laws would do anything to stop these killers from carrying out their crimes probably not. why isn't are government going after people like this and the people that supply the illegal guns,drugs and gangs. that will take the illegal guns off the street. the list of new gun laws is just a band aide over a larger problem and the new gun laws actually probably hurt honest citizens who need to protect them self against people like these 5
This is deja vu all over again for the lefties. It's been 18 years since they cheered for OJ.
I hope you never find a job, continue as one of the 47% your buddy does not like!!
moshu,
I'd compare my employment record with yours any day. Care to duel?
@JobSeeker, man, quit drinking the kool-aid if you can't handle it. It's deja vu all over again for the low informed GOP base. There, fixed your stupid comment.
I understand why the cops get upset when someone kills a fellow cop. They, the cops, are really what is standing between the honest and dishonest people. I know it may sound like I am defending them, and in a way I am, but yet, some of them are just as bad as the dishonest people.
I realize that every day a cop goes to work, it very well could be his last day, period. It's not the most dangerous job, but it is dangerous. And if one FBI agent in every field office is looking for the FBI's list of most wanted, and the DC office has all the tools to use, it makes me wonder if the FBI has any useful tools?
What is the longest a person has been on the FBI, or for that matter, the Marshal's most wanted list? If it's more than 2 yrs, then maybe someone needs to find a new job?
Longest time on FBI most wanted list:
sallyann, It's so easy to question why some of these people haven't been caught when you don't know how it works. Some have left the country making it harder to track them. You forget these people committed their crime and now don't want to be found. Dorner was leaving a trail of dead bodies and his burned out truck. He didn't commit his crime and then go underground. We are talking about 2 different type criminals here.
Also many of those people on the list have the kind of contacts with other criminal types to give them assistance. Dorner had no such contacts.
sallyann, why don't you apply for a position in law enforcement, maybe with your extensive experience in tracking down criminals, you should clear the list up within days if not weeks, wouldn't you say? I have a better idea, why don't you go back to your Soap Operas or your "The Bachelor show"?
US Army Infantry, Retired, SFC, 34+ Years.
And before any idiot attempts to go there, just because I'm retired Infantry, does not mean I have to kiss the ass of cops. When I did retire I was recruited for LE work, but I didn't care to be part of their corruption, or the blatant racism I seen in their departments, from large cities, to small communities. My retirement is doing VERY well.
It's always been that way. You kill a cop or someone with money and they go to the ends of the earth to catch the bad guys.
Exactly, and even "someone with money" gets a FREE ride on the taxpayers for that ride!!!
Law enforcement failed to prevent the murders...now they can't apprehend the murderers...however law enforcement never receives the accountability for their failures...fire 75% of all law enforcement in the US and nobody would notice any difference in crime rates...
Yes, just like George Bush and the Republicans failed to stop Osama from killing 2900 Americans on American soil after Clinton told Bush that the US was in eminent danger. Why didn't Bush stop this horrifying incident from happening? Where is the accountability for this gigantic failure?
Why was that Bush's problem? That happened in NYC which always votes democrat...seems Bush was smart to ignore the situation...
Well Coopster if Clinton knew so much why didn't HE take care of him when he was in office?
Now to get back ON topic. I'm confused about Robert William Fisher, it says he slit their throats then blew up the house, but then it says he shot his wife in the head. So did he shoot her and slit her throat? Or did he shoot her and slit the kids' throats? Grrrr I hate when there isn't clarification.
No matter how you Republicans twist it, 911 happened on Bush and the Republicans watch not a Democrats.
And no matter now liberals twist it the national debt happened on Obama's watch not Bush's watch...
Off topic, but the national debt was increased 185% in Reagan's watch and 85% on Bush's. Stop watching Fox, that theramin is interfering with the signals on your tin foil hat.
You're a rotten nectarine...nothing coming out of you but a real bad odor...
I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, so that kind of blows your preconceived notion out of the water, I didn't vote for Bush either. I was just simply making an observation.
I do noticed when ever someone mentions the awful things Obama is doing to this country, all the lefties associate his actions with those committed by some of the worst villains in the history of our planet making him also one of the worst. How dumb is that?
Vote Ron Paul!
this is what i thought all the time. chasing Dorner was a freak show they cost peoples lives they shot Innocent people and cost California a lot of money . why don't they do this for all fugitives if they are going to do it the way they done this one. it was ridiculous and the people in charge should be fired. and the funeral of the officer that was killed the one presenting the flag to his wife has his gun on. at the funeral what the hell for. these people are the problem the way they act. seems like they don't have any common sense at all.
tony, you expose a lack of knowledge on the subject. When there is a trail to follow you follow it. If the trail ends you can't follow it anymore. You work to develope a new trail to follow.
The first part of your comment makes no sense. The police had a trail to follow. Are you suggesting they shouldn't have followed? That they just let him go?
As far as the officer at the funeral with his service weapon on. They all wear their weapons to all funerals or public events. It's part of the uniform. Your comment is just stupid.
tony,I think it's you that has no common sense. Officer was in uniform which includes his weapon.
Mamie Gummer is the daughter of actress Meryl Streep is the spiting image of Jason Derek Brown. She also just recently played (Emily Owen MD) on the CW.
still say Glenn Close and we had a Sean Penn nomination too.
Pretty sure I saw these guys over on Wallstreet. Investigate over there for a while and see what you turn up...
They forgot Dick Cheney.
and George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld...
OK news reporters here is your chance at a lot of good stories get in there and start investigating. i bet you will turn up a whole lot of things on these people that have anything to do with this Dorner fiasco . we are going to hear about this story for a long time to come.
Dorner is the poster boy for Obama's gun campaign...
Several things.. Dorner killed law enforcement officers, or relatives of them. He supposedly had a "Assualt Rifle", so they were after him "Top priority". These others killed family members or relationship partners. So not on the top list by LE. and they did not use a "Assualt Rifle". So maybe one day we will spot or go after them, attitude.
Bill, of course the fact Dorner was leaving a trail of dead of wounded people to follow didn't have anything to do with it. Police had something to go on.
The rest of your comment is even more nonsense.
Did anyone see Columbia University professor Dr. Lamont Hill on CNN this week? Of course, he is a very liberal person. He said, "Dorner is like a super hero to me. This is exciting."
Lamont less than a thrill, he is a doctor, yea right. That guy has a 4th grade education and can just about put two sentences together. Just another liberal progressive Dumbocrat, living off the productive sector of the country. I wouln't put to much stock in anything he says.
These case of men on the run who live almost forever rarely hit the media. Only when 200 cops armed to the teeth taking out one guy do we see any news. Just goes to show you all the cops, FBI, TSA, ATF etc in must cases can't catch a cold or for that matter prevent crime or protect you. Kind of like their fellow union members the teachers, who do anything but teach our childern anything of value.
Army, thanks for the less then intelligent comments.
If you don't know anything about some of those peopleon the list it's because you didn't pay attention. I had heard of some of them. Also those other people didn't declare war on something and named targets to kill. They are a different criminal. They committed their crime and didn't want to be found. Some left the country.
Your comment that law enforcement can't catch a cold is just plain ignorant.
Your catching on regarding preventing crime or protecting citizens. That's an impossibility.The best they can do is make it tough on the bad guy to commit crimes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is dense.
Paul you must be one of the thin blue liner right? My point is that your unions constantly want more phat stacks of cash for you and your buds. And you do it by saying more cops, more dogs, more fire power will keep me safe. When in fact you know deep down inside you don't prevent crime, most of the peeps you catch are dopes, and the smart one, well they never get caught.
Army, all these criminals have been profiled on America's Most Wanted at least once if not more. Extremely sick individuals to say the least.
If you compare the goals of the these 5 men, they weren't after a cause, they were after money or some self gratifying goal. It was all self drive for personal gain. One may think that of Donner. Donner however sought to be a martyr and wanted to go out in a fury to make a statement, he set the stage to do so. These other guys would never do what Donner did. It's not to condon Donner's actions, it is that they are different, with different goals. Also, I don't hear that any of them served in any military. They are basically self serving and will kill anyone to do so. Donner let the cabin owners and dog walker go. These killers only serve the self and wouldn't let anyone go. Donner had a mission, these other guys are in the class of killers much lower. If there is a class of killers.
One of those five guys is Sean Penn...and law enforcement can't find him???
can anyone tell me how tall fisher is and color of hair.I have seen a person that looked homeless walking along south milton rd. that had the kind of walk they say fisher had this person was about 6'5" or so with with a vary dark beard and long hair.His walk made him stand out.