More people have been deported during President Obama's term than any other president. Get your facts straight.

ALL law enforcement and government officials signed an oath to "UPHOLD THE LAWS" of our nation and to decide which ones to enforce a little or others to enforce alot !

this is the MAIN reason the american people get frustrated, If your going to uphold the law. It has to be the same everytime, when its applied different than ACLU and the like, sue for discrimination !

More people have been deported during President Obama's term than any other president. Get your facts straight.

nope, they are merely counted different, for instance those who are turned back at the boarders are included as many others that never were before. Get your facts from somewhere other then first read.....Google it.

pasco native : though the deportation NUMBERS are high, what you failed to get your facts straight is the same people getting deported more than once. they get deported and are caught the same week in the same place.

I live in san diego and a family of 4 was deported 22 times in a 10 month period and was finally deported on a plane to Guatemala and that stopped them for a few months..The catch a release program is a failure and its only for pumping up the statistics...

Lets just get rid of all our God Damned laws! No more laws regarding anything. This selective enforcement bull $hit is going to result in all manner of trouble.

The Obama administration has not deported more people than any other administration, they just changed the way it is counted to make it look that way. In the past, people caught illegally crossing the border and immediately turned back were not counted. Obama changed that so that these people get counted as being deported even though they have never been through a formal deportation hearing. The administration did this to snow people into thinking that Obama is being tough as a means to try and get support for his amnesty plans. The reality is that the Obama administration is deporting far fewer people than past administrations. This administration has created far too many of these limbo cases where the people are here illegally and under a deportation order but are being allowed to remain here illegally through a deliberate non-enforcement of the order. This is garbage. Obama is violating his oath the uphold our constitution and laws. Every law enforcement official who goes along with these non-enforcement edicts is also violating their oaths as law enforcement officers. Every one of them should be thrown out of their jobs for a failure to fulfill those oaths.

this is the MAIN reason the american people get frustrated, If your going to uphold the law. It has to be the same everytime, when its applied different than ACLU and the like, sue for discrimination !

I disagree. Special circumstances require special considerations. I think that's what our judicial system is for. To interpret the law and what the law was trying to accomplish and to make sure it doesn't break the guidelines set forth in our constitution.

JS in SD;

You're so full of lies it's unbelievable. Absolutely nothing in what you're written is true. I suppose you work for the GOP and get paid well.

Moderate in madison:

Try this - dickhead.

Pasco Native

More people have been deported during President Obama's term than any other president.

Wrong. More people may have left during Obama's term ..... principally due to Obama's economy.

ALL law enforcement and government officials signed an oath to "UPHOLD THE LAWS" of our nation and to decide which ones to enforce a little or others to enforce alot !

So why aren't the police also arresting jaywalkers, people who spit on the sidewalk, or drivers traveling more than one mile an hour over the speed limit? After all, all laws are equal, and not enforcing every occurrence of even the smallest infraction is a violation of that oath, right?

I guess from now on when a criminal breaks the law they can run to the nearest church and claim "sanctuary"

...."the bells...the bells.....argggghhhh!!!"

Reading the article I see that there is a big difference between these people and the people that are illegally crossing the boarders. In the past and even today (although it is not published) churches have sheltered people that found it dangerous to go home because of religious persecution. The government has given people asylum for years because of the danger of returning back home. The difference is these people are in danger of persecution and death, the people coming over the boarder are breaking the law coming into this nation, breaking the law again by working under false identity, and then breaking the law by returning after be deported.

Let's see. It will soon be illegal for American citizens to drink a soft drink larger than 16 ounces,use salt on their fries and own certain types of firearms. But it's OK to break into the country illegally and have the very people sworn to enforce our immigration laws let you get away with it. Guess I'll only be able to enjoy that "Big Gulp" drink and side of french fries while sitting in a church. You cant make this stuff up.

I wish the authors of these immigrant stories would refer to them as "illegal immigrants". We're not allowed to deport immigrants, just the illegal ones. Most illegals don't have much to worry about with the politicians we have today. If we ever get someone in who will honor their oath of office the illegals will be in big trouble.

I would like to know how the building department allowed them to live in a church - it is not a residence...they should have got them on a building code violation and deported them - you cannot sleep in a church (legally)

happy42xxx: -you cannot sleep in a chuch (legally)

Now that's thinking outside the box! But hey,they broke the immigration law,so what's a little building code or even a heath code violation?

Happy; And furthermore they should have arrested the preacher. I don't think it's a good idea to release any Indonesians into our streets without an interview with Homeland Security.

Sorry Bryan

Under Obama when someone is turned back at the Boarder it IS now counted as Deportation. Just a numbers game BS.

All they have to do is say their name is Jose and your in.

obama only deported those that caused crime...that being a fact ...he should deport all illeagals before the rest cause crimes ....every one of them all ready committed a crime ...they are here illegally...11million is what our government says are living here illegal...these 11 million ....doubt that number is not correct ....look at the sourse...came here with nothing...and are now taking jobs from our graduates,our people and our government(tax dollars)...these people did nothing to build this country...you take 11 million off your dinner plate ,you'll have a meal...you take 11 mill out of the work force you have jobs....you take 11 million hands away that are reaching out to the government,you might get this country back in working order....lol don't we wish...deporting is cheaper than supporting...for those naaa sayers...THERE IS A PROPER AND LEGAL WAY TO BECOME A PART OF THIS COUNTRY...if your heart bleeds for these people move them in your home ,they are already in your pocket....HAPPY TAX PAYING

happy42xxx,

you cannot sleep in a church (legally)

People do it here every Sunday. So far they are only getting "rested" not "arrested."

Law enforcement of every type make decisions every day to not enforce the letter of the law. Whether it is NOT stopping every person driving 56mph+ on an interstate clearly posted for 55mph, not arresting the teenagers who run across the street in the middle of the block, the local sheriff who decides NOT to arrest the woman who uses her husband's guns to shoot at intruders when she does not have a FOID, or even the ICE deciding not to arrest and deport persons who do not have "papers" saying they can CURRENTLY be in the US, the decisions are made every day.

While some people feel that getting rid of all the non-white people is to be of the highest priority, some people realize that immigrants are what make this country great.

"they overstayed their tourist visa and missed the deadlines to file for Asylum". That is certainly not the America you were raised in. You and I were both raised in an America of freedom and acceptance, but with personal responsibility and accountability. That is the part that your are missing here. We are granting asylum and immunity to people that not only have ignored the law for years, but accept no personal responsibility for it and are not held accountable for doing so. As Americans, do we grant asylum to all who are persecuted for practicing their religions (sunni, shiite..etc.) or only Christians?

MMC(SS)

I do believe we should grant asylum to anyone persecuted for practicing their religion, be it Muslim, Hinduism, Orthodox, etc.

Are you sure they purposely ignored the law for years? What if they were unaware that they had to re-apply for visa's or that the one's they were issued ran out? I know ignorance is not a defense, but I think it is important to realize intent. Were they purposely not re-applying to hide something, or was it a simple case as they were unaware.

@ Cult - Americans don't get to use the excuse, "they were unaware of the law." Why should Illegals get to use that excuse? If they fled to America to escape religious persecution, they had to do some fact finding to decide America would be the place to go. If they were serious about stayingin the US, they would have done what it takes to do so legally, not expect the laws to bend to their laziness. I'm pretty disappointed the Church has chosen to help these people break the law. Helping them wade their way through the immigration process is OK. Helping them break the law, no. Oddly enough, I don't see any of those Liberals who are always dissing on Religion posting about this. Funny about that selective disdain.......Religion is OK when it is in line with your Liberal mindset. Hypocrites.

Liberal wont dis about asylum for religion due to fact the over riding trump card is infringement of your right to believe what ever you want. If funny you see it selective disdain and any rational person see it as freedom .

That's the point Deebo - the Liberals dis on Christians in this country calling them stupid, racist, and bigoted and believers in fantasy/fairy tales. But let an Illegal believe in those same things and use that as an excuse to remain in the country illegally and it is perfectly OK.

TO BE LIBERAL: TO be broad minded, to be tolerant of different views and standards in behavior in others.

Taken from Bing Dictionary.

Your missing the point over all. You may have to discuss or take a teasing on your belief or your political opinion but in the end result your fairy tale religion is your right and must be protected. As long your fairy tale doesn't infringe on others as well. That crosses the line.

Repeatedly we have these "broad minded" Liberals dissing on anyone, politically or otherwise who is not lock step with their thinking. Usually by bullying and emotional rhetoric, (and let's not forget deflection) not facts. They show little to no tolerance of views that are not their own, hence why I'm calling hypocrite.

This is a classic example. Obamacare and the President are forcing religious organizations to provide abortion and contraception without cost sharing, infringing on the right of the religious organization to provide care in line with their belief system. The govt. is saying their belief is wrong. (Where's that tolerance at?) Yet this church is breaking the law, housing Illegals, and that's just fine. Since many Liberals have zero problems with Illegals breaking the law, it is OK for the Church to help them break the law. Illegals should not have rights and privileges actual Americans don't. Just like showing ID. As far as I'm concerned, if you are pulled over, you need to show ID. Illegals should not get a pass on that. The same treatment for all. They chose to enter this country in violation of the known laws, they choose the risk and the consequences.

were you born in the outhouse out back of the church...kountryking

On behalf of all compassionate people everywhere, including Pres Obama, "You're welcome".

I know you'll be overcome emotion at that, so here's a hanky.

culheath, its not compassion if you use other people's money. Then its called theft and bribery.

I hear you, but note that many churches in the 1980s helped shelter Nicaraguan and El Salvadoran refugees from Reagan's acts of terrorism. But I don't think they publicized that fact otherwise the refugees almost certainly would have been deported.

do you know the process for asylum? It is irresponsible to comment on something that you don't know about.

Barry-NJ,

Christian churches have been regarded as places of sanctuary since at least the 4th. century AD. I think the practice may come from the Old Testament idea of Cities of Refuge. In ancient Israel there were certain cities that were set aside to which a person who had committed unintentional murder could flee to escape vengeance from his victim's relatives. As long as he remained within the walls of that city, he was safe, but he had to remain there until the death of the High Priest upon which he could leave without fear of vengeance. Christian churches have served as a similar place of refuge from the law for illegal immigrants fleeing persecution, political dissenters, draft dodgers, and others for centuries. The practice varies from country to country, though, and is decreasing in modern times.

Yeh, ASTEROID.....let's just open the Floodgates and let them all in.....and sort it out later. If you Liberal idiots had your way we would do just that......then you could cry later that we are "over-populated" and thus "killing the environment"... you idiots are disgusting with your inability to see any further than the end of your busybody noses...all yap, no answers. So STFU.

let's just open the Floodgates and let them all in

If it in anyway would crowd out the right wing nativist voices, I'd say do it today.

Yeh, ASTEROID.....let's just open the Floodgates and let them all in.....and sort it out later. If you Liberal idiots had your way we would do just that......then you could cry later that we are "over-populated" and thus "killing the environment"... you idiots are disgusting with your inability to see any further than the end of your busybody noses...all yap, no answers. So STFU.

Why not just stop all immigration? After all, they're just a bunch of filthy foreigners who are polluting our pure American culture with elements from other parts of the world. Why do we need that? We know we're the only culture worth existance.

Well, Sev, we ARE the culture that most of the world wants to join...just as long as they can keep their own culture too.

If the feds kicked in the door of a (christian) church and dragged people out - you bet the cries from the right would drown out the so-called "Liberal idiots".

You can be very much against illegal immigration and still recognize and respect the sanctity of a house of worship and the traditions and ancient laws of asylum.

You can be very much against illegal immigration and still recognize and respect the sanctity of a house of worship and the traditions and ancient laws of asylum.

Why does a church have "sanctity"? Being in this country illegally is a secular/civil matter, not one of religion. "Traditions and ancient laws of asylum" are just that .. ancient tradition. They are not true laws.

I have nothing against immigration. In fact, it should be expanded and reformed so that we're admitting people who bring in-demand skills and capital to this country. Immigration helps to keep this nation vibrant and dynamic. I just have a problem with people who think that they can jump the line. The article said that these nine people overstayed their tourist visas and then missed the deadline for applying for asylum. If they are true refugees, they would've applied the moment they arrived.

Barry-NJ - I just have a problem with people who think that they can jump the line.

One big problem is that the US very rarely grants political asylum to refugees from its allies, and Indonesia is an ally - just as were Guatemala and El Salvador during the Reagan era.

This article has a good rundown on the complexity of the problem:

http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=384

It is estimated that between 1981 and 1990, almost one million Salvadorans and Guatemalans fled repression at home and made the dangerous journey across Mexico, entering the United States clandestinely. Thousands traveled undetected to major cities such as Washington, DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, New York, and Chicago. However, thousands were also detained at or near the Mexico-US border.

The Reagan administration regarded policy toward Central American migrants as part of its overall strategy in the region. Congress had imposed a ban on foreign assistance to governments that committed gross violations of human rights, thus compelling the administration to deny Salvadoran and Guatemalan government complicity in atrocities. Immigration law allowed the attorney general and INS officials wide discretion regarding bond, work authorization, and conditions of detention for asylum seekers, while immigration judges received individual "opinion letters" from the State Department regarding each asylum application. Thus the administration's foreign policy strongly influenced asylum decisions for Central Americans.

Characterizing the Salvadorans and Guatemalans as "economic migrants," the Reagan administration denied that the Salvadoran and Guatemalan governments had violated human rights. As a result, approval rates for Salvadoran and Guatemalan asylum cases were under three percent in 1984. In the same year, the approval rate for Iranians was 60 percent, 40 percent for Afghans fleeing the Soviet invasion, and 32 percent for Poles.

So the reality is that unless you're a refugee from a country which the US opposes you're very unlikely to be granted political asylum.......and you're exposing yourself to almost certain deportation (and torture, death or imprisonment) by applying for asylum.

because church goers don't know any better....i bet they still believe in Santa Clause,that was drilled into their heads...there is no Santa...there is no Peter Cottontail and there is no GOD...its all brainwash bull hockey...if there was ever a GOD,he has more faults than all of us...get off your butts and get outside...take a good look...all i see is wrong...this so called GOD made a big mess

So the reality is that unless you're a refugee from a country which the US opposes you're very unlikely to be granted political asylum.......and you're exposing yourself to almost certain deportation (and torture, death or imprisonment) by applying for asylum.

@Skrekk ... I guess the question is whether the standards for asylum from allied countries are too tight or if the standards for other countries are too loose. I think that in many instances, the standards are too loose. Are Christians persecuted everywhere in Indonesia, or just in certain provinces, for instance? Can they avoid the persecution and discrimination by moving to a larger city in the same country? And, if the persecution is systemic and historical, are they really deserving of "asylum", or should they just be emigrating to another country just as many Jews emigrated to the US to avoid European and Russian persecution? I think that asylum should be reserved for individuals at risk for specific acts (speaking out against their government, for instance).

http://www.unesco.org/new/en/social-and-human-sciences/themes/international-migration/glossary/asylum-seeker/

Asylum seekers are people who move across borders in search of protection, but who may not fulfil the
strict criteria laid down by the 1951 Convention. Asylum seeker describes someone who has applied for protection as a refugee and is awaiting the determination of his or her status. Refugee is the term used to describe a person who has already been granted protection. Asylum seekers can become refugees if the local immigration or refugee authority deems them as fitting the international definition of refugee.
The definition of asylum seeker may vary from country to country, depending on the laws of each country. However, in most countries, the terms asylum seeker/asylee and refugee differ only in regard to the place where an individual asks for protection. Whereas an asylum seeker asks for protection after
arriving in the host country, a refugee asks for protection and is granted this protected status outside of the host country.

Barry-NJ - I guess the question is whether the standards for asylum from allied countries are too tight or if the standards for other countries are too loose.

Correct, my only points were that it's inherently a political process strongly influenced by the administration's agenda, and that true political refugees often have very good reasons not to formally seek asylum in their adopted country.

I don't know the details on these Indonesian cases or whether they truly have merit (I rather doubt it), but I was peripherally involved in an informal resettlement network in Wisconsin for Nicaraguan refugees during the 1980s. In the early 80s the people we dealt with would likely have been killed by the Contras if they had returned home, and almost certainly deported if they had applied for asylum here. After 1986 or 1987 when the US support for the Contras ended the refugee population shifted almost exclusively to economic refugees who opposed the Sandinistas - and no surprise at all that the administration started granting many more asylum requests.

Nothing wrong with the picture....it's Oblatherers' "non-solutions" and Idiotic illogical childlike ideologies that make the picture look like it was created by monkeys throwing schit at a wall.

Well IA.Scooter Tramp, you're full of criticism (mostly unwarranted) but I don't see you offering any alternative solutions.

Please explain all your claims of polocies that have been in place for numerous administrations have proved "detrimental".

Wow Moderate...what an intelligent, mature response. What are you, in third grade?

Hey Scooter doesn't congress have a part in any of the things you are saying ? Obama is not the king like you think ..... I would vent my anger at the do nothing congress .... just saying.

congoman ... too many people actually believe their own rhetoric about Obama being king/dictator/(fill in the blank). They forget that, domestically, the president is relatively weak and that Congress really controls most things (if not directly, then indirectly with its budget powers).

Oh poor you! Get real will you.

Long Arm is spot on. I personally know of a legal immigrant from Japan (yes Virginia, there are legal immigrants....you just have to believe in them) who was denied a visa extension because she held two jobs

on the other hand...if you happen to sneak across the border from Mexico under cover of darkness...you get a free bus ticket to the welfare/food stamp office and lifetime membership in La Raza!

Everyone has rights in America except the Americans who pay for everyone else to live their life while those americans are working

Too true. And MikeO76's response is typical of the offenders and those whom care nothing for what's right and what's wrong.

Let me guess Mike your a Dem with no job living on welfare, foodstamps and umenployment

You mean like Christians in the United States by the Liberal Anti-Christ Bobble-Head creeps???

Keep posting Moderate, you keep sounding dumber and dumber. Tell me one example of Christians being persecuted in the United States. Wow, "Liberal Anti-Christ Bobble-Head creeps"! Did you think up that clever little phrase all by yourself?

Mike,

I believe Moderate's not too keenly referring to the atheistic monopoly the so called "liberals" have tried to foist on the "faithful". I'm a wiccan. I could care less - but that's MY RIGHT.

Many public school districts across our nation do not allow their staff to wear Christian jewelry as it offend students of other faiths. Is that persecution enough for you?

No.... But you might have a case when they hang you in the school yard for the jewerly.

Why America? Because we have all those lovely give away programs: free public education, housing, medical, cash, food stamps. Here in Washington State we give free (state funded) daycare to illegals so they can work under the table.

Many public school districts across our nation do not allow their staff to wear Christian jewelry as it offend students of other faiths. Is that persecution enough for you?

Unless the prohibition applies ONLY to Christians, it isn't persecution, just a dress code.

Obviously you don't understand the difference between crime severances . So you think spitting on the side walk is the same as murder or robbing a bank.

Question: what is the maximum punishment for entering the U.S illegally. You research that question and maybe, just maybe you might understand more that in the eyes of the law its called a criminal act but its not treated nor trialed like anything else you would do illegally. In fact its mainly only the media and fat head politician's that call it a crime.

contradict yourself much? illegal means against the law means criminal means a crime has been committed...Obviously you're the one that doesn't understand

and it's Federal, not state! You know the big ones...

I have lived in a number of other countries. Never went in against their laws. In fact, once I had to spend a lot of money to leave and reapply because I had the wrong info on which type of visa I needed. DID NOT BREAK THAT COUNTRY'S LAWS.

Also in two countries, I did not have the legal right to work, so even though I was offered teaching jobs while there, I declined. I DID NOT BREAK THOSE COUNTRIES' LAWS AND REGULATIONS.

My husband is from another country. He made an application to immigrate, had to wait a long time for paperwork. Came in as a tourist to be with us, when that visa expired, he went back and waited. It cost us money and we had to be separated (and we had two kids who needed their dad), but HE DID NOT BREAK OUR COUNTRY'S IMMIGRATION REGULATIONS.

I am sick of those who do. And I resent people saying that because I am against illegal immigration I am racist or against immigrants. I am against those who knowingly and willingly immigrate here illegally.

Amen to that, homesick! Spot on.

I agree, I just assumed that the Patriot Act took care of that "Right" as well.

Yes, we need to throw out the sanctuary tradition. Our government is forbidden by the constitution to support religion. Why should a church be able to provide sanctuary but not another non-profit organization (i.e., if an illegal immigrant got into a Red Cross office, s/he would not be treated with kid gloves as those who get into a church do).

I don't agree with Obama's position, but he's hardly being "slick" about it. I don't see Congressional conservatives demanding that churches be forced to cover contraceptives. In fact, they taking the side of the churches.

I agree. Lived in Indonesia a while ago for three years. Most "religious" persecution or violence is really the result of ethnic tension, religion often following ethnic lines in that country of over 300 languages. Religion rarely has anything to do with it.

Okay I see you can't read OR comprehend that this type of thing has been going on way before Obama took office so it seems YOU ken are the DUMB ASS!

P.S. Learn to spell and maybe reading and comprehension skills will fall into place.

America once was a lawful and welcoming society until corrupt politicians like George W. Bush and his daddy George, Sr. and grandaddy Prescott Bush and a few other generations of Saudi goat herders figured out how to rape, pillage and plunder the american dream.

Such hypocricy and lies from a failed president is not anymore surprising than that coming out of the mouth of the current narcistic and arrogant Kenyan we have exercising "squaters rights" in the WH now. We have, from a nation of Oath Takers and Oak Keepers, rapidly emerged into a nation of deceitful liars and Oath Breakers.

article says they originally entered on tourist visas. Overstayed.

M4Ogre

article says they originally entered on tourist visas. Overstayed.

...just like the 9/11 terrorists did

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