Why does it even matter what his motive was? I'm sorry but as they pointed out: he's dead...so let's move on and stop talking about this piece of crap.

Yet you read the story and took the time to comment on it ......but maybe if they can figure out his motivation it may be preventable in the future!!

laztstrall

Maybe if they didn't glorify this trash, these situations would be less likely

he's dead....please tell me how he's basking in any of the "glory"......SHEESH!!!

I disagree. That is like saying "lets not find out what caused this plane to crash; instead let's move on". As much as I despise vile evil murderers, we still sometimes need to find out more about what makes them tick.

Jayfos, wtf where did you get that? I'm not in favor of ANY gun control.

Ruppert Jenkins

I disagree. That is like saying "lets not find out what caused this plane to crash; instead let's move on". As much as I despise vile evil murderers, we still sometimes need to find out more about what makes them tick.

EXACTLY!!!....and I'm sure the victim's families might like to know "why" as well!!!

Newswinner101

queenie, here's how they could prevent it: by locking all of these little freaks up. But noooooooo, too worried about offending a few parents...

and how do u determine who's a murdering freak and who's NOT???

the queenie - I don't know what world you've been living in...but I guarantee what he wanted was for people to know his name and to speak his name.

and he's gotten exactly what he wanted, and that might not seem like a glory YOU would want.

but thats clearly the glory he wanted...and got.

It's a catch 22 - people want to know who the bastard is that did such a heinous act, but at the same time...if the focus was never on him, or never on any of the bastards who did these crazy things...maybe, maybe they'd choose to do something else to get their names "known"

we will never know, because we will never live in a society that doesnt salivate for all the salicious details in all it's horrible glory.

Let us ban all idiots. Logic would indicate, Jayfos, that you should be the first to go.

@Jessica, it's societies' obsession with fame. We already know why he shot up sandy hook...people need to stop beating around the bush and blaming things like guns.

@Queen, it's the nuclear option: lock ALL of these little freaks up and stop worrying about their feelings. Psychological testing was invented for a reason. Once they are cleared, they can be released.

Jessica-1170252

the queenie - I don't know what world you've been living in...but I guarantee what he wanted was for people to know his name and to speak his name.

and he's gotten exactly what he wanted, and that might not seem like a glory YOU would want.

but thats clearly the glory he wanted...and got.

It's a catch 22 - people want to know who the bastard is that did such a heinous act, but at the same time...if the focus was never on him, or never on any of the bastards who did these crazy things...maybe, maybe they'd choose to do something else to get their names "known"

we will never know, because we will never live in a society that doesnt salivate for all the salicious details in all it's horrible glory.

I live in the real world.....he's DEAD....how is he basking in the glory of his deeds...u can "guarantee" that's why he did it..because he wanted peeps to speak and know his name....HMMM.....I call BS....and I'm gonna guarantee that u just don't like it being reported because it doesn't fit in with YOUR agenda....

no mention or investigation into if this turd was on the magic prescription drugs they hand out like pez? imagine that.its a puplic health and safety concern.possibly an epidemic.but no investigation by the FDA or CDC.it would seem its in the best intrest of the children.i guess they only drag kids into it when it helps their concerns.

Newswinner101

@Jessica, it's societies' obsession with fame. We already know why he shot up sandy hook...people need to stop beating around the bush and blaming things like guns.

@Queen, it's the nuclear option: lock ALL of these little freaks up and stop worrying about their feelings. Psychological testing was invented for a reason. Once they are cleared, they can be released.

Psychological testing was invented for a reason....UM WHAT???? and Once they are cleared, they can be released......seriously what world do YOU live in???

and u just KNOW it was FAME that drove him to kill.....oh please....talk about putting one's head in the sand!!!

In the light of cases like Sandy Hook, and the more recent Mccready suicide, Why are so many people still so set against psychological screening for gun purchases? If Adam Lanza's emotional background was known, would his mother been able to amass the arsenal he used in his attack? You might ask, "Am I my brother's keeper?" In this case, I'd say yes. I know that traumatic events cause great emotional stress, but is it better to ignore the symptoms because "He's my brother, and I'm not going to turn him in"? I have a brother with severe anger issues, which is the reason I don't have a gun in my home. I do have a pit bull and she's a very good watch dog, and I know that if someone gets past her, I'm pretty much at their mercy. I'd rather take that chance than to possibly arm another Adam Lanza, or James Holmes.

John Bryant: here's why...because they prove NOTHING. Do you know how many people fantasize about pushing their boss off a roof or something? Alot of people. The fact of the matter is there is a difference between fantasizing about a crime, and actually committing it. Furthermore, owning a firearm is a basic right. Even complete whackjobs have the right to own one, whether I like it or not. That's how it should be. The same goes with ex-criminals.

I am completely applaud! How can they put a video of him when he was 4 1/2 and try to look for clues on that. He was 4! They are saying he played too many video games, and he had sensory integration because he didn't liked to be touched. Oh, so now they are saying that these type of kids are going to be killers!? I can't believe this, this is ridiculous. Did they ever think that maybe it was just him, the person! So now they are implying that autistic kids and kids with sensory integration are going to be killers.

Everyone wants to know why we need to know why he did what he did. Well what if he was talking to someone that was talking him into doing something like this. There are people out there that work this sick people like this. Sometimes to get them to kill them self's on Cam. Sometimes to get them to do something like Sandyhook. People like this live there whole life on the computor. That is where they feel safe. Hell my daughter spends 20 hours a day on here. There are so many things we parents don't know about that is going on in cyber space. Bulling well everything from A to Z. I for one would like to know if there was someone that was pushing this guys buttons to do this? God help him if the police find him out if there is a him. Or her. I would like to know his mom's way of thinking also. I am sorry but anyone that knows they have a sick kid in there home like she knew. Why in the HELL did she have so many Assault Weapons and teach this kid how to use them all????? I am kind of think she isn't or wasn't right in the head. I want to hear where she got these guns and if she went trough a background check and if she had any mental illness of her own???

chuck i believe it has be determined she did in fact pass a background check and the guns had all been purchased legally. why she did what she did i guess would go back to the whole as a parent you don't or won't think you child would do something like that. if we have to live in fear of our children then there isn't any hope for us anyway.

as for the main subject of why. well we still don't know why the aurora shooter did it and he is still alive. the fact of the matter is i do also believe it has something to do with the copycat thing. i think it has something to do with the video games and i still think it has something to do with his mental state. combine all of these and this is what we get. in her defense i feel she did the right thing. if you own a gun and have children they need to be taught about the gun, if not then it is something leading to a curiousity and they will seek it out at the wrong time. maybe he didn't with his mental state who knows. its easy to say that now after the fact as it always is, but to her maybe she was making sure she didn't have an accidental shooting. i am for those that shouldn't have a gun not having it. i am also for getting those that need help the help they need. with the suicides of late and it seems they are as numerous as the other shootings it screams we have a mental problem in this country more so then a gun. argue all you want. we are still only looking at a small part of this issue and not the whole issue.

Queenie I say you ask Adam why he did it. Thats right he is DEAD. So anything anyone says is speculation. Without hearing it from Adam or reading it in a note he may have left would BE THE ONLY way to know.

This is STUPID that MSNDC keep this going in the press to keep the GUN issue up front in the media. I guess they DO work for the LIBERALS in Washington DC. When are they going to report real NEWS.

newswinner - "he's dead...so let's move on and stop talking about this piece of crap."

Agreed, but unfortunately America needs to keep talking about it thanks to the liberal media and the anti-gun stance of some of our politicians.

Notice how NBC left out the thousands of dollars in violent video games, the kids own devoted video game/computer room, AND that while committing the shooting spree he changed clips in the gun he was using much more often than even necessary - as if in a video game, so even though he had them it didn't matter at all.

The "official" police report is not expected until summer... how many gun bans will already be in effect by then due to the fear/ignorance of liberals and their easily controlled politicians who need to do something (no matter how stupid) to make themselves feel important/safe?

I wish Nancy Lanza had survived to witness the results of her carelessness.

newswinner101,

"queenie, here's how they could prevent it: by locking all of these little freaks up. But noooooooo, too worried about offending a few parents..."

It is very difficult these days to have a person committed to a mental institution against his will without good cause, and there is a good reason for that: it's a violation of an individual's right to liberty. I'm sure you are in favor of individual liberty, but that right is easily violated if anyone can easily have you committed to a mental hospital just because he thinks you are a bit "peculiar". Remember this: The Soviet Union was in the habit of committing political dissidents to mental hospitals because they thought they must just be crazy not to love communism, the "workers' paradise". The same thing could happen here if we are not careful.

Big. What we do know about this kid is he had to have Constance supervision when at school. They had the money to get him whatever help Adam needed. HEll his dad is a DR. His mom looked like she wasn't all there from the Pic. I seen of here. I own several guns. My brother has a son that has Mental illness. My guns are locked up. But I would never have shown Jeff how to handle a gun. As he got older he became more uncontrollable. I can guess what he might of done if he had been allow to learn to handle a gun. Nothing good could have come from that. All he needed to know is stay away and leave them alone line boiling water. My sons all have hunted with me and I have sent them to gun safety classes. But one person I never showed to shoot a gun is my first wife. If I had I would be dead right now. That is a fact.

Hummmmmmmmm "Hindsight is 20/20" ...

Jessica 1170252 "but I guarantee what he wanted was for people to know his name and to speak his name." ....

Do you realize how moronic your statement is?

Do you have some special power that is not present in the rest of people that have been involved in this case?

It's amazing how people that have never had contact with Adam Latanza, his family, or in way are directly connected with this case can know anything other then the tragic event happened and all that have intimate knowledge about any possible causation factors are likely dead or unwilling to discuss the issue

To overreact and have the predisposition to assume that anyone can be singled out prior to the commitment of such a act (and incarcerated to prevent such occurrences) is ludicrous beyond belief....
and sounds like pre war Nazi propaganda in the thirties.
This is the same mentality that prevailed in this country permitting the Tuskegee experiments and other heinous governments acts between 1932 & 1972 ...

" I think everyone is a little crazy ... except me and thee ... and sometimes I'm not sure about thee"

chuck i applaud you for seeing that and i agree that makes sense. we don't know what her mental state was either. we probably are never going to know what his motive was unless there is a note found. i am with you my guns are locked up and i don't even have kids. i just know that we seem to have to many casual gun owners. those that don't educate their kids on the dangers of the gun or maybe they don't recognize it themselves. more people own guns but less people are educated about owning a gun. that still only addresses the accidents we read about. this issue is way deeper then guns and until we address all of it we aren't going to get anywhere with it.

Chuck 2111043 - While I appreciate your sentiment, Adam's dad was not a medical doctor. He was an executive with GE Capital, over a department that included three people who recently went to prison for the LIBOR scandal. James Holmes' dad, Robert, was involved in the financial industry as well.

Ruppert Jenkins

I disagree. That is like saying "lets not find out what caused this plane to crash; instead let's move on". As much as I despise vile evil murderers, we still sometimes need to find out more about what makes them tick.

And there will be many who will not like the answers, who will insist that the answers are "bull" and will demand that everyone accept their own conclusions as the gospel to be accorded final truth.

There was more to this story in the Post. It would not have made acceptable reading on Newsvine.

A Non-Story....Just more BS to push the agenda...the whole story is "speculation" a complete made up story !!

"But there was nothing that outlined his plans or said that he was trying to outdo a previous shooting," the official said.

So why the hell write the damn story !! All BS from MSNBC just filler and irresponsible fiction.

I wish Nancy Lanza had survived to witness the results of her carelessness.

From everything I've read his mother did everything she could. of course if your logic is "She didn't try hard enough, because he still did it..."

Hopefully you'll never have a mentally ill child or other relative.

@Morton McGonigal: I wish Nancy Lanza had survived to witness the results of her carelessness.

Don't you know that Nancy had all of the guns and ammunition in one of the strongest gun safes devised?
Don't you know that it took Adam almost 24 hours of drilling/prying the hinges to get to the guns?
Don't you know that even after she was shot by her own son in the driveway that Nancy gallantly threw herself on him in an attempt to wrestle the gun he used on her away?

No? Oh, sorry... those events are just speculation too.

Fact: You have no idea if the guns were secured or not.

Its simple, the loser was fkg crazy, whats so hard to understand. Too many academics are looking for some far off theory like maybe his great uncle on his mothers side was a killer and the genes mutated.

Go ahead everybody, keep on believing what the Government and its bought and payed for big media keep telling you. soon you will understand , and you will deserve what you will be receiving from them ! Do some searching on your own, question everything ! Do this; Take any pictures or videos you can find on sites of real live people and put them beside every picture you can find of Adam Lanza , see what your own gut feelings tell you. Myself: I believe his picture looks fake and photo shopped to hell and back ! see if your gut feelings tell you different ! Then start searching for truth !

Bottom line, regardless of motive; all those kids, and all those teachers would still be alive if Adam Lanza did not have access to semi automatic assault weapons. Clearly, these two people, he and his mother, should not have had guns anywhere near them.

Once again proving my point that LESS guns, NOT more guns, is the solution to this problem.

ZMan and you know how or just repeating what the other losers told you.

if anyone understands why he did this deed; then they are as crazy as he was; in plain words he was nuts,several bricks shy of a full load,crazy as a bed bug, so far around the bend he could never come back to the real world, to bad he did not get hit by a truck and killed years ago.

saxon

if anyone understands why he did this deed; then they are as crazy as he was; in plain words he was nuts,several bricks shy of a full load,crazy as a bed bug, so far around the bend he could never come back to the real world, to bad he did not get hit by a truck and killed years ago.

yes I believe we get the part that he was insane BUT what was it that made him into a mass-murderer......a lot of peeps are CRAZY as a rabid squirrel but they don't go shooting innocent people, let alone little kids in cold blood...I was hoping that during the pathology something might be learned from his brain.....it may not have been just one thing but many things that were pissing him off.....he must have really hated his mother for him to shoot her in the face like that....I hated my parents but never enough to kill them and yes we had guns in the house as my parents were both in law-enforcement!!!

queenie, here's how they could prevent it: by locking all of these little freaks up. But noooooooo, too worried about offending a few parents...

Wow... talk about taking away someone's freedom and constitutional rights!

What if your child were one of those "little freaks"?

How about we find out what was wrong with him and try to prevent it from happening again?

We can also look at his mother and her obsession with guns... and her total lack of judgment.

Hey queenie, may I respond to your 2.11 post? Cody Posey was 14 when he murderd his dad, step mom, and 13 year old sister. It happened on newsman Sam Donnalson ranch in southern New Mexico. That was in July, 2004. The day he turned 21 all was forgotten and forgiven. I'm bettin he has easy access to gun now. He said he just snapped. Would anyone turn their back on him? Let your kids around him?

How about Neimiah Greigo, Albuquerque? Two months ago he murdered his mom, 3 siblings, and dad.

Said he was mad at his mom. By the time he is 21 it will be forgotton and forgiven and a safe bet is he will have easy access to guns. This murder barely made the news.

The fact is if he did have a reason the cops would never tell you unless it fit the story they want to put out there. Let's pretend for a moment that this kid would go see his mom at the school or call her at work. Being as he's kind of creepy the people at the school didn't like it and told his mom it had to stop. But being a bit off he wouldn't listen to his mom or what the people at the school said and kept calling and showing up at the school. So the school fires the mother. Now she's out of work with a f%&ed up semi dependent kid and so she kills herself. The son finds the body of his mom with a note. Son blames the school and since she killed herself her guns were left unlocked. Well you know what happened next. Do you think if this were the story that law enforcement would allow it to get out. Hell No ! The crazy gunman who kills his mom and then goes on a rampage is the story that law enforcement likes to put out. This is the standard story that focuses the blame on the shooter and leaves everyone else blameless. They used a version of this story for JFK and RFK and look how well that worked out. The truth is usually to messy for law enforcement so they don't usually like to tell it. I don't know what the truth is but I never believe anything the government says, they have a long tradition of telling us what they want us to hear and that's rarely the truth.

his picture reminds of the painting the scream...it was the competitive crazy in him ...that drew out the best of his worse...isn't that crazy...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzV9QExGFQs

Truth, thats what we want. NOW!!!

No assault rifle used in Norway.......#dumbanduselesslaw

Thank goodness for early stages of senility, short term memory loss. I read the article < 5 minutes ago, can't remember that freak's name - no glorification from this corner! But I do agree, 15 minutes of fame is pretty much the motivation behind a LOT of these crimes, forget "Mommy didn't sing to me when I was a kid," or "I can go out and buy a gun, so I'll kill a lot of innocents," or "my girlfriend broke up with me to date an older (younger) man," or any of the other psycho-logic excuses you might see proposed. Some people are born "bad," fortunately they (we?) control it for our entire lives, and don't give in to the impulses.

Sadly, the short term memory part is true. I'm going to be embarrassed when I look up at the atricle, slap my forehead, and yell, "Oh, yeah, I knew that!"

Liberals and their minions the main stream media have jumped all over this tragedy to further one of their causes, gun control. Even exploiting the surviving family members of these tragedies. If they get their way with new gun laws this will go away until the next tragedy happens. They DO NOT want to address the WHY reason. If we ask for the press to stop sensationalizing these tragedies the liberals will use freedom of the press rights, if we ask the entertainment industry to stop glorifying violence the liberals will use freedom of speech rights, yet they are all about attacking our second amendment rights. Could this be that the press and entertainment industries are huge democrat backers? There are already millions of the so called assault rifles and high capacity clips out there that are not goint to go away. The only good the proposed gun regulations will do is keep someone like myself, a law-abiding citizen from legally buying a semi-automatic gun, one that shoots only one shot with each pull of the trigger and a clip that will hold over 10 bullets. AND I AM NOT GOING TO GO AND KILL EVEN ONE PERSON. But I suppose the importance of all this is for the liberals to walk away with one more feather in their cap.

libertyforyou

Hey queenie, may I respond to your 2.11 post? Cody Posey was 14 when he murderd his dad, step mom, and 13 year old sister. It happened on newsman Sam Donnalson ranch in southern New Mexico. That was in July, 2004. The day he turned 21 all was forgotten and forgiven. I'm bettin he has easy access to gun now. He said he just snapped. Would anyone turn their back on him? Let your kids around him?

How about Neimiah Greigo, Albuquerque? Two months ago he murdered his mom, 3 siblings, and dad.

Said he was mad at his mom. By the time he is 21 it will be forgotton and forgiven and a safe bet is he will have easy access to guns. This murder barely made the news.

but that's my point we didn't know these peeps were murdering freaks until AFTER they murdered someone....so how do you know who's dangerous and who's not...u can't just lock peeps up because u think they will become a murderer!!

They weren't even doing that. They were speculating about the speculation...now THAT is just the sad state of journalism. "I'm going to guess what your guess is!" *facepalm*

and yet both of you read it and commented it.....and Newswinner101 commented TWICE....LOL!!!!

Newswinner101

Spot on. best point this week....hell this YEAR !!!

How mankind loves the art of speculation! Where some may be wrong, yet any could be right. That common state of affairs, where for the moment all share. Who sees the fool or the wise, with his or her eyes. So pull up a chair to share, entertainment and cares, that will be abundantly declared.For a wee tale that told naught, it sure has caught on with a lot.

the queenie,

I'm sure if jack & newswinner knew they needed to run their comments by you first they would have asked, but you miss the point. The comments point out how needless this garbage journalism is and that it's actually highlighted by the editor. It's garbage worthy of a comment. Thanks for keeping count for the rest of us.

Quenee,

Get off your soap box and quit declaring yourself goddess and empress of all, everyone has a right to post a comment on the stupidity and crap that passes as journalism these days, or is it that you are a journalist yourself?

It is quite obvious that MSNBC just had to put together this gem of journalism delight just to keep the propaganda brainwashing scheme going since there was no new actual news on this subject for a few weeks now.

aw did I hurt ur feelings guys....LMAO!!!

is driving gun nuts to stockpile weapons and an increase in gun violence.

I call B.S. you can offer absolutely no provable connection or correlation between the two.

The media hypes it agenda, the diversions continue, and the sheeple still bleat.

IA.ScooterTramp

is driving gun nuts to stockpile weapons and an increase in gun violence.

I call B.S. you can offer absolutely no provable connection or correlation between the two.

The media hypes it agenda, the diversions continue, and the sheeple still bleat.

I rarely agree with you IA.ScooterTramp but this is an exception....I call BS on this as well!!!

gm Tramp

ProFreedom-5130956

All this speculation is driving the current focus on gun control which, in turn, is driving gun nuts to stockpile weapons and an increase in gun violence.

This was one incident- a bad oil/water mix with this developmentally challenged kid and his over-protective mother

ProFreedom,

I hope you realize that when you describe gun owners as "gun nuts" and a deranged killer as a "developmentally challenged kid" you immediately polarize the "discussion."

Simple logical question..

If Gun owners are as rabid and nuts as we are portrayed daily..how can there still be any anti gun people still alive?

(GM Bill)

SOOOOO... First they blamed the guns for causing this terrible, horrible event.... Now they are blaming the video games... NEVER do you hear of them blaming the actual person commiting the crime. It's always something else that causes this person to do the horrible things. They never have to be actually held accountable for what they did.

Seriously, these people need to learn right from wrong, or the difference in fact or fiction. It all begins when you are raising your children. You as a parent TEACH your child!! Yet, this may be too hard for some people..

IA - because not all nuts kill people.

duh.

some nuts kill themselves.

some nuts dont ever kill, they just hold their guns like the phallic symbols they truly are and get off on them.

some nuts just blow up @!$%# in their backyard, pretending it's a real human being - a bad guy, of course - because that makes them less sick for wanting to shoot a real human being.

and some nuts, like my dad - well, they like their guns...but arent paranoid or nuts, so they dont go out and stockpile MORE guns, they just keep the ones they have...and use them ONLY for hunting...because thats the only reason they have them.

and of course, some gun nuts are law abiding citizens until they use that gun unlawfully.

there are all kinds of nuts, and not all of them are deadly.

peanuts kill some people...but not all people. it's still a nut though.

GM Scooter

Good point. Now I keep my guns in a safe to protect me from my wife.

Jessica-1170252

IA - because not all nuts kill people.

duh.

some nuts kill themselves.

some nuts dont ever kill, they just hold their guns like the phallic symbols they truly are and get off on them.

some nuts just blow up @!$%# in their backyard, pretending it's a real human being - a bad guy, of course - because that makes them less sick for wanting to shoot a real human being.

and some nuts, like my dad - well, they like their guns...but arent paranoid or nuts, so they dont go out and stockpile MORE guns, they just keep the ones they have...and use them ONLY for hunting...because thats the only reason they have them.

and of course, some gun nuts are law abiding citizens until they use that gun unlawfully.

there are all kinds of nuts, and not all of them are deadly.

peanuts kill some people...but not all people. it's still a nut though.

okay this is the 2nd best post of the day!!!!

Um... sorry to bust your bubble asnd all Jessica...

But you are now stating it was the people, not the gun as you usually spout. change of attitude? ...or finally waking up?...in either case... owning, and preserving the right to own a firearm, does not make you rabid nor nuts. which is the point i made and YOU once again didn't understand.

" Duh" .....Indeed

IA.ScooterTramp

Um... sorry to bust your bubble asnd all Jessica...

But you are now stating it was the people, not the gun as you usually spout. change of attitude? ...or finally waking up?...in either case... owning, and preserving the right to own a firearm, does not make you rabid nor nuts. which is the point i made and YOU once again didn't understand.

well u did ask the question Scooter....I thought the answer was pretty funny!!!

I rarely agree with Profreedom but you just have to go to a gun show to see his point. It is a feeding frenzy with all the proposed banned items sold out. Look at the stock values of gunmakers as they have skyrocketed under this long controversy as their sales have exploded upward.

See it for yourself in person or look up the numbers......

IXLR8- why thank you!

IA says:

I call B.S. you can offer absolutely no provable connection or correlation between the two.

The media hypes it agenda, the diversions continue, and the sheeple still bleat.

Well scoot the sheeple do bleat a lot. But as far as proving or disproving the connection or correlation, you yourself are saying that the media hyping things up- but so is the government. Otherwise, how would you account for the fact that there are year-long waiting lists for assault-style weapons?

Jessica-1170252

a"peanut" is in fact NOT a "nut". It is a legume or bean.

To all NRA posters. Your talking points don't work anymore. They are old and worn out. Guns do kill people and Video games do as well. How do you think they train our Troops to kill cops as well. You guessed it. Video games. They get so used to it, that it becomes normal to them. Look at the young kids that have killed. They didn't think they had done anything wrong! We do that all day on the computer, there isn't anything wrong with it!!!. We all know that happens. There can't be on person in this chat room that hasn't seen it. Just having these Ar-15's at your disposal is bad. Any good person can snap and its all over for someone if these types of guns are at hand. Our Top Generals all agree and all top Police organisations as well, that these Ar-15's and others like them have no business in the hands of everyday people. You can't hunt with them. They were made to kill men. Lots of men, kids, women..... Now if you lived on the Mexican boarder then yes you need these kinds of weapons. But the newest talking point from the NRA is what about the woman that has several people breaking into her home all at once. Well I hat to tell you this, but if she lives in a place like that, she couldn't afford A $ 3,000 plus AR-15 to start with, Nice try... And if she could, she is selling drugs. Most working class people couldn't afford that kind of money.

chuck-2111043

Please explain the difference between the Mini-14 I own, and an AR-15 which I also own.

I have not seen a mini-14? Maybe the mini has the stock that comes off. I would never see the reason to own either of them. I am not that scared, I don't feel the need to carry a hand gun when I leave the house. I use Guns to hunt, And not even that anymore. But I have several guns in the home. I do know the AR-15 is just a semi Automatic of the Military's Weapon.

jessica- it's hard to understand you, some nuts like my dad "aren't nuts"? you make blanket statements and include everyone who owns a gun as "some kind of nut". I have to call bs on that, owning or wanting to have a gun does not make one a "nut". I could make the same kind of blanket statement in that all people who are "anti-gun" are "nuts", but such blanket statements are never correct. We have noted your fear of guns to be your motivator, but fear is a dangerous thing,try informing yourself and realease that fear. Take into consideration that there have been alot of guns around for a long time. There is no spike in gun violence,we just have easier access to the information through media and computers(there's actually less gun violence then 20 yrs. ago) this is their agenda,to spread fear and remove guns(albiet not all at once) while not recognizing that the drugs that have been introduced in the last 20 yrs. have more to do with it than the guns.

GM XD

mini 14s jam too easy.....opps how would i know that?

ProFreedom-5130956

how would you account for the fact that there are year-long waiting lists for assault-style weapons?

Great question! I don't know the answer, but my best guess is that there is, in fact, a feeding frenzy that has been started (and fueled by) the media and the government. These waiting lists are held by FFL dealers, which means that the purchasers are going through the background checks, and therefore approved buyers. I believe that most of these buyers are concerned about their Second Amendment rights, but perhaps not too knowledgeable about firearms. The fact of the matter is that there are plenty of semi-automatic rifles on the market that are more accurate and more deadly than the AR-15 knockoffs, but do not meet the definition of "assault weapon." Personally, I prefer the .308 Winchester (NATO 7.62mm) to the .223 (5.56mm) rounds. I consider the increased accuracy and range a fair trade for not being able to carry as many rounds.

denver bill2,

I agree, the .308 is also my prefered round in the AR style platform.

ia scooter,

The mini 14 is also not very accurate.

patriotmark

denver bill2, I agree, the .308 is also my prefered round in the AR style platform.

mark,

My prejudice is partly due to the fact that I was in the Army when they made the switch from M-14 to M-16. I fired expert with both, but I (and many others) had trouble with the early model M-16. That prejudice continues, even though I know the modern platforms are much more reliable. And, despite my feelings about the platform in general, I must admit that the ability to quickly and easily switch calibers on the same platform is a nice feature.

denver bill 2,

"I (and many others) had trouble with the early model M-16."

I know what you mean there. The only time I had to fire the M-16 was in basic training, and I'm glad of that. The damn thing kept jamming.

Give me a break. As far as "looks", all Lanza was, was a homely kid. If every homely kid committed mass murders, we'd have 10 MILLION murders a year in this country. One photo of a person means nothing.

you can tell things like that by just a look eh ? you must be a real boon to your local P.D.

Hmm. Seems most of the shootings have been by lefties primarily in leftist states.

volopanemetcircenses

He kinda does look like a right-wing nut-job

Yeah, he looks like a Red neck that drinks beer & drives a 4 wheel drive truck doesn't he? Looks more like one of your Occupie Wall Street Yuppies. Probably looks a lot like "YOU".

Well... He kinda does look like a right-wing nut-job (i.e. He looks like a heavily repressed individual/not living in a compassionate reality).

Well... He kinda does look like a left-wing nut-job (i.e. He looks like a heavily repressed individual/not living in reality).

heres the actual address

http://ssristories.com/index.php?sort=date

it has become so widespread that there is now legal standing in court called 'the prozac defense'

while big pharma may not be totally responsible IMHO they have played a major role in these killings

Don't just bandy words back and forth about psychotropic drugs. Write to your congressman and demand they fund in house mental health care. The drugging of America has been going on since the 80s after Reagan defunded mental health. I'm not saying the Democrats are totally blameless. They pushed for this too. It took both parties to create this mess, and it will take both parties to fix it. There is a fundamental breakdown in the political world. Like no time in history, every single issue facing our government is split down strict party lines. There seems to be no working together, even on the most minor challenges facing us. As long as the government clings to the belief that "If a Democrat proposed it it must be bad" or "If a Republican proposed it it must be bad", we'll never get anywhere. We're all Americans, Democrat and Republicans. Let's try to act like it!!!

Well, I asked about that on a previous article and the NBC response was that because a secret service report back around 2001 concluded that none of the shootings (presumably up to that date) could be reliably tied to anti/pro psychotic prescription drugs, that it rules out any possibility that such meds could be the least bit of a contributing factor.

Nevermind that shootings are more commonplace now, and drugs continue to be invented.

Ergo, NBC will probably never investigate that possibility, and will continue to take advertising dollars from such drug makers.

NBC, please correct if this is inaccurate.

expat- they are shying away from the drug side of this because of big pharma. One simple investigation into any of these anti-depressants shows that they all have possible suicidal or homicidal side effects, this should be the first thing to enrage the public. How are these drugs being approved for consumption? Our FDA is not doing their job anymore, when instituted they protected the people from such things,now they approve things and they are "field tested" on the public.shameful,big money to be made in looking the other way.

what are you going on about???? was there a run on aluminium foil over the weekend or what???

Cover up? What the hell are you blathering about, slappy?

queenie,

Maybe you can understand this as concerns how to stop this kind of problem: enforce the laws we have and take the guns from the criminals.

There, all better.

NC-492358

queenie,

Maybe you can understand this as concerns how to stop this kind of problem: enforce the laws we have and take the guns from the criminals.

But you don't know who the criminal is until he/she commits the crime and then you have people dead who by all accounts shouldn't be dead....or maybe you can predict the future???

Is this HIGH price we must pay for living in a free society????

I have to disagree Queenie, the police in my area know who the criminals are. Even up in Maine we have the gang problem,the police look the other way, I was pistol whipped by three gang members in my hallway(they were trying to rob the crack dealer downstairs and mistakenly got my daughters door) when i heard my daughter crying i rushed downstairs and was met at the door with a 9mm to the face,thankfully the guy who had my daughter by the hair let her go and helped his buddies with me. They told me the chances of the three being found were next to nil,although they used a "regular customers" name,who the police know. The police knew about this drug-dealing crip and chose to do NOTHING, no further investigation,go about your business(they never arrested him for anything,even though he used fake names talking to them for over an hour,that means he changed his name at least two times same converstion). there is some truth to his statement. It happened in Auburn,Me. if you want to check,two years ago.

dtrx I am talking about mass-murderers like Adam Lantz who by all accounts was a law-abiding citizen UNTIL he started gunning peeps down in cold blood!!!

Queenie,

The problem was not the weapons. It was the actions taken to safeguard the weapons by his mother. They knew he was a ticking timebomb according to interviews with his brother. Why do liberals insist on punishing everyone for the actions of just a few.

From the World Health Organization:
> The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
> Murders per 100,000 citizens
> Honduras 91.6
> El Salvador 69.2
> Cote d'lvoire 56.9
> Jamaica 52.2
> Venezuela 45.1
> Belize 41.4
> US Virgin Islands 39.2
> Guatemala 38.5
> Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
> Zambia 38.0
> Uganda 36.3
> Malawi 36.0
> Lesotho 35.2
> Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
> Colombia 33.4
> South Africa 31.8
> Congo 30.8
> Central African Republic 29.3
> Bahamas 27.4
> Puerto Rico 26.2
> Saint Lucia 25.2
> Dominican Republic 25.0
> Tanzania 24.5
> Sudan 24.2
> Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
> Ethiopia 22.5
> Guinea 22.5
> Dominica 22.1
> Burundi 21.7
> Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
> Panama 21.6
> Brazil 21.0
> Equatorial Guinea 20.7
> Guinea-Bissau 20.2
> Kenya 20.1
> Kyrgyzstan 20.1
> Cameroon 19.7
> Montserrat 19.7
> Greenland 19.2
> Angola 19.0
> Guyana 18.6
> Burkina Faso 18.0
> Eritrea 17.8
> Namibia 17.2
> Rwanda 17.1
> Mexico 16.9
> Chad 15.8
> Ghana 15.7
> Ecuador 15.2
> North Korea 15.2
> Benin 15.1
> Sierra Leone 14.9
> Mauritania 14.7
> Botswana 14.5
> Zimbabwe 14.3
> Gabon 13.8
> Nicaragua 13.6
> French Guiana 13.3
> Papua New Guinea 13.0
> Swaziland 12.9
> Bermuda 12.3
> Comoros 12.2
> Nigeria 12.2
> Cape Verde 11.6
> Grenada 11.5
> Paraguay 11.5
> Barbados 11.3
> Togo 10.9
> Gambia 10.8
> Peru 10.8
> Myanmar 10.2
> Russia 10.2
> Liberia 10.1
> Costa Rica 10.0
> Nauru 9.8
> Bolivia 8.9
> Mozambique 8.8
> Kazakhstan 8.8
> Senegal 8.7
> Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
> Mongolia 8.7
> British Virgin Islands 8.6
> Cayman Islands 8.4
> Seychelles 8.3
> Madagascar 8.1
> Indonesia 8.1
> Mali 8.0
> Pakistan 7.8
> Moldova 7.5
> Kiribati 7.3
> Guadeloupe 7.0
> Haiti 6.9
> Timor-Leste 6.9
> Anguilla 6.8
> Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
> Lithuania 6.6
> Uruguay 5.9
> Philippines 5.4
> Ukraine 5.2
> Estonia 5.2
> Cuba 5.0
> Belarus 4.9
> Thailand 4.8
> Suriname 4.6
> Laos 4.6
> Georgia 4.3
> Martinique 4.2
> And
> The United States 4.2
>
> ALL of the countries above America have 100% gun bans or have extremely strict ban on certain weapons.

Nowhere do I see France, GB, etc

Corky, Every one of the countries you listed there are "third world" countries. Does this mean we have finally attained the enviable status of a third world country. Oh Joy...Oh Joy. not all are third world, but the others have had severe human rights issues.

Bottom line none of these laws have worked before, and in most Case's have proven to do the exact opposite. Just like Immigration, Raising the debt ceiling, and so on yet ..

Barry's solution...lets do it again.

So i point out again, its merely more diversionary tactics. Or he is absolutely clueless ....your choice.

but yet we keep re-electing the same nitwits over and over again

not "we" lilbear. For years i have stated RE-elect....nobody.....

(And that first line in 8.1 should read NEVER worked before, sorry folks typos happen.)

i agree with the no re-elect nobody basis but then sad to say the country chose to re-elect when a unique opportunity this last election we could have cleared the entire house and replaced 33 senate seats. a good first step id say. but sadly the country chose to re-elect and that didnt happen by accident

Gun violence is not exclusively about Newtown. If you disapprove of representatives who are re-elected, it only means your opinion is in the minority, doesn't it?

Year 2000

Here's what we do....run an experiment. Pick a few random, large, metropolitan cities to create extremely strict gun laws. Let's choose Chicago, New York, and Detroit.

Year 2013

Well, guys, I guessed our experiment did not turn out so good. Apparently the 3 cities with the most strict gun laws actually have the highest crime rate in America......sh!t. Well, maybe since we own 90% of the media we can make sure the public never realizes this fun fact and continue pushing for more gun control.

Logic of a liberal.....Do not try follow it. You will just hurt your head after you bang it on the wall repeatedly.

@tim

"If you disapprove of representatives who are re-elected, it only means your opinion is in the minority, doesn't it?"

No necessarily but even if it does, So what? It doesn't make that person's opinion any less valuable.

lilbear / scooter,

I agree to the no re elect chance gone by once again. I was in R.I. before the elections and read what I thought was just total BS. The Providence Journal lead story was headline "Let's Re-Elect Them All!"

The Providence Journal is the only newspaper and talk about being totally biased, the "All" that represent RI are all democrats. And they're all corrupt.

Corky,

By far the best post on the subject yet. So true, so true. Still banging my head trying to figure out the illogical rantings of the Liberal mind.

Apparently the 3 cities with the most strict gun laws actually have the highest crime rate in America......sh!t.

Actually, according to the CDC, of the three cities you cite, only Detroit is in the top ten for gun deaths or homicides. Neither Chicago nor New York makes the cut. In fact, some of the lowest rates are in cities with strict gun controls, including Boston, Hartford, New York, Providence and San Jose.

Nice try.

You haven't seen any of the security camera video of the school from December 13 or 14 and you think you know the motivation of the "killings" even though you haven't required any proof of who perpetrated the alleged "crime". Sheeple, please! This is like WMD in Iraq all over again.

How inconvenient the truth can be...

Yet...

But Lt. Paul Vance, Connecticut State Police spokesman, says investigators "are a long way" from determining what motivated Lanza. The notion that it was an obsession with Breivik, Vance says, "is mere speculation."

Um what??? kids in other countries play the same video games and see the same movies that are seen here......I doubt a video game made this kid kill his mother shoot up a school and then kill himself....also the Norwegian killer did NOT kill himself!!!

gee if violent video games create killers then why am i not in the NFL?

Yeah,but dont expect any hearings on that.

So what's your alternative to medication for the mentally ill?

a padded cell?

so far we cannot restrain non adjudicated mental patients that have not posed a danger to self or society

To Severed Head - Before the ACLU and the left wing went before a liberal Supreme Court we put the mentally insane in places like Saint Elizabeth, in fact the term "Out in left field" came from a baseball field that had an insane asylum as the left field wall.

Yes, it was abused, especially by the young, who had their parents put away in order to take over the family money - see Frank Lincoln putting away Mary Todd as an example - but it did take care of the mentally ill.

But that was stopped, I believe, in the mid seventies. It should have been put right instead of ending it. The street people would have "three and a bed", the violent insane would be taken care of and our people would be a hell of a lot safer!

As for the news media. They trive on making money and getting ratings(and pushing their agenda) so they air everthing to do with gun violence, and NOTHING to do with crimes prevented, by gun use!

Willbefree, you're half right, the left did lobby to shut down many of these institutions, but it was Ronald Reagan who defunded and eventually closed them down. I never claimed that the Democrats were blameless for this. Pointing fingers and accusing each other isn't going to save a single life. lilbear seems to be a bit uninformed, a person can be institutionalized by a judge, LEO, physician, or mental health professional by using the Baker Act. It isn't a permanent thing, but the patient is locked up and held under observation for 3 days. This is a law used in Florida and may explain why there are not as many mass shootings here as in other states, but that is just an opinion.

The big question is: where will Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy end up? Is there a space for them in Heaven or will they be in Hell, too?

Bob Freebird,

Let me go out on a limb and assume you think we should legalize marijuana. You believe strongly in murdering children and justify it by saying the child was not born yet and did not really exist. You think amnesty should be given to all illegal immigrants because it is the "right thing to do". You believe America is hated by everyone because we start wars with everyone. You think it is greedy for people to want to keep the money they have earned, but it is not greedy for people to want to take that money from them for theirselves. You believe any belief of a higher power only leads to death, killing, and hardship. You believe big government and more control given to federal powers is logical.

I am able to know all of this because all liberals are the same. You believe in one, you believe in it all. You drink the cool-aid, sir. You are an idiot.

Oh, Corky, you are so simple. People like you are why I arm myself.

As long as they are "investigating" his motivation, the investigation will drag on forever, thereby allowing them to deflect questions and calls for release of evidence by claiming that there is "an ongoing investigation which precludes us from being able to be transparent". How convenient for the authorities is that? for them to merely need to just tell their tales and never present their "evidence" for any cross examination.

People who don't question what they are told by authorities who refuse to present the most basic of evidence and proof, to back up their allegations, are the "sheeple problem".

Scooter -

Not all gun owners are rabid and nuts.

Remember, only one in 3-4 American adults are gun owners.  Only one in 15-20 gun owners is an NRA member.  Only one in ten NRA members are the survivalists who show up here and spew drivel.  I'll do the math for you:  1 in 500 are the true gun nuts.  They are organized, so each single shrill voice seems like dozens as they post on right-wing sites like Limbaugh's, left-wing sites like Maddow's and middle-of-the-road sites like this one.

We can make them irrelevant, by writing your reps at the state level and in DC.

IA.ScooterTramp regardless of how the media tries to sell it: very FEW peeps actually want to ban guns

and Bob in Boston nicely done with your response to Scooter and totally agree with you!!!

bobinboston- middle of the road? are you kidding? thanks for the laugh, i needed it.

Wrong again, this is just one example, Illinois, Ca, and others have all did the same this year...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/missouri-democrats-intruduce-legislation-to-confiscate-firearms-gives-gunowners-90-days-to-turn-in-guns/

dude don't spin that BS.....I thought better of YOU.....yes they have INTRODUCED legislation which you and I know will NOT pass and the proposed BILL is not even geared to remove the 2nd amendment......they are looking at HIGH capacity magazines....not shot guns and not hand guns unless duly NOTED and as I said it is NOT a gun ban and it will NOT pass and they know it......and YOU know it!!!

Bob in Boston

Last week in Colorado---the home to the Columbine massacre in 1999, the Aurora theater massacre in 2012, and the Aurora Chuck E. Cheese's killings in 1993---the house passed four new laws to address gun violence:

1. Restricting magazine size to 15 rounds for firearms, and eight for shotguns.

2. Requiring background checks on all gun purchases, including those between private sellers and firearms bought online.

3. A ban on concealed firearms at colleges and stadiums.

4. A requirement that gun purchasers pay for their own background checks.

That's it. No repeal of the second amendment. No Sharia law. Fake-moon-landing director and Foreign-born Muslim socialist Barack Obama is not coming for your guns.

Settle down folks.

Best post of the day.....LOL....course it's still early where I am:)

ok but why would they restrict the rounds of a shot gun to eight rounds. Most shot guns only hold 3 or 4 shells

If the state of Colorado or anyone else thinks those laws will do anything other that to give the feeling of "there we did something" they are living in la la land. Those new laws will do NOTHING to actually help the problem of nut cases doing bad things.

Bob in Boston

The below is an excerpt from Missouri House Bill 545, which is similar to a Minnesota bill.

Please don't tell us that the ultimate goal of a great number of "legislators" is not the elimination of firearms from the American people.

4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:

(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;

(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or

(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.

5. Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.

Personally, I have no problem with the current NICS system. I have no criminal record to be concerned about. I would not have an issue with a cross reference to mental health records where those records indicate the "patient" is a danger to him/herself or others, OR if the patient has already been adjudicated by a court as being a danger.

What I object to is any "registration" scheme. Registration is nothing more than a precursor to confiscation. While you say that is NOT the desired objective, I will tell you that might not be the desired objective NOW, but what about the next administration, or the one after that? Once the government knows where everything is, what is to stop them from making "modifications" to the laws and seizing them?

Wrong Bob.

Ever seen this administration , (or any other for that matter)enact a single law? Not followed by even MORE? Regardless of the FACT that they are not only proven not to work but are in most cases total redundant as well as being detrimentally in the long run?

Thats great news out of Colorado,a fellow cant do much damage with 15 shots from his pistol and 8 rounds of 00 buck in his pump gun.The world is truly safe and Coloradans can sleep better tonight.

This will do nothing,does not address the problem,and only guarantees that when this dont work,they'll be back for more restrictions.

.Pure 100% feel good bull$hit laws.

kingkw

ok but why would they restrict the rounds of a shot gun to eight rounds. Most shot guns only hold 3 or 4 shells

Ding...Ding.....Ding....we have a winner here!!!

the bill in missouri is already DOA

lilbear68

the bill in missouri is already DOA

EXACTLY but that won't stop the MASS HYSTERIA!!!

queenie

shotguns are plugged to 3 rds for waterfowlers its easily removable and then your good for 5-6 rds

also on the hi cap mags, any competent shooter can switch mags in less that 1 sec so a 5 rd or a 10 rd mag will make very little difference

Expect those Legislators in Colorado & Missouri to be voted OUT of office the next election go around. I don't see that any of those type of laws will be tried in my home State of Texas. This Saturday is Gun Owners Day of Vengeance. There are 8 rally sites in Texas. Look for a rally site in your State. Gun owners ALL need to be recognized & heard. These idiots committing these crimes do NOT represent the typical law abiding gun owner.

lilbear68

queenie

shotguns are plugged to 3 rds for waterfowlers its easily removable and then your good for 5-6 rds

also on the hi cap mags, any competent shooter can switch mags in less that 1 sec so a 5 rd or a 10 rd mag will make very little difference

yes I understand and you just made my point for me!!!!

queenie

on another note its true the mass hysteria has started but not everyone has to join in. and lets all remember what our favorite VP said recently 'we have to pass more laws because we dont have time to enforce the laws we already have' and this from the #2 nitwit in the country

lilbear68

While I know many have said the Missouri bill is DOA.... it is in point of fact still a viable piece of legislation that has not been voted on.

And regardless of whether it is DOA or not, it IS indicative of what some legisators want and will continue to propose until they fidn the magic year when a sufficient number of others agree with them, or they use legislative procedures to circumvent the will of others.

Bob, Excellent post. The only thing they didn't address that they should have is psychological screening for applicants and immediate family members. Deerhunter, Gun owner's day of vengeance? Only in Texas, who has just taken over Florida's spot as the Psycho capitol of the United States, possibly the world

Do YOU need a "psychological screening" to enjoy any of the other Constitutional Rights? From your post, it might in fact be advisable.

XDm, I wouldn't be afraid of one, would you?

Yes I think she's partly responsible.....he knew it too.....he killed her first with a shot to the face...NOW that's personal!!!

of course...she did everything in her power to help little Adam...even sleeping outside his locked bedroom door while he was sick and answering every question put to him when he visited the barber

She took him to the shooting range so that he would become more well-adjusted and even kept an arsenal of weapons at his disposal so that little Adam wouldn't feel insecure....

..."Mother of the Year" material

I am always amazed when I read the comments to gun violence. Most of the time the shooter was not a gun owner but a thief and criminal. This kid was a criminal no matter what his mental state was.

As for basking in the glory he went out basking in the glory he went out knowing that we will talk about him and there will be a monument for the kids that is forever tied to his name. The biggest single worry these guys have is that someone will shoot them before they have the opportunity to shoot anyone. Then they will be remembered as the idiot that got shot, if he is remembered at all. That is why they go to gun free zones.

If you don't think gun free zones invvite criminals then put a sign in fromt of your house that reads. I believe all guns should be banned. I do not have guns and will not shoot people. Then wait and see.

I don't care if they do more back ground checks on gun owners and it will not stop any of this. They are not gun owners. So really we should do back ground checks on non gun owners right. Yes I also believe it is not possible. So we do what is possible knowing it will have no effect.

You have to protect schools like you protect the president because we banned guns there. Then no one will get shot right? Wrong because Presidents got shot despite all the protection.

Life has risk and we have to deal with that first. The question is how much risk can we tolerate. In our effort to eliminate risk we created gun free zones and in the process increased risk for the most vulnerable amongst us kids. If anyone is responsible for what happened in Newtown it is not the mother not the idiot that did it. It is those that passed the law and their supporters who made schools gun free and a target for these idiots without adding the protection they need since they can not defend themselves.

Exactly, the armed guard at Columbine worked so well.

The armed guard at Columbine would have worked,had he actually been inside the school,and not out back,eating lunch, watching out for cigarette smokers.

Its intellectually dishonest to say the armed guard at Columbine did no good,he was not even in the building.

A bank guard does no good if hes at the deli down the street.

Its intellectually dishonest to say the armed guard at Columbine did no good,he was not even in the building.

It's not that big of a building, pal, easy walking distance for a situation where he should have come running.

He was there.

He was in the building or not in the building?

I'm not your pal.

He was in the parking lot. That obviously demonstrates that having an armed guard on campus was ineffective.

Pal.

You keep calling him "pal" and you are going to need an armed guard, I hope he too is in the wrong place at the right time, timmy.

BTW, there is nothing 'intellectually dishonest' about simply disagreeing with someone.

You cant deny access to a building if you are in the parking lot.

Minutes lost catching up cost lives,the fact that he was there minimized the damage,to say he made no difference is wrong.

I'm still not your pal,cupcake,find another boyfriend.

His presence had no impact whatsoever. That's the point.

Sorry to disappoint you, pal, but I'm not your type.

He was present on the grounds of the school. He was present on the Earth too. He wasn't in position to stop or impede the killers. perhaps they had planned it that way. Much like a sky marshall, it should be difficult for anyone other than the staff to know who the "hidden" armed guard at any school is.

timmy, are you looking to get your ass kicked? pal?

I had the impression that the whole purpose for having an armed guard on campus was to mitigate precisely this type of scenario, was it not? There was one on campus. It didn't work. Is that clear enough, Einstein?

If you think your juvenile threats will win your argument for you, you are mistaken. If anything it only compromises your pro-violence position all the more.

cupcake,am I to take it that the point you are trying to make ,is that armed guards would not work at any school under any circumstances,or just that they did not work at Columbine because of tactical errors?

and you probably agree with the NRA position that the armed guards should be inside the school,so the same errors that were made at Columbine wont be repeated,right?

Or do you believe we should pass some new gun laws and wave them at the psychos while they mow down the kids?

Or a third position?

or no position?

Armed guards have no business in schools - they're a waste of money and time because they don't work.

How about an example of one that did?

Seems to work pretty well at all the federal,state and local government offices that utilize armed guards INSIDE the buildings.Someone might get shot,but not 20 unarmed,unprotected victims.

Lets be honest,you like the fact that those kids are unprotected,they give you incidents of mass slaughter that you can grandstand on,just like your president.They are the anti gunners "gift that keeps on giving".

If guards stop the psychos from shooting up the unarmed and unprotected,you will have no bodies to climb up on and preach your gospel of gun control.

If guards stop the psychos from shooting up the unarmed and unprotected,you will have no bodies to climb up on and preach your gospel of gun control.

Yes, that's right, I'm a bloodthirsty gun grabber. How idiotic. The fact is, I simply have enough brains to recognize that gun violence has everything to do with guns. It's not that complicated.

But turn your silly assertion around and we see that it's the gun proponents who refuse to take any responsibility for the carnage by keeping their toys out of the hands of potential killers, even when it only means fixing problems with the existing background checking system, or registering their guns. You accuse others of celebrating gun violence when in fact it's the gun people that do so supposedly in the name of the 2nd Amendment, again and again. In psychology, that's called projecting.

It is a statistical fact that the availability of more guns correlates with more gun violence (Hemenway, Harvard School of Public Health, et al)

Yes, that's right, I'm a bloodthirsty gun grabber.

Thats the only logical conclusion I can draw from your resistance to putting armed guards in schools to protect our children,it works in federal buildings,banks,state government buildings,etc,etc....but it cant work in schools?Sorry,if the shoe fits....you know the rest.

Both the arguments you give above for not guarding the children in schools are totally bogus,"it wont work".....

lets try and find out,it works for the politicians kids

"it cost too much".....wah wah

they find money whenever they need it,if Obama proposed that bill right now....who would vote against appropriating money to save the children?

The dead kids are no more than a useful "tool" for you and what you desire.

Thats the only logical conclusion I can draw from your resistance to putting armed guards in schools to protect our children,

...if that's the only logical conclusion you can draw then you should work on your critical thinking skills, but then, your entire position on gun regulation already stands as evidence of that shortcoming. To wit:

It's not just about the schools. So, next I suppose we should put armed guards in theaters and churches and malls and gas stations and convenience stores and grocery stores and restaurants and public parks and office buildings and on and on. What an idiotic strategy, all in the name of catering to a minority of gun owners, and especially when it has been proven again and again that qualifying access to guns fixes the problem with only minor inconvenience to gun owners.

Our schools deserve better, and so do our kids. And so does the rest of the population - the majority of us who don't have or want guns, and shouldn't have to have them just to defend ourselves against the criminals and lunatics who have such open access to them thanks to the irresponsible patchwork of existing laws.

In study after study, and country after country, gun violence is shown to be the direct result of inadequate controls on who is qualified to have access to guns, and the ability to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't get them in the first place - people who do get them now in the U.S., quite easily. More guns means more gun violence - that's a fact. And thus, it's harder to buy a used car than it is to buy a used gun.

And finally, how ironic that the same people who claim to need guns to defend themselves against a police state are the ones who propose that the solution is to create a police state.

That's what I call critical thinking. Not.

Thats a great diatribe,but just tell me the real reasons you oppose armed guards in schools,since that works for important people's kids.

The reasons you oppose protecting our children in the schools is bogus,so whats the real reason?

Also on a side note,more machetes means more machete violence,and I didn't have to go to Harvard for that conclusion.

Just check Rwanda genocide.

I'm glad you liked it. Now if you would actually listen we might get somewhere.

Guns are used to kill more people in the U.S. than all other weapons combined. so your machete comment is meaningless.

There is nothing wrong with my reason for opposing armed guards in schools, namely, it doesn't work. It is not an effective solution. Beyond that, the problem goes far beyond school shootings, since most gun violence has nothing to do with schools. The problem is gun violence and the root cause is guns, and their ready availability. That is the problem that needs to be addressed, not creating some kind of dystopian police state simply to avoid inconveniencing gun owners. It's time they took some responsibility.

Most illegal guns are acquired legally - via private sale or straw man sales, and not by theft. Close the background check loophole and cut off the supply. Register guns so we can trace the origins of guns used illegally. Do so at the national level and cut off the interstate black market.

It's not complicated unless you have a desperate, pathological need to have a gun regardless of the consequences to others. For that affliction, I have no sympathy whatsoever. Get over it.

There is nothing wrong with my reason for opposing armed guards in schools, namely, it doesn't work. It is not an effective solution

Bogus reason,works for Obama's kids,politician's kids,VIP's kids,works at the schools in Israel to keep out the terrorist,but wont work here because you dont want it to work.

"Most illegal guns are acquired legally - via private sale or straw man sales, and not by theft. Close the background check loophole and cut off the supply. Register guns so we can trace the origins of guns used illegally. Do so at the national level and cut off the interstate black market".

The BATFE and Justice Department has lost thousands of guns to the Mexican cartels,no paperwork and no program to recover them.

What the he!1 good is a civilian program to track transfer and registration of firearms because they might lose one to a criminal,if the US Government is going to lose them to criminals by the thousands?

OH! thats right,we'll do better next time,it wont happen again.

You keep your government"safety" programs and I'll keep my constitutional rights,thanks.

Just because you don't understand something, that doesn't make it 'bogus' to the rest of the world.

And you don't.

I guess that's my real shortcoming in the critical thinking department that you pointed out

I didn't realize,with my limited worldly education that Mr Important Tim spoke for

"the rest of the world

it must truly be an honor and sometimes a great burden to speak for the world,and I am so grateful that you could take time out from speaking for the world,to spend some time with me.

Tim,think about this,I only speak for me,my opinion is my own..right or wrong,it's mine.

but if you really and truly believe that what you think and believe is the opinion of the people in the whole world,and what anybody else thinks is wrong,because you ,and you only represent the right and proper opnions of the world,then

you need to seek help,that is some kind of delusion

you represent you

and that is the only person you represent,not the world

get help.

Thank you for providing an example of your reading comprehension deficit. I obviously wasn't speaing for anyone else. Like I said, you just don't get it.

Duh.

There is nothing wrong with my reason for opposing armed guards in schools, namely, it doesn't work. It is not an effective solution

Bogus reason,works for Obama's kids,politician's kids,VIP's kids,works at the schools in Israel to keep out the terrorist,but wont work here because _______________?

Then speak for yourself,quit tap dancing and answer the question.

It didn't work at Columbine, or Virginia Tech, two of the worst cases ever. Armed guards can always be out gunned, unless you're looking for an arms race, which would be stupid. Beyond that, Obama's kids and other high profile examples are a false equivalency. They are under much greater threat, and have a much lower ratio of guards to kids, or are you proposing one armed guard for every kid? Because that would be stupid. It's simply not a viable solution to anyone with any sense.

Secondly, it's not just about schools. Mass shootings happen in all sorts of public places: malls, office buildings, churches, restaurants and on and on. As I said before, how ironic that those who insist we need guns in defense against the threat of a police state also propose the solution to the resulting escalation in gun violence is to create a police state. Again, it's stupid.

Finally, the vast majority of gun violence has nothing to do with mass shootings, and no degree of guards will touch it. Most guns used to commit crimes are bought legally, primarily because the existing laws do nothing to prohibit it.

The root cause of gun violence is guns, and their ubiquitous availability. The solution is NOT more guns. It's better regulations to keep guns out of the hands of people who have no business having them in the first place?

Your problem, pal, is that you start with the one premise that rules out the only reasonable solution.

Our focus here,my good man,is very narrow,and we shall endeavor to keep it that way.

Keeping children safe from armed gunmen in gun free school zones.

Attacks at laundromats,movie houses and massage parlors can be addressed at some other point.

It didn't work at Columbine, or Virginia Tech

police"on campus" not in the building,not relevant to our discussion.

again I ask

There is nothing wrong with my reason for opposing armed guards in schools, namely, it doesn't work. It is not an effective solution.

Bogus reason,works for Obama's kids,politician's kids,VIP's kids,works at the schools in Israel to keep out the terrorist,but wont work here because _______________?

Forget about the rest of your dissertation,keep the focus narrow,in spite of how painful it might be.

, which would be stupid

Because that would be stupid

Again, it's stupid.

very interesting discussion technique,your professor at the college would be proud,or are you the professor?

You brought up other locations in 22.17, not me. Now you're suggesting armed guards equivalent to those provided for the President's kids? How many? And different solutions for the other possible settings where gun violence could arise? Like what, exactly? More guns? I sense a theme...albeit a one track theme... It won't work because more guns leads to more gun violence,not less. Read Hemenwy's "Private Guns, Public Health," for the details. That is your answer. Now tell us your solution for all the rest of the 85 people killed in the US EVERY DAY.

You don't get to narrow the scope just because you're losing the argument. The subject is gun violence, and the solution is not more guns.

Dont get frantic,just answer the question....

There is nothing wrong with my reason for opposing armed guards in schools, namely, it doesn't work. It is not an effective solution.

Bogus reason,works for Obama's kids,politician's kids,VIP's kids,works at the schools in Israel to keep out the terrorist,but wont work here because _______________?

the subject of this thread was armed guards in schools,starting at #22

keep on track,old boy

I did, although at this point I doubt you'll get it, even with a citation for a credible, objective expert on the subject. Interesting that you think we can provide an armed guard for every student in America, like we do for the President's kids. Brilliant. And as for Israel, they have far more strict gun control regulations than the U.S. does, including mandatory licensing, registration and background checks. And, in light of the Sandy Hook massacre, Israel is reported to be considering tightening gun control laws there. (Forbes, 12/20/2012).

It won't work because more guns leads to more gun violence,not less. Read Hemenwy's "Private Guns, Public Health," for the details.

Note: typo in the author's name: it's Hemenway, Harvard School of Public Health. Now answer mine, please:

Now tell us your solution for all the rest of the 85 people killed in the US EVERY DAY.

No...you have to tell me why having guns to protect one set of people's kids works to keep them safe

and having guns to protect other peoples kids for their safety"wont work"

thats your statement,justify it.

Now tell us your solution for all the rest of the 85 people killed in the US EVERY DAY.

dont change the subject,just answer the question

In an interview at the White House, hosted by Parents magazine and posted on Facebook, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said that when he wrote the “Biden crime bill” in 1994 as a senator from Delaware, it included the provision for putting police officers in schools. “We found that those school resource officers were of value in many schools,” he told the audience. “We haven’t been funding them of late. We think they should be funded.”

Think they'll be carrying sawed off broom sticks?

Well, I never said that. I said armed guards in schools won't work, and I backed it up. Just because you don't understand or approve of my answer that has no bearing. Read the book and get back to me.

I see. You don't actually have a solution for gun violence at all, as I thought. I've made my point.

No problem.

Sorry,you made no point and backed nothing up....stick your book where the sun dont shine and get back to me

No problem

www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57560761/israel-rejects-nras-guns-in-schools-claim/

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig.

- Robert Heinlein

See ya, Porky.

Maybe you should actually read the article,not just the headline, that you post as "proof"

what a fool you are,cant answer straight questions and post articles refuting your own position.

Guards are stationed not just at schools, but at many other public facilities, including bus and train stations, parking lots, malls and restaurants.

read the article next time,pinhead,have a nice weekend,maybe tell lots of people how you read books by fancy Harvard professors but cant read a news article.

What an A$$clown you are.

Of course I read the article, starting with the title, Israel rejects NRA's guns-in-schools claim, and including:

"Israel had a whole lot of school shootings until they did one thing: They [NRA] said, `We're going to stop it,' and they put armed security in every school and they have not had a problem since then," LaPierre said on the NBC News show "Meet the Press."

Israel never had "a whole lot of school shootings." Authorities could only recall two in the past four decades.

...and this:

Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor spelled it out.

"We're fighting terrorism, which comes under very specific geopolitical and military circumstances. This is not something that compares with the situation in the U.S," Palmor said.

...and this:

Gun lobbyists who might think Israel hands out guns freely to keep its citizens safe might be less enamored of Israel's actual gun laws, which are much stricter than those in the U.S. For one thing, notes Yakov Amit, head of the firearms licensing department at the Ministry of Public Security, Israeli law does not guarantee the right to bear arms as the U.S. Constitution does.

"The policy in Israel is restrictive," he said.

Interesting that you continue to insist you're right, even when the Israeli government itself is quoted directly as denying your specific claim, but don't let that stand in your way. But then, you also don't seem understand or admit that there is a difference between rampage shootings and terrorism. For someone so sure of themselves, there is a lot that you don't seem to understand.

For example, if you learned to read properly, perhaps Harvard wouldn't seem quite so 'fancy' to you. I assume Forbes and CBS News are too fancy to fit your requirements as a legitimate source too... But, as it is, you should be aware that you simply present yourself as some sort of rube.

Not that I'm saying you are one, of course. But if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...well, you know.

By the way, having presented my argument, what objective, empirical evidence or studies do you have to support your simplistic theory that guarding our kids against school rampages by the mentally ill, like the President's (at least one armed guard per child), or like Israel (which denies doing so) would have any effect at all?

Anything?

If not, then I've made my point and I'm done with the singing lessons.

Nice load of BS

Do they have guards in their schools or not?I dont really expect an answer from an over educated phony like you...but

do they have guards in their schools....yes or no?

Guards are stationed not just at schools, but at many other public facilities, including bus and train stations, parking lots, malls and restaurants.

Your reading skills are quite primitive,Tim,are you retarded?

ps...Israel also denies having nuclear weapons,but everybody knows they have them...when you hear statements from the Israelis,you have to consider the source,but I wouldn't expect someone as infantile in their reading comprehension to know that.

I dont really expect an answer from an over educated phony like you.

That's quite funny. In contrast, your own position is anything but an educated one, obviously, and a wide variety of sources that refute it therefore must simply be too educated. We wouldn't want our policies and laws to be too complex for the working class heroes like you to understand, would we?

Even the Israelis themselves specifically state that your theory about armed guards in schools is wrong, and yet you have the audacity insist you know better than them, and to ask if I'm retarded? Oh, right, they must be lying. Brilliant.

Meanwhile you've presented absolutely nothing to back up your half-baked theory.

It is to laugh.

You lost the argument, pal. You're just too stubborn, or slow to admit it. Good luck with that.

Seriously Timmy,you need to step back and look at this,I post that Israel has armed guards in their schools,and you refute that by posting an article that says,Israel has guards in their schools.

Are you on like Prozac or Buspar or some other drug?

Get help.

You lost the argument, pal. You're just too stubborn, or slow to admit it. Good luck with that.

I'll go away if you answer this question,yes or no

Does Israel have guards in their schools?

(I dont care if they are there to fix the rain gutters)

are they there?

Guards are stationed not just at schools, but at many other public facilities, including bus and train stations, parking lots, malls and restaurants.

yes or no

or is this the part where you declare victory and dont answer the question,like the true blue phoney that you are?

You lost the argument, pal. You're just too stubborn, or slow to admit it. Good luck with that.

Interesting way to lose....I post that Israel has guards in schools

you post an article that says Israel has guards in schools....and you win?

HAHA...big intellectual snob gets his clock cleaned by someone who doesn't use Grey Poupon.

Two other questions

#1-Did you attend University on a football scholarship?

#2-Were you issued a helmet?

you're a loser ,Timmy,make sure to tell your therapist how much you hate losing....hahah

You lost the argument, pal. You're just too stubborn, or slow to admit it. Good luck with that.

I must have read the whole story wrong,,,,, I thought HE took the gun to the school, I missed the part where the gun went all by it's self and did that horrible thing all alone.

Them darn guns!!..they just keep on jumping up and grabbing people and making them kill others!....wow........

a gun, apparently...has no conscience

JoeM- you will be waiting for a reply for a long time,as there is no rational defense for these new laws.

I can change the magazine on my Glock 9mm semiautomatic in 2 seconds. And that is considered slow. So lets recap: Lanza goes into a gun-free school filled with 5-6 year-olds. He kills a bunch of defenseless, terrified, little kids hiding under their desks. Now he takes let's say, 3 seconds to change his magazine which holds 8 rounds for example. So he does this 6 times perhaps. That's a whopping, 18 seconds! I never understood why he was not able to kill over a 100 kids.

Bottom line:

High-capacity magazines are in circulation in the millions. But even if they were miraculously all rounded up, it changes nothing. And high-capacity magazines are easy to make for many people. The mafia, criminals, and loonies will start a black market for these things if they are banned. Nothing will change.

I can't even get a spare magazine out of my back pocket in 2 seconds, much less pop off the old one and insert the new one. More power to you.

Anyway, 26 people were killed at Newtown. If Adam Lanza had twice as many clips with half as many rounds is it possible that only 25 die? 24?

At Columbine High, Klebold (depressed and suicidal) had thirteen 10-round magazines for his Hi-Point 9mm carbine; Harris (the psychopath) had the 9mm Intratec DC-9 with 28-, 32-, and 52-round large capacity magazines. I've no clue who slaughtered more kids.

We can't make things perfect. Can we make them better?

dear lord....no one is changing the Constitution.....seriously....

Obamy and the anti-gun nuts are working on it..

he can not change the Constitution, oh he tried, but the 2nd also said can not be infringed, any court would trow @!$%# out, we should even have to carry a permit, but they got that one, i myself will not register a fire arm either. that is also my right, i bought it and they have the numbers, thats all. you should be able to carry right on the hip, but the idiots sooner or later will win, i already signed over all my weapons to my son and granddaughter, this way they can keep them until they die, not just me. and yes it is still legal to do it.

No one in any public office has even hinted at changing the Constitution.

tim-2799493

No one in any public office has even hinted at changing the Constitution.

OMG now don't start talking the TRUTH...it's not on the menu today!!!

Seriously peeps...show me ONE credible link where anyone wants to alter the constitution???

He/they can't change the constitution... maybe... but what is the definition of the "arms" that we are entitled to bear? Clinton redefined "sex" right? And what is an "assault weapon?" In my book anything can be deemed an "assault" weapon if you "assault" someone with it right?

All they have to do is state that the "arms" we are allowed to bear is a fork no longer than 8in.... da da! No more guns right? And them criminals will all turn their guns in....or modify them to hold more rounds.... or cut the barrels....of file the sear pin...... of alter the "low cap" magazines.......

Gun control is a joke.

All evidence in every other industrialized country on Earth to the contrary, right?

Check out Switzerland Slappy.

Liberals. God love em! LOL!

Switzerland has gun control! There is a difference between gun bans, and gun control...

U.S. gun homicide rate is 7 times that of Switzerland, which as Jack points out does have better gun regulations than the U.S.

If we could implement regulations like Switzerland we'd have a chance at reducing gun homicides by up to 85%!

@Tim: U.S. gun homicide rate is 7 times that of Switzerland, which as Jack points out does have better gun regulations than the U.S.

If we could implement regulations like Switzerland we'd have a chance at reducing gun homicides by up to 85%!

OR we could admit that we don't live in a country that is 93% homogenous, has no dangerous borders, and isn't the size of two New Jerseys. Oh, and has mandatory conscription. I'm SURE that lots of people want that back!