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One of the two suspects who was the subject of an intense manhunt following a shootout with detectives at a West Kendall, Fla., home has been found dead in an apparent suicide, police said Wednesday.
Miami-Dade Police confirmed that the body of Dell Peter DiGiovanni was found in the area of Southwest 48th Terrace and Southwest 147th Place, as officers conducted a massive manhunt following the Tuesday night shootout.
The discovery came just hours after a burned body was found inside the home in the 15400 block of Southwest 57th Street where the incident began. The body found in the home hasn't been identified.
Police had been searching for Digiovanni, 50, and relative Michael Steven DiGiovanni, 28, following the shooting that happened around 7:15 p.m. when detectives approached the home and came under fire from the suspects.
VIDEO: West Kendall House On Fire Morning After Shootout
As detectives returned fire, the house caught fire, police said. None of the officers were injured.
A third suspect, Brian Kelly Howell, 29, was taken into custody after officers set up a perimeter from Miller Drive to 64th Avenue and from SW 142nd Avenue to SW 157th Avenue, Miami-Dade Police said.
Police had said Dell and Michael DiGiovanni were said to be on the run and likely armed and dangerous.
Miami-Dade Police spokesman Alvaro Zabaleta said the suspects were related but the exact nature of their relationship was unknown.
Zabaleta had earlier said there was still a possibility that someone, including one of the suspects, could be inside the house that was set on fire.
"We have not been able to enter or process the house itself because of the fact that it's still considered to be unsafe, fire has not been able to get to it because it's still too hot," Zabaleta said Wednesday.
When officers and firefighters entered the home Wednesday morning, they discovered the body.
Police said it wasn't immediately clear if all of the men shot at police. Narcotics units were investigating a possible grow house at the home, police said.
Cop Stabbed By Escaped Prisoner Returns to Miami
"These individuals obviously attempted to kill an officer so the very minimum you're gonna have attempted murder on a law enforcement officer," Zabaleta said of the charges they'll face.
Neighbor Rodrigo Ruez said he heard what sounded like automatic guns and backup fire.
"It sounded like the world was ending because everybody was panicking, 'cause everybody heard the shootings,” said Ruez, who was minutes away from his home when he heard the gunshots.
VIDEO: West Miami-Dade Shootout Caught on Camera; Suspect Arrested
Smoke had billowed out of the burning home late Tuesday and into Wednesday morning as Miami-Dade Fire Rescue personnel waited in the area, ready to move in at a moment's notice.
Dozens of police officers were on the scene Tuesday, some of them walking around with rifles.
Some West Kendall residents were kept away from their homes as police searched. Ashley Diaz, like dozens of people, could not get into her home.
She said she was coming back from Target when she found her way blocked, so she stopped at a gas station – where she had been ever since.
“We’re stuck. We can’t go that way, we can’t go that way,” Diaz said, pointing in opposite directions.
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The perimeter mostly impacted two housing developments in the area – Lakes of the Meadows and Westwood Lakes.
"This is where I live, and it’s just not safe anymore," said displaced resident Anthony Guzman. "People have kids growing up here. It’s not right.”
This story was originally published on Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:59 PM EST
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I see the anit-gun fanatics are out in force once again by trying to make us good citizens who own firearms somehow tied to BS like this. Guess they still haven't figured it out yet. Go after the criminals/nut jobs and leave us good folks alone in your misdirected crusade.
Tomorrows MSNBC headline story "6 year old boy threatens brother with Nerf gun".
My son has one and he pegs me every time I turn the corner.... I am sure there are people that think somehow this will influence him to be a mass murderer when he grows up. But I am fairly certain that water guns and Nerf guns do not lead to psychotic tendencies.
Mom,
Agreed. I grew up playing all of the "gun" games kids played: cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, WWII, Civil war, had little soldiers, etc.
I am ex-military, own many guns and have never fired them at anyone outside of war.
So much silliness.
but some people never grow out of it!
jerry,
That means that others will never be shot at by people like me, then. Sounds good.
Some people will never grow out of it.
Yes liberals do have a very hard time growing up... Kinda like when you stop smoking pot and get a job. IS 30 years old too soon for that? Better ask obama.....
Sometimes it is okay to act like a kid, I love having water gun fights, snowball fights, dancing like lunatics around the house, or pretending we are in a musical and sing everything we say. Wearing our hats from Long John Silver's or Steak n Shake into the grocery store. My kids love it.
But DrAlchemy you are correct, I know too many people that will never grow out of the stage of quitting pot and getting a "real" job. Some one always owes them something for nothing. But there also the people that have forgotten how to have fun.
anyone else see interview of guy who survived theatre shooting in Aurora, IF ar15 was used , Why does he still have numerous pellets in his body ??
Exactly......the shooter used handguns,a shotgun,and an AR15....but it seems the media is only out to villify the AR15,the truth be damned.
Maybe because that AR-15 was in the shooter's car trunk, not in his hands. Or was that Sandy Hook?
Yep and then we could get started on the multitude of lies surrounding Sandy Hook where actual live news coverage was shown while police retrieved the AR15 from the car trunk,and the next day the news report was changed to include the AR15 as the weapon used.
the video that i saw clearly showed a shotgun being pulled from the trunk of the car.
but you are correct that the entire first day they were saying that only handguns were found inside the school and that the AR-15 was found locked in the trunk. the next day things were changed around.
The news media is not here to report the TRUTH!
They are a propraganda machine for the Government to control you!
Martial Law is coming, get ready!!!!
I saw that interview and wondered how he had pellets in him if they said it was an ar, then remembered who was teling us it was an ar.
Hell Biden is encouraging people to buy a shotgun,a double barrell shotgun so that way you will have 2 shots as compared to your intruders 17 rounds and not to mention maybe there might be multiple bad guys you are facing someday. But hell if Biden says a double barrell is good enough,he must be right huh? But I am sure his security team doesnt carry double barrell 12 gauges or smooth bore muskets,LOL.
A shotgun can make a mess though.
Agreed Ulysesses, a shotgun is part of my armory for home defense as well as hunting,but its not the only weapon I would want if my family was in jeopardy.
Mine too. Along with several strategically place handguns and rifles.
Nothing like the sound of a pump shotgun racking one into the chamber to let your opposition know they might have made a bad decision f'ing with this guy.
Biden is simply, terminally stupid. He is not ignorant; ignorance can be cured. This guy is truly nuts.
He is the one reason Obama cannot be assassinated; then Biden would be president. Good Lord!!!!
While i prefer a shotgun over most other weapons for defense IN my house, it is only 1 of many defensive items that i own
and if someone is breaking into my house i'm not going to give them the chance to hear the shotgun being racked to try and scare them. if a criminal is attempting a forcible entry into my house then i'm not there to try and scare them, i'm going to try my best to make sure their entry is prevented and the threat is stopped.
Biden is to Obama what Ed McMahon was to Johnny Carson.
Ulysesses,
Why bother with the warning sound of a shell being chambered? If I am in a situation with an intruder, they will receive a warning blast because the shotgun is stored on safe with a round already chambered.
right hoops, he also said to shoot two rounds in the air to scare them away, this guy is mental. That's right waste those shots and go find the ammo,now where is it again?
Anyone firing into the air without there being a conceivable threat (to scare someone) will be prosecuted for unlawful discharge of a firearm. Anyone firing into the air in the face of a conceivable threat (to scare someone) deserves whatever happens to them.
you should never, and i repeat never, pull your firearm and aim it at something or someone that you do not intend to destroy. you should never point a firearm at someone to attempt to "scare" them off. if your firearm has been raised and pointing at a threat, then it is your duty to stop that threat. you don't aim to disarm or to wound....you aim center mass to end the threats life and to protect your own
Just make sure to double-tap 'em! Maybe even triple!
obama will save us! Hahahahahahahah
"I said, `Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony ... take that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,"' Biden said. "You don't need an AR-15. It's harder to aim, it's harder to use and in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself."
Sounds like a stupid lib for sure!
Nah you fire a couple of rounds of bird shot into the air,and Im sure all the criminals will tuck tail and run. Or maybe hes thinking that once the secret service hears the shotgun blast,they will rush to defend Bidens family with full auto firepower?? Only thing is we dont have that luxury.
69,
That is right. Wonder why? Maybe it is because you do not have any significant value to be alive? Just guessin'...
tex2c,
Then why are you still alive?
Gee tex - I thought as humans we all have significant value. Is this more of the liberal progessive mindset at work?
Hint: Literal minds have a real problem with understanding the world around them. Get it?
"Literal minds"?
NC,
Look it up in your high school dictionary, you will be moved one point up on the intelligence meter if you understand what that means...
fox news headline from Michigan, Armed robbers met with ar15 Suprise , GOOD VIDEO
that happened, what, 4-5 days ago?? wonder why you didn't hear about that on the mainstream librel news??? perhaps it doesn't fit their anit-gun agenda????
where are the folks that have said there aren't any stories of these "scary guns" being used legally to protect citizens????? where o' where are they now???
Florida law clearly states that these guys legally fired on the cops. There is no doubt that they felt threatened and, therefore, are protected from prosecution by the Stand Your Ground laws of Florida. Anyone who thinks they are in the wrong is nothing more than an anti-Constitutionalist and should be prosecuted for treason themselves. The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States clearly says that you can shoot at anyone that is trying to take your freedom away.
Hey, gotta go, I just got a phone call that Walmart got a new shipment of guns...
tex,
The 2nd Amendment says criminals can shoot at cops while they break the law?
You should run, not walk, to the nearest padded cell.
Tex,
i'm sorry. i must have missed the part in the 2nd amendment that says criminals can shoot at LEO's that are attempting to prevent them from proceeding in their criminal activities.
criminals are giving up their rights to freedoms when they choose to break the law
wasneverhere and NC,
Please learn to read, it is a valuable asset in life. Not the Second Amendment, the Stand Your Ground laws passed by idiots in Florida and elsewhere. Studies conclude that in states where Stand Your Ground laws have been passed, the violent death by gunfire has dramatically gone UP!
tex2c,
Learn to think and use deductive reasoning (That will send tex to the dictionary....LOL).
It is good that those states with those laws have resulted in the deaths of more criminals. If they had not had those laws, more innocent people would be dead. All states need Stand Your Ground laws.
Tex,
So, you are saying that the Stand Your Ground Laws are idiotic?
so you mean that i should just allow an intruder into my home to kill me and possible rape and kill the rest of my family while i wait for the LEO's to arrive on the scene? are you saying that i don't have a duty to myself and my family to protect them at all cost? you sir, are an idiot of the highest order if you believe that i won't use deadly force to protect my personage, my family, or my property.
just like NC said, all states need to allow their residents to protect themselves if they feel that their lives are in danger. the all need a Stand Your Ground Law
you two are a joke on the public education system. If you look deeper than a meaningless NRA talking point into the Stand Your Ground laws, you will see that they state that you can use deadly force on ANYONE that you (no matter what your state of mind is) feel is a threat. These laws were 'lobbied' into state statutes using NRA big money (largely coming from the gun industry) by bribery and threats to state legislators. The rise in gun related deaths in those states that have passed these stupid laws are not limited to 'criminals' - lots of next door neighbors, family members, people in the check out lines at Walmart have been shot to death by mentally unstable gun carriers made heroic in their own minds by the Stand Your Ground laws.
Does stupidity seem like a good thing to you guys?
Want to bet that the guys shooting at the cops were not legal gun owners!!!???? Gun control keeping guns out of criminal hands!!??? Yeah right! Keep dreaming. Gun control will keep them out of LEGAL gun owner's hands!!!! Nothing more.
Want to bet they were not liberal obama supporters?
There has never been a gun used in a crime that was not originally put into society in an NRA supported purchase. Get it?
I seriously doubt that more than a very small fraction of guns used in crime ever had a darn thing to do with the NRA.
tex2c,
Proof please.
MK,
Really? Please elaborate on where those guns that were used in EVERY gun related crime came from? The fanatical representatives of the gun industry in the leadership of the NRA has been promoting the sales of these weapons to anyone since they took over control in a contested battle in the early 1970's. DId you not know about that? Time to wake up, the dream of childhood is over and Roy Rogers has ridden off into the sunset.
tex2c,
It is our right. Too bad for you. Go cower under your couch.
These were DEFINATELY oblowhole supporters
That is just what the NRA has been brainwashing you into believing.
Please explain any other possibilities. Thanks..
tex2c,
No, The 2nd Amendment is very clear: it is our right. The NRA just quotes it.
Other possibilities? I already told you: stolen or sold to them by a criminal dealer.
You need to get out more often. Get an education Get a job. Do NOT have kids.
There has never been a gun used in a crime that was not originally put into society in an NRA supported purchase. Get it?
NRA supported purchase? I have always bought my own guns. I didn't know they has discount coupons. All this time & I have paid full price. That sucks.
The lax laws regarding the purchase of guns and ammo have largely been promulgated on the public by the bribery and bully tactics of the NRA. As a result, criminal elements in society have found it very easy to get their hands on all sorts of weapons.
All weapons used in crimes in America over the last 40 years came from a legal transfer of that weapon from the gun industry to the public. Show me a rational argument that this is not true!
If you read the ENTIRE 2nd Amendment you will see that the first part of the sentence that ends in the 'infringed' term talks about regulation of that right. The NRA has convinced its idiotic loudmouths that only the last few words of the sentence matters. Get it?
actually found .223 ammo yesterday $1 ea. I think I'll trade for .44 magnun ! And if you break in my house no more chance of ambulance ride, just call the coroner!!
The egg Sucking Liberals are using the Media to inflame the Public, They think that if "We tell them enough times that guns are causing this then we can take all guns away". In reality it is the Gun that makes people safe, The cities are unsafe because drugs are everywhere. put the Drug dealers and drug users in jail and keep them there.
Remember; God Guts and guns made America Free, at any cost keep all three.
In our area we have very few gun related crimes, due to the fact that everybody has a gun. no criminal wants to break into a home that may have some one who knows how to use a gun.
Criminals may be lazy but they are not stupid, They really do not want to be shot.
We should be enforcing laws already on the books instead of trying to make new laws that are not going to work any way.
Get rid of the Liberal rep you have in Washington and get an ultra conservative in there.
Get rid of all Federal Gun laws and let the local cities and States set their own ordinances.
LOL, LOL.
Now this is really funny. Did you see the weapons the cops are carrying? The news is saying "the officers have 'rifles' ".
When a citizen has that same weapon, the anti-2nd admendment people call it an "assault rifle".
LOL.
Arizona Tumbleweed
We meet again here on the streets of Laredo. I noticed last time your gun did not work, did you forget to put the bullets in it? I decided not to shoot you between the eyes because I could not stomach taking out such a pitiful sight.
You mean the folks who actually understand the meaning of the Second Amendment and the damage that has been done to America by right wing fanatics and their Heroes at the NRA sales group?
LMAO....
+++++++++++++++++
tex
You're assumptive bull sheenga is so typically weak it is transparent. You Demo-socialist sycophants have no idea about the gun-owning public.
I have NEVER paid $.01 to the NRA and until recently, had NEVER heard of Wayne LaPierre.
Get your head out the sand and realize that with respect to gun control ideology, you are out of your depth.
Good idea tex, (for you). Change the subject, if you don't have an answer. LOL.
tex2c,
Oh?
What does the 2nd Amendment mean? Tell us. LOL.
Ulysesses Everett McGill,
You may not be a member of the NRA and not know about LaPierre, but that does not take away form the damage they have been doing for 4 decades behind your back. You delusional gun fanatics are so easy to make fun of...
Tumbledmind,
We can only assume you are talking about the Second Amendment, right? I believe it is evident that it was YOU who alluded to the delusion that anyone who supports rationsl gun control is 'anti-2nd amendment'. Does confused come to mind when you look in the mirror each morning? LMAO...
NC, we will let the courts make that determination, but I would not be surprised if it not well-recieved by the right wing fanatics that live in hidy holes in Arizona.
You self-righteous gay rights fanatics are causing more damage to this country than gun owners.
I will hurt your sissy feelings if you want to continue.
tex2c,
What damage has the NRA done? Be specific IF you reply and keep your hysteria and rants to a minimum. Try to show some unbiased source that says the NRA has done any damage.
The NRA does a great job of protecting our 2nd Amendment rights and is the only national entity that promotes and teaches gun safety.
The USSC has already spoken on this issue and more than once. They disagree with you. YOU LOSE!!!!
Calm down or you will bust your corset.
I do not live in AZ...or North Carolina
TEX,
answer the question......what's your interpertation of the 2nd amendment??? i would love to hear it, or are you to busy insulting those that don't agree with you to have a rational discussion
Personally, I don't give a phuck about Tex's interpretation of the 2nd amendment. I would guess he/she's not a legal scholar. I'll go with SCOTUS. They get paid for it.
tex has no idea about much of anything, it seems.
More kool-aid, tex?
Ashley...
put down the pipe, and put the mirror away. Go take a nap and when the drugs wear off, come back and have a rational discussion.
sheeple,er i mean tex, what do you know about the second that we don't? Ashley, you must be lining yourself up with the criminals as you will not support enforcement of existing laws.
Ashley.
Your conspiracy theories only make you look more nuts.
I see that deductive reasoning is not your long suit.
What is an assault weapon? What are the characteristics?
You a big support of abortion?
Ashley,
Go sue McDonalds for heart disease, liberal loser!!
Ashley,
quit passing the blame off on others, the blame should be placed on those that actually commit the crimes. you librels are always trying to make someone else the blame for all the ills of society other than the person that is directly responsible.
please stop and go educate yourself
Ashley,
You've been in the 69 position for to long.
Ashley, don't these fanatic loudmouths add to the argument that guns should be regulated as is stated in the 2nd Amendment? They are their own worst enemies when all they can come up with are lame insults to win an argument they clearly are on the wrong side of.
NC, please explain where the guns used by the criminals come from originally. Could it be from weakened 2nd Amendment defined gun regulation? We are waiting.
tex2c,
Stolen.
Now answer my questions......
Stolen from whom?
Here I will help you a little: from people who bought them at gun shows, gun stores, online, etc. There are no guns currently running around the streets of America that did not originate through legitimate transactions weakened by NRA marketing propaganda.
Stolen from gun owners and businesses. That is not a legitimate transaction. Words have meanings. Learn them.
Who says that ALL illegal guns originated THROUGH legitimate transactions weakened by NRA proponents?
Sources please. Stolen guns are not acquired legitimately.
Maybe you should get a job..that requires little thinking. Surely there are openings for you somewhere. You know, a "Cowards Wanted" sign?
You still have not answered my questions listed for you on page 3.
If they were stolen from gun stores, they were transferred to those guns stores by legal transfers. Does the gun industry give a flying shift if those guns were actually paid for by legal sales at the gun stores? If you think they do, please turn in your guns now.
Please go back and attempt to understand that the original transfer was done under weakened gun regulation laws as a result of demands of the NRA.
As you try to understand the entire picture here, please do not leave out the 'well regulated' wording of the 2nd Amendment. Thanks for your pitiful attempts at thought anyway.
Page 3 - ????, I have answered every one of your third grade questions that can be interpreted into the English language.
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The DiGiovanni father and son act?
Relatives of Houdini, maybe?
It would be good if the anti-gun people would just respect the pro-guns peoples' right to own a gun as much as the pro-gun people respect the anti-gun peoples' right not to own a gun.
It's called jealousy or fear. They aren't allowed to own guns, so they want the rest of us dis-armed.
MK-717941
This is one of the most ignorant statements made in the argument for rational gun control yet! By your logic, if you have a bomb in the church house and I don't, i should respect your right to have it there because you respect my right to not?
Weed,
Believe, me it is not out of 'jealousy' that rational people want to limit access of high capacity magazines and assault weapons from people like you.
Rational people want fanatical, unstable gun owners to be limited in certain weapons because they are fanatical and unstable, that is all. There is no support for high capacity semi automatic weapons anywhere in the Second Amendment. The gun industry and its desire for profits coming from delusional children has spun this out of thin air.
Sorry, but I think you may be showing signs of instability and irrationality by your statements. And here I am in Afghanistan at this very moment, on the side of preserving your right to your opinion. You won't change my mind and I won't change yours. The difference is I don't care if you don't change your mind. Soldiers and policemen will always fight to make sure you have the right to your opinion. I'm not asking you to fight for my rights, just let me have my rights and I'll let you have yours. P.S. Sorry, but you're too late to keep the high capacity magazines, etc. out of my hands. I just requalified today to keep on carrying here in Afghan. It seems to be okay with the military here if I continue carrying the "assault" stuff. Hope you can live with it.
tex2c,
What is high capacity?
What is an assault weapon?
What arms are limited by the 2nd Amendment?
Over 80 million gun owners weapons killed no one yesterday...or for decades before yesterday.
You sound pretty upset. Are you getting foamy? Flecks of spittle on your screen?
NO GUNS FOR YOU!!!!!
Tex,
I have a great big wiener and you don't but I support your right to get sex change and be Ms. Tex.
Bye Bye - Gotta go back to work, earn money, pay taxes so you can get your welfare check.
Tex,
where in the 1rst amendment does it support freedom of speech on the internet, TV, Hollywood, etc. ? answer...it doesn't specify. just like the 2nd amendment doesn't specify which firearms that i'm allowed to carry...only that my right to bear arms shall not be infringed
mk- thank you for your service protecting our rights(even this knucklehead texs'), stay safe.
Tex,
You and those like you have no right to tell anyone what they can and can not do to protect themselves and thier families!
Boy, are the self righteous and sanctimonious fanatics alive and active today... LMAO....
And regulated, read the entire Amendment. LOL
But we do have the right to regulate your access to lots of weapons that would be proliferated into society by the NRA and its bosses if they were not outlawed by rational regulation. Do sawed-off shotguns, fully automatic weapons, and hand grenades come to mind?
My right to First Amendment right of free speech has nothing whatsoever to do with what is happening in Afghanistan. What are you doing there anyway if you are not part of the military? Making money?
Subject to inspection by an unbiased observer. Pull your 'wiener' out at the next gun show and then get back to us! LOL
If you don't already know what high capacity and assault weapon means, you should not be allowed to own ANY weapon, let alone a weapon that has no redeeming value except to kill lots of people in a public place. Anyone who argues that Bushmasters are viable weapons for home protection or hunting clearly needs medication and psychological help.
The question is not what is limited by the 2nd Amendment, the issue is what is protected by the 2nd Amendment. Get a new script, you are falling down on the job of jabbering the talking points of the NRA.
Clearly, what you think has no bearing on any discussion of the rationality of having 300,000,000 weapons on the streets of America for criminals to steal or buy at gun shows.
BTW, you are aware that LaPierre is a documented draft dodger, right? Patriotism just went in the trash can with you guys.
LMAO....
tex2c,
What? You can't answer? You don't know what is an assault weapon? Ar-15s are not military weapons. You do not have a clue as to what weapons are for.
What is protected by the 2nd? You do not know? I will answer: my right to have weapons is protected by the 2nd.
300 million weapons? Yes and we can have them. Your irrational fear does not limit me as to what I own.
Whene did YOU serve in the military, tex2c? Hmmmm???? Can't answer that one either, can you? LOLOLOLOL
so, tex2c, We win.......again. You....lose.......
But they are made to look like the military versions to sell to children like you who live with a Roy Rogers mentality. An AR-15 can be converted to fully automatic with a few parts you can pick up at the 'unregulated' gun show in your mall next weekend. The reason we call them ASSAULT WEAPONS is that they have no purpose other that not assault large groups of people in public places. They are a liability for home protection and useless as hunting weapons. Even the NRA talking points will tell you that...
The red herring about what is an 'assault weapon' (thrown out to you zombies by the NRA) does not wash, WE know what assault weapons are and what they look like. Get over it.
While we are on the subject of demanding answers to ignorant questions, when did you stop thinking? Before or after joining the NRA?
Tex,
see this is where you are wrong....no where in the 2nd amendment does it say that my right to bear arm be well regulated. it says we have the right to a well regulated militia AND the right to bear arms. 2 seperate items. some of you folks keep reading it wrong and try and interperat it to try and fit your anti-gun agendas
In District of Columbia vs. Heller 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home
AR-15's are not military weapons and they do in fact have many other redeeming quailities other than, as you put it, "to kill a bunch of people in a public space". they are perfectly vialble to be used for hunting and defense purposes. just because your opinion is that they aren't, doesn't make it so.
i know exactly what an assault weapon is and exactly what a high cap mag is....the real question is, do you? that's really a rhetorical question as from reading many of your statements you clearly have no clue what you are talking about
and what is protected by the 2nd amendment....my right to bear arms
there all your statements answered.....would you please answer the ones that have been presented to you on several occasions just in this thread alone
tex2c,
And YOU may be made to look like a thinking human being. We see that is silly as well.
What is an assault weapon? Why can't you answer? How they "look"? Even you can't be this dense...can you?
tex2c, son...answer up.......
i have several knives in every room of my house so make sure your first shot takes me out in case i don`t get to my firearm. what? obama`s outlawing knives? good luck with that steak!
Liberal and gun control, HUGE OXYMORON
Probably gun abiding nra members.
What?
Don't worry , as long as they don't stop the drug trades, unneccesary prescription drugs, women drivers, sick people farting in public, etc., we are at risk...Trust in God and pray like hell...
9 days till fiscal sequester,where is congress ? out to lunch as usual. what makes liberals think I should trust my personal belongings to these idiots?
The president refuses to negotiate and he wanted sequester back in 2011. Uh oh!!!!! STILL NO BUDGET UNDER THIS JOKE OF AN ADMINISTRATION!!!!
you are correct NC
there isn't a budget, but they sure are about restricting legal citizens 2nd amendment rights
Guess that is the new thing. Burn the house down!
Ban fire!!!!!!
Fire is already banned in many places. Please read more...
tex2c,
Where is fire banned permanently? Show me.
Jesus, NC, get a life. Learn to use the internet and stop demanding that I hold your hand.
tex2c,
Prove your vacuous, false statements........ STFU.
You are a liberal, ergo, you do not believe in Jesus. Calling upon him for you is futile.
Have a nice day!
NC,
Chill, you are getting yourself closer to a brain bubble every post. Please rely on some other source for intelligent answers to your mindless questions other than me, I am not being paid to help you.
News blackout? I don't think so. The public needs to know just how out of control gun violence has become.
It IS out of control. Why will we not enforce our laws?
Racerbob,
the public also needs to know how legal citizens are protecting themselves, their loved ones, and their property from criminals who are perpatrating the majority of the gun violence in this country. yet the media won't air those stories because it doesn't fit into their anti-gun agenda. quit feeding into the lies of the mainstream librel media and go out and educate yourself
Once guns are distributed throughout the population it's effectively impossible to manage. Even allowing for nice, law abiding types there are plenty of people who could care less.
The sobering reality is that the gun industry could cease to exist this very instant and there would still be 250+ million guns in private hands in America. I doubt the violence will ever stop. Of course, if NRA Wayne has his way we will become an armed camp and everything will be just peachy keen neat'o fine.
Guns are such wonderful toys...
"Guns are such wonderful toys..."
see...there is one of the fallacies with your thinking. guns are NOT toys. guns are instruments or tools, much as the hammer and saw are tools of the carpenter. you are looking at it the wrong way if you think guns are toys and have just diminished your whole argument.
i doubt that the NRA wants an armed camp, as there are plenty of folks that don't need to be handling firearms. you are one of them if you think guns are toys
wasneverhere.
"Pay no attention to the man(aka NRA Wayne) behind the curtain..."
Racerbob,
i see that your deflection skills are pretty good. instead of engaging in a civilized debate with facts and common sense you are deflecting the real issues in this debate and blaming the ills of the world on people or things that aren't directly responsible for the violence in this country.
good job!
The NRA nor it's member are out perpatrating these acts of violence. why not enforce the laws that are already on the books and go after the criminals that commit crimes with guns with stiffer penalties? start clearing the streets of the criminal element and you will definitely have a greater impact on gun violence in this country than trying to ban an inanimate object
wasneverhere,
I know exactly what guns are. They are killing tools.
I also know that scads of people buy them for no other purpose than play. They shoot paper targets that look like people, they shoot pop bottles and watermellons all just for fun.
"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun..." Don't tell me NRA Wayne doesn't want a chicken in every pot and a gun in every home.
so with the quote by Wayne LaPierre, "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" you are assuming that he wants every citizen in the United States of America? that's a stretch of assumption on your part. there are plenty of folks that don't need to be armed, mainly criminals, the mentally unstable, and the ones that don't want to be. arming folks that don't want to be only presents a danger to themselves and others. please stop taking huge leaps of assumptions and lets deal with facts, logic, and common sense. or it that to much to ask of you?
what do you have against chickens? they are tasty animals
also, just for poops and giggles.... do some research on Kennesaw, Ga and their gun laws. do some research on crime in that are such as home invasions, murder, robberies, etc. you might be suprised to learn that those crimes are almost non-existence because the local government passed a law requiring every head of household in the city limits to keep and maintain a firearm and ammunition
please go educate yourself....that's all i ask
Bob,
They are tools, period. So are hammers. So are screwdrivers. So are cars. They can all be misused and kill.
Yes, guns have done far more good than bad.
We have a country due to guns and we have kept it because of guns.
RacerBob
Really??? I shoot paper targets for play? Not quite. I use paper targets for practice. That way, when I do need to use it, I can be assured I will hit what I aim at.
I've NEVER shot a pop bottle. I know some people have, but personally, I'll recycle the bottle instead of wasting it like that.
I WILL admit to shooting melons of varying types. I use them as training tools. It is an effective means to show a new shooter the damage that can be done. I do that to reinforce the knowledge that they are NOT // NOT "Guns are such wonderful toys..." New shooters, especially young people gain a profound respect for them when they see a cantaloupe or watermelon disintegrate before their eyes.
Firearms are much like any other tool. In the proper hands and used properly, they're wonderful pieces of craftsmanship, which when treated and maintained properly, can be handed down from generation to generation.
Why, may I ask, are the 80,000,000 (yes 80 million) legitimate firearms owners continually being harrassed and harangued by others that are really ignorant of firearms? Why aren't those so adamantly opposed to firearms really honest with themselves and admit that they are in fact opposed to the CRINIMALS and their misuse of a tool, but feel powerless against the criminals as they know whatever laws are passed, the criminals will continue to ignore them.
How about you pressure the PROSECUTORS to actually PROSECUTE the firearms violations, instead of tossing them during plea bargaining.
I have yet to see a member of the opposition (read gun fanatics and 2nd Amendment twisters) use a rational argument to support their position that it is just fine for the NRA to continue to pump paranoia into society in order to sell more guns that have no reason to be other than to kill lots of people in public places, you?
tex2c,
The 2nd Amendment says it all. You don't like it? Take it up with the Founding Fathers.
I already have their answers to your paranoid questions.
Next time you post, try to make it a coherent sentence.
Maybe it is because the criminals get their guns from the legitimate owners and we want to limit some types of guns that are available to the criminals? Just guessin' LMAO...
You want to own a handgun with a reasonable number of rounds, a shotgun for hunting or home protection, a rifle for hunting, go right ahead...The Second Amendment is currently being interpreted by the courts to protect that right.
If you demand to own a gun that has no value other than to kill lots of people in a public place, no way...The courts will rise up and stop you, watch....Tricks used by the gun industry and the NRA over the last few years to sneak these irrational weapons into your closet are going to be a thing of the past....soon....
tex2c2
Not paranoid. Prepared.
Please expand on how those of us who support the 2nd Amendment do so.
Do you have more knowledge about the Constitution and the underlying meanings of what was written than these men?
tex2c,
Wrong. Show me the sources other than stolen or someone selling to them illegally.
What is a "reasonable number of rounds"?
What guns only have the value to kill other people? Where do you get this nonsense that you spew?
USSC has already spoken. You lose. New York state is already backing down on their new, tough gun laws...because they are useless.
Calm your hysteria. We will continue to protect you.....
NC, please leave me out of your paranoid protection plan. I live 7 miles from pavement, 35 miles from the nearest town over 10 people and am adequately armed and trained to protect myself. I also recognize that giving people like you the right to own high capacity semiautomatic weapons that are more likely to end up in the hands of criminals or to kill someone in your own families rather than protect you from intruders is NOT A GOOD IDEA and is NOT supported by the actual wording of the 2nd Amendment.
tex2c
Of course you are adequately aremed and trained.......... ;)
Show me where the 2nd Amendment says anything that you claim. Liar.
NO GUNS FOR YOU!!!!!
And remember: get an education, get a job, and have no children.
@tex2c2
Obviously you have no way of making your traditional snide remarks concerning my post, which I also notice you conveniently ignored.
What's wrong? Don't have any LMAOs to amuse us with?
Are you unable to contradict what the WRITERS of the Constitution meant with your stellar intellect?
tex2c2.... I'm not LMAO... I'm laughing AT YOU.
OK. So how do you propose to sort out who should and should not own a gun? Is ownership just the domain of a special class, like White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Red Neck Conservative Republicans?
NRA Wayne doesn't want a robust qualification process. It would get in the way of business. Because, business is what it is all about. Cha-Ching...
As for all the good guns have done, ask the parents of the young lady in Chicago for their opinion. Or for that matter the families of other victims of gun violence.
Yes, there are a few cases where good violence might have worked, but at what cost? I guess another person's life is cheap as long as you can cower in fear behind your gun.
RacerBob
I fully endorse the NICS system. HOWEVER, I would like to see the HIPPA laws changed to permit a relational database cross-reference system to those that have been or are being treated with serious mental health issues. Admittedly, that is a difficult issue. Exactly WHAT would qualify as a serious issue.
I would also like to see SEVERE penalties for those caught with stolen firearms. 5 years to start sounds good.
Possess a firearm in the commission of a crime, 5 years (10 if stolen)
Brandishing a firearm in the commission of a crime 10 years (15 if stolen)
Use of a firearm in the commission of a crime resulting in injury 15 years per individual injured (20 if stolen) LIFE if the use results in death of ANY party of the crime, perpetrator or victim.
ALL sentences will be NON negotiable. NO plea bargaining. NO reduced sentences. NO time off for good behavior. ALL sentences will be served CONSECUTIVELY to any for the actual crime and stand alone from the crime. There will be NO "judicial discretion" regarding sentencing.
How's that for a start?
It takes the onus OFF the law abiding citizen, and puts it on the criminal element of society where it belongs.
OH.... I don't "cower in fear". I have no need to cower. I'm prepared for the vermin of society.
Much like I have fire extinguishers in my vehicles and homes, I have firearms which I carry. I sincerely hope to never need either again (and I HAVE used both before) but in the event I do need them I'll have them available, and not WISH I had them.
XDm9mm,
Not bad. There are some sticking points, however.
Our system of justice requires that a crime be committed before much of anything can be done. Once the bullet leaves the barrel the damage is done, it's too late.
As for HIPPA, I'll bet the ACLU would have a field day with that. What about those that are still below the radar, so to speak?
New York has aggressively been going after illegal gun possession but there is the potential for the ACLU to jump on that with all fours.
Finally, you may not believe me but I don't hate guns, per se. What I dislike is the fringe lunatic mentality that seems to have hijacked an otherwise respectable pastime. It is the interest of decent gun owners to support what ever it takes to bring gun violence to its knees. If not, the public will eventually demand a change. I doubt that nice, law abiding gun owners will like the result.
RacerBob
While NY might be aggressively going after the firearms, they are NOT going after the criminals with them.
As a former NYer, I was a resident when a court case was decided back in the 70's (or was it the 80's). The court found that it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL to prosecute a felon for ANY firearms related offense.
While it's convoluted when you hear it, it's actually pure logic as to the courts decision.
It is a felony for a convicted felon (and others) to possess a firearm.
All firearms in NYC require registration (the specific case was regarding NYC law).
To require a FELON to register his/her firearms is asking a FELON to self incriminate him/herself which is a direct violation of the FELONS 5th Amendment protection against self incrimination.
From that point on, while the vermin were in fact "arrested" for the crime, the firearms charges were immediately tossed during plea bargaining.
So yes, the charade continues and they "arrest" the bad guy, but they do nothing constructive to get them off the street.
Actually, the ACLU is in part responsible for the current situation as they were in the forefront of dismantling the mental health system in this country by attacking the Psychiatric Hospitals. Granted, there were some, Meadowbrook in New Jersey comes to mind, that should have been closed, but there were other Creedmore in Queens NY that were very effective.
Unfortunately, those borderline and seriously ill people now walk among us.
And as you note, our system of justice punishes people for their actions AFTER the fact. NOT before as some would like to do.
There are 80,000,000 legitimate firearms owners in this country. Can you explain to me why the Constitutional rights of 80 million people can be infringed on because of the actions of even 10,000 people, most of whom are already criminals?
Why? Maybe because I'm sick & tired of hearing about people being maimed and killed for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
As for Constitutional right, the Constitution was written by men, none of whom were infallible, just like us. They provided for a mechanism of change as circumstances warrant. Our country is not held together by the 2nd Amendment all by itself, as some would have us believe. At some point the people will demand change.
9,
You are doing such a good job of making yourself look like a fool, I do not need to address your mental incapacities...LMAO
NC,
Just to set the record straight, it is your responsibility to show the rest of America where the 2nd Amendment supports your demand to have irrational and useless weapons. Get it? If you don't get it now, you will soon.
I am retired so I do not need to get a job, I live the life you fantasize every night. All you will accomplish is to continue to read your NRA talking point reports and dream about your guns blazing at shadows in the dark....
I already have two well adjusted grown children who are clearly more mature and intelligent than you NRA fools. My guess is that they make more $$$ than you do as well, LMAO...
BTW, did I mention my career in the IT industry (with one of the first PhDs in Computer Sciences from a REAL university) since 1965 that allowed me to retire in luxury, comfort, and control of my life at the age of 30? Eat your heart out, gun fanatics and morons, your dreams are over.
@racer
when you make comments like " White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Red Neck Conservative Republicans", yes, it makes it sound as if you hate guns and legal gun owners. it also sounds like you just want to call others names that don't agree with your opinion. it sounds like you don't want to have a healthy discussion, but just push your anti-gun agenda.
now, some of the rest of your later posts sound like a more rational discussion
my thoughts are along the lines of what XD has already mentioned. i'm all for universal background checks and mental health checks. i'm also for stiffer penalties for those that illegally possess or use firearms. start taking the criminal element off the streets and keeping them off the streets and you will definitely see a decrease in not just gun violence, but all violence across the board. we are never going to stop all crime, but there are way to decrease those crimes
now, when you start talking about banning certain guns or limiting certain magazine sizes, thats where i draw the line. that's where you start talking about infringing on my 2nd amendment right and i say NO on that
Tex,
speaking of mental incapacities, here you are again. you still can't have a discussion without throwing insults at folks that don't agree with your opinions. how child-like
and to set the record straight...NO, its not my responsibilty to prove that i can own firearems. that right is given to me by the 2nd amendment. it is up to those that wish to infringe upon that right to prove i no longer need that right.
go re-visit the Supreme Court case, District of Columbia vs Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008).
wasneverhere
Reality supports the statement. If you are offended, please read some of the posts from your allies in the NRA crowd, who without the facts to support their foolish positions, rely on rudeness...
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Need I go on????
Quote from last sentence of article....
"This is where I live, it's just not safe anymore. People have kids growing up here. It's just not right".
People are not blind and they know who the riff-rafs are. If you feel unsafe where you live because of something suspicious inform the law before it escalates into a big problem where it becomes a problem for all.
Owning a gun is a right/privilage...Driving a car is also...I bet there are 1000 times as many people illegaly texting while driving ( and people are getting killed)than by guns....So in reallity, you have better odds of being hit by a car, stabbed, beaten,etc. than being shot...Throw in the number of abortions and you may just feel lucky to have been born at all...
legally owning a gun is a right. driving/owning a car is not....its a privilage. but yes, you are correct that the number of deaths caused by folks driving, legally or not, trumps the number of deaths caused by firearms.....especially those specific firearms that librels are trying to ban
WNH,
You seem to forget that the auto is also useful in getting your kids to school, the assault weapons are not. You deluded and brainwashed gun fanatics are so easy to laugh at...
tex2c,
What is an assault weapon?
Tools are used for the purpose the owner intends.
YOU do not say what can and can not be done with them.
Why can't you answer any questions?
Hmmmm???
NC,
he won't answer those question brother, because he doesn't have a legitmate argument. he's been presented with facts and still argues like a sullen child with emotions and name-calling
wasnever,
You are correct, but I do so love to assist him in showing himself to be the fool he is.
wasneverhere
What facts? You mean the same old talking points that the NRA put out in the 90's that have been repeatedly shown to be based on ignorance of the 2nd Amendment, deception, and lack of common sense?
This is not name calling, it is simply the obvious...BTW, I have already answered your questions where interpretable. Now answer mine: Where do you store your Roy Rogers outfits?
You would not recognize a legitimate argument if it were written on your cereal box...LMAO...
tex2c,
Your keeper is looking for you.
Go play with your......"gun"......if you can find it.
"fire has not been able to get to it because it's still too hot," Zabaleta said Wednesday."
Nice writing. They (Julia Bagg, Gilma Avalos and Steve Litz, NBCMiami.com) must be products of public schools.
I believe that was actually a quote from the Police spokesman. And it is not uncommon for them to refer to the firefighters as "fire".... it's just a way to shorten radio calls that continues into daily speech.
Criminals are not supposed to have guns now. They have not given them up now, what fool thinks outlawing all guns will make them somehow abide by the law then? Take all guns someone said. Ok, they will just make more in their basement. History has been written and no one listens. All governments become corrupt and overbearing in time. Our forefathers knew that and gave us the bill of rights before agreeing to form a large government. They knew first hand how governments bend to the will of money, power and corruption and they gave the citizens a way to ensure their freedom from tyranny. However, John Adams pointed out correctly that the Constitution was written only for a religious and moral people. So that is why all these atheists suck up all that bs from our government backed media. Don't worry, time is short. Enjoy it while you can. It will soon change and we will know first hand what our forefathers knew. That only a truly religious and moral people are responsible and trustworthy enough to govern themselves. All the rest need a savior dictator because they don't give a crap about the rest of mankind. Darwin's best have a "only the strong survive, and everyman for himself" mentality. As it was written, "Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
We just do not want to give criminals access to MORE guns with more sophisticated options. Save your religious rants for Sunday when the rest of your clan has time to listen. Thanks...
tex2c,
Then be careful with your guns and we will; not have to kick your derriere again.
Here is the odd bit. The anti-gun people can say all they want in protest of guns....as long as people with guns protect thier right to do so.
Wrong again, MK, what we on the rational side of this discussion want is for folks on your side of the discussion to start making sense and thinking about the consequences of your vacuous demands.
tex2c,
We already have. The USSC agrees with us.
Next......
Tex,
You are far from the rational side of this discussion. we've been making perfectly crystal clear sense. it's "your" side that doesn't seem to want to have a rational discussion. when presented with facts and common sense you hide behind deflection and name calling of anyone that doesn't agree with your opinions.
please go educate yourself