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Subscribe to RSSFirst it was marijuana, now legislators in Colorado are trying to legalize adultery.
That’s because the Centennial State is one of 23 in the U.S. where cheating on your spouse is illegal — although there is no penalty under current law.
Also illegal in Colorado is “promoting sexual immorality,” which makes it a misdemeanor to provide “any facility” to a married person wanting to sneak off and cheat on his or her significant other.
The outdated laws were aimed at curbing prostitution during Colorado's sometimes nefarious days as a top stop in America's Wild West. Now, for the second time, Democratic state legislators are hoping to strike the law from the books. On Thursday, lawmakers in the House Judiciary Committee voted 8-3 to expunge the bill from state law.
It now goes to the entire Colorado House for a vote.
State Sen. Pat Steadman, a sponsor of the bill, told the Denver Post, "Government has no business policing marriages." He, along with state Rep. Daniel Kagen, introduced the legislation unsuccessfully in 2011 and are attempting to do so again.
Repeal of the law would be largely symbolic. Between 2007 and 2012, there were ten cases and only two convictions of promoting sexual immortality, according to a report on the fiscal impact of the bill.
The 2011 version of the bill died in a Republican-controlled House committee when one Democrat defected. Then-Rep. John Kefalas said at the time that he did not want to condone adultery, but also "didn't want to get involved in people's bedrooms."
Democrats have since taken control of both the House and the Senate.
The Associated Press contributed to this report
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"Yes this is dispatch, we have a P69 in progress..."
1st pot, then sex? This place is going up in flames! Sodom! Gomorrah! Sin!
Thank the lord I don't live in Colorado.
Most states its no problem banging a married woman...just don't let her hubby catch you!
I clean pools in the summer for a living (and side jobs).
Trick of the trade is..ask client where and how far her hubby works..then tell client to call hubby at a work phone number for whatever reason. Now you know how much time you have to work with.
That's what happens when ex-californians take over other places. Ask people in Washington.
Gabriel, like that name..is it the bad angel from heav..oh forget that..let me get to the point.
Which Washington you mean..the state or DC..thinking DC where all the action is .
Wait, what? A Republican that doesn't want to legislate what goes on in the bedroom? Those free thinking West coast Repubs better stay away from the our beloved South. These Teabillies love that kind of stuff.
What if your wife is cheating on you with her girlfriend?
Gabriel-1934044
In case nobody bothered to explain it to you, the change to the law (to decriminalize marijuana) was achieved in the same way that the change to the law, to recognize gay marriage, was made in Washington State... by popular vote. We voted on it. And it won by a landslide. If you want to make rather bizarre and silly claims about "ex-Californians taking over", be my guest, because I know what I voted for. The people of Washington State overwhelmingly supported these changes. If you have a problem with that, nobody's forcing you to live here.
jimboza
Grab a videocamera and try to dive into the middle of the 'sandwich'.
What's the old saying "I, myself would never commit adultery, but thank God several of my married lovers do." :-))
Colorado: Marijuana legal. Adultery illegal. I'm certain there's grist for a great ironic joke here, but it's just not coming to me. Anyone?
One of my clients found out the following:
Her husband ( who she believed was faithful) was sleeping with a co-worker. The co-workers live in boyfriend was a periodic heroin user. The heroin users drug dealer is hep C and HIV positive. Guess who all got HEP C ....everyone except my client! (she got lucky this time) I don't know the HIV status of each of them but my client continues to test negative.
This is why cheating on a spouse should remain illegal. It is a matter of life and death. A married person has every reason to expect a spouse is monogamous. If the spouse is not monogamous then there should be charges of battery/ endangerment brought and a reasonable financial penalty. Since cheating is now a matter of life and death this needs to be taken seriously and should be a crime.
If you don't want to be faithful--- DONT GET MARRIED---no one is forcing you to. Stay single, sleep with everyone at the same time. However, don't enter into a legally binding agreement. Dont reap the rewards if you can't live up to the demands. If you're single do what you want- I don't care.
With the Colorado Lawmakers able to burn wood now, you'll never know what they'll come up with next!
Common sense and morals are being driven out and lost. FYI seattle, I don't live in wa@!$%#on. Colorado is a great state, but as always liberals live in the major cities where there lack of common sense and morals come into play.
@Gabriel
Isn't it conserves who always wants to reduce the government powers ?
Now you can get high and cheat on your spouse. That's fantastic!
@Dick
separately or at the same time, which is better ?
Funny how those 'religional' types can point their fingers and criticize, while it goes on in their world just as much as the rest of us savages. Hypocrites. I'll be moving TO Colorado! If their 'god' is correct, it'll be easier for him to smite us.
Gabriel-1934044
'Common sense' should tell you that you should stick to minding your own business and let other people mind theirs. The government has no business intervening in peoples' bedrooms.
If your marriage is so precarious that it can be destroyed by the idea of a stupid and archaic law against adultery being removed from the books, then the problem is not with 'adultery' or the law, the problem is with you.
Conservatives are terrified of major cities, because they are frightened of anyplace where people are well-educated and where consenting adults are free to have sex with other consenting adults instead of with livestock.
Gabriel-1934044
Oh good grief! Your avatar is certainly well chosen, because you're stinkin' up the place! (Hint: Take your head out of your a**).
"Gabriel-1034044" ---> "!" ---> "Ignore this author" ---> click.
Buh-bye!
It clearly should not be a criminal act, however the marriage contract is a legal contract entered into with much ceremony and public witness as well as signatures - when that contract is breached without the knowledge and consent of the other,i.e., legal separation or stipulations, there should be enforcable penalties such as giving up considerable percentages of property and assets held in common and suit for loss against the third party - simply marriage is taken far too lightly by far too many.
It is called "divorce settlement"
In most states "divorce settlement" = guy getting bent over the table and taking it regardless of who cheated on who.
Did you wife cheat on you because you were a great guy or did something like being a beater, mentally cruel or a sicko in the sack preceed it? Now how can either be proved? It's all he said she said. That's why they have prenups.
Nowhere in that contract does it spell out physical exclusivity.
Physical exclusivity is part of the verbal agreement. In my state a verbal contract is only valid for two years.
With this and Mississippi finally ratifying the 13th amendment, America is dragged kicking and screaming out of the 19th century.
Nah. That won't happen until the guns are off the streets.
ED-2874315....."With this and Mississippi finally ratifying the 13th amendment, America is dragged kicking and screaming out of the 19th century."
Yep, with this Progressive NONSENSE, America will be back in the Dark Ages in no time.
Just make sure you either take shotguns (as recommended by Mr. Biden), pencils, scissors, mace, or knowledge of Judo as recommended by a Progressive politician with you.
Wait a minute.....Washington State Progressives have legislation in the mill to TAX folks who sign up for ballroom dancing lessons.
ldo
Yes, we PROUD PROGRESSIVES whupped the Tea Potty's butt last November and we will do it again, too.
Anytime you have a "problem" with the direction the USA is taking, I hear there are flights leaving for other parts of the world all the time. Let me know if you need directions to the airport. Happy to help.
If feels so good to finally be able to tell some self-defined, self-serving patriot that they can LEAVE my country if they don't like the direction my country is heading.
Posted by a Vietnam veteran, liberal, progressive, pinko, commie, whatever...
And straight down the roaad to hell.
Oh great.. what's next? Legalizing/ decriminalizing cocaine? I mean seriously, this is getting out of hand. We already have enough troubles from Alcohol and Tobacco, we do NOT need more.
I really hope the Federal Government steps up and shuts that place down forever. I will NOT let my future kids and my friends and loved ones grow up in a world full of dangers such as these... Thank you~
It's perfectly fine if you want to be a square. But mind your own damn business and quit sticking your nose in other people's private lives.
Why not? You have any ideas how much money that can give to the government? Billions. You know how much money that clinics can save and deaths from spoiled or tainted drugs that can ease the effects and strains on the health care systems. How about the thousands of people convicted of a crime to have drugs for private usages on their persons and send to prison.
But, the world is full of danger, you honestly think your kid isn't going to take a sip of beer or anything? Think again. You honestly expects the world to be sunshine and rainbows and thinks the world is this terrible place, did you know that crimes are LOWER than the last 10 years?
@FlatIron720 for your information, it's people like you that will corrupt our future. It is up to confident and reliable people like me who can step up and show the faults and corrupt views of this World. If it requires me to stick my nose into people's lives where they are blind well then so be it.
And guess what? Our school are writing letters to Congress to set harsher restrictions and overturn crazy decriminalization bills such as these.
@Mouzie I hate to tell you this but has it ever occurred to you that Drugs will always equal violence and things such as Adultery will always lower our morals and destroy our Community? These people are sent to prison because they have broken and violated laws and are a danger to Society. Keep it that way... Enough I'm tired of arguing...
Hah, what a lose cause. Bigots like you are contributing to the violence on the streets by cultivating a lucrative illicit drug market where violent criminals thrive. Thanks for making our country a more dangerous place, idiot.
John Krisfalusci
Guess what? My state of Washington decriminalized marijuana usage and we are vastly better off for it. You cannot even begin to grasp how many peoples' lives have been damaged or ruined because of an overreaching blue-nosed bunch of prigs such as yourself criminalizing what ought to be private and legal behavior being carried out by consenting adults.
Our school are writing letters to Congress to overturn insane marijuana and sexual-activity restrictions and pass more decriminalization bills. And we are going to win.
I hate to tell you this but has it ever occurred to you that you have utterly no idea what you are talking about? Drugs will NOT "always equal violence". News flash, countries that have decriminalized drug possession and which treat it as a medical problem and not a 'crime' problem have vastly lower rates of crime and less harm to society overall. Maybe if you got out of your trailer park once in a while and learned something about the outside world, you might have learned this fact.
News flash, people smoking pot are not "a danger to our society". People having sex with whom they choose are not "a danger to society". Neither instance harms anybody at all except possibly for themselves. Society is being vastly more damaged by people being imprisoned for what ought to be lawfful and mutually agreed-upon behavior by consenting adults.
And no, you are not going to stick your nose into other peoples' business and other peoples' lives, unless you would like to have that nose get cut off.
If you have a problem with people choosing to live their lives in ways other than what "you, personally" approve of, I suggest that you pack your stuff up and move to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or some other similar place that bases their society around their "holy book". I hear they are real big on hanging pot smokers and stoning or hanging people who have consensual sex outside of marriage. You would probably fit in there extremely well, they're your kind of crowd.
Don't waste your time trying to reason with someone so closed-minded and ignorant.
@Seattle-Sunset you know I wasn't going to mention this but because you started this... I will guarantee you within a few years violence and drug related crimes in Washington will increase dramatically.
We learned in school that marijuana causes cancer, brain damage, and premature death, and even in the Bible it says it's Evil. Now, besides that, try to understand this:
In America almost all the Prisons are because of marijuana related offenses and almost all the Addiction clinics across America are because of marijuana related problems. I'm sorry but statistics don't lie and your state is going to be the downfall of our once beautiful Nation.
I will not let my future children and my friends and my loved ones be exposed to these kind of dangers which should be addressed. We are the new younger generation of conservatives and trust me, our voices will be heard. Thank you~
"Don't waste your time trying to reason with someone so closed-minded and ignorant."
I have yet to come across someone here who isn't closed-minded and ignorant, myself included. We all have a lot to work on.
John Krisfalusci
Actually you do not have the slightest clue of what you are talking about. I guarantee you that within a few years, violence and drug-related crimes will decline dramatically. In fact this is already the case, it is already happening.
Now, try to understand this: your claim that
..is absolute lying B.S. You do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about. Just as you do not have any evidence whatsoever to support your bat-feces-lunatic claims. You spout lies, you mindlessly repeat lies, you spread lies, you unquestioningly believe lies.
You are the younger generation of bat-feces-lunatic whack-jobs and you live in an imaginary, fictional and fantasy mental "bubble" of unreality, which is why it came as such an enormous shock (to you, but not to ordinary, thinking, sensible people) when Obama kicked the daylights out of you and the Tea Potty movement on Election Day 2012.
show me in the bible where it says its illegal!!!! what they taught us in DARE was a bunch of brainwashing bullsnot. the problem with this country is we let the government forget who is in charge.
John Krisfalusci
The Bible is a pack of lies and fantasies written by half-naked savages who spent their time dancing around a fire thousands of years ago and inventing fairy tales about imaginary "gods" to try to explain what their primitive minds could not understand, but even the Bible says nothing whatsoever about marijiuana.
Man made and created alcohol. Your "God" made the marijuana plant. Whom do YOU trust more?
@Seattle-Sunset Listen... just because I have a proper opinion about the true facts doesn't give you a right to be a jerk. Insulting someone will never get you far in any debate.
And for your information, I'm smart because I don't even go to a public school. Our teachers are working with Congress and they tell us that marijuana is a terrible drug that is probably just as worse as heroin and meth.
I would never spout lies because what they tell us is true and statistics back them up. Now, Seattle, if you think that inhaling 'smoke' into your clean lungs is considered healthy, then you really need to wake up and smell reality.
All of this medical mumbo jumbo is just another pathetic excuse to satisfy these drug addict's habits. Now my original complaint was that adultery is just as bad or even worse and I cannot even imagine what our future will hold for us and future generations to come.
And please, lay off the drugs because you are getting too angry and belligerent to even keep a stable conversation going. In fact, I don't even know why I am still arguing with you. I think I made my point clear and thank you and have a nice life~
and PS I dont drink alcohol. I think that should be banned too but I won't even go there..
and
@dikdialook Trust me, it's in there. In the back somewhere in Revelations I remember being said it was considered as an "Evil fruit"
John Krisfalusci
Actually, you do not have any "true facts" whatsoever.
And you are dumber than people in public schools, people in public schools are smarter than you and superior to you because they are taught to understand something called "science". And "science" requires and demands that people conduct what is known as unbiased research in which people gather evidence and evaluate things known as facts before reaching a conclusion.
It's very likely that your school is some religious-fanatic asylum where fanatics are paid by parents to pump you full of right-wing God-botherer fanatasies and propagandistic lies and B.S.
If you had the statistics to actually back up your fictional and fantasized claims, you would have presented them already. You didn't do so, because you have nothing to offer of any substance and certainly no facts.
And no, we most certainly do not have to "just trust you", at all, on anything. In case nobody has ever explained it to you, it is not anybody else's "responsibility" to "just go look it up", to "just trust you" or to just take your bat-feces-crazy claims at face value. It is absolutely yOUR responsibility to back up YOUR claims. Nobody else's responsibility. Only yours.
Here's how debate and discussion work, Little One: You made the claim. You have the responsibility to back up your claim with facts and evidence. Absent those facts and evidence, your claim is not accepted, it is dismissed for the lying falsehood that it is.
That's how debate and discussion work in the Real World, Little One. If you had ever actually gone to a real, genuine educational institution that actually taught its students to think for themselves, rather than trying to pump you full of lying religious-fanatic propaganda, maybe you would know that.
John Krisfalusci
Are you aware that marijuana has been prescribed by physicians to help relieve and alleviate the pain and suffering being experienced by people suffering from glaucoma?
Did it ever occur to you that maybe those physicians just might happen to know a great deal more about the potential medical benefits of marijuana than you might "know" from your propaganda, because they have actually been to and spent about 8-10 years studying in a place called a medical school ?
As for your claim that
... are you even aware, do you even have a clue, that this kind of experiment (in banning alcohol) was actually attempted about seven decades ago, that it (the banning of alcohol) was a complete and utter failure which caused massive amounts of crime and violence, and that it was repealed and abandoned for the failure that it was?
I suggest that you consult a revolutionary (and apparently-completely-unknown-to-you) device known as a "HISTORY BOOK" and look up something known as PROHIBITION. There you will discover the horrific costs to Society, the millions of arrests, the millions of lives ruined, the horrific gang violence that resulted from the complete abject failure that was the 15-year-long experiment in banning alcohol consumption in America.
@Seattle-Sunset Ohhh puhleeze. Are you aware that now Doctors today are prescribing pot to kids? I mean what's next? Prescribing cocaine for restless leg-syndrome?
Seriously sunset you're out of your mind. Smoke will always contain carcinogens which means cancer causing, therefore marijuana is cancer causing.
#2. Studies have shown that adolescents who smoke marijuana end up with lower IQs, therefore brain damage and now studies show conclusive evidence for psychotic- schizophrenic like symptoms.
#3. Crime and Violence but I already explained that with the prison and addiction across America comment earlier.
Please, I'm tired of arguing, I made my point and I know and you know I'm right. And lastly, if you think physicians from quality medical schools back marijuana, then Sunset, I am not the one who is out of touch.
It is amazing to me how many people still are in favor of prohibition. Prohibition does not work - all it does is empower and enrich criminal organizations. But more important than that, people have the right to use whatever they want to modify their thoughts and feelings however they want. My mood (and yours) is not a topic for public controversy, and the public has no right to dictate anything about it. The freedom to have private thoughts and moods of your own choice is the FIRST and most fundamental right. Because if your brain is your own property then you have the right to use it however you wish. Without that freedom, what true freedoms could we be said to possess? None!
Obviously, children don't have this same freedom until they are adult. And also people should still be held responsible for however they behave. But most people don't turn into monsters after having a beer or whatever, and unless they do something harmful to others the law should have no say whatsoever. There is no moral basis for interfering into adults' private lives and doing so is actually immoral.
John Krisfalusci
Do you have the slightest evidence to support your claim that "Doctors today are prescribing pot to kids"? Links? Articles? Facts? Proof? So sorry but no, I am not "just going to take your word for it". Actual debate and discussion does not work that way. That's been explained to you already. Maybe you are having trouble comprehending that fact.
#2 - Studies on adolescents who smoke marijuana have been inconclusive. If you have evidence to support your claim, feel free to present it, if you know how. Maybe you need someone to show you how to post a link?
#3 - You did not "explain" anything about prisons and addiction in America. You made a "claim" which was completely unsupported by any evidence or facts whatsoever. Therefore your claim is what is known as a "lie" and you are what is known as a "falsehood-spreader". Apparently you have trouble understanding that "I said it earlier, Therefore It Is So" actually does not qualify as "debate" or "discussion".
And no, you did not make any "points" whatsoever. You made fantasy claims that were completely unsupported by evidence.
And lastly, physicians from many, many schools all over the world recognize that marijuana has some healthy and helpful efefcts for people who are suffering from various maladies. If they did not recognize that fact, they would not be prescribing marijuana as a treatment from glaucoma. What medical school did you go to, again?
Seriously, Child, I suggest that you stick to singing hymns and endlessly recycling and repeating your propaganda among people who, such as you, have been conditioned to accept God-bothering religious drivel and propaganda mindlessly, unthinkingly and unquestioningly. Critical thinking and the ability to parse subjects and apply thoughtful, logical questioning to arrive at independently-attained conclusions are not skills which you seem to possess. Stay in the shallow end of the pool, please. You aren't ready to discuss issues with grownups.
John Krisfalusci
Here is a thoughtful, relatively unbiased article on the subject. I suggest that you take some time to review it and reflect on it.
This, for your information and hopefully your future scholastic benefit, is what is known as research.
1 - I did a Google search on the subject.
2 - I reviewed a number of the many, many articles on the subject.
3 - I found a thoughtful, relatively unbiased article on the subject.
4 - I supplied the article.
5 - I provided and documented a source, a link, for the article which I supplied.
Please take careful note of all this. It will come in very useful and necessary, should you ever decide to attend an institution of higher learning (by which, I do not mean some obscure Bible-thumper school of religious fanaticism) at some point in your future.
IS MARIJUANA HARMFUL? POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF MARIJUANA, WEED
The question, "is marijuana harmful?" does not have a simple answer. Marijuana, also known as weed, from the cannabis plant, is known to help some people while it may harm others. Marijuana's harmful effects depend on the individual, the source and why they are using marijuana. Sometimes the positive effects of weed outweigh the negative effects of weed.
Is Marijuana Harmful? - Positive Effects of Weed
The positive effects of marijuana have been known and sought for thousands of years as evidenced by the charred cannabis seeds found at an ancient burial site in modern day Romania, from third millennium B.C.1 In modern times, the positive effects of weed include both illicit and legitimate uses.
Marijuana is the most widely-used illegal narcotic in the Western world and is used mostly for the positive effects of weed known as a "high." (read: what is marijuana) This intoxication includes positive effects of marijuana like:
Is Marijuana Harmful? - Medical Uses and the Positive Effects of Weed
Positive effects of marijuana are also seen in medical uses, however (medical marijuana). Marijuana is legal for some medical treatments in Canada and in parts of the US and Europe. Medical use exploiting the positive effects of marijuana has been around for thousands of years. Positive effects of weed commonly used for medical benefit include:2
These noted positive effects of marijuana have led to its testing and use in a variety of medical conditions. Evidence strength varies depending on the treated condition, but the positive effects of weed are often used in treating:3
Other medical conditions thought to possibly benefit from the positive effects of marijuana include:
Is Marijuana Harmful? - Negative Effects of Weed
While positive effects of weed can be seen both recreationally and medically, there are many negative effects of weed to also consider.
Some of the main negative effects of marijuana are due to its illicit nature. Because marijuana is illegal, not only can people have legal action brought against them for growing, selling or buying marijuana, but users never know exactly what active compounds are in the marijuana they're using.
Major harmful effects of weed are seen when tolerance develops and marijuana is abused. Once a user becomes tolerant to effects of a drug, they tend to increase their dosage, increasing the likelihood of marijuana addiction and the other negative effects of weed. The state of tolerance also indicates the user will experience the negative effects of weed withdrawal during periods of drug abstinence. If a user abuses marijuana, the negative effects of weed are seen in the person's life as they choose to use marijuana above all else.
Other negative effects of weed include:
www.healthyplace.com/addictions/marijuana-addiction/is-marijuana-harmful-positive-and-negative-effects-of-marijuana-weed/
" I mean what's next? Prescribing cocaine for restless leg-syndrome?"
If it works, why would you object? Who put your ignorance in charge of some other person's healthcare? What does it matter to YOU what other people take to alleviate their suffering?
"Smoke will always contain carcinogens which means cancer causing, therefore marijuana is cancer causing"
Marijuana is consumed in a variety of ways, many of which do not involve any smoke. If you knew anything at all about this subject, you would already know this. Plus, I have the right to give myself cancer if I wish. I can eat fatty foods. I can smoke cigarettes. I can live a high-stress lifestyle. Unless you are willing to go Full Nazi and outlaw EVERYTHING that causes cancer, your argument is completely hypocritical. You would have to ban most kinds of food, ban most chemicals, ban automobiles (emissions cause cancer), ban aircraft too, and ban most other things. So your 'it gives you cancer' argument is stupid and does not trump personal freedom at all.
" Studies have shown that adolescents who smoke marijuana end up with lower IQs"
First of all, nobody is proposing that kids should have the same usage rights as adults, and we all generally agree that all of this is for adults only. So you have no point here. Also, you have no proof about you IQ assertions. I have also seen studies that show that Christians have lower IQs than atheists. So by your logic, that means that Christianity causes brain damage and should be banned, right?
"Crime and Violence but I already explained that with the prison and addiction across America comment earlier"
You haven't 'explained' anything. All you did was repeat religious propaganda. Marijuana does not cause crime. It makes people LESS anxious and LESS argumentative. The only 'crime' involved is simply possession, which should not even be a crime. Again, if you had any real understanding of the subject you are talking about you would already know this. The majority of people in prison for weed are victims of unreasonable laws, not criminals.
I know that you see no reason why any good person would want to use these things. But so what? Other people do see good reasons for themselves. You pick what you want and let others pick what they want. That is called Liberty. That is called America. American Liberty does not mean that we all have to live according to Christian morals, since many of us consider your morality to be immoral.
That explains everything. Just another home-schooled member of the American Taliban.
John Krisfalusci.. People like you are extremely dangerous. I hope for your sake that as you get older you start to listen more than you speak. I also hope you choose your sources of information wisely before you go and start regurgitating information. Good luck to you.
Guys have a look a John's history. I hate to break this to you but you're dealing with a troll, one that puts more effort into his posts than most but still just a troll.
Where are the Bible-thumpers screeching about the sanctity of marriage on THIS point? If anything, adultery should be illegal from coast to coast this great Christian nation of ours? (And yes, that's sarcasm.)
They are the ones who are getting caught cheating on their spouses.. and then trying to hide it.
Thanks for the disclaimer. It's hard to tell when so many posts are (Faux) Christian written and (Faux Christian) G*D approved.
Good point, @Think. If the "sanctity of marriage" is so important, isn't a Constitutional amendment criminalizing adultery far more important than trying to ban a relative few same-sex marriages?
premarital sex too! mandatory chastity belts! We have to nip this "sex" thing in the bud!
Sin Statey
If you try to call the state of CO. the computer answering system just hangs up on you. I was actually had better communication with the state on their facebook site and they have a state tax boot. God Bless that I live in Texas.
And John from Texas...stay there!!!!!
Did it ever occur to you that maybe they don't hang up on "everyone", maybe it's just "you"?
Great, now you can smoke dope while doing your best friends spouse.
As long as it is consensual, what business is it of yours?
Politicians decriminalizing adultery...there's a joke in there somewhere....
I don't know......maybe politicians think they are smarter than God?
Well, considering it was politicians who outlawed slavery, something god seemed pretty much o.k. with, I'd say at least some politicians are/were smarter than god.
OK John...you speak loudly and clearly...what are you going to do about not allowing these people to live......we are interested as never before!!!!!
only christians should be prosecuted under the law
Dan...they prosecute themselves!!! None of them are happy unless they are living your life for you !!!! Just like republicans
So your saying Christianity causes unhappiness, micromanagement of other peoples' affairs?
Major,
In extreme cases, yes.
hambone Not such extreme cases. In almost all cases. Personally, I was never so miserable, confused, hopeless, dejected, and all that bad stuff until I started studying the bible out in the christian community. Just a den of vipers spreading their deadly poison.
Adultery laws are impractical to enforce. Only closet-sinning theocrats and hypocritical bigots crave the legislation of their brand of morality into law, when the separation of church and state, breaks down.
I recall reading about official proposals in some non-secular parts of the world, to place hidden videocams in hotel rooms and semi-public places, to make sure "targeted demographics," weren't defying religious edicts, or if in the least, government-sanctioned programs encouraging citizens to spy on, and report on what their neighbors were doing in the privacy of their homes.
For the latter, I recall neighborhood spying programs were proposed, even in this country.
This is Obamas , Gov Homo, Mayor Blomberg the President of France and all those left wing socialist creeps want to turn this country into a bunch of Faggot,Queers,Crossdressing ,Transexuals,Marijana Dope Smoking,Same Sex marriage,Dick Sucking,Black Thug Gangster Raping Holligans,Illegal Mexican Loving,Godless,No Guns allowed,No Coke Cola allowed,No Hershey or other Chocolate Candies allowed No Hamburger or Hotdogs allowed,No Beer allowed,Welfare ,Foodstamp,Government controlled Left Wing Dictatorship.The politicians running Colorado, hope you @!$%#s have a 150 foot Meteor Explode above Denver. :)
I'd suggest that you should have to live in the armpit of the universe, but you're already in Dearborn. Wish granted.
wow, r u finished?
Hey, I live in Dearborn (Mich.) and I resemble that remark!
so what did Rush Limbaugh really tell you to say
Q: How many Finnish Pollacks does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None. They don't believe in any civilization advancements beyond the 14th Century, so they all use candles.
Welcome to the 21st Century, Colorado
Doesn't this make you wonder why the weather is so much of a problem with all this stuff against the Bible is going on??????/
The Bible is a pack of lies written by bloodthirsty savages dancing aaround fires thousands of years ago. And the weather is a "problem" because of something called "greenhouse gases", and it is a problem that has been PREDICTED, CORRECTLY, to BE a problem and to become more and more of a problem since the late 1980s.
Yes Dan, it does because the weather has never done anything funky before in the history of the world. Strange weather + by-bull = end of the world. Two thousand years of "any day now" has got to be gettin' old.
Oh, and that there 'bommer feller is terkin' my guns. DERP!
Julia,
Only 22 other states to go.
So right, Dan! USA is supposedly 80% Christian. All those christians being lazy, sloppy, greedy, dumber than dirt stewards. Makes perfect sense.
Hail Mary, mother of god, my priest is cheating on me with another woman...
Must be because all the Colorado politicans are commiting it!!!!!!! LOL Now they can run for president and not be cut off at the Pass for screwing around!!!
People who have a "problem" with decriminalizing what rightfully ought to be perfectly lawful behavior by consenting adults are cordially invited to pack their #@%$^! up and move their @#%$! to Pakistan, Somalia, Iran, Saudi Arabia or some other 13th-century medieval, barbaric and uncivilized country where the whole society is organized around some "holy book", where sex education is forbidden, where marijuana smokers (and consumers of alcohol, for that matter) are taken out and hanged, and where people who engage in consensual sex without benefit of a marriage license are beaten to death with thrown stones.
We don't a more so-called "moral" society, with a bunch of blue-haired and blue-nosed religious fanatics and extremists trying to impose their version of "morality" on people who don't subscribe to the same viewpoint. We need a more "just" society in which people who are not physically harming others are left alone to live their lives in peace and freedom.
Your'e being just as judgmental and mean-spirited/arrogant and the "blue haired and blue-nosed fanatics" you so readily call out, Seattle.
Using your definitions of a society letting "those not harming others are left alone, etc."...hmmm, yes, using your perspective, we have to let online pornography fly, same with incest, marriage among blood relatives, polygamy.
Of course not -- people of legal age can't possible do something wrong or amoral since they all are "consenting."
Lemmings. Cliff. Liberals justifying.
Yes, we do have to let online pornography fly. In case you hadn't noticed, it's completely legal. As is porn off-line as well. It's called "freedom of speech", in case you have not been keeping up with Supreme Court decisions since 1960. If you don't like online porn, there is a simple solution for you, isn't there - don't look at it. I don't see anybody holding a gun to your head or "forcing" you to travel online to hubba-hubba-dot-com.
And no, looking at online porn is not "wrong" or "amoral" for people of legal age. It's a normal, routine, acceptable - and perfectly legal, for consenting adults - part of the normal, healthy sex lives of millions of people. Tough beans for you if you have a problem with that.
Congratulations, you manage to perfectly exemplify the blue haired and blue-nosed fanatics I was referring to.
@Seattle-Sunset: You seem to care a lot about the law. You cite "legal age" and "consenting adults" in your arguments. And yet, you rail against the criminalization of adultery, which is still a part of the law, at least in Colorado and in some other states. You draw on your own personal beliefs to justify an argument against a law, and then cite other laws to support your own personal beliefs. As the old saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to appeal to common sense and beliefs to justify your arguments, that's fine. If you want to appeal to the law to do the same, that's fine. Don't use one to justify the other and back around. It's tiresome.
MSN_visitor
Laws are not sacrosanct. Laws are not "holy". Laws are not given to us by some fictional and fantaszied invisible-but-supposedly-omnipotent Sky Pixie. Laws are written by men and women. And men and women can be cruel, selfish, self-centered, self-righteous, vindictive, racist, sexist, homophobic. And some, any and all of those traits indeed emerge and can be found in the laws which are written by those men and women. Where those traits exist and come forth in laws, they need to be opposed, rolled back, repealed, decriminalized.
Contrary to the claims of religious fanatics, the United States is not a "Christian Nation" in the sense of being a nation founded upon or drawing its structure, purpose, beliefs or values from the Bible. The men who wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights were not religious fanatics, and many of them were not even Christians but Deists. The laws and documents they created were not based on "Christian morality". To the contrary, they went out of their way to make very clear that they were not endorsing any particular religious belief.
The reason laws exist is not because "Gawd said so". Rather, the reason laws exist in Society is to protect the majority of society from explicit harm caused by the actions of a minority. They do not exist to prevent "private" harm. Rather, they exist to prevent PUBLIC harm, which is a very different matter entirely.
With regard to the personal use of marijuana by an individual, there is no PUBLIC harm whatsoever, and differing opinions argue as to whether there is even any PRIVATE harm. With regard to adultery, there is likewise no PUBLIC harm whatsoever; it is an entirely PRIVATE matter.
Laws exist to protect the PUBLIC, from PUBLIC harm. Where this is little to no likelihood of or existence of PUBLIC harm, there is no need for the existence of laws that criminalize PRIVATE behavior.
@Seattle-Sunset
"With regard to the personal use of marijuana by an individual, there is no PUBLIC harm whatsoever,"
First, I just want to say that I have no problem with someone smoking weed, as long as it is in a controlled environment (ie. home, for example). That being said, I can't believe that you actually stated that ludicrous above statement. Perhaps your high right now and it has clogged your thinking.
So here is an example for you, where there will be public harm.... Johnny and his buddies are driving down the interstate while passing their joints around and getting high as a kite. Car is smoke filled, so Johnny's view is somewhat impaired even more then just from smoking weed. Suddenly he experiences one of the many negatives you so kindly supplied us with in your "weed is harmless" post above...
(Pick one of the above please to complete the following sentence...)
"Johnny suddenly (insert negative effect here) and swerves across the center line striking a mini van filled with children on their way home from a soccer game. The van & Johnny's smoke filled bong-mobile explode in a head on collision killing everyone in both vehicles."
So yes, public harm CAN come from smoking weed and getting high. And don't even try to say that would never happen. I was a dumbass kid once and drove with a "Johnny" who almost got us all killed. Last time I mixed the two. Unfortunately, many young kids will make that kind of a mistake, even more now that the law legalized its personal use. And since I know you like to make people support their statements, I've even included a link for you below...
www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/02/10/marijuana-driving-collisions.html
Free America once and for all
No, PUBLIC harm does not come from merely smoking weed and getting high. The person who sits in his room getting baked with his girlfriend, having incredibly stimulating sex, devouring an entire mushroom-and-pepperoni pizza and celebrating by watching a "Lord Of The Rings" movie marathon, is harming no one at all.
Public harm can, however, result from the MISUSE of substances that may have an ability to cause intoxication, -IF- an intoxicated person engages in reckless and/or dangerous behavior while intoxicated, such as getting behind the wheel of an automobile when they are impaired by their intoxication. That is not the fault of the intoxicating substance, however, but rather is the fault of the poor judgement of the person choosing to sit themselves behind the wheel of an automobile when they ought to know that they are too impaired to drive.
That this does indeed tragically happen on occasion is a fact; that it does not happen anywhere even close to as often involving marijuana, as it does in situations involving alcohol -- a perfectly legal substance -- is also a well-known fact. Indeed, of the roughly 35,000 automobile-involved deaths every year, a significant number and percentage involve consumption of alcohol. What would you have us do about this? Ban the sale and consumption of alcohol? Tried that already. Didn't work. Caused vastly more problems than it solved, including gangsterism and rampant criminality.
In addition, your claim seems predicated on the idea that if we just keep pot illegal, road deaths involving drivers who are 'high' will simply never happen, which is an absolute absurdity -- road deaths involving marijuana use already happen, even though marijuana possession and use is still illegal in the overwhelming majority of states.
In addition, millions of people currently smoke marijuana regularly, legal or not. The idea that millions more people are suddenly going to "choose to start" smoking marijuana, who did not smoke it before, merely because it suddenly becomes legal, is ludicrous. Laws against marijuana do not 'deter' many, if any, people from choosing to consume it. That in itself should tell you something right there. The surest test of a so-called 'deterrent' is to see if it actually 'deters' anyone. If people are willing to risk going to jail for their beliefs rather than accept having their allowable choices curbed by a law which a significant percentage of the public believe to be misplaced and pennywise-and-pound-foolish, that in itself should tell you that the so-called 'deterrent' has failed.
Finally, your concern over "many young mids making that kind of mistake" is misplaced, since no one is even suggesting that marijuana should be sold to those too young to be legally entitled to purchase it. Here in Washington State, the legal age for purchasing pot from a pot dispensary is age 21 - the same age one must be in order to purchase alcohol. People younger than that found to be smoking pot can be cited for being a minor in possession of a prohibited substance. Same as with alcohol.
Read your own statement again please...slowly if needed,
"With regard to the personal use of marijuana by an individual, there is no PUBLIC harm whatsoever,"
I was giving an example which disproved your claim, that personal use by an individual, will in fact cause public harm. Motor vehicle deaths are just but one example of public harm that can come from pot smoking. I felt no need to give more as it disproved your claim. I'm not blaming the pot, but the effects of it on an individual and how it can harm others. Do you feel the same way about guns? if so, by your twisted logic we can replace the word "marijuana" with "guns" and that would be exactly the same. But any sensible person would know that is also not true. In the hands of the wrong/irresponsible person, a gun can become a harm to the public as well. Just as weed or alcohol in an irresponsible persons hands can be dangerous to others. I can't believe you even tried that "alcohol is bad, mkay! What are you going to do about it?" angle. It is a fact (a word which you seem to like to toss around a lot) that less pot heads on the road will mean less pot head related accidents, numbers prove that. Just like less drunks on the road will drop those numbers as well. I never said to take away your weed or booze. I was just disproving your lame statement.
As for kids not getting/using it, your hilarious! Kids obtain it just as easy (if not easier) as alcohol. Much easier to sell weed in or after school then alcohol. And they can drive at 16, so yes, bad things will happen to themselves and the general public as they just want to get high. By making it legal for an adult to buy it, they can purchase it for the kids, walk around the corner and give it to them. The very same way they buy them alcohol. At what age did you start smoking weed? lol
Free America--
Laws in the state of Washington and the state of Colorado that legalized recreational marijuana continue to make DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE illegal, just like driving while drunk is illegal. Laws should be written to target the actual harmful behavior, i.e. the combination of marijuana and driving.
Marijuana, in and of itself, does not offer a harm to the public. It's only harmful in combination, and thus seattle's argument is valid and not "silly" as you would pretend.
how the phuck is a law outlawing adultery "outdated?"
While there's not been any punishment associated with it apparently in the most recent decades, the liberal-minded "do what I want" a55holes are reveling in yet another means to justify anything.
I recall the gay-lesbian agenda started with the same notion of "outdatedness" and "discrimination" for being "singled out" for their sexual activities.
Based on the same slanted justifications, the adulterer "is born that way." Since that person may have some combination of genes (granted, also there is no "on/off" gene for a lack of single partnership) that predisposes the weak-souled slimeball to commit adultery...I guess we have to go down the same lame path of letting the lowest common denominators of society's sexually deviant get a blessing.
Pathetic.
It's none of your business what consenting adults choose to do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, a motel room, etc. Other peoples' sex lives are none of your phucking business.
I can imagine one or two professions where other peoples' sex lives are your blanking business.
Because they're remnants of the theocratic "blue laws" the states were once free to enforce, prior to the 14th Amendment and the Incorporation Doctrine.
We're still trying to rid our secular laws of your bizarre sharia laws.
Christians need to control themselves when it comes to their own marriages. Don't expect the government to do it for you. If you need a federal law to enforce biblical law, you're pretty pathetic.
If you need a federal law to enforce biblical law, you're pretty pathetic and need to move to a theocratic country.
Happy Friday, All :)
So, the article states that “Between 2007 and 2012, there were ten cases and only two convictions of promoting sexual IMMORTALITY, according to a report on the fiscal impact of the bill.” Where are these sexual immortals now? I’m sure there are many who would like to hook up with a sexual immortal!
lol, that just really cracked me up.
Adultery is not a criminal offense, it's a moral offense.
I'm not justifying it, I just can't remember anyone who cheated being prosecuted.
Except by their spouse's attorney.
Except in the military. Believe it or not, adultery and fornication are criminal offenses punishable by UCMJ action. The Uniform Code of Military Justice can mete out prison time at hard labor for those offenses if convicted. It very rarely happens, but the laws are still in there.
Can't believe with everything going on in this country, that they would even be discussing this topic. Just shows you how totally immoral this country has become and with WHAT our leaders are thinking with. Jesus, PLEASE come soon.....
That explains it.
Jesus is dead. So is his dad. The irrational belief in false things is immoral. Faith, as you understand it, is immoral. Even if what you believed were true, what you believe to be 'good' is actually evil. Jesus will not solve your problems for you. His legacy has already CREATED most of the problems we have today. What you see as immorality is actually freedom. You object to freedom.
I want to invent a time machine so that all the christians who really want to live in a world dominated by christianity can go back in time and live in a world run by people like themselves. That hell would be just punishment for all the trouble they give the modern world. Then, if they recant, they can come back to the present and join the modern world trying to emerge from superstition.
Colorado is a cesspool of degradation and anti-God lustful physical wanton habits!! Denver is the new Gommorah, along side Colorado Springs as the new Sodom! God will cause fire, brimestone, locust and bad smelling foul things to fall from the skies! Anyone who does not turn from their sinful ways will then turn to salt!
Colorado, not that I condone adultery, but why was this law still on the books 13 years into the 21st century? Seems kind of arcane to me. Was it a Christian thing to keep it for this long? If you don't believe in screwing around on your spouse, don't do it! But a law forcing religious moral values on others is wrong. That's no better then what those Islamic buttheads try to do with their Sharia laws.
Alrighty now! Let's hear from all the religious Morality Police and get their take on why we should be forced to submit to their reasons why adultery should stay a crime in the courts of man.
Oh, by the way, for you less intelligent people whom lack reading comprehension skills or a sense of humor, the first paragraph of the above post was my ill attempt at SARCASM.
LMAO! Thanks for the Friday morning laugh. It's pretty sad that sarcasm has to be pointed out to people, isn't it? Thanks for your service, Ranger!
I agree 100%, and laws like that are scary, but the article says that Colorado is one of 23 freakin' states that currently have laws like this....GHEEZ, and WTF.
Oh, and BTW, the obligatory: not that I would commit adultery, no sir.
Laws have nothing to do with morality.
Morality has nothing to do with law.
Anytime this gets confused in government, watch out...
The Right wants to impose their moral view on personal conduct liberties. The Left wants to impose their moral view on property liberties. Both sides object to the other imposing their morality thru law, yet neither ever sees their own hypocrisy.
Adultery really does not require a criminal law. Marriage is a civil matter and should be dealt with in the civil courts. Although adultery would not be against the law in the sense you could get locked up for it (this isn't Iran, you know) it would still be a relevant issue in divorce, child custody, support and alimony issues. Adultery would be evidence of spousal abandonment, mental cruelty, and the breaking of the bonds of matrimony.
Morally I don't condone adultery. If you're married, honor your vows. Legally, however, throwing someone in jail for it is a bit draconian. The civil courts are perfectly able to take adultery into account in appropriate circumstances.
"Between 2007 and 2012, there were ten cases and only two convictions of promoting sexual immortality"
Sounds good to me, I'd love to be sexually "immortal". LOL
Next,they'll be letting Women vote.
From Wikipedia:
But will Colorado also decriminalize one spouse blowing the cheating other away with a shotgun?