
AP
Once dubbed by prosecutors as the government's most wanted deadbeat parent, Robert Sand pleaded guilty Thursday to owing more than $1.2 million to three children.
A New York man once dubbed by prosecutors as the government's most wanted deadbeat parent pleaded guilty Thursday to owing more than $1.2 million to three children from two failed marriages.
Robert Sand, 50, pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in Central Islip on Long Island to two counts of failing to pay child support. Assistant U.S. Attorney Alan Bode said in court that the child support orders, which were issued on Long Island, have been in arrears since at least 2002.
The figure cited by Bode includes interest and penalties. The prosecutor declined to comment to reporters after the court proceeding.
Sand told the judge he fled first to Florida and then to Thailand. Sand's attorney, Glenn Obedin, said his client had grown tired of living on the run and contacted authorities late last year.
Sand left Thailand, where he had worked in an assortment of odd jobs, and flew to the Philippines. He was arrested and then deported from the Philippines in November 2012 because he lacked proper identification, prosecutors said. He was sent to Los Angeles, where he was arrested by federal marshals, and then extradited to New York, where he has been held without bail since December.
"He had enough and wanted to come back and have the opportunity to make it right," Obedin told reporters after the court proceeding on Long Island.
Sand faces up to four years in prison when he is sentenced in May.
"Neither court orders nor the familial bond meant anything to him as he fled to avoid his obligations," U.S. Attorney Loretta Lynch said in a statement.
The two mothers of Sand's three children were not in the courtroom for Thursday's proceeding, but Obedin has said he has contacted them and claimed their priority is for Sand to be free to earn a living so he can repay his debt. As part of the plea agreement, Sand is required to make full restitution. He waived his right to appeal the guilty plea.
Obedin said Sand has worked in the past as a car salesman and has an offer to work in that field when he is released.


How can one owe that much ? He'll never be able to pay this back ..... THIS UNREAL !!!
Interest and penalties add up.
Makes perfect sense. Punish the deadbeat severely enough to make it impossible for him to pay what he owes while at the same time forcing him to pay what he owes. That is why criminals will always be criminals. It reminds me of the laws that ban you from any type of federal student aid if you get caught with a little weed.
Or pay in the first place and don't rack up a large bill at the end.
1.2 mil over ten years. so about a grand ...per kid ...per week....from a car salesman?... really ...REALLY?...
Yep jail time is definitely called for here...start with the judge,.... then both lawyers...ex wife's ...
And if this was a woman all we would be hearing is how unfair the system is and every agency under the sun would be stepping in to offer help.
thats good but it still amazes me that lawyers and doctors owe tens of thousands and they cant find them but a constution that owes 200 they can find when he doesnt work in the sameplace everyday happened to my friend heres a hint doctoers work in hospitals and lawyers in court
Look at the eyes.....can see nutjobs with one look at the face....spotem a mile away.....Ladies if you are attracted to guys like this.....RUN!
As a divorced father of 5.. I never hesitated in paying my support and providing medical insurance until they were 18 and their first year in college if they chose to go to college.. REASON.. they are my children they did not ask to be born that was our choice so making certain that they were taken care of was my obligation..
UNWANTED not only those men that you mention but WE have senators and co0ngressmen with the very same problem ..
Dead beat dad has enough money to go on the run in the first place, and all some folks here can think about is that he is being overly punished? Really? LOL! No one kept him from his obligations but himself, and no one kept him from being in his children's lives, but him. Don't feel bad for this guy. He probably had a good chunk of change in the bank when he decided to flee, and since he'd still be on the run now were it not to custom's officials in the Philippines, I'm thinking he still has a few bucks he can use to pay his attorney and therefore his children.
Now tell me. Did he decide to stop running before he was about to be deported from the Philippines and therefore picked up by Federal Marshals anyway, or did it happen when he figured out he couldn't run anymore once he hit the US shore? While that pity me thing may work with some folks in this group, it will not work on the judge, and the guy will get what he deserves.
Yeah, I think 1.2 mil is a little steep. If my math is correct, assuming he never paid anything for 18 yrs for each child, that would come out to about $1800.00 a month per kid. Not that I'm taking up for the guy if he hasn't paid anything. If that's the case, he just needs to go to jail for four years. Too many dead beat parents out there today that need to pay for their own kids. Male AND female.
If they throw him in jail how do they expect him to even attempt to pay anything to help support his kids? I mean, not that he would. He turned his back on his kids and ran from the problem, he's a loser.
With men the courts do not like to rule equal custody, the lean is always towards the mother, Hey i thought women want equal rights?, not a good way to prove it. How come my sister in law has 6 kids and the father (African American) pays little to nothing, but public aid pays the rest? He has other children also. No one is after him for more money he pays almost nothing, when he can pay.
The excess is why men go postal and shoot people. Excess in the sense that...really? Let's get Interpol involved and fly the authorities all over the country to bring a fawkin used car salesman back to New York for child support? The cost of extraditing this guy and going through the legal system was more than any child support one could reasonably hopef for.
What they should have done was give these women the money saved from not trying to look like Hawaii-5-O baddazz legal system. They pay every other 47%'er free money, why not pay these women. And the penalty? How stupid. Throw him in jail and waste even MOER tax payer dollars. Geez...no wonder our country is going to @!$%#.
Unreal is correct. The system is screwed. You stop paying child support for any reason and everything is down hill from there.. I know somebody that was paying child support but stopped because he lost his job. First he got his driver license taken away. Which made it harder for him to get around and find another job. He wasnt able to find a job and then he got a warrant for his arrest. Which at that point made it impossible for him to find a job and pay child support.. Some laws just dont make sense..
@maxgiver, I am in the same boat, and I actually have my child 70% of the time, but that said, you and I probably did not have to pay the outrageous amount this guy clearly was screwed over for, and forced into paying. I know I could not afford what he owed over 10 years. Had he paid, it sounds like he was supporting his ex-wives, not his kids.
How do these women think that he will be able to pay them child support selling cars. If their lucky, they might get $50.00 a month. This dudes a loser for running in the first place.
I'd hate to be in this guy's shoes. Thankfully I don't have any mini-RCMs to support. If I did, I'd be supporting them nonstop in time, money, and love because I'm not a scumbag like this bum.
I was married once. My wife got pregnant and we had a son. 6 weeks after he was born, she left me for another man who she had been sleeping with for the whole 2 years we were married. I spent pretty much every dime I had to fight her in court over all of the property that I had to buy in my own name, because her credit was crap.
She won everything, including both cars, the one I bought for her and the one I bought for myself. She also won the house, that I bought in my name, and I had to pay $1000 a month for my child.
I was completely broke. Had no place to live, no car, and my job no longer paid enough for all of the expenses I had to no pay to my lawyer, and my ex wife. (I still had to make the house and car payments).
I had to move back in with my parents and it took me 3 and a half years just to be to a point where I could even afford to move back out on my own. Needless to say, I fell behind a few times on my payments. She took me back to court and took away my visitation rights to my own child and won, because I was behind on my payments and a so called "Dead Beat Dad".
But with a little help from some family and friends, I was able to borrow enough money to hire a new lawyer and challenge paternity on the child and it comes to find out the child isn't mine at all. So for 5 years I was pushed around, threatened, labeled dead beat, fined and penalized, and broken down financially for a child that wasn't even mine.
I have paid over $80,000 of my own money, just in court appointed obligations to her for all of this. That doesn't even count the money I paid in court costs and attorney fees. My life was freaking ruined because of her, and it was never even my fault in the beginning. She cheated on me and made me pay for her mistakes.
Now the funny thing is, I no longer have to pay her, but I can't get back those 5 years of hell that was taken from me, not to mention all of the money I have lost supporting a child that wasn't even mine. The courts just said,
"Opps, we made a mistake...... My Bad." And that was it.
SO the moral of the story is, you have no clue what the circumstances of any so called dead beat is going through. I was unfairly labeled such, even though I struggled to try to live up to my obligations daily. The system needs reform.
Period......
so he has to pay more in penalties and interest... i wonder who gets money first, the kids, or the government. hmmm.
I feel for you Funny. That's the truly horrible thing about custody battles. I, too, am divorced. And I could post up a long list of the problems with my divorce along with the costs. But I never tried to outrun my obligations. I paid my child support and medical costs as required. But my current wife's ex skipped out on his obligations. But I supported her kids along with mine. Times were tough, but life does get better and I sleep well at night knowing I did the right thing.
As an aside note, my three step children call me "Dad" act like I fathered them. It has been worth all the frustrations.
starsailing
Funny you should mention that...
This very large, and constantly growing, bill for back child support and possibly alimony will never be paid. Accordingly, this fellow will languish in jail at the taxpayers expense and when released can expect only menial and low paying employment.
I suppose they'll garnish some portion of his future meager paychecks which most likely won't even cover the monthly interest in his debt.
To what avail, except to guarantee this fellow will live out his life in poverty, something that will make a vindictive ex spouse very happy.
@Think about it. I never ran from my obligations. I did pay. I had no choice. But I did want to pay. The problem was, I was never given the benefit of the doubt, nor did she nor the courts want to work with me so I could meet my obligations.
Instead I was treated like a piece of crap and a criminal, and heavily penalized, and unfairly labeled because even with 3 jobs and 80 hours of work a week, living off of my parents as a man in my 30's, I still didn't make enough money to meet my obligations. It's not a matter of running away from obligations, it was a matter of being stuck in an unbalanced situation. In reality, it would have never cost me this much money to raise a child if I was still married to her.
I was screwed, but I didn't want to go to jail, and I didn't wan't to shriek my responsibilities that I thought I had to a son I thought was mine.
My situation may be an exception to the rule, but somehow I don't believe that's true.
Backcountry....we notice everytime you post, we hear your theme banjo music from the movie Deliverance....!
BTW....That's not my photo...doh!
Funny-3326490
So did you foolishly agree to a no-fault divorce because where I'm from if you can blame the divorce on her actions she wouldn't have gotten squat.
Dude, it's called a civil suit. Sounds like your new laywer isn't any better than your last.
Funny,
I'm sorry, but you probably didn't have a good lawyer. I know a guy who got served papers when his wife of 20 years left him to revisit an old flame. She got the house because it was her parents' house, from whom they were buying it under the table, but because it was still in their name she got to keep it. She also have 5 days/week and he only gets weekends. He is completely miserable, living in a studio apt and wishing he could have his babies over more often. The system really screws dads over as mothers are more naturally favored (for obvious reasons). If your lawyer doesn't want to fight for you then you'll have no chance of getting what you want.
Another story of a man who got left by his stay at home psycho wife and mother of 2 kids. He has to pay alimony plus child support and she got half of everything (no prenup) but she's insane and lied about him abusing their kids and him.
In the State of CALIFORNIA - Paying child support and visitation are separate issues. They can't be tied together. From what I have read, now days, finding out that a child you've been supporting isn't your biological child, doesn't remove your responsibility to pay child support. (Don't know how it works in all states)- The system is wrought with awful problems. There is no doubt you've been through the ringer.
HOWEVER - After reading your entire saga, and having been through a great deal of it myself from the other side -
The real morale of these stories to pass along to those who haven't wandered into their adult lives is.................make a better decision when choosing a partner - especially if you're making babies. That one decision will dictate the bulk of your happiness/unhappiness in your entire life.
starsailing
Yes, I have little doubt that all of the "people" occupying your head "hear" all sorts of interesting things.
Well then I'd have to say good choice. That spaced-out beatnik look suits you.
Oh, our boy may have to wear an ankle bracelet, but the court is guided by the principle of the childrens' best interests, and clearly they need some support from dad, so he'll be back on the job as a car salesman very soon. The reason child support debts grow so large is (1) dads flip out and fail to participate and negotiate in the process of establishing a reasonable amount; so their earnings are estimated and support is set according to statute; (2) dads go on the run and statutory interest and penalties are compounded as the debt remains unpaid. Do you know what compound interest looks like? That means that once a year the principal of the debt plus, let's say, 8% percent on it, plus penalties are all rolled into a big total, which, for the next year, continues to accrue more principal, interest and penalties until the next compounding. This fellow failed to take responsibility not only for his own children but for himself. It is never in one's best interest to give up. But take heart: a lot of this debt is negotiable and women are notoriously reasonable in negotiations.
If that's the case, you note a hearing on the docket pro se (very cheap and easy) and TALK to the judge about support modification! People are morons and ignore their situation. That isn't the mother's or child's fault!
@Backcountry
I'm from Missouri, but I was married and lived in Texas at the time. I was ignorant to Texas law and it was to my disadvantage. Most of the details about why she left came out after the divorce was said and done. During the time, all I knew was that she didn't want to be married anymore and I wasn't really sure what the problem was.
At the time, I had chocked it up to Postpartum Depression (she had a history of depression from her first child, which I knew nothing about until after we were married.) and I figured that we could work it out in time, if I was patient with her and did my duty as her husband.
"In sickness and in health, for better or for worse", and all that other B.S........ Right?
I'm not an attorney and it was my first marriage and my first divorce. I didn't know the procedure, it was her second divorce so she pretty much knew the ins and outs of the whole situation and pretty much played me like a fiddle.
I guess you never think that the person who said they would spend the rest of their lives with you would actually betray you like that, but I learned my lesson well, and I'm no longer so naive about the real world.
As for the Civil suit, we are in the process of seeing what if anything I can get back out of this, but since it is in the process, I'm really not supposed to talk about it. My last lawyer sucked, this one is actually doing good by me.
I sympathise with FUNNY 33....... I have 6 sons and have seen some of them royally screwed and enslaved by crooked wives, courts and lawyers who could care less about my grand children. I would be very hesitant about getting married in this day and age. Our money grubbing lawyers have created a whole new species of women thinking to live off enslaved x husbands. Makes it a hard environment for decent people and families to thrive in.
What a shocker...if he had been living illegally in the United States, the "Gang of Ocho" would grant him a "Path to Citizenship -tm" and he'd never have to leave
...at least some countries still have immigration laws that mean something
all anyone has to do is give up all rights as a parent to the filthy brat and they wont owe a dime.
@Millie Barton Can't argue with you there Millie. I really only have myself to blame because I made the wrong choice in mate. The woman I'm with now is a wonderful person, and I'm lucky to have met her. She has been with me through all of the ups and downs of these pasts few years and I'm now sure how I would have survived without her.
And even still, I'm nervous to take the next step with her because of what I went through last time. That of course is something I have to get over or risk loosing her too. Human nature can be a b!tch...
I wonder if any women have ever been nailed that hard for support. But then again women don't lose the kids in custody battles regardless of how bad a parent they are. It's always the father that has to suffer the indignity of losing the kids. What a pathetic court system we have.
The system needs Reform obviously. The child support in most cases is so high that it could not be afforded. Then The males are labeled Dead beat dads and forced into poverty. There is absolutley no law or statues of control that says the single mothers even have to put one cent toward the child. In many cases the "child support" Does not help the child at all. I have seen the child support actually be spent on things detremental to the childs development. Most Men know this. most women know this also. however As a society we except it because we fear the system. We fear our own government that is supposed to be ran by WE the people.This is an absolute waste of tax dollars. We the people should be outraged at incidents like this. As long as we accept this as a normal function of justice many more people will be labeled dead beat dads and allowed to have their god given rights taken away. "All it takes for evil to prosper is the indifference of good men." Maybe the time has come when more of us dead beat dads need to organize!
Funny--I'm not sure where you're from but the money that was paid for a child that wasn't yours should be returned to you, if you went through the Attorney General's office. I know of 2 people here in Texas that has happened to and they were paid back everything that they paid in.
As far as the amount owed from the deadbeat dad--the laws vary from state to state regarding how much child support is owed. I know that my BIL is from Mass and the children had to live the same as if the two parents were still together. In other words, he had to keep up with what the children were accustomed to when the two parents were together. It wasn't based on his salary like it is in Texas.
Becca-1141701,
In your sexist little mind you think its that easy. Knowing countless men in the situation, I know you are completely wrong.
GLCSR--my fiance has custody of his 2 children. CPS took those kids from their mom.
Hummmmmmmmmmm ... "Lock Him Up (at $40,000 a year public expense) and throw the key away" until he pays $1. 2 mil and growing bill?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why Would we do that as a society? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sounds like a "Debtors Imprisonment" to me ..... That was effectually done away with in the US in the nineteenth century ...... Wiki " The United States eliminated the imprisonment of debtors under federal law in 1833 [20] [21] leaving the practice of debtors' prisons to states."
So .... to force someone to meet a obligation that they can't possibly satisfy, we lock them up at public expense, ($40,000 a year) so that they can't earn even a menial living and pay a token amount each month toward the obligation? ...
Does locking any debtor up even make sense?
Millions of homeowner have just walked away from their mortgage obligations over the last few years .... and have they been locked up?
Why is this just for "deadbeat dads?" ..... We all deserve equal protection under the law .... and creating all these special groups and classes is a "bag of worms" in that area ...
I know, it all about "the children" .... who suffer ... Sorry, That's just another buzzword to elicit popular support ... I no longer accept it as having any validity for locking up men in prison, and creating a situation, worse than the one they are trying to solve. Women use this as a punishment tool to batter former spouses into submission, and is a costly and inappropriate "fix" to the problem.
Soooooooooo you pay $40,000 dollars a year to punish the father, creating a farther inability to pay anything for child support, and providing no relief for a child's needs, leaving the child potentially in harms way .... ?
The end result is you are punishing the innocent child, for the acts of the father & mother ...
Anyway you look at it ... the law is a lose, lose situation .. the only winner is the for profit jail system Time to stop this madness ... locking up men for this is counterproductive and absurd!
4 years in the pokey, that means 2 years good behavior. NOT bad for 1.2 million divided by 24 months.
Like how the one poster said he paid thousands for a child that wasn't his and couldn't recover the money...priceless. He can't even sue for fraud. Thats how broken family court is. Deadbeat mom is an oxymoron in the eyes of the court. They come after deadbeat dads with a vengence but deadbeat moms get a pass. Gringas are money grubbing ho's.
FUNNY...
i dont know why but somehow i dont think the child was yours to begin with and that she got over on you in more ways than one...
if it takes 1.2million to raise 3, our country failed long ago.
How much you want to bet these kids don't even include him in their lives, they probably don't give a flying ...about their dad, probably because of conditioning by other family members. How much you want to bet when he tries to be a parent, they block him, refuse to see him, and dont take his calls. Ill bet 1.2 million this guy is not invited into their lives because of trash talking mothers and their families. This is the culture we have breed in our kids, money is all that matters, and love and guidance are not even considers when they think of him. Kids are allowed to control their own lives via the internet and parents are blocked by them because they try to interject and be a good parent even when they are distant parents.
Because of divorce, kids are allowed to omit the loser parent (loss in court make you a loser in life according to our family values of today) and never even consider them in their life. Kids are allowed to pick the fun parent...and leave one parent completely broken in all ways. You cant take a persons child away without the parent suffering, and having serious side effects including mental breakdowns, jobs loss, loss of hope, etc.
and this is my arguement for:
CHILD SUPPORT ESCROW
where both parents pay into the system and then the money is "escrowed" out according to expenses incurred by both parents. One parent should not have to pay for a room at their house and also have to pay for food, clothing, and shelter at the other parent house....this is a broken system and it needs to be fixed.
roadlesstraveled
So did you miss the part about interest and penalties accruing over 10 years?
Yeah well that tends to happen when you run away to the opposite side of the globe. Are you actually blaming the kids and mothers for this??? Really??? I'm beginning to wonder if you read anything past the headline.
This is basically the way it works in most places. Each parent is responsible for a percentage of the cost of raising that child which is determined by the combined income of both parents.
Aside for that you're @!$%#ing joking right?? Create an escrow account that each parent has access to?? So basically what you're saying is that you want to take months of legal warfare between two parents and stretch it out for up to 18 years when the child reaches adult hood as each parent fights the other over every single little expense. And who exactly are you planning to put in charge of all of these escrow accounts and where is that money coming from? I think you've spent as much time thinking through this "solution" as you did reading the article.
He should live in my state. Guys here have several children by several different girls, all who live in public housing. The daddy "visits" with a baby mama until he fights with her, then moves on to the next one.
Child support? What child support? Every few months, he will land in county jail for a little while, then for some reason the jail will become over crowded and he will be released.
His baby mamas will throw him welcome home parties and all is good for a while.
As a child of one of these so called dead beat dad's, I can honestly say that he was screwed to the max by shysters, both before & on the bench, & by one of the most vindictive women I've ever known. Now that he's gone I've found & read many of the court documents of the many court sessions in which he always lost more & more. I had an idea growing up with her of what might be going on but if I ever asked Dad anything about it he would just shrug it off & say not to worry about things like that, & I'd figure it out when I grew up. He never said one bad thing about that woman. She made life a living hell for him & me. Nothing but lies & more lies, & it was ALL about money & power.. It was the same for my older half brother & sister, & again it was always & only about money & power. She never had any children after me but she did manage to wreak financial ruin on several men she latter married. Yeah, It was always about money & power, & the courts in their infinite wisdom were always so very wise & understanding.
I konw there some very sorry guys out there who will do any thing to avoid any & every form of their responsibility towards their children, but not all men are like that.
The courts need to really start looking at these cases with a much fairer mind set. Both sides have the right to a reasonable life afterwards, & coming down to hard on any parent can make life miserable for the kids. Shared custody often works best & is way under used by the courts. It costs every body less & is almost always better for the kids.
That seems like an awful lot of money for child support, I think it comes out to something over $3000.00 per month for each child over $100,000.00 a year. That seems a little high for a car salesman.
A little? I am a salesman and I just cleared 55k and it was a decent year, really hard to make 100k selling cars at this time.
The article said he "had" worked in the car business. It doesn't say that was what he was doing when he was divorced. Was the guy selling Kia's or Mercedes?
Non-payment of child support is nothing but child abuse. If he was living with the children and not paying for their food, clothing and roof over their head, people would be raising he!! about it. Men like this put millions of their children living in poverty every year and WE'RE PAYING FOR IT!
Put this guy in jail, let him out every morning to go to work. Be back at 6 and guess what, you're spending the weekend in jail too if you're not working. This crap would stop.
How could that possible be right.... For god sakes he a car salesman!! I believe yes, they are his children and yes he most certainly should have to pay his child support, but why is it so much..... I still believe that his man should be able to also have a life and home, etc. What is the x-wives doing for a living.... If he is not working and paying his support whom is supporting their children?? Also thinking long term who is going to be paying to keep him and his childern if he goes to jail for 4 LONG YRS... I live in Ohio and ( Tri-state area ) I'm the administrator for a small company and do payroll. By law your employer can not with hold more then 65 % of your gross wage, in the state of PA only 55% of your wage can be withheld, but the amount that is over that percentage that still is due... and therefore you will fall into arrears for the unpaid amount, plus penalties and assessments... hum.... The guy should have stayed married.....
Really is that what you think...Kattlekween!!!! Non-Payment of child support is child abuse!!! Open your eyes and think before you speak....Noone here knows this mans situation. If I had two gold digging winches gouging my pockets for $9000.00 a month, I'd run too. It's alright for a female to get an abortion if she did not want to raise a child with out getting permission from the male but I guess muder is the more suttle way to get out of parenting right!!! ( Row V Wade ) gives female all the power to do what she feels is nessary to break a contract. Let a man decide enough is enough and we are labled as dead beat dads and the out come is jail....NOOO!!! More like involentary servitude slaves.....women leave the relationship with children ( F.U) Pay me....women get a divorced ( F.U.) Pay me... It's all about money with you females....That's why Domestic Violence Is at alarming rate all around the world. You push a man so far eventually he breaks....physically, emotionally, & financially...
So I ask you katt...Who is really being abused??
he should have just legally given up all rights to both brats and voila, no more responsibility and he isnt a deadbeat bc hes no longer legally the brats' parent. and wtf is a winch? an abortion isnt murder you illiterate dope, or as you say-- muder and nessary
involuntary -- U - U MORON
I don't often leave comments on here ... And not sure if anyone else is going to read this (but then again I read this far) ... I agree with this one 100% ... My wife decided after years to "move on" ... Things weren't the fairy tale that she imagined they would be ... And after many years of going to school with my supporting the "family" she decided to move out with the kids and seek divorce ... I was not in agreement with this and figured there is ups and downs like we were told by the judge the day we got married ... Anyway, I ended up pretty much losing everything ... We pay child support and they get the tax write off of the kids ... As previously stated by another comment you fall behind and lose your liscense ... You need to drive to go to work ... When we were married we discussed college and agreed "if we can afford it" we would definetly help ... Now that we are divorced and her circumstances are much better than mine "we" can't afford this ... Only one of us can and I am still being held responsible ... I was and still am pretty bitter with this situation but have just come to realize this is what I've been dealt and deal ... Well enough of that rant ...
Perhaps he should use some form of Birth Control...
dont speed if ya cant afford the ticket!! keep it in yur pants if ya dont wanna pay for a little rugrat!!
The man has three children...What about all these men that have thirteen or more?(different baby ma ma daddie, or how ever the h you say it) Recently Judges have FORBID them to father children until they have paid their child/support.
The math here is not adding up... OR do WHITE MEN have to pay more??
This is not a racist comment, but a valid comment... So keep your pants on.
Since when do women need 'permission' do get an abortion? I suppose you forgot what day and age this is you moron. In addition, it is clearly stated in Roe v. Wade that a women does NOT need permission from her father,boyfriend, husband or any man to terminate the pregnancy. I know what a damn shame, boo hoo. Also becoming impregnated is not what you call a contract, an obligation to carry the child to term. How would you feel if you were being told what to do with YOUR body? You can't force a woman to become a mother when she is not really because it is a HUGE responsibility that is life long. People seem to forget that part. Pregnant women who seek an abortion aren't deadbeat mothers because first of all she is not a mother yet and secondly most women seek abortions because they are actually taking responsibility. When women know they cannot provide the proper means and finances for their child, they don't want to bring a new life into this world being underprivileged. And if she DOES decide to make the decision to keep it without being able to afford the costs of having child, guess what dummy YOU do for 18 years. Think on that. And just fyi abortion is not murder, because I'm pretty certain you don't know what murder really is because a embryo or a fetus is NOT A PERSON YET. Go look it up. Wait hold on, since I'm so thoughtful I will have it for you to save time:
Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
There you go. The more you know...
I find it amusing that you believe women are the sole cause of domestic violence and financial ruin. Yes it is so easy to blame them for everything that goes wrong in a marriage. Spare me your whining and crying that men are always victims.
Aires, you need to see the film, THE FILM of a tiny baby fighting for its life, while being aborted. The tiny arms are stretched out, back and forth, while they tare the thing to pieces. Then they crush the skull. Great finale for a few minutes of sex...
Now go watch that film and think about it the next time you have unprotected sex.. Or the next time you lay back and have an abortion.. When this little thing breathes, eats, feels, and screams while being aborted, yes it is a REAL PERSON..
You will have to answer for this, read your bible if you own one.
OH, the biggest reason for roe v wade, was to prevent the back room abortions, the ones that killed many women across the country.. Now we have a Governor from NY that will allow anything just to have an abortion.. He should be called Governor Death.
yea, and your name fits you, GET A CLUE. It is child abuse. If you were not feeding, clothing and sheltering your child when you lived with them, you would be charged with child abuse. Get it? What is the difference? With women making MUCH less than men (still) is it right that a childs style of living should go down because the parents get a divorce? While I agree this is allot of money we're talking about this guy obviously had some "change" traveling the world to get out of child support.
I'm not a man hater and I am a childless woman. I was married to a man, a real man, who paid every month for his two daughters. He divorced in the late 70's and paid $1,200 for two children. We also paid all transportation costs, all private school costs, private music lessons, gymnastics lessons, trips to see HER parents, on and on. We paid for both of there college costs, 100%. We bought both of them new (used) cars and the insurance for both. We provided health care and dental ins. for both of them. They always went home after a Summer visit with a new school wardrobe. We paid childsupport for 3 months in the Summer, too. She was verbally abusive to both of us, and now we find out a drunk.
I'm proud of my husband that he could look both of them in the eye, then and now.
Most of the stories on here are not of men who did not want children in the first place. Therefore, the abortion issue is not valid. I think if the amount is $50 or $5000 there is a reason for that and it should be paid. If there is an issue than fight it in court. If you do not believe the child is yours you should say something right away or forevery hold your peace because the person who gets hurt the most is the child. For one you probably do not treat and love that child as they should from someone they believe is their father and secondly could you imagine being a young child and all of a sudden the father you thought you had is saying 'I am not your father, I do not want to have anything to do with you and it is a relieve not to have to take care of you anymore'. Also, the cost of a paternity test should be on the mother if it turns out there was a different father. It is about the child, not the mother or father. It is a shame when a marriage breaks down, especially when the reason does not seem justified, but the children need to be thought of first. I also wanted to point out that having the children during the 5 day week is not necessarily winning. Mon-Fri is usually filled more with school, chores and homework than playtime or funtime. The 'weekend parent' is seen as the fun parent, while the 'weekday parent' is the heavy.
By the way, he made $500-600K running car auctions and the amount of child support in NY is 29% of earnings for 3 kids, so stop feeling sorry for this loser.
My thoughts exactly, its not alimony, its child support. I don't care what the guy made, but that's and awful lot of money that will really, in most cases, not make a difference in the child's life. It certainlymakes a difference in how the ex-wife lives. Make him put half in a college fund to be used for his kids education.
Nothing mattered to him? When you owe that much money, you might as well forget about paying it because nobody could get under from that much debt. They might as well just erase that debt because they will never see a dime of that money.
What are they gonna do when he's released? Make it a condition of his release that he pay down his debt within six months? And since when do child support debt gain interest and penalties? If I didn't know better, the courts are trying to profit off these parents.
He could have took the money that he paid to flee from his responsibilities, and put that towards his children. Just a thought.............
What you say is true, he did not care about his children enough to suck it up. It wasn't the children's fault, however, I have an interesting question, if he did NOT want children and she got pregnant, is he liable? And, does a man have a real choice when it comes to whether a woman has an abortion (in the instance that she does not want the child and he does) or not? What do you think?
I am one of thousands of fathers that owe back child support from 21 yrs ago still paying because of interest I live in virginia and Im disabled from an accident back in 2007 nd barely making it if it wasnt for my church giving me food I would be starving holly gurvin aka holly wendell was my ex-wife 21 yrs ago after coming home from working 14 hours that day to an empty house I never had a say so in seeing my child and in the divorce papers it even says she was not to alienate my child from me but do you think the courts give a damn about that no they dont all they care about is money and now she is married for the 3rd time I hear to a financial advisor in florida living in a $$250,000 home that she took from her previos marriage while i am living in a 20'x20' little shack that isnt even mine and no car .Im sick of hearing how bad the mother has it and just because the father is behind she automattically labled a dead beat.the real dead beats are the mothers that sit on there ass crying to the courts that the father isnt paying them enough money all the while they are with another man paying theyre bills the courts dont take that into count. Child support is made up to never be paid off.Lets say I took off my my child and left her standing there in an empty house it would be called kidnapping but the mother can break the law and and have the law on her side thats what kind of country we live in now. And in the constitution it states that you cannot be jailed over a debt but how they get around that is that you are in violation of a court order and that is what gets you jailed what a load of crap. If I had known that my ex was just going to up and disappear on me the day we got married I would have ran as far away from her as possible and this has not just happened one time but three times for no good reason at all just because they wanted to break up and now I dont trust not one single woman out there at all I had three ruin my life already with the courts backing them up .this country sucks and so do the laws...........
If you do the math, he owes $1.2 mil from 2002. That would make twelve years or 132 monthly payments of $9,090.91 per month.
Really? A car salesman owes that much for three kids? Somethings is waaaay of with this picture. The states are getting more than half of that for sure with interest and penalties. They make parents out to be such huge deadbeats when more than half of that money doesn't even go to the kids. It goes to the government!
omg, do people not know was "interest" and "penalties" are??? WTF???!!
Kim your not talking to second graders.. Of course we UNDERSTAND interest and penalties, but this
amount it just to big for a car salesman.. Now if you were talking about politicians, OK.
When we read recently about the man that a Judge said FATHER NO MORE, this being a Court
Rule...Thirteen or more children... The Math is not adding up... 3 versus 13 and more... Is child
support based on skin color? This is not a racist remark... so leave your cards in your pocket.
Maybe he should have acted like a man and stayed in the US and paying what he owed instead of abandoning his children. Better yet, he should not have kept having children that he could not afford!
RI POSTER, Your thoughts about not havingchildren that one cannot afford is well founded, however, now apply that theory to all kids and their parents. Parents don't consider affordability. Parents consider profitability. Such as State insurance, food stamps, utility assistance, subsidized housing, public assistance, AND THEN, at the end of the year after not working, claiming them as dependents and getting earned income credits for them. Then on top of that, they go after the other non custodial parent for child support which is tax exempt.
So, although this guy had 3 kids and didn't pay child support, I am sure they are probably obese kids, living at home with their mother's recieving benefits out the ass, with a live in step daddy who works and brings home some more bacon. Or the mother's are well off and in that case don't need that much child support.
If you do not work you cannot file taxes and get earned income credit. Public assistance is not something you file taxes on.
ryandz001, you've got to be kidding me right? I unfortunately have to deal with a deadbeat father. It wasn't my choice to become pregnant, it just happened. You should consider the fact that these things do just happen and it's not ALWAYS planned for profitability! Even though there is a child support Order in place, because I have a job and I try to support myself as well as my daughter I'm not able to receive any assistance, NADA! While my child's father does live of the system because he's a "1099" employee and they can't garnish his wages. He's continued to have children and so my taxes, as well as all the other tax paying citizens pay for his food stamps, medical insurance and any other state/federal assistance he and his girlfriend (who is capable of working as well, but doesn't) receive. So before you blow off about mothers who probably don't need the support anyway. I'm doing it on my OWN, without the public assistance.
If he owes $1.2 million in arrears, then whatever equation the State of New York has for determining the amount of child support owed, must have warranted him having to pay that much. Everyone has the right to have the amount of their support reviewed every few years because yes, financial situations do change and jobs change. But this guy was living on Long Island, NY, apparently car salesman make some dough out that way.
I am one of thousands of fathers that owe back child support from 21 yrs ago still paying because of interest I live in virginia and Im disabled from an accident back in 2007 nd barely making it if it wasnt for my church giving me food I would be starving holly gurvin aka holly wendell was my ex-wife 21 yrs ago after coming home from working 14 hours that day to an empty house I never had a say so in seeing my child and in the divorce papers it even says she was not to alienate my child from me but do you think the courts give a damn about that no they dont all they care about is money and now she is married for the 3rd time I hear to a financial advisor in florida living in a $$250,000 home that she took from her previos marriage while i am living in a 20'x20' little shack that isnt even mine and no car .Im sick of hearing how bad the mother has it and just because the father is behind she automattically labled a dead beat.the real dead beats are the mothers that sit on there ass crying to the courts that the father isnt paying them enough money all the while they are with another man paying theyre bills the courts dont take that into count. Child support is made up to never be paid off.Lets say I took off my my child and left her standing there in an empty house it would be called kidnapping but the mother can break the law and and have the law on her side thats what kind of country we live in now. And in the constitution it states that you cannot be jailed over a debt but how they get around that is that you are in violation of a court order and that is what gets you jailed what a load of crap. If I had known that my ex was just going to up and disappear on me the day we got married I would have ran as far away from her as possible and this has not just happened one time but three times for no good reason at all just because they wanted to break up and now I dont trust not one single woman out there at all I had three ruin my life already with the courts backing them up .this country sucks and so do the laws...........
Women like Jenny will just never get it. They think the courts are fair because they benefit from them. Its her typical sexist attitude that wont let society progress.
JENNY, IT DIDNT ''JUST HAPPEN'' you spread your diseased twat and got fvcked and because youre a whore you nrver heards of birth control so then went and squirted out another steamin pile of @!$%#,like yourself, instead of doin the right thing and having an abortion bc 1 of you is 1 too many
He should also realize by now that marriage is not a word ... it's a sentence :)
I don't understand why they would put him away for four years when he should be working as many jobs as he can to start paying the support back.
Just forget about it already. Write it up as a loss. And cut his nuts off.
This guy will never pay. He doesn't believe he has any obligation to support his children. Moogley offers the best solution.
Don't forget, there are dead-beat moms too.
Buddemon you beat me to that ! they always go after the men but its no different with the women
You're so right Bud, and they should be treated the same if they don't pay. There is NO excuse in not taking care of your children.
Right on moogley!
The reason the clown stopped running is that he came to his senses and finally realized he could have it better here as a "prisoner" in the good ole USA. He knew that life as an inmate is way more better than living hand to mouth in foreign countries. Smart guy, three square meals a day and a warm bed, all for free. In addition, he will most likely slip through the cracks in our legal system once he's released and pay a strip end allowance within the legal boundaries and still live comfortably somewhat. Way to go clown boy! And who picks up the real tab? Why taxpayers of course ...and who loses? Ex-wives and kids. Sad, very sad indeed.
I paid on time for 17 years. my lawyer which was a woman and now a judge told me the system has always favored women. In fact she told me that 93% of all women that are suppose to pay never do. Very few with any repercussions.
Beause if he was working he still would not pay
I'll bet his original child support was reasonable for his income. It's all the fines and penalties that escalated the amount astronomically. Remember that if a penny on day one is doubled each day for a month you get over $5 million in a month. I'm glad that this country finally recognized that both parents are responsible for the children they birth.
For too long, when men left their wives they also dumped their responsibility for their children. Society finally recognized that this was not okay, mainly because society then had to pay for his children through welfare and other programs. Having a child is an 18 year commitment. It's not like you can decide not to pay and someone possesses your kids.
I had a friend whose ex was ordered to pay $15/week for their three kids. That was enough for their $5/week lunches at school. Back then judges looked at how much the man needed to live on before calculating what the children would get to live on. Now it's the opposite. People need to realize the damage they do to their kids when they abandon them.
The vast majority of men who are paying child support did not "abandon" their children. Most of them lost the custody battle, or chose to allow the children to stay with the mother to spare the children from the fight.
The fact that judges don't look at how much the man needs to live is the major reason why there are deadbeat parents. That's about the stupidest thing you can do if you want a person to pay and pay on time. It's pretty tough to hold down a job when you can't afford a place to live or food to eat. It's pretty tough to pay child support when you can't hold down a job.
Patrick, you are on the money. Most parents who lose the custody battle, as if automatically awarding custody to the mom is a battle, get wrapped up in a legal system that is designed to punish men for the crimes of their fathers. Occasionally a mom gets dragged into this system. It's unjust no matter which parent is involved. The problem then as it is now is JUDGES USE NO JUDGEMENT. Then they could give a $hit about the kids, now they could give a $hit about the noncustodial parent. Nothing will change until the citizens of this country can HOLD JUDGES ACCOUNTABLE.
$30,000+ per kid per year is ridiculous especially when most children don't benefit from most of the money.
Can't blame the guy. Some judge decided he didn't like the guy apparently. How often do we hear about men with a dozen children by ten women and they don't owe back support like this guy! I'd have run away too....
Shows the greed of some women to think that they should be getting $400,000/child in support?!!
Mike, as twisted as the news is, maybe the guy OWNED the dealership. We don't have enough information here.
The woman doesn't get to name the amount, the judges do. Yes, I agree with many men here that the women use their children in a divorce and shame on them. The children suffer from all the games people play. Perhaps people should have to attend marriage counseling for a year and try to actually make things work before they just walk away. It's too easy to get a divorce in this country.
Patrick and Buddemon- Do you two have any idea how much it costs to support and raise a child in today's economy? Are you serious that the men aren't given any thought when child support is assessed? It costs less for a man to pay support for the child and still live than it does for the mother who not only has to pay for the domicile, the back and forth to schools, practices, doctors, work, etc., the extras that are not paid for by the measly amount of child support that the courts assess BASED ON what each parent makes at the time of the divorce or assessment. Most child support payments do not even come close to paying for anything but MAYBE daycare for the child or children if that. My ex has been a deadbeat for over 15 years now, and you know what, he probably has money stashed somewhere so they can't garnish his bank account. I have supported MY children all of these years without a monthly payment of the child support, and in the beginning when he did pay the measly amount it wasn't enough to cover child care for one child much less for two. What about the clothing, food, toiletry items, lunches for school, diapers, formula, medicine, etc. that the custodial parent must pay to keep the child? Not covered by the pittance that must be paid each month? Get a freaking second job if you can't afford your child support payments, I am owed more than 90K in back child support, that is with interest and penalties, and like I will ever see that money. Then if they serve time in jail for the back support, often time the judges will lower the amount owed due to hardship!!!!! What about the CHILD????? And I'm not talking just men either, I've known men who have been the caretaker and not receiving support, but they like most of us women who just press on and hope one day something changes, continue to provide for our children without government assistance. I'm so tired of hearing the woe is me because my ex is making pay child support and I can barely support myself, boo hoo!!!! It costs more for the custodial parent than it does the non custodial parent!!!! Do the freaking math people!!!!
Angry American Veteran,
When women are given the children in 90% of the cases, the men dont get to decide that they are the support role. So I dont feel sorry for you since the system does everything it can to help you and screw the guy over.
Angry, yes I do know how much it costs. I also know that if someone is netting $3,000 a month and is paying $1500 a month in child support, he will most likely end up losing his job because he can't afford a car or a place to live. When that happens, he will be paying $0 per month. Evidently your version of "math" considers the $0 a month to be better than $1,000 per month the guy can afford. The judge said $1,500 so he sure as hell better pay that. Right? You people think that you should just automatically get whatever you think you are entitled to with no consideration for where the hell it is going to come from.
I'm all for parents supporting the children they bring into this world. But they can't support anyone else if they are unable to support themselves. People like you need to grow up and face reality.
@kattlekween
Even if he owned 20 dealerships it wouldn't justify outrageous child support payments. It's supposed to be used to support the children, not winning the lottery for ex-spouses! And just to let you know, adults generally use only one exclamation point!
@Angry American Veteran
And that's the supposed point of child support! In a perfect system child support would make up the cost difference between living alone and living with the kids... things like rent is higher on a larger place, and kids need to eat and be clothed. Any more than that is default alimony!
Angry, I understand your anger. However, it's not my fault. Go after your deadbeat ex not every other man. Yes, I do know how much it costs to raise a child. Get this, I have physical custody of my child every other week so I know what it costs to raise a child. In addition, I pay a tidy sum in child support. Why? Because my bum ex quit her job to do community theater during the divorce. Did the judge compel her to work and pay her share? No, they don't do that to women only men. P.S. You married the ass. You deal with the ass and don't become one yourself.
old dog, I agree it's an outrageous amount. We have very little details from MSN about the real story here. Hell we don't even know if THEY have the correct amounts. The entire story is offensive to middle income men/women trying to get anything from their ex's.
If they were living the "good life" before the divorce you can bet their life has changed. Things like food, clothing and shelter are expensive for children. Should children do without the other things they enjoyed when their parents lived together?
Child support is based on a means test, each parent must show what they make and then the support is decided to "equitably" make it fair for both parties to survive. However, we all know that what is equitable for one county, state, judge etc. isn't for another.
@Patrick, really? So you actually know of someone who is making $3K a month and having to pay out 1/2 in child support? I find that very hard to believe since each state determines child support based on....wait for it......how much both parents earn. I've never heard of a state making anyone pay 1/2 or more of their income for child support, unless however the non custodial parent is in arrears and at that point it would only be up and until they were caught up. So, what are we discussing maybe you being a dead beat dad? I find it very interesting that you mention "people like you" would that be directed at women in general or just ones that can actually think for themselves. People like YOU need to realize that not ALL Women are evil, but its useless talking to someone like YOU because YOU only hear yourself. Oh and as far as growing up and facing the facts, LOL, did you not read where I supported and raised two boys without any help? I joined the military, I not only raised my boys and supported them, I served my country, and was the only parent. I don't feel sorry for any man or woman who boo hoo's because they have to pay child support, like I said above GET ANOTHER JOB OR TWO!!!!
@Buddemon-Have you gone back to court to have the child support lowered? Quit complaining until you have. As for me I have gone after the ex, so has a private company whom received 30% of any collected, then back to the state, and yet oh wait that's right, all you have to do is move out of the state that it is filed in and low and behold you can get away without paying again. And wait, work under the table, don't pay taxes, and open a bank account in someone elses name, just to name a few ways to get around having to pay. As for me blaming ALL men, pffffftttttt, I've known quite a few men who are excellent non custodial parents, they do what they are supposed to, they pay the support, and oh, wait for it..... they actually go above and beyond that by helping out when it is needed. They don't shirk their responsibilities. As far as being an ass, I see that you too are angry at women, go back to court, have it lowered, and don't make assanine comments that beg for rebuttals.
@MrBurns-Did you pull that percentage out of your........? I would say more like 75% and that would be because most men don't want the full time responsibility of their children. They would rather be able to come and go as they please without the committment, and those that do try and win custody is because they don't want to pay the child support. As for the rest, well, like Buddeman said in response to me, I'll just change it to the proper gender, YOU MARRIED HER.
As for argument sake on child support, $450 a month for two children is not equitable, and that was because I made more than he did, because he CHOSE not to work full time.
Nope, not a dead beat dad. I am still with the only wife I've had. "People like you" are people who don't understand simple economics. If someone is paying half their income (to catch up or whatever, it doesn't matter why) that income needs to be taken into account. I know fathers who live in what amounts to a shack while their ex wives don't even work. Fathers who wanted to remain in the lives of their children but their ex wives decided to use the children as a bargaining chip for more money. You think that all women are getting screwed by the fathers of their children, and that what he makes doesn't need to be taken into account.
A lot of men work salary jobs that take up almost all of their time every week, while their ex wives sit around and wait for the support check. Yet you want them to take second or third jobs because their wives kicked them out? Because their wives extorted the money from them using the children as bait?
I said before that I completely support people paying for the children they produce. My point was and is that making them pay too much is why they skip out of town. It's the same reason you don't release someone who has been charged with a capital crime on a bond. You don't do it because running away becomes a very viable option. The legal system understands that and takes it into account. But for some reason civil law judges don't understand that principle and they just lay on the penalties like that is going to solve some kind of a problem when all it does is make it worse. This story is a really good example of that.
Hmmm, reminds me why I decided not to marry and have children. That's a lot of child support that will never be paid...
With that attitude I am sure there are a lot of women who thank you for your decision. Do you use a lot of liniment on your right arm? I was 49 before I found Mrs Right but she is worth it.
How do you know he's not a lefty? And how many kids are you supporting? 49 is pretty old to be siring children.
Hope you decided to screw responsibly too.
Had to be a card carrying member of the GOP party. Who else besides publicans could care less about children after they are born?
Your ridiculous statement is like making a spurious claim that all Democrat women are sluts because they want insurers to provide birth control and abortions. Get a life.
Sally Ann: You should look at the statistics before shooting your mouth off.
Democrats are 78% of welfare recipients in this country. Allot of babies daddies out there voting for Obama.
Of course a lot of those daddies voted for Obama. Black daddies just make babies and run. I used to work with a black technician who refused to go into the office for child support because they were looking for him because he had so many babies strung across the city.
Don't let the whites off the hook. They do pretty good themselves. My daughter has 4 kids and never has been married.
Where exactly do these statistics originate. Care to provide provenance for them?
SallyAnn-4595694 = IDIOT
Im a democrat but i didn't vote for Obama im disappointed on how his first term was all the damn broken promises and im against Abortions that's murder whether the child had his/ or her first breath
This has to be a joke!
As a single mother, who was with my ex for 12 years prior to having our baby, I don't sympathize with the 'father'. My son is 15 years old and I've never received one red cent in child support, even though the judge granted me $400 a month. My ex owes me around $50,000 (interest and penalties accrue each and every single day on the unpaid balance), and I'll never see one dime. However, since I live in California, child support here doesn't just go away when my son turns 18. I can go after it until my ex dies, even his social security.
Maybe 'fathers' (or in some cases 'mothers') ought to get that YOUR kid(s) and the lousy few hundred dollars (which doesn't cover anywhere near what it cost to raise them), ought to be paid, before any other obligations you may owe. Even before your 'new' wife and kids.
You want to play, then you need to pay.
$400 a month for a guy making $50,000 a year, seems reasonable and he should have paid it. Most states have a child support enforcement unit that takes the money directly from the non-custodial parent's pay check. However, reading your post I can see why he left your ass in the first place, you are a real sweetie. Still, child support is for the kid and he should pay the $400 bux.
If it is any consolation, in Wisconsin, the dead beats dads have just been getting a slap on the wrist, we are owed well over $50,000.00 in back support, current support and arrearages. My twin's father has since died, and that county has NOT made any effort to collect, he has since died and they are still adding interest on the arrearages. As for my youngest daughter, Waukesha County jail released him instea of transferring him to serve his revocation, and he currently has 5 warrants for his arrest, and do you THINK that someone would turn his sorry BUTT in???? His name is Craig H. Brendemuehl, even his family will hide him, which is very sad to say, but he is still on the run after what about 4 years now, and still nothing.
TERRY....do you understand how much it is to raise a child while single? hire a babysitter while you work, have the social services tell you that cause you make 20 dollars too much they cannot offer you any assistance at all??? Do you understand how much difference 400 dollars would make to a parent?? I cannot believe you told her that based on her post you see why he left her?? really?? she has every right to be mad and to say what she said here. If this moron would have taken the money he blew by going to all these different places trying to escape capture he would have done a better thing than he did putting his cock anywhere he wanted to getting women pregnant marrying them then dumping the children. you do not know what kind of situation Angela is in yet you tell her you know why he left her????? There is nothing wrong with her going after his ass even after the idiot dies. WHy would you say something like that to someone??? really???? you have issues odviously. Do not judge her for being frustrated over what her ex is doing. Angela go after his income tax returns I did it and got my money for my two sons from my ex husband eventually good luck
mrsbossman48
Are you stupid or what? Read what I wrote, you dummy. I never said any of that crap you are spewing. Illiterate idiot.
No Terry YOU are stupid, learn to read what Angela wrote, he OWES her $50,000 not he MADE $50,000. How much do you owe? She has every right to be angry.
Terry,
stop the name calling no one likes it, secondly how would YOU know the reason why he left Angela? Do us all a favor and zip it
mrsbossman48 & kattlekween
I said the damn guy should pay the $400 a month. Get a life.
I have a GREAT life, thanks for your suggestion but i beat you to it!
Terry is probably a deadbeat dad himself. What a POS.
You took his kids and now want his money, and we are suppose to feel sorry for you because...
Terry, not that it's any of YOUR business, but he left me BECAUSE HE DECIDED (AFTER I WAS FIVE MONTHS PREGNANT) THAT HE 'COULDN'T HANDLE BEING A FATHER'. Mind you this was AFTER being together for 12, yes twelve, years...
I was the one who was unsure if I wanted a kid, he had to convince ME to have the baby.
I love and adore my son. He's my whole world and the best part of me.
We're lucky, I don't need his money (never did), and my son doesn't need a male figure for a father. He gets plenty of male bonding with my brother and my father. He doesn't need, want or miss anything, anything at all. Because his 'father' is a deadbeat loser (and at 15, that's HIS opinion of his 'Dad'). I never talked bad about him (to my son or anyone else, except on boards like these). I have always been open to my son about asking questions about his father. I'd answer as best as I could, without malice. Did he ever want to meet him? He's old enough to have figured out for himself about the quality of character his father has...
MrBurns, Keep your pity for yourself. Neither my son or I have no need for it...
I'd also like to thank all those who took the time to really understand my post, although I though it was in plain enough English to be understood on its face. Thank the lucky stars above, neither my son or I 'need' the child support WE are entitled to. I did not go after it, initially, because I never wanted to help him establish visitation right (and he never bothered to on his own). I've heard several of my friends and/or acquaintances tell horror stories about the fathers threatening to go for joint custody, so they don't have to pay child support. No Thanks. Now that he's older, and I've achieved a certain level in my career, I've decided that if I don't need the money, and I never want to see that 'person' again, why bother? If my son needs the money for college, we'll go for it then.
If my ex, or anyone else, doesn't like it...too bad. It's mine and my son's right.
@ Angela- Your story and mine are quite similar, and I believe like you that it is not for me to talk negatively about the other parent, both my sons have developed their own opinion. I commend you for being a single and self sufficient parent. Your son is blessed to have you and your life, like mine is better for having our children in it regardless of the struggles.
Wondered why the amount was so high. Who gets the interest and penalties ?
Someone with a history of being a car salesman owing this much on child support is ridiculous. The child support was too high to begin with, and that is why he ran, he could not make it and was boxed in to being a slave. Ignorant courts forced this guy to run. Also, why would a federal court be involved in a child support case? This is total BS and women profiting off child support is just disgusting. Child support should be of the proper amount to supplement the custodial parents income to support the child, not an avenue to riches or wealth for the custodial parent. I wouldn't give them a damn thing, I would just park my ass in jail and sit there until I grew old and died, screw them.
Very well said.
1.2 million over 12 years. 3 million for 4 years in prison. Do the math. It makes sense in American lost justice.
"Little Tom where is your dad today."
Little Tom, "He's in jail, i mean prison."
"What? Why? What did he do?"
Tom, "He did not make his three hundred dollar payment mommy."
The crime here is the fact tha he owes 1.2 mil. How in the hell did a court order that amount??? WTF?
The story does not explain what his previous income was that resulted in whatever the child support orders are.
No way should this person be put in jail to live on the taxpayers dime and still not support his children. He should be put on probation including electronic monitoring and everything he earns over a subsistence amount should go to his child support obligations.
Intersest and penalties??? What the hell is that?
It's the state's share Tony
Screw with the system, don't fight it, atleast you get 3 squares a day and a warm house to live in.
As unreal as this is and disgusting, the government should invest as much into checking what
paid child support funds are actually used for!!!!!!
"He was arrested and then deported from the Philippines in November 2012 because he lacked proper identification, prosecutors said."
Please take note of this...even the Philippines deports people for lack of identification...
1.2 Million??? Since 2002??? I was expecting this guy to be a CEO of a company or something. He's a car salesman! As a divorced father, I understand having obligations to your children, but this is way over the top. That court system should be ashamed of themselves. No wonder why he fled, there's no way he can live paying that much.
1.2 million in back child support for 10 years?? Absurd and unrealistic. As a car salesman, that is even more ridiculous. He has spent more time in jail than some REAL criminals. I agree he needs to own up for his children, but our judicial system is a complete joke!! Let the judge in Florida who slapped his kid listen to this case.
So Money, you don't consider being responsible for the children one makes as not a "real" crime? Wow, please don't have children.
I don't want to justify this guy, however, he obviously couldn't live by paying that amount of money. No way. That's probably why he felt helpless and fled. Not that right thing to do, no. What Money is saying, that you can't seem to figure out, is that it's a crime to put a parent under that money pressure to begin with. I've seen fathers that couldn't make a living with amount of child support they had to pay. And somehow, women in particular, think they DESERVE it.
Talanx, you are exactly right on this one. I got friends who are not hardly getting by and will finally get free from child support this year. The government doesn't care about your rights as a father. The beauty of this there are some dads who are better parents than the mothers. But because the system is screwed they get all the money. I was so happy to be through with this mess. I live my life so much better now. Hell it was a pay raise after the fact!!
As a parent who has a deadbeat ex I have no sympathy for him. Most states will work with you and if you pay something they will add interest, but not take any legal action against you. You are also entitled to have routine re-examinations so if your income changes you can request a review and have it lowered (mine has done this several times despite not paying in the first place). This isn't a case of him being overwhelmed and tormented. He made the choice to have no relationship with his kids and to totally avoid at least the financial responsibility. As for enhancing the lifestyle of the one raising the child, that may be true in some cases. For me I have paid every cost out of my pocket for every aspect of my childrens lives. More importantly I have been their sole parent. I should get every penny he was supposed to pay AND INTEREST. If you aren't going to parent your children the least you should do is help pay for them!
Yeah, and I have a deadbeat ex that hasn't showed up or sent a dime for two and a half years... So take your man hating, and go away. That dude in no way owed 1.2 million as a car salesman. Selfish. Selfish and Greedy... Our justice system has NO fairness built into it.
Redhead, do you think mothers are the only ones that have deadbeat Exs? I'm a father that had to pay child support and back child support, plus interest. I paid it all and it was hard. Then the court finally awarded me full custody of our children and she didn't pay didley. She actually cost me money. Also, there are so many more entitlements for single moms than there are for single dads. Fathers always get the raw end with no appreciation whatsoever. But you don't have any sympathy towards a guy that has to pay 1.2 million? It's people like you that makes this system suck. Your just as much to blame as deadbeats.
And by the way, readhead, child support isn't base on whether the non custodial parent sees the kids or not. It has no bearing at all.
I'm not sure how a man could owe 1.2 Million when he isn't even close to making it intrest or no intrest. But the simple answer is to have it deducted from your paycheck. I have done it and makes your life much more simple. That way you don't hear the skank you are stuck with for the next 18 years of your life and you get no letters in the mail either. Child support is a mutha. Especially when the mother doesn't spend it on the kids. But you get used to that after awhile. Works out great because my kids grew up and saw that my ex wasn't about $#!t.
Ny won't They don't care. I don't know where you live Red but it is insane here. they figure child support at PRE TaXED dollars. I live in the most taxed place on the planet and that's how you figure it? How is anyone suppose to live? I love my daughter more than anything and would keep her in a heart beat, and that is why I'm fighting for her. But, the fact is I don't know how much longer I can afford to fight for her. If I lose and have to pay the crazy amount they say, won't I be a dead beat dad because I will be working 3 jobs and never be able to see her?
Hey Redhead
My Ex-wife owes me $32000 in back child support. You appear to be sexest, just l like the state of Texas. I tried to get help from them, but their response from the female investigator was " we only go after dead beat dads ". You are just as much to blame as your ex, if not more. I have raised my son since he was 3 years old, with no help from his " mother ". So, get the facts correct before you post a sexiest remark.
Redhead1206
Oh, and one other thing, approx. 85% of the prisioners that are in federal prison today, are from single mothers house hold. And, only 1% are from single father house holds. Of course, the liberal media just will not print those statistics. Hm-mm wonder why?
jjdallas, I too live in Texas and told the investigator that my ex was not doing anything with the child support as my children were calling me to have pizza delivered to them in Houston. And I was living in Dallas. I would go there to pick them up and they would show me how the house was empty or the power was turned off or the water was off. This went on for 23 years as I had to pay out till all my kids was 18. But the investigator told me "that was none of my business" what she was doing with the money. I am just suppose to pay it? WTF!! I am glad that problem is over now.
That's nothing I 've been trying to collect from my ex and he works for the Sheriff dep. and they wont help me servie him so he can pay child support and it's been 6 yrs can anyone help me out there .
Obedin...... Kinda sounds like Obama and Biden....... I'm just sayin.......