But lets just hope the support ends here.

GM TF

Hasn't anywhere else. Besides he has to prove a point and hand out some more "drone metals" as well.....Un-friggin-real. ....our people once again put in harms way by a person who never worn the uniform and has absolutely no clue.

Shades of Vietnam.

Precisely what I was thinking.

President Barack Obama has deployed American military personnel and drone aircraft to the African country of Niger

Vermontguy,

What friggin part of "military personnel" do you not understand?

@ seaskip

Lied did he now well I am afraid to tell you this but Bush received his information from Clinton Administration.

That is why the Dems voted for the war because the information came from the Dems Clinton.

But you can keep on lying to the people because we know better.

Why do you think the Dems did not push for answers? Because they knew where the information came from and it would just point it back to them.

Where is Pigotry. Isn't she the one that just this morning said that Bush was the one send our troups of to places other then here in the states. WHAT IS YOUR STATEMENT FOR THIS. Or are you goign to ignore this like 2/3 of the stuff Obama does?

@ seaskip

LOL you are funny from Dick. Your right that dick was Clinton.

About oil how so? I did not see 500 ships come back with oil did you?

GET OVER IT..

gee Scooter do you mean all the troops we have in countrys around the world with their boots on the ground includeing Germany and France are all combat troops (military Personnel ) I thought Boots on the ground refers to Combat troops only ..not all military personnel

@ its

That's what you can believe lets see links. That link at #1.25 was nothing to prove your facts.

Not one word in that link said Bush so how did that prove your point?

Seaskip,

Here are some direct quotes from prominent Democrats that sent us to Iraq. Both sides were involved regardless of how Hollywood portrayed it in the movies. Read much?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the
capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver
them. That is our bottom line."

--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."

--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great
deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
security threat we face."

--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
since 1983."

--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."

Letter to President Clinton, signed by:

-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct.
9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has
made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."

-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the
United States and our allies."

Letter to President Bush, Signed by:

-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of
the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means
of delivering them."

-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."

-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
power."

-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."

-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build
up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports
indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."

-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that
a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and
grave threat to our security."

-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons
within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass
destruction."

-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy
his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do"

-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ...
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to
increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep
trying to develop nuclear weapons."

-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity
for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly
grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And
now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his
consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam
Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."

-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Shades of Vietnam.

alas, you are correct...

we will never learn.

Very good post "notsosure"! Just get ready to be called just about everything under the sun for even implying that Democrats were even remotely responsible for the wars they are blaming on Bush.

To ...not so"""

Jeeeze ...here we go again.....

Claim: Quotes reproduce statements made by Democratic leaders about Saddam Hussein's acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction.

Origins: All

the quotes listed above are substantially correct reproductions of statements made by various Democratic leaders regarding Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction. However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them — several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S. Moreover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of airstrikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in "degrad[ing] Saddam Hussein's ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."

In the section below where we highlight these quotes, we've tried to provide sufficient surrounding material to make clear the context in which the quotes were offered as well as include links to the full text from which they were derived wherever possible.

....http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

To notso""""

notice the emphasis on "new" intelligence ..you can't blame democrats for bush's war ..don't work that way ..no matter how hard you try

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction

.Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."
George Bush
Radio address, October 5, 2002

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States."

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
George Bush
Cincinnati, Ohio speech,
October 7, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.
Ari Fleischer December 6, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons
. Ari FleischerPress BriefingJanuary 9, 2003

"25,000 liters of anthrax ... 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin ... materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent ... upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents ... several mobile biological weapons labs ... thousands of Iraqi security personnel ... at work hiding documents and materials from the U.N. inspectors."
Colin PowellRemarks to UN Security CouncilFebruary 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.
Vice President Dick Chaney
March 16, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

George Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.

Ari FleisherPress BriefingMarch 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them

. Gen. Tommy FranksPress ConferenceMarch 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.

Defense Policy Board member Kenneth AdelmanWashington Post, p. A27March 23, 2003

on Iraq WMD
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.

Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.

Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne

Press Briefing
May 13, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogated or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.-
-George W. Bush
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

You remember when [Secretary of State] Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on

-George W. Bush
Press Briefing
5/30/2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.

Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview

It is possible Iraqi leaders decided they would destroy them prior to the conflict

Donald Rumsfeld, US Defense Secretary 28 May, 2003

But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.

--George W. Bush
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

You remember when [Secretary of State] Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on And we'll find more weapons as time goes on

--George W. Bush
Press Briefing
5/30/2003

Not all of the oil would be bound for the U.S.

You people are freaking morons...When will you actually read the article instead of making @!$%# up. What part of intelligence and unarmed drones, do you not get?

@ NPCDan

yes notsosure post is awesome but you see what happen when you prove them wrong the call you names or run and hide...

Good job on that notsosure!

Notic the silence...

Where did you run too @its

@ Amunaka

You just made yourself look foolish if you ask me.

Most off your proof is after the war started and notso""" is mostly before it.

Thanks for proving you DEMS don't read..

Like we are telling you the information came from Clinton and you helped prove it.

Iran supports extremist, extremist cause problems all over the ME and Africa causing allot of financial strain and spreading out of our forces, do you see the pattern can you understand why diversions are a tactic and Obama is falling for it, we need to stay focused on the ME, we also have a growing problem with China and Obama is Bullying his way through office with the attitude its my way or nothing and we are about to cut the military budget because Obama wants to give America away, let Europe help Africa, our hands are full, we cant put anymore on the plate we need to be cautious at this point s#it can hit the fan at any time, why don't the French have their own drones? lets sell them a couple dozen!

Amunaka,

No arguing the quotes in your post 2.18. However I am sure that some of yours were taken out of context as well as the democratic ones reported before. So much for trying to make your point! No one debates that Bush sent troops into Iraq. No one disputes the amount of reference that was made to WMD's. Where the problem lies is with those that claim Bush deliberately lied in order to start a war for oil! They have absolutely not one shred of evidence to prove that this is the case! Further, with the war now over and oil prices still rising throughout the world, the theory of war for oil is looking pretty bleak. Our point is that the Democrats were in favor of military action in Iraq just as they were in support of going into Afghanistan after Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

I am not necessarily against what the president is trying to do, as it falls into line with our stance on terrorism. Mali is in a state of chaos just like Afghanistan was after the Soviets left and could be a fertile ground for Al Qaeda to grow again. What I am against is this administration blaming everyone but themselves for everything. I am tired of this administration not taking responsibility for its actions both positive and negative. I am tired of this administration taking responsibility for things they had no hand in and passing the buck on failures more than 4 years into their terms.

Dr.EndTheDrugWar-4061401

Unarmed for how long? And how long will it take to arm them?? 5 minutes 10.

Just to be clear, Bill Clinton unilaterally attacked Iraq in June 1993 (in response to an assasination attempt on Bush Sr.) He also signed the Iraq Liberation Act, which basically declared war, just not with our troops. Both parties were 100% bent on regime change. You can't re-write that.

President Obama Better remember what happened the last time we went in to a Country to give aid where France was. It was 10 years and 56,000 American lives or was it 58,000. Ya we were just advisers.

For the trolls, yes old information from the clinton days was thrown in the mix for justification of the irac war. However the main "intelligence" used to win a vote for war was that from a now infamous informant known as Curveball. There have been several reports that point to his information (now known to be lies) as the sole source for the bush administration to justify and sell its war in irac. There is also proof that the bush admin was warned by the germans and others that this intelligence was not reliable yet they still used it to push for war.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1120-01.htm

That being said, it is both gangs (R and D) that own the irac and afgan wars, they both are at fault one group for being stupid and the other for following those known to be stupid!

Now the conflicts we are faced with now (everywhere we are dropping bombs via drone warfare), may be traced back to past admins and idiotic U.S. foreign policy of arming one radical group to fight the other radical group that the guys we don't like are supporting (the same policy we are still using), but it is Obama that owns these current conflicts. Whether you agree with how he is fighting these conflicts (i will agree that this way is less costly in american lives) or not, bottom line Obama is just as much of a war monger than bush was, in fact there is very little difference between both admins.

And all the while we do nothing but multiply our enemies, by dropping bombs on innocence!

More US lives and money wasted chasing bearded Muslims in faraway lands...

So now we have "boots on the ground" in Africa once again. Didn't obama already send 200 combat ready troops to another african nation in 2011?

seaskip

Hmm Republican war mongers?? Let me see WW2 was entered into by FDR Democrat, Vietnam war by JFK Democrat. But the republicans are war mongers?? I believe you need to visit a protologist for cranial cavity removal.

It's so funny/outrageous seeing all the liberals on here defending Obama about sending more troops into a combat zone. Do you people ever see the hypocrisy here? If this was Bush all of your eyes would be bulging with rage over this

To Bounty""""

Right...

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

*******Containment, by contrast, was the preferred approach of the Clinton administration and its preferred method for assuring multilateral support for the US on Iraq in the Security Council. In the context of divided--and increasingly acrimonious--party control of the White House and Capitol Hill from 1995-2001, the competing approaches and institutional arenas in which they vied for support militated against a reliable clarity of goals, strategy and tactics on the part of the US.
It was only with notable reluctance that Clinton signed into law the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998--heavily pushed by the GOP Congress--that made rollback the express goal of official US policy."

However, according to clandestineradio.com, "U.S. Congress also pursued a bill dubbed the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998 to force the White House into supporting the INC. Passed with bipartisan support, it promised the INC US$97 million in aid to create an administrative infrastructure fund broadcasting efforts, and also to buy light armaments.

The President and his advisers, however, were not amused. Bill Clinton dragged his heels for weeks before signing the bill, and once signed on December 31, 1998, it languished in layers of bureaucracy in Foggy Bottom.

Without cash, the INC could not begin to rebuild itself yet the U.S. Department of State refused to disburse the funding. "In fact, only US$20,000 had been provided between January 1999 and July 2000 to train three Iraqi exiles in non-lethal measures at the Pentagon. If provided with funding, Ahmed Chalabi told U.S. Congressmen on June 28, 2000, 'we can begin humanitarian relief projects within 45 days and begin broadcasting operations in less than 30.' "'I cannot understand why President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act when he had absolutely no intention of implementing the provisions of that law,' Sam Brownback, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee on the Near East, commented during a 2000 hearing on the issue.

Chalabi, speaking during the hearing, went even further, saying that the INC has been 'routinely disparaged by adminstration officials from the National Security Council (NSC), the CIA, the State Department and the Department of Defense. And, while blaming the victim may provide temporary political cover for betrayal of US interests, ideals and commitments, it has done little for the confidence of the Iraqi people or Iraq's neighbors.'" The Iraq Liberation Act, October 31, 1998. Statement by President William Jefferson Clinton.

To lazertroll"""""

Nice try but ....and who is it that looks foolish ...what a hoot

***Philosophical or not, since its founding in 1992, Chalabi's INC has been trying to drag the United States into war with Iraq. By its very nature, the INC's strategy -- building a paramilitary presence inside Iraq, creating a provisional government, launching attacks on Iraqi cities -- was intended to create inexorable momentum for a war in which in the United States would be compelled to support the INC. But American policy in the 1990s was focused primarily on containing Saddam Hussein and depriving him of weapons of mass destruction, so the INC's efforts were sidetracked during the Clinton administration.

*****Britain's furious security services have established Prime Minister Tony Blair's claim Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction - including some which could be launched within 45 minutes - came from "a highly discredited source": Ahmad Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress.************

*********" The original tip on the trailers was provided by a defector working with Ahmad Chalabi, the head of the Iraqi National Congress and now a member of the U.S.-appointed Governing Council in Iraq. Secretary of State Colin**********

*****It was information provided by Chalabi that led Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz to a prewar belief that Iraqis would rise up and welcome the invading coalition forces with open arms, that the Republican Guard troops would surrender in droves, and the regime of Saddam Hussein would crumble in a matter of days. Because that information was wrong, officials at the State Department and the CIA have argued that Chalabi has been discredited and should have no leadership role in postwar Iraq *******

*****Despite being detested by the State Department and the CIA, Ahmed Chalabi found strong support in the Pentagon and US Congress, which generously provided funds in support of his
opposition to Saddam Hussein through the INC.******

*****"These people simply wanted military intervention." Sometimes unfairly, Chalabi is blamed for encouraging his friends in Washington to think that an invasion would be a breeze and reconstructing Iraq not much harder*********.

*******Citing New Yorker writer Seymour Hersh, Kurtz suggests that Chalabi was a key source of WMD "evidence" for the infamously biased "intelligence unit" known as the Cabal set up in the Pentagon by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld last fall, when he found he couldn't get what he wanted from the CIA. Kurtz goes on to say, "Chalabi may have been feeding the (New York) Times and other news organizations the same disputed information."********

******Chalabi's claim about Saddam's weapons were passed to Downing Street through a special secret unit set up by Rumsfeld to "review" intelligence reports from the CIA and other US spy agencies who had cast doubt on the existence of the weapons.

In the run-up to war, Rumsfeld ordered the unit to "re-examine information provided by Iraqi exiles and to evaluate warnings of the threat posed by Iraqi ties to Al Qaeda and Saddam's efforts to develop illegal weapons". The information was to be given the same credibility as from intelligence sources.*******

To the Germans, Chalabi provided a source code named "Curveball" (appropriately, as it turned out), who told of Saddam's building mobile bioweapons labs. Another defector sent to the DIA by Chalabi supported Curveball's tale. DIA labeled this defector a "fabricator" and attached a warning notice to his report, but the notice was so highly restricted that other intelligence officials never saw it. Both defectors' reports—apparently pure fiction—worked their way into official pronouncements and became part of the Bush administration's building case for war.

Months later, when Colin Powell was feeling burned for having dramatically presented "facts" to the United Nations Security Council that turned out to be shaky at best, the secretary of State privately, but bitterly, blamed Chalabi.

Powell also faults the neocons in the Bush administration who swallowed Chalabi's phony stories and pushed them into speeches by the president and vice president.****

tracon WOW just like those other progressive liberals that shoot up innocent children & adults. You are not planning on a MASS killing are you? You need to get some serious help. Your head is way off wack.

To..Arch""""

No dems were in favor of containment not a war with Iraq ...and who told you you we're going to get any profits from Iraqi oil...the whole Iraqi war was a failure of the bush administrations that Iraq was going to be the model for bringing democracy to the Middle East through military might and American global leadership

That's worked well hasn't it

They were divvying up the Iraqi oil less than two months after occupying the White House

Jul 17, 2003

CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE DOCUMENTS FEATURE MAP OF IRAQI OILFIELDS

Commerce & State Department Reports to Task Force Detail Oilfield & Gas Projects, Contracts & Exploration

Saudi Arabian & UAE Oil Facilities Profiled As Well

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force, contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” The documents, which are dated March 2001, are available on the Internet at:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/oldsite/iraqi-oilfield-pr.shtml

Hey SEASKIP since you believe its all about oil, tell me exactly how much oil we got from the IRAQ CONFLICT?

Oh yeah thats right, none. We conceded the oil rights to China and Russia who have ALL the drilling and refining rights. I guess that whole theory of yours is up in smoke huh?

IA.ScooterTramp

our people once again put in harms way by a person who never worn the uniform and has absolutely no clue.

But it's ok for others, who have also never worn the uniform(s) -- or have worn a uniform but used their political connections to stay far away from anywhere dangerous -- and have no clue to place our people in harms way because they "happen" to not be one particular politician?

At least this one is sending troops and such to help fight terrorism because the stated aim is to fight terrorism -- not because there happens to be oil to protect.

Don't send troops and drones and get criticized....Hey where was Obama when the phone rang at 3:am, he didn't do any now stuff hit the fan in that region.

Send troops and drones and get criticized....I can't beleive he is wasting our resources over there.

Can win either way...Darn if you do....Darn if you don't

Dear Amunaka,

He signed it instead of vetoing it. He also sent the missles in '93. What about the large scale 1998 bombing of Iraq to 'degrade' their ability to make WMD? Did congress bully him into that?

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm Is it so hard to admit that both parties are responsible for the mess we are in?

Somehow, in my lifetime, the collective thinking of the American has been modified to accept the word "Terrorist" as the synonym that replaced the formally respected (and accepted) "Freedom Fighter" fighting to save his nation from oppression .... he's now the "Bad Guy"

These conflicts are not in our long term national interest to be involved in ... Taking sides in these strife ridden areas breeds contempt for our country as a whole , and inevitably drags us deeper ..

Lets try minding our own business ... and saving our military for our on defense ... not offense ..

Bruteforce-2815572

It's so funny/outrageous seeing all the liberals on here defending Obama about sending more troops into a combat zone. Do you people ever see the hypocrisy here? If this was Bush all of your eyes would be bulging with rage over this

And it's so damn funny to see all the right-wingers bulging with rage over Obama sending troops top fight terrorism. Guess you're too stoned to understand the irony -- and the hypocrisy.

I live for the day when anyone with an (R) or a (D) behind their name gets taken out back...

To..Bounty"""

Notice the neo-con signatories...

January 26, 1998

The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

The policy of “containment” of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam’s secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

I find its odd that everyone is trying to blame the Republicans or Democrats for all that is going bad in the world. It seems to me the Islamic terrorists are the enemy and not the politicians in Washington. I am just glad the wars are over there instead of here.

Obama is the typical *&^%$#@ from Chicago. He gets off by killing people.

Amunaka, just to be clear, my point is that both parties did their part to start a war with Iraq. They did much of this w/o international consensus (unilaterally.) The rest of the world see's us as imperialists, and we keep proving them right.

Ed-233, why would any Islamic person care about us? What's their motivation? I believe their motivated by the activites initiated by the Democrats and Republicans who keep putting (and leaving) troops in their country. Or funding and assisting various regimes, gangs etc. Why wouldn't they put troops (terrorists) in our country?

I hope our president remembers to send an invoice to France for services rendered.

D'OH!

Here we go again...

"He said that the American military personnel were armed for their own protection and security."

We heard the same thing in the early '60s in Vietnam.

Everyone is so entrenched in either the Democrat or Republican parties. It is time to get out of the foxholes and climb up onto the hills so you can see who the real enemies are. They are both parties. They are standing there side-by-side laughing at you dug-in so deep you can no longer see that they are both putting on acts, a good show, to keep you divided while they divide the profits. They're playing good cop - bad cop against us while both sides are the bad cop. They take from us as they give more power to themselves and their true masters, the wealthy, which they are also a part of. Why do you think they only cut from programs that benefit the middle class and poor and never take from those things that give money to the rich? Wake up people while you still own a home or you may wake up in some chain-link enclosed camp somewhere!

I'm not one to favor putting military "boots on the ground" casually. That's not to say if there isn't a damn fine argument, my thinking can't change towards a policy shift. The difference between now and Vietnam is the Landsat Satellite survey of the earth's surface over the decades following the war in Vietnam. This gives a clearer picture of drought conditions and the need for food resources, and water resources around the globe. These food resources will primarily be provided by the West, the surplus grain producing nations primarily the US, Canada, and Australia, ( and some others as secondary annual surplus food producers ). The food available to some nations populations in Africa, may not be available to that country's neighbors.

I view drones as extensions of satellites. If a horse had fingers on front hoof, it would be less dependent upon the farmer on providing it grain, hay and water. Africa does not have the soil and water as a geological resource which North America and Europe enjoy... the very nations which set policy on resource consumption, and who have the military might to enforce those policies. I'm one to not favor a colonial expansionism mindset. One good thing I see happening though. Al Qaeda is encouraging the planting of trees in Africa, to hide under, not to prevent the the expansion of desert... but their solution to find hiding places may well help check desert expansion. So by putting up drones, Al Qaeda plants trees, and I'm all for the latter.

amanuka, so your opinion please; were there wmd or not? Could we have contained or not? Did the democrats in congress agree with Bush? And how did you marshall all this detail so quickly? Just curious.

The initial challenge to your first post was to show the Iraq war was accepted universally not only by congressional dems but also by the UN and our "allies".

Finally have you got an opinion on Niger and Mali? My opinion is I've seen the US enter a war zone for support of the French as the French withdrew. It started with Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy. The reasons look well thought out but the potential for entanglement in an internal conflict is ominous. Where do you stand? I don't want to enter another war.

Close the borders, drill for oil in anwr, finish the continental pipeline for Canadian oil, close the tax loopholes, impeach the pres if he doesn't respect the tenets of the constitution, teach the children, speak the language, take no prisoners, etc etc.

You can't separate yourself from any truth with data. You have to have stick out your neck and say it. The devil is indeed in your detail.

Another Obama Drone flying over a foreign country? Give him another Nobel Peace Prize! We can put it next to Arafat's, where it belongs.

To all you knuckle dragging liberals who keep blaming Bush for Iraq. Well it was Biden who In 2002, as Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he stated that Saddam Hussein was "a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security" and that United States has "no choice but to eliminate the threat". He also said, "I think Saddam either has to be separated from his weapons or taken out of power." Biden also supported a failed resolution authorizing military action in Iraq only after the exhaustion of diplomatic efforts, Biden argued that Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons and is seeking nuclear weapons;^[50] he subsequently voted in favor of authorizing the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Also Biden being Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings and investigations concerning the invasion.

These effing Drones are going to do nothing except create more terrorists. When is this government going to realize that they are doing more harm than good. For every one terrorists killed by drones they kill atleast 10 women and children. By doing so they also crate about 10 to 20 more terrorists to every civilian killed. Obama's first attack into Yeman killed over 40 women and children as he/they launched a Tomahawk equipped w/cluster munitions. This missle struck a bedouin village. At that time there was only one known Al Quadda in the whole area, well quess what now there are thousands. Obama just keeps trying to kill his way to peace

Drones...targeting Obama's taliban meatsicle's and citizens since 2009. Hey...its not your fault if a gamer pulls the trigger...right Prezzy??

When is America and most of the posters here going to understand both the President and Congress have limited control over what is happening with the military. Didn't Truman say it all with his warning about the militay industrial complex? The dim bulbs in Washington are given the intel that the powers want them to have and use the useful idiots to do their dirty work. All the while we fight amongst ourselves about whos fault it is the dems or repubs. Get it through your heads, until We the People keep informing everyone of the evil of the elite nothing will change.

Obama needs a good fallback reason for not cutting the defense budget. The irony has me LMAO. What's really hilarious is we have "liberals" on this post right now trying to blame this move on Bush. It just shows how ignorant and uninformed some of the "Progressives" are.

TheKhanKubla

Everyone is so entrenched in either the Democrat or Republican parties. It is time to get out of the foxholes and climb up onto the hills so you can see who the real enemies are. They are both parties. They are standing there side-by-side laughing at you dug-in so deep you can no longer see that they are both putting on acts, a good show, to keep you divided while they divide the profits. They're playing good cop - bad cop against us while both sides are the bad cop. They take from us as they give more power to themselves and their true masters, the wealthy, which they are also a part of. Why do you think they only cut from programs that benefit the middle class and poor and never take from those things that give money to the rich? Wake up people while you still own a home or you may wake up in some chain-link enclosed camp somewhere!

@TheKhanKubla,

best post so far, thanks!

Amunaka,

Since you have NO Firsthand Experience (Defintion of a Fact, Experience and Observation):

First President Clinton demanded the US Policy, Overthrow of President Hussein with his 1998 State of the Union Address, Weapons of Mass Destruction, US Support of the Holy Warriors of Islam at Bosnia, etc..

Transcript President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/27/sotu/transcripts/clinton/

Second in response the US Congress passed into US Law, President Clinton's H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, Section 2 Findings (Justifications) Weapons of Mass Destruction.

President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1057063/posts

Third, in 1998 we are attached to the CIA's SAD/SOG to go into Iraq. Our Mission, to hire, organize and train hundreds of thousands of Shia of Iraq as assassins and insurgents to Overthrow Sunnis President Hussein. Those of us that survived the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, knew that President Hussein was the Counterbalance to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran using the Iraqis Oil Wealth and the lives of the Iraqis Citizens of the Iraqis Military, so we protested, and were immediately threaten with prison; so instead of prison we went into Iraq 1998. We found out that due to President Clinton's Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies the Local Iraqis Intelligence Assets were no longer funded and to survive and provide for their families had become Iraqis Counter Intelligence Agents (anti US), Iraqis Military Intelligence, Iraqis Law Enforcement (including Iraqis Secret Police), etc. and they were waiting for us to attempt anything, we did not have any local Iraqis Intelligence Assets to link up with nor get current situational intelligence from. So the hundred thousand Shia Iraqis (mostly from Iran as Illegal Aliens) were caught, tried for Treason, executed as Traitors, and dumped into mass graves. President Clinton spun this failure to "Dictator Massacred His Own People".

Fourth after the failure above, while still at Iraq, hiding with Pro US Iraqis, we are ordered to conduct 1998 Operation Desert Fox. It is President Clinton as Commander In Chief idea that targeting the Iraqis Political Leadership would mean that he would have no one to negotiate Peace (the step down of President Hussein), so he Ordered the Targeting of the crowded urban poor areas of Baghdad, again we stated our opposition as you NEVER f**k with the Poor of Islam, so we were not allowed to do any Targeting, just Target Damage Assessments.

During President Clinton as Commander In Chief Ordered 1998 Operation Desert Fox thousands of the poor of Islam died in the Airstrikes and Cruise Missile Attacks. The over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide Condemned the US as the Great Satan; in retailation Osama Bin Laden starts planning the 9/11 2001 Attacks of the same targets of his 1993 First World Trade Center Bombings. The Pro US Iraqis we were living with turned against us, we had to exfiltrate thru Redacted.

In 2009 after Candidate Obama became US President, he sent his Political Appointees with no US Military nor US Intelligence Agency Experience nor even minimal Training. In attempts to embarrass the President Bush (43) Administration President Obama's Political Appointees started Rubber Stamping everything as Declassified. So what I just told you is some of that Declassified as part of President Obama's "Transparency" and what his Political Appointees did. After all that Declassification, finally many of us got the awards, medals, promotions (based on the awards, medals, actions) we earned; the unintended consequences were that we also had the news media continuely hounding us for information and they had Letters from the President Obama Adminstration requiring us to Fully Cooperate. In 2010 President Obama realized the mistakes and then had everything thrown back into the vaults as Classified, it was too late as the News Media knew who we were and what we usually did, so to this day we have some of their "Investigative Reporters" continuely attempting to find out what we are up to.

Previously Declassified, as what we do as Intelligence Verification to become "Actionable Intelligence", being there doing the Intelligence Verification our SR Mission then becomes a Direct Action (DA) Mission:

But intelligence gathered from the air still needs corroboration from sources on the ground, as well as someone to act on the intelligence to go after the targets.

By the way if you believe that the Weapons of Mass Destruction was a lie, you might want to research 2001 Operation Viking Hammer, 2002 Operation Hotel California and especially Sargat Iraq.

Once again your no firsthand experience posts.

I have a few questions...

1. What was the JUSTIFICATION for POTUS Clinton & the UK to bomb Baghdad in 1998???

2. What AUMF was referenced when Congress & POTUS George Bush drew-up the 2002 AUMF???

3. Where/when did the INFORMATION about the WMD & Mobile Processing Labs, ORIGINATE???

Hind-sight is great for the 'Arm Chair warriors' put when the $HIT hits the fan. You go with the INFORMATION & Equipment you have on-hand...

1. The USA, Germany & France supplied Saddam with BIOLOGICAL materials & manufacturing equipment. And he used it to KILL/GAS hundreds of thousands of Kurds, Iranians and his own people... Maybe he ran-out of this prior to 2003... Ha! Ha!

2. Saddam was paying the families of SUCCESSFUL - International Terrorist Bombers $10,000 to $30,000+USD...

3. We knew Saddam had 500+metric tons of 'yellow cake' that was later sold to Canada in 2008...

These first two resulted in Saddam's CONVICTION & later HANGING...

Now tell me what the elected Leaders of Libya & Syria have done to JUSTIFY their DEATH &/or Overthrow by the USA/World...

To..David .""""

Ya and and who was president during these atrocities

Saddam brutally suppresses rebellions in north and south of Iraq; U.S. does not intervene

March 1991

During the war, President Bush repeatedly calls for Iraqis to rise up against Saddam. Within days of the cease-fire, Shia Muslims in the south of Iraq, close to the allied front lines, take up arms against Saddam. In the first heady days of the uprising, the rebels control the streets.

Saddam quickly moves loyal forces and uses armed helicopters to suppress the uprising in the south. U.S. troops can see the fighting from their positions, but are ordered not to intervene. There are estimates that tens of thousands of Shia Muslims were killed.

A few days after the Shia uprising begins, the Kurds start a rebellion in northern Iraq. While the southern uprising had been somewhat incoherent, the Kurds have political leaders who can shape the revolt. As the rebellion gathers momentum, Kurdish leaders who had been living abroad return. They hope to trigger a coup against Saddam that will result in a new Iraqi leader who will let the Kurds run their own affairs.

Saddam's forces soon attack the rebels, who are not supported by Washington, which had decided against backing an uprising that might lead to Iraq's breakup. The rebel forces are hopelessly outgunned. As Kurdish cities are shelled, there is panic among the population. The cities of Kurdistan empty and a million people head towards the mountains in an attempt to reach the safety of Turkey and Iran. Again, U.S. forces, who see the exodus, are ordered not to intervene.

With Saddam clinging to power, Bush decides on a containment strategy towards Iraq: tough U.N. inspections, economic sanctions, and no-fly zones to protect the Kurds and Shia Muslims in the north and south of the country.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html

Fact Sheet

Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor and Bureau of Public Affairs
Washington, DC
December 19, 2003

Mass Graves of Iraq: Uncovering Atrocities

Most of the graves discovered to date correspond to one of five major atrocities perpetrated by the regime.

The 1983 attack against Kurdish citizens belonging to the Barzani tribe, 8,000 of whom were rounded up by the regime in northern Iraq and executed in deserts at great distances from their homes.

The 1988 Anfal campaign, during which as many as 182,000 people disappeared. Most of the men were separated from their families and were executed in deserts in the west and southwest of Iraq. The remains of some of their wives and children have also been found in mass graves.

Chemical attacks against Kurdish villages from 1986 to 1988, including the Halabja attack, when the Iraqi Air Force dropped sarin, VX and tabun chemical agents on the civilian population, killing 5,000 people immediately and causing long-term medical problems, related deaths, and birth defects among the progeny of thousands more.

The 1991 massacre of Iraqi Shi’a Muslims after the Shi’a uprising at the end of the Gulf war, in which tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians in such regions as Basra and Al-Hillah were killed.
The 1991 Kurdish massacre, which targeted civilians and soldiers who fought for autonomy in northern Iraq after the Gulf war.

Opponents and critics of the regime from all religious and ethnic groups were also executed and buried in mass graves. Many of these are believed to be located at or near prisons and former military establishments.

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/pressreleases/20031223_Mass_Graves.htm

To..AC"""

Please see post

#2.35

To David """

Oh ya ...and you trying to tell me dems gave bad intell to bush ..and he acted on it

Huh...

President Bush Radio Address

February 8, 2003,

The Iraqi regime has actively and secretly attempted to obtain equipment needed to produce chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Firsthand witnesses have informed us that Iraq has at least seven mobile factories for the production of biological agents -- equipment mounted on trucks and rails to evade discovery.

The Iraqi regime has acquired and tested the means to deliver weapons of mass destruction. It has never accounted for thousands of bombs and shells capable of delivering chemical weapons. It is actively pursuing components for prohibited ballistic missiles. And we have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

One of the greatest dangers we face is that weapons of mass destruction might be passed to terrorists who would not hesitate to use those weapons. Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in acquiring poisons and gases.

We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030208.html

"Besides helping the French in Mali, the drones could be used to provide intelligence on a growing Islamic militant threat throughout North and East Africa."

I see WWIII coming against Islamic extremists.

Fountainheads of Islamic extremism are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

One day or the other, both will have to be wiped out of the map.

Declare them as terrorist nations to start with.

America should not be sending combat troops to Africa, you think Afghanistan is bad, Africa is worse.

HOW SHOULD WE PRONOUNCE "NIGER" ???

I nearly crapped my brown trousers when I saw the link "US forces deployed to Niger" on my MSN homepage !!

"the military industrial complex"...hahaha...when are the leftists going to get some new material?, oh that's right , never...because most of their pablum and diatribe is tired , played ,false, and just plain ignant

oh , and in case you forgot or your beloved leftist union public school teacher didn't tell you, Uber Leftists JFK and LBJ sent 63,000 soldiers and 5 million civilians to their deaths

To John"""

Eisenhower got us into Vietnam.. nixon caused over 28,000 of those soldiers deaths ... "secret "carpet bombing of Cambodia in 69 causing more than 500,000 deaths in a neutral country paving the way for pol pot to come to power and the subsequent slaughter of over 4,000,000 Cambodians in the 70's..

wanna try again

Hello folks, old mister Nobel PEACE Prize winner showing how inconsequential the Nobel Prize really is! WTFU people!

While our troops are in Africa perhaps they could go look for Barry's real birth certificate.

Birthers have a badd VJayJay Complex.

Yep, after the oil is gone we will need the resources of the region. Besides we don't want them using the raw materials of the area for yellowcake or something else more refined.

How'd I do?

Why are you guys doing this stupid little Dem vs GOP thing. Both love war as it is the excuse to increase their power, while the sheep think we are doing God's work in trying to Americanize the frigging planet. Wars have been started by presidents of both parties, and politicisans from both sides are pretty much one and the same with the excpetion of the cosmetic social issues, which really have no importance in the grand scheme of things

Right you are, how refreshing to see someone who can remember important psat events. When CIA agent V.P. was outed publicly by BBUBA's administration ,it was over YELLOW CAKE. a necessary ingredient in nuclear energy wich Sdam was suppose to be attempting to aquire. By the way the UNSCOM inspector on the ground in Iraq was a Marine Officer USMC ,i believe is name was Richter, i think that was his name i'll be gratefull if someone could verify the name,prior to invading Iraq he tried to tell the world that there was no weapons of mass dectruction in Iraq,he was ridiculled ,since he had published a book the chickenhawks tryed to make it look like the publication of his was the aid of finance from Sadam. We are still looking for WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTIONS. Right after entering into Bagdad the streets of America was flooded with Antonin Kalishnikof infernal 47s. Thank you for the ride down that forgoten corner of memorylane. Ill have my yellowcake with a cupof chagrine seeing how fast we are heading to the bottom history

sorry dude. going to risk getting in trouble here but as an on site operative during the time mentioned. we were looking for over 25lbs of weapons grade plutonium that originated from n. korea and the locations of french and german made anthrax production trailers that were seen crossing into syria 3 days before the beginning of the ground wwar. just saying maybe thats why they are so worried about syria

The "libs" didn't blame Bush for Iraq because of some misguided ideology, you know... he DID get us into Iraq, and he did so based on bad intel, pure speculation, and a desire to "finish" what his daddy had started.

Let's hope this foray into Niger doesn't grow into something more. Last time we went in to support French troops, things didn't end so well...

@ScooterTramp

Are you really that ignorant? Have you ever heard of an oil refinery? We have lost two already - their loss is part of the reason that gas prices have risen.

They never stopped scooter.

Are you really that ignorant? Have you ever heard of an oil refinery? We have lost two already - their loss is part of the reason that gas prices have risen.

For over four years now Bert?

Ignorance indeed.

Bertrand,

What two refineries are you referring to?

and the "speculators" argument doesn't work anymore.....so....

do you deny that oil speculation occurs in the commodities market? seriously?

Is the refinery remark referring to those lost during Katrina; and the fire that destroyed the San Bruno refinery?

howieCA,

Yes that bad intel and pure speculation that just so happens to coincide with the same information presented to the American people by Bill Clinton and George Bush Sr. When will nabobs like you understand that the intelligence business is not an exact science and often relies on best guess based on probabilities. Sometimes it is no more accurate than reading tea leaves no matter how much we would want it to be otherwise.

Yes that bad intel and pure speculation that just so happens to coincide with the same information presented to the American people by Bill Clinton and George Bush Sr.

Yet neither Clinton nor Bush, Src. got us bogged down in Iraq. Bush, Sr., did what he needed to and got out. And you're ignoring the other reasons entirely: little Bush wanted to finish daddy's war (multiple sources in his administration have said he wanted to go into Iraq from day one). Also, he said that Iraq officials had met with Hussein, although that never happened. The whole war was Bush's doing; he just used the bad intelligence to convince others to go along. You notice that the U.N. *didn't* go along. They weren't fooled. So we did it alone.

You can't blame the lack of "exact science" for the war. It's ALL on Bush and his advisors.

As for "nabob"... do you know what that means? It's either a Muslim official, a Mogul governor, or "a person of great wealth or prominence." Since I'm neither Muslim nor Mogul, and haven't great wealth or prominence, I don't think nabob applies. Although if you want to compliment my "prominence," well... thank you!

we could build more refineries and have them inland where the storms on the coast wont effect them, refineries going down is a poor excuse, Obama can easily drop the price of fuel, all he has to do is pull the permits and the speculators and the oil companies will wake right up. the governments job is to govern and keep the people in supply today's government has no clue as to what its job is, Obama loves inflation so do all the socialist nations, they watch their debts shrink every time they devalue their currency, they think they can print their way out of debt but it cant last, and at the same time your life savings is deflating right along with the currency a real leader would try to stabilize the economy not run it amok, face it we have no leader just some guy with a dream, a borrowed one at that. Remember how Reagan dealt with the Hunt brothers same scenario.

Vermontguy,

What friggin part of "military personnel" do you not understand?

bwahahahaha...facts are often ignored by liberals....

Afghanistan, a high-profile country that was harboring a known terrorist -- and exports a lot of opium. Iraq, a high-profile country that was said to have "WMDs", and was run by a dictator -- and exports lots of oil.

Niger, a fly-speck country in the world of politics that nobody seems to really care about -- and is infested with terrorists.

Guess which countries the Right-wingers prefer to spend money on/in to fight terrorists.

Niger, a fly-speck country in the world of politics that nobody seems to really care about -- and is infested with terrorists.

Guess which countries the Right-wingers prefer to spend money on/in to fight terrorists

The right wingers on here jump on any chance to bash Obama and they really love the use of drones by Obama because they feel it negates the view of Bush as the warmonger somehow. I'd suggest most in the country not fixated on hating Obama have little concern about Obama having a few hundred troops using drones to take out terrorist leaders. They were very much concerned with Bush's little foray to correct daddies mistake which cost the lives of 5,000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives looking for imaginary WMD that Bush manufactured proof to sell to us.

D Buck: You need to find a dictionary so you learn the difference between socialism and capitalism. Funny how so many right wingers praise capitalism until a price for something exceeds what they wish to pay then they want the government to manipulate the price. You suggest Obama force oil companies and speculators to bring lower prices which is the opposite of republican policies. As Romney said for business to prosper we need the government to end regulation and get out of the way. Can't have it both ways.

Larry you need to stop deep throating the rock so you can use that brain for something a little less brainwashed. Start using your head instead of giving it.

Larry you need to stop deep throating the rock so you can use that brain for something a little less brainwashed. Start using your head instead of giving it

DrAlchemy: Better then what you're deep throating. Funny how RWNJ's never offer an opposing thought but merely make brainless snipes.

really we sending troops somewhere where they dont need to be gonna involve us in someone else war what a bunch of crock our troops do not need to be there period!!!!!!

It appears that most politicians of US, Britain, France, Germany and other key leaders are on the payrolls of oil rich Sunni rulers, oil companies and their lobbyists and Jewish lobbys.

If there are no reasons for high oil price manipulations, these politicians will invent reasons for high oil prices.

Net results of Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, oil companies and their lobbyists directed 1991 and 2003 Iraqi wars are

WINNERS

1. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and other rich ME sharks became richer by manipulating oil prices too high.

2. Oil companies and their lobbyists also benefitted. Oil prices, which were hardly $30 a barrel before 1991, shot up to $140 a barrel.

3. Since 2003, future traders, rating agencies, Wall Street and oil companies and their lobbyists transferred five trillion dollars from oil importing countries to oil exporting nations.

Still, I don't understand the sanctions on Iranian oil business and manipulating oil prices higher and higher from $40 in 2009 to more than $110.

Iran can get/buy as many nukes as it wants from Pakis.

Riiight. Try looking up the definition of "fascism" sometime. And here I thought the right-wingers considered him a communist?

Yea, I thought he was a Nazi, Fascist, Liberal, Commie, Socialist, Half-Bread Illegal Alien ..

You forgot muslim, Mr. Mike.

I knew I forgot something..

you forgot "radical black Christian who's not really black".

i think obama is a traitor..........simple

Ray...judging from that stupid comment you wouldn't know a fascist if one came up behind you and bit you in the ass.

The anti Obama crowd just cracks me up. Let's see...during the Libyan crisis, you know...prior to the Benghazi crisis, the neocons were freaking out that Obama wasn't being proactive enough. NOW he is being proactive and sending surveillance drones in to monitor a growing terror cell in Mali and the wingers have suddenly switched to "Obama is a warmongering fascist!" I think the obvious point here is that Obama haters will never be happy no matter what he does. As a result their opinions don't really matter.

@ AP/IL:

Bingo!

You win the prize for calling it correctly.

So it's Patriotic and American to send U.S. troops to Iraq and Afghanistan to fight terrorism -- but it's Fascist, Nazi, Communistic, Socialistic, un-Constitutional and Un-American to send U.S. troops to fight terrorism in Niger....

AP/IL and American,

At least Republicans aren't pussies in conducting a war. Democrats will play this non-engagement BS until Republicans must go in and actually destroy the enemy to end the conflict and clean up the mis-management from previous administrations. You wouldn't understand though because you have no balls when it comes to maintaining a military superiority for a defensive advantage.

"Next door in Mali, Tuareg rebels overthrew the government last year. Islamists then pushed the rebels aside, taking control of important towns and pushing toward the capital."

This is what Islamic extremists are experts at!

In Libya, Egypt and other places, Islamic extremists have hijacked Arab Spring to bring Sharia Spring, which means stoning and killing!

Bush and his team did not understand much about anything but for money or favors from Jewish lobby, oil companies and their lobbyists.

Obama, John Kerry and co are supposed to be smarter. But it looks: they are lost too.

NO AP/IL go lick crusty

The RWs and others like myself were and are pissed regarding Libya as with every war action Obama does he does not get the approval of Congress as it is written in the Constitution. Look at the mess in the Middle East right now, right now Obama is trying to kill his way to PEACE. It does not work. Listen I also think Bush effed up a bunch but right now he is not our Prez.

Obama is just following the road Bush paved. The right wants uber-fascism. Obama is a fascist.

You finally got it.................

Glad to see your private school math taught you something John.....gold star for you.

Maureen and "in the middle", y'all do realize that it was SARCASM.......

Bush+war crimes=good. Obama+anything=bad...homeschool math.

Is it surprising how little young rednecks can learn being taught by old rednecks?

Larry, go to bed its past your bedtime... Wake up with new thoughts and not child talk.

Just as Bush is also a war criminal -- along with Clinton, Bush Sr, Ford, Reagan, etc, etc, etc, etc......

Quack.....There was a reason Obama got so many Republican crossovers in 2008. They believed that Obama was different. But as you so eloquently pointed out, he is just another Bush.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Liberals are hypocrits.....and idiots

Hear! Hear! Mr. Spock! Full speed forward ahead!!!!

I bet the righties are sure glad Bush was nothing like Obama. Face it, politicians lie, no matter if they're "left", "right", "lib", "con", "blue" or "red".

They only seem to get caught if they are choking blue lefties from chicago.... just sayin.

Why that just makes to much sense! Great catch Jwright!

Jwright - here's why...France has a notorious reputation for reverse engineering technology and using it. Even though they are allies they have been known to work both sides of embargoes by repackaging forbidden items and reselling them to countries who are not supposed to get them. Many American companies have been fined because their French affiliates broke the law that way.

Good point Joe.

The first report today was he was sending drones.. Now he is sending in troops...He is such a liar..

Drones have been developed for decades by various countries...

In February 2013, it was reported that drones were used by at least 50 countries, several of which made their own - for example Iran, Israel, China, North Korea, etc...

North Korea has used them to preform/coordinate attacks in South Korea...

Mexican drones made in Israel, have crashed in the USA...

BTY - The CIA's drone base is in Saudi and they have been conducting operations through-out this part of Africa, for YEARS. The UK Media is reporting that 100+US Troops have been deployed...

Jwright, great idea! Unfortunately, the French haven't had the desired to engage in or win wars since some of its own citizens sided with the Germans during World War Two and almost destroyed the entire nation. The French would rather have someone else fight its wars. Look up "French Foreign Legion".

We cut our budgets in America but protect someone else in other countries.... now people here in the USA will be out of work, while help protecting in other countries, does this make any sense? We just transfer budgets - or so called 'what budgets'.? TOTALLY RIDICULOUS

As long as this doesn't turn into another nation building exercise we'll be fine.

I would like to agree that we will be fine if this is not for nation building. But the American job problem has been going on for too long.

Don't be rediculous.....I bet he likes skinny blondes.

or men...

Easy now! After all, he did just go golfing with Mr. Tiger "Get me some ho's" Woods. Heck, he even shot an additional 9 holes after Tiger left!

Brunettes with blue dresses!

He was shootin' at some 'coon and the next thing you know there was bubblin' up crude.

I suspect we've been using drones and special forces in 'wars' all over the world for decades now. I agree he wants to kill people..people like al quada who want to kill us.

Not sure I'd consider this a "war", let alone "another war". We have troops all over the world.

Send the drones to Chicago and Detroit, take out some gang leaders, and do American citizens some good.

Allen Weaver jr you may not know that such a comment may be considered criminal by the law.

100Reddles,

Freedom of speech is protected by the constitution and the statement Allen Weaver jr made may be distasteful to some, but still it is protected.

@pgulrich,

that would only expose that the US has troubles that we can't solve, but we try to solve other countries'...go figure, sigh...

Yes he asked , but he lied

The US people would not have to spend a dime on guns. Because you know how Chicago does not allow guns. Yet they find ways to shoot each other. So it is the perfect circumstance. No money spent on guns because just like Chicago they shoot people even though there is a gun ban. And Joe Biden, Rahm Emanuel, and Osama could all find out how people still shoot each other even though there is a gun ban.

Yep, because all the hillbillies in the red states are just lining up to go to Iraq.

what does that have to do with this comment. Do you know how to comprehend what is said or do you just pick random comments and spout of your mouth?

Yep, just like all of the leftist liberals signing up to go to Afghanastan. Nice try "sam", now get back to the Springer Show!

Recovering - Good for you to point out those who chose to flip sides based on partisan labels and not on their core beliefs. Hopefully you do the same for the GOP who change positions to suit the President in power or conversely to stymie the current President in power.

For my part, I was equally disturbed about Bush's unneccessary war of choice in Iraq as Obama's decision to get involved in Libya. Correct there is a serious magnitude of scale but you either go to war for "REAL" national defense issues or you don't. In Libya, yes a dictator fell but who took over, is that country more stable? Not one to hype Bengahazi as more than what it was, a terrible loss of life but a minor one, however that wouldn't have happened if we werent' there.

So too with this. I will call for our immediate withdrawl. Will you wait until something bad happens and then blame Obama? Will the GOP Congress and Senate hold to the War Powers act and ensure that they either vote for War or we get out in 90 days? Will the forever fiscally minded GOP balk at this expenditure? Would they balk at it if Obama were a republican?

In this situation we need not get involved.

Sounds like someone who really served!

Sorry to all you hypocritical left wingers, but a war is a war wether it is 10 men or 1 million men.

Can you please name me a war that was fought with 10 men? Get real. I understand you cannot get real because of your hatred for the President. If we use your standards of 10 military men being sent to a foreign country, then the US has been at constant war for over 100 years.

obama is a war criminal.........

Lafuwa,

I consider myself a conservative right winger. I find most everything liberals do to be idiotic and stupid and only serves their best interests instead of the interests of the country as a whole. I believe if liberals continue to remain in power, that America will have a downfall. Mostly because of the national debt continually increasing....with that being said,

I have absolutely no objection to what Obama is doing in this situatuon. You are right, it is the new way to fight a war. Obama gets so much grief over continuuing and increasing the drone program that Bush started, but I think its fantastic.

I have seen first hand the capability of the drone program. It is accurate, affective, and dangerous. There are no moral issues with the drones themselves. The only moral issue involved is the person calling the shots behind the scene.

I am a little embarassed to say this, but I applaud Obama for continuuing the drone program.

Lafuwa, We never go in with half a million troops it always starts with a handful

Lafuwa, Everyday there's a war fought with 10 men. It's in chicago!!! It's a gang war.

Luftwa what is your definition of war? My definition of war is where two sides are battling. and yes whether it is 2 people or 200 million people. It is called a WAR. But I guess common

WAR - a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.

And if you are wondering what type of wars are fought with that few men. It is called covert wars. The cold war was fought with a couple dozen spies. But I guess that might pre date you.

I have a hatred for the president you are correct. I hate how he is disrespecting the Constitution of the United States. I

dislike how the democrats blame his faults on Bush who has not even been in office in the past 4 years. I hate how says he will veto any effort to get rid of the automatic spending cuts on November 21, 2011 and here on February 19, 2013 he says "Now, for two years, I've offered a balanced approach to deficit reduction that would prevent these harmful cuts".

This list could go on. Recess appointments when the senate was not on recess. Multiple bill of right infringements.

Luftwa must be too young to remember that a small group of military advisors were in Viet Nam long before the massive number of troops were sent in. And just because the troops are in a neighboring country doesn't mean they aren't a target for the very people they are sent to observe via drones. Insurgents, or sympathizers can be anywhere.

Any liberal who places blame on Bush for his actions is a hypocrit if they do not blame Obama for this action as well. Some say Viet Nam was about oil. Some say Irag was about oil. Well Niger is about oil as well. We have no business being there.

Kennedy sent over a few advisers to help in the over throw of Diem, not a lot of bodies at the start but, when they were done!

yeah we already have this ass obama trying to suck us dry.......with a president like him, who needs enemies???

Maybe we can get 50 guys from Brazil to join up with us. We'll call it, the "coalition of the willing".

Has kind of a snappy ring to it, doesn't it?

eu acho sim!

cunical, I would love to say to Obama the next war your two daughters are going to serve in then see how quick we go to war. He's great at sending everybody elses kid off to war. The hell of it is we NEVER finish what we start and it's all for nothing.

It is amazing how the Democrats preach against war until Osama put the troops at war.

The guy you voted for wanted to start a war with Iran, didn't he?

the guy you voted for in 2008 wanted to stay in Iraq for "a hundred years".

The guy you voted for twice before that started two wars......but now you're all anti-war and stuff.

So true Sam. Binded by their hate, their only consistency is the opposite of whatever President Obama is doing even if it is a conservative idea.

So where in what I said does it say anything about anti war. I am calling you guys out for not blasting Obama for putting us in another war. But you have your rosy sunglasses on and say stuff that is not even close to what was said.

Your response is like me talking about how Obama wants to drone American citizens with out a trial. You know something about that pesky bill of right infringment.

He is not putting us in another war. The last I checked, we have been fighting alqaida terrorists for 10 years. Obama is being smart and supporting the French and African Union troops who are doing the fighting. We are providing technological support that they do not have. Would you rather us wait on the sidelines until we get attacked. I think this strategy of supporting our friends is much better than putting together a coalition of the willing. We are not hypocrits, all americans were for going to war in Afghanistan, Bush and the neo-cons changed it to a war in Iraq splitting the american people. There is nothing rosy about our view, we are keeping it real and consistent.

So are we at war in Niger or Mali?

are you really that stupid Lafuwa? Last time I checked being sent over whether in a supporting role or the leading role means you are in it. Oh please tell me you are just a little kid that stayed home sick today and you are not an adult.

Sam, I hate to tell you this but Kennedy and Johnson were Democrats going into the Viet Nam war and they weren't exactly trying to withdraw troops from the region.

innacurate,

I am a Republican and I am in the military. I can vouch for many other military members that are republican that would agree with what Obama is doing here.

I just like calling out hyprocrits like the liberals on here that are all against war with Bush and all for it with Obama.

Very good Corky! When it was Bush it war was horrible! When it was Nixon war was horrible(if fact I got spit at multiple times). But when it is Obama, it is called for and a okay or at least ignored!

But we need not worry about drones in Niger, for if HE has HIS way they will be used in Alabama, Mississippi, Florida or any other RED state that needs to have Republican governors, tea party members, ex-military, anti-abortionist and everyone else Janet Napolitano deemed possible terrorist!

Get rid of ALL conservatives and voila! HE has a country where we all get along!