Of course, nobody is guilty ever of doing anything. I guess it was the children's fault for being "provocative" Right? SARCASM

The scum floating in the catholic church can only be cleansed by using their inquisition methods on their OWN PRIESTS.

Time to pick up a pope who has ANY BRAINS, and a sense of justice to defend all the victims of abuse. Stupid church that thinks that men and women that make a vow never to have sex is a GOOD THING. STUPID STUPID STUPID

That's not a joke, actually. The Catholic chuch has blamed some of the molested children in an attempt to portray them as seducers of priests!

it underscores the outrage in some quarters that cardinals whose reputations have been battered by cover-up allegations will have an equal say in who will next lead the world's 1.3 billion Catholics.

Maybe it's time for those 1.3 billion Catholics to take matters into their own hands, or simply vote with their feet.

Walk away, sheep, and leave the scapegoat for the wolves.

Like any good career criminal he should become a State's witness against the crime boss, the Pope, and turn State's evidence against all of those who shielded and gave safe haven for all of these pedophiles. Mahony would then become a hero in the public eye and possibly the new Pope. Actually Mahony should have kept his baloney in his robe and there would not be finger pointing by the Papacy and be the scapegoat. The Catholic Church is playing political games just like any other political entity offering his head on a platter to take the fall for the entire group of pedophiles called the Catholic Church.

Time to atone for your sins and no amount of confession will get you out of this one. The people of this country want justice. Even your blind followers have taken off the blinders and are against them. This has been going on forever and it is time to destroy the Church and tax it as an coporation as it is no longer a church but a pedophile factory for cover-ups.

You ARE in the same group as Jesus

No, he's not. Please don't compare Catholic priests or the Pope with Jesus. These priests don't really practice what Jesus preached. The men running the Catholic church exclude women, discriminate against certain groups, believe in social hierarchy, horde money, etc.

He is the Paterno of the Vatican....

I'M A 'SCAPEGOAT' FOR SEX-ABUSE CRISIS

No jacka$$, you are not. You are the FACE of it. I hope the next pope has the guts to defrock you, excommunicate you and turn over to the police & FBI every piece of evidence against you and your gang of pedophiles, so you all serve max sentences in the general population in prison.

as a child in catholic grade school the nuns and priests taught us that the pope was the embodiment of jesus on earth and his teachings were infallible. wonder if that's in the bible. no man should be elevated to this ''infallible'' level of power. the actions of past popes are clear evidence of this falicy. in my opinion these men are more fund raisers than religious leaders. they protect the assets of the church but not the children. the future of the catholic church is in the children-they are the real assets and the church has betrayed them. the demise of the church is inevitable if they don't change.

Nope.......granny22.....not in the Bible. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church also accepts - as equal to the Bible - the teachings of the "Church Fathers." The deifying of the pope came many centuries after Jesus.

The Catholic church is so corrupt and vile that it just sickens me to think that people will still defend their depravity.

Beware of this next Pope. He will be the false prophet that calls for the world to follow "The Beast."

not radical, oh the irony of that name...

It's extremely difficult for me to believe in anything that members of the RCC have to say. Massachusetts Sean O'Malley who in fact is a child abuser himself use to say to his child victims "Are you going to frame me". That's how sociopaths behave, they manipulate in order conceal their real behavior. Behind the mask is how they operate.

These are powerful men, not only powerful enough to sex little boys up for decades, for centuries, and mostly get away with it, but powerful enough to have you become non-existent.

I've always said, any man who needs a "little boy," constantly by his side (pages), are probably up to no good with those little boys, and in the Catholic Church, Kings, Military men of the past, Congress, servants to knight's, royalty in medieval times, they are probably all guilty of molestation of these boys.

"Cardinal Mahony will travel to Rome to fulfill his sacred duty under church law to vote for the next pope,” it said.

It would appear the Cardinal felt he should apply those same words, ".... fulfill his sacred duty...." when he protected countless priests over those innocents who were sexually and mentally ravaged by the Catholic Church. What Mahoney doesn't understand - has never understood - is that in order to be forgiven, one much accept full responsibility for one's actions - their crime - wrong doing. He has not. Mahoney has admitted nothing and is therefore unfit in any capacity. He will never understand that. As always, he is where he has always seen himself...above it all. His hands...he holds up his palms often yet he himself cannot see how dirty they are - have been for years and yet he continues to wash them.

Why is this crap advertising being allowed to remain viewable????? Please delete this garbage ASAP!!!!!!!!

I will never be the one who supports anyone who molests children. But, it seems like the media is totally ignoring the group which, for the last few decades, has committed many more incidents of illegal sex with children..... this would be public school teachers! I cannot go more than a week anymore before I hear about some 28 year old teacher "schooling" some 14 year old student. I have seen female on male, male on female, male on male and female on female molestations! The only issue is that the teachers unions are major supporters of the liberals in D.C. and seem to get preferential treatment. Just imagine what would happen if a story about a Catholic priest would have an angle which said that the molested individual was bragging that they had sex. (This has happened many times in stories about teacher/student sex). The liberals in the press would go crazy! Just sayin'!

@Dan: Well, you can thank an extremely biased legal system which demonizes men (rightfully so), and gives women a free pass, because hey that lucky little boy got nailed by his teacher (absolutely despicable).

And while I in no way support anyone who molests children, there's one really big difference here that you're not pointing out. The Catholic church used it's tremendous financial clout, and massive size to bury evidence of molestation's while shuffling pedophiles off to other Church communities, without ever warning anyone in these communities.

If there's one bright side to the school issue, is that they get caught pretty quick....when a multi-billion dollar industry isn't shielding them, and whisking them away to other schools when the heat is on.

I believe "Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God," a 2012 documentary film is a good example of what goes on with these priests.

B Murphy

Molestation is horrible, but seriously, a female on male is hardly as despicable as what these priests are doing to little boys.

Dan M-1100664

The only issue is that the teachers unions are major supporters of the liberals in D.C. and seem to get preferential treatment.

LOL....Here we go, it's the unions and politics in DC. Maybe so, since both republicans, and democrats have little boy toys in DC. Is that what you meant, or, is this just another hit on the "current" administration?

Dan, there is plenty of outrage seen from people about teachers molesting students, but the entire administrations are not caught red-handed covering up the abuse. The abusers are investigated and removed from teaching altogether, not relocated to a different school to continue their murdering of innocence. The Catholic church is the biggest piece of hypocritical crap for covering up and protecting their disgusting "Men of God."

He let it happen and done nothing there a special place in hell for Cardinal Roger Mahony

"Master, what torments do they suffer
that force them to lament so bitterly?"

He answered: "I will tell you in few words:

these wretches have no hope of truly dying,
and this blind life they lead is so abject
it makes them envy every other fate.

The world will not record their having been there;
Heaven's mercy and its justice turn from them.
Let's not discuss them; look and pass them by...”
― Dante Alighieri

Mahony should be in prison!

Why don't you get out of this space with your phony advertising comments? No one is interested and you HaVE been reported!!!! Disappear, stupid!

@Moshulu: No offense, but I couldn't disagree more emphatically. Both figures represent people kids should be able to trust, and the violation of that trust can and does harm that child for their entire lives. The only difference is that the Church uses their power, to shield these people, and whisk them away so that they can do more harm elsewhere. Saying one form of molestation is less harmful than another is quite honestly shameful, and part of the problem.

If such a thing were ever to occur in a public school, you could potentially see a State filing for bankruptcy, due to the ensuing litigation.

trying to read this articles is like trying to read a foreign language. the sentence structure is poor at best

Can we please judge the men who sinned and not all the followers of a religion please?

The Catholic Church is comprised of 1.3 billion Catholics worldwide. It does not condone pedophilia, it is not comprised of pedophiles. Most priests are not child rapists.

I hate these stories because it always brings our the bigoted attitudes toward Catholics. One might as well say that all teachers are pedophiles or that the public school system condones pedophilia or that believers in a free public education are sick perverts. After all far more kids are molested by their teachers than by their priests. And don't think that there aren't cover-ups in schools as well. It's politics, unfortunately. The church officials who covered this up were more concerned with how embarrassed the church would be if it was discovered than by doing the right thing. It's the same mode of thinking that causes mothers to ignore what fathers do to the children in their own home. It's a terrible and sad and disgusting moment in the Church's history. It was, however, a crime perpetrated by the minority; not the majority of Catholics. Studies have been conducted that show that priests are not any more likely to abuse kids than other males. In fact, statistically they are slightly less likely compared to the general population, despite the media trying to portray all who wear a roman collar as lurking pedophile wolves in sheep's clothing. Yes this is a horrible scandal in the church. Yes those who committed crimes need to be punished. But please don't take this as an opportunity to bash all Catholics and all Catholic Clergy.

What you're doing is the same as calling all Muslims "raghead terrorists" and all Imams Al Qaeda recruiters.

swell surfer - you're wrong about schools not covering up. Google "school cover up of abuse. Here are 4 links right away (you have to put the www. in front, won't let me post a link for some reason)

huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/07/neb-school-heads-accused-_n_1866151.html

cbsatlanta.com/story/20100156/da-school-abuse-investigators-will-leave-no-stone-unturned

themediareport.com/2012/12/06/lausd-sex-abuse/

nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Lawyers-Accuse-LAUSD-of-Trying-to-Cover-Up-Teacher-Abuse-192622221.html

Cardinal Mahoney is the second biggest disgrace of the Catholic Church! The first disgrace was the Vatican who became deaf and dumb and did nothing during the Holecaust of the Jews at the hands of Hitler!!! To think I was brought up Catholic now disgusts me. Now I know why Pedafiles became Priests, so they had a perfect cover up to molest innocent Boys and Girls!! He is going to Rome to perform his Sacred Duty as a Cardinal! Are you kidding me?? His arrogant sociopath piece of Human Garbage should be heading to San Quentin for his covering up all those Priests who he transferred to other places so they could continue their Molestation of Children!! Come on all you so called Catholics and stand up and protest for Justice to be done for all those Children who suffered at the dirty hands of all those Perverts, while the Holy Blessed, Sacred Cardinal Mohoney F#####ing closed his eyes and ears! Isn't it clear why now the Pope has decided to step down! He is just as guilty as any one else as don't try to convince me he didn't know about what was going on. The Catholic Church is all about Money and Power and nothing decent and Moral is going to stand in thier way and force them to take responsibility and do the right thing!! They are just MEN who dress in robes and Dunce Caps and parade around with their hands folded in prayer like they give a damn about those Innocent children! How disgusting and how dissapointing that there isn't more Media coverage of this outrage!! Get on the Band Wagon Folks and let Justice be done in the name of all those children and send his pathetic Holy ass to jail and to Hell where he belongs!! UNBELEIVABLE that he would go scott free on this Issue and yet be angry and ask God to Forgive those who speak out against Him!! HELLO! ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME??? AMEN!! AMEN!!!

xina, I am not a Catholic but have to agree with you completely! Any religion is being demonized at any possible chance. The teachers in the schools are being given a pass. Just think about it: For every case of reported Priest abuse there is probably 100 not reported. In the case of teacher abuse it is probably about the same. Since we are hearing many more cases, in the last decade or so, of teachers abusing students, than of Priests molesting kids, I would think that there is a huge hidden problem. And with the posters on this site talking about the "wealth" of the Catholic church is ignoring the Trillions of dollars that the educational establishment has received in the last two decades! There is much more money in American education than in the Catholic Church, thus more to lose if these stories were really investigated by the left-leaning press!

Why aren't those who were aware of the abuse and did nothing not prosecuted; such as all the leadership of the RCC and those involved in the Sandusky scandal? They are just as guilty as the perpetrators.

When a church is accused of molestation, they are no longer a church but a criminal organization and should be treated as such.

Dan M1100664,

But, it seems like the media is totally ignoring the group which, for the last few decades, has committed many more incidents of illegal sex with children..... this would be public school teachers! I cannot go more than a week anymore before I hear about some 28 year old teacher "schooling" some 14 year old student. I have seen female on male, male on female, male on male and female on female molestations!

So the media is totally ignoring those stories, yet here you are telling us about it. huh? You have seen all these cases of molestations? Have you reported this to the authorities???? only "public schools", huh? Have you any proof of "many more incidents" You seem to have quite the agenda going on here. Maybe you're just pulling all this out of your azz perhaps. This disgusting systemic raping of our children which has been going on for centuries and having been covered up by the very people who have the power to stop it and report it immediately is turned into a political tool by you baggertards is beyond disgusting. You really need to take a long look in the mirror and see what kind of dark soul is inside you!!!

@Xina: The only problem that I have with the followers of Catholicism, is they haven't demanded/forced change from their own religious institution, which I consider tantamount to condoning child molestation. And yes, it's Catholics responsibility to clean up the despicable trash that allows for these heinous crimes to continue. For an entity that bases itself on family values, moral principle and self-restraint to do these things, is beyond comprehension.

Xina the Awesome

I agree with you, but it is the church goers responsibility to "disown" those particular churches, yet people are still showing up at their doors come Sunday...that to me is wrong and makes me wonder how far this was reaching...

not one of these accused/protectors of the accused should have been allowed back into a church of any kind, and you guys need to put your foot down, not sing on songs to these accused/protectors of the accused come Sunday

"This scandal is putting us, the clergy and the church, where we belong -- with the excluded ones," he added. "Jesus was painted with the same brush as the two thieves crucified with him."

This is amazing..this priest has placed himself and all other clergy in the same plane as Jesus.........guess the pope then sees himself as God....I have to wonder just when folks will see that churches in one big way are a power base...mostly for themselves while claiming to help many other. Consider..the Catholic church in Rome is worth millions and controls millions..protects itself and it priest no matter what as long as they can....and yet still claim to be one with God...Many of these so called priest may see hell long before any of them see heaven.

Bladerunner, sometimes it is so obvious when something is occuring! I have counted, in the Denver metro area, at least 15 different cases of teachers and students being involved in improper sexual situations in just the last six months! I challenge you to find that many new cases of improper sexual activity by Priests in the entire country over this time! Ye are not so blind if you do not want to see!

Who is the person who gets so upset when their "favorite son" is being impuned? You are upset because what I say is obviously true!

These are men of the church are the same ones who want to tell women how to lead their lives, yet they have no moral authority. They are as corrupt and greedy as rich powerful men around the world and they use their power in the same corrupt and greedy ways.

Leave the Roman Catholic Church if you have any morals. You are supporting evil, not Christianity.

(Oh, and Dan, how would you know how many cases of improper sexual activity there have been with priests when the church constantly covers up?)

Bladerunner, we can also only change what is going on now! What has happened in the past is in the past and we just need to learn from history. I guess you do not believe that there are these molestations currently happening in our schools and I am just putting forward some kind of "Catholic" agenda. I guess only liberal agendas and groups are OK with you, huh!?

And in typical liberal fashion you ridicule my statements without any facts to back them up. Then you say how horrible of a person I must be "looking in the mirror at my dark soul" to actually support something you do not personally believe in! Sorry, but different strokes for different folks (not a sexual innuendo)! BTW, I am not a Catholic.

The Catholic Church throughout the centuries has been responsible for most of the horrendous acts of violence towards humanity. From the burning of women at the stakes to the genocide of Muslims to the Spanish Inquisition to the Crusades to their cover up and complicity of child sexual abuse, etc.

Roadlesstraveled -

I'm not sure I understand your comment. So is it a communities obligation to stop sending their children to a public school when it comes out that a teacher had been abusing kids? Even if the teacher is no longer employed there? Should hockey fans stop going to hockey games now that it has come out that a hockey coach raped several boys aver his career but it was largely ignored because several of his players went on to the NHL? Should Baptists stop going to their church because of the idiots who picket funerals?

Being a Catholic is often wrapped up into an entire cultural identity for those who identify as such. People who haven't gone to church for years still self-identify as Catholic. It's almost like being a Jew in a sense. Once Catholic, always Catholic. To tell people "You have to leave the church or you condone child abuse" is an absolutely ridiculous assertion. There have been no reports of abuse in my parish. My priests have not been accused. There has been no scandals in the Catholic School I'm going to send my son to. Why should I leave?

Yet when I was in High School I had a friend, we were 16, who was sleeping with the Geometry teacher. He was 35. He still is employed there. I have no proof to do anything about it and she won't talk. That same year the 26 year old band director was dating a 17 year old girl. After graduation they went public with their relationship and she moved in with him. He still works as a teacher 20 years later. These are scandals that everyone knew about. But because they were girls "willingly" participating with men it was over looked. Because those girls didn't have parents who cared enough to raise a fuss. Because the other teachers who knew about it thought it was "poor choices" instead of criminal. Because the School district isn't going to do anything about it until someone complains, because they don't want to open themselves to a lawsuit.

But in your mind, it's fine if I send my child to public school, that's not condoning anything. But going to a church is.

Dan, most of those teachers you mention are already in jail and more will follow if they are found guilty, there's hardly a cover up in any school system, with the catholic church and other religious groups is the other way around, there are cover ups.I remember a case in Los Angeles County in the mid 80s where 7 Filipinos priests raped a barely 16 years old girl (Milla versus Tamayo) and got her pregnant, all of them fled the country to avoid charges with the help than none other than the men in robes at the helm of the church at that time, namely Manning/Mahonny. With teachers is known that when they are charged with bad sexual behavior towards a minor, they are quickly plucked from the school where they work. Franklin P.

No Cardinal Baloney, you are not a scapegoat in any way, form or fashion. You are just one of the thousands of pedophiles that inhabit the Catholic church. You have spent your life creeping around like a praying mantis and claiming to be a man of God. You are a prime mover in the Catholic church that has spent your life pillaging from the poor, labor class people that were coerced into paying their "tithe" to the church before they could even feed their own families - - that is what you are. You were, and probably still are, a person that sits in a confession box and "forgives" anyone who is dumb enough to believe that you have the God given right to forgive their sins and feel free of guilt - - you are one of them.

Now it is time for you to "make your way to Rome" and exercise your voting rights to elect a new Pope who will be the only person in the world vested with the power to be "Gods Messenger" on earth.

They, the hierarchy of the Catholic church, no matter what dirt they have on their hands, should slam the doors to the Vatican in your face.

This is an interesting chain of events. If the Cardinal is found to be guilty, than he will be detained and booked to stand trial and not able to make the trip. If found not guilty during questioning, than he will be free to make the trip and we need to except that.

J. HOWARD-1779114

How do you figure he's a pedophile. He is not accused of being a pedophile either. You are the only one accusing him of that so far. He's accused of not taking action against the pedophile priest. Reading your post you have a lot of anger towards something and accuse him of being a pedophile because ...?

Franklyn, the problem with your statement is that for every case of teacher molestation there are many which are not reported! And there have been many cases of schools trying to "hush up" these cases before they were reported. There should be a zero tollerance of molestation at both the Catholic Church AND the public school system. Just read all of the stories about 16 year old girls sleeping with a gym teacher and the girl was just too embarassed to prosecute. The problem today is that this is not a story trying to bring out a truth it is a vendetta against ALL organized religion! BTW, I am not in any religion at this time, but, I do not condone the liberal hatred against Chrisitanity and other religions.

Mahoney, you were in charge, where does the buck stop?

Xina:

The difference is people are pretty much forced to pay taxes to support public education and those who have the necessary additional income can choose to send their children elsewhere, but are still required by law to support public schools; while people in the RRC support it, and it's criminality, completely voluntarily.

Those who continue to support the RRC are at the very least, enablers continually making excuses for an evil, criminal enterprise, gambling and blindly believing, no matter how bad, it will be their ticket into the imagined heaven they were conned into believing existed.

At some point, the RRC followers need to demand the clean up of the cesspool pit, or they become just as guilty as the worst of them.

Don't do (support the RRC) what you'll have to find an excuse for (the evil of the RRC). ~Proverb

Jhoward, the liberals will just keep on vomiting their hatred of all religion whenever they can! You should not pray to anyone but the "Obamessiah"!

I am not a Catholic (or even a theist of any sort) but I find the bigotry I see in so many comments here not only offensive but intellectually bankrupt.

Only small minds get fixated on the very imperfect human beings that subscribe to a religious faith or staff its institutions. To judge any institution by the failings of its adherents is illogical.

Imagine the outcry if one proposed judging the Civil Rights movement by the plagiarism and philandering
of ML King Jr. And yet the hypocrisy of judging the Catholic Church in the same fashion is entirely acceptable among the self-proclaimed "enlightened."

First, get the beam out of thine own eye. And let the Cardinal worry about his own immortal soul, if there be such a thing.

B Murphy

@Moshulu: No offense, but I couldn't disagree more emphatically.

No offense taken. I particularly understand all molestation of innocent children is vile. My comparison mostly dealt with the "procreation," aspect of male/female relationship being the "norm" (being more of what the outcome of sex is supposed to be for, creation of life), as opposed too male/male, which, seems to be immensely more common than female/female molestation.

Now, as far as Gay/Lesbian relationships, before anyone goes off the deep end, I couldn't care less what "adults" decide to do with their sexual lives. It is the mostly male/male molestation of these little boys that the Catholic Church has no doubt been involved in for centuries, covered up, concealed, and those accused, slapped on the wrist and sent on their way to another locale, just to start over again, absolutely pathetic.

Personally I have loss much respect for the Catholic Church.

If such a thing were ever to occur in a public school, you could potentially see a State filing for bankruptcy, due to the ensuing litigation.

I don't agree with that statement, if you looked hard enough you'll find proof public school sexual abuse in some cases is far worse than in Catholic schools, but that's not compared with the Catholic Church, an all together different monster.

See why we are leaving the Catholic Church?

For crying out loud, would all of you atheist stop bashing the priest and buying into this garbage? Remember this, everyone is subject to pedophiles INCLUDING secular religion. How is it that many of you still hate Christianity (Not going to say religion because you'll have to include them all of them) yet atheist president, obama, kills million of innocents people and secular parent is even subjective to rape their own flesh and blood. Another thing, stop believing everything the media has told you because they don't produce 100% information they still lie. Oh, and one more thing, please stop using the word "tax religion" nonsense because it violets Separation of Church and State. Read the constitution more accurately.

I really hope that people can see past the scandal and realize the beauty of the Catholic Church.

Hmmm. Cardinals who say they forgive the victims of sex abuse for being angry at being abused at the hands of the church. Cardinals who claim they're the victims for people trying to hold them accountable for aiding child molesters in committing such molestation. Cardinals who declare they're martyrs akin to Jesus for being taken to task for crimes against humanity.

Sounds like pretty incorrigible criminals to me...born and raised by the world's largest organized crime ring.

Perhaps it's time to dissolve the Catholic church completely. I think the U.S. and other countries need to freeze all their bank accounts, seize all their assets, and sell everything off to establish the biggest victims relief fund in history, since the Catholic church has also committed the most crimes against humanity of any organization in history, as it's been committing such crimes--including the wholesale slaughter of people--for centuries.

The Unionized teacher has harmed more children than any Priest...

Where did this term scapegoat come from?? Was it long ago when a goat was escaping and the guy turns around from the stable and blames it being released on the first peasant he lays eyes on??

"It is you...you let my goat escape....you are guilty and will be punished by death...unless you are Jewish too then I let you live" he replies angrily "it wasn't me it was your faulty gate (Made in China) and your goat was strong and released itself " "NO...It was you because I sleep with your sister and you seek revenge against me"

Hence the term scapegoat. A term used to blame someone else which may or may not have been the perpetrator...as only GOD knows the truth because to be human is to error and to error is to lie.

I am pretty sure that is how it went down. No..no need to thank me its a gift I have and I try to share with everyone cause your all cool like that...your all my homies...peace.

Only small minds get fixated on the very imperfect human beings that subscribe to a religious faith or staff its institutions. To judge any institution by the failings of its adherents is illogical.

Imagine the outcry if one proposed judging the Civil Rights movement by the plagiarism and philandering
of ML King Jr. And yet the hypocrisy of judging the Catholic Church in the same fashion is entirely acceptable among the self-proclaimed "enlightened."

There is a reason for the invention of the saying "Birds of a feather flock together" and it has nothing to do with being small minded.

Plagiarism and philandering are a far cry from child molestation, greed, murder and crimes against humanity. Besides, when did philandering become illegal?

It doesn't require an "enlightened one" to recognize the vast difference and not compare one man's lifetime of imperfect behavior with the hundreds of years of evil history of the RRC, which by the way, does not end with the death of one leader.

This joker should be behind bars for aiding and abetting, not crying the blues and feeling sorry for himself.

Granny,

99% of what the Catholic Church teaches is not in the Bible. The other 1% is twisted to make it sound like what they want to teach. The Catholic Church can make up any rule it wants as long as it doesn't contradict the Bible, but it doesn't have to be in it. Go read the Bible and compare it to teh Catechism of the Catholic Church, it's a laugh!

Hello folks, as you have witnessed the Catholic fundamentalists are out pronouncing their fundamentalism as do other religions like the Islamic fundamentalists. I grew up Roman Catholic and it is nothing more than a control mechanism to keep the masses in line and under control. The problem is that those that fall into the Catholic trap are as brain washed as Islamic fundamentalists are, they have receded and given their power to a mortal man that dresses like Liberace who oversees the pedophilia, subjugation and corruption of the planet.

Don't bother arguing with Catholic fundamentalists as most are nothing more than drones. During their weekly ritual they actually think they are drinking the blood of and eating the body of "Christ". It always appeared to be cannibalistic to me. They follow orders during this ritual, they kneel, they stand, they sit, they bow their head, they close their eyes all on command from a mortal man who is probably lining up his next victim from the congregation of sheeple. If they can get anybody to believe and willfully cede to their rituals, it's official, they are brainwashed.

They get their sheeple flock to believe in an old almighty powerful man with a beard that sits in the clouds and watches everything they do 24/7. The Roman Catholics are then told to be thankful that there is a god that has given them the choice to either adhere to 10 laws or to burn and choke and suffer and scream and cry and be tortured for all eternity!

But he loves you! And he needs money, he always needs more money. He is all powerful but just can't handle money.

Look at his resume, war, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Kardashian sisters. If this is the best he can do, I'm not impressed. This is not the work you would expect from an almighty being. This is the work you would expect from a temporary with a really bad attitude. With these results, he should be thrown to the curb on his almighty powerful a$$ (channeling George Carlin)!

Don't get me wrong, everyone has a right to believe in the Easter Bunny, God, Great Gazoo, Oompa Loompas, Santa Claus, Peter Pan or any other fictional character they choose to, but they don't have the right to push it off on anyone else as fact or reality!

The sexual abuse that has been perpetrated by the Catholic Church on tens of thousands of innocent children is on a scale that lends itself so that even the casual observer has to wonder if it is an accepted ritual within the church. Many people come to the defense of the church stating that it is the celibate role that has lent itself to the wide spread abuse. If so, why are the majority of victims boys?

The problem is not just with the number of priests who molests young children, but in
a Vatican power structure with Vultures Cardinals like Roger Mahony who harbors and conceals pedophiles, hides other sexual behavior patterns among its clerics and uses the strategies of duplicity
and counterattack against the victims.

Pedophile priests have molested innocent children in the Roman Catholic Church probably since the beginning of the church. These pedophiles have been protected and their horrendous crimes against children have gone unpunished. It is amazing to me that there are over a billion Catholics. I guess acceptance of pedophilia in the church is the cost of "salvation"!

We are witnessing the decline and fall of the Vatican. The Pope has to remain in Vatican City in order to take advantage of the Sanctuary Laws afforded to Vatican City. If he leaves, there is a warrant for his arrest and he will be charged for crimes against humanity. The Vatican is nothing but a front for money laundering, tax evasion, theft, bribery and occult corrupt practices against humanity. The poor sheeple that remain in the church will continue to be fleeced. It's their free will and choice, but once again don't push it off on other people as fact or reality.

@Moshuluu:

I don't agree with that statement, if you looked hard enough you'll find proof public school sexual abuse in some cases is far worse than in Catholic schools, but that's not compared with the Catholic Church, an all together different monster.

That's because you actually can look, and find information on molestation in schools. You'd literally have to break into the Arch-diocese to gain access to the entire collection of evidence they have. Remember, they've been handling this 'internally' for decades, and that doesn't even include the other countries where these sick $^#$'s do their 'work'. As I said, public schools don't have anywhere near the capital to actually cover these things up, they are found out eventually, and typically quickly. The Church simply operates on a completely different playing field.

Never Stop Asking Questions

He is the Paterno of the Vatican....

How dare you use this to bring Joe Paterno's name into this. Your a joke. Mahoney sat over 100s of cases. Joe Paterno NEVER TRIED TO HIDE what happened. Its too bad we cant sue you for your BS statement.

You ARE in the same group as Jesus

Absolutely not! This is blasphemy!

During his tenure as Archbishop of Los Angeles, Cardinal Mahoney did much good for the community, particularly in advancing the interests of Latinos. It is unfortunate his many good works will be overshadowed by his unforgivable dereliction of his sacred duty to protect the most vulnerable members of his flock from sexual predators.

TrustVerify:

I too was born into the dredges of evil, although as a Greek catholic. Two great grandfathers were priests and through their writings to the Vatican, I have since learned the reason the church will not allow priests to marry. Nothing to do with Jesus being unmarried, btw.

European Greek catholics were allowed to marry (since around the 15th century). When they immigrated here, the pope declared my great grandmothers to be "legal mistresses" and demanded all property owned be turned over to the church or my great grandfathers would be out of a job. By not allowing priests to marry, there are no heirs, except the church. The church will NEVER allow marriage to occur by their priests. As usual with the church, it's an economical reason, not a divine reason.

Now that you mention the purposely elaborate rituals, it reminds me of the psychology used in gaining military compliance to blindly follow orders or even the game "Simon Sez". Lol

Invisible Hand:

During his tenure as Archbishop of Los Angeles, Cardinal Mahoney did much good for the community, particularly in advancing the interests of Latinos.

Yes, typical MO of pedophiles used to cover up and keep secret the bad behavior. Blind them with kindness.

Remember, they've been handling this 'internally' for decades, and that doesn't even include the other countries where these sick $^#$'s do their 'work'.

Vatican held (hidden) pedophile archives go back to the 4th century.

Ok, Paterno was terrible enough. He let child abuse go on in his building and program, and turned his head, so he didn't have to see. This whole organization, (the Roman Catholic Church) from top to bottom has known for decades that they were aiding and abetting violent criminals, (who preyed on children) and has not only done NOTHING to punish the criminals, but has resisted having their complicity in the crimes even be investigated. The organization is rotten, through and through. It should have long since been prosecuted as "organised crime", and its assets confiscated (that we go easy on religious crime in this country, is no excuse for doing nothing here). How can the good priests and parishoners continue to support this corrupt organization? You may not personally rape children, but if you follow those who do (or who cover it up) aren't you just as guilty as they? They are criminals, and they coddle and hide criminals (which Mahoney has done), and you go follow them every sunday. What does that make you?

They are criminals, and they coddle and hide criminals (which Mahoney has done), and you go follow them every sunday. What does that make you?

Guilty by association.

@Trustverify You again?! Oh, great, another secular fundamentalist preaching how "crazy" the church is and religion this and that. SMH

Oh, great, another secular fundamentalist preaching how "crazy" the church is and religion this and that.

What's wrong with being a secular fundamentalist? What evils have secular fundamentalism brought to humanity?

I know of many ways religious fundamentalists have brought evil and destruction since the beginning of mankind, beginning with your own story of Adam and Eve being punished just for eating from the wrong tree.

Charlie, you saying that he's in the same class as Jesus is so FAR from the truth, I actually can't believed you said that. They couldn't be FARTHER from god or his son Jesus. Not only do they preach their lies that ARE NOT bible teachings, they molest children(and then blame the children), they protect priests who molest all the while sitting back and trying to fool people into thinking they are holy. The day is coming soon when they will fall and the Catholic church will be no more. People are already starting to turn on them and they get all their deserved.

Scapegoat? How about pedophile enabler for innocent boys who could not defend themselves you f#$king scumbag. You knew this sh!t was going on for years and turned you back on the children that were entrusted to the church by their parents. Thousands of lives have been decimated because of you and the rest of the Cardinals, Bishops, Priest who allowed or did the most unspeakable things to boys who were at your f#$king mercy.

Yeah Mahoney, you and every pedophile that was supposed to be a man of the cloth should "literally" be crucified on a cross. And I don't mean tied to it, but nail spikes driven in to secure your worthless a$$ to the beams. You unrepentant scumbag. You and those that committed the most ungodly acts that is beyond redemption in gods eyes, you committed a heinous acts on a children which is the worst sin of all. If the law can't try and execute you, at least you should be tried and given life with hard labor and no parole.

It's scumbags like you Cardinal Mahoney are some of the reasons I do not attend a church. You have forgotten the words sacrifice and humble meant. But I beat you know silver coins sound like, do you?

Same old defense from the church, and it still doesn't fly. Nobody is being scapegoated here. This is not guilt by association. The church is not being blamed en masse for the wrongdoings of a few. The church is being blamed because it was aware of these abuses and, not only did it choose to do nothing to stop them, it chose to actively cover them up and protect the abusers. That makes this an institutional sin, and makes the likes of Mahoney and the rest of that corrupt institution guilty and deserving of our disdain.

This is not guilt by association. The church is not being blamed en masse for the wrongdoings of a few. The church is being blamed because it was aware of these abuses and, not only did it choose to do nothing to stop them,...

Nathan, since the RCC members are now fully aware of the sins committed by the church, past and present, with nothing in place to prevent future abuses and cover ups, everyone who continues to support the church is guilty by association. Ignorance is no longer an excuse for church members to remain supportive of an evil enterprise unwilling to change.

People do not need to belong to a church in order to achieve their goals and maintain their beliefs, be it heaven, believing in a god or Jesus, or just living as a descent human being.

As long as people choose to remain a part of the RCC sex club, they have lost all credibility and respect from the rest of the world.

Xina the Awesome

So if as you say the Parishioners find what happened to us children as deplorable, why oh why do you all defend the indefensible?

For unless and until you Parishioners of the Unholy Roman Catholic Church of Pedophile Pimps and Priests do not take action, then we victims of priest sexual abuse will in fact condemn you along with the rest of the scum of your church.

@Debi-1314897 more then you believe. Secular religion destroy morality with liberal ideology and even in the dark ages.

Secular religion

1. Please define "secular religion"

2. Please give examples of how secular groups, or secular individuals, harmed humanity.

Hello JPC, do you belong to the Roman Catholic Church of Flagellation? Because if you think the Roman Catholic church has anything to do with morality you must enjoy personal castigation.

Enclosed is an article with a little historical perspective on the Pope's and Vatican's background:

Pope And The Corrupt Vatican Bank – Drug Money – 23 February 2013

Dr. Rath Health Foundation
Newsletter 22 February 2013

Here is our latest selection of the key health and politics news stories from around the world. You can read the entire newsletter online on our website. To go straight to any individual story, just access its title below.

During the past weeks, the world’s attention has been captivated by the surprise resignation of Pope Benedict XVI. With the Catholic Church currently facing one of its deepest crises, a closer look at the role of this Pope, the German-born Joseph Ratzinger, is therefore justified.

On Monday, 11 February, 2013, in an unexpected announcement, the Vatican Information Service reported Ratzinger’s resignation. Judging by the subsequent reaction of the global media, we are seemingly supposed to believe that Ratzinger was driven by an act of God-like heroism in his decision to step down. In reality, however, the truth may be far more complex.

To understand the political views of this Pope one cannot ignore his upbringing. His grand uncle, Georg Ratzinger, was a member of the German Parliament in the late 19th century and belonged to a political party that – behind the deceptive name of “Zentrum” – promoted nationalistic, right-wing goals. A case in point: With the vote of the Pope’s grand uncle and his party, the German Parliament passed a law literally outlawing the German Social Democratic Party and banning it from political life. Thus, his portrayal, e.g. on Wikipedia, as an ‘early Benedict’ on a mission to help the poor is little more than a whitewash.

During Pope Benedict’s youth, this political “swamp” continued. His father, Joseph Ratzinger Sr., was a member of the Nazi-Ordnungspolizei (the Nazi “Order-Police”). The “Orpo” was formally under the administration of the Nazi Interior Ministry but in reality was controlled by the SS. ‘Father’ Ratzinger remained part of the “Orpo” even during the time when these ‘nationalistic and racist robots’ became part of the machinery for imposing the Nuremberg racial laws on the Jewish people. The Wikipedia portrayal of Ratzinger Sr. as an “anti-Hitler” freedom fighter therefore remains an unsubstantiated fairy tale disseminated in order to cover the Pope’s political history.

With this background it was no surprise that Pope Ratzinger became an official member of the Hitler Youth, was trained as a Nazi anti-aircraft soldier and later fought in WWII as a young Nazi infantry soldier. After his election as Pope, a “whitewash” campaign was subsequently launched that tried to re-paint his Nazi past and portray him as yet another anti-Nazi freedom fighter. Here too, Wikipedia served as the allegedly independent platform for this “clean-up operation”.

With this political background, with his expertise in re-interpreting the past, and with post-war Germany becoming the single largest financier of the Vatican, it was inevitable that Ratzinger rose to the position of a key ‘puppeteer’ within the Catholic Church. For a quarter of a century he was pulling the strings behind the scene as head of the ‘Sacred Congregation’ – the successor of the infamous ‘Catholic Inquisition’.

So what about his surprise resignation?

Only days after the announcement that he would be stepping down, Ratzinger made the final key appointment of his crisis-ridden papacy. It was the approval of a German lawyer, Ernst Von Freyberg, to head the Vatican’s embattled bank. Freyberg was a first choice – he had managed the finances of the Malteser Society, a semi-clandestine fraternity with dark Medieval roots.

Was this appointment a coincidence – or was the embattled Vatican bank a cause for Ratzinger’s surprise resignation as Pope? A closer look at the Vatican Bank’s embattled history may provide the answer.

Thirty years ago, David Yallop’s well-researched book, “In God’s Name”, detailed the activities of a Mafia-linked Masonic lodge inside the Vatican and the mysterious death on 17 June 1982 of Roberto Calvi, also known as “God’s Banker”. Calvi, chairman of Banco Ambrosiano with close ties with the Vatican, was found hanging from London’s Blackfriars Bridge with $15,000 and a number of bricks in his pockets. Calvi’s death was initially ruled a suicide but the case was reopened by Italian prosecutors several times amid strong suspicions, which persist to this day, that Calvi had been murdered.

Notably, therefore, on November 25, 1981, barely seven months prior to Calvi’s impious death under a London bridge, Ratzinger had been appointed head of the highly influential ‘Congregation’ of the Vatican, formally titled the ‘Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’. In taking on this elite role, he essentially became the second most powerful man in the Vatican – and known as the ‘papal enforcer’. An executive body of the Vatican, the ‘Congregation’ had, over the years, become a hybrid group with a part- cabinet/part-religious policing role within the Vatican power structure. From this position, Ratzinger must have had intimate knowledge about the dealings of the Vatican Bank with Banco Ambrosiano and Robert Calvi.

Now, three decades later, startling new evidence has emerged pointing to a connection between Calvi and the Columbian Cocaine Cartel. The exposure of this link was published in the “International Business Times” in November 2012, a mere three months before Razinger’s surprise resignation announcement and his subsequent appointment of von Freyberg to head the Vatican Bank.

With global awareness growing regarding both this and other underreported controversies linked to the Vatican and its bank, could this be why Ratzinger is apparently to be “hidden from the world” in his retirement years? As always, only time will tell.

The Dr. Rath Health Foundation

Xina the Awesome, blind followers have allowed pedophilia go on for decades if not centuries thus making these sheep of the flock guilty for letting this go on. You cannot tell me the parishioners could not have rose up against the filth these men perpetrated against our posterity. This makes them complicit to the crimes of this filth. As for the Pope being infallible this is just insane. All men and women make mistakes and are bound to do it often. Just as those wretched papal bulls that cannot be rescinded due to the notion the pope who issued them is infallible is just crazy and not logical by any standards except for the world of religion. All papa bulls, hidden truths of murder, pedophilia and enslavement not to mention giving mere men the right to take that which was not theirs should be revoked and rebuked. Many of today's court decisions have roots in these ridiculous papal bulls and due to the infallible nonsense of a pope the Catholic Church in Rome will not revoke anything committed under their watch. This proves the are fallible and these blind sheep should be able to see this. But when you belong to a cult you cannot see nor think for yourself. Society would be centuries ahead had not these lunatics been turned lose on society. We would not have had the Dark Ages setting the advancement of society back by hundreds of years.

What a waste of grey matter but yet these same cult followers are elected leaders, CEO's, professors, doctors and every profession known. It is time to rid this world of the Catholic Church and its history from mankind. Bury it in the catacombs as those souls they have murdered in the name of the Church have been. Long forgotten in the anals of history.

Thanks for the article, TrustVerify. The tentacles of evil within the RCC includes much more than just pedophilia.

@Debi-1314897 oh, stop sucking up to him. He copy and paste his recycle information and plus he doesn't know what he's talking about because I heard garbage before. For Starters, you need to get your head out of your butt and drop the RCC is evil when you don't BELIEVE in evil or condemn it because it's nonexistence to you. Atheism has no right to condemn other religion aka Christianity because atheism has crime they need to pay as well. Secular religion is a godless religion and it doesn't applied to atheism only. Buddhism, Taoism, Pantheism, Zero-theism, and so much more but listen everyone has a crime to pay but some make the crime scene to victimize themselves and make the innocent guilty. Think about this, that woman could of walk away from the abuse but instead she went with it because she let herself be sexually abuse same thing with boys but it's not the priest we should blame or the RCC, it's our fault for letting our sexual curiosity get the best of us. So rather blaming them we should blame ourselves for not using our heads on this and report it BEFORE it happen but people are stupid and greedy for money and it will bite them in the butt later. As for atheism and sex abuse; China, North Korea because both has a high rate of sex abuse as well so please don't be a hypocrite by blaming other religion and exclude yourself.

I agree with Pantload. As the leader of the US Catholic Church he's accountable for the behavior of those under him. The cardinals who knew about the abuses and tried to cover them up shouldn't be allowed to attend the conclave. We all should sign the petition being circulated by Catholics United. It's funny how John Paul II chastised Arbishop Oscar Romero for denouncing the Salvadoran government's wholesale killing of civilians in the 80s. Yet this pope has never publicly condemned the abuses committed by those within their ranks. They got away with a slap in the wrist with a little help from the over $1 billion put out by the Church. Man! This guys have a bundle. I plan to watch the documentary today.

The documentary you mentioned, "Deliver Us From Evil" features Leon Panetta saying that 11,000 American children have been molested by priests (to date).

That's bad enough, but even worse, only 70% of Catholics disagree with the way the Church handled their pedophile priests... which means nearly a third of Catholics polled SUPPORTED the Church's shuffling them from parish to parish.

I'd call that complicity.

What are these people thinking? That their God wants his church leaders to rape children? Or are they afraid to go against the church and possibly get shut out of heaven? What insanity.

If there is a heaven, I'd never want to spend eternity there with those pedophile apologists.

I saw a Disney movie that "proves" dragons can fly ,might want to check that out too.Watched an Iranian video that exposes the multitude of elected officials in the US who have actually been found guilty of inappropriate behavior.I guess that "proves" democracy is truly a secret club devoted to promoting evil.Funny how all the experts on the church have no clue about church matters,making ill-informed decisions based on misinformation and conjecture.

So, then go ahead and extol your expertise. The fact of the matter is, more and more the church seems unable to steer clear of controversy and there are irrefutable instances of molestation within the church. What are you protecting (btw - your analogy may have been passable if it weren't for the idiotic Disney example).

"Cardinal Mahony will travel to Rome to fulfill his sacred duty under church law to vote for the next pope,” it said.

It would appear the Cardinal felt he should apply those same words, ".... fulfill his sacred duty...." when he protected countless priests over those innocents who were sexually and mentally ravaged by the Catholic Church. What Mahoney doesn't understand - has never understood - is that in order to be forgiven, one much accept full responsibility for one's actions - their crime - wrong doing. He has not. Mahoney has admitted nothing and is therefore unfit in any capacity. He will never understand that. As always, he is where he has always seen himself...above it all. His hands...he holds up his palms often yet he himself cannot see how dirty they are - have been for years and yet he continues to wash them. Yes I cut and pasted my earlier entry.

There is no "US Catholic Church". The Roman Catholic Church is universal.

The cardinal happens to be one of the highest ranked American priests. (priest<bishop<archbishop<cardinal<pope)

The bishops of each diocese where pedophile priests were located are the people that must be punished. They are the sole ones who directly knew of and then acted (misacted) to hide/relocate the pedophiles). The Catholic Church's doctrine and ministry is larger than any one priest or bishop. Kick out those directly responsible (the "cleansing"), a diocese can still function without a bishop. Plus, you elevate good priests into bishop roles...that's what the archbishop does.

@ Gimmeabreakoradrink...."The cardinal happens to be one of the highest ranked American priests. The bishops of each diocese where pedophile priests were located are the people that must be punished. They are the sole ones who directly knew of and then acted (misacted) to hide/relocate the pedophiles)."

Seriously...so...even tho this cardinal (Mahoney) - the highest ranked American priest - knew all about what was happening....worked HARD to protect staff pedophiles....he is not responsible...as the highest ranked American priest....

Respectfully, you need to reread and rethink what you wrote. Mahoney climbed up your posted ladder....priest<bishop<archbishop<cardinal<pope...on the backs of his pedophiles and his child victims. He is unfit...unclean. Mahoney KNEW. Mahoney PROTECTED his pedophile priests. Mahoney DID NOT protect his innoccent children. Mahoney's hands are filty with years of lying.

They should get jail time as everyone else

It is and was horribly wrong that the Catholic Church didn't punish those found to be child abusers to the full extent of the law. Most of us think they should have thrown the abusers out on the street and into the arms of the law...no second chances. Unfortunately the Catholics aren't the only religious institutions that have done this. Many other sects have "forgiven" the sins of people in their ranks for pedophelia and homosexual behaviour, believing the perpetrator's promise to " sin no more " in exchange for being forgiven and not prosecuted. When you think about it, the perfect vocation for a pedophile to hide in is working with children in a profession that people think of as trustworthy. Churches and schools are perfect examples. Just look at the recent Penn State scandel. Swaggert claimed to be cured of his sex addiction and forgiven of his sins in a matter of a few weeks and back in the religion business as a reformed sinner. Mohoney and others like him who protect criminals from the law are as guilty as the criminal by allowing the crimes to continue, he should be prosecuted too. No religious institution has the right to absolve a pedophile and decide to let the abuser go free.

Gimmeabreakoradrink

...Go with the drink.

Rocket Dog and FRANKLYN4567

No trial? Just guilty? ... Is that your America?

I have to agree with many of the posters today. If you commit an act of child molestation you need to go to jail and never get out! The problem today is that our press is demonizing the Catholic Church and ignoring an even larger problem in their back yard. I have counted over 15 new cases of sexual abuse by teachers in the Denver metro area over the last six months. With the probability that there are about 100 actual cases for every one reported that is a huge issue.

Yes, I agree that Catholic priests who molested children should be punished. I also have seen an incredible lack of interest in punishing a much larger number of molestors who also teach in our schools! Yes, you see a story or two that professes to show distaste for the situation, but, I have seen many more which just "chortle" at some 15 year old boy getting to "nail" his 28 year old teacher! Just another example of liberals protecting their own while demonizing anything they do not agree with!

Those molesters teaching in your schools have tenure and a union that will protect them to the death. Surely you have heard of teachers assigned to "administrative duties"or "rubber rooms" at full salary. At least they have to find their "fresh meat" outside the classroom and the people protecting them don't get to vote for the next pope.

You got it right, Cincinnati! I actually have heard of teachers in very liberal school districts actually retiring after 20 years in the "rubber rooms"! How in the world can anyone preach the benefits of our public schools while something like this goes on! All religion has its faults, but, you will almost never hear a liberal agreeing that public schools have ANY faults! (Except maybe a lack of funding to fulfill their "Progressive" dreams!)

@ASureBet....

Rocket Dog and FRANKLYN4567 No trial? Just guilty? ... Is that your America?

Has not a single thing to do with 'America'....has to do with the almighty Catholic Church, their inability to part with their dirty wealth and understand they have pedophiles within their clergy and staff whom they have protected since time began.

While I do agree with him, no need to include me with FRANKLYN4567 - I said nothing of - jail time. Mahoney reeks of arrogance - listen to him talk - his total ignoring of the issues - how many children??? No, ASureBet....am going with the Big Guy in the Sky. Matthew 18:6 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Mahoney's moment is coming and he shall have no vote. I have complete faith.

Dan, most of those teachers you mention are already in jail or awaiting to be put in jail, and more will follow if they are found guilty, there's hardly a cover up in any school system, on the other hand with the catholic church and other religious groups is the other way around, they are known to cover up this cases of sexual abuse.It comes to my mind a case in the mid 80s in Los Angeles County of 7 Filipinos priests raping a barely 16 year old girl (Milla versus Tamayo) and got her pregnant, all of them fled the country in order to avoid charges, with the help from none other than the men in cloth at the helm of the church at that time, namely Manning/ Mahonny.With teachers is known that more often than not, when they are charged with bad sexual behavior towards a minor they are quickly plucked from the school where they work and then put behind bars, and in most cases with the full cooperation of the schools where all this happened. Franklin. P.

How far back do you want to go?

Back to the 3 or 400s when the first documents detailing cases of the catholic church covering up child rape were written.

The Christianity religion didn't get started until the 4th century CE, when Emperor Constantine had his so-called vision from God that he would be victorious over the Romans. He also is responsible for the canonization of what has become The Bible. He, a man, decided what ancient scrolls were appropriate to be in this canonization.The book of Mary was left out because it portrayed that women might be equal to men and that was against the tradition of the times so it was excluded. Christianity has been a man made religion from the very beginning.

Kind of reminds me of the Wall Street bankers.

Kind of reminds me of the Wall Street bankers.

And Obama and many other in government. They have been getting away with murder, drug and gun dealing/running and so on for years. Oh but wait it was not an american child that was the victim so who cares. Well I do

Like take this quote and change a few words

The fact of the matter is, more and more the church seems unable to steer clear of controversy and there are irrefutable instances of molestation within the church. What are you protecting

The fact of the matter is, more and more the church US Gov seems unable to steer clear of controversy and there are irrefutable instances of molestation murder and crime within the church on our planet. What are you protecting

Listen nothing and no one is perfect. What the church has done is unexcusable. What they have done is no different then what many other groups and governments have done also. Problem here is that they are not the government and don't have powers of executive privilege or the powers to write laws so the members are exclude from crime (like congress). Also look at the money the gov. takes in, our taxes, pay offs, contributions, etc then just gives it away or pads their own pockets. It all has to do with MONEY and the ABUSE OF POWER! It is everywhere you look

fishman-1985527- please crawl back under your bridge and allow the grown-ups to stay on topic. We are talking about the abuse of children by the CC. We are not discussing the downfall of western civilization because the government is corrupt. (I mean really, who doesn't know the government, at all levels is corrupt?) There are plenty of other threads more suited to your tirade. Move along please.

There's always some idiot -- fishman -- who injects politics into this. President Obama isn't even Catholic -- he's a Muslim commie from Kenya, right?

It's NOT religions themselves, it's NOT having faith, belief etc.. in a higher power, it's NOT in wanting to be honest, decent, forthright people who want to lead by their own good example!!!!

It's in MAN bastardizing the religions, the faith, the true words of God and Jesus, it's in MEN writing the bible the w ay theyt want it to read either including or deleting or changing the meanings of the word of God.IT's in MANS greed and sickness of mind and soul. It's in the followers of those religions for not standing up and denoucing it all instead of fearing excommunication etc..

There isn't one thing wrong with having faith, a belief in God, in being a honest, decent person who tries their level best to follow some type of code for decent human behavior. If you look at almost most every relgion there are many very basic principals that are good, right and the way people should live. You can act on those things without labeling yourself any one religion or even ever entering a church. You can be on a mountain top, by a river, at a bus stop or even your own bathtub and pray to whichever God you believe in. Communion with a higher power and vow to do your level best daily not to be a sinner and ask forgiveness for your sins. An example is the Golden Rule. TAke away the relgious aspect and you have a simple easy to follow guideline for appropriate behavior. I could go on forever but it is MEN AND WOMEN that screw up relgion NOT relgion itself.

Steve, you being gay I can see how you would hate the Catholic Church!

ev

Pretty much right on with your statement skrewdworld. It's in MAN bastardizing the religions everything.

I could go on forever but it is MEN AND WOMEN that screw up relgion NOT relgion our government not our government itself. Like with everything people have screwed it up due to power and money

Civil law is AFTER moral law, that is why the outrage is so great. Many people look to the Pope for solace and example with the governments failing so. Anyone in service to the Church at any level protecting a child raper is guilty by association. This should have been the first thought through the Cardinal's mind. All of them.

Everyone has to handle the choices they have made, and find ways to avoid evil.

Good post Marie

why do you not go after public schools as well it is not thew church it is the person period, it is in the news daily kids teachers sex abuse, neighbors, illegals enter our country, evangilists, and other religious groups and this only goes to show sick people are every where not just one religion you and many others keep blaming catholics church period maybe none ev er watch the news daily only here.

NO ONE is perfect and NO ONE is without sin, jesus said "he who is without sin cast the first stone" and those who claim to be perfect christian is a liar.

Everyone needs to stop hatred of one faith and this is what satan wants fight one another.

If a cop breaks the law does this mean all cops are breaking the law?

cital71...give it up, can't you see by the responses you are outnumbered! The truth is the Catholic Church hides these predator priests and until this cancer is removed from the church discontent among the flock will continue. Stay on subject, this is about a cardinal who protected pedophile priests, not other sexual predators.

Mahony and an aide, Thomas Curry, worked to send priests accused of abuse out of California to shield them from law enforcement scrutiny in the 1980s.

Please tell me of the schools that transferred those that abused children to other schools to shield them form law enforcement scrutiny?

It's high time that Catholics stop using the argument that others do it too! These crimes are so far entrenched in the Catholic church that its reputation is deservedly tarnished. This is the time for Catholics to stop deflecting, (others do it too, it happened years ago, not all priests are child abusers, etc.) and demand that those responsible for the abuse and coverup are removed from any position in it. Allowing this man to vote for your next leader does not reflect well on you. Do something about it.

There are many many good Catholics perhaps you should demand that the pedophile enablers stop governing your faith.

IRESPOND-2315268, thank you. I thought it was pretty lucid for a 3 am, insomniac post. This subject makes me nearly clinically insane and I'm sick to death of this conspiracy by an organization that says it's about the word of God, honoring the Lord Jesus, the Mother Mary, all the saints, etc., when in reality it's about money and power. Think of the power a single man had over hundreds of people in a single congregation merely because he was ordained a priest. The hypocrisy of popes in the Middle Ages who all had mistresses and children, although I have much less of a problem with that than the burning of heretics at the stake so they could seize land and property and the wholesale abuse of children. I keep trying to explain to people who try to link this issue of child sexual abuse to the celibacy vow that they are comparing apples with dogs. Why can't they see that paedophiles go where they will have access to lots of victims? And the Catholic Church was especially appealing to them because of their policy of secrecy and covering up. I hope that I see in my lifetime real change and justice, and having a pope resign means that they may (finally), be on the ropes. Let us pray, eh?

"Everyone needs to stop hatred of one faith and this is what satan wants fight one another."

This is NOT about hatred, this is about justice. Way too many Bishops around the world have been covering up crimes committed by the priest they over-see simply to prevent the Catholic Church from looking bad. The Catholic church has brought this on themselves. Satan has nothing to do with the cover ups.

Everyone needs to stop hatred of one faith and this is what satan wants fight one another.

Yeah, let's all hate on gays and women's rights, like the extremely moral Catholic church.

Tell ya what, stop Catholic priests from touching little kids, stop Cardinals from protecting these priests, and you might actually see people not pissed off at the institution. Until then, I'm pretty sure any kind of sexual abuse of a minor is going to result in warranted anger. Ex-communicate every Priest and Cardinal involved in the scandal. Turn them, and all your information over to the authorities, and people will lighten up. Until then, you're just evading the laws of the land. Catholicism isn't above the law, as if you need to have a law against abuse of children and obstruction of justice to know you're doing wrong.

Cital - Go to those threads about illegal immigrants and teachers abusing students and you will see just as much anger and just as steady cries for justice as you see here. Stop pretending as if your idyllic church is the only institution that people have anger towards. Stop acting like people are just mindlessly criticizing the abuse that has occurrd in the church and have nothing negative to say about the functionings of any other group (as a teacher myself, I am well aware of the overall negative public sentiment towards my profession, but I'm not crying about it). And finally, if you want anybody to take your points seriously, please articulate them clearly.

after this barrage of advertizing for on line auctions i will NEVER EVER EVER go on one . i really don't think this firm is doing any good for them but quite the opposite

Cital 71,

You are right Those that continue to say the whole church is corrupt have their own personal axes to grind and declare the whole church corrupt because of the heinous acts of a few of its leaders.

If you cannot follow the Catholic faith, admit you can't and move on to another one that suits your needs. The Catholic church was here long before you were and will be here long after you're gone.

The Vatican, Catholic church worked with Hitler during WW2 German soldiers did not even go into the Vatican when Germany occupied Italy, anyone ever wonder why? They were in cohorts.

Mahony is not a scapegoat or a victim. He's simply like far too many Bishops in many religions -- he's self righteous, he's arrogant and has an overblown opinion of his own importance.

Catholic Church fights to kill PA's statute of Limitation Reform
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/cover-story/138884039.html?page=2&comments=1&showAll=#ixzz2Lj4rWCy

Hartford, Connecticut (CNN) -- A bill in Connecticut's legislature that would remove the statute of limitations on child sexual abuse cases has sparked a fervent response from the state's Roman Catholic bishops, who released a letter to parishioners Saturday imploring them to oppose the measure.

In Colorado and New York, the church has hired high-priced lobbying and public relations firms to aid in the fight against such bills, while in other states bishops have personally pressed lawmakers to defer them.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/06/14/Catholic-Church-fights-old-abuse-suits/UPI-84731339693600/#ixzz2Lj6Mtzah

Long overdue for the Catholic laity to demand a complete house cleaning.

Thanks for the info, Tommy!

Head Pedophile Pimp, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the Pig Clown of the New York diocese and the Head of the U.S. Catholic Bishops Conference, said it best about the statue of limitations.

See he got his granny panties in a bunch when New York passed the same sex marriage law. He cried how he felt betrayed by the people and legislature of New York and it was a slap in his face and the face of the RCC for passing such a law.

Then he found that New York was also going to put an end to the one year statue of limitations for child abuse. His response?

Dolan also explained that he wanted to keep the statute of limitations for child sex abuse victims to one-year, because if the church gets sued, "The perpetrators don’t suffer. There’s no burden on them. What suffers are the services and the ministries of the apostolates that we’re doing now. Because where does the money come from? So the bishops of 30 years ago that allegedly may have reassigned abusers, they don’t suffer. They’re dead. So the people that suffer are those who are being served right now by the church. We feel that’s a terribly unjust burden."

Yes this scumbag, this low life defender and protector of Pedophile Priests of the Unholy Roman Catholic Church of Pedophile Pimps, Priests and the Parishioners who love, support, defend and protect them, had the unmitigated gall to say if the statue of limitations were in fact ended, it would bring a terrible unjust burden upon his church and untold suffering to them.

You all deserve condemnation for your defending and supporting this evil and you are just as guilty of this evil by not speaking out and demanding resignations and prosecutions as if you held your own child down while the priest was raping them.

It's obvious neither you nor the lynch mob commenting here can fathom that the church has made exceptional strides in combating abuse.If anyone actually bothered to look at the church's policies that have been implemented, to ensure these detestable crimes are stopped ,you might see why the church has actually grown in numbers in recent years.Also the church's opposition to extending the statute of limitations is based on the fact that this policy would apply ONLY to the church- not public schools.If everyone was truly up in arms about child abuse you may want to parlay some of your rage over to the teachers union and make these policies "across the board",not exclusive to the church.And the popes record indicates he actually reopened cases where technically the civil statutes had expired. It speaks volumes that the church has to be persecuted for errors made in the 70's and 80's.Where are all the new cases?Oh yeah,currently being "manufactured" in hollywood.

Verona: This Cardinal covered up the facts. He should NOT be allowed to vote for the next Pope, period. Some are attacking the catholic church in general, but this article is about MAHONEY. He was removed from office because of his coverup. Should he be allowed to vote? No.

If you don't think that sex abuse is continuing in the Catholic Church, I have some swampland to sell you in Florida.

With an average of less than 10 accusations per year over the last 6 years(against some 80,000 priests and religious associated with theRCC)I'd like to see who is doing a better job of combating abuse.

"After the March 2009 release of audit documents by the New Hampshire AG, the names of 74 accused Manchester priests are known, or over 8.9% of the 831 diocesan priests, which extrapolates to 9,768 nationally. Covington diocese states that 9.6% of its priests have been accused, which extrapolates to 10,531 nationally. Over 10% of Providence RI priests have been accused, which extrapolates to over 10,969 nationally." (Bishop Accountability.org)

I think this equates to more than 10 per year

veronafoamer Hmmmm maybe you ought to go to the website Bishops Accountability and look at the Database of Publicly Accused Priests in the United States and realize that the grand total comes to 3,763 priests and nuns credibly accused. Quite a few of them were convicted. Many escaped conviction due to the statue of limitations. Quite a few were sued.

Care to change your stupid stats?

Don't forget Africa. They have redoubled efforts within the past 20-30 years in African countries not already mostly Muslim. I shutter to think what that will be like, because I don't expect it to be any different than any other continent has been with regard to priest child abuse and the Church's covering it up.

Mexico and South America, depressed economies, trade in little boys and girls (sex). I wonder if the above correlation is part of the condoning and looking the other way ($). Again, people took advantage of these cultures, it didn't just spring up, in this modern and online (unregulated) world. But AIDS is rampant in Africa...

It was at that point in the 400s Draconian, that's all it was right from the start; a cartel of pedophiles. They raped children with impunity for centuries. In the old days, even in the sixties when I was a kid, children did not DARE accuse an adult of anything improper. All that would do is get you a lickin,' a whipping in the old days. Many of these "village idiots" in the old days were men who were raped their entire childhood by catholic priests who were NEVER accused. The catholic church is the most evil, destructive organization that mankind has ever produced. They even aided and abetted the SECOND most evil organization mankind has produced, the Nazi Party! Justice?? Justice would be flattening the vatican and stringing up every single member over the rank of priest along with a good chunk of the priests. we will NEVER see justice. Confiscating the entire wealth of the vatican would not even BEGIN to approach justice.

They (priests) have had over 2000 years to become corrupt and abusive. IF Jesus returned today, he would not recognize the church or its leaders as legitimate christians.

Mahony knew this was going on for years and is guilty of being complicit. The Catholic church is a corporation that sells snake oil to the masses to fund their deviant ways. To be fair some Muslim clerics preach hate and approve of the killing of infidels(even if it causes the death of Muslims).

It's like the old saying: do as I say, not as I do.