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Subscribe to RSSNEW YORK -- A 79-year-old man was shot and killed in Brooklyn early Sunday morning, police said.
Police responded to a call of an unconscious man inside his apartment on Gates Avenue in Bushwick at around 2:30 a.m. and discovered James Jackson with a gunshot wound to the neck.
Police sources say Jackson's wife, who is blind, realized he was unresponsive and called 911.
Jackson was taken to Woodhull Hospital where he was later pronounced dead.
There were no signs that someone broke into the apartment, so police are considering the possibility that Jackson was the victim of a stray bullet.
Shocked residents of the building where Jackson lived said they didn't believe he had any enemies.
"Why would anyone harm him? It would take him 20 minutes to walk down the block," said Jackson's neighbor, Vaughn Grandy.
No arrests have been made and an investigation is ongoing.
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Wait just a damn minute, I thought guns were illegal in NYC, this can't happen where guns are outlawed. Oh, wait, maybe a legal weapon in the hands of a law enforcement officer accidentally discharged killing this poor woman's husband; yeah, that's got to be it! (TIC)
Wait a minute ! the wife is BLIND not DEAF and she never hears a gun shot ? usually when people lose a sense (eye sight) the other senses (hearing & smell) are stronger .
No no no, Cops & criminals have all the guns they want.
Its the law abiding citizens that are protected from gun ownership.
my, I love the fact that you use the word protected...the only things the police protect is the chalk outlines and the crime scene...
You must have a license to own a gun in NYC, they are not illegal if you have your paperwork. It is also illegal to murder and assault people; but since when did that stop anyone from murdering and assaulting so do we get rid of the laws?
If this 79 year old was killed with a soup can MS/NBC would not care about him one second. Socialist Agenda pushing by America's 5th ranked network.
Typical bias CRAPPOLA article.
This is what gave the cops the indication that it was a stray bullet. She wouldn't hear it from a block away and outside....
If someone was killed with a soup can I'm sure it would be huge news since it never happens.
Broomberg need to ban old men from walking in N.Y. City!
Or Tyrell was celebrating his 14th b-day with his baby momma and popped off a few caps! thats what they do in NYC yahoo gots me a homey! pow pow oops!
NBC had to look hard but did come up with a gun story they could use... They are desperate to keep the anti gun debate going.
He should have had his own gun on him............ and why wasn't his wife packing?
Those saying guns are outlawed in NYC are asses. Guns are not "outlawed" in any city or state in the USA. Some cities and states have stricter gun laws, and NYC is NOT one of the ones with super-strict laws, so your logic is flawed in any case. And "notblack," I don't throw this word around a lot, but you are a grade-A racist.
ECF
Your joking, right?
R.I.P. James Jackson, condolences to his wife and family. Despite your opinions and agendas fellow Viners, there is a dead human at the end of this story.
better off a "old geezard" then a kid getting capped !!! but this isn't even news worthy MS/ NBC
Did you really just say that?
NY State has the Strictest gun control legislation in the country, NYC falls under those policies.
Newswinner1
my, I love the fact that you use the word protected...the only things the police protect is the chalk outlines and the crime scene...
wrong they also protect the line at the doughnut shop
i feel sorry for the wife...he was probably her eyes and ears...
Did you really just say that?
NY State has the Strictest gun control legislation in the country, NYC falls under those policies.
ECF2222...
Guns are allowed in my city...just can't pack anywhere where alcohol is served. Makes sense to me. Psssssttt....we don't have people blowing other people away in the streets every day either. As a matter of fact, it's quite safe here!
Trmra:
Can you buy an AR-15 there?
It's "geezer," you heartless idiot. I assume that you are not a kid, so shall we consider you expendable, too?
The gun was probably fired by a "kid." They are all angels!
Jeez, I had to scroll down 20 or 30 comments before I found anyone who gave a damn about his poor widow. What a caustic world we live in.
idaho,
Where "your" sympathy?
Amused,
I'm with you on that. I was a litte shocked when I read it however, I am also not too surprised anymore at some of the "A-hole" comments I read here on the vine.
WELL, THERE YOU AGAIN..................
The ANTI-GUN Media is scraping the barrel for GUN SHOOTING NEWS. Awwwwwwe.....
I guess the anti gun freaks need to stage another "fake shooting" somewhere. When are we going to get a REAL and INDEPENDENT investigation of the Sandy Hook shooting?
Is there ever going to be law enforcement or investigative units that we can trust anymore???? Sandy Hook is the biggest pack of bungled lies we have ever seen. We can't even find out if the school was really in session the day of the shooting (Dec 14).
The LAPD....???......... There are probably some good cops in that rat's nest, but if they expose any of the MASS corruption they will lose their job or DIE IN A "SHOOT-OUT."
Creek Dog, how about you come to my house in Iowa and call me an a**hole to my face on my property? :)
@newswinner, Are you saying that you purposely fall under the category[of making "some" of the A** hole comments] as it was a general statement and not specific to you, or are you a troll?
Stop it Newswinner this isn't a dating site.
13dev, what exactly do you want to know about the Sandy Hook shootings? My friend's daughter was one of the victims, and just because the media can't get things straight because they are all too eager to report things in a damn hurry doesn't mean there's a conspiracy.
When you're actually involved in one of these situations, there are MANY things NOT reported, some for good reason as I've learned. But hear me when I say this: this tragedy DID happen, it was NOT FAKE, school WAS in session. And if anyone thinks more guns is the answer, you need to WAKE THE HELL UP.
Condolences to this poor widow. Having a gun for protection wouldn't have saved this man in this situation, but if the shooter didn't have one, this man would still be alive.
The problem with kids and gangs shooting other people started back when the parents lost control of their kids and when fathers dropped the ball on being real fathers not just a baby maker. Kids today have no respect for others and believe that their not responseable for what they do. God help us all.
Thanks for expressing some compassion for this family, as I do. It appears from most other comments that we have become pretty jaded about violent death. Shameful, really.
No sign of an intruder? The blind wife must have targeted him by sound.
Firstly, My condolences to the family! I grew up in NYC and the last three years I lived there[1970's] I had a gun pulled on me or in the nearby vicinity 5 times, shots fired twice. Some of those were due to being young and stupid, ie. walking towards my home at 4 a.m., to catch a cab to make it cheaper, instead of staying in front of Backgammon club, and was mugged, or hearing shots down the block and asking the next guy we see, what happened down there, long story short he was the shooter, and he came back in his car with his gun to get us, again at 4 a.m.[bars close at 4 a.m.]! Others were in doing what I consider the right thing to do,ie. two women fighting, and we tried to break it up, only to have a gun pulled on us and told to mind our own business, or seeing a guy shooting at his ex-girlfriend, towards our direction, I ran him down when he ran out of shots. All these incidents happened in the 19th precinct, which is the upper east side, and one of the most affluent neighborhoods in NYC, needless to say I was able to leave NYC and still miss it at times, but am happy I do not have to live in that enviornment! After all that you would think I am anti-gun and you would be wrong! I am pro-gun and believe that we should be able to defend ourselves from actual lawbreakers, because the police were not there to protect me or anyone else! We are our own protectors unless you are able to afford armed bodyguards to protect you 24/7!
Newsvine!
That online auction troll is ruining you and irritating me! HELP!
=( I really don't know what to say. Sorry for your loss. Not to sound crass, but thank God he lived a long life before he was taken.
@Dave, comment 1.18, thank you for showing your compassion, and bringing others to the realization that someone was grieving over this incident!
Wait a minute! The media and the mayor keep telling us how murder in New York is at an all time low....how safe the city is. Apparently they're bsing us again, so I guess I'll just stay out here in the great flyover country, where we experience a murder every five years or so, and almost every home contains at least one gun for self protection.
Answer to headline question of "Why would anyone harm him?' 79-year-old shot dead in Brooklyn"
Because, we have violent people who use violence to express themselves. These creatures don't care who they hurt or how they hurt them. There are two immediate victims in this crime, the elderly man and his wife. My deepest sympathies to the wife, she is now without her husband, her ears and her eyes. It's such a tragedy just so some a-hole can build up his sagging ego. What pride he must have.
I hope they catch whoever did this and put him away forever. The whole event never needed to happen (as usual)!
You can't count out the comment by @JK comment 1.40, it is possible......as we do not have any info, like did the shot come through a window or wall! As mentioned in article:"There were no signs that someone broke into the apartment, so police are considering the possibility that Jackson was the victim of a stray bullet." I would think a "stray" bullet would be very evident and would not be CONSIDERED a possibility!
daxani I have just 1 question to ask you about that shooting. What type of person would do such a thing. We know he was from a liberal family that voted Dems. We also know that the shooters of the other mass killings were also liberals that supported Dems.
Is it really the DEMS that keep doing these shootings & why. Are they all just that selfish that they will take innocent people's lives from them for there own agenda? What is it with these people?
I feel sorry for your friend & the rest of the families that had to go through that horrible nightmare.
I do say if they did NOT have those BIG SIGNS up saying this is a gun or weapons free zone. Then maybe this POS would of went to some othre gun or weapons free zone to kill innocent people. We have NO clue either way as Adam is dead and can NOT reveil his MOTIVE.
For you to say that more guns is NOT the answer, I would have to ask it there was armed teachers that had weapons training like I recieved in the USMC, I feel there would of been LESS KIDS KILLED that horrible day.
1 of my old teachers works as a sherriff officer in is off time, I am sure he would of stoppied this kid before he killed all those kids, he was always packing even at school.
I'm starting to get real fed up with this gun debate. This debate could be handled in the mature and adult way possible but some of the stuff I see on this forum starts crossing the line of offensiveness, especially when people say that Sandy Hook was a bunch of lies.
Yes, I am conservative, yes, I support second amendment rights just as long as you do not have criminal intent(just about most second amendment supporters are against crime FYI, we are not all monsters). And yes, I vote republican but if anyone is to talk about gun control and gun rights, it needs to be very mature without having to offend.
We do not know how this man was shot. Police said stray bullet. That could be anything. Maybe a drive by shooting to where he wasn't the intended target? I don't know. Anything is possible.
Wow, that is definitely sad to read. He does not own a gun because they're banned in NYC and dies by a possible stray bullet from someone (thug) possessing a gun. You can't make up a better murder mystery than this, even if you had the best writers in Hollywood.
Again, the bad guys always have the guns but not the good guys. My question to the Napoleonic runt ruling NYC is how do you explain this you little egotistical sh!t?
Rocco,
His answer is to ban 2-liter sodas.
Ashley-69,
Read these, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RFCs , then get back to me on how the web works. Bots, servers, http, Oh my!!
A lot of your statements are well written but succumb to false logic, that's why most of your comments get collapsed. And the typing in BOLD thing is getting old. Use the options in your browser to make the font larger and stop torturing everyone else.
Are shootings happening more often these days or are we just hearing about them more due to the internet and the 24 hour news cycle? My condolences to his family and friends, and I hope they catch the coward who did this. Make no mistake a person who shoots a 79 year old man is just that, a COWARD!
Its just the media agenda 'if it bleeds it leads' paired with the mantra of 'guns are bad'.
There will not be an honest discussion about guns until the media starts reporting honestly and without bias.
Nobody in their right mind would trust the to be as forthright as it was in the 1960s.
If you notice, MSLSD, BLAHOO!, et al are publicizing every shooting except the ones where a person defends themselves successfully. The ones like that that do get attention only get it from Fox News. These guys bury it.
Goodness Ashley. That is way too logical of an argument for Newsvine lol. For Pete's sake, you cite references and even make valid suggestions to help correct the problem without insisting that guns be banned. Neither side will know what to do with that post!
The media makes the difference since Obamass and his wife UGA got in office and had to be on TV every 15 minutes it seems everyone thinks they need there 15 minutes. What is the best way to get your 15 minutes and the medias attention start shooting things up. People beat to death or killed with a knive that is not news worthy for anybody but a gun were an opinion can be voiced and our rights trampled on well that is news. Once guns are gone then freedom of speech is right behind it. What will be said then
Being old does not preclude you from being a jerk. Lots of old people are lying thieving rotten SOB's. Maybe he deserved it.--you don't know.
Ashley must be corrected: Americans use guns to protect themselves ONCE EVERY 13 SECONDS (Google Defensive Gun Use Stats). Research shows gun owners statistically more likely to be victims of gun violence than those who don't? What a brilliant piece of research that was! These same geniuses concluded that people who own motor vehicles are much more likely to be victims of motor vehicle accidents than those who don't and that people who drink are much more likely to get drunk than those who don't! But, hey, statistics are a very powerful deterrent to predatory violence; in fact, all you'll have to do the next time the local ghouls are about to rape and murder you or your family, is just whip out some stats about how bad guns are and they'll magically vanish!
No, it says Gun Owners pull their gun every 15 seconds.
Ashley posted this same thing on another story; and she has nothing right to say. Once again Ashley, It's well regulated malita, not well regulated arms!
That's a lot of pulling Grandpa, watch out, any more than that is masterbation.
Kinda the point.
@Ashley69: Your statistics are wrong, by a factor of 4. The actual number of deaths per day including officer involved shootings is 22.
Modern medicine kills 10 times as many people per day as firearms.
Grandpa, either you need some new glasses or a massive dose of EXLAX - stats say guns are USED in self defense every 13 seconds, either fired or as a threat to stop an attack, robbery or rape.
No, shootings are headline news now because the self-righteous, ignorant editors at NBC are ginning up anti-gun hysteria.
These ignoramuses apparently feel that gun deaths somehow matter more than car deaths (twice the number of firearm homicides) or alcohol-related deaths (FIVE time that of firearms homicide).
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The successful test of a US/Israeli anti-ballistic missile system isn't news to the folk at NBC.
NBC: Proving every day that the term "journalistic integrity" is an oxymoron.
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You have NO clue as to what the term "well regulated" means, like so many ignorant liberal loonies.
Refuted:
http://www.guncite.com/Kleck-Hogan.html
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Stop blaming inanimate objects for the actions of PEOPLE.
We can start by acknowledging the role of violent video games.
Then we can start to examine why these shooters are all young men between the ages of 16-26 or so.
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Here's one to consider:
Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 pop USA is #28:
Well, we can't because they aren't.
If you said "many" you'd have a point, but you betrayed your bias by saying "all".
gallahad123
Gun violence is HALF what it was just 20 years ago and the trend is continuing downwards.
Ashley-69
Let's be honest shall we Ashley?? Two thirds of those deaths are suicides and while a gun may make that easier, the lack of a gun would not prevent most of those deaths. Japan has some of the strictest gun control laws and one of the highest suicide rates. (and I'd like to see your source for that stat)
Huh??? Maybe you should actually read the Second Amendment before you make any claims regarding it because the Second doesn't say jack @!$%# about regulating firearms.
"A well regulated MILITIA, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Only the militias are to be "well regulated".
First off they DON'T not even close, second, you don't need to do any of those things to OWN a car. Those requirements only apply if you intend to use the car on public roadways. You can do whatever the hell you want with your car as long as you are using it on private property. There is no law in exsistance that would prevent anyone from purchasing and owning a car. So are you actually suggesting that guns be dealt with the same way???
Great post Backcountry. Debunking the lies and twisted stats of anti-gun trolls like Ashley is always a good cause. All of these gun hating boobs keep using the same plays right out of Bloomberg's handbook. The US doesn't even break the top 10 countries for gun violence. The common denominator for all these countries(incliding Brazil, Mexico, Nicaragua, etc.) is there draconian gun laws. There seems to be a very high correlation between strict gun control and high homicide rates both domestically and abroad. Criminals and corrupt governments always prefer the law abiding populace be unarmed.
Shootings are roughly the same frequency when you account for population growth.... the Internet now lets us know of every shooting - not just local ones. Sad that some people do not realize this.
This is from factcheck.org.:
The CDC’s most current data show there were 11,078 homicides committed with guns in 2010 — or about 30 per day. The CDC data also show gun homicides have declined each year since 2007, falling from 12,791 in 2006 to 11,078 in 2010, even as the nation’s population grows. In fact, the homicide rate in 2010 (3.6 per 100,000 people) was the lowest since at least 1981 — which is as far back as the CDC’s online database goes.
It was found in this article: factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/ which has varying perspectives on exactly what statistics are saying, but these statistics, seems to be very clear!
Should of included this paragraph from factcheck.org article mentioned in comment 2.26:
"CDC homicide data, by its definition, is supposed to include only “injuries inflicted by another person with intent to injure or kill.” But Catherine Barber, at the Harvard School of Public Health’s Injury Control Research Center, said some local coroners and medical examiners “take a more literal definition of homicide,” so some accidental shootings are included in the CDC data. Also, the CDC data, by definition, includes “justifiable homicides,” which also are not murders. Barber said the CDC’s reporting issues may overstate U.S. murder statistics by “a couple of hundred” — but its data are still “more reliable” than the FBI’s voluntary system of reporting." To all you anti-gun advocates, operating under the guise of specific events, and claiming that we are using guns more to commit murders, what do you have to refute the CDC?
Ashley - your post, though well written, holds no weight.
First let us view firearm homicide rates. So what you are telling me is that the US has a much higher firearm related death rate, than say England? Who would have guessed. Its like saying That America has a higher automobile death rate than that of an Amazon tribe ....
It would be better to compare the violent crime rate of the US vs that of other countries.
Secondly, through all of your statistics, which are futile at best, you fail to realize that we have a constitution. Automobiles are not protected under the constitution - Firearms are.
You should also read the Militia Act of 1792 and the Dick act 1901 - 1903. Its a long read - but it might help you learn more about the well regulated militia - and that of the unorganized section of the militia, which wasnt to be regulated.
garbageman-2736857
And even as more and more of those people become gun owners and more and more guns are manufactured. Clearly guns, and the prevalence of them, are not the problem.
@Backcountry, I do not see whether you are agreeing with me or didn't understand my comment! Read bottom of comment 2.27 and thought that comment 2.26 was self explanatory....apparently not. I realize I did not include your observation that was also in the article,but figured that all would figure that out. Sorry.
Steven B
Illegal Gun owners were taken into consideration in the Univ. Penn Study.
2112
Ban handguns.
Ban criminals
Given the choice, yeah 'ban criminals', solves a whole lot of problems.
Gold star to VLGil.
Ban stupidity.
Tyrone.
Who would be President if we ban stupidity?
Lee
We did. Look no Romney.
Grandpa, the low info voters and able bodied career cheese takers were duped again.
Says you. I have seen other opinions on that. Some people voted for GW twice you think that's intelligence?
Grandpa have someone change your Depends! Take your heart meds. & tune to Fox News, It may prevent you from spouting like an old fool!!
BAN takenaka ! and his anti gun 1st ammendment rights as he wants to attack our 2nd ammendment rights !!!! ,if the 2nd ammendment goes ,then all the ammendments will follow
Ban grandpa's...
Grandpa-2986035
No, but it is hardly any worse than those who voted a second time for the guy who did as much damage to our country as Bush in half the time.
Ashley-69
You should get yourself a copy of the Constitution because you seem to have no clue regarding it. The First Amendment doesn't protect a single word you say on a privately owned and operated forum and you've misquoted the Second in a post above.
takenaka (3) is just upset, his country finds him too dishonorable to be trusted with a gun.
Funny, had this poor man been able to legally defended himself (and ended up shooting the criminal) nobody would hardly hear about it one bit because it wouldn't even be on the news feed section of MSNBC because it wouldn't be "news worthy" or fit the anti-gun agenda... Condolences to his family and may the police capture the animal that did this.
Random Girl...Getting tired of pointing this out. It is not illegal in NYC for a man to own a gun. He was not unable to legally defend himself. If he didn't have a gun (and the article doesn't say that he didn't) it was his choice not to.
In NYC, to own a Shotgun or rifle for use only in your home requires a $140 application fee to the city and $91.50 fingerprinting fee. The then you have to submit the application with 4 photos of yourself and a notarized form from the firearms office. THEN you have to register every firearm with the police department.
To own a handgun requires a $340 application feel and $91.50 fingerprint fee and 4 photographs. Then you have to appear in person to convince the permitting officer that you deserve or need to have a firearm. the permitting process is so complex that many people hire an attorney to navigate the process.
It's insane. Move to a free state.
Great information, Elizabeth6.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/permits/handgun_licensing_information.shtml
Types of Licenses
PREMISES LICENSE: IS A RESTRICTED TYPE OF LICENSE. It is issued for your RESIDENCE or BUSINESS. The Licensee may possess a handgun ONLY on the premises of the address indicated on the front of the license. Licensees may also transport their handguns and ammunition in SEPARATE LOCKED CONTAINERS, DIRECTLY to and from an authorized range, or hunting location. HANDGUNS MUST BE UNLOADED while being transported.
CARRY BUSINESS LICENSE: This is an unrestricted class of license which permits the carrying of a handgun concealed on the person. It is valid for the business name, address, and handguns listed on the front of the license. It is not transferable to any other person, business, occupation, or address, without the written approval of the commanding officer, license division.
LIMITED CARRY BUSINESS LICENSE: IS A RESTRICTED TYPE OF LICENSE. The licensee may only carry handguns indicated on the license in accordance with the specific limitations listed thereon. At all other times the weapon must be safeguarded within the confines of the business address listed on the front of the license either concealed on the licensee's person in a proper holster or stored unloaded in a locked safe.
SPECIAL CARRY LICENSE: Is valid for the business name, address and handguns listed on the front of this license, only while the licensee has in his possession a valid basic county license issued according to the provisions of article 400 of the N.Y.S. Penal law. Upon the revocation, suspension, or cancellation of the basic license, the special license is rendered void and must be immediately returned to the license division.
CARRY GUARD LICENSE: (SECURITY GUARDS, ETC.) Applications for this type of license must be made with the documentation provided by a company's Gun Custodian. It is issued only for the handgun listed on the license. The handgun may be carried only while the licensee is actively engaged in employment for the company whose name appears on the license, and/or while licensee is in transit directly to or from residence and place of employment. At all other times the handgun must be stored unloaded in a locked container, at either the address on the license, or at the employee's legal residence (within the State of New York).
So Random Girl, you doin't buy the stray bullet thing, even thought it happens a lot, you don't think that could happen? You're an idiot! Stray bullets take life, too. Why do you gun-nuts try and make it about "what if he had a gun" crap, STFU!
Ashley-69
I don't see where Steve said anything about militias, which are what the Second Amendment says should be "well regulated".
and btw, I'm pretty sure that the point Steve was trying to make was that while guns may not be technically "illegal" in NYC, the hoops you have to jump through posses one place them out of the reach of most people.
Ashley, your readin comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. There is nothing in the second amendment that states that firearms are to be well regulated. The only mention of "regulated" is that the militia is to be well regulated. You can spout your well regulated means well regulated all you want but it has nothing to do with firearms under the second amendment. Actually it states that the right to firearms shall NOT be infringed, which is exactly what NYS is doing if it pushes the legal ownership out of reach of the common people.
Perhaps Ashley would like to define "Red Neck" states...I'm guessing it is any state other than New york and/or wherever she lives....
NYC has been notorious forever for allowing only the wealthy and/or famous elite to possess a concealed carry licence since it must be "approved" by a "commanding officer", i.e., a "bureauRAT". "Ordinary" citizens, i.e., non-wealthy citizens that actually DO work for a living, never get approved. Remember Bernard Goetz? A nuclear and electrical engineer living in NYC, he was mugged and robbed in the subway, suffering permanent injuries, subsequently applied for a concealed carry permit because he routinely carried valuable electronic equipment, but WAS DENIED for not having a "valid" reason. So he said, f**k it, and started carrying anyway. So when 5 punks subsequently tried to rob him on the subway, he shot 'em. NYC brought criminal charges against HIM for assault, attempted murder, carrying an unlicensed gun, and anything else they could think of, but the jury acquitted him of all charges except the illegal carry. During the period after the shooting before he voluntarily surrendered, and no one knew who the "Subway Shooter" was, THE NYC CRIME RATE DROPPED TO RECORD LOWS! Nuff said?
Ashley., 4.05,
The term "well regulated" in the 1700s meant 'well practiced', you know shooting.
So you are asking all gun owners to shoot their guns more, to be 'well practiced', OK. Done.
Right, myown, the real problem is that there are lots of guns in the U.S. but not many actually get carried for self-defense. Many buy a pistol and it ends up in a closet or drawer and never gets fired, much less practiced with for self-defense. Further, many feel encumbered packin' around a hunk of steel all day; they feel it interferes with their daily routines and activities, they're afraid it'll accidentally go off, etc. And of course, many feel attacks "will get others but not me 'cause I'm special". I was havin' a conversation with a dude and he was braggin' 'bout all the magnum pistols he owned and how he would be able to blast into oblivion any creep that attacked him, so I told him that my .25 Colt could beat anything he had. He looked at me like I was crazy and I asked him what he was carryin'? He said, "Nothing". I pulled my .25 and laid it on the table. Nuff said?
Don't kid yourself A Random Girl, it would have been all over the news. Haven't you noticed, EVERY gun story is in the news it seems. Just how awful is it, when an elderly man is struck down for now apparently reason at all. Reminds me of the story a few years back, when another man was shoot.Seemed for no good reason also. But they did catch the killer, after he shot another person, also elderly. Turns out, he shot both, simply because they would not walk fast enough so he could get to the elevator! Pathetic. Just some folks are garbage, from the lower end of the gene pool.
No.
NBC reports when guns are used to commit crimes. They very, VERY seldom publish stories when guns are used for good.
http://gunssavelives.net/
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/tx-homeowner-shoots-intruder-after-finding-him-in-living-room/
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/armed-citizen-in-tx-stops-shooting-spree-and-saves-cop-by-making-150-yard-shot-with-a-pistol/
The man didn't have a gun but was shot! Guns are illegal in NY so how the hell did this happen????? This appears the elderly are being targeted to me!
maybe it's part of Obummer Care?
He wasn't in a "No Gun Zone"
I heard the killer wanted the poor ol folks 2 liter soda stash.
someone must have been target practicing and needed a slow moving target like gramps !!!
The story said 'stray bullet' and 'no signs of a break in'. Not much chance of solving this if the victim wasn't the target.
The ignorant liberal comments are getting old. They do not have a clue and do not care about the Constitution. Hey libs, did you know your President swore to uphold and protect the Constitution? All you hear is take away the rights of gun owners. How about enforcing the laws? Ya know if they made it miserable enough in prison, maybe there would be less crime.
Hey VLGil, they still chop hands in sweet home Saudi Arabia and there's still crime. If people are desperate enough or hopped up on drugs enough, no threat of punishment will dissuade them. And, by the way, you can still get guns in NY, just have to go through more red tape. Also, the POTUS is not trying to outlaw guns, just require more effective background checks and to get rid of the mega round clips that no hunter or marksman really needs and that most NRA members agree with. It's the know nothing hotair hypocrite conservatives who keep carping about enforcing existing laws while also demanding cutting government spending to hire more cops and improve information technology. You can't have it both ways!
Actually, it is a wast of time to try and explain anything to a person who has concluded what a people is about based on their political affiliations. Education and maturity will moves you beyond that point.
Hey, Chase, for the umteenth time, the second amendment isn't about hunting or target shooting. It's about being able to defend yourself. And yes, given the chance, he would outlaw guns in the hands of private citizens but the Constititution is "unfortunately too restricitve" for what he wants to accomplish.
And NO, most NRA members are NOT in favor of a magazine capacity ban so stop lying about us.
And funny, if the current administration wasn't all about trying to restrict rights of the law abiding in an effort to gain more control, they would prosecute more of the felons who tried unsuccessfully to get firearms. But the truth (which lying liberals like you wouldn't know if it smacked you in the head) is that those prosecutions are at a 10 year low under Obama and Holder. Of course, they'd probably have to start investigations on themselves after Fast and Furious.
As far as spending cuts, why don't we cut the price supports that pay people not to grow things? Or loans to companies like Solyndra that go belly up? Or stop trying to spend TRILLIONS on making sure they get everyone on the government healthcare teat? Or how about this? Actually cut spending not just the rate of growth and calling it a cut?
And by the way, only in leftist Lalaland does the federal government hire local police.
Because after all, for you compromise always means I give up something while you give up nothing. So you can't have it both ways. Or really, ALL your way. Which is what you really want.
VLGil,
I'm liberal and a owner of both handguns and rifles (four total). I try not to be ignorant about issues, in general, but undoubtedly fail at times.
As to gun ownership I favor such, however I don't agree with every issue the NRA proposes. For instance I favor background checks at gun shows for all firearms purchases. I think the NRA sees the issue differently
Now, I agree with what some of my conservative friends have said, for one, the best way of ending gun violence is to rid the streets of vermin in the first place. But short of that, and with all the people being killed and maimed by guns, I'll take a chance on what some would call a liberal, anti-gun proposal (a background check at a gun show), but I would call a common sense measure. Of course a thug will find a way to own a gun without relying on a gun show. It's just the point of not making things any easier for the criminal element, especially when the honest citizen shouldn't be impeded by requiring background check for gun show firearms purchases.
Larry, I agree and think the NRA does also. Close the loophole at gun shows and make it the same for those that sell them at yard sales, on craigslist, ect.
What "loophole" are you talking about? The rules for selling a gun are exactly the same as for selling a gun to your brother, whether or not you are at a gun show. A private seller in each situation is not required to conduct a background check, but must have a reasonable expectation that the person he is transferring the gun to is not a felon or mentally unstable. The law they are trying to pass would prohibit a father from buying his son or daughter their first .22 rifle, or from leaving his firearms collection to his surviving son.
Did you know that only 4% of all guns used in crimes are purchased by criminals at gun shows. So much for going to the head of the problem, this is just another useless law to make it more difficult for the law abiding gun owners.
Oh, and Craigslist does not allow gun sales.
VLGil,
Sadly the NRA does NOT agree. They oppose universal background checks (although in 1999 they endorsed them) and the oppose mandatory background checks at gun shows and for private sales.
They also oppose retaining background check records to detect straw buyers and they oppose mandatory inventories and inventory reporting to detect black market sales.
In short, all of the usual law enforcement activities we use for all other dangerous commodities are opposed by the NRA. The somehow feel that the protections of search warrant which is sufficient to protect all other rights is not sufficient to protect gun owners rights.
PensacolaEd & Diogenese: That is the loophole I am talking about. BTW...I know it is illegal to sell a gun on craigslist, but it is done every day. I oppose universal background checks. It will do nothing for the criminal and whats to stop it from being published with names and addresses in the newspaper.
VLGil...Yes, that is "All you hear," take away guns. No one is trying to take away your guns. All I hear is the president trying to help people get housing, food and health insurance. You must be selecting your articles carefully.
ECF2222, please educate yourself.
NY State is indeed trying to take away people's guns, go read the new law.
Once again, your lack of knowledge of this Legislation has come back to bite you.
hate to break it to you guys, but there ARE background checks at gun shows. Actually go to one sometime.
thanks for bringing that up,most of these idiots on here haven't got a clue to what they are ranting about. They actually need to go to gun shows or gun shops and see what the rules are and forget about reading this rubbish on the internet. And as far as NY being in the lead for gun control like was posted above, Most N Y'ers couldn't use a slingshot let a lone fire a weapon(unless of course you one of the thugs) that NY is generally associated with. Been there,real s-hole!
Only a fool argues with a fool. stop wasting your breath they won't or can't listen. libs& dems are all to busy sniffing each outhers farts to care whats really going on!
What ever happened to, If you do the crime, you do the time? I prefer, an eye for an eye.
Some good vigilantes would do the trick.
VL., # 10.0,
What are you talking about !?!
Do you have any idea how much trouble you'd get into with the police unions.
How could they ever get double OT, if you knocked the stats down.
Yep, and doughnut shops would close!
Nah, the donuts shops association has that covered.
' Potus we can't shut down, see our donuts are just like your symbol. It will only cost 1.3 million per minimum wage job!'
I like the idea of giving violent cons a choice, Git'mo or Devils island. Both are lovely Caribbean locations.
Awesome choices! Siberia would also be a good choice.
Yeah, but how many guards would work there for BHOs new minimum wage.
Years ago, don't know about now a days, Siberia has an empty prison and their guards would be a lot less expensive than the ones here.
But them Ruskie guards haven't had any sensitivity training....lets sign'em up ASAP.
Got things to do. Keep up the good fight!!
This happens daily in NYC. Why is it on the web? It's on the web because this is what is happening in this country folks. The media is dictating what you learn, think, and know. There must have been no other gun violence reported in this country in time for this to get uploaded- and they were desperate. Just look at what is posted as news. Wonder why you never see a report about violence being STOPPED by the armed citizen. Unless it's a gun-toting granny, they will never report it.
I Know 1 Thing Wasn't A Law Abiding Citizen That Shot Him There Not Allowed To Own Guns.
""Why would anyone harm him?"
Because a large segment of America has become a ghetto by design, and the cause is deprivation. Force people to live in poverty and refuse to educate them, and this is the outcome. They will behave like animals. Although many other factors are involved, this is by far the most prevalent. It is up to the citizens to direct a country, and we are far too divided and preoccupies with foolishness to do that.
Someone that lives nearby who the old man might of got in the way and had words on the sidewalk with a young punk who decided that today was his day. Skateboarder, cycle bum
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Maybe the bullet was fired in New Jersey? u oh, Governor Christie's going to be getting a call from Mayor Bloomers!
Can someone say "revolution is near?"
Why do people still live there? I was raised in the city, (LA). Then I grew up and got smart.
I now live on 180 acres, with a 1/4 mile long pond. I have campfires at night and can have all the guns I want, (without ANY permits).
I'm 10 miles from a "C store", 45 miles from a "Safeway", 80 miles from a " Walmart" and 140 miles from the city. Would you believe? I can leave the city and drive all the way home, (140 miles), without ONE stop sign?
My neighbor is about 2 1/2 miles away.
It's very cheap to live in the country. My SS check is $585.00 a month. I pick up a little cash on the side to play with. I have DSL, electric, and satellite TV. I live a good life.
There are miles of miles away from the dangerous city. MOVE OUT!
Arizona Tumbleweed, good for you. Ya don't have to convince me, but plz call up my dh and explain things to him so that we may also move way way way away from NJ.
Everyone else, hope ya can see where Obama/Feinstein are taking you.
Arizona - I live on my land with a pond, orchard, garden and plenty of wild game. Have a nice water well solar set up for my electrical and a wind mill that powers many things and stores lots of electricity. Life is good. The family loves it my friends wonder how I did it all.
Plus I have another 40-acres up north and another 3000 acres in central America that produces crops year round. Land is cheap you just have to look everyone.
AZ Tumbleweed & Mari: We, too, want to leave NJ and join you! I was thinking further north, though. Montana, Idaho, Dakotas?
What state and how much is land per acre?
The SCOTUS has ruled the police have NO DUTY to protect anyone. The court said every adult is responsible to protect hhemselves and their family. Even so, the City of New York expects everyone including elderly people to physically fight off attacks. You cannot have a gun so elderly handicapped people in new York mean NOTHING to elected officials who have armed bodyguards.
How very, very sad the man was killed and is not legally allowed to own something he can defend himself with. NYC is totally blind to folks that are in the most need.
Why is it we're shot,and clubbed like a Seals instead of the criminals!
The media is running out of smoke to blow, they're down to reporting what they "think" was stray bullets. "IF" that's even what happened with all the details they reported. face it libs, guns, magazines & ammunition aren't going anywhere, laws or no laws. Maybe you should turn your attention to the real problem, the "people" committing the crimes.
@3RDWHL
It's not just the libs, there is also conservatives that think that way also. Be honest about the people who are anti-gun nuts. I know a bunch of libs who own guns and hate the anti gun crowd for their stupidity. And no, nobody is coming for your guns either.
Gee, why doesn't someone in the media ask the mayor of NYC why all the shoots are going on when guns are banned. How does NYC get by with violating the Constitution's 2nd Amendment? You don't need anyone's permission to carry a weapon in plain site. You have the right to keep and bear arms.
Why isn't the GOP screaming about impeaching the mayor? Or is that just reserved for that "uppity" guy in the White House?
Bloomburg needs to go...that's a fact. He's an idiot. The liberal people of NYC keep voting this idiot in along with the gov. Upstate NY suffers for the ignorance and stupidity of downstate...aka: NYC!!!
Again, if you read the NY Legislation closely, they will be coming for your guns.
Or they will have the right to, that is.
Sorry, this never happened! Guns are illegal in NYC!
The GUN was last seen running down 89th street!
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