scotus has a tradition of rulings that do take into account the current culture, even though theoretically that shouldn't be the case. So, to the extent that more americans of all kinds signal acceptance of gay marriage, it does have an influence on the court rulings.

I doubt it will matter much given that Kennedy is the guy who wrote the two key gay rights precedents.

And it should be noted that when the court ruled in favor of mixed-race marriage in 1967, at least 73% of the public opposed such marriages. Today the majority of the public already supports marriage equality and support is rapidly increasing, even amongst evangelicals.

Moreover most of the court is Catholic (including Kennedy), and 71% of Catholics support marriage equality.

I agree, the job of the S. Court when it comes to individual rights is to defend those rights against the tyranny of the majority opinion or the rights of the majority against the oppression of just one.

I think that the Supreme Court can't help but consider current trends. It is clear that within 20 years (or less), the vast majority of Americans will think that a ban on same-sex marriage makes as much sense as a ban on interracial marriages. If DOMA is upheld this time, it will almost be certainly be struck down or repealed within a decade or two, just as Bowers vs. Hardwick was reversed after just 17 years. The justices will have to consider whether they want to come down on the losing side of history. If I was on the Supreme Court, I'd have to ask myself if I wanted to be studied by future law students as being an advocate of homophobia.

socialism is an economic system. This has nothing to do with economics.

Hoping that people like larry understand that "more rights = more moral" will almost always leave you disappointed.

Just proves what I've said all along here...you are so hatefully biased you spout nonsense. :)

Of course, you are a christo-fascist who whines about OTHERS and gov't control while voting to restrict the rights of others. You are a hypocrite. :)

Other than phelps, i've never heard of a "reverend" with so much hate as you larry. You have created your own hell here on earth.

This just proves what I said Larry for MONTHS. Marriage is a CIVIL RIGHT that will now include gays/lesbians. Get used to it, it's going to happen.

Larry, it must be tough to realize the government will no longer enforce your Jim Crow laws or your bizarre sharia laws. Maybe you, John Boehner, and Fred Phelps can have a good cry.

Larry, if you're looking for your government to enforce morality, you're in the wrong country, and have never understood what America is about, or the values you fought for in that uniform.

Justross....lets not defame the navy...larry probably sent in a picture from last halloween.

Oh Larry !

Anyone including Republicans who even condone this kind of perversion will join the perverts in hell.

this must be yet another example of that Christian Love that i hear so much about !!

"yes i love you, but i'm condemning you and wishing you an eternity of torture.. all in the name of Love !" -- are you serious ?? ROFL !! what a twisted definition of love !

what's even more twisted ? people like Larry condone that twisted definition of love !

ready to add in some scary ? - Larry, an adult, still believes in fairies, invisible beings and any story that says you can live inside of a Whale or survive on a giant boat with two of every animal while supposedly the world is flooded.. does this make Larry extremely gullible ? possessive of a low IQ ? .. you decide ! :)

Larry, if you're looking for your government to enforce morality, you're in the wrong country, and have never understood what America is about, or the values you fought for in that uniform.

Actually it is you anti-God marxists who don't know what America is about. And as to my uniform, I wore it at the weekly chapel meetings in the service. Even in boot camp, chapel attendance was mandatory to further our sense of Christian duty as recommended by George Washington

Secondly, it's not about enforcing some moral laws, although the nation has ALWAYS enforced moral laws. It's about not accepting immorality as "normal and acceptable". What's next an annual "Adultery Week" celebration?

As noted the founders were adamant (with some few exceptions like Paine who was condemned by his peers for his ant-God views) that religious values were ESSENTIAL to liberty

"The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country." - General George Washington General Orders, July 9, 1776

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?" - George Washington's Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. -John Adams, Address to the Military, October 11, 1798

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." -John Jay, Constitutional Framer and 1st Chief Justice of the Supreme Court

"From the time of the Declaration of Independence, the American People were bound by the laws of the gospel of Jesus Christ, which they all acknowledge as the root of their conduct. We all came together to obey the word of God." - John Quincy Adams

President Harry Truman was not only proudly proclaiming his faith, but speaking prophetically in this 1950 speech.

"The fundamental basis of this nation's laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and Saint Matthew, from Isaiah and Saint Paul. I don't think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State!"--President Harry Truman February 15, 1950 Speech at the Department of Justice http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/president-truman-on-the-importance-of-morality-and-education/

"America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness, which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scriptures. Part of the destiny of Americans lies in their daily perusal of this great book of revelations. That if they would see America free and pure they will make their own spirits free and pure by this baptism of the Holy Spirit." From his famous address: "The Bible and Progress," ~ President Woodrow Wilson, May 7. 1911, Denver, Colorado.

If America is truly a "Christian nation", it's no wonder that more Americans are voting against Larry's bigoted and hate-filled Southern Baptist form of Christianity.

If I were a follower of Christ I'd run away from the GOP too.

From the treaty of Tripoli in 1797

A legal document signed by our government

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity [sic], of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility agaitst [sic] any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext, arising [sic] from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

I think an official document overules quotes from famous people.

There it is in black and white.... Not founded on the Christian religion.

I'm not a Southern Baptist nor a fundamentalist

Johnny Concerned

1. The quote is not found in the original documents. And as noted by historians

Although Article 11 has been a point of contention in popular culture disputes on the doctrine of separation of church and state as it applies to the founding principles of the United States, no academic historian has suggested the treaty provides evidence to settle that question in either direction.

Furthermore we have President John Adams own statement in a letter to Jefferson on the importance of religion to our nation

“The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and the attributes of God.” (Letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 28, 1813)

According to Frank Lambert, Professor of History at Purdue University, the assurances in Article 11 were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers." Lambert writes,

"By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers"

2. More importantly, it doesn't contradict what virtually every founder stated. We are not a theocracy.

3. You want official documents

MARYLAND SUPREME COURT, 1799: "Religion is of general and public concern, and on its support depend, in great measure, the peace and good order of government, the safety and happiness of the people. By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.

In 1828, the Connecticut Supreme Court "ruled that disbelievers in accountability to God or in an afterlife were not competent witnesses." Indeed, as late as 1939, five states and the District of Columbia excluded the testimony of those professing a disbelief in God, and, in a dozen or so additional states, the testimony of nonbelievers was subject to attack on the ground that one's credibility was impaired by irreligion or a lack of belief in a deity.

United States Congress
March 27,1854, a report from Mr. Meacham of the House Committee

"At the time of the adoption of the Constitution and the amendments, the universal sentiment was that Christianity should be encouraged, not any one sect [denomination]. Any attempt to level and discard all religion would have been viewed with universal indignation. The object was not to substitute Judaism or Mohammedanism, of infidelity [Atheism], but to prevent rivalry among the [Christian] sects to the exclusion of others.

It [Christianity] must be considered as the foundation on which the whole structure rests. Laws will not have permanence or power without the sanction of religious sentiment, -- without a firm belief that there is a Power above us that will reward our virtues and punish our vices.

In this age there can be no substitute for Christianity: that, in its general principles, is the great conservative element on which we must rely for the purity and permanence of free institutions. That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants. There is a great and very prevalent error on this subject in the opinion that those who organized this Government did not legislate on religion."

On April 25, 1789,

the Senate elected its first chaplain, Samuel Proovost, an Episcopalian bishop.45

On May 1, the House followed suit, electing Congregationalist William Linn.46

Later, on September 25, Congress passed a statute setting the salaries of various Congressional officials, including the chaplains, at $500 per year.47 As many commentators have noticed, and as the Marsh court stressed, this last act occurred only three days after Congress reached final agreement on the Bill of Rights.48

by 1789, the chaplaincies were by law established under the new Constitution, and thus our focus moves from the debates about their existence to the practicalities of their operation. Again, by statute, the House and the Senate were to elect chaplains of different denominations. From 1789 to 1809, the Senate had eight chaplains, all Episcopalian – while the House rotated through Presbyterians, Methodists and Baptists.

Both chambers of Congress are opened in prayer every day they are in session by LAW. There has NEVER been a non-Christian Congressional Chaplain.

1. The quote is not found in the original documents. And as noted by historians

http://www.nobeliefs.com/document.htm

A link to a photo copy of the original text with it in it.

Don't have to be a historian to read it.

Here a letter written by Thomas Jefferson

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.

Wall of seperation between church and state he says.

We could go back and forth with quotes etc all damn day. Bottom line, no one has any right telling anyone else how to live based on religious beliefs. Especially since not everyone adheres to each other religious beliefs.

So, Larry, you're saying that it should be a requirement that elected officials must be Christian? That's what it sounds like. Any specific flavor of Christian? Presbuterian? Methodist? Catholic? Obviously Unitarian would be right out.

Possibly your peculiar form of reconstructionist Christianity?

Larry, show me one legal document that says "Christianity" in any form is the official religion of the United States? Show me where we accept that "GOD" makes our secular laws for 300+ Million.

You cannot win a legal argument using religion, when religious beliefs do not make the secular laws.

In this country, SECULAR LAW is higher than your god's law.

Nowhere did I or the founders say that Christianity is the official religion. That would make us a theocracy.

Our govt is based upon living out Christian values as the founders noted, As DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTS WILSON, FDR, AND TRUMAN all emphasized.

Nowhere have I EVER called for religious laws.

I want the govt to stay out of marriage. The Federal Govt has NO AUTHORITY whatsoever regarding marriage and neither do the States. The States do have the authority to issue civil contracts licenses to individuals however they want to defined the composition of those license contracts. Just keep the word marriage out.

Severed Head, nowhere did I say it is a "REQUIREMENT". What John Jay and others noted is that non- Christians lack the moral integrity and character to be trusted. That is why Thomas Paine was rebuked by the Founders including by Benjamin Franklin for the atheist views he posited and was NEVER elected to public office. Only six people attended his funeral as he had been ostracized for his ridicule of Christianity

I do not believe in Reconstructionist Christianity

From John Adams in his publication "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America", concerning the origins of the federal constitution:

It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had any interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the inspiration of heaven, any more than those at work upon ships or houses, or labouring in merchandize or agriculture: it will for ever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

Funny too that the founding fathers completely forgot to mention Larry's cult or imaginary friends in our constitution and laws. In fact the only mention of religion at all in the original constitution is a negative one in Article VI.

Yes, socialism is an economic system that requires you to give most of your money to the government for them to decide how to use it, thus the connection to political topics.

we would be better off without stupid and hateful posts like yours, but sadly we have to put up with them.

I think we'd be better off without bigots. I think Iran has saved a place in their country for individuals like this. After all, they share the same beliefs.

And they are kicking the Republicans behind (no pun intended)!!!!!!!!!!

I really can't see two people of the same sex having sex and then telling the whole damn world how proud you are to do it. I can see some of you fags going up to your mother and saying. Hey Mom guess whose pecker I puffed on tonight. Call me a bigot or whatever I really don't give a rats ass.

with a mind that small, i'm shocked you could compose four complete sentences!

Pretty graphic in your descriptions there John. You must spend quite a bit of time thinking about "whose pecker you'd like to puff on".

Well I am a heterosexual and I don't go and tell the whole damn world how proud I am to have sex with a person of the opposite sex. I also would never go up to my mother and say hey mom, guess whose pecker I puffed on tonight. And guess what, homosexuals don't do any of that either. And no one gives a rats a** what you have sex with.

LOL I agree 100%. I think they may have found a way to make money on this one.

well, I think this is partially about votes..but frankly I think many republicans, all along, actually did support the idea of limited gov't, which would be consistent with not restricting the rights of consenting adult law abiding americans from having access to secular legal marriage. But attitudes have changed enough, and republicans are desperate enough, to realize if they keep pandering to those who hate gays and gay marriage, they are dooming their party.

Barry has proven you can't believe a democrat.

all politiicans have proven that you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt..or a shaker full in fact.

Barry "has proven" that we DON'T NEED government telling us what we can and cannot do in our bedrooms.

not many. I suspect that many secretly hope that scotus throws out gay marriage restrictions so they can adopt the "what can we do about it" viewpoint, and get back to more pressing issues like the debt.

That's a good question, although only two of the 75 signatories are currently in office.

I suspect a fair number of GOP politicians don't really care about this issue one way or the other, but they realize that their base is comprised of elderly conservative religious extremists who won't change their views before they die. But while those politicians are far too cowardly to do the right thing today, they're also aware that most young Republicans support marriage equality.

The republican base is too immersed into the pseudo world of religion where they believe they can do no wrong, accept jesus and still go to "heaven". Can you imagine calling it heaven with them around?

No matter how hard the Left tries they can't seem to make the Right disappear so they can realize their utopia. Keep trying to make yourselves believe the right is dying, but keep your hands over your ears.

We don't have to try Greg. The right is doing a fine job relegating themselves to the dustbin all on their own.

In fact 60% of the Mississippi GOP still opposes mixed-race marriage.

Hell Mississippi just ratified the 13th amendment. Only took them 148 years

Right, because supporting equal rights for all Americans is "selling out."

The gop was never know for its ethics....at least this breach was in the right direction.

Donna. Spoken like a TRUE Republican. Good for you.

what part of "god isn't mentioned in the constitution" don't you understand? lol.

of course, the phrase you are talking about was added to the pledge of allegience (which has no legal standing anyway) in the 1950s at the height of the communist scare.

obviously there is much you don't understand. :)

Tthe reference to God was put in by Ike. It wasn't part of the orginal pledge.

Just an FYI.

Always charming to read someone that has no clue what his constitution or country is all about.

Thanks for the laugh, liberalsarecommies.

I love uninformed republicants. Perhaps they should do their research and make 'valid' claims before posting drivel. However, amusing as always.

When the theists inserted "under god", they took away the pledge of allegiance from a segment of Americans. Now, it is no longer recited in public schools. Sad.

Yep, the Pledge of Allegiance was originally written without that "under God" bit, and was recited in that godless way for over a century. Somehow, during all that time the US didn't fall into anarchy or depravity. Then some nitwits decided to shove God in there as a defense against "godless commies", and shortly thereafter the 60's and 70's happened - hippies, free love, church attendance declining... It appears to have had the exact opposite effect from what was intended.

Christianity grew strong in the US precisely because it WASN'T propped up by the Government, it had to stand on it's own. Now some want to make this nation a Christian theocracy, which would make that religion fat and flabby. Just look at what happened to religion in countries with an official religion.

BTW, the person that wrote the original "godless" Pledge of Allegiance was a Baptist minister...

Mark- You can wake up now.

Which is exactly what it is, a contract between consenting adults sanctioned by the state.

Churches, and the like perform marriages, the state does not.

Sounds like skifri's solution when Rosa Parks wanted to sit at the front of the bus would have been to end bus service.

It also sounds like you're unaware that marriage is just a secular legal contract. Churches aren't actually involved in marriage at all - they control "holy matrimony", not marriage.

Sounds fair, but it doesn't seem like they're doing that. Because people are nuts. Without our emotions, we wouldn't have any energy to do anything. No way around it.

skrekk is right, marriage has always been a contract of sort, understanding between 2 persons. It does not belong to any religion, and predate them all.

Religion have their own rite, holy matrimony is one of them. Why should everyone abandon the tradition of marriage because some religious person want to lay claim to the word marriage and like to hate a segment of the population.

Two of the signatories are currently in the House, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Richard Hanna of New York. But I'm not surprised that so few currently sitting Republicans would sign it given how profoundly bigoted their base is.

After all, they've been running on a platform of hate and Christofascism for decades. The GOP made a very deliberate decision to attract that kind of voter.

Actually Chuck... in North Carolina, two first cousins can get married... just not two gay cousins.

Scary isn't it.

I think your question is backwards. The question is why does the Church need to be involved? The Government needs to issue the marriage license - they control and govern marriage licenses. Why should the Church have ANY say in the matter? - that's the real question. And the answer is they shouldn't. They can perform ceremonies and descriminate amongst whoever they choose - but the government should never be able to discriminate.

Republicans are indeed gay, with gay brothers, sisters and friends....they just don't admit to it.

What's sad sbstarlite is that these people didn't change their stance overnight. They always felt this way because they do indeed have gay people in their life or are gay themselves. So the tragedy here is that they were willing to put their political platforms before their true beliefs and therefore their loved ones. Makes you wonder about the true stance of those in office just trying to hold on to their jobs.

A good point mike but i would rather consider it a blemish on the integrity of the person

Completely agree.

I think Boehner has a prada bag....

Hillary appears to be a roomy bag.

Hillary appears to be the next POTUS in 2016

so what? everyone deserves rights..including you. :) You have the right to be hateful and stupid all you like! :)

Oh, so it's OK to discriminate unjustly against people if it's a small enough group?

And since it is such a small group, why are you so worried that granting them equal rights will somehow destroy the nation?

I wonder why the Barrys aren't advocating for such a small group. Oh, they are. It's that gun thing.

justross,

you haven't met Donald Price before ? well he enjoys having bedroom time with his "girlfriend" but always seems to have her gay friends barge in to witness it as well.. no matter how many times he "tries" to stop them, the gay friends always seem to barge in.. and he rather enjoys this it seems..

you should talk to him about it, i'm sure he'd love to chat more on the topic

but in concerns to his statement - Donald is worried that if homosexuals are granted those rights to marry.. then the gay friends that keep barging in on him won't be around anymore since they can go off and get married to other homosexuals and stop walking in when Donald invites them in .. err.. i mean stop barging in on Donald..

in short.. Donald won't feel special or sexy anymore :( poor guy !

justross,

No, it's not ok to discriminate on someone unjustly but it's ok to discriminate on someone based upon their choices.

That makes it that much more special and important for the "28%". Gad....i'd love to know where you get these preposterous figures.

By the way....educate your mind....being gay is not a choice.

donald: except you don't choose to be gay (or straight).

Is it ok to discriminate against your stupid posts? :)

Donald--accepting, for the sake of argument, that being gay is a choice, your saying it's ok to discriminate against someone who chooses to, say, be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or Sikh? Those are choices, too.

Phoenyx13,

I won't entertain your mindless babble because i'm sure it's a ruse. Regardless how many laws are passed to make homosexuals feel "normal" they'll never be accepted within social-constructs. #Sucks4them

oddly, a majority of americans accept gays just fine already. and every year that number increases.

#sucks2bestupid.

As this vitriol coming from (by his photo) a black person. Rights weren't handed to you my friend or are you too young to remember the gay people who stood with mlk et.al. and what your forefathers had to do in order for you to sit smugly at home as chastise another minority.

sbstarlite,

Human beings aren't born gay all the scientific research/studies has so far proved inconclusive

Inclusive - Not leading to a firm conclusion; not ending doubt or dispute: "the evidence is inconclusive".

Please take your time.

donald: the problem is that you are confused.

you claim that they make CHOICES, so kindly tell us when anyone CHOOSE to be gay..or straight? When did YOU choose to be straight? lol. Of course you didn't, you just were.

your sexuality is a complex thing, but it isn't a straightforward intellectual choice made on, say, your 13th birthday. lol.

so since it isn't a choice (and you haven't proven it is..nor can you) then you shouldn't discriminate against them..unless, of course, you are a hateful homphobic bigot. :)

But you keep spewing your nonsense, i'll keep laughing at you.

justross,

Yes, it's okay to discriminate on someone's ideologies. I'm not advocating violence against anyone but merely agreeing to disagree. Homosexuals are perverts. Do they have a right too be a pervert? That's up to their respective societies to decide.

Donald Price,

If you use the argument that scientific research is inconclusive and therefore it can't be said that gays are born that way.....

It stands to reason you can't claim that they aren't for the same reasons......DUH!

Donald...your "scientific data" is anything BUT scientific data. Did you choose to be black (if you are...and i don't mean it in any offensive way). It happens. Lucky in the black man who is a credit to his "people" as is a gay man who is proud of who he is.

vermontguy,

Yeah, homosexuals are socially-accepted with boundries/limitations. It's strange homosexuality is legal in the U.S.A. but yet most LGBT Americans still stay /hide in the closet.

"most lgbt americans are in the closet"? proof?

Donald,

I don't know how old you are but if you could remember what the sixties and seventies were like compared to now, you would see the difference between now, and a time when homosexuals were really in the closet.

Ru Pauls Drag U would never have been shown on TV back then.

vermontguy,

Let's take straight out of it because that's how you're confusing yourself. Heterosexuality is a natural means for human survival (i.e. H20, Oxygen, Food), Homosexuality is not a part of Nature's blueprint when creating a human being therefore it comes after birth aka it's artificial.

Heterosexuality is not a complex thing, it's rather simple. When you include something artificial & try to make it natural it causes confusion & chaos.

Why would someone want to be gay? The same reason someone wants to be a pedophile because they enjoy being a pervert.

Donald,

What natures blue print for brown or blue eyes for human survival?

How about height?

Those are things people are born with yet have nothing to do with survival.

You logic towards why people can't be born homosexual is flawed.

The only perversion i can see is that going on in your mind donald. No wonder you failed math..2 + 2 is not 5 !! as your hypothesis and conclusion warrant....or is that what you ENJOY?

sbstarlite,

Comparing Race to Homosexuality? Sorry, i don't see the correlation. Race is an hereditary trait passed from one generation to the next via DNA, homosexuality is not an hereditary trait.

I'm sure there were homosexuals, pedophiles, hebephilies & ephebohilies marching with MLK. It doesn't mean that because I'm a young African-Amercian I must accept or condone their perverted behavior.

What two consenting adults of the same sex do is NOT perverted nor requires your acceptance or condoning. What you believe in is fine, but that doesn't mean its the secular laws for the United States of American.

In case you missed it, we stopped discrimination between inter racial marriage. This is no different in that we are "REMOVING' discrimination based upon someone's sexual orientation.

johnny_concerned,

Given that it has been proven scientifically that homosexuality is clearly incorrect when trying to naturally procreate. Ummm....

Donald,

Homosexuality could be recessive, like other traits people have therefore it still could be natural. Rmember, you said science is inconclusive so you can't say that for sure, homosexuals are not born that way.

As a member of society....please go against your rules donald...and don't procreate. We don't need any more twisted logic in this debate and that seems to be all you offer.

I won't take my precious time but I'm sure you can go to Yahoo/Google/Bing, etc... type in "homosexuals in the closet" & you can pick from then hundrends of thousands of LGBT closet stories.

Please take your time.

johnny_concerned,

Females are sexually-attracted to short, tall, big, small, medium sized males & NATURALLY PROCREATE WITH THEM.

If you can't connect the dots then idk

sbstarlite,

donald price has already reproduced (so he claims) and is hoping his young son does the same (last i heard he was 10 and Donald has no cares in the world if his son becomes a teen father in a couple years).

gee, with great morals and values like that, i surely hope he passes them on :)

oh and Donald,

Heterosexuality is a natural means for human survival (i.e. H20, Oxygen, Food), Homosexuality is not a part of Nature's blueprint when creating a human being therefore it comes after birth aka it's artificial.

homosexuality is the natural means for human survival as well, if it weren't then we wouldn't have any homosexuals now would we ? they wouldn't be able to procreate, now would they ? yet, somehow they do.. i know quite a few homosexual parents.. i guess they defied nature somehow huh ?

somehow those darn homosexuals keep getting oxygen, food, H2O, everything they need to survive along with heterosexuals !

ItsAboutTime-3704531,

Again, it doesn't matter how many laws are passed to make homosexuals feel "normal" they'll never be accepted within social-constructs.

Donald,

Females are sexually-attracted to short, tall, big, small, medium sized males & NATURALLY PROCREATE WITH THEM.

incorrect, or are you ignorant enough to believe that no female is infertile ? plus, some females are sexually-attracted to short, tall, big, small, medium sized females :)

would you care to try again ?

somehow this little world you'd like to live in won't extend beyond the limited brain capacity you like to display for everyone.

Phoenyx13,

Homosexuality is the not a natural means for human survival. It is a human flaw, error, blemish, defect, human sexuality-imperfection.

homosexuality is the natural means for human survival as well, if it weren't then we wouldn't have any homosexuals now would we ? People make incorrect choices in life.

they wouldn't be able to procreate, now would they ? yet, somehow they do.. i know quite a few homosexual parents.. i guess they defied nature somehow huh ? They didn't defy nature because they naturally procreated with the opposites-sex then formed an artificial same-sex construct later in life.

somehow those darn homosexuals keep getting oxygen, food, H2O, everything they need to survive along with heterosexuals ! So do Pedophiles, Hebephilies & Ephebophilies.. you're point?

Donald Price

Again, it doesn't matter how many laws are passed to make homosexuals feel "normal" they'll never be accepted within social-constructs.

Wanna bet? Once gay marriage becomes legal and the bigotry and hatred against dies down, it will become even MORE accepted in the social constructs in America. Why? When slaves were freed, people said the same thing. When women got the right to vote, people said the same thing. When african americans were allowed to serve in the military and given their full civil rights, people said the same thing.

History repeats itself. :)

Homosexuality occurs in 1500 species on the planet and is "NATURAL'. It is not a human flaw. Bigotry is a human flaw, because its something that 'people' teach

P.S. I find it very ironic for a 'heterosexual male' to consistently comment on an article about gays/lesbians. Hmmmm

Females are sexually-attracted to short, tall, big, small, medium sized males & NATURALLY PROCREATE WITH THEM.

If you can't connect the dots then idk

That isn't proof that homosexuals are not born that way.

And if you can't connect the dots between dominant and recessive...idk either.

Nature produces all kinds of shapes forms and types of humans, homosexuals fit in there. Pretty simple.

Phoenyx13,

A female being sexually-attracted to a female is perverted because it's unorthodox sexual deviant behavior. I know you may WANT it to go there but HUMAN ANATOMY 101 it just doesn't go there.

Pevert - a perverted form; especially : an aberrant sexual practice or interest especially when habitual

Donald,

Homosexuality is the not a natural means for human survival.

yet somehow they keep pulling it off and survive.. care to explain ?

It is a human flaw, error, blemish, defect, human sexuality-imperfection.

actually, the human flaw, error, blemish and defect is Bigotry :)

homosexuality is the natural means for human survival as well, if it weren't then we wouldn't have any homosexuals now would we ? People make incorrect choices in life.

yes they do and you chose to display bigotry and intolerance towards homosexuals, which is quite ironic since 50 years ago YOU would have been treated the same way. isn't it odd how those who were bigoted against are now being bigoted towards others ? so yea, YOU made the incorrect choice :) besides, homosexuality is as genetic as heterosexuality, no matter how ignorantly you wish to believe otherwise :)

they wouldn't be able to procreate, now would they ? yet, somehow they do.. i know quite a few homosexual parents.. i guess they defied nature somehow huh ? They didn't defy nature because they naturally procreated with the opposites-sex then formed an artificial same-sex construct later in life.

some of them had IVF, so there was no natural procreation.. yet they still had children. an artificial same-sex construct ? oh you must be referring to the relationship.. how heterosexual families have two parents.. wait.. so do homosexual families.. that's odd.. hmmmm... oh wait you must be thinking of gender roles right !? oh yes.. i know ALL heterosexual families have those - none of them have fathers who cook, clean or do anything domestic - that's the wife's job ! and none of them have mothers who watch football, know anything about cars, fix anything around the house and take out the trash - that's the husbands job ! is that right ?? wait. ... that doesn't hold water either.. hmmmm.. care to explain this artificial thing ?

somehow those darn homosexuals keep getting oxygen, food, H2O, everything they need to survive along with heterosexuals ! So do Pedophiles, Hebephilies & Ephebophilies.. you're point?

so do heterosexuals, those who practice objectum sexuality, bisexuals and more.. your point ? we all do it ! you get lumped in there too :)

i'm sure you had a point in your drivel somewhere, but it seems to be like a dull pencil

ItsAboutTime-3704531,

Homosexuals don't really care about gay marriage. Here is an LGBT group named "Gays against gay marriage"

http://nogaymarriage.wordpress.com/

Please take your time.

Homosexuality is legal in the U.S. Miltary but yet U.S. Military LGBT members choose to stay/hide in the closet.

Homosexuality occurs in 1500 species on the planet and is "NATURAL'. If it's so natural, Why not all the species? I guess since it's "Natural" for species to kill their young if they're born retarded the it's natural for human beings to have the same natural instinct.

P.S. I'm straight no need to campaign further.

johnny_concerned

No, homosexuals don't fit in there. Again, Human beings aren't born gay all the scientific research/studies has so far proved inconclusive.

Donald,

Once again, you can't use inconclusive to say that aren't born that way either dude. You yourself provided the definition of inconclusive yet you use that definition to proclaim definitively that they aren't born that way. Can't use it both ways.

hey phoenix, glad i am not in this one!

Phoenyx13,

yet somehow they keep pulling it off and survive.. care to explain ?

People choose to make "incorrect" choices. Pedophiles, Hebephiles, Ephebophilies have survived on the planet earth just as long as homosexuals if not longer.

Homosexuality is a human flaw, error, blemish, defect, human sexuality-imperfection.

yes they do and you chose to display bigotry and intolerance towards homosexuals, which is quite ironic since 50 years ago YOU would have been treated the same way. isn't it odd how those who were bigoted against are now being bigoted towards others ? so yea, YOU made the incorrect choice :) besides, homosexuality is as genetic as heterosexuality, no matter how ignorantly you wish to believe otherwise :)

It's not ironic at all because I would have been treated unjustly due to my DNA not because of a perverted sexual choice. Homosexuality is not as genetic as heterosexuality because all the scientific research/studies has so far proved inconclusive.

inconclusive - Not leading to a firm conclusion; not ending doubt or dispute: "the evidence is inconclusive".

some of them had IVF, so there was no natural procreation.. yet they still had children. an artificial same-sex construct ? oh you must be referring to the relationship.. how heterosexual families have two parents.. wait.. so do homosexual families.. that's odd.. hmmmm... oh wait you must be thinking of gender roles right !? oh yes.. i know ALL heterosexual families have those - none of them have fathers who cook, clean or do anything domestic - that's the wife's job ! and none of them have mothers who watch football, know anything about cars, fix anything around the house and take out the trash - that's the husbands job ! is that right ?? wait. ... that doesn't hold water either.. hmmmm.. care to explain this artificial thing?

Sure, Drag Queens aren't real females they're female IMPERSONATORS aka artificial.

impersonator- is someone who imitates or copies the behavior or actions of another

Transvesties aren't real females aka artificial, Transexuals aren't real females aka artificial.

Gay men aren't real females aka artificial. Females aren't real men aka artificial no matter how much they try to pretend to be the opposite-sex.

Is it clicking yet?

Donald,

yet somehow they keep pulling it off and survive.. care to explain ?

People choose to make "incorrect" choices. Pedophiles, Hebephiles, Ephebophilies have survived on the planet earth just as long as homosexuals if not longer.

Homosexuality is a human flaw, error, blemish, defect, human sexuality-imperfection.

i guess you missed my previous post ? let me rephrase it again for you :)

actually, the human flaw, error, blemish and defect is Bigotry :)

and with all those "incorrect" choices, they somehow manage to survive huh ? you'd think that logically (ok, i will stop.. we've established you don't think logically... oh why not continue.. its slow at work today) ... you'd think logically that if it was truly incorrect - it'd lead to diminishing of that particular thing. and yet somehow they all survive and all keep surviving.. care to explain ?

It's not ironic at all because I would have been treated unjustly due to my DNA not because of a perverted sexual choice. Homosexuality is not as genetic as heterosexuality because all the scientific research/studies has so far proved inconclusive.

inconclusive - Not leading to a firm conclusion; not ending doubt or dispute: "the evidence is inconclusive".

ROFL !! i love how you choose to have things both ways.. you choose to state that homosexuality is not genetic because studies are inconclusive.. which in itself is a contradiction. if you'd like to go that route, you can't claim homosexuality isn't genetic.. its inconclusive either way :) there's no firm conclusion to it being a choice or genetics and its not ending doubt and dispute !

care to try again ? i'm pretty sure you just failed again :)

Sure, Drag Queens aren't real females they're female IMPERSONATORS aka artificial.

impersonator- is someone who imitates or copies the behavior or actions of another

Transvesties aren't real females aka artificial, Transexuals aren't real females aka artificial.

Gay men aren't real females aka artificial. Females aren't real men aka artificial no matter how much they try to pretend to be the opposite-sex.

Is it clicking yet?

ooOooOooOohh !! good point ! i will go tell my homosexual friends immediately. See, when i go visit the lesbians they are both dressed like females for some reason and don't act like males... its odd.. they somehow know they are female and are sexually attracted to females.. how weird is that ?? and when i go visit my homosexual male friends, they both dress and act like males.. isn't that weird too ?? i always thought this was weird because bigots keep telling me that the boys are supposed to act like girls and vice versa, but i've known them for years and they don't do that.. its so odd... i don't know any drag queens, i leave that up to you Donald.. i'm sure the Drag Queen you are dating.. err.. your "girlfriend" knows quite a lot about that subject :)

so you fail, you try to blanket them and fail :) not all homosexual males act/dress or desire to be females and not all lesbians act/dress or desire to be males :)

its just like you don't act/dress or desire to be a good father by allowing your 10 year old to be sexually active :)

is it clicking yet ?

sdbolt,

you aren't in this one because you are a responsible parent and have an open view. you don't happen to be displaying ignorance or intolerance towards other people due to their DNA unlike Donald who loves to discriminate against others for their DNA when he would have been in the same boat 50 years ago and crying about it to his mommy and daddy :)

Donald Price

Laughing and shaking my head. I don't care if you show me any group that's gay/lesbian or straight that does or doesn't support gay marriage. We do NOT VOTE on civil rights in this country, and that's exactly what this is.

P.S. don't like a gay marriage, simple. don't get in one.

thanks phoenix, i learned my lesson! asked a lot of question though

actually, the human flaw, error, blemish and defect is Bigotry :

Homosexuality is a human flaw, error, blemish, defect, human sexuality-imperfection.

and with all those "incorrect" choices, they somehow manage to survive huh ? you'd think that logically (ok, i will stop.. we've established you don't think logically... oh why not continue.. its slow at work today) ... you'd think logically that if it was truly incorrect - it'd lead to diminishing of that particular thing. and yet somehow they all survive and all keep surviving.. care to explain?

The search for a gene associated with homosexuality has not shown any reproducible findings. Studies of twins did not prove to support the idea of a genetic component to homosexuality. The contribution of genetics to this behavior appears to be minimal.

ROFL !! i love how you choose to have things both ways.. you choose to state that homosexuality is not genetic because studies are inconclusive.. which in itself is a contradiction. if you'd like to go that route, you can't claim homosexuality isn't genetic.. its inconclusive either way :) there's no firm conclusion to it being a choice or genetics and its not ending doubt and dispute !

Well given that in history human beings have completely changed from being homosexual to heterosexuality with no further same-sex desires & some homosexuals themselves admitting they chose homosexuality & there being no gay gene in the human genome & ughhh i think you get the point.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/us/california-gay-therapy

ooOooOooOohh !! good point ! i will go tell my homosexual friends immediately. See, when i go visit the lesbians they are both dressed like females for some reason and don't act like males... its odd.. they somehow know they are female and are sexually attracted to females.. how weird is that ?? and when i go visit my homosexual male friends, they both dress and act like males.. isn't that weird too ?? i always thought this was weird because bigots keep telling me that the boys are supposed to act like girls and vice versa, but i've known them for years and they don't do that.. its so odd... i don't know any drag queens, i leave that up to you Donald.. i'm sure the Drag Queen you are dating.. err.. your "girlfriend" knows quite a lot about that subject :)

2 females sexually attracted to the same-sex. That's very weird because a female was created for a male. Human Anatomy 101

Weird - bizarre, strange, unearthly or uncanny

Please take your time.

ItsAboutTime-3704531,

Well it's kinda strange that I see no heterosexuals against heterosexual marriage groups but I do see gays against gay marriage groups.., WOW LMFAO!!

Again, it doesn't matter how many laws are passed to make homosexuals feel "normal" they'll never be accepted within social-constructs.

P.S. all dressed up & no one to dance with SMH

Donald, Oh wise one, please do run out and get a copy of Websters. Inconclusive and inclusive are two different words with two very different meanings. LOL You even put it in bold. LMAO You highlighted your own ignorance.

Donald Price

sbstarlite,

Human beings aren't born gay all the scientific research/studies has so far proved inconclusive

Inclusive - Not leading to a firm conclusion; not ending doubt or dispute: "the evidence is inconclusive".

Shellie-657180,

Let's not play the pretentious headgames we're all adults here(i think).

Inconclusive - Not leading to a firm conclusion; not ending doubt or dispute: "the evidence is inconclusive"

Interesting you zeroed in on inclusive when doing your online look-up of the word you were trying to use. Are you feeling the need to be included? It's ok Donald, you can come out of the closet.

Shellie-657180,

I'm straight no need for me to campaign or flaunt my sexuality.

Donald,

oh you crack me up :)

if you choose to be willfully ignorant on the first statement, i shall let you be that way, that is your right :)

The search for a gene associated with homosexuality has not shown any reproducible findings. Studies of twins did not prove to support the idea of a genetic component to homosexuality. The contribution of genetics to this behavior appears to be minimal.

oh gee.. well then do me a favor - point out the heterosexual gene for me please :) and also find a way to discredit epigenetics .. oh and this interesting article i found:

www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene

thanks ! :)

and with your article.. i LOVE how you missed these wonderful paragraphs :)

The American Psychiatric Association -- which is the world's largest of its kind, with more than 36,000 members -- has determined that sexual orientation change efforts, as the complaint calls the controversial therapy, pose a great risk, including increasing the likelihood or severity of depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior for those undergoing therapy. Therapists' alignment with societal prejudices against homosexuality may reinforce self-hatred already felt by patients, the association says.

Earlier this year, psychiatrist Robert L. Spitzer apologized for his 2003 study of reparative therapy in which he suggested that the practice could help gays and lesbians become straight. He said the study was deeply flawed.

"I believe I owe the gay community an apology for my study making unproven claims of the efficacy of reparative therapy," Spitzer said in a letter to the editor of the Archives of Sexual Behavior. "I also apologize to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy because they believed that I had proven that reparative therapy works with some 'highly motivated' individuals."

now, explain that :) so far, your article is just on somebody's word that they are no longer homosexual, there is no concrete proof for it.. unless you happen to be following him around with a camera and videotaping his life ?

wanna try again ?? you crack me up !!! ROFL !!!!

2 females sexually attracted to the same-sex. That's very weird because a female was created for a male. Human Anatomy 101

its not "weird" to them :) and using "weird" is a bad move, that is subjected to personal interpretation of what the person defines as "strange" etc.. so want to try again ?

oh Donald, you certainly are persistent :) i will give you credit for that :) and you provide much amusement for my workday ! :)

Phoenyx13,

gee.. well then do me a favor - point out the heterosexual gene for me please :) and also find a way to discredit epigenetics .. oh and this interesting article i found:

Heterosexual gene lol umm the gay gene hoax was created by gay activist who felt they were somehow born to commit unorthodox perverted sexual acts. I know, I know in 2013 it sounds ridiculous to fathom a gay gene existing in the human body LMFAO.. Please take a human anatomy 101 class somewhere after birth you twisted logic into perverted logic.

Epigenetics concerning homosexuality is inconclusive. A theory just like the gay gene theory that was debunked.

The American Psychiatric Association -- which is the world's largest of its kind, with more than 36,000 members -- has determined that sexual orientation change efforts, as the complaint calls the controversial therapy, pose a great risk, including increasing the likelihood or severity of depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior for those undergoing therapy. Therapists' alignment with societal prejudices against homosexuality may reinforce self-hatred already felt by patients, the association says.

Earlier this year, psychiatrist Robert L. Spitzer apologized for his 2003 study of reparative therapy in which he suggested that the practice could help gays and lesbians become straight. He said the study was deeply flawed.

"I believe I owe the gay community an apology for my study making unproven claims of the efficacy of reparative therapy," Spitzer said in a letter to the editor of the Archives of Sexual Behavior. "I also apologize to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy because they believed that I had proven that reparative therapy works with some 'highly motivated' individuals."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-president-of-apa-says-organization-controlled-by-gay-rights-movement/

June 6, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), who also introduced the motion to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness in 1975, says that the APA has been taken over by "ultraliberals" beholden to the "gay rights movement," who refuse to allow an open debate on reparative therapy for homosexuality.

As to the exact causes of homosexuality, the medical jury is still out. But the baseless claim, promoted by [Australian] Justice Michael Kirby and others, that gays are just born that way, is given no support by the American Psychiatric Association. Their Fact Sheet on Sexual Orientation (2000) sums it up: "There are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality"...

Alfred Kinsey researcher used biased research and falsified data to promote a personal agenda.

its not "weird" to them :) and using "weird" is a bad move, that is subjected to personal interpretation of what the person defines as "strange" etc.. so want to try again

Given that homosexuality occurs in less than 4% of the population it's defintely weird human sexual behavior.

Donald Price

Yawn... I know a lot of groups that do not want marriage for heterosexuals :).

P.S. Laugh and think all you want... it will not stop gay marriage from becoming legal in the entire US. The biggest fallacy of all of this, is you cannot present 1 legal reason why gays are not entitled to gay marriage. Take a basic course in American Government

ItsAboutTime-3704531,

I'm LMFAO because these same-sex marriages mean nothing in retrospect. About 0.28% out of the whopping 3-4% of the LGBT community will wed. Hardly, a formidably factor!!

1 legal reason why gays are not entitled to gay marriage is because the legal citizens in their respective U.S States voted to constitutionally ban same-sex marriages. Please don't try to compare race to homosexuality. Thanks.

This is your American Government crash course.

Donald, you are the best advocate for gay marriage, your satirical portrayal of a mindless and hate-filled ranting foaming at the mouth anti-gay marriage advocate is superb.

I applaud you !

Plus the way you always evade the reply peoples post to your previous posts and deflecting the points is amazing. You my friend are ripe for a political appointment.

Donald, those same sex marriage mean everything to those involved in them.

We do not VOTE on civil rights in this country. Do you remember (assuming you have any history education) when people once said "OWNING slaves was legal, because our constitution did NOT ban it". Guess how that turned out with the 13th Amendment. The only way your 'comment' would make any legal sense is if there was a CONSTITUTIONAL Amendment to start out with.. Oh but, there isn't one :)

I think you FAILED American Government, because if you had any real education, you would follow the FEDERAL APPEALS court that STRUCK DOMA down as unconstitutional. The US Supreme Court will make this legal in the entire United States, and there is nothing you can do about it.

P.S. Make sure you come back in June, when this is legal. Will be happy to serve you yankee CROW

Donald,

Heterosexual gene lol umm the gay gene hoax was created by gay activist who felt they were somehow born to commit unorthodox perverted sexual acts. I know, I know in 2013 it sounds ridiculous to fathom a gay gene existing in the human body LMFAO.. Please take a human anatomy 101 class somewhere after birth you twisted logic into perverted logic.

Epigenetics concerning homosexuality is inconclusive. A theory just like the gay gene theory that was debunked.

congrats :) you deflected ! now, be a good boy and point out the heterosexual gene for me :) you seem to be an expert on the matter - so point out the heterosexual gene

epigenetics hasn't been debunked - good try tho :) see, if you follow science at all (instead of making it up) you'd realize that sexual orientation is rather complex. regardless, we now have found genetic markers that point to your sexual orientation and as in the other article - 3 specific chromosomes that make up your sexual orientation as well. see ? all this science and you still say its a choice. you still believe its a choice even tho scientists state that they have scratched the surface and discovered its genetic.

i guess that means that now you are flat out lieing and misleading people when you state its a choice since you know otherwise.

June 6, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), who also introduced the motion to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness in 1975, says that the APA has been taken over by "ultraliberals" beholden to the "gay rights movement," who refuse to allow an open debate on reparative therapy for homosexuality.

As to the exact causes of homosexuality, the medical jury is still out. But the baseless claim, promoted by [Australian] Justice Michael Kirby and others, that gays are just born that way, is given no support by the American Psychiatric Association. Their Fact Sheet on Sexual Orientation (2000) sums it up: "There are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality"...

ah yes, lifesitenews.. they are a religious site :) they try to uphold judeo-christian principles (you should really do some research). this site wouldn't be found credible since they are religiously slanted. i don't know how many times we have to tell you Donald, you have to use credible-non biased sites/proof when you are proving your points. you keep failing at this which tells me you have none. you have nothing but anti-homosexual propaganda to fall back on, nothing credible.

at this point Donald, you lose the debate, unless you can redeem yourself

other than that, the fact sheet is 13 years old - you can't even provide anything that is even remotely current LOL you are a sad, sad person indeed but you provide much amusement :) thank you for that :)

Given that homosexuality occurs in less than 4% of the population it's defintely weird human sexual behavior.

yes a small group, like the % of Asians in the United States - a small group so we should tell them they are weird as humans as well - oh and we should deny them rights too. is that right Donald ?

we should definitely just give rights to anyone we feel is normal, right ? so we shouldn't have even had the civil rights movement for black people about 50 years ago because the viewpoint in society at that time was that they weren't normal, they were to be treated as 2nd class citizens as well. i guess if we had that line of thinking - you'd definitely be mowing someone's lawn and owned as a slave still :)

good thing they all fought for rights back then, huh ?

ItsAboutTime-3704531,

Again, gays don't care about marriage. Like 0.28% of the LGBT community will get married to the same-sex. Didn't you read the "gays against gay marriage" groups article I posted?

Homosexuals themselves claim same-sex relationships typically last less than 18 months and/or they have to include a third-party sexually at some point to make it work. Now I guess if you wanna call a 3 -way a marriage then hey that's your construct but I thought marriage meant a vow to be commited to your partner for life.

P.S. In June, I don't care if the US supreme court legalizes same-sex marriage because only 0.28% of the same-sex will get married. Hardly, a formidable factor.

Phoenyx13,

congrats :) you deflected ! now, be a good boy and point out the heterosexual gene for me :) you seem to be an expert on the matter - so point out the heterosexual gene

I never said there was a heterosexual gene that's your words. Science isn't concerned about what makes human beings heterosexual that's pretty obvious but if you don't know it's to naturally procreate. However, Science would like to know what makes human beings gay & so far EVERYTHING from research to theories has come back inconclusive. Nice try though, trying to confuse me with a question that has no merit. Please take Human Anatomy 101 it will tell you what & why sexual reproductive organs are created.

epigenetics hasn't been debunked - good try tho :) see, if you follow science at all (instead of making it up) you'd realize that sexual orientation is rather complex. regardless, we now have found genetic markers that point to your sexual orientation and as in the other article - 3 specific chromosomes that make up your sexual orientation as well. see ? all this science and you still say its a choice. you still believe its a choice even tho scientists state that they have scratched the surface and discovered its genetic.

i guess that means that now you are flat out lieing and misleading people when you state its a choice since you know otherwise.

I've never stated epigenetics was inconclusive, I stated epigenetics concerning homosexuality is inconlusive. I guess you're hearing what you wanna hear to push your agenda.

ah yes, lifesitenews.. they are a religious site :) they try to uphold judeo-christian principles (you should really do some research). this site wouldn't be found credible since they are religiously slanted. i don't know how many times we have to tell you Donald, you have to use credible-non biased sites/proof when you are proving your points. you keep failing at this which tells me you have none. you have nothing but anti-homosexual propaganda to fall back on, nothing credible.

at this point Donald, you lose the debate, unless you can redeem yourself

other than that, the fact sheet is 13 years old - you can't even provide anything that is even remotely current LOL you are a sad, sad person indeed but you provide much amusement :) thank you for that :)

Ok, it still doesn't change the FACT that.... A former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), who also introduced the motion to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness in 1975, says that the APA has been taken over by "ultraliberals" beholden to the "gay rights movement," who refuse to allow an open debate on reparative therapy for homosexuality.

Here is the youtube link see for yourself.... http://youtu.be/BPgq1c4TYi4

He clearly states no unbiased research was done by the APA on homosexuality LMFAO!!!

yes a small group, like the % of Asians in the United States - a small group so we should tell them they are weird as humans as well - oh and we should deny them rights too. is that right Donald ?

Again, Race & Homosexuality are not compareable. Race is an heredity trait passed through generations DNA, Homosexuality is not an heredity trait.

As i stated previously it doesn't matter how many laws are passed to make homosexuals feel "normal" they'll never be accepted within social-constructs.

Donald,

I never said there was a heterosexual gene that's your words. Science isn't concerned about what makes human beings heterosexual that's pretty obvious but if you don't know it's to naturally procreate. However, Science would like to know what makes human beings gay & so far EVERYTHING from research to theories has come back inconclusive. Nice try though, trying to confuse me with a question that has no merit. Please take Human Anatomy 101 it will tell you what & why sexual reproductive organs are created.

i know and its a silly argument and silly logic to think there is a homosexual but no heterosexual gene. of course bringing this fact up will upset people like you who happen to think there has to be a homosexual gene and no heterosexual gene - further perpetuating your complex of having to feel superior to homosexuals. you can't claim one without the other. the reason why they are looking for a "gene" period - is to figure out what actually causes sexual orientation and they've discovered its not a choice. you can't choose what gender you are attracted to. unless you are willing to admit when you chose to be heterosexual and are daily fighting your homosexual urges ? so yes, the question most definitely has merit and you deflected it once again and refused to answer it :) nice try tho. so either answer the question or remain quiet :)

sexual reproductive organs are still present on homosexuals and can still be used for procreation, that's not an issue. we also use sexual reproductive organs for pleasure as well with the gender that we are attracted to. reproducing has no merit in terms of marriage, so try again :)

I've never stated epigenetics was inconclusive, I stated epigenetics concerning homosexuality is inconlusive. I guess you're hearing what you wanna hear to push your agenda.

and again, you certainly love circles, it's probably the only way you feel you can win a debate. sexual orientation itself is being discovered and there is proof your sexual orientation is genetic. homosexuality is a sexual orientation. epigenetics is one of the ways they've discovered your sexual orientation is genetic - this includes heterosexuality as well. it applies to both and you just can't pick and choose which one you'd like to believe, sorry for your luck

Ok, it still doesn't change the FACT that.... A former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), who also introduced the motion to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness in 1975, says that the APA has been taken over by "ultraliberals" beholden to the "gay rights movement," who refuse to allow an open debate on reparative therapy for homosexuality.

Here is the youtube link see for yourself....

He clearly states no unbiased research was done by the APA on homosexuality LMFAO!!!

unless you can give me facts and evidence to support it - its simply someone's word against another. and you should know by now - that won't cut it. that'd be like me saying "all heterosexuals named Donald Price have sex with spaghetti on Tuesday nights" and posting a youtube video of it. does that make it true ? would you believe it then ? keep trying tho :) you are just desperately clinging to any "evidence" you can find to support your viewpoints and are failing miserably at it.

Again, Race & Homosexuality are not compareable. Race is an heredity trait passed through generations DNA, Homosexuality is not an heredity trait.

they sure are compatible. research some scary science sometime - your sexual orientation is determined thru your genetics, just like your race :) sorry for your luck :) now, how is being a slave working out for you ? oh you aren't ? oh we had that civil rights movement like 50 years ago so you wouldn't have to be a slave today, how nice of society to do that. and now you are trying to feel superior and give unequal treatment to another group of people in society, that's a bit ironic and i'm sure your ancestors would not be proud.

As i stated previously it doesn't matter how many laws are passed to make homosexuals feel "normal" they'll never be accepted within social-constructs.

lucky for homosexuals - they aren't looking for your approval. and lucky for homosexuals - the majority of citizens already accept them within social-constructs. i'm sorry your world is falling apart all around you, thankfully people like you are fading fast :)

Phoenyx13,

i know and its a silly argument and silly logic to think there is a homosexual but no heterosexual gene. of course bringing this fact up will upset people like you who happen to think there has to be a homosexual gene and no heterosexual gene - further perpetuating your complex of having to feel superior to homosexuals. you can't claim one without the other. the reason why they are looking for a "gene" period - is to figure out what actually causes sexual orientation and they've discovered its not a choice. you can't choose what gender you are attracted to. unless you are willing to admit when you chose to be heterosexual and are daily fighting your homosexual urges ? so yes, the question most definitely has merit and you deflected it once again and refused to answer it :) nice try tho. so either answer the question or remain quiet :)

Again, the gay gene hoax was created by gay activist who felt they were somehow born to commit unorthodox perverted sexual acts. I know, I know in 2013 it sounds ridiculous to fathom a gay gene existing in the human body LMFAO.. After the entire human genome was mapped and no gay gene was found it certainly dealt a death-blow to the idea that human beings are born gay. Now, they're reaching to epigenetics to somehow explain homosexuality, this is like the 8th gay theory LMFAO!!

and again, you certainly love circles, it's probably the only way you feel you can win a debate. sexual orientation itself is being discovered and there is proof your sexual orientation is genetic. homosexuality is a sexual orientation. epigenetics is one of the ways they've discovered your sexual orientation is genetic - this includes heterosexuality as well. it applies to both and you just can't pick and choose which one you'd like to believe, sorry for your luck

Again, epigenetics concerning homosexuality is inconclusive. Sexual orientation is a man-made construct. Pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life, but now, many experts view it as a deep-rooted predisposition that does not change. Many experts believe Pedophilia is a sexual orientation.. .

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/01/many-experts-now-view-pedophilia-as-a-sexual-orientation-google-hangout.html

http://youtu.be/8KN0MkiGZvY

Given that throughout history human beings have changed their "sexual orientation" from being homosexual too being heterosexual without ever having same-sex desires & some gays themselves claim homosexuality is a choice this shows that "sexual orientation" can be changed so homosexuality is not a deep-rooted predisposition that does not change.

unless you can give me facts and evidence to support it - its simply someone's word against another. and you should know by now - that won't cut it. that'd be like me saying "all heterosexuals named Donald Price have sex with spaghetti on Tuesday nights" and posting a youtube video of it. does that make it true ? would you believe it then ? keep trying tho :) you are just desperately clinging to any "evidence" you can find to support your viewpoints and are failing miserably at it.

No,

A former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), who also introduced the motion to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness in 1975, says that the APA has been taken over by "ultraliberals" beholden to the "gay rights movement," who refuse to allow an open debate on reparative therapy for homosexuality.

Here is the youtube link see for yourself.... http://youtu.be/BPgq1c4TYi4

You refuted the lifenews.com report because you proclaimed it was biased, now you won't accept the facts from the former President of the very organization(APA) whom you cited as a credible source. He helped remove homosexuality from the mental illness in 1975.

Please take your time.

they sure are compatible. research some scary science sometime - your sexual orientation is determined thru your genetics, just like your race :) sorry for your luck :) now, how is being a slave working out for you ? oh you aren't ? oh we had that civil rights movement like 50 years ago so you wouldn't have to be a slave today, how nice of society to do that. and now you are trying to feel superior and give unequal treatment to another group of people in society, that's a bit ironic and i'm sure your ancestors would not be proud.

Homosexuality is NOT determined thru genetics just like race because all scientific research/theories concerning human beings being born gay have come back inconclusive. However, it has been scientifically proven that race is passed through generations DNA aka heredity trait.

lucky for homosexuals - they aren't looking for your approval. and lucky for homosexuals - the majority of citizens already accept them within social-constructs. i'm sorry your world is falling apart all around you, thankfully people like you are fading fast :)

Sure, homosexuals are looking for approval within social-constructs. There's a reason gays choose to hide their perversion when it's legal, There's a reason most gays prefer their same-sex partner to be straighter acting vs. acting gay, There's a reason gays try to impersonate the opposite-sex, There's a reason gays choose to avoid telling their partners they're having sexual relations with the same-sex, There is a reason gays seek reparative therapy, etc...

As the saying goes the more things change the more they stay the same. #suck2bethem

Donald,

LOL ! you are very amusing, to say the very least. what is scary is that you reproduced, hopefully your children will be smarter than you are showing yourself to be :)

Again, the gay gene hoax was created by gay activist who felt they were somehow born to commit unorthodox perverted sexual acts. I know, I know in 2013 it sounds ridiculous to fathom a gay gene existing in the human body LMFAO.. After the entire human genome was mapped and no gay gene was found it certainly dealt a death-blow to the idea that human beings are born gay. Now, they're reaching to epigenetics to somehow explain homosexuality, this is like the 8th gay theory LMFAO!!

i know, i know, in 2013 its ridiculous for people like you to reject science and the idea of it is hilarious LMFAO !!! the entire human genome was mapped, with no gay gene or straight gene.. definitely was a death-blow to all of you people who say that homosexuality is a choice but heterosexuality isn't.. you can't prove it !! i know, i know, its 2013 and you can't accept facts !! LMFAO !!! what's even better ? -- you obviously don't know how science works ! LOL science is constantly evolving and doesn't give up on finding the solutions either, which is why epigenetics is on the table along with the studies of chromosomes 7,8,9,10. (i guess you missed that article too huh ? well go back and research it.. please - take your time :) ) as much as you would love to claim homosexuality is a choice - you dodge and deflect the following:

1. explain where the straight gene is ? if heterosexuality is mapped by nature as you suggest - please point out the genes for heterosexuality

2. explain when you chose to be straight ? if you suggest that homosexuality (a sexual orientation like heterosexuality) is a choice, then tell us when you chose to be straight ? do you fight homosexual urges daily with your choice to be heterosexual ?

try as you might, you still deflect and dodge !! LMFAO :) please, take your time in answering these questions :)

No,

A former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), who also introduced the motion to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness in 1975, says that the APA has been taken over by "ultraliberals" beholden to the "gay rights movement," who refuse to allow an open debate on reparative therapy for homosexuality.

Here is the youtube link see for yourself....

You refuted the lifenews.com report because you proclaimed it was biased, now you won't accept the facts from the former President of the very organization(APA) whom you cited as a credible source. He helped remove homosexuality from the mental illness in 1975.

Please take your time.

again, you aren't listening or paying attention. this is just his word against everyone else's. the organization is credible (yes) but is he ? no. he ISN'T the organization (or do you not know the difference between a person and an organization ? would you like to be schooled ?). he is just stating his word on the matter, but that's all it is - his word. there's no evidence or proof, can you provide any ? i didn't think so. *yawn* you are starting to bore me here Donald.. try again.. but please take your time, you are definitely rushing things in a effort to fight back against me and are failing miserably in the process :)

Homosexuality is NOT determined thru genetics just like race because all scientific research/theories concerning human beings being born gay have come back inconclusive. However, it has been scientifically proven that race is passed through generations DNA aka heredity trait.

sure is, or epigenetics and those chromosomes research would have agreed with you and sadly for you -- they didn't ! LMFAO !!!! oh my Donald.. i could never live near you - i'd be laughing at you all the time and you'd probably commit suicide over your low self-esteem ! i'm sorry, i just can't help it ! ROFLMFAO !!!

Sure, homosexuals are looking for approval within social-constructs. There's a reason gays choose to hide their perversion when it's legal,

that's due to religious people and others who are intolerant and rather physical about it. also due to intolerant people raising their children to be that way. but that's only in limited areas of the United States. Places like NYC have openly gay people holding hands on the street.. so are they looking for approval ? or do they have it already ?? or does it not matter ?? see, you love to blanket things all one way or the other and its just simply not the way it is.. i would have figured your low IQ self could have at least caught on to that. its like having a blanket stating all black guys are worthless baby daddies and living in the ghetto. does that include you Donald ?? its a blanket statement.. it must be true.. and i can provide a whole list of "There's a reason" just like you did :)

There's a reason most gays prefer their same-sex partner to be straighter acting vs. acting gay,

you must know a very limited selection of gay people .. or none at all... i know some gay guys who are very straight acting and prefer very gay acting partners.. and vice versa.. see ? another blanket statement by you that's simply not true.. try leaving your house sometime instead of being cooped up with the same 3 gay guys who you constantly invite into your room for sex.. errr.. i mean they just "barge on in" while you are having sex..

There's a reason gays try to impersonate the opposite-sex,

you do realize there are heterosexuals who do the same ?? or are you truly that ignorant ?? are you really that dumb ???? LMFAO !!! you really ARE that dumb aren't you !? you didn't know there are heterosexuals who impersonate the opposite-sex ?? omg.. get an actual life !

There's a reason gays choose to avoid telling their partners they're having sexual relations with the same-sex,

that's just plain old cheating.. like you are doing to your "girlfriend" when you invite your gay friends to come into your bedroom :) heterosexuals and homosexuals alike do that, its not exclusive to one or the other. if you are so upset over that - i'd suggest you look at heterosexuals first.

There is a reason gays seek reparative therapy, etc...

sure, shamed into it by people like you in society who are very loud and even convincing until normal people think about it for 5 mins and realize people like you have low IQs and no concept of the real world :)

As the saying goes the more things change the more they stay the same. #suck2bethem

yes, that goes for people like you who display bigotry and intolerance.. you will never learn #suck2beDonaldPrice

Phoenyx13,

I'm straight no need to campaign my sexuality. Why are you so concerned about what happens in my bedroom? Oh you must be one of those perverted stereo-typical homosexuals.

I guess you're one of THEM who refuses to allow an open debate on reparative therapy for homosexuality because............ it will finally lead to the truth LMAO. It will show perfect examples of homosexuals being successfully converted from homosexuality to heterosexuality with no further same-sex desires. Them even maintaining healthy heterosexual lives with biological children.

Anymore propaganda you wanna spew?

Donald,

I'm straight no need to campaign my sexuality.

ahhh.. the perfect deflection :) the best way to still feel superior to homosexuals - i'm heterosexual, so i have no need, i have no civil rights denied to me so i'm already superior - is that right ? LMFAO !!!

Why are you so concerned about what happens in my bedroom?

LOL ! you think i care ? oh that's rich ! i love it ! i personally could care less what you do in your bedroom, its really your business, just like its a homosexuals business what they do in their bedroom. what people do in their bedroom has no effect on anything else - including marriage. but for some reason - people like you love to pinpoint on that exact topic, what homosexuals do in their bedroom. why else would you deny their rights ? you think they are sexually perverted and sick - oh wait, that's something done in their bedroom ! look at that ? hypocrisy at its best :)

so Donald Price, why are you so concerned about what homosexuals do in their bedroom ?

Oh you must be one of those perverted stereo-typical homosexuals.

ROFL !!! oh i love it ! i've never stated my gender or my sexual orientation, its irrelevant to the conversation and yet you want to deflect and bring it up ! LOL oh how you love to dodge those questions. you expertly dodged them again, so i will repost them for you :) either put up, or shut up :)

1. explain where the straight gene is ? if heterosexuality is mapped by nature as you suggest - please point out the genes for heterosexuality

2. explain when you chose to be straight ? if you suggest that homosexuality (a sexual orientation like heterosexuality) is a choice, then tell us when you chose to be straight ? do you fight homosexual urges daily with your choice to be heterosexual ?

i'm guessing this means you will remain silent LMFAO !!!!

I guess you're one of THEM who refuses to allow an open debate on reparative therapy for homosexuality because............ it will finally lead to the truth LMAO.

seriously ? ROFL !! you haven't done much research and i thought you were better educated than that. reparative therapy has shown to be harmful to those who have participated. want links ? here you go:

www.fresnostate.edu/StudentOrgs/usp/resources/flyers/missionimpossible.htm

awww.. please don't cry ! LMFAO !!!

It will show perfect examples of homosexuals being successfully converted from homosexuality to heterosexuality with no further same-sex desires. Them even maintaining healthy heterosexual lives with biological children.

um, no. read the link i provided and -- please take your time

Anymore propaganda you wanna spew?

nope, you do a nice job of that yourself :)

Phoenyx13,

I won't entertain your mindless babble.

1. explain where the straight gene is ? if heterosexuality is mapped by nature as you suggest - please point out the genes for heterosexuality

Why do you keep bringing up a straight gene? I've never once mentioned anything about a straight gene. Given COMMON SENSE(something you may lack) human sexual reproductive organs were created for the opposite sex. It shows us that when Nature is creating a human body heterosexuality is definitely a part of it's blueprint.

explain when you chose to be straight ? if you suggest that homosexuality (a sexual orientation like heterosexuality) is a choice, then tell us when you chose to be straight ? do you fight homosexual urges daily with your choice to be heterosexual ?

I chose to be straight when I was 6 years old. I seen an older female and I wanted to know more about that female. I gained the confidence to speak to her & later that week we kissed. A beautiful start to heterosexuality. Now, i have 2 biological children whom both are straight. GO FIGURE!!!

Donald,

well you have deflection down to a fine art i see. you skip everything but did actually answer my questions.. well sort of... i will give ya as much credit as i can :)

Why do you keep bringing up a straight gene? I've never once mentioned anything about a straight gene. Given COMMON SENSE(something you may lack) human sexual reproductive organs were created for the opposite sex. It shows us that when Nature is creating a human body heterosexuality is definitely a part of it's blueprint.

i bring up the straight gene due to heterosexuality being a SEXUAL ORIENTATION just like homosexuality. so if you claim to have genetics for one - you must have it for the other. if you claim one is a choice - then it must be true for the other. understand ?

human reproductive organs were created for a few reasons, one being reproduction (yes, that is common sense). one is to get rid of waste (or do you urinate through another orifice on your body ?). sex is not just for reproduction - its also for pleasure (or have you only had sex 2 times in your life ? one for each child ?). so that's where your theory goes right out the window unless you can explain those things to me. (see ? your theory has to be well thought out, and it seems its not in your case.. but i have faith you'll figure out something to babble).

now when nature is creating a human body, sexual orientation is definitely part of the blue print - that no one can argue. whether its heterosexuality or not is a different story and you can't claim nature intended that at all or you'd have a different way of expelling waste from your body (as in urination for males). get it ?

the possibility of reproduction is granted to everyone, but the probability is not. or how else can you explain infertile humans ? if nature intended everyone to be heterosexual and to reproduce then we wouldn't have infertile people - but somehow we still do. weird huh ?

there goes your theory right out the window :)

I chose to be straight when I was 6 years old. I seen an older female and I wanted to know more about that female. I gained the confidence to speak to her & later that week we kissed. A beautiful start to heterosexuality. Now, i have 2 biological children whom both are straight. GO FIGURE!!!

well you answered one part of the question - when you chose to be straight, except you didn't answer if you fight those homosexual urges ? stating its a choice means that you were actually attracted to both genders and chose one over the other. is that true in your case ?

i'm guessing its not true and that you were born that way, which means its not a choice. your sexual orientation given to you at birth was heterosexuality. and we've established there is more than one sexual orientation.

care to try again ?

Phoenyx13,

i bring up the straight gene due to heterosexuality being a SEXUAL ORIENTATION just like homosexuality. so if you claim to have genetics for one - you must have it for the other. if you claim one is a choice - then it must be true for the other. understand ?

No, I don't understand because sexual orientation is a man-made construct. Pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life, but now, many experts view it as a deep-rooted predisposition that does not change. Many experts believe Pedophilia is a sexual orientation. Since the experts believe Pedophilia is a sexual orientation will you concede & call it a sexual orientation or try to exclude it like heterosexuals try to exclude homosexuality?

human reproductive organs were created for a few reasons, one being reproduction (yes, that is common sense). one is to get rid of waste (or do you urinate through another orifice on your body ?). sex is not just for reproduction - its also for pleasure (or have you only had sex 2 times in your life ? one for each child ?). so that's where your theory goes right out the window unless you can explain those things to me. (see ? your theory has to be well thought out, and it seems its not in your case.. but i have faith you'll figure out something to babble)

now when nature is creating a human body, sexual orientation is definitely part of the blue print - that no one can argue. whether its heterosexuality or not is a different story and you can't claim nature intended that at all or you'd have a different way of expelling waste from your body (as in urination for males). get it ?

No i don't get it because sexual orientation is a man made construct. Nature gives human beings sexual reproductive organs to naturally procreate not masturbate, anal sex, oral sex, etc... This may sound strange to you given all the perverts & perversions that maybe around you but that's your social environments influences not Nature's blueprint.

Please take your time.

the possibility of reproduction is granted to everyone, but the probability is not. or how else can you explain infertile humans ? if nature intended everyone to be heterosexual and to reproduce then we wouldn't have infertile people - but somehow we still do. weird huh ?

there goes your theory right out the window :)

If a human being is born to not naturally procreate then they're born with a birth defect. Remember at the begining of the conversation...... Homosexuality is a human flaw, error, blemish, DEFECT, human sexuality-imperfection.

well you answered one part of the question - when you chose to be straight, except you didn't answer if you fight those homosexual urges ? stating its a choice means that you were actually attracted to both genders and chose one over the other. is that true in your case ?

i'm guessing its not true and that you were born that way, which means its not a choice. your sexual orientation given to you at birth was heterosexuality. and we've established there is more than one sexual orientation.

I informed you previously that I was straight so I assumed that you figured I didn't get same-sex urges but I forget I speaking to a perverted mind so let me answer the question directly.

NO, I DON'T GET SAME-SEX URGES!!!

I chose heterosexuality when I was 6 years old because I was attracted to females. My human body was working correctly as Nature intended. Sadly, homosexuals can't say the same.

Donald Price,

ring around the mulberry bush ! here we go again !

No, I don't understand because sexual orientation is a man-made construct. Pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life, but now, many experts view it as a deep-rooted predisposition that does not change. Many experts believe Pedophilia is a sexual orientation. Since the experts believe Pedophilia is a sexual orientation will you concede & call it a sexual orientation or try to exclude it like heterosexuals try to exclude homosexuality?

sexual orientation is a man-made construct ? oh this oughta be good - explain how you came up with that scientific conclusion .. do all the scientists know this too ? it will surely change things !

and if Pedophilia is recognized as a sexual orientation by as many organizations (like the APA for example) as heterosexuality and homosexuality - then sure, i have no problems conceding it. it isn't that way currently. so CURRENTLY it is a sexual behavior or paraphilia and is treated as such. so pedophilia isn't valid in this argument since it currently is NOT a sexual orientation. but if it is considered as such in the future - then i'll gladly concede it :)

your sexual orientation is preprogrammed into you, you are attracted to your gender and you can't help it. its apart of who you are.

No i don't get it because sexual orientation is a man made construct. Nature gives human beings sexual reproductive organs to naturally procreate not masturbate, anal sex, oral sex, etc... This may sound strange to you given all the perverts & perversions that maybe around you but that's your social environments influences not Nature's blueprint.

Please take your time.

nature gave human beings sexual reproductive organs for a variety of reasons. how do you urinate Donald ? thru the hole in your head ? gee.. look at that.. but i thought your penis was only a sexual reproductive organ and only used to naturally procreate ! i know, this definitely sounds strange to you since you are very stubborn and unwilling to believe the world isn't the way you honestly feel it should be. i'm sorry for your luck ! LMFAO !!!

If a human being is not born to naturally procreate then they're born with a birth defect. Remember at the begining of the conversation...... Homosexuality is a human flaw, error, blemish, DEFECT, human sexuality-imperfection.

infertility - yes. that is a medical defect. homosexuality ? no. because the flaw in your argument is this -- homosexuals can still naturally procreate, they have that ability where infertile people don't. so try again ?

I informed you previously that I was straight so I assumed that you figured I didn't get same-sex urges but I forget I speaking to a perverted mind so let me answer the question directly. NO, I DON'T GET SAME-SEX URGES!!!

I choose heterosexuality when I was 6 years old because I was attracted to females. My human body was working correctly as Nature intended.

i guess you don't understand it. you made the choice, which means you MUST have been attracted to BOTH genders or a CHOICE WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED TO BE MADE ... get it yet ? please, take your time and let it sink in..

Phoenyx13,

sexual orientation is a man-made construct ? oh this oughta be good - explain how you came up with that scientific conclusion .. do all the scientists know this too ? it will surely change things !

and if Pedophilia is recognized as a sexual orientation by as many organizations (like the APA for example) as heterosexuality and homosexuality - then sure, i have no problems conceding it. it isn't that way currently. so CURRENTLY it is a sexual behavior or paraphilia and is treated as such. so pedophilia isn't valid in this argument since it currently is NOT a sexual orientation. but if it is considered as such in the future - then i'll gladly concede it :)

At one point in history sexual orientation only included heterosexuality meaning the definition can change similar to the word "marriage" the words can be changed because it's man-made. I really hope this helps you out.

If there is no consensus among scientist or psychologist as to the exact origins of homosexuality then how is it an orientation? LMAO Sounds more like a perversion eerie similar to Pedophilia.

Please take your time.

your sexual orientation is preprogrammed into you, you are attracted to your gender and you can't help it. its apart of who you are.

This it not a true statement. Prove it?

This is proof that human beings can change their sexual orientation through reparitive therapy.

licensed counselors who practice the therapy and two families who say their teenagers benefited from it sued

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/gay-conversion-therapy-law-blocked_n_2235653.html

The suit claims the ban, scheduled to take effect Jan. 1, violates the teens' freedom of speech and freedom of religion by denying them the chance to be cured of "unwanted same-sex attraction."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57526727/second-lawsuit-challenges-calif-gay-therapy-ban/

nature gave human beings sexual reproductive organs for a variety of reasons. how do you urinate Donald ? thru the hole in your head ? gee.. look at that.. but i thought your penis was only a sexual reproductive organ and only used to naturally procreate ! i know, this definitely sounds strange to you since you are very stubborn and unwilling to believe the world isn't the way you honestly feel it should be. i'm sorry for your luck ! LMFAO !!!

No, the anus is not a sexual reproductive organ LMAO. I know you can't debunk the sexual reproductive organs are used to naturally procreate because it's fact.

infertility - yes. that is a medical defect. homosexuality ? no. because the flaw in your argument is this -- homosexuals can still naturally procreate, they have that ability where infertile people don't. so try again ?

Homosexuals CAN naturally procreate with the opposite-sex because Nature allows it, however homosexuals CAN't naturally procreate with the same-sex because Nature doesn't allow it. It's the whole Nature's blueprint thing we discussed earlier. If you need a refresher then plase scroll up.

i guess you don't understand it. you made the choice, which means you MUST have been attracted to BOTH genders or a CHOICE WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED TO BE MADE ... get it yet ? please, take your time and let it sink in..

Nope. Your theory has been debunked once again. I chose to be straight at age 6 & I've never been sexually-attracted to the same-sex.

Donald,

At one point in history sexual orientation only included heterosexuality meaning the definition can change similar to the word "marriage" the words can be changed because it's man-made. I really hope this helps you out.

If there is no consensus among scientist or psychologist as to the exact origins of homosexuality then how is it an orientation? LMAO Sounds more like a perversion eerie similar to Pedophilia.

Please take your time.

sorry, research at Standford disagrees with you:
plato.stanford.edu/entries/homosexuality/

and so does this site: www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

please, take your time :) LMFAO !!!! as you can see, homosexuality has been around as long as heterosexuality. i hope this helps you out :) next !

This it not a true statement. Prove it?

its been proven through science, do you even pay attention ?

if you need help, google it and you'll find plenty of articles. if you aren't smart enough to handle this, let me know and i'll find some for you :)

please, take your time :)

This is proof that human beings can change their sexual orientation through reparitive therapy.

licensed counselors who practice the therapy and two families who say their teenagers benefited from it sued

The suit claims the ban, scheduled to take effect Jan. 1, violates the teens' freedom of speech and freedom of religion by denying them the chance to be cured of "unwanted same-sex attraction."

sorry, that's been debunked in previous posts.. if you need an article, please refer to an earlier post. or, if you really need that much help - let me know and i'll find another for you :)

please, take your time :)

No, the anus is not a sexual reproductive organ LMAO. I know you can't debunk the sexual reproductive organs are used to naturally procreate because it's fact.

oh, so you only expel waste from your anus ? you don't expel any waste from your penis which is also a sexual reproductive organ ? you must be an amazing male ! every male i know expels waste (urination in case you were too slow to catch on) from their penis.. but ya know, from your silly theory, that can't possibly be true ! that would mean your sexual reproductive organ would have MORE THAN ONE FUNCTION ! go figure, right ? i know, its odd, it may take you awhile to process this information. if you need more information - take Human Anatomy 101 LMFAO !!!!!

Homosexuals CAN naturally procreate with the opposite-sex because Nature allows it, however homosexuals CAN't naturally procreate with the same-sex because Nature doesn't allow it. It's the whole Nature's blueprint thing we discussed earlier. If you need a refresher then plase scroll up.

so, homosexuals CAN and DO procreate :) thanks for proving that point :) and that means that homosexuality (by your logic) is not a defect since they CAN and DO procreate ! :) you are most helpful :)

Nope. Your theory has been debunked once again. I chose to be straight at age 6 & I've never been sexually-attracted to the same-sex.

oh my.. you are definitely showing off that 8th grade education ! :) IF you must make a choice that means there is MORE THAN ONE option, or a choice wouldn't need to be made. understand that ? if you didn't have MORE THAN ONE option with your sexual attraction - that means it wasn't a choice. since heterosexuality and homosexuality are BOTH sexual orientations and you didn't CHOOSE to be heterosexual (as you stated in your own words, you stated you have never been attracted to the same sex, so no choice was made since there was no other option), that means your heterosexuality was genetic, your sexual orientation was genetic and that must mean (by logic, if you can't follow along - let me know, i'll use one syllable words to help you out) that homosexuality is genetic as well. you have just proven my point in your own words.

i appreciate that Donald :) thank you for your support ! LMFAO !!!!

anything else ? or would you rather stop now and stop looking so stupid ?

Phoenyx13,

Through all your mindless babble you still have yet to prove human beings are born gay so until that moment arrives they will be considered perverts by social-constructs.

sorry, research at Standford disagrees with you:
plato.stanford.edu/entries/homosexuality/

and so does this site: www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

please, take your time :) LMFAO !!!! as you can see, homosexuality has been around as long as heterosexuality. i hope this helps you out :) next !

As I stated Pedophilia is considered by many experts to be a sexual orientation. The definition of "sexual orientation" changes so it's a man-made construct.

its been proven through science, do you even pay attention ?

if you need help, google it and you'll find plenty of articles. if you aren't smart enough to handle this, let me know and i'll find some for you :)

please, take your time :)

Prove it? If there is no consensus among scientist or psychologist as to the exact origins of homosexuality & there is evidence that human beings can change sexual orientations through reparative therapy. How can anyone unequivocally state that sexual orientation can't be changed?

LMFAO SMH!!!!

oh, so you only expel waste from your anus ? you don't expel any waste from your penis which is also a sexual reproductive organ ? you must be an amazing male ! every male i know expels waste (urination in case you were too slow to catch on) from their penis.. but ya know, from your silly theory, that can't possibly be true ! that would mean your sexual reproductive organ would have MORE THAN ONE FUNCTION ! go figure, right ? i know, its odd, it may take you awhile to process this information. if you need more information - take Human Anatomy 101 LMFAO !!!!!

Nope. Sexual reproductive organs concerning sexual intercourse was created for naturally procreating. If you're into licking waste then that's your twisted logic. LMAO

oh my.. you are definitely showing off that 8th grade education ! :) IF you must make a choice that means there is MORE THAN ONE option, or a choice wouldn't need to be made. understand that ? if you didn't have MORE THAN ONE option with your sexual attraction - that means it wasn't a choice. since heterosexuality and homosexuality are BOTH sexual orientations and you didn't CHOOSE to be heterosexual (as you stated in your own words, you stated you have never been attracted to the same sex, so no choice was made since there was no other option), that means your heterosexuality was genetic, your sexual orientation was genetic and that must mean (by logic, if you can't follow along - let me know, i'll use one syllable words to help you out) that homosexuality is genetic as well. you have just proven my point in your own words.

Simple minds LMAO. Yes, I chose to be heterosexual at age 6 because there were boys in my classroom & there were girls in my classroom(multiple options). Hypothetically, if i would've chosen a male then I would've picked gay but I didn't I chose a female because I'm straight.

Choice - consists of the mental process of judging the merits of multiple options and selecting one or more of them

I really hope this helps you out. If not please try opening your mind.

Donald

Through all your mindless babble you still have yet to prove human beings are born gay so until that moment arrives they will be considered perverts by social-constructs.

exactly my point to you, you have babbled on mindlessly and still have not proven that human beings are not born gay, so until that moment arrives they are considered normal by social-constructs even if you ignorantly believe otherwise.

unless you would like me to help you draft a letter to the APA and other various organizations to let them know they are apparently wrong due to your twisted logic ?

As I stated Pedophilia is considered by many experts to be a sexual orientation. The definition of "sexual orientation" changes so it's a man-made construct.

the definition of sexual orientation evolves - correct. the same as many other definitions of things in our world, especially as science evolves and proves things. did you have a point to that ? we are just figuring out things with sexual orientation and its a possibility that pedophilia may be one day added to the actual definition, currently it is not so you can't use that in your argument. but you can argue that the definition evolves over time, as does the definition of many things - for example the shape of the planet (which was defined as flat for a long time).

get my point ? i'm guessing you won't *sigh*

Prove it? If there is no consensus among scientist or psychologist as to the exact origins of homosexuality & there is evidence that human beings can change sexual orientations through reparative therapy. How can anyone unequivocally state that sexual orientation can't be changed?

LMFAO SMH!!!!

ahhhh... circular logic is one of your best friends. for someone who is advocating that pedophilia is a sexual orientation because many experts "believe it", you later state that homosexuality origins can't be verified because there is no consensus among experts.. just like there is no consensus among experts about your pedophilia being a sexual orientation. can't have it both ways Donald and i've given you credible articles for the history of homosexuality.

i've also debunked your reparative therapy with multiple articles as well. if you choose to remain willfully ignorant - your choice and now you are just spreading misinformation and lies ! LMFAO !!! SMH !!

Nope. Sexual reproductive organs concerning sexual intercourse was created for naturally procreating. If you're into licking waste then that's your twisted logic. LMAO

sexual reproductive organs concerning sexual intercourse for naturally procreating don't involve your anus ! i can't believe you think they do ! LMFAO !!!!! did you make it to Human Sexuality 101 or what ? the best part is -- YOU EVEN STATE THE ANUS ISN'T INVOLVED !!! LOOK !! ---

No, the anus is not a sexual reproductive organ LMAO. I know you can't debunk the sexual reproductive organs are used to naturally procreate because it's fact.

LMFAO !! SMH !

so again, debunk it, tell me why they are solely only for procreating when males urinate out of the same organ ??? you can't answer it can you ? which means they have more than one function and once again - i was correct. i'm sure this frustrates you terribly LMFAO !!!!

you are amusing at best Donald, not credible or logical or anything else, but definitely amusing at best :)

Simple minds LMAO. Yes, I chose to be heterosexual at age 6 because there were boys in my classroom & there were girls in my classroom(multiple options). Hypothetically, if i would've chosen a male then I would've picked gay but I didn't I chose a female because I'm straight.

Choice - consists of the mental process of judging the merits of multiple options and selecting one or more of them

so in this scenario were you sexually attracted to the boys as well as the girls ? if you weren't then you didn't choose to be heterosexual, you already were. if you were sexually attracted to the boys as well as the girls and then chose girls, you made a choice. you made a choice - consisting of the mental process of judging the merits of multiple options and selecting one or more of them, and in this case being sexually attracted to both - because if you weren't then there wasn't a choice to be made.

so were you sexually attracted to boys as well ??

I really hope this helps you out. If not please try opening your mind.

those are my words to you :)

Gay anchor babies! They get automatic citizenship in the hetero nation! And all the rights and privileges our Foreskin Fathers guaranteed! Save us, Rush Lymphnode!

no kidding lmfao!!!

As Republicans they couldn't support equal rights for all Americans and expect to get reelected.

Exactly. Now they can say what they truly believe since they no longer have voters they need to court. Sick isn't it.

Ya - makes you wonder about the ones still in office!!!!

The ones still in office are wasting millions of taxpayer dollars to defend Jim Crow laws like DOMA.

and I agree, right = freedom and equality for all, and wrong = discrimination against some.

Since G*d didn't say anything on the topic....what is your point luckyboy?

Smarten up...societies words not God's rules us.

Ahhhh but the Constitution protects us all from God's word my friend. We are governed by the Constitution not your little book of fables.

@ LuckyBoy: Setting aside the fact that this country is a secular Democratic Republic and not a theocracy. Pray tell, what words of 'God' are you referring to, and please site your source...that isn't from a book written by man. Where's the audio tape? Screen shot or it never happened.

god? which one - there are thousands of them out there... oh - you mean your judaeo-christian-islamic mythical supreme entity?

Well who cares? certainly not anyone with a BRAIN (of course if it's a 'clean" brain as in "brainwashed") it might be "different"