I assumed it was Agent Starling that captured him... Anyway, got to be going now, I'm having an old friend for dinner...

My how society has changed. This headline used to mean an entirely different thing.

Mornin' cory...

Truly sick and twisted individuals. WTF!?

First off, never put anything on the Internet that you don't want anyone else to know. These guys are ridiculously stupid.

You have got to be totally insane to even think of what they were plotting not to mention actually wanting to carry it out.

Scum of the earth POS's....

These are definitely some very disturbed people who probably belong in a psychiatric hospital. That said, there is nothing in the article that indicates that any of them took any overt action towards following through on these supposed plots. Without some overt act showing that they actually intended to commit these crimes, the prosecution is going to have a very tough time getting a conviction. While it is definitely sick, there is absolutely no law against having these types of fantasies so long as you do not act on them. The one woman who has been identified as a subject of one of these fantasies has stated that she never felt she was in any danger from these people. There is no indication in the article that any money changed hands in the case where there was a price negotiation. Without money actually changing hands or someone actually being kidnapped, it will be difficult if not impossible to prove any intent to actually follow through with the crime. We need to be very careful about the government prosecuting people for their fantasies. These people should be forced to undergo a psychiatric evaluation to determine if they are actually a threat to anyone. Beyond that, unless there is some evidence that is not mentioned in the article of overt acts in furtherance of actually following through on these fantasies, I am having a hard time seeing that any actual crime was committed.

Morning Creek Dog

I would have to assume that websites such as the one mentioned would be monitored 24/7.

"Cannibalism, sexual violence?"

New show for Hanson, "To Catch a Cannibal."

a real life Hannibal Lechter

JS in SD: I'm pretty sure conspiracy is a punishable crime. What these guys are doing may be fantasy, but they are also making plans to carry out that fantasy - and their fantasy involves torture and murder.

If people want to fantasize sick things, they need to do it in their heads and not share it with others. Once they do, they've willingly opened themselves up to possibly being charged with conspiracy. If a person can't or doesn't want to keep their sick fantasies in their heads, I would think that means they want to take the next step - possibly involve others in sharing the fantasy (for validation and/or help achieving it) and then on to the next step - carrying it out.

For the sake of humanity, people who share fantasies that involve harm or death to others, should be questioned by police and prosecuted if necessary. No one needs Hannibal Lechter wandering the streets looking for his next meal.

With evidence this damning why draw out a trial? Why lock people like this up? Eliminate them from society so we are all better off.

WinWin4all, I agree. Having such sick fantasies is not a crime, but sharing them with others and making plans to carry them out should be. Who knows how far these sickos would go if they weren't exposed and put on trial. Serial killers are all normal people until they are caught for their crimes.

I think one benefit of having the internet is that sick twisted minds such as these can find expression and be exposed as dangerous threats to society, or at least to their intended victims.

I love it, people now want to throw you in jail for thinking about or fantasizing about committing a crime.

Police state 101.. Wonderful.

There shall be no law without harm, that's the rule of a civilized society.

If he has mental issues the court can order a psychological exam and if found so adjudicate him mental unstable and put him where he needs to be.

The only crime I see is accessing the database illegally and if so that is the only thing he should be tried for.

If someone fantasizes about robbing a bank and talks about how he would do it, so what?

Unless he's actually doing it there is no harm committed and as such the idea of throwing someone in prison for it is absolutely abhorrent.

Well, as far as I know, stalking is still a crime in most states, so they've probably got him on that one. And Ted, what would you have them do? Wait until this guy kills someone? I'm not kidding or being flip, I'd like to know how you'd go about neutralizing such people. Because you're right, you can't presume guilt, and maybe it really was just a fantasy. At which point, they need to take a good long look at him in Bellevue.

But what if he and his buds were really going to go through with it? Because these guys seemed to have moved past fantasizing and were well into a planning stage. Quite the quandary.

When he hacked into the govt database and selected particular victims, then plotted to harm those specific people, he crossed the legal line from fantasy to conspiracy.

Imagine it's your wife, daughter or mother that was targeted through illegal hacking and these guys were making plans to kidnap and do unspeakable things to HER. Not just "somebody", but your wife, daughter or mother. If you say you want to kill the president, you go to jail if there is any evidence you might mean it. In this case several people were plotting the deed. I hope they put this guy away.

The real, provable crime here is the fact that the cop Valle accessed a police database illegally for information on his future victims. But that does not remove the disgusting details of the blueprints to kidnap, kill and eat women that he was forming with the other players in this scary scenario.

@Ted-803281: I am sure if you were Kimberly Sauer and knew Valle, you'd have a far different point of view.

What I think is weird about this is if you want to write a story or make a movie about this, it's all go for it. I kind of think he was writing out perverted fantasys, not realizing everybody will have a microscope on him. I don't know....people imagine some pretty sick things. How gruesome are some of the Medevial torture devices? Somebody built that stuff. Man's real smart....he figured out how to pull your guts out w/o killing you too quick. I think this guy was guility of being stupid, like putting people in crosshairs of a gun. Then again, we had the D.C. killings years ago. Extreme psyc exam.

If someone fantasizes about robbing a bank and talks about how he would do it, so what?

In most jurisdictions, Conspiracy to Commit a crime carries a stiffer penalty then the crime itself. It's obvious you don't believe this guy was engaged in conspiracy. One can only wonder what more you would require insofar as proof...

Ted, JS and others:

True, no actual crime has been committed here.

But, I think we crossed the slippery slope with 9/11 and our ability to lock anyone up who "chats" about wanting to do harm to the US. Hell, we lock up people with muslim sounding names and because people on flights are "nervous" about them - as happened with a detroit woman.

and now with the mass shootings, and the calls by gun advocates to focus more on mental health as a means of preventing these shootings (which would imply locking these people up before they committ a crime)...I think it's clear that society, as a whole, has come to conclude that you're right to speech is not as full as you once thought it was.

We cant yell FIRE in a theatre, we cant say BOMB on a plane...

and you know what, I dont think you should be able to fantasize about killing people.

or raping people, or children.

It seems to me, if nothing else...thats a pretty easy and clear place to start.

Frankly, I think we can collectively agree - that if you are desiring to kill, or rape someone...someones beyond fuched in your head.

Maybe prison isnt where you belong, but a mental health facility for the rest of your life...is a good start.

Robert - I agree with you about movies and books.

And i've always thought that the kind of people who make movies like SAW (and the kind of people who consider those kinds of movies to be enjoyable) are sick in the head.

Maybe the only line between movies and books, and what this guy did...was the fact that he was talking about a real person he knew (or just a real person in general) and movies and books are works of fiction, not about anyone real (that we know of).

I know of one person, specifically, who likes all the gruesome killer kind of movies...and you know what, he is kinda nuts. Do i think he's capable of hurting someone? Honestly...I don't know. He was capable of sexually assaulting coworkers over 10 years ago when I knew him...so yeah, I could see him raping someone...maybe even killing them afterwards.

Do I think the movies make him think that way?

Heck no...I think the movies validate his sick thoughts.

And thats what is pretty bothersome.

There's something wrong with waiting for a crime to be committed before stopping someone. If it was just a sick fantasy, he would have kept it in his head. Instead:

He used the police database to collect information on victims

He created files on his computer assembling that information into a plan

He went on the internet to learn methods and to conspire to murder specific individuals according to a plan

How long do we have to wait before charging someone with a serious crime? That's right, I'm talking to all those people who are defending this dirtbag. Are you going to wait until he kills somebody and then say--ohhhh, we just thought it was a fantasy. Sorry dead people.

There isn't one law (in the US) that makes yelling fire in a theater a crime. Even the SCOTUS ruling says it is legal. What are you talking about?

And before you start screaming there is, please find one and post it, it doesn't exist.

We shouldn't be locking up people in gitmo without a trail. That's a perfect example of the unintended consequences we are experiencing from this type of mentality.

No one is defending him, we're defending our freedom. I shouldn't have to keep my thoughts to myself. I should be able to freely express them..

On the mental health side, i stated clearly that a judge can have him sent to be evaluated and have him committed if found to be a danger to others or himself. That's the right course of action. Not prosecuting him for something he never did.

"Are you going to wait until he kills somebody and then say--ohhhh, we just thought it was a fantasy. Sorry dead people." Stratocumulus

Actually, unless you want to give the government the power to try and convict you FOR YOUR THOUGHTS, that is exactly what should happen.

Having said that, I do think he and his buddies might have gone far enough into the "planning" stage to have committed ACTIONS that are prosecutable under the "inchoate offenses" doctrine, and those are enforceable laws. If preparations are made (database hack to collect victim info, specific written plans, research to devise methods to commit the crime, discussions of whom to kidnap and murder) that are sufficient to show an intent, then the offender can be arrested and charged before the crime was committed. However, if the offender is arrested too early, there can still exist enough reasonable doubt to not garner a conviction. That's the reason why the FBI and BATFE allow potential terrorists to actually ATTEMPT to explode a fake bomb before they arrest them. That gives them a solid case.

The problem we have today is that too often reasonable doubt is ignored for the sake of knee jerk, emotional actions. (Scott Petersen case comes to mind.) Or, lack of REASONABLE doubt is ignored for the sake of political statement (the O.J.Simpson murder case). Both of those cases were heavily influenced by media contamination and mass manipulation of public opinion.

As far as being tried for your thoughts... too late, that's already happening, too. That's why we have the so-called hate crime enhancements. It's not good enough to imprison someone for the crime of assault or murder (the action that is illegal), we have to tack on extra years because of the offender's thought process to boot. Therein is the slippery slope.

I find it hard to believe that this scenario isn't out of some very bad B-movie made on a low budget just for sensationalism. Mind-boggling that this is actually taking place. NBC, are you fooling around with a new software program just to bend our heads?

I will agree that there is a slippery slope here. For example, Paul Ryan has wanted to set up a law against burning the flag. Obviously because he thinks that is treason instead of an act of protest against military expansion.

If there was legislation against fantasies, he could theoretically jail someone for thinking about burning a flag--regardless of how thin the evidence would be. That would be similar to McCarthyism. That is a terrible slippery slope.

On the other hand he did plan this. He did use or hack the database to collect info. I think there is definitely evidence against this guy and although we can't convict him of murder, we can convict him of certain other crimes that are quite serious--though not as serious.

There is definitely a really fine line we as a society must be careful about crossing...locking people up just for thinking about things. But as a (somewhat) normal person I can only wonder...what kind of person actually has fantasies about kidnapping, raping, killing and eating people? Maybe if it never leaves your head...but once you start writing about it, sharing it with others and planning...you have moved beyond the "just a fantasy" stage and you are planning for action. Why do we have to wait for an innocent person to be their victim before moving in? Easy for the rest of us to say that no crime has been committed in the "fantasy" stage as long as we are safe and secure in thinking WE wouldn't be that first (or second or third) victim!

Well said Marie. It shouldn't always have to take a tragedy for us to take action. We shouldn't have to wait for victims to be able to persecute someone. Just think about it. This man, who was at the very least spending an obsessive amount of time fantasizing about literally eating woman was a cop! Do you know how scary that is? Heck, he could have even used his police position to "arrest" a woman and carry out his fantasies that way. And it seems his twisted "fantasies" were progressing at an alarming rate. If that doesn't scream danger to you (the person reading this), then I don't know what else to say. This is how these things progress. They start as fantasies, take over a steadily increasing part of the person's life, and then eventually the person decides to act on them. The warning signs should be pretty obvious to everyone. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Thank god they caught him before he got to anyone.

Bleeding hearts give it a rest... These guys are f*$#@ed up. They don't need to be a part of society. Quit whining about how no laws have been broke for people like this or you may end up in their basement dipsh#$s.

Once in jail he will get his man-meat daily from some big bubba.

Granny 1.13 has it right. If it's provable this person accessed a police database - even if just for his "fantasies" - it seems to me a law has been broken. The line between fantasy and reality has been breached.

Anyone can think what they want to think. But, they need to be very careful with what they do and say about those thoughts.

If the evidence suggests he should be convicted, I predict he won't last long in prison once his cell mates get wind of his story.

What is it with the stories today? Gross, disgusting and tragic.

Girl meat is to be suckled on like a sucker, not eaten! This guys wires are crossed up. Fry him up for Zoo feed

Sitting at dinner, Corey Walsh's mother told Corey... "I don't like your friends"... That's OK said Corey, have the salad instead...

There's a fine line to be observed here;

1) No actual crime has been committed - yet. He cannot be convicted for merely having murderous, violent, and gruesome thoughts, but we know from experience that some people actually do carry out such warped fantasies, so this man's thoughts and actions definitely deserve close scrutiny and evaluation. He should be remanded to some sort of 'full-time' psychiatric program in order to determine the level of danger he poses to society.

2) Someone mentioned the "SAW" movies, which are based on displaying the perpetration of all manner of bondage and gore aimed at captive victims. I watched one of these movies and quickly realized that I didn't want or need to watch any more of them. And yet, because the movie was popular enough to spawn 4 or 5 follow-up sequels, it is obvious that a large number people find this sort of movie either interesting or thrilling. Can/should they be prosecuted or placed under observation because of their morbid interests?

3) There ARE crazy, warped, and dangerous people in the world, and only in the unknown future will some of them will reveal the depths of their depravity. After they strike (and some will), we'll all say that that we (or someone) 'should have seen the warning signs'.

How shall we alert ourselves to such 'warning signs' without succumbing to hysterical witch-hunts?

Just the claim that this fantasy is from themis reason enough to have them committed to some institution before they can spread their twisted fantasies to other weirdos, like the testament says don't even think it! these people are sick to even fantasize on this subject to begin with, if you are not going to lock them up then send them to Hollywood where they belong.

Society is in a hysterical witch hunt every day, we just hunt the wrong witches. occasionally the right one steps into the trap, usually they simply go around it, might have something to do with the liberals that stand by the traps and point them out.

Wow, I started reading this thinking it was some sort of joke gone wrong or something. But jesus jumpin crackers. That's messed up.

You have to wonder why anyone would want to become a cop to begin with. Have to be somewhat mental to want to do that to begin with. Protect and server is BS. It's more about have control and being in a position of power over someone else.

At least some departments give psych tests. I know someone who has failed them more than once.

Are we sure we're not confusing the cop's lust for "girl meat" with oral copulation?

Pretty sure. Since oral isn't usually followed by stuffing someone in the oven and slow roasting them.

Maybe not in your neighborhood. Around here its preferred by all the cops.

The problem with the psych test is that the wannabes can take the test as many times as they choose and sooner or later they will figure out what to say/act and what not to, and if they went to school before applying to a academy the school teaches them how to behave simply because the course teaches about reading a persons body language, eye movement so they know how to lie like a lawyer. a similar course as Obama took in law school. the difference between a cop and a crook is a steady paycheck, the difference between a cop and a politician is a bigger paycheck politicians is a overall fill in to cover everything from a lawyer to a judge to the president.

Its a sick fantasy so its a sick mind, that's a bell ringing.

@ invisiblehand what part about the oven fits with your analogy? and the head as a centerpiece to a sit down dinner suggest he is not referring to oral copulation, his fantasies suggest he is also ruling out using her as a sushi bar. this crime may well be in his head but his thoughts indicate that his head is in serious need of help!. I know this guy that rides a Unicorn and zaps people with rainbow colored love beams when he is not blowing the shi+ out of someone, he will fix these people. they can be turned into gay crusaders and fight for the right to( ). we could just lock up everybody till we can figure out which ones are safe to be around others.

Well if you can get thrown in jail for conspiracy to commit drug crimes...."He said the two negotiated the price to be paid for a Manhattan teacher to be taken to New Jersey in a suitcase for Vanhise to rape and kill."...This guy is sick. A normal person doesn't think like that...

Yes it is. Did you have a point ? Wish the Mom of the Sandy Hook School shooter had her kid taken in for thought crimes. But he may not have tipped his thoughts like this cop did. But the cop is caught and someone is alive today because the FBI did a good job. And that is fine with me.

It's hardly a "thought crime" when it's in writing and discussed with conspirators. This isn't some abstract art project the guy was ruminating on.

Alan - I can always count on you to go against the flow. However, in the book, "1984", thought crime is the criminal act of holding unspoken beliefs or doubts that oppose or question the ruling party. In the book, the government attempts to control not only the speech and actions, but also the thoughts of its subjects.

This crime had absolutely nothing to do with "thought crime", but against some sicko with a desire against the laws of humanity. We are not animals and should always strive to be better. These people enjoy torture and cannibalism, so may be on the very bottom of the human "ladder". Maybe you'd think differently had this guy considered cooking and eating one of your female acquaintances or family member.

Thankful that the wife was able to discern what was going on and fled to safety with her baby. Brave woman!

SO having a desire but not actually acting on it is a crime now?

You reap what you sow. Eventually this mentally will come for you or people like you. Making everything a crime only serves to make people feel guilty and small, it is a control tactic and nothing else. There shall be no law without harm, this belief is what civilized people uphold.

Ted - I think it depends on the desire.

Having a desire to eat kangaroo, but not acting on it. Not a crime.

Having a desire to rape someone, and telling people about that, sounds like a crime to me.

Having a desire to ride the worlds tallest roller coaster, but being too scared to act on it. NOT A CRIME.

Having a desire to kill someone you know, but not YET acting on it - CRIME.

Having a desire to run a marathon, but not acting on it - NOT A CRIME.

Having a desire to rape a child, but not finding a child to act on it with - CRIME.

Having a desire to make out with someone of the same sex (who is willing), but scared to act on it - NOT A CRIME.

Having a desire to rape, kill, cook and then eat someone of the same sex (or opposite sex), but not acting on it yet - CRIME.

Having a desire to paint the school around your block so it looks fresh and new, but not having the funds to do it - NOT A CRIME.

Having the desire to shoot up a school and die by cop suicide, but not acting on it yet - CRIME.

What, exactly, do you think is the difference between my examples of crimes and not crimes?

Surely, you're smart enough to see there is a difference...right?

"There shall be no law without harm, this belief is what civilized people uphold."

So, you wouldnt feel harmed if you found out that someone was fantasizing about kidnapping you, raping you, killing you, cooking you and eating you...and you found out who the person was?

You wouldnt feel harmed or threatened, at all?

You'd just say "oh you crazy mofo, thats funny...im sure it's all just fantasy, guess we'll find out!"

thats how you'd feel?

Jessica....not only are you absolutely right, but your delivery is great. Had me cracking up. It's scary that people try to make this black and white when there is a HUGE gray area around things like this. This was clearly above and beyond a simple thought or desire. People are trying to minimize it to make it seem as though this guy hasn't done anything wrong.

There are probably millions of people dreaming about killing obama,, thought about killing GWB, but none of them are going to do it and none of them should be in jail.

I wouldn't be happy about it and if I had probable cause for concern, I would seek a protection order like a normal person and not think the person should be in jail for thinking and vocalizing his thoughts because intelligent people understand the law of unintended consequences.

Well Ted I can GUARANTEE you that if any of those people that "thought" about it, discussed it on the internet and made files about how to pull it off they would most certainly be in jail. But hey, let's introduce Valle and his co-conspirators to your wife, daughter, sister or girlfriend ok. After all, he's harmless. He just thinks weird things. FYI Ted, a protection order or a restraining order isn't worth the paper it's written on. What do you think, you can pull it out and it magically puts up a protective shield around you? Or do you foolishly think it comes with an armed body guard issued by the court? Not worth much when it's discovered at the crime scene. You really need to get off your own front porch a little.

Ted it's a sad mindset to have if you honestly think there are millions of people dreaming about killing our President (and you're only including American citizens.) There were a lot of people angry at President Bush as well but I don't believe there were millions that went as far as dreaming of killing him either.

Though of course dreaming of an action is not what these two men are on trial for now is it?

His desires weren't crimes at all. It was when he began to physically plot and document that it became illegal. I can have the desire to throw an old lady down the stairs, if I never do it or threaten to do it, it's not illegal as it shouldn't be.

He went the extra step so I can only assume he had no intention of stopping, lock him up hunt down these other contacts, especially the one in England that claims to have already committed such crimes and get to the bottom of what is really going on. If nothing else someone needs a long vacation in a mental institution where he can fantasise on having his Doctor over for dinner. maybe someone can feed him his own brain.

We are all to blame, we are the ones that push the envelope farther and farther out there, every time we allow a new normal or allow the line to be moved we open a new avenue to immoral conduct, we are responsible for the degradation of society and we continue to allow things to get worse, we allow the freaks to run free and contaminate the minds of our youth and see nothing wrong with it its only entertainment, we live in a sick society today because we allow it to be sick and it will only get worse, we have entertainers that masturbate on stage have same sex publicly and see nothing wrong with it soon they will be adding Animals to the act and it will be OK why not just push the limits thing till there are no limits left that's where its headed people should be able to show all the flesh they want right and since sex is a normal act why hide it people should be able to perform the act at will just like the animals do after all we strive to be like them now instead of rise above them like the conservatives of old, those old people so disgusting with all their morals and standards all the self discipline and decency crap to many rules and they take all the fun out of life, then their is the liberal point of view if it was available at the store then people would not have to try and get it they can just go to the store. sorry people are the problem with the world being sick and people are making it sicker. and stupidity is all around what do you expect? that people think Monkeys do it so it must be OK its natural. and the really dumb thinkers why do farmers raise animals to kill and eat when they can just go to the store and buy it they are so disgusting. and these people are allowed to vote. everyone with half a brain knows what the problem is but won't attempt to fix it because its not politically correct to do so. and some liberal will pin a tag on you if you do, does homophobes ring a bell, Bigot, hypocrite, screw it" it will end soon enough. if people keep multiplying the way they are we will all be eating soylent green and that will be the new norm. sick things happen in a sick world, you all know what the problems are and you all chose to ignore the problems and be politicly correct and moraly deficient rather then the other way around. this guy is a 4th monkey not at all like the other three, society is beginning to turn them out in greater nombers.

At least they were going with the healthy option as compared to vegetable oil.

If a convicted pedophile goes to the internet for kiddie porn, a victim was used in the perfomance.

Would be terrorists are arrested for plotting to kill people.

If this cop had had a passing comment, I could understand your point. There were numerous conversations, all pointing toward a result. It would have been cold comfort to the woman and her loved ones if the police waited until the act was accomplished. I understand your point about money not having changed hands as of the arrest, but I'm glad these (was going to say beasts, but why give animals a bad name?) perversions of humanity have been exposed. This cop was viewing sexually violent websites night after night, for hours at a time. He would have acted eventually.

It's interesting that you immediately went to pedophiles, though I specifically stayed away from that because there is no denying that viewing child pornography is not a victimless crime as it perpetuates the sexual exploitation of children. However, I was thinking more along the lines of say a violent rapist who then views hardcore or rough pornography which is put out by consensual adults via a porn studio. I don't think we could feasibly say that we should re-arrest that rapist simply for viewing porn of a violent nature. Although it may speak to his violent fantasies, simply viewing violent material is not a crime and if anything is covered under free speech the same way that viewing irreverent humor sites which mock public figures does not open you up to being convicted for slander.

Also, I don't disagree about arresting terrorists for plotting to kill people (and presumably / hopefully before they're ever able to carry out the act). Yet, to make the case that they actually WERE going to kill people, presumably you'd want to know that they had purchased the materials for a bomb or illegal weapons, etc.

What I'm saying is, "He would have acted eventually," is a fundamental reasoning error. You're attributing his thoughts to inevitable actions. Other than the words he exchanged with other individuals there doesn't appear to be any evidence that those words were actually turning into actions. Good evidence of that would be the actual exchange of money, or as someone noted above actually purchasing and creating home-made chloroform. The only possible evidence outlined in the article is that he intended (or perhaps actually did - it's not clear) to meet one of the women he had talked about for brunch. However, that in and of itself is not a crime or even clear intent to commit one, especially since he already knew her and made no threats against her. She even testified that she never in any way felt threatened.

Again, I'm not saying his fantasies are not disturbing or indicative of need for psychological treatment, especially for someone who is supposed to be a law enforcement officer. But the case, as outlined in the article, does not seem to justify the intent to commit a crime necessary to show that a conspiracy existed.

He was conversing on a site and with others from the site that is dedicated to the fantasy. WTF... I'll bet there is plenty of evidence that would indicate that this happens regularly without anyone getting harmed.

bg - you're not using apples to apples comparison.

you're talking about a convicted sex offender just looking at images on a computer, not talking actively and aggressively about raping a very real person he knows.

Do you see no difference?

Furthermore, why do we pull over drunk drivers who havent hit and killed anyone yet?

Only because we made drinking and driving illegal, because of how many people get killed.

Maybe it's time to outlaw sick fantasies that involve real peoples deaths?

Just a thought.

Ted - considering how many women are sexually assaulted, raped, killed and go missing...i'd say you're making quite the leap there.

I didn't even mention girls who meet the same fate.

Same crime that a student who blogs about conducting a mass shooting but hasnt carried it out yet. "Conspiriacy to commit a crime" which I doubt carries a life sentence. He will most likely serve a minimal sentance and be forced into retirement from law inforcement.. Then get a job working with your wife.

You okay with that?

The crime he actually did (well probably) was illegally accessing a government database

The other crime is people don't like how he thinks so they are flipping out saying things like "Then get a job working with your wife." to try to scare reasonable people that understand the law of unintended consequences into compliance, which is why we now have to get nude pictures of ourselves in airports and groped if we are in a wheel chair. Which is why the president can issue drone strikes and send in the military to arrest you. Why you can be put in gitmo to rot without a trial. Nice, Obey!

People need to understand that impact of when you give the government this kind of power what they will and are doing with it.

No CRIMINAL law without harm (economic or physical).

If its a clear attempt, he has a gun and points it at your head in public, then I understand. If she shoots and misses, yes. That's as far as I can reasonably see as acceptable.

Well Ted when can I expect to see you launching a massive protests about all the men who have been arrested on "to catch a predator"? After all, there's no crime knocking on the door of a house where a 15 year old lives. Right? Talking about it on the Internet isn't a crime either, right?

Likely conspiring to commit murder among lesser charges.

Wow, someone is trying to KILL someone to EAT....... AND YOU'RE UPSET AT UNIONS?!!!!! You need a LOT of help, guy.

LOL, ya no @!$%#! Definitely some crazies out there and if they come through my front door I don't want to have to wait for the cops...but we're getting off subject here :-)

Nobody is saying you should be disarmed....but clearly you don't need an assualt weapon with a 100 round clip to protect yourself from a piece of garbage like this. One bullet will suffice.

But is up to you to say I don't?

No, it's up to me, bwah ha ha!

I rarely take the advice of any blueunicorns. For some reason, I just don't trust their judgement. :-). But by all means, if you feel you don't need the same protection that I feel I need, I'm not going to tell you that you do, K?

Listen, if you need a 100 round clip to take out even three bad guys you need to give up on the gun and get some other form of defense BECAUSE YOU STINK AT IT! You're going to get some innocent person killed because you are a terrible shot. Even if you were talking a freaking BB gun you must be a horrible shot.

I think they're trying to outlaw 30 round clips or what ever random number the politicians are pulling out of their ass&s, but I'm still sticking with my point, I don't need you or the government to tell me what I do and don't need. Now stick to the point, these guys wanted to kill and eat women...

The best time to take the advice of blue unicorns is after a few 'shrooms.

Me too. I second that.

LMAO! Thanks for the laugh Dr. However, you owe me a new keyboard, I spewed Diet Coke all over mine!

That was The Old way of the saying

It seems that no one speaks that way anymore.

Shame

We are what we see on TV.

we are what we eat ... oh wait ....

Wow warren, you are a really weak minded person if you become what you see on tv. Seek help.

Oh my....this world of ours just gets sicker and sicker! A whole group or online community of these types of sicko's?! For everyone that has someting to say regarding "rights" I bet you wouldn't say that if it were your wife, mother or child that was being targeted. Lets say this weirdo gets 5-10 years since he really didn't quite harm anyone PHYSICALLY....do you think thats going to curb his "appetite" or stop those thoughts of his? How about all those OFP (order of protections) out there that women have gotten because they were threatened....did that stop some of those sickos from killing some of them? How about rapists or child molesters that have gone to prison, been released and struck again? When you have a individual that thinks of these sick things, put thoughts into a PLAN please tell me you would really feel safe around someone like that EVER! These people need to be institutionalized forever plain and simple!

Tasty tail! Thats what we call "beaverus bangkokus" or the exceptionally lovely Thai bar girl. I have several thousand "taste tests" under my belt. So far they have all survived he experience with deep gratitude and returned lust! This guy does sound pretty sick but then he is a cop that should tell you all you need to know about the sick bastad to start with. Matter of fact if you don't eat a beautiful young lady first you could be prosecuted for tampering with pure food later after you have completed the dirty with her.