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Subscribe to RSSEight elementary school students in Memphis, Tenn., face discipline and possibly juvenile charges after a 7-year-old brought a gun to school and passed it around on campus.
Memphis police were dispatched to Ross Elementary School shortly before noon on Tuesday when school officials reported that students had a firearm, NBC station WMC-TV reported. When officers arrived, they found the gun in the possession of a 10-year-old boy. That boy was arrested.
Police said that the gun was loaded and that the 7-year-old boy had brought the gun to school to show friends.
District officials said no injuries were reported.
On Wednesday, school principal Evette Smith sent a letter to parents that was obtained by WMC-TV.
“School administrators and Memphis Police Department will strictly discipline in accordance with the law and (Memphis City Schools) board policy,” the letter read.
Sgt. Karen Rudolph of the Memphis Police Department told NBC News that all eight of the students involved -- boys whose ages ranged from 7 to 10 -- were issued juvenile summons to appear in court for carrying a weapon on school property.
No other details were immediately available.
A representative from Memphis City Schools was not available.
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Sad. Just pathetic.
Yes, this anti gun thing has become sad and pathetic.
The messages of gun owners have become pathetic. Our gun problem has always been tragic!~
I'd bet this gun was obtained legally by the kids parents. Maybe some tougher gun control would keep the guns out of the hands of the people that SHOULD not have them. I own three guns, but there is no way my 12 year old will gain access to them.
Yea, If a 7YR OLD can get his hands onna GUN, it shouldn't be hard for ME!
Whiskeyfire. Was that sarcasm about how parent got gun. Wether it is legal or illegal it was the job of the parent to keep it secure. Too many parents think they can hide it. Kids see everything and hear everything and every parent should realize that.
Whiskey, the lil fellas have to be able to read, "Gun Free Zone" first before any gun control can work! = )
I am pro gun but some people are just too stupid to own them.
There is no way a 7 year old would be able to get his hands on one of my guns.
If you have kids and guns you need to educate your kids about guns. They are not toys.
What caliber was the gun?
What was that about not needlessly punishing "responsible" gun owners? The irresponsible gun owner in this case should be charged with child endangerment at the very least.
Fisher, I agree 100% it's the parents responsibility. And because they failed with this responsibility I feel their right to bear arms should be taken away. This could have so easily been a tragedy instead of just a story today.
Texas...saying "There is no way a 7 year old would be able to get his hands on one of my guns" is dangerous, stupid, gullable and unrealistic. I can say "There is no way a 7 year old would be able to get his hands on one of my guns" because I do not have any. I don't care how well you secure your guns there is no such a thing as ZERO chances a kid could get one of your guns unless you are perfect and perfection is not human.
What difference would that make? A .22 can kill in the wrong hands.
Cayeres
I can say it with confidence. Unless the kid can pick a safe I'm pretty secure.
The parents of a seven year old child are likely to be quite young themselves, most likely under age 30. In today's world, the odds that a man under the age of thirty is a legitimate owner of a handgun aren't too good anymore! There are some, but given that a decent pistol is going to run $500 or more, most people who get them for lawful uses have matured a few years since age 21 and they've got enough of the basic things taken care of that they can afford to drop a few hundred dollars on something that's not one of life's essentials.
Most men I see younger than age 30 that have possession of a handgun are criminals of some sort or another, usually involved in drug or theft rings and often with some kind of gang affiliation. A lot of times they acquired that gun through theft, street trade in exchange for ???, or purchased it with ill-gotten gains from their criminal enterprise. However, there are a couple of things they're not going to be buying. They'll seldom if ever get a holster for that gun, and in no case will they be purchasing a safe or vault for it. They do know better than to be caught with a handgun as they're either using it in furtherance of a drug crime, ongoing criminal conduct, or they're already a convicted felon. The preferred storage method is to stash that gun wherever is handy - waistband, pocket, sofa cushions, car seats, etc. They want to be able to retrieve it when they think they need it, and ditch it when they think they need to not have it found.
It should not be assumed that the source of this handgun was the child's parents, however. Children of young parents tend to have young uncles and often cousins who are young adults, and that could be the source of the gun. Criminals are not above hiding illegally possessed guns in the homes of relatives. Unfortunately, the gun could also have been found in the child's neighborhood. Bad guys don't seem to care where they ditch a gun they don't want to get caught with, as long as it's not on them when they're patted down by a police officer.
Everybody says there is no way my kids will get to my guns. How many of you had access to your parents guns while they thought the same thing. When you have a gun in your home the chances that I or someone in my family will be killed or injured increases.
Cayers- I understand that you're not a gun owner. Therefore you probably don't have a gun safe. But I can guarantee you that there is no way my 12 year old is getting in to mine.
TiGor - That was the most stereotypical and uneducated post I have ever read. "Most" people aren't having kids until their late 20's early 30's. And if you know so many <30 male criminals you might want to find a new group of people to hang with. I personally don't know any gun toting, drug dealing criminals.
does memphis have a...stand your playground law...
And the beat goes on, and on,and on....there are 88 killings daily in the USA, daily...,but in Great Britain,population of 63 million, they have under 40 killings per year...they do allow gun licenses for hunting rifles and shotguns.They had one killing by handgun last year...one.
Our Founding Fathers permitted the ownership of Human beings....and that ended...it had been believed that Slave Owners needed to own guns to put down slave insurrections,and that non-slave owners needed guns to protect themselves from angry slaves who wee fleeing their owners.
Our early government also forbade women from voting, and that ended, and they forbade women from owning real estate...actually,men too,could not vote unless they owned real estate. Our government forbade liquor sales for 10 years or so, and then they changed that,too.Laws change all the time,as society changes and matures. We are not a mature nation,today,in the area of gun laws.
Our laws are based upon English Common Law, the English toughened up their gun laws, and we can too....and we should....Americans, 50 or 60 years from now,will look back upon our Wild West attitudes and permissiveness about gun laws, with perplexed amazement.
When America gained its independence, the Founding Fathers felt that there was a chance that Great Britain might go to war with us again, they were correct,and home defense was needed,but...a big problem, was that George Washington did NOT want a standing US Army, due to the expense,among other reasons...and it was felt that a militia was necessary...,hence the 2nd amendment, but, over time, the militia became State National Guard units,AND the US Government came to realize that a standing army was necessary.
State National Guard units are well armed militia units,in essence. We do not require millions of Yahoos with semi-automatic assault rifles running around....who,ostensibly believe, that they are a "militia",and that they can "protect" the USA.They cannot..I belonged to a Rod and Gun Club for many years, and most members were out-of-shape,and they spent their time playing cards,horseshoes, and drinking beer,hardly a "well organized militia".
Whiskeyfire, you crack me up, really. Nice use of sarcasm! Yes, most RESPONSIBLE adults aren't having kids until they're nearly 30 or later, but there are still a great many women bearing children before the age of 20, and many of those children don't grow up with fathers so much as they do a string of their mother's boyfriends.
Did you not pay attention to this article? This happened in Memphis. Check out the crime stats there, and you'll find they're among the nation's worst. Every social ill imaginable is found in abundance there.
By the way, contact with young men who are career criminals is part of the job. Being acquainted with them professionally doesn't mean that they're who you 'hang' with.
alright gun-nuts, whats the justification this time for 7-year old's playing with real guns that are loaded? Please enlighten me!
TiGor - If part of your "job" is dealing with criminals then obviously have created a very biased opinion. Just because the norm for the people you are associated with is less than desirable does not mean that society as a whole is also less than desirable.
No one is justifying this. The NRA does more to promote gun safety and teaching kids not to play with guns than any other group.
the TiGor
ROTFLMAO! Where the @!$%# do you live? I bought my first handgun when I was 17 and am not, nor ever was a criminal. Most of the people I know owned a handgun before they were 30. Seriously your post is one of the most ridiculous speculations that I've read on the Vine to date. I'd say that you were talking out your ass but it's hard for me to believe that even your ass could be that naive.
How many 20 somethings do you know who actually don't spend a dime on anything that isn't one of "life's essentials". Because most of the people I know in that age range blow their money on all sorts of things that they don't remotely need. Fancy cars, ATV's, boats, jet skis all of these things cost far more than a gun, which they also buy several of.
Americans are a group of people who spend their time reacting to salacious tidbits of dribble put forth by the media. This is yet another poorly written article. Shame on you. You should demand better.
liam,
Repeat after me correlation does not prove causation. GB may have fewer murders but there is no evidence that gun control will reduce crime. In fact John Lott published a study purporting to show that more guns equateas to less crime. Crime in the US is at a 40 year low despite the fact that gun ownership is just as high. I don't know why GB has such fewer murders but blaming the tool instead of the perp is nonsense. Do you also blame the obesity problem in the US on eating utensils?
There is no such thing as a guarantee. Ever.
too much of this; lock up the ' assasins in training', and the parents.
The article didn't say whether they were members of the Crips or Bloods....
There is no justification... The parents are idiots.
I personally don't know any either - nor do I hang out with anyone who does
but that doesn't mean I don't think they exist...or that they aren't a threat to society
Backcountry, Where do I live? Middle America, 2013. I imagine you live in the back country somewhere, no?
Presumably that was before the Gun Control Act of 1968 took effect, because when that happened no one under the age of 21 could lawfully purchase a handgun. If you bought your first handgun when you were 17 and it was after that, only the first half of your statement would be true!
In some places, at some times, this was absolutely the case. I know a few people, myself included, who owned handguns long before age 30. There was a spate of mid-20's bachelors I knew in the late 1990's buying 9mm pistols for no other reason than just to have them because it was an 'in' thing to do, but they were what was once known as the 'rich playboy' set. Daddy's money bought them lots of nice 'toys' - cars, motorcycles, maybe a boat or two. But these were the exception and not the norm.
Most people who inquire with me about what handgun they should be getting or who inform me that they just bought one are usually in their mid-30's to about age 50, own their own home, and are otherwise fairly well 'established'. They're not gun people, just average folks who have figured out that they might want to have a firearm on hand. Dropping $500 might not be something they'd do thoughtlessly, but it's hardly a burden on them. In the last 20 years, I can't think of anyone who was under 25 or so working to make ends meet and raising children ask about buying a gun. They just couldn't afford it! It's always been bachelors or people who have started to make some decent money after some years of working.
Sounds like you know that 'rich playboy' crowd I referred to earlier. In most communities, you have a lot of young adults who either aren't working because they can't find a job, are seriously unemployed and working a part time job while living with their parents, have student loan debt that they'll be carrying for the next several decades. Paying off a school loan is essential, no way around it. Having a car that gets you around without always breaking down isn't a cheap proposition these days, so most young people have a car payment. If you aspire to do much of anything in life, you do just about have to have a computer and internet access. Housing, food, and clothing take a good size chunk out of most younger folks' takehome pay. That hasn't really changed over the years. Young adults spend money on a lot of things that aren't absolutely necessary for survival, but for most of them, buying a $500 handgun is a long ways down the list of priorities, and as far as I can tell, a lot of them don't even think about it until they're well over 30 and start to wake up and realize that they're not immortal and that crime does happen and could happen to them.
Why is it that the urban Democrat centers are also the Liberal centers and crime centers.. All of us are being judged by these same people that are the problem.. Long gone are the days of good quality firearms at low prices.. I was 22 living in Texas and owned a .44 mag revolver and a .556 semi auto rifle.. Ammo was cheep and plentiful, 100 rounds of .556 for under $15.. My 19 year old wife and infant child we provided for via my full time job.. So what has changed in 30 years?? Inner city gangs and crime now dominate the urban landscape, that same ammo has been selling for $1 a round and 99% of country people and lifestyle have not changed.. Time to fence in the cities and make them prisons, where is Snake Blisken when you need him..
Whiskeyfart's remark 1.16 is the most ironic post I have ever read.
I'm only in my early 30's and I have never known anyone who, in their 20's, bought any of those things. You must know some pretty ridiculous people.
Greater population density generally leads to greater levels of crime. It is also because cities are where poorer people generally tend to live and there is a correlation between poverty and crime.
No they don't. I've lived in a major city for 6 years now, and close to some pretty rough areas, yet not been a victim of crime in that whole time. How could that be possible with gangs and crime being as you say? Answer, it's not.
You do realize that cities can be broken down into different neighborhoods, and that crime generally occurs (or is committed more by people) in certain areas, so you would be basically blocking in the 95% of good people in with 5% bad. In many ways these cities are also keeping the economy moving, so you'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
@Texas
What difference would that make? A .22 can kill in the wrong hands.
It makes a whole lot of difference. It could have been a bb gun or a toy gun..
the TiGor
Wrong. The GCA of 68 made it illegal for a licensed dealer to sell to anyone under the age of 21. Private sales were not affected at all.
With all due respect, I've been reading your posts for a while and it is painfully obvious that you don't know half as much about guns as you pretend you do. Google is not always your friend.
No, not even in the ballpark.
You are talking out your ass again. Your comments are 100% speculation. Handgun ownership is prevalent in my state, we have the highest rate of CCW permit holders in the country. I see 20 somethings shooting pistols at the range all of the time. Sorry, but you can not provide one shred of evidence to back your claim that most people under 30 with a handguns are criminals regardless of how much effort you spend attempting to come up with reasons why young people wouldn't spend 500 bucks on one (btw, yo can buy a brand spanking new Ruger pistol for 350 bucks and of course many revolvers, new and used are well under your $500 example)
Backcountry164
Now we get to see how you really are.
You have not been reading the TiGor's posts. You've been reading into the TiGor's posts what you want to think he's saying and completely missing his true message. It is true he speaks only in generalities, which is very wise on his part because generalities are all that is relevant to the Newsvine audience. This is not a gun forum, it is a news story comment board. The TiGor does a very good job of keeping anything he has to say about firearms in relation to the story at hand or addressing misinformed or erroneous statements in other posts.
If you were paying attention, you would notice that the TiGor always qualifies his statements with words like most and often. He never states that everyone is or does something always or never.
The TiGor didn't belabor the point, but I know he won't mind if I elaborate in his absence and clarify what I'm sure he meant to communicate. When the GCA went into effect, most states passed laws shortly thereafter which mirrored it. MAYBE yours did not, because you make it sound like where you live there is a gun store on every street corner. In 40 of the 50 states it is illegal for anyone to sell any firearm to any person under the age of 18, let alone a handgun. The few that don't have any state law are places like Alabama, Georgia, and Wyoming. Everyone thinks that Florida, Texas, and Arizona are all gun fanatic states, but they have minimum age laws for firearm possession.
Just so you know, Section 922 of Title 18 of the United States Code contains a provision that reads:
That law has been on the books for many years, and it IS NOT limited to FFL dealers. It says a person, which means ANYONE. And then it says ANY PERSON WHO IS A JUVENILE in the next clause. So no matter what the law of that state you live in you say is so magnificent with guys just out of high school running around with tens of thousands of dollars worth of toys may be, purchasing a handgun at age 17 would be a violation of Federal law for both you and whoever you bought it from unless it was decades ago, before that provision was put in. It's been there a long time.
Thats a load of crap if there ever was one. You have no respect for the TiGor, and it shows in your posts. With the language you use, you probably don't have much respect for yourself, either. Your atrophied ego doesn't count as self respect, either. Your bashing the TiGor by insulting his knowledge he so generously shares with the Newsvine community is a classic trait of an inferiority complex.
I am quite familiar with guns, enough to know that the TiGor knows them very well. I'm also astute enough to understand that he writes for the Newsvine audience and that means he has to simplify some things and omit many others. Anything he is going to state will have exceptions to it, but in the grand scheme of things, everything I have seen the TiGor post has been absolutely correct EXCEPT IN THE EYES OF CLOWNS LIKE YOU WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT MUCH.
I doubt highly that the TiGor uses Google much. It's obvious from how he writes that he speaks from his own experience. If he used it, he'd probably post some links every now and then, and I've never seen him do that in the years I've been reading his posts.
Newsflash for you, numbskull! Virtually every comment on Newsvine is speculation because they are written by people who have no knowledge of the story beyond what has been reported. What the TiGor does is make people aware of possibilities and contributing factors that the news reporting either doesn't know about or isn't going to go into in the course of reporting the story.
Here's where you really proved to everyone what an idiot you are. "In my state". "We have the highest rate". When you write that, it should be obvious to you that the whole rest of the 49 other states ARE NOT like YOUR STATE. What you claim happens there may very well be true, I'll give you that. But the TiGor wasn't saying anything about YOUR STATE. He was telling us how it is in MOST states out there, and I agree 100% with his assessment of things. He knows what's going on for MOST Americans.
He never said that 20 somethings never own guns or never shoot them. What he said was that THE MAJORITY of people who he sees buying the handguns and going out shooting them appear to be older than approximately 30 years of age. He is absolutely right about that. I know from experience that a lot of people one sees shooting at any range are also shooting a gun that does not belong to them, and the younger they are, the more likely it is that they're using someone else's gun.
I think all the evidence needed to substantiate his observation is in the daily newspaper. Try reading one sometime. Most of the guys who get pinched for possession of a firearm while engaging in criminal activity are, in fact, under 30! Most could not legally possess one as it was. Obviously getting a gun was a priority for them, given how they spent their time, which doesn't seem to include any hunting, plinking, or target competition. They wanted a weapon, they got one. If you want a gun for purely recreational use, MOST people are going to hold off until they don't need the money for more important things like food, shelter, clothing, or transportation.
Most urban youth with no meaningful exposure to guns and shooting and who have no place to go do it or any friends or family to do it with drop their money on what they do know and use where they live and who they're with, like video games and smart phones.
Do you mean to tell me that you don't understand that $500 is an AVERAGE figure he's using? Hell, a lot of the good ones will cost more than that! Sure, a Ruger may be $350. You'll have nearly $500 wrapped up in it with sales tax, a few boxes of ammo, and a decent holster. It's still not a Glock, a SIG, or even a Smith and Wesson. Ruger is OK, but they have next to no military or law enforcement market, which says a lot about their product. I don't even see anyone getting overly excited about their take on the AR, either. Ruger is to guns what Chrysler was to the Big Three. They had an OK product that wasn't as expensive as the others, but they always stayed a distant third. The revolvers are irrelevant because hardly anyone in the younger generations wants one regardless of the price.
Sheesh.
"... but there is no way my 12 year old will gain access to them..."
Did somebody just start up the speed boat to hell?
B. Engall
A few months ago there was a shooting in Sweden and Tigor made a post wondering why they referred to the rifle using the Swiss word for carbine instead of the German word. When I pointed out it was the actual name of the rifle he comes back with another post talking as if he is familiar with the rifle and it's performance. So first he doesn't know why they call the rifle by it's actual name and then he's an expert on it. Internet "know-it-alls" aren't too hard to pick out.
LOL! btw, it was a PRIVATE sale so you are as wrong as he. The law he mentioned SPECIFICALLY didn't apply regardless of what you assume he must have meant to say instead. Regardless, only the sale of the gun would be a crime NOT purchasing it.
ROTFLMAO!! Right because the newspapers are just full of stories about law abiding citizens. Just because most criminals using a gun are under 30 doesn NOT mean most people under 30 with a gun are criminals. Durrrrrr. Surely you can't be too dense to figure that out.
Jesus Christ your long winded excuses are so @!$%#ing pathetic I can't remember the last time I laughed so hard reading a post! He said they don't buy handguns because they can't afford them. I pointed out that some are quite a bit less than his "average" making his point utterly invalid. Do you mean to tell me that YOU couldn't figure that out??
btw, if you're going to call someone else an idiot and a numbskull you should avoid making yourself seem like one in the process. Bothering on and on speculating about what someone else might have meant to say is beyond ridiculous especially when the central theme of his post was utter BS. Defending a BS post is pretty much the equivalent of putting on a dunce cap. I'd suggest you actually bring some FACTS to back your wild speculation next time so you don't look like a moron.
You want some facts, huh?
Go look up the article about " The Share of Homes With Guns Shows 4-Decade Decline" in the New York Times. The study it was based on shares what the TiGor already knew just from being around and watching what people have been doing. One of the things revealed was that the share of the population under age 30 that owned firearms of any type was only about 20%.
btw:
I remember that story well and it was in SWITZERLAND, not Sweden. The Swiss generally speak German, except for a few who speak French or Italian on the borders. The TiGor found it odd that they were identifying the SWISS carbine by a FRENCH name for it in a country that predominately speaks German. That was a perfectly valid question in my mind. I also believe the TiGor stated that he actually owned a vintage Swiss rifle. If he didn't have some expertise on it, he wouldn't have known or even cared that the article was identifying it as something unusual. Did you stop to think about that? Of course not.
The first sentence of your last paragraph...go back and read it yourself. You just proved that you're both a numbskull and an idiot for the reasons I just described in my last paragraph.
And neither are internet a-holes.
I hope they throw the book at the 7 yr old's dad. He gives all gun owners a bad name.
kid brings a gun to school.........ban the gun
kid brings a knife to school........ban the knife
kid brings drugs to school......ban the drugs
How about fixing the problem with the kid and not concentrating on the tools???
Gun, knife and drugs are already banned from school.
They are working on the problem by charging the kids, and hopefully they will charge the parent whose gun it is.
Not good at thinking are you ? Or would you prefer to allow 7 year old to carry gun in school ?
Yeah I don't get it. Are you saying that guns, knives and drugs should be allowed in elementary schools?
Just ban kids from school !!!!!
Jo, how do you know the gun came from the parents home? Your assuming here, probably correct but not proven.
john 528...the Department of Education estimates that close to 100,000 guns per school day are taken from the homes of students to our schools. Most of them for "Show and Tell". The main reason why so many guns could be taken by students from their homes to schools is because their gun owning parents do not properly secure their guns and prevention systems at schools are easily defeatable. Gun owners already have a really bad name. Gun owners talk about cars when we have a mass shooting. They ignore the roles played by guns in all these SHOOTINGS. Most mass shooters are legal gun owners. Their kids take their guns into our schools. Maybe if gun owners work with us to reduce gun related violence the image most maericans have of gun owners will improve.
Why are we even talking about the children? The criminal is the parent or parents. We have laws for this criminal behavior. This gun should be traced back to its origin-how many criminals have been in possession of this gun? ATF do your job. I know this is more difficult than harassing honest gun dealers.
I agree with those who put the blame where it belongs.....on the adult who allowed this 7 y/o access to a weapon. Loaded weapon at that. As a gun owner I will put the responsibility of protecting innocent people by ensuring my weapon is secured on myself. Plus if I did have a child around I would also make sure that my child understands that the weapon is off limits. Do you teach your children not to play with the deadly chemicals in your house? Or the dangers of the hot stove or oven? Then why wouldn't you educate them on gun safety?
John...you could teach the children not to touch your guns but that doesn't mean they are going to learn that lesson. Kids are unpredictable and in many cases fearless. The most dangerous misconception of gun owners is "My kid will never touch my guns"!~
John - The ATF has been virtually completely neutered by the NRA and gun lobbyists in DC. They have not had a leader since good ol boy Georgie was in office and the presidents nomination for the head of the ATF was blocked by the Filibustering Senate. Hell Alaska just passed a law (3 days ago) making it illegal to enforce Federal gun laws in their state. I agree enforcement would be a great place to start but don't be fooled by the "we need to enforce the laws we already have" BS from the right, they are doing everything possible not to enforce a single one of them.
How do you know it was his dad"s gun? Maybe it was his mom's gun, or maybe he found it somewhere.
and the MSM ignore the roles played by cars, knives, bats, hands, feet ad nausium when they are used to maim, rob and kill people. Why just guns? Is there some sort of agenda at play here? I think there probably is.
a 7 yr old with a car,hands, feet, not worried. a 7yr old with a bat or knife, concerned. a 7 yr old with a gun, very worried if he can't be talked out of it. was it the colt that made everyone equal? no, guns don't kill people, but they sure do make it easier.
Can't fix stupid.
I'll blame the kids along with the parents. The kids should know better, especially as they are passing it around. If any of you think a kid doesn't know a person can be killed by a gun, you are delusional.
Only the criminal children are a danger. Most of the children aren't criminal.
Arm the children.
Poor kids they were armed after hearing LaPierre say everyone needed to have guns ! They were just being prepared to defend themselves from a possible criminal.
I don't seen the advantage of the arrest I think its foolish but they should should have a good talking to plus a strong talk with the "RESPONSIBLE"gun owner .Guns fasinates children that young and they don't realize how dangerous they are.
What are you smoking???
And that is liberalism in a nutshell. 'Never hold anyone accountable for their actions, just give them a talking to, but do not ever punish anyone because it is not their fault.'
That ideological idiocy is why we are living in the morality free country we have now. We can't even punish murderers, we must "reform" them so they can be let back out into society.
honest - You're correct, lets sentence these kids to death. After all the kid was arrested because he was holding the gun that another kid brought to school. I think the parents of the kid that brought the gun to the school should be held accountable. And I think they should lose their right to bear arms. If you can't control who has your firearm then you don't deserve to own one.
You're so right whiskey, it will definitely hold much more water to tell them "guns are bad" and to lecture them, that'll keep them from doing anything wrong again. Nothing should ever have consequences, that wouldn't be very liberal and tolerant of us.
honest, How can you arrest a 10 year old kid because another kid brought a gun to school? The consequences should be stiff and should be directed at the party responsible, in this case it's the parents of the 7 year old kid that actually brought the gun to school. Not the 10 year old who was holding it. If the parents of the kid were even a little responsible then this gun doesn't end up in a school.
Are the kids all locked up and have been sent away for life yet? No, didn't think so. They are being scared, that is all, they are not going to lock up any of the children. So stop pretending like this is the end of their lives.
Keep believing that discipline is bad and that all they need is to be talked to, that is why children are out of control today. At minimum they should all get a couple weeks detention just to show how serious it is, but you guys would prefer a good swift nagging.
When you do something that you know is wrong, you get in trouble for it. That should be the way our country works, unfortunately we have idiots that don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
honestdebate
No. It's not just liberals who see little point in arresting a @!$%#ing 10 year old. It's mostly just people with at least half a brain who feel that way.
Murderers are put in Prison, that is punishment. The idea that those who will eventually get back out should not be in some way "reformed" is ludicrous. If you have a puppy and he has a habit of biting people what do you do? Do you lock him in a cage full of rabid dogs or do you send him to obedience school? Crimes need to be punished but it's obviously counter productive to have a system where the punishment does little other than to make that person more likely to commit more crimes when they are released.
Have you notice that since the shooting at Sandy Hook more children have show up at school with a loaded gun and instead of listening what there saying, they are being sent to court or suspended from school...I swear the school system are falling part..The 6 year that show up at school about a week after the Sandy hook shooting said she brought the gun to school to save her friends so they don't die like the boys & girls did at the school last week...Instead of taking the gun from the child and explaining that there were people there to keep them safe..They call the parents and suspend the girl for 1 day and was thinking of kicking her out of there school...For god sakes she is 6 yrs old. Then like the 7 yr. old in this story, he was showing it around. He probable felt if someone came in the school to shoot it up he had a loaded gun to shoot the bad guy...Alot of these children were traumatize{SP} from the shooting at Sandy Hook...Now there gonna send this little boy in front of the judge scare him some more do you think it is gonna help him at all...When I went to school you brought something to school that wasn't suppose be there, it was taken away and at the end of the school day. It was given back to you usually with the note to the parents... WAKE UP SCHOOLS EXPLAIN TO THESE SMALL CHILDREN THAT GUNS ARE NOT ALLOW IN SCHOOL & pulling the trigger or dropping the gun how it can discharged explain it to them that they could kill someone by accident... How about sending the parents of this 7 yr. old who had a loaded gun for this child to pick up & take to school... But sending them to juvenille court and severly punishing them for breaking the ruled at school is not going to help them why should the other children get punished they were looking at something the child brought to school they had nothing to do with it and there all going to court 7 other children they look at the gun 7-10 years old...how many 7-8 year old was part of the 7 other children we know one was 10... I don't see middle or highschool children bringing guns to school...Just are small children after "Sandy Hook Shooting they don't feel safe anymore in there schools....Teach them to be safe instead of sending them home and to court....7 year olds are not even allow in a Juvenille Center....What are you gonna do to them "put them in jail that will really help them learn about guns and school....
Statistics show homes with guns present are where someone is most likely to get shot then homes with no guns. Hmmm, makes sense to me.
I am not against the 2nd Amendment but definitely against parents who do not lock-up these guns and keep them away from kids' reach. Only ignorant parents seriously believe it cannot happen to their kids or their kids would never do something stupid. Kids should not even know these guns exist in the first place.
I am also against civilian ownership of military-style weapons. If you miss your target in one to two shots, go take target practice.
Sorry to disagree with you about locked away guns. I showed my son and that was 39years ago what destruction they can do and never had any of my guns locked or un-loaded, to this day he still will not touch one. I know when the criminal breaks into your home you tell him wait a minute I need to unlock my gun, wait just another minute I need to load it, B/S, teach the children what it can do and they will not touch them. The ones that just see it lying around think it is a toy because they are not taught.
The parents should educate the children on guns. The kids don't listen to anything taught to them in school.
Julieann, I love internet statistics, don't you? Statistics show that people who use the name Julieann online, whether it's their real name or not, are most likely to not have a high-school diploma and are more likely to lie.
Nice thinking there, one or two shots... that'll sure help against the 4 guys participating in the home invasion. Shoot their buddy and they are going to have a field day with you.
Yevrah Kahn said that he "never had any of my guns locked or un-loaded". But the NRA and gun safety experts said guns must be locked unloaded with the ammunition in a different location. Sadly you are a typical gun owner. Most privately owned guns in the US are kept unlocked and loaded because gun owners are irresposible with their guns. That's why so many of your kids take your guns to our schools. That study said that kids take the guns on their way to school and return the guns to the house before the parents come home. Most of the time the parents have no clue their kids are taking their guns to school or handling them. You appear to be one of the fools!~
Just what would be the reason for a child to have a gun at school? He making a large Bank Deposit of money after school?
Julieann:
I disagree. I think children should be taught the importance of firearm safety, and get a good understanding on the fact that they aren't toys. They are dangerous. Teach them the value of life and responsibility. I think having a gun in the home, and keeping the children ignorant of it is just asking for more accidents. Even if you lock it away, at some point, there is a possibility it can be found, and the child will know nothing about safety. That sounds dangerous to me.
As long as dumb Americans insist on owning guns there will always be murder by guns. Ban them period and see how much crime decreases. make owning a gun a 25 year prison sentence then no one will want to be caught with a gun. But we all know Americans are not the brightest people on the planet. I live retired very safe in a country that banned gun ownership. Funny how there is very little crime here. Wow it does work.
Were not dumb Americans it is are right to have a gun all u have to do is take the time with your children and explain to them what a gun is use for how it is used...I am 63 years old and my dad own 3 guns that I know of they were in his bedroom closet with the bullets right next to them.. We were told our parents bedroom was off limits unless we were told to go in there......NOT ONCE DID I OR MY 4 SISTERS EVEN THINK OF TOUCHING THOSE GUNS.... It's the mental ill and gang members that make life miserable for the gun owners and Mr. Swift if they take all our guns. Guess what the mental ill and gang members will find a gun to used..So if they start using knives-baseball bats-swords-hammers-ax do u want them removed too???? Cause those can be a weapon, in the 80's my aunt was stabbed 66 times and when the young man that did the stabbing my aunt's liver was laying along side of her when he was done stabbing her. He told his dad in later years{after they may up} that when he was stabbing her he was thinking of his him{his dad}because this is what he wanted to do to his dad....Should we out laws knives too.........the bad guy will always have the weapon no matter if we have are guns or not.................If u live in another country why don't u stop commenting about our country........Stay out of ours country...............
David Swift-
I am so happy you moved out of the US since you don't appreciate the right to bear arms for protection-- for you and your family. Let me know how it works out for you if an intruder ever decides to make you their next target!
If that country was so safe why did you come to the states, just go home, we really don't need you here.
Its probably because of the dumb Americans that you can live in a safe country. I'd be interested in knowing which one it is. Lucky for you, you escaped our so call hell hole and got to another country. Sounds like a great fit. We sure glad you left. Here in America, we're about freedom and personal responsibility. Sounds like you made the American choice, by leaving. Good riddence.
Well, david swift you have the answer to your gun banning question, you do not live in this country so keep your nose out of it and any time you feel froggy enough to take them, bring it on.
David Swift, please don't ever come back to the US, you little self righteous whiner.
I think Pray Hard said it all.
Dumb Americans are called gun owners. The rest of us are smart!~
Like your Azz your remarks belong where you are. You Probably went there to dodge the draft and now that we don't have a draft you want to come home but can't.
Please keep your libturd ass in that "safe" country because you are not an American!
My guess is David moved to Bull$hitistan. Sounds like right where he should be.
David, you are so right. Sprechen sie Deutsch? No, thank them Americans for being so dumb.
Bob Woodward helped bring down Nixon - Now calling out Obama for lying to the people
Woodward writes the White House has been deliberately disingenuous about its role in the sequester, and accused Obama of “moving the goal posts” by insisting Republicans agree to new tax revenue as part of any substitute for the sequester. “That was not the deal he made,” he says.
Woodward’s report has rankled administration officials, particularly since it undermines the narrative the White House has been pushing ahead the March 1 sequester deadline.
The administration does not directly dispute what Woodward’s reporting.
“It was said very clearly: ‘you will regret doing this,’” Woodward told CNN. “I’m not going to say [who], a very senior person. It makes me very uncomfortable to have the White House telling reporters you’re going to regret doing something you believe in.”
I've checked up on Woodward and he should be writing for FOX.
Woodward has been doing it right for years. His credibility is beyond reproach.
However, this should make a lot of people who weren't skeptical of Obama, very skeptical now. Obama is the king of smoke and mirrors. Sooner or later his lies are bound to catch up with him. This is just the beginning. Mark my words.
boy talk about going over board. I wonder if they are gonna charge all of those 7 and 10 year olds with?
Jesus Christ almighty people grow the @!$%# up already and quit over reacting.
Amen to that! Discipline the kid who brought the gun - dumb, even for a seven year old. But if there is something like that - a tangible symbol/implement of power, how many seven to ten year olds are NOT going to touch it, if it is there and being passed around? Might as well tell them not to go to scary movies or other things - just the nature of kids, you know it's bad, but you gotta touch it.
This is a real problem with our society - instead of facing problems, admitting they exist and working with them, the fools in charge think that they can issue imperial edicts and everything will go as they say. Government tools think that they are dealing with putty people - no will, no intelligence, just exist to work and do as the all-mighty gubmint dictates.
In my time in grade school, something like this would have got a paddling for the one who brought the gun, put the fear of God (and principal) in him, then it's all forgotten about. No, not forgotten - lesson is learned, but put in the background - you don't NEVER want to do that again! Today, this will go through courts, kid will be turned into a social services case, gangster star, whole thing blown all to H out of proportion.
You're right.
It was no big deal a bunch of children were handling a loaded weapon in school.
What could have possibly gone wrong? It's not like no child has every accidentally shot themselves or others before.
Let's be sure to get all the kids a loaded weapon next time, right?
The Second Amendment comes with responsibility. Just because it's a right, doesn't mean you can leave a loaded weapon unsecured for all to use. Whomever the owner is, should have to surrender their right to bear arms for a couple of years.
Stoned-
I get your point. These kids may know the law, but they do not have the capacity to understand it fully. The parents of the kid who brought the gun to school should be charged, however.
The NRA plans to give those kids a special commendation for making their school safer.
You know bum, that is an irresponsible statement and it solves nothing and nobody with any intelligence will give any credence to it.
Exactly. The NRA response would be that we should arm all schoolchildren. That would make them safer, right?
Now EarlyOut- you're just being rediculous. The NRA is for RESPONSIBLE gun ownership. They would never support that and you know it.
perkinsb said "The NRA is for RESPONSIBLE gun ownership"!~ Is that a joke? Responsible will be to require background checks at all gunsales to prevent the criminal and the mentally ill from buying guns but the NRA opposes having background checks at private sales. Even terrorist could get guns that way since no background check is ever conducted.
Last time i checked organizations like the Brady Campaign offer absolutely nothing related to gun safety training. Who does? Oh yeah, that would be the NRA.
Saying the NRA doesn't promote gun safety is like saying the Brady Campaign doesn't promote gun control.
Who's responsible now?
We likes gunplay! It's cool not to study! This is a couple of statements made in an interview, 40 years ago.
These little kids should not be arrested for this. School officials and police have lost their f*ck*ng minds. Nobody and nothing was hurt except the self righteousness of the politically correct crybabies in society and who post here. Yeah, sure, admonish the kids, give them a lecture, put the fear of God in them, whatever, but ruin their lives when they're 10 and less by arresting them? Arresting kids this young is nothing but child abuse. This anti gun thing has gone over the top and into the realm of insanity. What will they be arresting your children for next? They have an endless list, you know. Get sane people, now. Insanity is a infinite downward unless we stop it.
The schools dont even care anymore about what they teach children anymore! This is what you teach children of that age to show no sense of reason just throw the book at all the children that handled the gun?
PrayHard said "These little kids should not be arrested for this"!~ Are you kidding? They brough a loaded, lethal weapon to school. There are consecuences for their actions. It is not that they stole Timmy's pencil. Their gun owing parents should also be arrested and charged.
The kids had probably seen Pres. Barry Borrock Soetoro Hussein Osama on TV shooting skeet, and, as a result, took a liking to guns. One decided to bring one to school so that he, and his friends, could shoot skeet like Pres. Hussein. They just could not wait until recess time to take the gun out and show it around. Makes sense to me.
With this president people better check their history, Germany, nazi's came into power and guns needed to be registered, people who did not agress with their policy were killed after all guns were taken away, check Russia, same thing after the Czar was gone and the Communist took over, again people had to register weapons and then thousands upon thousands were killed. I for one own guns and have never killed anyone, millions of Legal, Law Abiding Citizens have never killed anyone. This Assault Weapons is just the beginning of odumbos plan to take away our guns. Why not take away baseball bats, we kill more people with them, how about cars, again more killed than with guns.
And I thought I was alone! Thank you Yevrah!
Yevrah Kahn said "With this president people better check their history, Germany, nazi's came into power and guns needed to be registered"!~ Everytime we have a gun problem in our present gun nuts warm up their times machines and travel to the past because they have nothing in the present to defend their beloved deadly toys!~
My dad raised my brother and i with many guns in the home. When children get there hands on guns its becasue the parents didn't teach them not to touch one. My dad would lock the guns away and if they were out we couldn't touch them until he was around. Also my brother and I have been shooting since probably 2nd grade so we both know how to handle one.
Education system and parents really working here!!
If the schools would just teach Gun Safety and how to use one then the students wouldn't have to learn from each other.
You bring drugs and drug stuff to school,thats banned I beleve also so why not have a Pro Gun course,beats teaching them about how awesome Clinton was or how Obama is great.
Joey...that kid brought that gun from home. We should teach gun safety not to the kids but to their gun owing parents first. Gun safety training is designed to prevent gun related tragedies. The best gun safety tip ever is never bring guns to your home. That way the chances of anyone being killed or wounded with one of your guns in ZERO!~ I like that ZERO option when it comes to my family!~
The 10 yr old should know better. Give him a year's extra work that keeps his behind at home studying and give his parents a year's public service and confiscate the gun and any others in the home and ban them from buying another weapon!
you need help! Bill i sincerely hope you were kidding because if you werent then your
Thanks OBAMA for your new Bull S- - - gun laws. If you had any sense at all YOU would have enforced the 8000 gun laws already on the books and maybe just maybe figured out a way to teach kids not to play with guns. One way would be to start putting parents in jail for letting kids get hold of guns. Of course you want be able to find 90% of the fathers. This country does so much BASS-ACKWARDS.
What about the parents who did not do a good job securing the gun. The parents need to be arrested and the seven year old just needs a good talk and lesson.! More families that own guns will suffer a lot more than we can ever expect, when it gets into the wrong hands
First of all, IF it were my child, I would have no problem with what the school did, or the police. And I would HOPE they would arrest me too, as I would deserve it for leaving a loaded gun for my 7 year old to pick up and take to school.
Second, death by guns HAS already surpasses death by guns.... stricter laws and penalties concerning driving and cars has reduced that greatrly.
Third, it's laughable that you even made the statement that we kill more people with baseball bats.
Fourth, in the U.S. we have 8 times the number of gun related deaths than any other of the top 26 civilized, industrialized nations.
Fifth, in the U.S. we have 12 times the number of gun related deaths of our chldren aged 14 and younger than ALL the other top 26 civilized, industrialized nations COMBINED.
Keep arguing for the rights of anyone to have any weapon they want, and those numbers will just continue to rise. While I care about any one of our citizens killing another of our citizens, I am most concerned and ASHAMED that in our country, the Leader of the Free World, we have so many children dying, every day, because our "responsible" gun owners have their rights.
Turn on your spell check...how can anyone take your comments as serious with such terrible grammar?
So much made up and artfully created gibberish you have written with no real truth to any of the statements you made. First of all from the CDC and the FBI report freely published and available to those who search for it instead of "making up" the facts as we see here in your statement..Non-firearm Homicides in the U.S. were 16,799 and per the FBI the favored weapon was the Baseball bat. SO that must mean the United States is at the top of the list of all those "Civilized" Countries and we should ban screwdrivers, and Butter Knives using your statements...Firearm Homicides total came to 11,493, of those only 393 were NOT gang related and 5,452 were murders committed during armed robberies or "home invasion" robberies, many of which were committed by former Prison inmates on Parole.. As far as the 12 times the number of gun related deaths in "Civilized" country's you failed to mention some important facts here and are trying desperately to compare Apples and Oranges without any real knowledge of what you are talking about..
Now in the same period of time, Medical Errors killed 195,000 people So we should ban Doctors. Didn't you just love the crying act that Doctor put on for the TV cameras, he wasn't crying about those 195,000 people doctors killed last year due to their errors was he?? Unintentional injures that resulted in death were 118,021, so we should ban unintentional people, Unintentional Falls killed 24,792 so we should ban Clumsy people. Alcohol abuse killed 107,400, so we should ban Alcohol, Drug Abuse, the favorite of the liberals out there, killed 25,500, no great loss here.. so we should ban drug abuse, oh we already do that don't we...So you see you argument is totally worthless and obviously comes from someone with a bias or has a horrible mental fear of some kind.....One question I always ask Politicians especially Liberal Demoncrat Politicians and have written the President and have NOT received and answer..The question is...Why are you so desperate to disarm the law Abiding Citizen's of the United States knowing fully well that will leave the Gangsters and the Criminals of America fully armed and the law abiding citizens Defenseless?? I have not received an answer yet from any of them... But I do know that a lot of organized gangsters donated money to the Political Campaigns of the Demoncrats and via the Unions and their thugs hold many Cities hostage. So is that Political Pay back by Obama and other elected Demoncrats to let the gangs have their way with the unarmed helpless citizens?? Sounds like it to me..Not to mention the 8 Demoncrats across the Country who have already been caught Laundering drug money through their Political campaigns..Funny how the Media doesn't talk about that much do they...Sorry if I totally trashed you but, a dose of Reality for you...Oh, I spent 24 years working with Law Enforcement and I know the real truth and how the FBI does not always report 100% of the murders and other crimes, especially this Administration, they sort of fudge on the numbers like the Labor department does with the number of unemployed..Nor do Colleges report all the on-campus Rapes and Robberies that occur on Campus..It might give the College a bad name..The average large Public Colleges average 3 Rapes a week and over a dozen armed robberies and a half a dozen drug deals gone wrong....Again Liberal Demoncrats lying and deceiving you...
yes, I made a typo... death by guns has surpassed death by automobile. IT'S A FACT.
yes, In the U.S. we have 8 times the number of gun related deaths than any of the other 26 civilized, industrialized nations... and 12 times the number of gun related deaths of our children 14 years and younger, than the other 26 civilized, industrialized nations COMBINED. IT'S A FACT.
www.americanbar.org/groups/committees/gun_violence/resources/the_u_s_compared_to_other_nations.html
Now, take your irrational posts and load them into your guns.
When I was their age I already had my first six classes on firearm safety and at 10 I owned my own Winchester 22 Caliber Rifle. At 12 I joined a Rifle and Pistol team sponsored by a local Gun Club, in High School I participated in the High Schools Rifle and Pistol Team competitions and got my "Letter".. How the maturity of the Adults have changed since then. They've become fearful whiny liberals with an Agenda who get their kicks by brainwashing Children and mentally abusing them under the guise of Education and turning them into wimps like themselves afraid of their own shadow and dependent upon the inept incompetent Government to "Protect" them, which they cannot do, so they punish the Law abiding Gun owners instead, leaving the Gangsters and criminals fully armed...Smart Liberal Demoncrats at work, are they not! An embarrassment to the World, yet we arm the Syria Rebels with 60 million dollars that could offset the problems with the Sequester that Obama himself demanded in 2011 be made part of the Balanced Budget Act and now he is whinng over what he created...And you voted for these people??
Guns are usually kept in the PARENTS bedroom,then why are the children allowed in that bedroom, unless told to enter. And then the parent(s) should be in there.
The main problem, too many parents feel the children should have the run of all rooms in the house---no,no,no, this is not right. It's called the "Parents bedroom" for a reason.
In the U.S. we have 8 times the number of gun related deaths than any other of the top 26 civilized, industrialized nations.
In the U.S. we have 12 times the number of gun related deaths of our children aged 14 and younger than ALL the other top 26 civilized, industrialized nations COMBINED.
Keep arguing for the rights of anyone to have any weapon they want, and those numbers will just continue to rise. While I care about any one of our citizens killing another of our citizens, I am most concerned and ASHAMED that in our country, the Leader of the Free World, we have so many children dying, every day, because our "responsible" gun owners have their rights.
Please go back and read my response to your last bunch of B.S. you wrote above, you are embarrassing yourself every time you write something....and those numbers just do not compute and I would like to know the source of your numbers and a newspaper or magazine is not a reliable source. since the Hearst Corporation also owns some fo the foreigh media outlets as well...
I did and I gave you the link for the FACTS from the National Bar Association, you know, a LEGITIMATE AND RELIABLE source. Now go away with your BS.
Abortion deaths are up also, Drunk drivers use bikes and cars to kill , Drug addictions use needles and pipes, criminals use guns, bombs, knives, sex slaves, drugs, and don't give a @!$%# about YOU or your FAMILY or FRIENDS. Olympian blade runner kills out of Jealously O J s Battered women are beaten Also you need to get your facts up to date. These kids are dam lucky and just wanted to go for a ride in the police cruiser like they have seen there Daddy I'm sure hes a Felon with no TEETH
Hmmm, more hardened criminals - the STATE WILL TEACH THEM BY GOD - oops! sorry - BY OBAMA!!!! I don't know about any of you, but I wish for the good old days when we were totally out of control, dangerous, and blood flooded the streets. You know - the wild and out of control 80's before the progressives took over. The hypocritical progressives are more judegmental and out of control then the old church clergy they hate so much - but at least the churches didn't hunt the moral sinners with police and guns. As for you judgemental hypocrites tossing stones at the parents - talk about so high and mighty judgemental hypocrites. Why don't you watch your own lives as much as you judge others. The kid didn't kill anyone and the gun didn't kill anyone. Kind of makes me think he knows more about guns and common sense then you fools and the wussies running this country.
Yep, the gun did not "go off", how lucky all those children were. With just a little too much pressure on the trigger, and we would have a whole different story... but the children were lucky... so let's treat them with respect since they didn't "accidentally" kill another kid.
In our country, we have more than 12 times the number of children killed by guns than the next 26 civilized, industrialized nations COMBINED... yea they were lucky.
I don't want my children or grandchildren to die because someone's luck "ran out".
Again you have no idea of what you are talking about...Please tell us your source and it cannot be a newspaper or magazine or a Union newsletter....And your hero just enlarged that number of children being killed because he just gave the Syrian rebels $60 million of your tax dollars...Also remember in Islamic Countries children and woemen are not especially valued as witnessed by the number of children ladened with bombs and sent off to die...You might also add in the number of children killed by alcoholic parents, and do your numbers include the number of children who starved to death, but Obama can give the Rebels $60 million dollars?? No you have no idea of what your talking about...comparing Apples to Oranges..
And again, I have responded with the link from the National Bar Association.... whom I believe is a RELIABLE source.
Geanie,
First ,we read most of your gibberish propaganda the first time so you don't need to keep repeating it lest you look a little too needy.
Second, you do realize the USA is one of the more populated countries when compared to the 26 you keep talking about right? Try using deaths per thousand or per capita, etc and you will sound more credible. I'm sure your propaganda cheat proved by your liberal NBA will cover that even if it's still BS.
Lastly you better stop driving you grandkids around if you do. Statistically they are much more likely to die in a traffic accident than via gun.
You evidently have an issue with Facts. Even if you compare on a per capita, the U.S. IS IN THE LEAD for gun related deaths PERIOD.
I understand how this interferes with your irrational thinking. You are just one of the number of irrational, non-self thinking gun advocates in our country, and no amount of rational debate or provision of facts will change your "scripted" thought process.
And I would not consider the National Bar Association as a "liberal organization du jour" either.
However, I am willing to make a correction as I did find I had the info not totally correct: GUN VS AUTO DEATHS data. In 40 of our 50 states, auto deaths do account for 1 death more than guns per 100,000 people. In the other 10 states, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Virginia and Washington, there are already more gun related deaths than automobile related deaths. And for the other 40 states, it is estimated gun related deaths will be more than automobile related deaths within the next 2 years.
Is that enough info for you? The FACTS are, U.S. leads ALL countries in gun related deaths and it's only growing.
and here you go with your per capita (per 100,000) stats, when comparing APPLES TO APPLES:
U.S. exceeds the firearm violence of other nations when comparing to other affluent nations. Using the U.N. data, European nations -- even former eastern bloc countries -- typically have rates well below 1 per 100,000, or far less than one-third the frequency seen in the U.S. The pattern is similar in other advanced industrialized nations, such as Canada, Taiwan, Japan, Australia and New Zealand.
and here's you link... www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/23/facebook-posts/the-us-is-no-in-gun-violence-is-it/
I know facts can be hard to understand as long as you're not comparing apples to apples... you have a lot of other fruit in your posts.
Glad you learned something today.
I hold little credence in UN numbers. You shouldn't either. Try taking a look at overall violent crime in some of those nations. Things like rape, muggings and burglery are much higher so pick your poison. Lastly you should know a very large portion of those gun homicides are gang related.
So, do we have a gang problem or a gun problem?
have we become so stupid? yes the kids made a mistake, but that is what kids do. just take the gun away, give the father a ticket and a whooping to the kids, and problem solved, if they charge these kids they will ruin their lives for a child's mistake
People put child proof locks and latches on their cabinet doors to keep their children safe from household cleaners and other potentially toxic products. Why would anyone leave a loaded gun where a child could have easy access to it? It's just plain lucky that the gun didn't go off and shoot one or more of those kids passing it around like a bag of popcorn on the playground. Arrest the kids? I don't think so. I think the parent should be arrested, fined, and then made to attend parenting classes. You can put any kind of law on the books you want, but you still can't regulate stupid.
Agree, no excuse for parental common sense. My guns are in one safe with trigger locks on each gun. The ammo and clips are stored in a separate safe.