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Subscribe to RSSMiami Police are enforcing a curfew for children under the age of 17, citing safety.
Curfew hours are 11 p.m. to 6 a.m. Sunday to Thursday and midnight to 6 a.m. on Friday and Saturday.
Children under 17 are not allowed to "linger, stay, congregate, move about, wander, or stroll in any public place in Miami-Dade County, either on foot or in a vehicle during curfew hours," according to police.
NBC Miami
"I don't really need a curfew, but I do feel that a curfew is important because young kids like my age are dying in the streets," Keith Stewart said.
Players for Team Pete Basketball said they don't like the move.
"I don't really need a curfew," Keith Stewart said, "but I do feel that a curfew is important because young kids like my age are dying in the streets."
Other Miami youths said they support the curfew.
"Make them go home, do a little homework, get them home early," Robert Sanchez said.
Said adult Cesar Barrero: "Kids at that age … there's nothing for kids to do from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock in the morning."
Police say exemptions include if a child is with a parent or legal guardian or someone over 21 years old who has permission to be responsible for the child; and if the juvenile is working or traveling to or from work, traveling interstate, or has written permission to run an errand from a parent or guardian.
Other exemptions are if a child is helping in an emergency, traveling to or from a school or a religious, civic or county-sponsored event, is emancipated by marriage or court order, is homeless, is exercising First Amendment rights, or is on the property of his residence or a neighbor's residence who does not object, if the child is attending or coming back from a public event that began before 10 p.m. and has written permission, and if the child's activity is authorized by the county commission.
Police have not yet given reasons for the curfew, besides safety. But many people point to rashes of violent and sometimes deadly street crimes often involving young people.
"You know what's going on," Pete Soriano of Team Pete Sports said. "You got drug dealing, you got shootouts, kids getting killed left and right."
At Overtown's Gibson Park, manager Benjamin Hanks supports the curfew -- recalling all too well the night three people were shot at a youth football game last September. He believes a police presence, and the curfew, will help make the city's parks and streets safer.
"I think it's overdue that we need cops' supervision, more for preventive measures for the safety of people," Hanks said.
NBCMiami.com
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Good for the Miami police! Someone has to do what bad parenting won't.
I'am with you. I think it's a good idea. Now just try and get the ACLU to agree.
As in making laws for anything else, it won't work.
The Miami Police are now going to have to focus on kids after 11 p.m. (babysitting) rather than focus on what they "should" be dealing with.
I disagree, There will be those that disobey the law but there will be more that obey it, The police can now stop,question and detain anyone who obviously appears to be under age 17. Some of these individuals are engaged in criminal activities and this gives the police a legal method of interacting with these individuals for investigative purposes, Many of these individuals are the ones committing the crimes the police have to investigate.
Wasn't Treyvon Martin from Miami?
If I had a son he'd be nothing like Trayvon, and if I had a President he'd be nothing like Obama.
Creek Dog,
Now they can "stop and frisk" the young they find on the street.
Giving them more power to enforce already exiting laws.
gm Creek Dog
I agree. A good part of the reason why it won't work is the continuous erosion of parental rights, which some take as a reason to abrogate parental responsibilities. How do you enforce rules with a 15-year old when you can't discipline them?
You know what's pretty sad, what all of you read only happens in the black community, that does not happen in the whole Miami like most of you probably are thinking. When I see the news at night, it's 95% of the time in a black community, Why?
Yes America... it is all about gangs, not guns.
Yay Miami!!
You know, there was actually a point in time where the parents were held responsible for their children's actions?
As of 2011 there were recorded 56 deaths of children from the ages of 10 to 17 in Miami-Dade County. The same for 2006. Otherwise it looks like a downward trend.
http://www.floridacharts.com/FLQUERY/Death/DeathCount.aspx
(MIAMI-DADE for county and select the ages 10 to 17.)
56 is still too many. Make the parents culpable for their children. Get a parent in front of a judge because their kid is screwing up and it should make a change real quick.
An excellent decision.
Good news for the parents that don't actually parent in Miami, the State Government is there to bail you out on the back of the tax payers.
Good Work to the worthless parents in Miami.
Instead of the police telling parents how to do their jobs, why dont the Miami police do THEIR jobs and rid the streets of drugs and gangs? Then these poor children will be safe!
Kids of that age staying out on the streets all night are the problem involving drugs and gangs. They are killing each other.
fedup- 99.9% of the police do a great job! They can only do so much. When more and more people have kids and don't care about them and they just let them run wild. Most of these kids come from breeders and welfare herds. When these kids are out at 1,2,3, in the morning, they are up to no good. Police should not be afraid to use aggressive force when confronted by them. The parents should be held accountable for these kids. And trying to rid the streets of drugs, well, if the stupid americans did not take them, they would not be here. Stop supporting the drug problem! And as for the gangs, really don't care about what happens to them. You want to run the streets and hurt other people, well, what happens to you at age 14 is your own fault and your crappy parents for letting you off your leash.
I thought we were exporting FREEDOM to a couple of other countries, and that did not work either (costing over 1 million dead for those poor countries), but maybe these "KIDS" down in Florida then will be safe from "The Stand Your Ground Vigilante Killers/Gun Owners---"----
Most likely those very young people are not going to be voting for those control freaks, but they will be countering all the old retired republicans down there.
We need a new party in the USA, that has nothing to do with any politics, but simply can run a country, instead of getting involved at all with FREEDOM real freedom should not have to be discussed!!
Laws won't work? What right wing said that? I see his picture. Ok, let's do away with laws against stealing since they obviously don't work.
Police have to do the so-called responsible adults/parent's job it seems.
As far as attending to more important issues, the curfew is a result of murders and crime. Right wingers, dumber than a box of rocks
Yea, we know government knows more about my fu@king kids than I do. If I lived in Miami, I'd let my kids stay up that late just to tell a big FU@K YOU to the Miami City Council.
Instituting a curfew gives police a more valid reason to question someone who is out after 11pm and looks to be under the age of 17. They could have done it before but then people would be complaining that the police are out to get them and it is against the law.
@Denver Bill....that's a crock about eroding parental responsibility becase a lot of those parents don't take the responsibility anyway and others can't control their kids even if they try. So if the cops catch a kid out and takes care of the situation, just maybe that will eliminate one more crime. I live in a rural town. When my kids were younger there was a curfew in this town and it kept kids off the street and in the home or a friends home. If they were caught out they were punished. After my boys got in their teens, the recinded the curfew and now kids hang out on the square well after midnight and break-ins have multiplied. Yes, it will take some time to put the full force of the law into effect but if it is enorced rigorusly it will eventually help out.
This isn't a civil liberties issue, for some of the folks who seem to think so. These are minors we're talking about; there isn't a reason in the world for them to be out beyond those hours, for their own safety. No parent is perfect, and I'm no exception to that. But my son had a curfew already, and if he was supposed to be in a certain place at a certain time, he'd better be there, or he knew Mom and Dad would stalk his butt to the end of the planet. I knew the people he went out with and how to reach them and their parent[s] if he was going to be spending the night with a friend, or someone was going to be in our house. That was how I was brought up. Parenting is a lot more than bringing a kid into the world and hoping for the best with no effort involved.
I'm a little surprised this is even making news at all. Many cities and towns all over the country have curfews for minors, and I suspect they're much better for it all around.
And that is what is wrong with our country.
Waynero in post 1.19, I couldn't have said it better. Questioning juveniles out after hours will help curve some of the drug trafficking and gang violence.
"Other exemptions are if a child is helping in an emergency, traveling to or from a school or a religious, civic or county-sponsored event, is emancipated by marriage or court order, is homeless, is exercising First Amendment rights, or is on the property of his residence or a neighbor's residence who does not object, if the child is attending or coming back from a public event that began before 10 p.m. and has written permission, and if the child's activity is authorized by the county commission."
Ah, so in other words no curfew.
@creekdog....did you ever consider that the babysitting just might eliminate some crime because a lot of the baby's are out their doing it. How about you and everyone else support the laws and the cops and help eliminate crime instead of crying about it.
Trust.....yep you're a great parent. with your attitude see your kids in the joint. yep, you can let them stay up,,just not let them roam the streets .
Creek Dog
Right you are Creek Dog. Who needs laws. Everything should be legal. Need some money? Go take it from someone! It should be legal. Someone making you mad? Just shoot them down! No point in making laws for anything, right Creek Dog? Want to live and work in the US? Just come on in! Because there no point in making any laws! Laws don't work. People just break them, so there's no point! That's what my Friend Creek Dog says.
I suspect they try to (being sarcastic, obviously they do), but unfortunately they're not omnipresent. If you want to pay for more of them so they can patrol the streets more effectively and maybe actually catch them when @!$%# goes down, then that would be great.
Riiiiiight. But it's the criminals they're trying to stop here, and we all know THEY are the one's that won't follow the law.
This sounds just like the kind of curfew that is already on the books in many places, btw.
If the kids aren't afraid to sell/do drugs while carrying an illegal gun what makes you think they will care about breaking curfew?
Under 18
no drinking
no voting
no military service
no roaming the streets after curfew
......
Allow me to rephrase your statement: "Some parents can't or won't be responsible for their children. Therefore, the government is not eroding parental responsibility." Classic non sequitur.
Draw unwarranted conclusions much? The problem is not in the making of the laws; it is in the enforcement of the laws.
They won't, and that's the beauty of it. Instead of searching a flood of innocent kids, now all the cops have to do is wait until after midnight and search the kids who are still out. They'll find the culprits.
Exactly skup. Similar to the gun debate, the actual criminals out there won't follow the law anyway. And for those who think this gives police more power to do their job, no. They have no right to stop and frisk someone because they suspect they may be 17, and not yet 18. If they do, they'll be wasting more police resources on irrelevant issues, and less on dealing with the people who pose a real threat.
Ex, being out late does not mean they are a hardened criminal.
Creek Dog, I think you missed the mark on this one. When we were kids, there were curfews in almost every town around us, not to mention the curfew my parents in-forced. This was pretty much a standard thing. And there was a whole lot less violence, thievery, and a whole lot less juvies in detention centers. Children under seventeen have absolutely no business being out on the street at that time of night!! To me this can only be a win/win situation. Your children a lot safer, a lot less prone to do drugs and other illegal activies = less crimes. Which then equeals less space needed in jails, less court procedings, less money out of taxpayers pockets, and less chance of lifetime criminals. Doesn't sound like bad thing
More stupid laws, made necessary by stupid people.
like this: http://now.msn.com/oregon-man-jailed-for-collecting-rainwater
DenverBill2,
I would somewhat disagree. It has a lot to do with apathetic parents accepting they can't discipline their children. I know someone that gave a Judge a quarter, and told him to keep his son, call when he wanted to send him back home. What started it, was the boy threatened his father, then when punished, called CPS, and had him dragged into court. That lasted a day, before the Judge told him to come and get the heathen, that he had a better solution than time out, use it. It seems the boy wouldn't do time out. Actually, he went home, got his tail warmed up a few times, and ended up turning into a pretty good man. A little background, the father was not involved in raising the boy, due to divorce, and the boy's mother moved a long distance away, she died when the boy was a pre-teen, and had never disciplined him, so the boy's Dad basically inherited the problems. Not all cases are like this.
It is a parents duty to teach their children right from wrong, one should use all tools available to do this, whatever tool is the most effective. In many cases, I don't believe the proper tool is being used. That doesn't mean I advocate beating a kid senseless, what I do mean is teach a kid respect. When I was a kid, and showed any adult disrespect, back talked, or sass them, I could expect to be picking myself up from somewhere other than where I had been, generally from getting the taste slapped out of my mouth, so I didn't do that again. Then, when I got home, I got a reminder, got my seat warmed, and my mouth washed out with soap, just to make sure the point was well taken, that seemed to work, I still hate the taste of soap. Sometime old fashioned remedies do work, so that shouldn't be ruled out.
As with any right, when one doesn't exercise that right, you will lose that right. No one should be apathetic when it comes to their rights, and that includes parenting rights, stand up for them, and never accept defeat!
Actually Wicked my children aren't safer because of some law, my children are safer because I parent them, now for those parents that need the government to parent their children, then of course you are correct, well except for the ones that are just going to another law to break to their list.
any new law is a bad law until we get the thousands of stupid laws off the books.
Seriously? You're just instituting a curfew now!? WTF Miami! And you're setting it at 11? Where I come from curfew is 9pm for everyone under 18 and at 9pm every single night the tornado sirens go off to make sure everyone in town knows its time for all the kiddies to go home. And that's for a small rural town of 800 people and it's pretty much a state-wide thing. Why would a city the size of Miami not have a curfew. Ugh I hate city folk, you're all a bunch of morons that have no common sense... I mean you put Obama back in office for crying out loud, you can't be any more stupid than that.
Where do you live, Ebeneser? North Korea?
We can't pass any gun laws because criminals won't obey them. But we can pass a curfew law that the criminal 16 year old gang-banger selling drugs on a street corner and carrying a handgun will obey? Yea, he'll stop what he's doing and rush home so he isn't breaking curfew. The police also have time to actually enforce piddly laws like this?
King Jong Il - dig a little deeper into the case of the man jailed for diverting 13 million gallons of water and snow runoff on his land! Oregon does allow landowners to collect rainwater into rain barrels from artificial, impermeable surfaces, but not to create the equivalent of 20 Olympic sized swimming pools.
He was arrested under a law passed in 1925. This is hardly an example of "making more stupid laws."
Nor is a curfew a "stupid law." Doing nothing and making some useless appeal to parental responsibility is. If people cannot govern themselves or their children (as appears to be the case), they invite government enforcement - it is that simple. The cops are not being asked to be babysitters - they now have the power to act on the hooligans and wayward youth that they likely see every night on their rounds, and whose parents will never take responsibility. Frankly, I think that the parents should be held criminally responsible for repeat youth offenders.
Again we seem to want to treat the symptom instead of the disease. First what errands do parents send their kids out for between midnight and 6am?
Kid's will be kid's and I occasionally stayed out after midnight on weekends when I was 16 (not allowed to before that). I did however know what my boundaries were. And here is the big problem we have created an entire generation of kid's who know no boundaries. Yes kid's are being killed on the street and we need to stop that, but instead of asking why this is happening we remove the kid's, this can only be a temporary measure while we find out the Why.
There will always be bad kids who vandalise property and steal etc but punishing all kids for the bad ones is never a good idea.
Oh, I used to sneak out of the house and swing on the swingset at the park when my age was still in the single digits. That was a long time ago in a small, quiet town - yet there was a curfew then. I never got caught, but if I had, one of the cops was my parent's neighbor and I would have shriveled in humiliation.
Good kids caught by this curfew law will be given a talking-to and a phone call to their parents to pick them up, not punishment. We are a more populated and anonymous society now. Enforcing "piddly" laws like curfew, tagging, vandalism, etc., prevented small crimes into snowballing into larger ones and turned Minneapolis around from when it was known as "Murderapolis." (Remember that? I certainly do.)
Ah yes, and so it begins! First its 17 and under, then some demographics report will come out saying people age 21-30 are killing each other more, then its age 31-54, and then all of a sudden before you know it the curfew pertains to everyone! Have a nice day... oops I mean "SIEG HEIL"!
"Hey boy, go down to the corner, I need some more crack."
While I agree with the curfew in principle, it's pretty safe to say that if challenged in court this curfew won't pass Constitutional muster.
the ACLU shouldn't agree with this law as it is their purpose to defend the Constitution, not support and uphold local laws enacted as a supplement for parenting.
strange. I wasn't aware that minors aren't protected by the Constitution.
And again, I somewhat agree with this law in principle, but it'll be near impossible to enforce and will result in 18 and 19 year olds getting caught up in "curfew checkpoints."
It's a dumb law, even if it is extremely well intentioned.
I hated it when daddy would say "you better have your butt in the yard when the street lights come on" or momma saying "you better call when you get to beth's house, and don't go anywhere else without calling me." Oh how I hated that, having to check in all the time what was I a prisoner! No I am a human being! I have rights too. What is the most they can do to me? Ground me, whip me, ground me and whip me. Ground me whip me and then lecture me about how unsafe it is to be out late... I am a teenager I am imortal.
Now travel into the future.... my son says "mom can I go to jarek's house we want to go to best buy and look for him a stereo." "ok but no where else unless you let me know." "mom can sam and I go hang out at the park and play basketball?" "yeah but be home before it gets dark, in the yard when the street lights come on."
OH GOOD LORD! I've turned into my parents!!
Thank you mom and dad you taught me respect for you and those around me, i in turn taught my boys the same thing. They are polite, responsible young men.
@Amused Muse,
"Doing nothing and making some useless appeal to parental responsibility is. If people cannot govern themselves or their children (as appears to be the case), they invite government enforcement - it is that simple."
First I gave you a vote as in principle I agree with enough of your post to justify it.
I'm pretty sure that you misunderstood Kim Jong-Il's comment.
"More stupid laws, made necessary by stupid people."
He says that the laws are made necessary by "people who cannot govern themselves or their children (as appears to be the case)."
More stupid laws because they invite government enforcement. This is do to a lack of personal resposibility.
If people don't want their rights taken away or restricted they MUST be responsible for themselves and their children (also personal property, behaviour, etc.). Once upon a time there was NOT even a law for Jaywalking until enough STUPID people made it necessary to make one. This boils down to being a problem in Society. To many people want things quick, easy and now as well as many do not want to be the Bad Guy and discipline their children. People are also to busy and don't want to be bothered STAYING involved with our political process and then wonder why we are in such a mess. "Lets just Vote Em In and Forget Em" what could possibly Go Wrong there ;) seems to be the general rule as well in America. The beauty and weakness of OUR system is that Citizens have to participate, stay involved and be ever mindful of the fact that some politicians will take advantage of their positions when we are NOT paying attention. This of course causes some others to cheat as well and on and on it goes. Again this is do to a lack of personal and social responsibility by Americans. We only have ourselves to blame for all of this B.S.
I've seen MANY of Kim Jong-Il's comments and they are usually great.
Regards,
Brandon
A lot of you guys misunderstood my post or read it how you wanted to understand it. Do you really think all these kids are going to look at their watch and say "Oh, let's all go home now. Some will.
All the others will do is keep an eye out for the cops and when they see one, alert everyone around them and take off. It's "my" opinion.
Look, I'm all for it but don't think it'll make that much of an impact and it will take the cops away from other more serious matters rather than babysitting kids that the parents cannot control. Just sayin'.
Good morning. I little advice... Reach around, grab a handful of those bunched up panties, and "YANK" 'em outta there! You won't be so up"tight" anymore & it'll help you play a different tune.
I seen a movie with your name in it somewhere. It had the word "shallow" in it. Something like that...
Have a nice day...
@101doc,
That, that, that.....................was awesome! :)
Trying to improve something, any situation that is not positive, is a great start. Trying to get kids off streets and pushing parents and holding them liable with fines can be something to look into. At least this will start to make more kids stay home and less dangers.
@DrowningGrover,
"the ACLU shouldn't agree with this law as it is their purpose to defend the Constitution, not support and uphold local laws enacted as a supplement for parenting"
Riiiiiight...........When they aren't protecting America from Father/Daughter Dances and Mother/Son Baseball Games - LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZ and people wonder why my Mom, Grandpa, and Family friend chose to send my 2 little brothers and myself to private schools.
"Cranston, Rhode Island’s school district is banning father daughter dances after a group of lawyers, the ACLU, notified them a client was suing for gender discrimination under Rhode Island law. They found a single mother who claimed her daughter could not attend the dance, as the father was not part of their life.
The district also banned mother son baseball games while they were at it. Evidently the ACLU and the school district agreed the 21st century demands traditions are passé, antiquated, and the modern new world order must be politically correct, palatable, and gender neutral"
Read more: h-ttp://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/sep/20/aclu-stops-father-daughter-dances-rhode-island/#ixzz2MDFx4duE
@ 2Fast4U1701.
the ACLU also defended the right of neo-nazi's to stage rallies under the guise of free speech. I don't agree with neo-nazi's, but it's their Constitutional right to do/speak as they please, and the ACLU went to court to defend said right.
You may not agree with every action undertaken by the ACLU, as they don't tend to play political favorites and they defend left- and right-wing groups alike, but don't denigrate them. You may need them on your side at some point. They get a bad rap when they support something you disagree with, but then they turn around and get your back on something else.
{As an aside, the post you linked is a dumb blog post, after reading it I put exactly zero weight in it.}
Drowning, 1:47:
Of course minors are protected by the Constitution. And I am most definitely pro-freedom.
But for some of the people who sigh and say "oh, another law" when it comes to minors, my point is simple: It is up to adults to protect them. It should start with parents, but that doesn't seem to be working so well in many cases. On the flip side, there are plenty of minors who will be out and up to no good even with a curfew in place, granted. So I don't have a problem with law enforcement having the right to stop them and question them about why they're out at some unreasonable hour and just what they're up to.
I live in a large metro area in the Midwest. There is a curfew in the counties of the cities and towns which is as follows:
Juveniles under 12: 9 p.m. Sunday through Thursday to 5 a.m. the next day. 10 p.m. Friday or Saturday to 5 a.m. the next day.
Juveniles age 12 to 14: 10 p.m. Sunday through Thursday to 5 a.m. the next day. 11 p.m. Friday or Saturday to 5 a.m. the next day.
Juveniles 15 to 17: 11 p.m. Sunday through Thursday to 5 a.m. the next day. 12:01 a.m. to 5 a.m. Saturday or Sunday.
What, are we just supposed to throw up our hands and give up because some people refuse to parent their own children? Accept the fact that there will always be feral people out there, and just let 'em roam at will, then gripe and complain, or worse, wail in anguish, after something awful happens? Look, I find a lot of laws/proposals to be either redundant or unnecessary. But a juvenile curfew is just plain common sense. Maybe, just maybe some of the parents will wake up and start keeping track of where their kids are, although I'm not holding my breath on that.
Actually, we are mostly in agreement. There are a lot of apathetic parents who won't discipline their children. And I suppose there are some totally inept parents who can't discipline their children. But it seems to me that the government, in their tireless quest to protect us from ourselves, are hindering the ability of the parents who are neither apathetic nor inept to discipline their children. The Law of Unintended Consequences, as it were.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Sounds like your parents subscribed to the same child-raising plan as mine.
Absolutely agreed! But I will take it a step farther. It is not enough to exercise your rights. You must also defend them.
I think they introduced this curfew as
a reason to approach almost anyone on the streets around that time of
day/night. one cannot accurately gauge someone’s age in the dark, so this will
be an opportunity to ask for ID for anyone that is doing suspicious things
around that time. I think this may actually put police at greater risk for a
confrontation with drug dealers/gangs IMO. someone may have already stated what
I have said above, I didn't have time to read all the comments
@ Boreal Belle
I actually agree with you for the most part, just as I agree with the curfew in principle (as I've stated), but it's just a legislative and enforcement boondoggle.
While it seems like common sense, the cost of enforcement likely outweighs the benefits extracted.
I don't really know what the answer is honestly.
Down below "justacleaninglady" says (in post #2.17):
and I'd be more inclined to support these type of laws rather than curfews.
the freaks come out at night. think about it; school massacre's, all have been done by disturbed mentally-ill youth, that should say something. yeah, we know that; violently mentally -ill adults are also a problem. i believe; you do the crime, you do the time, No matter what the situation maybe.
however, i believe mental-illness is treatable & penal institutions are NOT always the answer.Living Blind to Matters on: Social/ Legal scales has been a Major Failure of Society. true, you can't fix Stupid, but We can change behavior patterns. kudos to Miami, for their efforts. youth running amok does Not make things better.......
"Said adult Cesar Barrero: "Kids at that age … there's nothing for kids to do from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock in the morning."
Um ... what about SLEEP???????
DrowningGrover, # 1.58:
I look at it from the common sense aspect and also as you mentioned; if law enforcement does question a minor out after curfew and determines there is not an exceptional reason for it, then the parents are involved. (Or rather, law enforcement makes the attempt to get them involved, at any rate.) That's how it works here in my area.
I'm all for holding parents accountable for the actions of their children; I'm off work today and sort of multi-tasking, so I haven't reached Justacleaninglady's post yet. But I could go for that idea as well. The very last thing I want to do is put myself on a pedestal, because I'm nowhere near perfect, and didn't rear a perfect robot of a son. But it was impressed on him from a very early age that actions have consequences, and one of the ways we did that was to make it very clear that his father and I could be held responsible for anything he might get into.
@DrowningGrover,
{As an aside, the post you linked is a dumb blog post, after reading it I put exactly zero weight in it.}
First it was faster than digging up the article that was in the Cleveland Plain Dealer and Lake County News Herald local news papers. There are plenty more out there covering that same issue rendering your logic a fallacy.
"You may need them on your side at some point. They get a bad rap when they support something you disagree with, but then they turn around and get your back on something else."
First I can't remember a time when I have liked them. They haven't done much with NDAA 2012, Habeas Corpus and such. Why get on a roll now - lolzzzzzzzz
Have my Back..................No thanks YOU can HAVE my share of those worthless lawyers (the reason that my Mom made her money in less than 12 years and got out of law) and the dept. of Homeland Insecurity as well.
Reason why I'm so generous.............See Below:
Partial Re-post:
Lets see where to begin.....................my Grandpa is a Korean War Veteran Marine, after that he entered law enforcement and went to law school, by the time he retired he was a Judge (in another state before we moved here).
My Mom is a recovering Lawyer and yes she did Criminal law for a time. When she told a client that if he refused to get another Lawyer that SHE would personally make sure he received the max sentence (the man was dirty as hell) is when she decided to switch to Corporate Law. Now she is a practicing Psychologist and often has dealt with the Criminally Insane.
A family friend that has been like a Dad to my 2 little brothers and myself has many in his family with similiar backgrounds that we often spend time with and learn from. His cousin is a former Marine and D.E.A. (with a lot of time in South America) now turned local law enforcement. His 2 closest friends from China Town that have been like older brothers since he was in his mid teens are private security with law enforcement and military type training and have worked with various law enforcement. His Ex-Father In Law retired from the RCAF (pilot) and then became an RCMP until he retired. Other than his Sifu the only Dad type person in his life is a former Vietnam Veteran Marine that kept volunteering for more until they said enough and asked him to teach the Rookies instead. After this he ended up joining the CPD until retiring 2 years ago. My Dad (I'll just call him that for simplicity) had a number of Military and Law Enforcement students. Both here and when he taught for a short time down in Norfolk, VA during college summer break and did some Security work with his "Brothers".
Add on: Almost forgot his Brother in Law is also in Law Enforcement. BTW- There are more if you would like.
Point being I'm already in GOOD HANDS. Thanks for your "Concern" though.......... ;) If I'm in so much trouble that I need more help the ACLscrU and D.H.(I)s are not exactly what I'm hoping for.
Regards,
Brandon The Progressive Liberal
The Civics, economics, psychology, business, engineering and other life skills that we learn from them (Our Elders successes and negative outcomes) far exceed my formal schooling
@ 2Fast,
first, for clarification, when I used "You" in my post regarding the ACLU, I meant it more in the 3rd person sense, not specifically directed at "you" as an individual.
The ACLU did try to fight warrantless wiretapping, the case got thrown out just 2 days ago (on pretty ridiculous grounds if you ask me, but that's the Roberts SC for ya)
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/supreme-court-dismisses-aclus-challenge-nsa-warrantless-wiretapping-law
I imagine this is likely why they have not vigorously undertaken fighting NDAA, 4th amendment shredding patriot act types clauses. Because they're prohibitively expensive to fight, and when you finally get them all the way to the Supreme Court, the case gets dismissed on ridiculous "you can't SUE the government" and other nonsensical "executive privilege" and "national security" grounds. It's unfortunate.
I'm actually quite surprised to see you call yourself a "progressive liberal" given your stance on the ACLU. I consider myself a "progressive liberal" as well, and I think we're just about the ONLY people in the country that show any appreciation to the ACLU at all (e.g., "conservatives" loathe the ACLU because they stand up for things like gay and civil rights, which is ironic because the ACLU also defends conservative causes:
All-in-all, that's fine, you're opinion of the ACLU is perfectly valid and I don't question it. Considering you label yourself as a "progressive liberal," one that I share, I'm more than happy to ignore our minor disagreements on this minor issue and continue to fight the good fight together on more pressing issues of the day. IMO, that's the beauty of BEING a "progressive liberal," we don't feel the need to move/vote/think in lockstep with one another provided everyone's respectful.
Now, back to the topic of curfews (and sorry for the long post)...
Less freedom every day.
I can see it now...
Dispatch; We an armed robbery in progress at the 7-11 on the corner of 5th & Main...
Cops; We'll be there as soon as we can catch these 3 - 17yr olds that were supposed to be home at 11...
Dispatch; Shots fired... I repeat, Shots fired......
Cops; OK. Tell them we'll be there as soon as we wrap things up here!....
Yes, I'm being sarcastic but it's just another petty situation taking the cops time and mind off the real situations.
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Devil's Son is pretty much on the mark...
When I was a kid in Philly, they instituted a curfew: indoors after 11PM. It was a very long time ago & I can't remember whether it was 17 and under or under 17. I do remember that my parents did their damnedest to be responsible. I do remember that the law was selectively enforced. And I do remember that we obeyed it- usually. When it wasn't too inconvenient.
That's what will happen in Miami with the cops and with kids whose parents try to be responsible. But not so much with kids who effectively have no parents, whose parents are in free-fall, whose parents work three jobs and are never home, etc.
I also remember, when I was fifteen, four of us walking home from a girl's house through a very upper middle class neighborhood. It was around 10PM and we really didn't look like we belonged there. We got stopped by two cops in a cop car. One kid ran away. The cops drove around looking for him but couldn't find him. None of us could remember his name. I remember getting rapped across the shins with a nightstick a couple times by one of the cops, due to my faulty memory.
That, too, has happened, is happening and will happen in Miami. After you forget the details of the infraction, you tend to remember getting hit by the cops. It does not improve your opinion of cops - and it probably doesn't improve your behavior. We have chronic ineffective parental support, chronic ineffective social support for parents in difficulty, and chronic, drastically ineffective policing, mainly because we don't want to spend the money it would take to do those things effectively. We won't even spend the money to give the cops adequate job training.
So I think this law is merely a band-aid, a sop to the public, saying, 'we are doing something' even though we are not doing what needs doing because we don't have the money - and you won't pay for it.
You're right and about time. Youth gangs create most of the Miami problems.
@Creek Dog
Even those 7-11 robberies are mostly carried out by young gang members, and yes, they do kill clerks after they empty their register. So for this particular area the article refers to, it is the right way of dealing with crime.
sounds like the start of a policed state....what happening to our freedom of choice, our free agency? This country is going to hell....
I would agree if the curfew was for adults but this is for kids under the age of 17 who really have no reason to be out and about after 11 pm on school nights. Evidently there's a problem with teens out late at night or else why would the city have to take these measures?
No, Idiot. Freedom and citizen responsibility go hand in hand. This is a valid response to a gang state. This curfew should be enforced in every major city in America where a gang problem exists until gangs are brought under control. Gangs are slaughtering people and you or a member of your family could be a victim as tens of thousands of other Americans are every month. Let's see how you feel when when you become a victim.
Chad, the country started going to hell three years ago, where have you been.
Ron,
Anyone posting their thoughts on the vine is just sayin'. Just as yourself.
This does not warrant calling them an idiot.
I have no problem with the curfew. I remember there being a curfew for kids when I was young. I think it was 10:00 PM. There is nothing good out on the streets late at night.
Chad- you are quite the drama queen. It is fair, reasonable and about time. If the parents or parent of these kids won't take responsibility for the whereabouts of their offspring the City has every right to restrict their activity after 11 p.m. These " kids" are just like the one's in Chicago killing each other. And it has happened quite a bit in Miami lately. If parents would do their job the municipality would not have to intervene
Chad if you read exceptions to the rule, they kids are alowed to express their right to the first amendment granting them the freedom to assemble peacefully. Now wether or not the children know what the first amendment is and how to express it is a completley different thing. Plus there are several other exceptions to the rule that are allowed. People need to read articles before responding!
Miami, is it a third world country? Lol Isn't it in Cuba or somewhere down there? Lol
Throughout history the rights of the weak and of the few have been taken first and when that becomes the "norm" they slowly start to chip away the rights of the next group....then one day we look back and wonder what happened.
What is sad is now we are looking for police to babysit....Why don't we hold the ADULTS...PARENTS accountable?????
AJ - ".Why don't we hold the ADULTS...PARENTS accountable"
Because that is what that is what the State and Federal Government are for, how did you not know this? How is this any different then the school systems feeding the children breakfast because the parents refuse, or keeping kids in school all day so they can study because the parents don't make them do it at home.
AJ-1937365
There was a time when they did hold the parent accountable. Ahh, the past. Sanity tasted sweet then.
No need to ask what happened when we have a front row seat.
You serious? This is in one city and the curfew is for children under 17 who don't meet the criteria for the exemptions. Personally, I think it's a great idea and I agree with the statement that kids this age have no reason why they should stay out at the wee hours of the morning by themselves. That is only asking for trouble. While I do agree with you that this country is going down, this is not a concerning indication.
your comment is why this country can't control crime. They are minors and they don't belong on the streets late. I feel that 11 is being way to lenient on them. If they are just "hangin" that's plenty of time. It gives exemptions if there is an activity. Quit bleeding hearts for crime.
only THREE years ago. That begs the question, where the hell have you been?
I completely agree with a curfew for all children under the age of 17. We have one in our town and everyone knows it. And that does hold the parents accountable. If the kids are on the streets after curfew they are brought home by the police with a warning for the first offense unless they are doing something they shouldn't be then there are citations given. The only reason they are allowed out after ten during the school year is for school related, work related, or family related things. They are stopped by the police if they are out and asked what they are doing. They are warned to go home. During the summer the curfew is mid night. I love it. We have 4 kids. We are responsible for all they do, they are warned by us that if they miss curfew they are not only punished but if they get caught by the police we welcome the citations they will have to fix. We want our community to have law biding citizens. Don't we all?? Be parents. YOU HAVE TO FORCE YOUR CHILDREN TO FOLLOW RULES AND LAWS SO THEY GROW TO BE RESPONSIBLE ADULTS. IT IS NOT THE JOB OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY DO, BUT IT IS SURE NICE THEY ARE THERE TO BACK US UP EVERYTIME.
Miami is just barely part of the U.S. Anybody been there lately? It is EXACTLY like a 3rd world country. I go there for business and I always hire an armed guard. once you leave South Beach You take your life in your own hands. The Cubans have really made this once beautiful place just like Cuba...poor and dirty! Thank you 'Wet Foot/Dry Foot. The only good part about global warming is that Miami is one of the first to go!
If every parent were responsible adults we wouldn't need curfew laws.How about arresting parents on child neglect when kids are out and about tagging properties,doing drugs or alcohol,petty thefts etc. no matter what time it is?Maybe that would get the parents attention directed towards the appropriate rearing of their children.
Sandy
1983- Daddy says "if you get into any trouble and we get a call from the police, you better go with them. It will be safer..for you. Your other choice? come home with us."
(Daddy was a steel worker,big heavy hands. Moms favorite the fly swatter.)
2010- "You boys can go to Jareks and best buy, If you get into trouble and I get a call from the police,, you better go with them, I can't get to you while you are in a jail cell. got it."
Our kids don't know what the back of a police car or the inside of a police station looks like.
Come to think of it neither do I.
hmmmm go figure.:-)
Sounds Like a what? Police State? LoL Children under the age of 18 are the responsibility of their parents.
So, how about men and women start being Parents responsible for their children.
I'm a parent and anyone residing in my home under the age of 18 will be home before 11pm every night or they'll be home at dark every night thereafter until I say different.
Call it a Police household then idiot and try to tell me how monitoring and keeping responsible my children has violated there constitutional right to live under my roof leading a normal, productive and respectful life.
Chosen
Haven't you heard your not supposed to bet their parent.... You are supposed to be their friend.
You know let them explore their surroundings, spread their wings,do what they want so their happy. Then when they get shot by a rival gang member you say,"oooo my poor baby, he /she was such a good child, never had any problems with them."
you can say this truthfully because they were never home, so no you as their friend can say you never had problems with them.
Before you say anything I too lived in a police household... now I am glad i did.
".Why don't we hold the ADULTS...PARENTS accountable"
Bwaahahaha! Like the "kids" that are the problem, the "kids" that are committing the crimes, the "kids" that others have correctly pointed out will not respect the law... those "kids" obey and respect their parents and do everything they are told. You "hold the parents responsible" lemmings are like the "gun control nuts," looking for an easy out instead of admitting the hard truths. The "kids" that are doing these crimes are most likely waaay outside the control of their parents.
@Chad," country is not going to hell".
These are not "police state" or laws to restrict freedom but in fact these are laws to protect law-abiding citizens and employees. These are local laws, not federal. and they are geared to address the regional problems faced by our communities.
In this greater Miami area, youth gangs are a real problem for the community, so this particular law will take care of many crime issues the area is facing. Gangs are mostly active throughout the night, and now police and court systems have more reach and power on resolving problems and preventing them.
So sad that it has to get to the point where the government has to step in to do the parents' job - be responsible for the safety of their kids.
Your forgetting or neglecting the fact that the government intrusions in one way or the other started most of the problems.
Tell us what you are referring to, please. I see it as the ACLU intruding in the lives of the teachers/parents who tried to deal with kids with not the right attitude when it comes to obeying authority. Tell us the instances of gov't intrusion that preceded kids being killed in the streets, at the time of night when they should have been home studying, or sleeping.
I don't think they are stepping in to protect the safety of the teens whose parents are not doing their jobs; they are stepping in to protect everyone else from the teens whose parents are not doing their jobs.....
Why are so many of these kids out on the street between midnight - 6:00 am? Who on earth lets their kids do that? Why aren't these issues being addressed with the parents? In the article someone says "I think it's overdue that we need cops' supervision." WRONG - - it's overdue that those kids need their PARENTS' supervision. Otherwise, mabe the parents need the cops' supervision....
It is sad...sadder still that parents simply don't know how to raise their children. One could suggest classes for parents-to-be or licenses that would allow people to procreate. On the other hand, you'd have people griping about lack of freedom in those cases while other people say it's a good idea because it would encourage people who procreate to take some actual responsibility. So where's the right? Where do we draw the line between what the government can do and what people should do for themselves? If people don't learn, it almost seems like the government has to step in.
Personally, I wouldn't mind a mandate that makes parenting courses mandatory for couples expecting for the first time; a short course would do, not something that would take up too much time, but clearly education is the one thing many parents lack these days. And a license. As a quote from one of my favorite movies says, 'you need to license your dog, heck you need a license to catch a fish, but any butt-reaming a$$hole can be a father.' Too many people procreate and then are either unable or unwilling to care for their children.
hike, I'll answer that for you. Everytime the government steps in to do something that we should otherwise be doing ourselves, we stop doing it ourselves. Using this as an example, parents should be parenting, but we will allow the government to set the limits. Similar to excessive antibiotic usage, the more you use, the less able your own body is to defend itself.
This is not something new. I grew up with a 10 pm curfew. It didn't hurt anyone. I don't know way it was ever eliminated.
True Zona! just like my mom used to say,"nothing good happens after midnight"
@Jaypea "nothing good happens after midnight" Obviously you never met "Loose Linda". :)
G'Morning AZ...
Me too however, all it did was make it fun being chased by the cops. I grew up in the woods and we would just take off through someones yard and you were then in the woods with miles of trails and no vehicle entry outside of dirt bikes and ATV's.
As we were running, we would have this funny feeling running up and down our spine that made you feel giddy and we would laugh like crazy which took a little steam out of our legs. They gave up after a few months and just pretended they would give chase just to have us take off....
Actually, it was fun...
Take care...
obviously you have never worked in a Emergency Room at the County Hospital. The saying is true. Nothing good ever happens after midnight especially to teens.
@iseenow- Met her?? I married her!! Nyuk-nyuk...
My parents had a curfew enforced quite stringently and my old man said if I was old enough to get into trouble I was old enough to get out of trouble, don't call me. I feel sorry for these kids, with what is probably going on at home, they feel better off in the streets. GMUS
gm stonepipe
Sounds like we had similar experiences. I was picked up by the police when I was 15 ...... out with friends and up to no particular good. My dad let me sit in jail overnight. When he picked me up the next day, his only words were, "First one's on me. Next time, you're on your own." It made an impression on me, and it worked pretty well with my kids, too.
And top of the day to you sir. In fact, shortly I am going to have to leave, it is my day volunteering at the elementary school. I am "Paying it Forward" so to speak. Will you offer up a suggestion? I have almost taught the little rascal everything I know, do I b.s. him or admit it? By the way I laughed my ass off at the powdered milk comment yesterday.
Good for you! The world needs more of that.
The Golden Rule is always a simple and effective lesson, that even grade schoolers can comprehend. Lesson plan: "Before you act, always ask yourself, 'Would I want to be treated this way?'."
Admitting it serves no useful purpose. They will find out soon enough, on their own. My mother used to say, "Never let them see you sweat, and don't give them chocolate until they ask for it."
Growing up in San Diego is the late 60's we had a 10:00 curfew, and like denver bill 2, I was told the same thing, @ 54 years old I still have a free one coming. I see no reason why kids should be roaming the streets after 10.
Again Creek Dog, you miss the mark. You may have grown up in the woods, when and where it was a lot safer, but these children are in the city, where the pedophiles and pimps roam. You come off sounding as if you condone just throwing our children to the wolves. Yes parents should be more responsible, but there are a lot more single parents who have to work. In my time, if a parent wasn't around and you were doing something you shouldn't another parent would bring you to task. As adults we all need to take responsibility for the protection of our children, including the police. There's an old saying that certainly rings true. It takes a village to raise a child. Thats the way it used to be and the way it should be today.
Wanda,
You got something for me?! I don't give a @!$%# about hitting the mark "you" put out for me. I already preset my own mark for me to achieve.
The vine is here to post whatever I feel. I understand you're doing the same thing however, comment on the story rather than follow me around feeling as if you have to correct me to be the be the "one-upper chick."
Later!
Creek Dog,
I think she has a thing for you
Arizona
You got to be out till 10!!
Jeeze I had to have my skinny little butt in the yard when the street light came on, and in the house at 9, to get shower and go to bed. That lasted up until I graduated high school. Mom and Dad's house their rules.
oops key word there RULES.
Thank your parents for me. They are good parents.
"we need cops supervision" Yet, again another cry to big brother for help. If the schools can't raise our kids, and the Streets can't raise our kids, whatever shall we do? It's all pretty simple, if you are not responsible enough to raise children,do not have children. Aren't these cops even thinking about the poor parents? What will they do? Where will they go? Pushed out on to the Streets no doubt.
Too simplistic there. As always those who SHOULD never have children are breeding at an outrageous rate.
So sad,so true Nana. More children=More "assistance"
Unfortunately, morons are allowed to breed....and we will pay for these lazy good for nothings raising criminals.
I don't see a curfew to be "cops supervision" or anything "big brother" at all. It's kids out past a decent hour who are taking up police time already and requiring that "supervision" you speak of. If the streets are clear of kids after 11 pm there will be less supervising to do. The answer is not to simply demand that irresponsible people "do not have kids." This country is nowhere near a policy of preventing irresponsible people from having kids so there's no sense in daydreaming or demanding it be so.
However, a curfew might help quite a bit for now and in the future. Maybe irresponsible people would have less kids if they knew that they'd have to spend all evening with them in the house or apartment and couldn't just push them out or let them slip out the doors at night where they become everybody else's problem.
When I was a kid I had to be home when the streetlights came on, or dad was waiting for me.
Alex, a lot of these gang bangers don't HAVE any dads in the picture. That is one of the big problems.
to be fair, a parental enforced curfew is ENTIRELY different than a state enforced one.
a somewhat callous remark, but likely one that holds a good amount of truth, unfortunately. :(
We had to be in the yard when the street lights came on too. We would be playing red rover with our friends. At about 830 daddy would stick his head out the door and yell "go the hell home your trampling my grass." (daddy didn't really yell his voice carried well and it was deep.scared the bejesus out of our friends.)
POOF- our friends would disappear!
We didn't need the police to enforce the curfew daddy did it. :-)
Lord how I love my dad and mom.
Let me know how this works out for them.
The parents or person in charge of the kids needs to set the crefew not the city. Parents or the lack thereof is the problem in America.
Virgile, Didn't you get the memo? Parents no longer have to be responsible for their brood. It's up to the schools and the government to raise them now.
Not only raise them but pay for them also!
@Virgle....what if the parents/person in charge doesn't care? Or if it is only one parent, and they can't control their child? I agree with you. But, too many times the reason that the kid is out is because the parent ISN'T A PARENT.....he is just a sperm donor/she is just a baby factory.
Obviously the parents aren't setting the curfew. If you don't do your job, you force someone else to do it.
The trouble makers are going to ignore it.
If they are troublemakers then they are exactly the individuals that need to be removed from the streets and even though the trouble makers ignore it there will be those non troublemakers that do not ignore it and instead stay in, There will be some whose parents use the curfew as a means of keeping the child off the streets, I used to live in a town where some parents complained that their kids had nothing to do in the evenings and wanted the town to provide recreation areas for them, The town finally gave in and set up skate board parks and midnight basketball courts, That resulted in after midnight car burglaries and vandalism.
I hear the pedophiles crying now. It's going to be harder to find a 14 year old prostitute.
You are on the wrong thread! But you don't care, as long as you can spread the manure!!!
Interesting you are such a vehement proponent of the Right to Bear Arms but toss out the Right to Assemble when it suits you.
And you THINK you're smart?
I'll spell it out for you, as you don't seem to understand.
The young girls will have to off the streets at night, because of the new curfew. Does that make you mad? Or maybe it's the lack of young boys you'll miss.
the right to assembe in a gang
perfect
leftard; it is the liberal leaders of the community that want the curfew. but dont worry about the right to assemble; i'm sure some pony-tailed white ACLU lawyer is on the way to stop the efforts of Black inner-city dwellers to save the lives of their youth
Right to Assemble,
What would a group of minors be Assembling for at lets say 2 am?
The correct wording is "to peaceably assemble." (my emphasis). And I'm sure that a bunch of 16-year olds are hanging out on the corner fine tuning their petition to the government.
That got them all riled up!
We had a curfew when i was a lad, whats so wrong with having one now? Every town accross this country should have one, set at 10pm.!!! Weekends set at 11:30pm, 12 if you are 18 or older!!!
NO EXCEPTIONS!!!
TAKE BACK OUR TOWNS AND CITIES!!!
GET RID OF GANGS, AND THE GANG VIOLENCE!!!
not going to happen leftard; your liberal leaders are too busy blaming their failures on others and playing racial politics to care where their own children are at night
I don't know about you, DfromSprencer, but I work, pay taxes, take care of my home and myself. I sure as he!!don't want someone telling me when I have to be home. Geez, if I wanted that, I'd still be married.
Catchick....you're an adult. Unless you got married at an extremely young age, which if that's the case, maybe you should have been one of the kids that should have had a curfew. What on earth were you doing screwing around at age 13. Apparently not the sharpest tack in the pack. And what age are you now...16? Grow up and face the facts...if you are working...then somebody is telling you what to do...duh.
Wow, Wicked is right, Wanda! Did you even read DfromSpencer's post that I was replying to? Did you even read mine, for that matter? Personal attacks are not necessary. Your post to me shows me how extremely immature and petty you are - that you are the one who needs to grow up. So, unless you able to hold a civil conversation, I suggest you get off the vine and go reevaluate your attitude.
What the hell are kids under 17 doing out after eleven anyway? Are we a society of morons now? Lets face it people, we as a nation are in decline. Look around you. We need to readopt the morals and values we so easily discarded in the name of freedom.
Wake up people!!!
Discipline you children for crying out loud!!!
Right? Whatever happened to "It takes a Village..." Picture the "Village" of Miami taking back it's streets, or Chicago?, or the Bronx?, or L.A., or,....
Good luck with the 3rd. or 4th. generation welfare parents, they probably don't know how many kids they have.
I can think of a few appropriate reasons a 17 yr old kid is out at 11pm. Movies start at 9-9:30, that puts them out after 11 in a theater. Proms and other school dances. Concerts. That's what I've come up with off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. They need to find a way to target the thugs and gangbangers without punishing the kids who are out socially and aren't doing anything wrong.
This isn't just about discipline - this is about being involved - communication and building a strong relationship with your kids are key. I agree with the posters that don't think this curfew will work. It's not the county's responsibility to babysit the kids who aren't being cared for at home.
It states in the article Cat that if it's one of the examples you mentioned it's an exception to the curfew and they won't be in trouble.
We have a curfew here in my town, I see nothing wrong with it, my daughter is 16 and doesn't have any business being out and about that late at night on a school night. But then again she's never missed curfew so I don't think about it too much.
why are liberal cities so violent?
Ummmm They are liberal?
ummmmmmm
they're not?
I dont know, Im asking.
Typically the big cities are Democratic strongholds. That's where labor unions are centered. More government in these cities to administer to the people that need it which is the inner city.
Why do fools post silly statements? Does mommy know you are using the computer?
@ our planet;
U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? (DEMOCRATS)
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;
Cincinnati , OH (3rd)...since 1984;
Cleveland , OH (4th)...since 1989;
Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
St. Louis , MO (6th)....since 1949;
El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
Milwaukee , WI (8th)...since 1908;
Philadelphia , PA (9th)...since 1952;
Newark , NJ (10th)...since 1907.
Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'
It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats---yet they are still POOR!!!
Read more: #ixzz2MDFrV171
looks like you're the fool !
with the expansion of welfare under obama comes the inevitible breakdown in morals
easy money from the government; easy money from the street. it's all a scam
A scam funded by suckers.
No recourse for the "suckers". The "elected" politicians set up the welfare state because their constituents in their district want it that way. Take care of me Mr. Government!
Miami was once a great place back in 1950 to 1960. Then in the seventies the boat people came full of cuban criminals and their insane. The jewish community fled and so the latin americans filled miami. Now it is a gang drug zone and war zone. Immigration policy should not allow concentration of one people in any one area, but should be spread out and integrated with american english speaking culture. The price of freedom is great.
So, instead of having the courage to go after the root of the problem FORCIBLY, they are just going to clear the streets so the thugs and sociopaths can go at it? GREAT PLAN!!!
So what do you think the root of the problem is?
It Takes a Village became it takes an army of ACLU lawyers; some inept Progressives playing racial politics, and a useless NAACP more interested in dinner parties and politics
All these poor little Trayvon's are not allowed out at night to flash mob and gang bang. What a shame.
Poor Things!
Homie's don't like that! LOL punk a$$ gang bangers most likely can't tell time either.
There are days after reading the news that I want to crawl under a rock. I'm shocked by what I read...the violence, the immoralities, and the decadence... Do others feel this way?
We need to change our way of thinking....a thinking that being pure and true are cool, that having high morals and values are what's most important. But remember people, the media would have us think that the indecent and unmoral are the majority. It sells newspapers. And the media also needs to get on the bandwagon of civil healing. But the point is that good decent people are the rule in this country, and we should never forget this, should stick together and never give up the good fight to save our sons, daughters and our country!
Not too sound like a zealot, but I'm afraid it started hitting the fan when God was kicked out of everywhere. Ooops looks like John covered it
jay, god didn't get "kicked out" of anywhere. God is still wherever it was.
You don't sound like a zealot, you sound like an ignoramus. These problems aren't new. They're a lot older than I am, and I'm part of the medicare set. And people like you, and like a lot of the "spare the rod, spoil the child" types who're posting here, have been saying the same things all that time. TO ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT. In other words, folks have been saying what you are saying - and have been dead wrong - since the beginnings of industrialization/urbanization.
Sigh. More feel-good bureaucracy that will be abused by the police, ignored by the kids and pontificated over at coffee klatsches.
This "ordinance" has holes in it big enough to drive trucks through.
More government rules. laws and regulations are *NEVER* the answer.........when will people wake up?
Nothing, not a single, solitary thing, can replace the GOOD, GODLY PARENTING of *BOTH* a Mother and a *FATHER*.
Sadly, the satan-run government has set up the system in such a way as to discourage the unity of family in favor of fostering dependency on "the system".
This country will remain broken, our children will continue to die in the streets not only here but overseas, and the Almighty God will continue to hide His face from us until we learn this, and a few other critical lessons.
satan is angry that he cannot have the souls of the righteous, so he punishes and torments them by trying to destroy their families, by encouraging them to believe the lies and to abandon the strong family ties that for so long held them together.
he blinds them with hatred for everyone he can find as a target, all in order to keep them from seeing that he is the real enemy, because he knows that with a single word, he would have to flee from them.
This has nothing to do with race. That is just one more of the cards the enemy loves to use to keep himself from being noticed.
This is about a turning from God, and His mercy and patience waiting for His children to return. Read your bible. The story is told over and over about the dangers of turning from God, but also of the wonderful mercy and grace He shows when his prodigals abandon their self destructive lifestyles and return to reliance on Him.
When the Ark landed, Noah and his three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth went out and multplied to repopulate the earth.
No matter *HOW* you look at it, we are all related directly, and if we had the capacity to do so we could, each one of us, trace our "roots" back to one of those men directly.
Think about that just for a moment, and then try to understand how foolish it is to hate someone based on the color of their skin and remember what MLK said about "the content of their character".
Forget reliance on satan's government and return to God.
He will work the miracles that we need. We only have to admit to Him that we are unable to manage our own affairs and return to proper prayer and worship, like we had so long ago.
Nice fictional story. Maybe you can publish this drama somewhere.
Pass the collection plate.
Right on, dude. Back then, so long ago, we were too busy killing unbelievers and burning witches to be troubled by intrusive government meddling.
Thumbs up to a city that is willing to fight back and do a job that Some Parents are unwilling to do!
Finally..........some city has a solution to a rising murder rate. Once they get them off the streets then maybe the police in Miami can isolate the houses where these thugs hang out and try to rehabilitate their city to some law and order which should be step #2. I think the parents of these kids and some of these kids should be sterilized from producing more of the same as step #3. Jail is too good for most of the slime that migrate to larger cities like Miami and good kids must be protected. Sad it has come to this but Thank GOD Miami is doing something and not just sitting aside on their asses like our congress and leadership in Washington!!!!
GOD SAVE AMERICA!!!!
What are you cheering about? You don't even know because the article didn't have even one number to justify this move. How many kids under 17 are killing or being killed? How many total murders?
Maybe it is justified but the article certainly didn't dig deep enough to even ask the question!
Would any number be to many?
there are drug lord in our inner cities responsible for more death and destruction of American lives tha some of the terrorists we are targeting.
but they may be minorities
i wonder of obama has the balls to drone attack them?
If I had a drug dealer he'd look just like Trayvon...
Jaypea-1022947,
That's funny JP. If I had a drug dealer, she would look like your momma.
Welcome too Miami! Gators ate your Granny! Lol.
Well that first amendment loophole is a catch all.
'Hey kid it's past curfew, go home'
'I'm a vampire and I'm praying to the night so fu^K off.'
Yeah, no law suit pending here.
is it a catch-all?
can you yell fire in a theater?
can you verbally threaten the President?
I was thinking more of the religious side. But evoking either as a minor in Miami at 12:05am will get you more free ACLU lawyers then you can shake a stick at. Hope Miami has budget-ted for that...
No Constitutional right for minors to do as they please at any hour they please.
When we were growing up we had a curfew, 11pm. We had public ads on TV "it's 11 o'clock, do you where your children are?" But where I lived if the police found you on the street and you weren't acting stupid they would drive you home.
We had the same only our's was 10pm. I don't remember anyone saying our rights were being violated. In a what now seems like a hoky way it was kind of nice to feel looked after. Although my enforced curfew before age 13 was 8pm in the summer, in the country. Then I started babysitting.
JB
I remember those ads!
Where I lived if the police found me out wandering around and not causing any problems, and they took me home.
Daddy had BIG HEAVY HANDS.. only got "swatted" by him two or three times. I swear he cracked my butt in the other direction, and oh lord did that burn! I know for certain that whatever I did to get the "swat" as he called it. I never did again.