I agree, something here sounds kind of strange.

NBC News is fueling the fire without all the details. How about reporting news with all the facts?

The malfunction is believing that large numbers of armed people in schools somehow makes children safer!

Will the next 'malfunction' be at school during assembly? The school board has pie on their face. The next stage will be when they have student blood on their hands.

But then, we have all the little anti-trolls waiting in the wings along with NBC for something..anything they can latch onto to put negative spin on anything gun related.

What was the first comment on this thread, Joe? Did it sound like an anti-gun post? I don't think so.

NBC Sucks! This daily gun agenda of theirs has gotten way out of hand and is old and tired. Report some real news you idiots!

They say you are most likely to be shot by someone you know...........

sorry twodogseffking, I was referring to a prior comment which stated just that "way to go NRA". Dig a little deeper.

twodogsloving

But then, we have all the little anti-trolls waiting in the wings along with NBC for something..anything they can latch onto to put negative spin on anything gun related.

What was the first comment on this thread, Joe? Did it sound like an anti-gun post? I don't think so.

And here's where I support the right to sue a gun manufacturer. If the gun really did malfunction, which as already stated, is very rare, then you can sue the manufacturer. If the gun was just used incorrectly, well, that is why people get trained. And it sounds like the gun was pointed downrange, as the article said the bullet ricocheted. Sounds a bit like a freak accident, now I'd like to know what really happened with the gun. Did it really malfunction? Really?

If this didn't happen after a gun safety class it would not be a story.

Welcome to the Dick Chaney school of shooting.

mechanical malfunction

Sounds like total BS in the reporting. Finger on trigger, gun goes bang. That's whey defensive handgun training should be one a one on one basic. It's obvious that the rules of safety weren't followed here.

Reloading the handgun after training was no doubt done incorrectly. At least no one was seriously injured.

A Sargent in our police force shot his own finger off while demonstrating unsafe handling to a gun safety class.

Now that's what I call 'going beyond the call of duty' to illustrate a point. LOL

BTW: I personally know the guy and what scares me is the fact he was ever given a gun and a badge to start with. To top it off, the Chief promoted him to head up the Drug Interdiction Force about a year after this happened.

I had to use the rifle of someone else on the night fire range in basic. This someone else did not maintain their weapon well and it jammed three times during a 30 round exercise. The third time the drill instructor was clearing the weapon when it went off in his hand sending a round into the sky.

Cheap ammo and poor cleaning add to the problem of jamming. Cheap weapons jam easily, and the m16 is notorious for this (pos weapon if you ask me, never had a problem with the SK and cheep ammo). Like a car, a poorly maintained weapon is a danger to everyone including the one in control.

Hence so many would be mass shooters with 3 shots fired, 500 rounds to go, and a suicide by handgun when the AR15 jams up.

Hmm, do guns in schools reduce or increase gun injuries? Let's find out.

Innocent people shot because of guns in schools: 1

People saved because of guns in schools: 0

Learnt,

Thanks for being there.

You make a good point about the M16, although, I have used in excess of 15 different M16s from the basic (Vietnam issue) to the A3. My unit had more problems with the M4, not enough back pressure with the shorter barrel.

Though you are correct, maintenance is the key. We only had one weapon with a manufacturing error that wouldn't allow the bolt to return cleanly, all the others had to do with soldiers waiting too long to clean their weapons, or adding too much CLP.

By the way, for those who are interested, adding CLP when you fire in the cold is a BAD thing. You only need to add a very small amount to keep the parts that contact each other from getting sticky. Keep sand and dirt out of your ejection well and magazine. Gas assist weapons rely on smaller tolerances, AK 47s are typically less tight and as a result they tend to be a little less accurate for distance, but this allows them to be more reliable if they get dirty.

At the conclusion of the CHL training on February 27, 2013, one Certified person stayed for private instruction with the instructor and had a mechanical malfunction with his weapon.

With the assistance of the instructor, the malfunction was addressed, but the gun Misfired and the bullet ricocheted coming back to strike the VISD employee in the left leg. The VISD employee was attended to at the scene and transferred to Tyler for further treatment.

Iknowzero: (BTW, how ironic your name perfectly represents your knowledge):

So a gun accidentally went off. It was an accident and somebody was not following protocol and/or instructions.

But let me see if I get this straight: So if an accident occurs we are to stop its use completely? I just heard about a school bus getting in an accident. Several children were slightly injured and went to the hospital for further checkup. So does that mean we should ban all school buses?

Certainly makes sense to me (according to your failed logic) because:

Injured children due to school buses: 5

People saved due to school buses: 0

Don't be such a naive fool and making irrational comments or conclusions..............

In addition to what ProBusiness said, Iknowzero, the accident did not happen at school. It happened at a gun range. If this had been an accident at a gun range that did not involve school employees, this would not be a news story.

@bagdadjoe-1347766

Not my fault you're inarticulate. Incidentally, you indicate the real spelling of the name - it was actually my Indian name given to me by the tribe. (Can't use it on here of course, but thanks for the facsimile)

"Keep the muzzle pointed downrange..."

What is considered 'downrange' in a classroom?

And what were they doing with live ammunition in a classroom setting? I did my training with dummy rounds.

Why are people training with loaded guns for concealed carry?

It sounds like this person grabbed the gun from its holster with their finger on the trigger. The gun fired downward, striking a concrete floor, then ricocheting into their leg. NEVER put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to fire.

Reminds me of that ex cop, who was doing a gun demonstration in a grade school about how dangerous guns are. He bragged that he was the only person in the room who had the training to touch a gun. He proceeded to shoot himself in the leg as he was drawing the weapon. It's on Youtube, and it's very funny to watch him try to pretend he didn't just shoot himself.

As Gump said "Stupid is as stupid dose."

When you buy a gun buy for quality and reliability first.

When you buy used have a certified gun smith inspect the gun to ensure it is within operational standards.

When you buy a gun buy for quality and reliability first.

When you buy used have a certified gun smith inspect the gun to ensure it is within operational standards.

This. And also learn to maintain it yourself. When you really need the thing to work the gunsmith is gonna be bzzy. If you cant break down a weapon you should not be using it unsupervised until you know exactly how the weapon functions and can recognize what part may be out of place or damaged. If you cant do this you will wind up using a dirty weapon that will jam and or go off when you don't expect it, or even worse it could blow up in your hand.

You have a right to own a gun and a right to be stupid. If you exercise both of these rights at once someone is bound to get hurt and it could be you.

Edit: Same goes for buying and or loading good ammo. The powder and metals you use have a huge impact on the performance you are going to get.

R. Scalzo, it's Texas...buy one gun training get 9 free!!

hit by a bullet equal shot. When the best trained safety people have so many accidents, including police, now we let every yahoo get a gun and think that's safety?

r81801

hit by a bullet equal shot. When the best trained safety people have so many accidents, including police, now we let every yahoo get a gun and think that's safety?

So MSNBC finds one story on a mishap that happened to a student in a gun safety class, and you feel the urge to assume that lots of accidents happen and that this was, and I quote, one of "the best trained safety people." There is a reason that this guy was in the class...

Then what would you call getting hit with a bullet fired from a handgun? He was "shot".

How much slower was that bullet leaving the muzzle at probably 1000 fps going after bouncing off a solid object? 900 fps? It's still a bullet at that point unless it was frangible ammo.

So MSNBC finds one story on a mishap that happened to a student in a gun safety class

We had an incident during such a class. It was the fault of the instructors who allowed a unsuitable holster to be used. Odd that the student was a lawyer involved in firearm's cases. Fortunately not life threating injuries.

Then what would you call getting hit with a bullet fired from a handgun? He was "shot".

I'm sure the man with the bullet in him wouldn't have a lot of appreciation for whether he was shot or hit by the ricochet. But for me, I can understand what was meant by the phrasing used in the article.

I love it when people accidentally shoot themselves. Of course, I hope for a better outcome than this story. Still, anything is better than nothing.

People can't even drive an automobile without having temper-tantrums and attacking each other. The general public has no business carrying guns around with them.
A gun in the house for people who have been carefully vetted and registered. Licenses given only after gun safety course. 100% responsibility for what occurs with the registered gun until it is turned in to the police. No carry permits without proof of need and special training.

Angry guy, you sound like the person who calls their insurance company saying a tree moved into the path of their car. If a bullet strikes you, then you were shot by the gun that fired that bullet

"stayed for one-on-one training after class" - that should explain it for you....

Are you kidding me? Someone who can't keep from shooting themselves or someone else accidentally does not belong in the gun ownership or use club...these are the losers in the gene pool wars

People who can't keep from shooting themselves are the ONLY ones who should have guns.

Are you serious? You really going to say that?

Dunce.

@ranknfile- I thought cars are supposed to transport people to and from different places, not injure and kill many times more people than guns...

If any of you are familiar with the new industry...it's easy to draw conclusions with partial stories, but MSNBC didn't embellish they just posted what was provided to them.

Now, whether the writer expands the story beyond the basic information is where you can throw blame. If she leaves the story as it is, and doesn't follow up, that is irresponsible.

I didn't see any finger pointing, just a little irony.

If it was indeed a mechanical malfunction than it was either a cheep gun or bought used and he never had a gun smith inspect it.

I have trained well over 1000 shooters in the military and never had anything worse than slide bite on my range. For some reason no matter how often I show them how to hold the M-9 someone has to do it wrong once. After that the lesson seams to sink in with every one and I am out one band-aid.

Slowly, very slowly, take a deep breath. Expel it, again slowly. Do this four more times. Feel better now?

Well, you can write your county sheriff to have him disarm all of his deputies, and your state rep to have all law enforcement in your region to be disarmed so you don't have to worry about cops losing guns or guns misfiring.

trained pilots crash planes, trained bus drivers crash buses, trained reporters skew the facts...

Why did Andy make Barney keep his bullet in his pocket? So he wouldn't shoot bimself or someone else.

Hey Starbuck,

We are only issued ammo for our weapons when we go to the range, unless we are deployed. I have to have my assigned weapon issued to me for a specific reason, or I don't carry it.

Law enforcement and private individuals are allowed access to their weapons more than we are in the military. Do you don't suppose there is a trust issue there? Do you?

I figured it would make a certain amount of sense to use military as "Air Marshalls" if we fly, they can discount our flights, it would cost the airlines a lot less money. We can take a training class about proper use of force (UOF) similar to what we get when we enter a war zone and save the TSA and the Federal Govenment some Homeland Defense funding. We receive the training, might as well use it.

Military Man

That is not a bad idea. There are some constitutional issues around using active duty military on US soil kinda in the way though. Also, I don't think every one that has military and or combat experience would be good for this, I know what kinda people get into the military cause they let me in! LOL

Anyway, the training for this would need to be fairly intensive and the loads for the weapons in flight would need to be changed out with the service rounds. Armor piercing and Jet windows don't mix well at 35000 feet.

That's it!

We can protect our children with concealed car permits!

Every time a child is killed with a gun, shoot an NRA member.

Cars weren't built to injure or kill people. Apples ans oranges comparsion.

Cars aren't inside a child's classroom.

You've never driven a Chevy Corvair!

billmccc1... I have!

Owned a 1966 Spider. I loved that car!!!!

And people get injured when their car malfunctions too.

So?

I'm so glad you brought this up. When a car malfunctions the manufacturer of a car is responsible for fixing the malfunction under consumer protection laws. And the car manufacturer could be brought to court by anybody injured from the malfunction.

When it comes to guns, neither apply, thanks to special exceptions in the law. The person who got shot cannot file civil suit against the manufacturer of the gun if they had the desire to. And nobody will be breathing down the neck of the manufacturer saying "so why did this happen and is it preventable?" The NRA, which is totally not a lobby for the gun manufacturers, lobbied for these exceptions.

I'm a gun advocate, but you make a good point Pragmatic.

Then again, neither program is perfect. Vehicle manufacturers have "Statute of Limitation" as to when a vehicle recall can be used without the owner being charged to fix it. If the car is older and the owner didn't know about the recall, the manufacturer isn't held liable. In the case of an older recall that causes an accident, then the owner is held responsible to not repairing the issue.

HA. HA! Because when a car malfunctions, it fires a projectile that's designed to kill people. Right.

Let's think about the world without cars. Hmmm, that would suck. Let's think about the world without guns. Hmm, less death, less violence, less suicide. Sounds pretty good to me.

And it's precisely BECAUSE cars weren't "designed to kill", and do anyway, that makes the fact that they kill so many people a worse problem than the far fewer gun deaths.

OF COURSE guns are "designed to kill". That's exactly why the Founding Fathers saw fit to enshrine the right to have them (or, rather, that power) in the Bill of Rights. Do you think the muskets they had were designed to whistle Dixie?

A gun that kills or injures someone did not malfunction. It did exactly what it was designed to do, so you can't sue the manufacturer. You could presumably hold responsible the person who pulled the trigger, but then again most of those mass murderers wind up killing themselves. What are we to do, try the corpse and execute him? Someone please ask Wayne LaPierre, since he's always telling us we just need to enforce the gun laws we have.

I wish I could answer that, but LaPierre's position is indefensible. Not because guns are "bad", or should be banned, but because the very "gun control" laws LaPierre wants enforced are unconstitutional. He's already painted himself and the NRA into a corner with that failed approach. What LaPierre and the NRA should be doing for the 2nd is exactly what the ACLU does for the 1st, 4th and 5th: fight! Take cases to the Supreme Court, pro bono. Get the laws overturned. Can you imagine the damage the 1st, 4th and 5th would have taken by now if all the ACLU did was give money to Democrats and call for "speech control" laws to be enforced?

NRA management are losers - and that (not Newtown) is why I'm letting my membership expire.

More guns?

If only the guns that didn't malfunction could've shot the malfunctioning gun first.

And just having armed guards present will deter a lot of these idiots just by being present if they never draw their weapon. Most police never draw their weapons in their whole careers, would you contend that cops do not have a deterent effect on crime just by being visible?

It's rare that we have these shootings at all, and even more remote that someone would try it with armed guards present. That's not how the little sociopaths operate. They pick undefended vulnerable targets that they think won't fight back.

Bagdad, you just pointed out the problem with government specifically and liberals in general - they want to manage/govern to the exception and not the rule. We waste precious, finite resources on laws and enforcement of those laws to stop what affects a very small segment of the citizens.

There is a myth that training teachers and adminstrators to fire a gun on a target range will somehow prepare them to deal with an armed maniac. From experience as an infantry squad leader in Vietnam I can tell you that even trained soldiers don't always perform very well in their very first firefight. Without a battle hardened NCO around to kickstart them, many just duck and freeze.

Kevin S-1838718

Maybe they want to protect kids too? What do you do to protect kids other than running your mouth?

I did go into the military and I did teach, so have a lot of other teachers. Next uninformed remark please...

Maybe you should read the article before making a comment. It was not a teacher........

the man who was injured in Tuesday's incident was a maintenance worker at the school

Not a teacher, Kevin. Try reading the article.

Scary how you draw a parallel between military and cops !

R Battle. Hold your fire. You losing the battle and your war within. You and your gun bro just seem extremely desperate and pathetic to all but yourselves.

actually kam, im getting stronger every day.i can see the game.and many more wake up every day.put the pieces together and the picture becomes clear.i dont even own a gun,but i can see.the media isnt news,its an opinion shaper.a fear inducer that works incredibly well.the fact that there are a million stories of extreme importance to you,your family,the people you love,to everyone in this country that get ignored,buried,and never mentioned.step back.take a deep breath and ask yourself if its possible that you have been lied to by the (UNbiased) news.you can see,if you are honest with yourself that deep down you know its not only possible but probable.

R Battle. The pieces are coming together for you and others. Clinically, it is referred to as your delusional system is becoming more systematized. I am not being critical, but concerned.

no worries kam.i could say the exact same thing about you.i look into things.i read,study,and think for myself.i dont believe everything im told.for example,guns are being used by kids to kill.im told the "answer" is gun control.but, there is no talk anywhere about the psychoactive drugs being handed out like pez to kids for any "symptom" they may have.they could be the key or catalyst to these violent outburts happening today.but why the silence? is it not a possible epidemic? since this blatant diregard for a possible solution only leads to the fact that "they" really dont care about the children or you or me. like i said,put the pieces together,ask questions,think for yourself.

R Battle most people do not think for themselves everyone in this country wen through an educational system which really teaches you how to be a naive mindless slave, only people of authority have it right that's what is subconsciously taught, that's why most people fall for the lie. He will never look into what you have said critical thinking has been destroyed by our educational system, and it shows when we are compared academically to the rest of the world.

Info, is there a correlation between what you just stated and the lack of innovative/inventive people now in the US?

Not that television is an exact measure, but anecdotally, we can look at the lack of innovation in the types of shows put forth - reality shows or copies of shows from England.

If it was a misfire, the bullet wouldn't have left the chamber.

mis·fire

1. fail to fire properly: to fail to shoot a bullet or shell when fired

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Districts will be liable and unable to meet costs from lawsuits. People in Texas (and Mississippi) can't think that far ahead.

Liability Insurance covers that, but maybe you didn't think that far ahead.

And what if some school employee is on the job and a shooter sees him there and passes on attacking the school. Then what. And what if the school employee drops a shooter with one shot....and what if....what if...what if....

When your charged with some type of manslaughter what if is a big thing. Insurance does have liability Limits. But maybe you didn't think taht far ahead.

Most school districts in my state are self-insured. Either way, the taxpayers will pick up the tab which will surely lead to bankruptcies or greatly reduced school services in many municipalities.

Yea it's just 30,000 a year. Why keep the doom and gloom going for that. It's not like were are running out of people. Right?

It's 30,000 killed per year. 70,000 are injured like this guy was.

No warren, always keep a round in the chamber. An unloaded weapon is a paperweight. Odd that in the last 50 years of using firearms and in the last 40 years of carrying one almost constantly... loaded, cocked and locked, I've yet to have a "accidental discharge". Guns do not go off by themselves any more than your car will start itself and drive off and have a wreck by itself.

Guns do not go off by themselves any more than your car will start itself and drive off and have a wreck by itself.

Ive not heard of any with sidearms, but my But my brand new 308 discharged twice while slung on my back and safetied. It went back to the factory!

"I've yet to have a "accidental discharge"."

Heh

bagdadjoe-1347766

Mr you are dangerous. No one needs to be the ready to take a life.

No warren, always keep a round in the chamber. An unloaded weapon is a paperweight. Odd that in the last 50 years of using firearms and in the last 40 years of carrying one almost constantly... loaded, cocked and locked,

Responsible gun ownership everybody.

yes dacia, nothing worthwhile is completely without peril.

Malfunction? It sounds like the instructor and student are a little embarrassed to me. Doesn't pass the smell test.

Your Moniker Leaves No Doubt Where You Stand.

rank,

Yep, "XD Shooter" sounds a lot like a gun owner. Your point is?

Ban handguns.