Crawl back under your rock.

CinUSA that is not the issue anyway. But this is the underlying story that NO ONE talks about. How many states had gay marriage on the ballot when Obama first ran in 2008? 90% of Black voters turned out, Obama was elected but gay marriage failed in every state. I commend this man for being an openly gay black man in MS. That takes guts because not only are ignorant white people not going to like him, his own community isn't either.

@cinusa white people top the list as the alltime leading killers and when you add the white man gay movement along with it you have just killed off a small country due to Aids

Oh, STFU.

"What a surprise, a black on black crime. Only 65% of all gun murders are committed by blacks, and most of their victims are also black, it's amazing this fact isn't even mentioned here, in gun control debates, in any conversations. We ignore the obvious, black males commit most murders."

Wrong. Black males do not commit the most murders. Those in challenging to dire socioeconomic circumstances commit the most murders. Socioeconomic factors have proven to be statistically causative, well represented among all races including caucasian; skin color has not been proven to be causative. Fact. Your ignorance is astounding. I don't fear for my and my family's safety when I see a black male, but I do fear for our safety when I see blatant bigotry and wanton ignorance such as yours.

@cinusa do you know why the population among white people is dramatically declining, it's due to the fact that millions and millions of white men opt for gay relationships as well as their female counterpart this is the reason white people will be a minority in the year 2030. make friends now the end is near thank God

Danny

Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—

Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide
victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8
per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per
100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost
8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)
(table 1)

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Maybe you should rethink your statement.

No, Danny, poor Mexicans murder less people than poor blacks. Not that long ago, Mexican-American incomes were lower than black incomes on average (may still be the case), but they still committed less murders.

Same with poor white and Asian people.

Blacks have a crime culture that's bigger than other races.

Slodon, care to mention the discrepancy in wealth for most black people verses white people?

Slodon, danny is just trying to say the exact thing you are saying, but he refuses to mention ethnicity.

Poverty rate for blacks is 26%. They commit half of all murders.

26% of 40 million blacks is 10.4 million blacks in poverty.

Poverty rate for Latinos is 23%.

23% of 45 million Latinos is 10.35 million Latinos in poverty.

So...by themselves, Latinos match blacks for total number of people in poverty, and yet their murder rate is half or even lower than blacks.

11% of whites and Asians live in poverty.

11% of about 200 million people is 22 million whites and Asians in poverty.

Including other races like Indians, there are about another 5 million people in poverty in the US.

Therefore the 37 million non-black people in poverty commit the same amount of murders as only 10.4 million black people in poverty. Proving conclusively that it is something exclusive to the black community, this high murder rate. Other poor people from other races don't murder as often as black people do. And of course, poor people aren't the only ones who kill.

Also, crime causes poverty as much as poverty causes crime. The kid who steals in high school is much more likely to end up poor than the one who always does his homework.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-02-20/local/37193481_1_poverty-rates-blacks-hispanics

No Alias, So being poor is a good reason to murder other people? Is that a viable defense in the court of law? People can choose to do right or do wrong. Income level is no excuse to kill.

Smarty????

Your post is rediculous. The white population is not shrinking by number. It is shrinking as a percentage of the population. Birthrates for whites, latinos and african americans all fell in the last few years - slightly more for whites. Look at "immigration" patterns.

You are suggesting that there is an explosion of homosexuals? Where do I find that data?

I take it reading and math were not your strong subjects?

@ smarty1 -

homosexuality is found in every culture. Your comment is ignorant on so many levels. White people will be the minority because the majority is homosexual and evolution is weeding them out? Where did you come up with that little jewel of wisdom?

FYI in an October 2012 Gallup poll of over 120,000 people 3.45% of US adults identified themselves as LGBT. The highest proportion was in the African American community at 4.6%, followed up the Asian Americans at 4.3%, Latinos at 4% and Caucasians at 3.2%. You've come to your conclusion that most members of the LGBT community are urban, wealthy, white and male because if a TV show has the homosexual community represented it's most likely the artsy, sensitive white young man.

EDUCATE YOURSELF! okay bye

@ John

As a Mississippi college student, I can name 5 openly gay black men that attend my school without having to even think about it. There's even a GSA (Gay Student Alliance) on campus.

Mississippi isn't a hate state. At least, not as much as it use to be. You can find ignorant people in every state. When you get into the back roads and extremely isolated towns, that ones that breathe, eat and crap religion, you'll find tons of backwards ignorant people. Again, Mississippi isn't alone in this.

As you get into the cities and more populated areas, sexuality isn't an issue.

I was doing research into the violent crime and "gun violence" surrounding Chicago and Illinois when I happened upon this

according to; www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html

VIOLENT CRIMES 1 PER 100,000 POPULATION -- 2006 from lowest to highest.

In states surrounding Illinois; Kentucky is ranked 40th, Wisconsin is 33rd, Iowa is 32nd, Indiana is 29th, Illinois is ranked 13th (542/100k), and Missouri is ranked 12th (by a difference of only 9/100,00)

DC is (not ranked among the states) at 1508/100k, Maine is ranked 50th at 116/100k.

As an interesting side note, the ten states with the least violent crime, also have the lowest percentage population of minorities. I only bring this up, because so many of you try to compare the gun laws in Europe and Australia to the US. And what do the these 10 states have in common with Europe and Australia? A low percentage population of minorities.

If we are going to make comparative analysis of gun laws, then we need to include countries that reflect our population as well. And we need to include countries from Central America, Africa and else where.

You should know then too, that of the top ten most violent states, 8 of them have the highest percentage populations of minorities. Can anyone guess where DC is located on the population of minorities chart? No. 1. Not making this stuff up. Just doing Google searches, and reporting the findings. Oh I know, I am a bigoted, racist homophobe just for pointing it out.

Good post Chestypuller.

This is a discussion that needs to be included on the gun, I mean crime control legislation debate.

Poverty and violence go hand in hand everywhere and all through history. The question is which fuels which more. And how to break the cycle. Is any one segment of society worth blanket condemning or should we use every tool at our disposal to fight it?

Black society is unaccepting of any criticism of it and Black Organizations that try to change things are dismissed as "looking for special treatment". Its the same people who deride Black America who routinely condemn any efforts to lift Black society out of poverty. "Why can't we have a United White College Fund?" Stupid stupid question. Pointless. Not all whites are racists and not all Blacks are thugs. We all need to grow up.

My condolences to the slain man's loved ones on a terrible loss.

Let's look at all the factors that contribute to violence. While black people disproportionately commit more violent crime than other races there are many contributing factors none of which is the colour of their skin. How about history of subjugation, injustice perpetrated by law enforcement, uneqqual application of the law for black people compared to those of other races (crack cocaine punishment, stop and frisk). The fact that black people were unable to get jobs as late as the 80's and 90's and even into today would have had a major effect on their socio-economic standing. I don't pretend to know the black man's struggle but I understand it exists because of a terrible history of subjugation and racism.

@ tag-2907728

Poverty and violence go hand in hand everywhere and all through history. The question is which fuels which more. And how to break the cycle. Is any one segment of society worth blanket condemning or should we use every tool at our disposal to fight it?

Black society is unaccepting of any criticism of it and Black Organizations that try to change things are dismissed as "looking for special treatment". Its the same people who deride Black America who routinely condemn any efforts to lift Black society out of poverty. "Why can't we have a United White College Fund?" Stupid stupid question. Pointless. Not all whites are racists and not all Blacks are thugs. We all need to grow up.

My condolences to the slain man's loved ones on a terrible loss.

#2.17

You may be correct, "Poverty and violence go hand in hand", but not the way you think. If memory serves [what I learned in history class 35 years ago] actual crime rates went down during the Great Depression, with the exception of the "Famous Villains" such as "Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, Capone, et. al. etc. (gangland activity). That is to say crimes involving those who were not associated with organized crime or prohibition went down, especially after 1933.

I think that you may be more correct to say the that crime causes poverty, and therefore go hand in hand. And if you look at Africa, in the recent decades, how much money has been spent there by Government and Private agencies, to better these people, to educate these people. Then look at the crime rates in these countries. Rowanda? How about that Nigerian Prince scam? South Africa, with the end of Apartheid? Look at the murder rates.

Let's look at Haiti, and compare it to the Dominican Republic, are you going to tell me that one end of the island is that much better than the other, as far as resource go? Or is it the people managing those resources?

Even Barry's Grandpa acknowledged the limits of the Black man:

Finally, Onyango unfavorably contrasted African organization with Western organization. “How can the African defeat the white man,” Onyango would tell his son Barack Sr., “when he cannot even make his own bicycle?” In Onyango's words, "The white man alone is like an ant. He can be easily crushed. But like an ant, the white man works together. His nation, his business--these things are more important to him than himself....Black men are not like this. The most foolish black man thinks he knows better than the white man. That is why the black man will always lose." "Dreams from My Father"; Barack Obama

“My image of Onyango, faint as it was, had always been of an autocratic man—a cruel man, perhaps. But I had also imagined him an independent man, a man of his people, opposed to white rule… What Granny had told us scrambled that image completely, causing ugly words to flash across my mind. Uncle Tom. Collaborator. House @!$%#.”

""Black society is unaccepting of any criticism of it and Black Organizations that try to change things are dismissed as "looking for special treatment".""

You are correct about that first statement, but where the Black Organizations run into the "looking for special treatment" is the expenditure of tax dollars in a disproportionate fashion amongst black communities, or at least the perceived per capita expenditure. (I do not have the numbers, so I do not know if in fact the Government spends more dollars PER CAPITA on minorities, in social programs)

And just exactly what do you call "The Equal Rights Act"?

You seem to fail to comprehend that we are born with our Rights and that the Constitution, aside from Creating the Federal Government, and Treaty among the Sovereign States, places limits on the Federal Government, which are spelled out in the Bill of Rights. These are limits placed on the Government, not guarantees of what the Government must provide for us. And these limits are not placed on us as Citizens. But I doubt you will fail to comprehend this, or you will try to rationalize it some how.

So, Technically it is my Right to Discriminate against anyone I wish, if I so feel like it, and any law that violates that Right is unconstitutional. That is to say, if I own business, it is my private property, to do with as I please, and If I do not wish to allow in anyone I disagree with, is that not my prerogative? Who are you force me via the "Equal Access Laws" to allow in those who do not tip my wait staff, or those that would force me to print bilingual menus, etc. (I am giving an example of an all Spanish or French Restaurant, btw)

I do not know if you follow the creationist, or the evolutionist line of thought, But only God can created man equally. If you are an evolutionist you are by definition then a racist. For all one has to do is follow the the rise and fall of civilizations starting in Africa, with Egypt, then to Persia, splitting and going to Greece, and India, Mongolia, China, (is an odd duck) ending in Japan. From Greece to Rome, (with a few hundred years recession) Spain (oh,yeah, just get me started on the Spanish (Hispanic) devastation of the American (north, central, and south) Indians and you Dope Smokin Hippies blame the White Man) France (very short run there) England (Anglo/SAXON) and ending in Germany. With the extension into The USA. (after all most of are decendents of Northern Europeans)

And the only reason I condemn any, "efforts to lift Black society out of poverty" is that there were no efforts to "lift" the Irish Catholics. (My ancestry Irish Catholic, if you know your American History then you know how Catholics were and are still treated. How many Irish died of starvation, even after they got here, and how many slaves starved to death once they got here. {Here's a little bit of info for you, slaves were for the most part treated just like livestock or machinery is today. Since both were expensive, they were treated fairly well, with a few exceptions. It does a farmer little good to miss treat his equipment or livestock, and the slave owners knew this too} Where were the "efforts" to help the Chinese immigrants? No, these people made it without running to Uncle Sam screaming "They're picking on me, make them stop"

I have no respect for Black People as a whole. They cheated, they went to Uncle Sam to get fair treatment, instead of earning it. (On an individual basis though, I know and work with several, and I don't have to as I am self employed, and I do not discriminate based on skin color, I discriminate based on attitude). Now look at what we have.

Maybe you better do a little research into 1900's Harlem, and other cities. Yes, blacks were segregated, but fewer of them actually lived in poverty, fewer crimes were committed, and 3/4 of them were raised in single mother homes. And My guess is, had they not been corrupted by the Liberal Progressive agenda, the would be free of the discrimination, and they would have earned it. And they would have the respect of people like me.

"3/4 of them were raised in single mother homes"

oops typo, it should read 3/4 of them were NOT raised in single mother homes.

slodon wrote: "Danny Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000) (table 1)

Maybe you should rethink your statement."

I reviewed the link you provided and, as I originally claimed, neither this study nor any other published study has shown skin color to be causative of committing murder. My point stands exactly as written and is in no way detracted from by what you've written. Care to try again?