You say "Texas" as if the problem of excessive force is restricted to just that state. Have you already forgotten that during the Dorner hunt two different pickup trucks, neither matching the suspect's vehicle description in any manner, were rammed off the road and had multiple reloads emptied into them? In both cases it was not Dorner, and it took place in California. Police corruption and excessive force is rampant in this country. It's not a Texas problem, it's a United States problem.

because it was AFTER he had the suspect cornered.....

and if you think this is a Texas only thing, NYC, Chicago, California, and nearly every state you can think of, has had an incident similar.... NYC they shot an elderly unarmed black man over 90 times... that was just the ones that hit him, not counting the ones that missed.

I have to agree, We have a serious problem where you can be killed for nothing at all, just because you may have moved your hand, Our so called protector have decided that they are the Judge and Jury, don't people think its pretty weird that all of a sudden We have all these people killing themselves and there is never someone there that saw them shoot themselves, I can believe one or two but seems like every single one takes their own life, I find that hard to believe. Pretty soon We all are going to need to carry to protect ourselves from our so called protectors.

Rabid Fire? SPLAINS IT!

If you ban high capacity clips for guns the law should apply to the police as well. This was likely a Glock Gen 4 that holds 15 with one chambered. He would have had 3 on his belt as a reserve. I got mine and will never give it up.......Overkill by this COP and outrageous.

RTypo

Texas... Enough said.

I'll bet you say that about any state you read about - do you say that about yours? Or, do you live in the State of Euphoria! LOL

There is something wrong with the way police are trained.

Dan - this kind of thing is not restricted to Texas. Its just that Texas is so proud of it.

They fire the cop and call it a day? Why is he not charged with a crime? Shooting 41 times at a cornered, unarmed man? Having the time to reload and shoot some more? They might want to review their professional protocols regarding use of deadly force and excessive force.

Statistic say that even the best trained gunners (law enforcement and military) MISS 7 out of ten times when under duress. Thats on average. This guy just upped that number. Nice to think of that when you hear that citizens can stop unwanted crime by being able to carry firearms. Maybe it has not happened yet but somday several people with guns will be at a supposed crime scene and try to play john Wayne and I hope I am no where near that. 40 plus shots? They should fire him for being inept.

@ marywhatever -

It's easy, read the article. The article said Tuter fired 41 times 'after' he had cornered Allen.

Mornin' jack...

Cops gone wild...

If you ask me, this guy (being a cop) seen a lot in his career and snapped. There "is" no other explanation.

Just like going postal. Unfortunately for the victim, the cop snapped on him.

I definitely think this cop should be charged with a crime considering the kid had no gun, the cop cornered him in and simply, executed him on the spot.

I am very sorry for this poor guy. Yes, he shouldn't have run but, a death sentence does not match the crime...

"However, Officer Tuter's actions were justified under this state's penal code".

You think the penal code in Texas needs a second look?! If you ask me, it needs a total overhaul man.

It seems the penal code gives the cops a lot of angles to do Fk'd up @!$%# like this and walk away. Unbelievable man...

... and to top it off... if all that wasn't enough...

"Texas cops destroy video evidence of colleague killing unarmed man"

http://rt.com/usa/police-shooting-photo-evidence-065/

I live in this area, and for people saying that those of us who live in TX are proud of this, have no idea what you are talking about. Like any other state, we have had much increased police brutality, and in this case, murder. Most people here are angry that this guy is not in jail, which is exactly where he should be.

To everyone in every state, please note that the majority of cops sign up because they want the power that comes with a badge. They are itching to use their weapons, innocence be damned. When we speak out, and there will be posters on here to do so, other people say that you must be a criminal if you don't like the police. We are not criminals. We are people who want police held to the same standard as the rest of us, and if you can't handle the job, you need to do like everyone else and find a job you can handle.

A lot of people who live in the other 49 states would feel safer if this problem could be blamed on one state in particular; but that is not true. Every state has police officers that are unfit for duty like this man and unfortunately all the warning signs are ignored until after a tragedy takes place. It takes a special kind of person to be a police officer, face the dangers they do and still hold on to both their sanity and humanity....

It is a reasonable question to ask why "firing" this police officer was suitable punishment for killing an unarmed man.

Why wasn't he arrested and charged?

Also, I hope there is a special place in hell for all of these "lawyers" that defend these types of innocent public "servants"

I agree with myspellchecker. Police departments attract a certain type mentality and therein lies the problem. The type A power hungry military types should be weeded out and replaced with men and women that feel their job is to serve the interests of the people.

This cop should be indicted and tried just as any other citizen would be.

Ed - the police in our towns and cities are a reflection of the people they are pulled from. That being said, cops are being put under more and more pressure to ensure they do not use any type of force, until some sort of force is place upon them. A lot of times it's too late. They are place on the back end of a bad situation. That doesn't describe this cop, as he was clearly in the wrong, and should likely be charged with any number of felonies.

IXLR - So a 10 round magazine would have been better in this circumstance? I wonder if he would have re-loaded (like he did). Smaller clips mean you can carry more of them. You can carry single stack doubles, which equate to roughly the same amount of rounds.

If all the pertinent facts are in the article, (what are the chances) the cop will lose his suit, the Dept will get sued for putting a man out there who can't control himself thus creating a public hazard and more. And public pressure may cause the DA/ADA to charge him with a crime. Who knows what an investogation will turn up. Maybe the cop has overreacted before and the Dept knew his tendencies. Maybe this was a "snap" and nobody would ever guess it would happen. The trial will get facts out.

Good Ole MSNBC with half of the story.

They leave out where Tuter's fellow cops tried to destroy dash cam and cell phone video and they also leave out where after shooting Allen 40 some odd times they then send a dog into the truck after him. The dog biting Allen on the neck and face then the dog dragiing Allen out of the truck.

Wallace lived in the house where the murder took place, right in his driveway.

“From the time they yelled, ‘Get out, get out,’ they didn’t give him three seconds to get out,” Mitchell Wallace said, adding that he counted about 20 bullet holes in Allen’s truck.

Wallace and his wife were asleep when the gunshots began, but they quickly made it to the porch to see Allen’s passenger being pulled from the truck and a police dog jumping into the cab. The German shepherd bit Allen in the neck and jaw area and dragged him out of the truck and onto the pavement, Wallace said.

Police officers pulled the dog off, flipped Allen on his stomach and handcuffed him before checking his pulse. Autopsy results are pending on the cause of Allen’s death.

Wallace took cellphone pictures and video after the shooting stopped, but he said Mesquite police confiscated the phone and deleted the video and pictures. The phone was returned four days later, he said

“From the time they yelled, ‘Get out, get out,’ they didn’t give him three seconds to get out,” Mitchell Wallace said, adding that he counted about 20 bullet holes in Allen’s truck.

Wallace and his wife were asleep when the gunshots began, but they quickly made it to the porch to see Allen’s passenger being pulled from the truck and a police dog jumping into the cab. The German shepherd bit Allen in the neck and jaw area and dragged him out of the truck and onto the pavement, Wallace said.

Police officers pulled the dog off, flipped Allen on his stomach and handcuffed him before checking his pulse. Autopsy results are pending on the cause of Allen’s death.

Wallace took cellphone pictures and video after the shooting stopped, but he said Mesquite police confiscated the phone and deleted the video and pictures. The phone was returned four days later, he said.

Total bull$hit... in many countries in Europe if you do not stop when police is chasing you, they will open fire on you. The only complain I have that the cop was such a poor shot. 41 shots to kill the dirtbag? Give me a break... how about AIMED fire, instead of SPRAY fire?

I say give up your guns the police will protect you

breadex

Statistic say that even the best trained gunners (law enforcement and military) MISS 7 out of ten times when under duress. Thats on average. This guy just upped that number.

Yes, it does happen under duress -- especially when the person doing the shooting either has very little training -- or fails to remember their training. And then you have the cops who deliberately go out of their way to just plain arsewipes....

Nice to think of that when you hear that citizens can stop unwanted crime by being able to carry firearms. Maybe it has not happened yet but somday several people with guns will be at a supposed crime scene and try to play john Wayne and I hope I am no where near that.

The problem with that is the average cop is held to a lower standard of responsibility than ANY private citizen who has gone through the background checks and licensing procedures to obtain a Concealed Carry (or just Carry, depending on where they happen to live) License. Cops get to draw their weapon, wave it around and shoot at "perps" who they think have a gun or are going to harm others. Us private CCW Citizens have to be 95% beyond-a-doubt certain that we, or someone else, is in imminent danger of being harmed or killed before we can even think about drawing our weapon(s).

40 plus shots? They should fire him for being inept.

They did fire him -- for excessive use of excessive force. It took SIX MONTHS for them to do it, though.

Max^108

Total bull$hit... in many countries in Europe if you do not stop when police is chasing you, they will open fire on you. The only complain I have that the cop was such a poor shot. 41 shots to kill the dirtbag? Give me a break... how about AIMED fire, instead of SPRAY fire?

So he was a "dirtbag" just because he didn't stop when the cops told him to? Ok, then the next time a cop tells you to do something and you fail to comply immediately, no matter what it is they want you to do -- perhaps that cop should be allowed to shoot YOU.

I believe this kind of action comes down from the federal level of thinking, look what happens to anyone who speaks out against federal ideology, they ether shut the hell up all of a sudden, mysteriously disappear, or end up dead in a myriad of ways reminiscent of mafia days, dead men tell no tails. Just do a search on Larry Sinclair, do a little snooping and see where that leads you.

Statistic say that even the best trained gunners (law enforcement and military) MISS 7 out of ten times when under duress. Thats on average. This guy just upped that number.

Trust me this cop did not miss 7 out f 10. More like he hit 7 out of 10. You need to do a search and read the other accounts and video of Allen's truck. The shots are in patterns one near center top drivers door(about 14 or so), another 10 in rear drivers door angled towards driver and a bunch at the door handle.

The aticle also does not mention(I think) that Allens girlfriend was in the truck when all this went down. I would bet that he shielded her from the bullets

From the victims father

“I believe they shot him because he’s gotten away from them before,” she said. “When Michael feels threatened, he gets out of there. He gets to where he doesn’t feel threatened. He was trying to get to where he felt safe.”

I think Allen had every right to fear the cops. It may have been that they even threatend him in the past

OBX, I agree that this cop should be arrested and tried for his crime. I doubt it will happen. The Policemans union will probably block that.

As for the lawyers who defend such people, I cannot agree. Right or wrong EVERYONE deserves their day in court and the best legal defense they can afford.

Again, another idiot cop draws a blanket statement that all cops are terrible and should die and are power hungry and blah blah blah. This cop was certainly in the wrong and certainly deserves any repercussions that come his way. But look at how many cops are in this country. Most aren't shooting unarmed people 40 times. Most are good people. You just don't hear about the ones who do their job. They just get attention when one goes off the deep end and do something stupid.

The way I look at it there are a lot of douchebags in this country, some of them just happen to become cops.

The cop should now be executed, preferably in public with bullets. An eye for an eye. Then there will be justice.

Give a moron a badge and a gun and he's still a moron. Give a gun and badge to a whole lot of morons and you have a police force.

Of course he was fired. Any cop who can't do the job in 10 shots or less isn't worth a place in the thin blue line.

At what time does "Stop in the name of the law" cease and "I'm just gonna kill this Son of a Bi#ch" start?

Michael Allen, 25, was shot and killed after a high-speed chase that began in Garland and ended in Mesquite, Texas. Allen was wanted on suspicion of eluding police in Sasche a few days earlier.

So far it doesn't say he was wanted for murder, attempted murder, armed robbery, rape, kidnapping. It says wanted on SUSPICION of eluding police!!!

SHOT 41 times.....at least 2 clip changes....interesting!

The article below says other cops were involved, but NONE fired any shots, and the cop lied about him ramming the police car, I guess the idiot forgot about his "dash-cam!" Allen had a problem with possession of controlled substances, maybe a lil weed. Seems this particular cop may have wanted him dead, keep him quiet about something.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2012/09/chase-ends-in-shooting-death-of-suspect-who-rammed-garland-police-car.html/

Thats all you have to do is read the headline to be disgusted here...Texas, cop shoots 41 rounds...pathetic...too bad the govt didn't allow them to disconnect from the US.

Very tragic event. Although there is no video to watch of the shooting itself, there is video of the truck being taken away ( link is in the article above ). You can see the side of the drivers door has a tight grouping of bullets. These shots look like they would have hit a person sitting in the vehicle in their chest. There was many other shots in the side of the vehicle that you can see too. 41 shots is a lot of rounds to be fired.

Seriously, Texas? What, a piece of land is proud of a police officer killing someone? Yes, all 26,509,203 people feel that this is wonderful and ok.

Whatever...

thank god for cameras.they always lie then a camera tells the truth.

@Quacked - I have zero - yes, ZERO - sympathy for people who engage police in high speed chases, creating huge risk for innocent people along the way. As far as I'm concerned, they should be shot like rabid dogs.

At what time does "Stop in the name of the law" cease and "I'm just gonna kill this Son of a Bi#ch" start?

I would be willing to bet the second Allen's foot hit the accelerator, maybe even before that due to the cops stating he eluded them before. It may have been that that Allen had something on the cop, like maybe he is just another dirty cop and Allen needed to be silenced

I guess the idiot forgot about his "dash-cam!"

No he did not forget as there were other cops there trying to erase the dash cam video, you know the THIN BLUE LINE. The cops also erased video from the home owners cell phone where the shooting took place. Nevermind they then sent the dog in to attack Allen after riddling him with bullets. There are also reports of Allen's girlfriend being in the truck at the time. My quess is he may have tried to shield her

Max you are wrong.

So what if Allen feared for his life and wanted to get to somewhere he thought was safe. Gee yeah all the cops are good and would never just kill or maim anyone. Such a fool you are, you must be LEO, and here you sit and posit on your high horse most likely with a baton cracking skulls

DanTheManOfVegas, yes, Texas. Texas imprisons and executes more of its citizens than any NATION in the world. 90% of the police violence videos come from Texas.

LAPD is bad, I will grant you that. But Texas cops are MUCH worse than the worst cops anywhere else. In 1978 two Houston police officers handcuffed a Mexican man and through him into a canal. They served not one single day in jail. The guy in this story was obviously NOT doing his job, kills a man and does not one day in jail. Ever see the signs on the highway in Texas? "Dont mess with Texas", they say. Instead of a welcome, Texas levels a threat.

@myspellcheckerisbroken You're an idiot and know nothing about law enforcement or police officers. I've been a police officer for 13 years and the last thing I (or any other officer I know) want to do is use my weapon. It's not about power, it's about community service and a commitment to making my community a safer place to live.

You and comments like yours are the reason people hate cops. Are there a few bad apples in our profession? Absolutely. There are bad apples in every profession. It's just that our bad apples grab all the headlines because no one cares about the accountant that embezzles money from his company or the truck driver who got plastered and plowed his truck into a family of 6.

Why don't you come out here and try to rescue a 2 month old girl from a car that just got smashed into at a red light by a drunk driver...then have to go to the hospital with her blood all over your uniform and tell her family she didn't make it...and then wear that same uniform home to your family. Then I'll let you complain about bad police officers.

He should not have been pursuing the boy out of his department's jurisdiction, to begin with. Dispatchers should have already alerted the next city and the local cops there to take over. This cop went way over the line and should have several charges levelled against him. This is way too close to where we live, and my teenager will be driving soon. There are less than 30K people where we live, but almost everyone I see pulled over that looks to be under 21 seems to be getting their car searched. It's scary.

And furthermore, are jails are full of scumbags who have broken the law so many times. Then the courts and jury release this crap to do it again. The police arrest the same people time and time again. Yes, wait until a piece of crap has been arrested 10 times, released 10 times and finally kills some one. If this punk was in a gang or running from a crime, or just screwing with the police by running, too bad. If this little piece of crap did not run, he'd be alive. Too bad the policeman had too get fired for doing his job. How many police are murdered doing their job protecting your butt? The kid got what he asked for!!! If his crappy parents try to sue, I hope they don't win unless the money would be used for better parenting lessons!

You and comments like yours are the reason people hate cops

No Desolate, Just like a cop-it's always someone elses fault. The reason people hate cops is because of the thousands of of videos of police abusing their power. I bet you also stand up for Ramos and Cicinelli, you the two charged(but more charges are coming or have come) for the bludgeoning of Kelly Thomas. 7 cops for 20 minutes clubbed, tased(until batteries dead), kicked, punched, piled on, and then broke taser off in his face. Yeah that might not be why people fear or hate cops. I could give you hundreds of names but folks like you think the cops are always right

@fishman - I got a direct taste of police brutality a few times in my life and I know they are no angels. But high speed chases people love so much are flat out NUTS. Give me a M-14 rifle, armor piercing rounds, and a helicopter, and I will put a hole in the engine that will stop the car. Short of that, police have my support in using lethal force on the fleeing driver.

Wow Elayne...guess your child(ren) deserve Angel-status for your mommy skills. People make mistakes and sometimes do stupid things, and kids are people also. Plus, they're kids....they don't have the benefit of wisdom/experience to give them better common sense until they earn it. Some earn it early, and some make it to old age with having never learned anything. Saying that a kid's bad judgment made him deserve to be killed is one of the most moronic statements I have seen. He ran, which was stupid...but he didn't deserve to die for it.

If this little piece of crap did not run, he'd be alive.

Elayne And you know this how? You ever consider this cop wanted the kid dead to begin with?? If you think it does not happen then you are a fool. There was no reason to shoot Allen and video shows it, the same video that cops tried to erase-the dash cam along with a home owners cell phone video that they did erase but was retrieved. There are so many cops that are way worse then the criminals they arrest or kill. Do a search for pedophilliaic cops you would be surprised

We have programs to eliminate bullying in my school. The question is, after we get rid of all the bullies who will man the police force?

Seems odd also how MSNBC missed the report of how head Obama officials threatened Bob Woodward because they did not like what he reported-the truth.

This MSNBC article on the shooting also does not half half of the information regarding this shooting-also seems odd.......NOT

they cant tarnish the agenda they are pushing for

Why wasn't he arrested and charged?

Because the police believe they are above the law. It's plain and simple. Cops where I live are way more worried about being tough-guys than serving the community. And, Elayne, it doesn't matter how much of a "scumbag" he was he is still an American with rights. Regardless, being wanted for eluding police is a far cry from being a dangerous threat to the community. Yes the innocent bystanders need to be protected but how safe are they when you have violent, idiotic cowboy cops shooting 40 shoots in a residential area? Think about it.

Murder charges should be filed and the cops that destroyed evidence should be charged as well. Of course they won't because they are above the law. Honestly, we could do without half the cops in this country. Yes big cities like New York or LA need real cops but local, small-town cops are often a waste as they do nothing but sit around (on taxpayer dime no less) and treat the taxpayers like were second class citizens. I guess that high school diploma does make them pretty wise but everyone needs to earn respect. A uniform and minimal education alone don't cut it.

Short of that, police have my support in using lethal force on the fleeing driver.

Ahh Max, Allen was already boxed in and any report of him trying to flee futher was a lie made by the cops. So if you and your family or just you are out and your not armed then someone starts shooting at you are you not going to run? It may be that Allen already feared for his life before the chase started.

I got a direct taste of police brutality a few times in my life and I know they are no angels

Meaning you were the the one doing the beating? Oh maybe you think it is OK because it was a cop. And the cops that kill their wives or touch kids are ok too...right???? Oh sorry it was Desolate that was the cop.

Give me the same m14 or M1a(although I prefer ar10) and I will put a hole in the engine while standing on the side of the road. Problem is cops don't use the M14 and most can't shoot. By the way I could also do the same with a slug gun. Heck a rifled slug will pass end to end onthat truck, I know for a fact

Why run from the police?

I fear police more than I fear criminals. Simple because against a criminal you can attempt to defend your self.

Chepa. Maybe he knew this particular cop and knew the guy wanted to kill him.

I wonder if this guy knew the cop was dirty before the car chase even happened. This sounds more like murder than police brutality.

You never know, this cop might have been on a cartel payroll.

This happened 6 months ago???????

Someone Kill that COP! He deserves to be shot 42 times for what he did- no excuses.

And the sad fact that the the cops lawyer will probably get his job back.

Feel sorry for the family's loss- running from the cops should not equal death.

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HATE COPS plain and simple.

NOW IMAGINE if this were a black kid or mexican- it would be on the news the next day. Why did this one take 6 months??????? good question blutowski!!!

The lawsuit says that Michael Allen did not have a weapon and did not pose a threat to officers. The lawsuit also says that Tuter's use of force was excessive.

This was not excessive use of force, that would let this guy off the hook. This was assassination, Murder. No other word for it.

Try job hunting with that on your resume.

Cops treat everyone like Bin Laden until proved otherwise.

Every single time I have dealings with them it goes bad. Really bad.

I imagine they will shoot me at some point. It gets closer each time.

Nationwide phenomenon . Not just Texas.

Blutowski -

then based on your assumptions the cop could've been in a cartel payroll going after a rival cartel memeber.....??

Im not trying to justify the cops actions but if a cop tells you to pull over, you do so.. of course unless you know the cop is trying to kill you because you are a cartel member and you know the cop is under the rivals cartel payroll just like you assumed...

If this officer is not charged, then Texas, politically, does apparently condone vigilante justice.

Most of the police I know are great people who really do want to be of service to their communities and this kind of event just makes their jobs much more difficult. It is terrible when the police who do protect us are constanly being treated like monsters. Are there cops who do awful things? Of course there are. There are also doctors, priests, teachers etc who do awful things and in the course of their work, not just their private lives. Lets not paint them all with the same brush.

Why did this one take 6 months??????? good question blutowski!!!

Well if MSNBC reported it then it would get in the way of them ramping up for the governments gun control. All of their ramping up began with Auroa and has been ramping up since then. Kinda makes ya wonder about some of these shootings(school, mall,etc) or atleast the news being reported

To Protect and Serve is complete Bullshlt

They protect themselves and other government folks and and serve notice of impending beating or death to those that don't obey their unlawfull commands.

Police even faought in court that they have no duty to protect citizens or even stop a crime.

Warren vs District of Columbia guess what the cops won. Wonder who the cops really work for

No, Desolate defender

You are the idiot, and you have posted your idiocy on the internet for all to see. I can more than qualify my comments and more than likely know more about law enforcement than you will ever know, but no one on here cares.

What they do care about is crooked, murderous, thieving police who use the badge to get away with their crimes and bully or harm the very citizens who employ them. It's not a few bad apples. It is a majority of them who are now having light shed on their many crimes by dash cams and people with the ability to record their crimes.

The idiot officers that lie for them are just as guilty. The idiots in this case tried to erase the dash cam video (a crime). In the eyes of honest people like the rest of us, they are complicit in this man's murder, and need to be arrested, just as he needs to be as well. Those are facts. You can only fall back on name-calling and generalizations.

And I will write it one more time for you to understand. If you cannot handle the job, then just like everyone else, you need to be shown the door and get a different job.

You and comments like yours are the reason people hate cops.

Nope. Cops are the reason people hate cops. Not to say that ALL cops are a$$holes, but the ones who aren't are in the slim minority.

I agree with most of the comments on here and think they hit the mark.

But I can't help but wonder how different they'd be if Mr. Allen had been an "aspiring rapper".

And it will only get worse. The pentagon keeps gifting surplus military supplies to police, all over the country, and all over the country, they seem to take a page out of Seaside Heights NJ police playbook, and recruit the d****iest of the d****iest, lacking intelligence, and bringing out big egos. What happened to recruiting REAL police officers? They don't want real police officers, they want puffed up yes men, that are willing to do anything, but use their brain, to get the job done. A bunch of jackbooted thugs. Can't wait to see what kind of morons that are gong to be hired, once corporations manage to privatize police forces.

Law enforcement prefers to draw its force from the pool of ex military. Ex military personnel are trained in weaponry and trained to kill. Police brutality exists because they have been unable to switch from being mentally programmed to believe that in war time, "everyone is the enemy" to "innocent until proven guilty"; thus the reason we witness excessive police force. Department heads enable and cover up that behavior, just as the military. Military men and women need that aggression in order to fight the enemy. The problem is, we are American citizens, we are not the enemy.

I can understand they need some form of immunity when they use force or they wouldn't be able to perform their job, but when it's found they've used force above and beyond what was necessary, why are they often allowed to just walk away, free from prosecution. The system needs to change. It's broken.

It's no longer just the black community of South Central Los Angeles or Detroit, or any other rough community who are complaining and seeking change and justice. It's spreading across every community.

41 shots. Should be fired because he doesn't know how to aim a gun.

I don't know about Texas, but many states forbid officers from continuing a high speed chase unless the suspect is wanted for a violent offence. This is intended to minimize the possibility of "collateral damage". The officer could follow at a safe distance and coordinate support to set up roadblocks or stop strips and take the suspect into custody with minimal damage all around.

not my fault.....

I have to admit, you have a very good point there. Especially considering he could have kills innocent civilians with the 35 or so shots that missed.

Desolate Defender:

Your user name says alot about how you see and categorize yourself: alone defending the world.

It's possible you are one of the few who use your power for the good of humanity, and if that's the case, there's really no need to be defensive.

People are recognizing patterns and big problems within law enforcement. Please don't lower your own standards by trying to defend it.

Elayne, the police's 1st & foremost job is to uphold the law, not protect you. If they fail to protect you in some situation, generally they can't be sued. There's an interesting book, Dial 911 and Die: the Shocking Truth about the Police Protection Myth, by Richard W. Stevens, Attorney at Law, Mazel Freedom Press, Hartford WI 1999, that relays some truly horrifying stories about police actions (or inactions) leading to the death of ordinary citizens, i.e., non-criminals. "...next time someone breaks into your house, call your mother..." ? You might get a faster reaction time than from 911. (Actually, my mother has a S&W model 10 in .38 Special, so calling her might not be such a bad idea....).

For the record, I believe most cops, at least in my city (Columbus OH) are perfectly ordinary people w/ families, mortgages, dandelions in the back yard, etc etc, and have no blood lust in their hearts.

Yes, the guy was stupid for running, but calling him "a piece of @!$#!" for doing this? "Nipped a problem in the bud"? You assumed he was going to be a threat to society because he did something like this? Good Heavens, if the police should happen to see someone jaywalking, would you support the police if they decided to chase him/her & run them over w/ their police car? We'll teach that scofflaw, who knows what other crimes they're planning to commit.

There is something wrong with the way police are trained.

This may be true in some places, but by and large, American law enforcement officers receive excellent training. The problem is that a few years in a typical law enforcement department or agency and some time out on patrol will effectively nullify the majority of the training in the officers who really weren't suitable candidates for the job in the first place. Of those who enter law enforcement careers, a startling proportion are NOT people who are suited for the job. Of those, some will actually grow into it and what the office and field environments subject officers to will bring out the worst in the rest of them.

One could liken it to students taking drivers' ed. The training is very good, but within a year or two, a lot of those same students amply demonstrate that they got no benefit from it.

Perhaps anyone who has had a pet monkey could relate. They can be very cute and charming as infants and they might take to training very well. In a couple of years, though, most will become aggressive and tend to destroy anything they can get their hands on. If the monkey hasn't figured out that you are in charge, he will by default assume that he is in charge and can do whatever he wants to.

There are a lot of veterans who go into law enforcement, but the majority of officers have no military background. Few rookie officers really understand and appreciate what their job is all about because that is counter to nearly everything society hears or sees in literature, television, or movies about police officers and law enforcement. A lot of officers don't really 'get it' until they're at least age 30, and many never do. Too many start out with a lot of promise but turn toward the dark side within a few years. The job requires a balance in personal traits that is not often seen today; an officer needs to be aggressive when called for, and a gentleman at all other times. At this late date, aggressive men tend to be those who are always aggressive. There aren't very many gentlemen left, and many of those thought of as such are really just wimps who are adverse to taking any risks or getting their hands dirty. You'll never see them in law enforcement.

The real trouble comes when a new officer starts to lose the ability to keep everything in perspective. Working with the worst society has to offer on a daily basis does this to a person after awhile. It is very important to have a balanced life when you work in law enforcement, but this becomes increasingly difficult to do. Thanks to the nature of the job, it is extremely punishing to families and home life. People who aren't cops tend to not understand, so before long a police officer finds that most all of their friends are other police officers. This isn't good. The divorce rates for police officers are astronomical in many jurisdictions, and the suicide rates aren't too far behind.

A police officer should have lots of off-duty time and needs to take not just vacation but a real hiatus every now and then to stay in touch with the real world where everyone he or she meets isn't another dirtbag lying to them or a potential threat to their life or health. Unfortunately, this just isn't going to happen in this day and age. Everyone is trying to get by with fewer officers doing the work and one of the inevitable results is that the work ends up consuming some of them.

TiGor:

There are a lot of veterans who go into law enforcement, but the majority of officers have no military background.

The military tends to disagree with you:

http://www.military.com/veteran-jobs/career-advice/military-transition/hot-jobs-for-former-military-personnel.html

Five Hot Jobs for Ex-Military Personnel
The US military is arguably the best-trained workforce in the world, and personnel who leave military service have skills that translate to virtually any career. Here's a look at five popular jobs that give the men and women who've served our country an opportunity to make a difference and move up.

Police Officer
Former military personnel hold a special place in the heart of police department recruiters across the U.S. The qualities of a great police officer are virtually identical to those of a great soldier: Both have a desire to serve their country and community and protect people and their rights. A career as a law-enforcement professional may appeal to those with military service because there are a variety of departments and specialties to pursue, not unlike the military.

Because vets are in such high demand, many police departments offer hiring perks, including extra points on the entrance exam, an age deduction from the maximum age limit, GI Bill benefits, retirement perks and more. Find police officer or security jobs.

what's with all the fuss? at least he didn't get tied to the van and dragged like in SA.

he was ticked because his hot nows were not hot thanks to the speed chase. Don't ever mess with a pig and his donuts.

NOW IMAGINE if this were a black kid or mexican- it would be on the news the next day. Why did this one take 6 months??????? good question blutowski!!!

Obviously, you haven't been keeping up with Florida vs. National media reports on what goes wrong when stand your ground meets up over-zealous citizens? Texas lets LEO's get away with cold blooded murder. Florida lets everyone/anyone shoot anyone - as long as they remember the "Get out of jail free card". Just say - I was in fear for my life, and you can walk.

The military tends to disagree with you:

Of course they do, Debi. Have you ever heard the old saying about asking a barber if you need a haircut?

It's a popular job choice for veterans, always has been. But you need to consider the source. The military establishment makes a lot of statements to the public that roughly parallel the rosy things that college admissions departments claim about abundant opportunities and future growth in various segments of the job market that, gee, they just so happen to offer majors in! What a coincidence!

If an applicant for a law enforcement opening was an Army MP, an Air Force Security Policeman, or something like that, that would be looked upon favorably in most places. Anything else just depends on what it was and how the municipality's civil service commission feels when they convene to select candidates.

What you posted above, if anything, used to be true. If you came of age at any point from about 1940 through the early 1970's, you damned well better have been a veteran if you applied to be a police officer. The prevailing view was that the only men who weren't veterans in that era were either farmers, draft dodgers, or rejects. Since the early 70's, and especially since the early 90's, the percentage of the population of career-starting age who happen to be veterans is shockingly small. Out of a hundred applicants for a law enforcement position, maybe ten to twenty will be veterans at this late date. Most of the applicants, however, have taken criminal justice courses in community colleges or other post-secondary schools and had been planning to get into law enforcement. The remaining number, possibly up to 10% or so, were just looking for a job and showed up to take the Police Officer Selection Test on a lark.

I would say that police departments in communities that have a significant military presence (i.e.: San Antonio, Seattle, etc.) are likely to have a far greater number of military veterans within their ranks than communities that are nowhere near a base or other installation. Of course, a higher percentage of their population in general are veterans, too. Such a community is likely to have a civil service commission that seeks out veterans. Few if any out here in the hinterlands do, and would probably try to AVOID hiring a veteran if they thought they'd have to pay him or her more than the standard applicant with just an associate's degree in criminal justice.

TiGor:

Have you ever heard the old saying about asking a barber if you need a haircut?

The barber has a motive (financial) to push his opinion, the military does not.

Out of a hundred applicants for a law enforcement position, maybe ten to twenty will be veterans at this late date.

Since the war has been winding down, troops coming home will need employment. The most logical is law enforcement.

My main point is the military mentality is prevalent in our civilian law enforcement, which is a recipe for disaster.

If the officer's action were justified under the State's Penal Code, then maybe it's time to change that Code!

fishman-1985527

You and comments like yours are the reason people hate cops

No Desolate, Just like a cop-it's always someone elses fault. The reason people hate cops is because of the thousands of of videos of police abusing their power. I bet you also stand up for Ramos and Cicinelli, you the two charged(but more charges are coming or have come) for the bludgeoning of Kelly Thomas. 7 cops for 20 minutes clubbed, tased(until batteries dead), kicked, punched, piled on, and then broke taser off in his face. Yeah that might not be why people fear or hate cops. I could give you hundreds of names but folks like you think the cops are always right

Thousands of videos huh ? YOu seen them all yourself , each and individual one and know all the facts behind each case of them all ? As desolate said, the few bad apples make the rest look bad. Its a flawed thinking in society because all you people see is just the negative, even minority negative at that , and make it out to be some majority factor, other examples include, scandals in churches with say embezzlement, pedophilia , yet the Church itself never teaches such things, and the majority surely doesnt do such things. Lets look at how many cops , military personal there has been over the past 100 years im sure the numbers have to be way up in the hundreds of thousands, but if you were to see how much Good they have done for society and get off of the small group of them that done bad then you might be whistling a different tune. Any group can have bad things happen in it. I am very skeptical of thousands of videos, but even if it were authenitic abuses of power, thousands of police officers pale in comparison to the Majority of police officers over the past 100 years.

Marmaduke49:

We're not talking about the last 100 years. We're talking about the current afflictions affecting law enforcement and the alarming increase of abuses/corruption occurring today. This increase in unwarranted police violence is no longer limited to mainly rough neighborhoods of the country.

If it was only isolated problems, or "a few bad apples" as you suggest, there wouldn't be such an uproar and outpouring of complaints from people of all economic and social backgrounds.

Denial and defending the unacceptable status quo of today's law enforcement damages your credibility.

The barber has a motive (financial) to push his opinion, the military does not.

Oh, yes the military does have a motive.

First, it's recruitment. Prospective enlistees are told several times about how available military specialties 'translate' into civilian careers after a term of enlistment has been completed. This is one of the recruiter's biggest 'selling points' to induce a young adult to sign the dotted line.

Secondly, the armed forces actually pressure service members to separate. The military is very much a pyramidal hierarchy. They generally need all the privates, airmen, or seamen they can get. However, they need far fewer Non-Commissioned Officers, or sergeants. If you enlisted, you cannot just keep reenlisting on your own volition for as long as you like. 'Up or out' has long been the order of the day; either you perform well enough to be routinely promoted, or else you're forced out when you've stayed in your pay grade too long. Not everyone can be promoted, however, as the number of slots in the higher pay grades that need to be filled become increasingly rare. I know from experience that the Air Force requires that you be approved for reenlistment before your current term ends. Encouraging service members to not seek to reenlist alleviates things somewhat. Suggesting various civilian careers that an enlisted service member may look into helps to keep the upper echelons of the 'pyramid' thin, like they're supposed to be.

Since the war has been winding down, troops coming home will need employment. The most logical is law enforcement.

This isn't any more true now than it has been at any other time in recent history. There is no massive demobilization like there was following WWII. The percentage of the population that has been enlisted during the past decade is largely the same as it was during the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Most enlistees put in their four or six years, and then they're out looking for a career job. Law enforcement is a popular choice, but hardly the only one.

The larger factor is that many communities do not want many of the most recent veterans as law enforcement officers. There is a lot of concern over PTSD out there, and this is not lost on the civil service commissions who do the initial selection of police officers. They often strongly prefer that a police officer is as available as possible to serve the community, which is why there are often rules that an officer must live in the community or within ten miles of it. It's not 'proper' and, yes, it's discriminatory, but if an applicant identifies themselves as a current member of the National Guard or Reserves, that's usually a black mark on them because that commitment can pull them from their job as a police officer at inopportune times. The Individual Ready Reserve obligation for several years afterward is also a concern, and knowledgeable Civil Service Commission members prefer that an IRR obligation has expired before hiring a veteran as a police officer so they can't get pulled back into the service in time of crisis.

Most of all, many recent veterans simply are not fit for induction into law enforcement. You cannot just 'transfer' from the military to the police. It doesn't work that way! You have to be hired by the municipality that will employ you, who will then train and certify you. Large cities often have their own police academy, but quite often they have to send new hires to the state police academy for several months before they can receive state law enforcement officer certification. Typical cost is several thousand dollars to the local tax payers. Law Enforcement Academy is very intensely physical and involves lots of running. A veteran who has bad knees and a bad back from lugging all of his body armor and gear around for a number of months isn't likely to fare well, and this is hardly a secret to civil service commissions that have been burned a time or two by paying the tuition for a veteran police officer trainee who the Army or whatever service had transformed into an old man by age 22 or so. It's not a mistake they make more than twice before they figure out to only send new hires they know will be able to get through the training and be certified at the end. No certification means they can't be employed anywhere in the state as a law enforcement officer.

My main point is the military mentality is prevalent in our civilian law enforcement, which is a recipe for disaster.

Most law enforcement agencies in the United States and around the world have always been paramilitary organizations. Most fire departments are, too, for that matter. Absolutely nothing new about this. The main difference is that police officers are not warriors and sometimes this is forgotten by those who are in such a position that they need to be the ones who remember it the most.

unarmed? he was driving a 2000 lb weapon at a high rate of speed , when summoned to pull over he made the stupid decision to haul ass thinking i can out run the cops......BS all he had to do was comply, and did not. why? he was a threat to public safety doing what he did. what was the cops supposed to do once he refused to pull over? just say oh well he is not stopping, just let him go........really? what if he hit and killed innocent people? then you would be blaming the cops for chasing him. it was HIS stupid decision to run, and it cost him his azz . police procedure gone wrong ? could be. i was not there. but i can tell you this, if the dipstick would have done what the cops told him to do and just pulled over, we would not be having this conversation. it is his own damn fault. and for that lousy bit of decision making i have no sympathy for this guy, just his family.

Shoot a few more fleeing felons and they'll be apprehended or dead felons.

The dude was driving a car...that's not a deadly weapon? Sorry mom...he got what he deserved.

thats the way i see it Joe, but teach them to shoot better!

Max^108

@Quacked - I have zero - yes, ZERO - sympathy for people who engage police in high speed chases, creating huge risk for innocent people along the way. As far as I'm concerned, they should be shot like rabid dogs.

Maybe...just maybe...the next one WILL NOT be a "friend or relative" of YOURS. If so, would you still feel the same, Max?

BTW, I somewhat agree with you. One should not run because that only induces dog-like chase from Cops and put other innocents at risk Xs 2 - by Cop and Suspect. However, the suspect did NOT deserve death in this case because he was cornered. The Cop should've waited for backup to overwhelm the area with coverage, so the suspect could see "it's OVER!".

DaveM-877764

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HATE COPS plain and simple.

NOW IMAGINE if this were a black kid or mexican- it would be on the news the next day. Why did this one take 6 months??????? good question blutowski!!!

Probably because YOU don't live in Texas, and there may be folks in other Texas cities hearing about this for the 1st time, also! All States/Cities News is NOT National News, but YOU can search for it, if you want to know. Do you hear about bad news in other cities of your State all the time? Probably not - only some of it, if it's BIG enough, racial or otherwise.

I now live in Florida and Casey Anthony is the ONLY big news I've heard about from Orlando. I hardly hear of ANY news from Tampa, Gainesville or Miami, unless it's big news. I hear about local news hourly/daily, good and bad, racial and non-racial, depending on your perception.

Again, you can search for All States/Cities news you want to know about, but you will NOT see it on ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc on a daily basis.

Case in point: When was the last time you heard News about Hawaii, that wasn't BIRTHER-related or the death of the (HI) Congressman - or the Pro Bowl? Do yo think no one was shot or killed there since?

Summarily executed for what..."Allen was wanted on suspicion of eluding police"?

Such an offense might merit an investigation, perhaps a trial, and appropriate sentencing. Might have a few months of probation - rather than violent death by a cop gone completely berserk. 41 rounds spent on an unarmed 'suspect'? Where did these rounds end up?

In comparison, "suspicion of eluding police" seems a minor offense compared to what the cop has committed. I wonder how much more blatant the violence the police will be allowed before the society being victimized will respond in kind? The fault will lie with the police and policies.

breadx #1.11

Your statistics are dead on (no pun intended) according to the LA County Sheriffs, and New York City PD studies I've read. The carnage that can be anticipated should armed citizens open fire in a mall, school, office building, theater is horrifying. Under those conditions, the 'hit rate' would be somewhere near 7% - 93% of the rounds going 'somewhere else'. Very comforting.

So you wish death upon his family? For having a different point of view? Sorry, pinhead, but you need to be reported. You are one sick sucker.

Good call.

However, the COP is the only perp in the story!

Innocent until proven guilty or lied about by a bad cop.

Cal

You ever consider that Allen may have feared for his life? We can see he had evry right too. It also does not mention in this MSNBC article(how convienent) that cops tried to destroy the video evidence and also after making swiss cheese of Allen sent the dog in after him, biting him on the neck, face, etc then dragging him out of the truck. Also does not mention that Allen's girlfriend was in the truck at the time. Cal you are one major dlckwad

News interviewer "So officer why did you shoot at this unarmed man 41 times?" Moron Cop "Because I ran out of ammo." News Interviewer "No! I didn't ask WHY you only shot at him 41 times, I asked WHY did you shoot at him 41 times?" Moron Cop "Ummm... because he called me a flatfoot and I ain't no flatfoot." News interviewer "Sorry I asked."

It is to bad the low life did not hit your family while they were driving down the road - I wonder if you would have a different view.

What if his family was hit by a stray bullet? How is that less of a threat?

The President is going to look into this an see if it was caused by high capacity magazines.

Cal, to which party are you referring to as a "low life"? They were both driving at high speed.

News interviewer "So officer why did you shoot at this unarmed man 41 times?" Moron Cop "Because I ran out of ammo." News Interviewer "No! I didn't ask WHY you only shot at him 41 times, I asked WHY did you shoot at him 41 times?" Moron Cop "Ummm... because he called me a flatfoot and I ain't no flatfoot." News interviewer "Sorry I asked."

Sorry, color, but no.

Here's the corrected version:

News interviewer "So officer why did you shoot at this unarmed man 41 times?"

Moron Cop "Because I ran out of ammo."

News Interviewer "No! I didn't ask why you ONLY shot at him 41 times, I asked why DID you shoot at him 41 times?"

*BANG!*

*crushing sounds can be heard as cop destroys camera*

taj:

One other reason, if I may. A dazzling ignorance, or utter lack of concern, of the lethality of the weapon he fired.

Revised!! Hell, they are just starting!! Wait until the drones start making the rounds!!! Some pimply faced kid whose only experience and morality come from video games controlling from remote a killing machine that our Dept. of Justice has already sanctioned!!

Beware of the DRONES.

if you have guy cornered without a weapon, and shoot 41 rounds of ammo.... bad effing shot, and still murder... cop or not.

No not a bad shot at all. I suspect this cop hit the suspect with more than half of the shots. If you follow the link it shows the truck. The shots are in patterns one near center top drivers door(about 14 or so), another 10 in rear drivers door angled towards driver and a bunch at the door handle.

This effing murderer(excop) needs to be in prison, the cop had to know the Allen was sudued before reloading. This excop has no control over his emotions, pluss he is a liar. Garland or Mesquite better bring charges against Tuter. It is also easy to see that the cop T-boned Allens truck and this was also in a very populated neighborhood

Maybe I missed it but I did not see in this article where Tuter's fellow cops tried to destroy the dash cam evidence and video from a phone. Another story when the THIN BLUE LINE comes to the forefront.

It happens all the time around America. Cops not speaking up or they actually break laws protecting the cop/cops that murder or abuse people.

Good thing the cop didn't have 100 round clips! He'da KILLED HIM MORE!

just a dumb kid killed by a dumber cop!!

How do they ever expect us to trust and confide in them when they are as ruthless as the crooks?

What if he was YOUR dumb kid Rocky? No matter what he did, what crime they think he committed, he didn't deserve what he got.

I generally side with the cops in many cases,,but not in instances like this.

Someone used my I D once and now anytime I'm pulled over our records are mixed together and the cops think I'm a paroled violent criminal.

I'm getting used to the taste of dirt and getting a little extra luv each time.

No seatbelt, ends up a face down in the dirt with a boot on my neck experience. After checking me for tattoo's they finally let me up and then try to give me every ticket they can think of just to cover their ass.

Never an apology for the treatment or even an explanation.

If he'd eluded the police in Sasche a few days earlier and had an APB on him, he may have tried to run to somewhere (anywhere) that he could safely let his girlfriend out. But then Mr.T decided to chase him out of his own jurisdiction. And fishman, I can't see that Obama or his officials would take any interest in this...they have bigger fish to fry (pardon the pun). Where we live is less than an hour from the Dallas area, and less than 20 minutes from Oklahoma. Kiddo will be getting their license soon and that scares me...not because of driving, but the road police for about 50 square miles around us. Every cop I know (and they number many, here and in a couple of nearby counties) are wonderful. They'd go to any lengths to protect someone. But I also know several here, and in nearby Okla. areas that are road cops, and they are some very scary people.

Mykiddosmom-

You make me sick. What the f- gives you the righ to disparage Mr.T.? Mr. T. is a friggin awesome actor AND a role model for ALL kids DESPITE being a minority.

Right, I don't think he was worried about his GF, sorry, he's not the type.

It's nice that you're so "familiar" with so many cops and they are such nice guys and good tippers. Just wait til kiddo runs a red light. I hope, for your sake (and his), that he's only caught by a red-light camera and not a cop.

It has become painfully apparent over the past 40 or 50 years the police know, without reservation, that they will not be prosecuted no matter the situation or the body count. Voluminous documentation exists that proves this point.

I'd like to see a full-length film exposing, without prejudice, these actions - including booking and medical examiners photos/films, and the (lack of) prosecution of those responsible.

I agree why was he not charged, if they don't charge him other officers will be doing the samething not that its not happening already.

BMette

Reloading twice, and firing 41 shots at a person suspected of "eluding police" constitutes murder.

And hysterical cowardice on top of incompetency.

What does "do ripping" mean?

Anabolic steroid use.

MOTH man

He didn't shoot at all. The gun did it! It was not pleased with the low rate of gun violence in the country.

Just the bad ones there are others who do not deserve the blanket bad cop statements. Bad part about it is some of the good ones protect guys like this

It happens in ALL states. NYC where some cops shot 27 times at a guy holding his wallet and 9 innocent citizens were also wounded on the street. LA where 2 ladies delivering papers were shot with no warning.

Cleveland, cops shoot 137 rounds and kill two UNARMED men after a chase. Oh and at least 57 cop cars in the chase.

Greggy-

LA - How many shots were fired by EIGHT police officers at 2 women delivering newspapers?

Yeah... Texas problem... More like a people who haven't got 2 brain cells to rub together problem.

i didnt know that a kid running from the law like they see on tv everyday, was a capital offense.

summary execution for all these "law breaking terrorist" is apparently what the state calls for?

drive across the state borders and you will notice what a para-military state texas has become as soon as you go into texas... all in the name of the "law"

if you are poor, run for your life... gtfo of texas... texas is what a fascist state looks like in the modern usa

if you aint got money or position, gtfo of texas or submit to the class you are in and do as you are told

wth u talking about ?

Pucky, pucky, pucky! You have one of the worst cases of verbal diarrhea I have seen in a long time. Why don't you go take some Immodium? I know it only was designed to work when the high velocity fecal discharge goes the other way, but in your case, it's worth a shot. Or maybe 41 shots? If you think the police are no different than everyone else, you are truly delusional. Your attempted defense of this pig's actions is quite bizarre. Not all cops are pigs, but this stinking turd was, and he should be charged with second degree murder at the very least. For now, however, you should just STFU and GTFOH.

and DIAF while you're at it. I heard the cops can help you out with that. Just ask for a few "burners" and they'll be happy to light you up.

puck:

My brother was greeted by flashing lights on the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge in Seattle. No place to pull over - none, zero. Rather than stop traffic, he continued to the end of the bridge where he stopped out of the traffic stream. He was given a ticket for "failure to stop for an emergency vehicle" - no moving violation. He was, apparently, lucky. Rather than being murdered, he took his ticket to court, and it was summarily dismissed by a magistrate as utterly nonsensical.

The investigation is still ongoing.

So if he dropped the suspect with one shot, all would be well in you view? Nice!

Only pig here is you low life.

You should talk, piggy!

Let me set the situation straight for the pig hater. My husband is a cop, in Texas. This type of behavior is totally over the line. The cop should be fired. But put yourself in a cop's shoes. When my husband leaves at night, he pulls over people who can carry a concealed weapon. What if? I ask myself. The young man should not have died. My husband was called the "walking penal code" in the academy. His take on this was to stop the chase so NO ONE was hurt. It isn't worth it. But you forget the good things cops do. My husband caught a terrorist on 820 in Fort Worth. He has gone far beyond his call. Anyone could kill him for a traffic stop. Don't judge anyone before you have walked in their shoes. The cop who killed this young man obviously had other problems. I believe someone mentioned that he snapped. I can't speak for him, but I do know that of all the people he does catch, they have multiple warrants and deserve what they get. He does his job correctly and as far as this being a Texas thing, get real. It's happening everywhere. Kimberly Al-Hamsi is the terrorist. If you don't believe me, look it up. I detest people who have no sense and make all Texans look like we love being badass*s. Not all cops are bad. You are an insult to my intelligence. Obviously, you have had many run-ins with police or you wouldn't hate them so much. Look in the mirror idiot. This is a "you" problem!!!

I can`t teach you how to get your eyes, ears and brain to work individually let alone together. You assume all cops are pigs. You must have inside knowledge to arrive at that conclusion. Same with Texans though I never mentioned it. Are you trying to overcome a guilt complex? It is quite simple in your case, just ask your husband if he has ever crossed the line, abused his power or turned his back. If he wants you to impress us tell him to arrest a cop that crosses the line. Yeah right, we all know better than that. How about going after organized crime? Maybe go after Mexican cartels bringing all that dope through Texas instead of sitting at speed traps to collect extra revenue or are they too afraid to go after real criminals? Try to keep in mind that all black people are not criminals, all preachers are not pedophiles and all cops are not pigs even if you think so...

Yeah, except that most municipalities are so afraid of the trial lawyers that pursuits are routinely called off.

Read the part to us where it say they are permitted to shoot and kill unarmed suspects....41 times

Ya, keep listeining to the Supreme Court. Where do you live, Stepford? Maybe people should think for themselves.

So far the only crime, if it can be called that, this guy committed was "eluding the police". I would be eluding the police too if I had a wacko like this cop chasing me.

There is no, and I mean NO justification for what this cop did.

It would be nice to hear why the victim was eluding the police. Given that there was an inquiry into this mess you would think there would be more facts about what led up to this chase.

was he a wanted felon? like a murderer? violent felony?... so according to your post, a cop really does have permission to use deadly force on any kid who makes a run from the law? he gets to judge the guy on the spot? shake the mind control brother and see it for what it is and think if it was your own son making this type of mistake and whether you really believe he deserves to die like this kid did...if so, there is nothing i could ever say to you, to open your mind

are you so gung-ho for the law that you feel like this killing was justified in some way? blindly faithful to the gangsters that cloak themselves in our flag? we dont need people like this cop "protecting" us...

to say that anything a cop does is protected because fundamentally righteous is grieviously flawed, as this case shows

gd:

My bottom line includes 'innocent until proven guilty', 'sentencing according to the crime', 'equal protection under the law', and most importantly, 'the right to life'.

The man was executed, on site, for being a 'suspect' in a non-capital offense. So easy to have a cavalier attitude about 'someone else's' death. Every minute, every day, you are 'someone else' to 7 billion other people. Try an objective view at some point.

To this man, his death was anything but simple.

No one said it was OK to run. But 41 shots as punishment? Either the cop was blind or had the worst training in the world. He should be fired for not hitting the target the first 10 shots.

You must be one of them Texans

...YEEHAWW!!!

One of his stray bullets even went through a house window.

Pedro Faz lives in the area and is now fixing a window after a bullet passed through it and ended up in the family's dining room.

cal680 either your a cop or an idiot.

so we probably need to be killing all lawbreakers as they are all scum bags (takes one to know one, right brother?) i mean, why stop with killing unarmed kids?... there are bigger snakes we could all go after and kill, like bankers and lawyers, right?... how about the child molesters?... why cant we just run them down in their cars and execute them too....all we got to do is tell the child molesters that they need to run because the cops will kill them and simply do this to them when they run....

its a new form of execution, justified by the courts and sanctioned by the state....

its ok to kill another mans son as long as it isnt your's or someone else YOU love... got it, thanks for showing the ignorant side.

Cal680, I was waiting for someone to bring up that comment. You are 100% correct. The streets are definitly safer now.

Boy, two idiots in on this thread. Must be the day for the C's

cal:

Capital punishment for being a 'suspect'? And you wonder what's wrong with this nation? Check your mirrors. Better yet, check the Constitution, and your soul if you can find it.

You are a typical tea-bagger, and representative of all the mindless dolts out there who watched to many cop shows on TV, and think anything they do is fine. Unless it happens to you. Or a close relative.

Stop or I'll shoot, that's all need to be said... I;ll keep shooting until you stop....

dag:

A simple perspective for a simple mind. What's another dead 'suspect'? "Due process" simply inconvenient? That apply in all cases, including your own?

"Who cares how many bullets"? Ask those that have rounds coming in through their bedroom windows. Ignorance never has equaled courage.