Police dog searching for handgun accidentally pulls trigger

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A police dog searching for a handgun in a Massachusetts snowbank early Saturday accidentally pulled the trigger with his paw, discharging the weapon into a nearby house, authorities said.

Fortunately, no one was injured.


"I've been policing for 43 years and I've never seen or heard anything like this," Lawrence Police Chief John Romero told NBC News. "It's amazing."

Romero said Jeffrey Hart, a Lawrence police officer on patrol, heard three loud gunshots shortly after 2 a.m. Saturday. When Hart went to investigate, he saw a sedan barreling down the road at a high speed.

As he followed the car, he saw one of the passengers get out of the car and a bury a pistol in a mound of snow on the road's shoulder, Romero said.

Hart eventually pulled over the grey Honda Accord and found a 9mm shell casing inside -- and that's when officers from the Essex County Sheriff's Office were brought in to help locate the missing weapon. Officials with the sheriff's K-9 unit arrived at the scene with their 3-year-old black German Shepherd, Ivan, in tow. 

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As Ivan started digging in the snowbank for the buried pistol, he accidentally pulled the weapon's trigger, firing one shot into a nearby residence, Romero said.

"The officers were sure the dog was hit," Romero said. "But luckily, he wasn't. He was just startled."

Police were unable to locate the bullet, but they woke up the residents of the house to confirm no one was wounded.

The three men Hart found in the vehicle — Jose Calderon, 28; Alexander Gonzalez, 21; and Jorge Henriquez, 26 — were taken into police custody and charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and ammunition, receiving a firearm with a defaced serial number, and receiving stolen property, according to authorities.

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So, how would have the back ground check and waiting period prevented this? It's also really hard to get the paw into the finger print scanner....can not get the little paw fingers to spread far enough a part and those claws just keep getting in the way.

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#1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:25 PM EST

If the dog was carrying an assault rifle, this never would have happened. If the people in the house had shot the police dog, they would be safe today.

There just weren't enough guns involved here. More guns would have prevented this. Extra magazines would have helped.

Keep digging in the snow! There must be more guns!

PS - The bullet in the house that they couldn't find is probably inside the person they couldn't wake up.

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#1.1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:31 PM EST

OMG, what fools. You guys really think you're being funny? I mean, you can't be serious. You must have some neanderthal genes in your system.

Grow up and get real.

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#1.2 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:31 PM EST

Guess its too late to post before the first gun-nut comment now.

I just hope that the dog is really ok. Discharging a firearm so close could have hurt his hearing.

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#1.3 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:37 PM EST

3 more of Mexico's Finest. Just here to make better lives for themselves.

Shooting the people Americans are too lazy to shoot.

Robbing houses Americans are too lazy to rob.

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#1.4 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:57 PM EST

lol fk the dog, glad a HUMAN wasnt hurt or killed by the cops reckless action of using a canine to physically retrieve a gun from a snow bank. once the trained dog located the gun, the cop should have retrieved the gun, no matter if it was buried or not obviously the dog found it. police dogs are tools to be used property, not excuse a lazy cop for not wanting to go digging through snow getting his hands dirty.

the cop should be reprimanded and made to go through proper training on how to handle a police canine and properly do searches. accidents involving irresponsible cops are never excusable.

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:12 PM EST

Got the guns and ammo in Texas. Texas was too crowded, so they headed north.

Don't worry, though, there are plenty more guns being handed out in Texas to keep our dogs safe.

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#1.6 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:14 PM EST

@Blutowski 0.0

I've been noticing your posts lately... I like your style! Truth with humor.

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#1.7 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:18 PM EST

A police dog searching for a handgun in a Massachusetts snowbank early Saturday accidentally pulled the trigger with his paw...

And again, as always -- the gun did not come to life and send the bullet down the barrel all by itself!

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#1.8 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:23 PM EST

Again, as always, the gun and bullets came from a Texas gunshop.

(Most snowbanks don't fire bullets into your house, even if a highly trained police dog is an expert marksman.)

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#1.9 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:27 PM EST

CharlieChang

Again, as always, the gun and bullets came from a Texas gunshop.

(Most snowbanks don't fire bullets into your house, even if a highly trained police dog is an expert marksman.)

1) Where does it state the gun, or even the bullets, came from Texas? Please, quote the EXACT words that state where the gun and bullets came from.

2)It appears that you choose to ignore the words of the 2nd Amendment, which state specifically and un-ambiguously "The Right of the people to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed".

Now, just to make this absolutely clear to even someone of your level of intelligence, every dictionary I have ever seen defines "infringed" as "limited"; "violated"; "trespassed upon"; etc, etc, etc, etc. If you want to ban guns -- then you need to get the Constitution of The United States of America amended, because those four words, "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", are absolutely and specifically clear.

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#1.10 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:43 PM EST

Thanks old dog.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:43 PM EST

Now it is not just the police that is using excessive force their dogs are too.

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#1.12 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:30 PM EST

@CharlieChang

You are just gonna lie and make up facts and falsify events, and hope enough your your stupid political "kin" will believe it and push gun control measures.

Does that about sum yuo up? I say it does.

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#1.13 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:42 PM EST

Dag -

This was a POLICE dog. Obviously he is exempt from any gun restrictions.

Charlie -

The gun was stolen in Manchester, New Hampshire.

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#1.14 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:11 PM EST

several good ones in there.... excessive force, lol.

Guns don't kill people, Dogs with guns kill people.

someone should get all these armed dogs off the streets before they go bad and join the mob or gangs or mexican drug cartels.

BAD DOG!!!

now, someone rub his nose in it, he has to learn not to do that.

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#1.15 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:42 PM EST

The dog is now on paid administative leave until the shooting can be fully investigated.

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#1.16 - Tue Mar 5, 2013 1:46 AM EST

woke up the residents of the house to confirm no one was injured.

Why bother people when they are sleeping just to let them know that nobody was injured?

Police were unable to locate the bullet

Then how do they know it hit the house?

    #1.17 - Thu Mar 7, 2013 12:14 PM EST

    I can't teach my dog to get my shoes let alone shoot a gun. Truth is stranger then fiction.

      #1.18 - Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:45 AM EDT

      there is no need for banning guns, just universal gun checks. the firearn had a defaced serial #, meaning it was purchased legally but then sold illegally to the kids in the ghetto.

        #1.19 - Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:30 PM EDT
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        Hope Ivan gets some free drinks at the local cop bar when he tells this story.

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        Reply#2 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:30 PM EST
        Comment author avatarAlex Martinezvia Facebook

        Time for a ban on dogs now. Or at least limit dogs to only 2 legs so they aren't able to hurt as many people.

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        Reply#3 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:32 PM EST

        what was the dog's mental state and can charges be brought up to the owner of gun and its maker.WTF....

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        Reply#4 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:35 PM EST

        Take the dogs to the range. If they pass give them guns

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        Reply#5 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:40 PM EST

        Criminals do not care about gun laws or laws in general.

        Has that not become perfectly clear to the gungrabbers yet?

        Americans need guns to protect their own from those who do not care about gun laws.

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        Reply#6 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:40 PM EST

        Yeah, especially when a gun grabbing police dog shoots your house!

        If we arm our parakeets, poodles, and toddlers we can stop this madness.

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        #6.1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:18 PM EST

        A police dog searching for a handgun in a Massachusetts snowbank early Saturday accidentally pulled the trigger with his paw...

        What is about the fact that the gun did not just come to life and pull its own trigger that you do not understand, Charlie?

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        #6.2 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:27 PM EST

        Okay, a parakeet probably can't pull a trigger.

        No problem though, with a toddler.

        A toddler would have trouble getting a gun - unless he was in a daycare in Texas!

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        #6.3 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:34 PM EST

        And again with the anti-gun spew and a jab at Texas.... Tell you what, Charlie, take your act to Texas.

        BTW, I ain't from Texas.

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        #6.4 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:46 PM EST

        I thought guns in daycare was Rick Perry's solution.

        The NRA endorsed this plan.

        I was just giving Texas credit for this.

        How can this endorsement be a "jab at Texas?"

          #6.5 - Tue Mar 5, 2013 8:02 AM EST
          Comment author avatarRlee Emerysgtvia Facebook

          How much Moveon.org paying you to spew your Obama-lama-ding-a-ling prozac/lsd laced koolaide rants eh Chawie?

            #6.6 - Tue Mar 5, 2013 8:30 AM EST
            Comment author avatarRlee Emerysgtvia Facebook

            Progressives, protecting criminals, gang members & crazies since 1934!

              #6.7 - Tue Mar 5, 2013 8:31 AM EST

              please clarify something for me, how is it possible for a criminal to get hold of a gun if he cant pass a background check

                #6.8 - Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:33 PM EDT
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                anti-gun people are some scumbags . go hug the sin out of a criminal . don't like the gun laws , I dissmiss you , now you may leave my beloved country !

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                Reply#7 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:41 PM EST

                Lock your guns in a safe. When kids get a hold of guns, AD's (accidental discharges) can happen. See, Ivan was only three!

                • 1 vote
                Reply#8 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:42 PM EST

                Three illegal Mexicans. Should be the focus on this story.

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                Reply#9 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:50 PM EST

                And it only took 9 posts before someone else saw that. I hope that since these honest, hard working and possible "undocumented" criminals have been arrested that the police check on their status to be in the country. If they are here illegally then once their prison sentences are return them to the country that they are citizens of.

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                #9.1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:02 PM EST

                Three illegal Mexicans. Should be the focus on this story.

                Hey it doesn't say anything about them being from Mexico, idiot, where'd you get that idea, dumbass?

                  #9.2 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:19 PM EST

                  Don't be hasty. They could be Jeb Bush's grandchildren or Marco Rubio's cousins. If so, they will get off easy, like Jeb Bush's crack smoking Latina daughter.

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                  #9.3 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:23 PM EST

                  And yet, the worst shootings in our country are committed by white, american men...

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                  #9.4 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:27 PM EST

                  Hey, JustaPilot, how's that sequestration thing working out now -- y'know, the one that cut the funding that allowed to INS to round up them "illegals" and keep 'em in prison.

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                  #9.5 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:31 PM EST

                  Quack, All I can say is WOW.

                  Today is Monday and already every department in the federal government has had there budget slashed. Nope, I don't buy that. You do realize that in another MSN article online right now that of the $85b in cuts it says only $42b will actually happen right. And, the money being spent now is coming from a "continuing resolution" that was passed months ago, so no the INS still does have the money to enforce our border. And also since the local cops caught these three so far it isn't costing the INS one nickle. And don't forget these three if they are here illegally probably didn't sneak in to the country last night, but rather probably months or even years ago.

                  So, yes the federal government does need to trim some fat, but I do not fall for the chicken little story coming from the white house.

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                  #9.6 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:03 PM EST

                  Even thouhg the individuals are named Police are still trying to identify the three Hispanic young men...seems their serial numbers were rubbed off just like the guns.

                  @ Michael

                  "And yet, the worst shootings in our country are committed by white, american men..."

                  And according to reports most of them recently were Democrats or from Democrat leaning families...go figure.

                  Next

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                  #9.7 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:11 PM EST

                  @Michael.

                  1. DC Snipers - John Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo

                  2. Ft. Hood - Hassan Nidal

                  I'm sure there are others. Nut cases come in all ethnic backgrounds! Nice try!

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                  #9.8 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:05 PM EST
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                  Calderon, Gonzales, and Henrique with a stolen firearm with the serial number altered. Must be Mexican NRA members. Damn that Pierre guy and all those gun nuts! It's all George Bush's fault. If we only had stricter gun laws this definately would have happened. Hey MSNBC, Why don't you do a documentary and follow these 3 criminals through the judicial system and see what kind of punishment they get. You Know, how are the existing laws being enforced? Any of these guys felons? What are their backgrounds? Where are they from? That sort of thing. How 'bout it?

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#10 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:58 PM EST

                  The MSM won't report this. And, even the clown (Biden) admits they can't enforce the current laws, so, how do they expect to enforce new ones?

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                  #10.1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:41 PM EST
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                  Illegals & guns, will be the new underground economy. Nice going liberal morons.

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                  Reply#11 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:03 PM EST

                  Yeah, I hate all those liberal morons who own all those gun shops and sell guns at all those gun shows.

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                  #11.1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:36 PM EST

                  Wow, just wow. I do hope that when Charlie has something serious happen to him -- all he receives from anyone is tasteless and rude jokes.

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                  #11.2 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:48 PM EST

                  Why are thee liberals morons just because the gun idiots say so ?? It just happens to be the liberals are much more educated than the extreme right that just has to have their toys regardless if how many innocents are killed . It show any one with coomon sese who the real morons are. Biden is correct in saying that a shotgun is a better defense gun than a semi-automatic assault type weapon. Cop cars usually carry shotguns instead of assault guns which usually is used by the swat cops.

                  Gun nuts forget that the second admentment says a "well regulated militia "which isn't the unregulated gun owners. NRA wants absolutly no regulation at all. Eveyone should be be able to own anything that can kill regardless what

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                  #11.3 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:35 PM EST

                  Clayton, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.". See that little comma after state. that makes your militia arguement a moot point. You "well educated" liberal gun grabbers make me laugh. It's funny that you know more about constitutional law than the Supreme Court, which by the way has ruled against your arguement on multiple occasions. So take your liberal arts degree and pound sand with it...... As far as I am concerned you can have all the tofu you want, so leave my hobby alone. Now run along or you will be late for your drum circle

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                  #11.4 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:04 PM EST

                  Well said Ursa!! Sadly, with the overall disregard for punctuation, and what it conveys, in our txtspk times, the simplest ideas and meanings of language get completely overlooked by people who only see the words.

                  Clayton, reread what you wrote and HOW you wrote it and then try again to make a case for being more intelligent. To answer your question: No, liberals aren't morons because "the gun idiots say so", they're foolish AND selfish because they're trying to get legislation that will affect a huge chunk of the population passed on a bunch of "what-ifs?" and knee-jerk responses to tragic, unforseeable situations, instead of actually doing the work to make the system that's already in place better. They're also less-than-credible because they choose to ignore the facts. The facts are: 1) Criminals don't adhere to gun laws anyway, they often have full-auto and other military-grade weapons, more often than not purchased on the black market by illegal suppliers rather than stolen from legal gun owners. 2) Areas that have completely outlawed guns have the highest crime rates in America because the criminal element functions with no fear of retaliation from the citizenry. This nullifies the next stage of your argument... 3)That making it illegal for honest, responsible citizens to obtain certain weapons will keep them out of the hands of criminals who could steal them, or mentally unstable people who could obtain them legally(or otherwise) since the background check system isn't fully comprehensive. The bottom line is: if someone wants or needs a gun to commit an illegal act of any kind, there are plenty of ways OUTSIDE of the law for them to aquire one and that would STILL be the case if guns were banned completely. In that scenario, all you would be doing is disarming the public which would then let the criminals have free reign.

                  Banning certain firearms from the masses because a very small percentage MIGHT use them for nefarious purposes is ridiculous. Just like banning peanut butter from a school that has 800 students who love peanut butter because one or two students are allergic and could get sick or die. That seems to be the growing mentality among certain factions of Americans; deprive the majority for the sake of a few. It's ridiculous and anyone with any sense of personal accountability knows that that's no way to live. Nobody wants their rights infringed upon because a small minority can't handle responsibilty. Banning certain weapons that have multiple uses(hunting, sport, etc.) is not the way to go. Upgrade the checks and balances needed to obtain firearms so that someone who's shown that they may be a risk to themselves or others cannot legally obtain one. That, and shut down the cartels moving weapons across our borders and selling them on the black market and supplying criminal gangs. Any legislation that deprives responsible citizens of firepower equal to or greater than what the criminal element has is a potential death sentence for the "good guy". It's not just about "gun nuts" who "just have to have their toys", it's about the freedom for enthusiasts to enjoy their hobby, sportsmen to continue to practice their sport, and having viable protection if or when it's needed.

                  Plus, there's the whole "militia" thing; if or when it's ever neccessary to organize and rise up against a tyrannical government entity, we'll need more than single shot weapons or 5-round magazines. Most people laugh at the idea that we'd ever have to do that, but take a good look at what politics has become in this country, a 24/7 gravy train for those who have the money to keep it rolling, and those in positions of power and/or influence who want a piece of the action. What's good for the average American seems to factor into that equation less and less. Sadly, it's becoming more about backdoor deals and "what can I do for me?" instead of "what can I do for the people that elected me?", and that goes for both the left AND the right. How can we as a nation keep forgiving all the corruption that we've seen? No more than a month or two goes by without SOME politico from any level of government isn't in the news for doing something they shouldn't have. Geez, just look at Chicago, they can't catch a break lately!! I don't think most people realize that say, a citizen gets in trouble with the law, catches a felony case and is convicted, they do their time and get released to become a second-class citizen who can barely find a job that pays. If a politician finds himself in the same circumstances, well, they disappear for awhile until the heat dies down, and then they find another high-paying job in a different branch of government or, better yet, the private sector, where the real money is. Politics and corporate-level business are the only two jobs that someone could fail catastrophically at and still see a huge payday and the chance to do it all again somewhere else because they have connections. We see it happen all the time and people just don't believe we as a nation would EVER have a reason to stand up against our own government. I hope we don't, but to discount that possibilty just shows that you've already bought the party line and drank the proverbial Kool-aid. To bring it back to the gun issue: DON'T COUNT ON THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP YOU SAFE, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF. If someone puts a gun in your face on the street and all they want is your money, give 'em the money. But if you find someone in your home, try to detain them until the cops arrive. But, if there's more than one or if they act in a threatening manor or have a weapon, put two or three in their chest( which is kinda' the point of high-capacity magazines: one against a few without being outgunned). The world is probably better off without them anyway. Heartless? Yes. True? Most likely. Worth it to see your kid(s) graduate? Definately.

                    #11.5 - Tue Mar 5, 2013 4:17 AM EST
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                    First the NRA wants to attract women, and then children, and now dogs. I'm keeping an eye on my cat.....

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                    Reply#12 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:16 PM EST

                    Using animals for police work is disgusting. Pigs should not be allowed to have dogs.

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                    Reply#13 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:18 PM EST

                    Was it a LaPerriere hound by any chance?

                      Reply#14 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:39 PM EST

                      So, you read an Hispanic name and just assume that the criminals with the gun were in the country illegally? Way to jump to conclusions!! I don't recall reading that ANYWHERE in the article, if I missed it would somebody point it out for me? Here in the NorthEast(where this story happened) we have LOTS of legal citizens with hispanic names. In fact, unlike the West, most of the hispanics here are Puerto Rican, Cuban, or Dominican. Mexicans are pretty few and far between. But, to racist D-bags, any Hispanic name MUST belong to an illegal Mexican. Way to look like an idiot!! Pointing this out doesn't make me a liberal(I love my guns and am tired of our borders and citizenship process being ignored), just a born citizen of the USA with Latin/Hispanic ancestry who wants to keep himself, and others like him, from being lumped in with criminals just because of our heritage. That'd be like me assuming that all Italians are mobbed-up, or all blacks are poor, uneducated thugs, the list could go on. Chances are the scumbags in the article were citizens of the US, where we have plenty of homegrown criminals of ALL ethnic diversities.

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                      Reply#15 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:41 PM EST

                      their not?

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                      #15.1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:49 PM EST

                      Well Purity, I don't assume that they were here illegally, but.... if they weren't illegal before they are now.

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                      #15.2 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:06 PM EST

                      There is also a good chance that they ARE illegals. Maybe you are once since you seem to be so overly sensitive on that subject

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                      #15.3 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 10:37 PM EST

                      Do you think the lamestream media would report it if they were illegal? Not politically correct.

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                      #15.4 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:29 PM EST

                      So, Me-2179058, according to your logic, since I made a statement about people with Hispanic surnames being assumed to be illegal when there was NO mention of their resident status in the article, that MUST mean that I'm here illegally? How do you even make it through the day without tripping over your tongue? In your world is everyone who's of hispanic descent an illegal immigrant? Your thought process follows that someone who is strongly opposed to the death penalty being used on anyone, including child rapists, MUST be a child rapist because they're so "overly sensitive on (the) subject". You obviously didn't read my whole post before jumping to a ridiculous conclusion, which was kind of the point of my post in the first place. Way to go Slugger!! Since you've already proven yourself to be foolish, my guess is your next statement would be to further cast aspersions as to my citizenship so I'll save you the time. I was born at Genessee Hospital in Rochester, NY. Born here, to parents that were born here, to parents that were born here, and so on.

                      @JustaPilot- No doubt!! And they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If they in fact DO turn out to be illegal? Send 'em to Siberia. Sending them "home" on the taxpayer dime doesn't seem right to me. Send them somewhere they REALLY don't wanna' be and that is MUCH harder to get back from!!

                      @getoveryourself-I wouldn't know what is or isn't "lamestream media" or what they would or wouldn't report. The way I see it is that pretty much any "news" source is biased in some way, depending on who signs the checks(and THEIR affiliations on up the chain), but for people to just add things to a story that were never there, according to their own politics, is just plain dumb. Especially making assumptions based on their names. That would be like saying the three suspects in the story are scumbag mafia guys because their names are D'angelo, Costanza, and Tucci, instead of having Hispanic last names.

                      @MarkP-Really man? You still don't have a grip on the difference between "they're", "their", and "there"? Your diploma is a lie!!

                        #15.5 - Tue Mar 5, 2013 2:05 AM EST
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                        Awesome comment, Terri-2006096. And CharlieChang, I agree with your responses. I've read so many flawed arguments and skewed logic on this thread by the other side, that I was tempted to jump in and let them see the light or another point of view, but I won't; it'd be in vain anywhere.

                          Reply#16 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:44 PM EST

                          Awesome comment, Terri-2006096. And CharlieChang, I agree with your responses. I've read so many flawed arguments and skewed logic on this thread by the other side, that I was tempted to jump in and let them see the light or another point of view, but I won't; it'd be in vain anyway.

                            Reply#17 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:46 PM EST

                            To bad the criminal was not standing nearby when the gun went off. We all could have saved money in a criminal trial. Oh, I forgot that criminals have more rights that the law abiding citizen. The attorneys probably would have plea bargained the charge to a parking ticket or better yet they probably would not have charged them at all. This is the reason our justice system is failing us. Our crooked attorney's and judges don't want to do their job and the criminals are walking away with no consequences. Then our great politicians want more gun control instead of fixing the real problem. Thats why we have more lazy crooked attorneys getting into politics is to destroy our justice system. They only believe in the criminal's rights and not the law abidiing citizen's rights!!!!

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                            Reply#18 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:48 PM EST

                            Most attorneys are liberals. Liberals are only concerned with other peoples money.

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                            #18.1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:50 PM EST

                            In an ideal world the guy burying the gun would have accidentally shot himself and the bullet would have traveled through both the guys in the car killing all three. A man can dream can't he?

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                            #18.2 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:11 PM EST

                            @Mark ; And most of the judges are Republicans and had been lawyers before they became judges so you are wrong with your comment.

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                            #18.3 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:39 PM EST
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                            Next story: Illegal immigrants trying to sneak from Texas into the United States.

                              Reply#19 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:13 PM EST

                              Actually it will be illegal immigrants from the United States trying to sneak into Texas.

                                #19.1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:23 PM EST
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                                Oh My GOD! Ban that gun! ...No...Wait....BAN THE DOG!....No....Wait.....BAN SNOW!.....No wait...let just start speaking in Bumper sticker lingo! "Dogs don't kill people...Guns do"........or....." You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead paw". Aw Hell....Just ban everything!

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                                Reply#20 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:17 PM EST

                                Spelled like Mexican, pronounced like Mexican, MEXICAN. Illegal ?? Probably some of the LOW threat illegals our Emperor released due to the sequester. As far as the dog, did he have a license to discharge that firearm ? If not I say place him under arrest OR at least have to spend three days with Uncle Joe for training on the proper discharge of a firearm. Either blast it into the air or through the door.

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                                Reply#21 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:21 PM EST

                                whats the definition of a liberal..someone so open minded their brain fell out.

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                                Reply#22 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:27 PM EST

                                Good Doggie,

                                The three men Hart found in the vehicle — Jose Calderon, 28; Alexander Gonzalez, 21; and Jorge Henriquez, 26

                                Is there a citizenship status on the perps?????

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                                Reply#23 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:31 PM EST

                                So much for the (absurd) theory that "if you ban guns, only outlaws will have guns..." Guess the dog(s) never heard of that.

                                Or another way of putting it---with so damn many guns out there, anyone/anything can ultimately get their hands/paws on one!

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                                Reply#24 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:40 PM EST

                                Does an animal with superior hearing to a human have more damage done to the ear by the sound of the close blast?

                                Does it matter? Just wondering. (No, I don't know why)

                                Anyone?

                                Or is this post not angry or finger pointed enough to get a response?

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                                Reply#25 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 8:45 PM EST

                                Do you have a cusp to go with that fossa?

                                  #25.1 - Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:18 PM EST

                                  @fossafun

                                  According to my research, I am going to assume the noise of a close gunshot would cause the same amount of pain and temporary hearing loss in a dog as in a human.

                                  "Contrary to popular belief, dogs cannot hear noises from miles away. Dogs and people hear noises coming from the same distance away... Dogs do go deaf for the same reasons that people go deaf."

                                  http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4588252_dogs-hearing-differ-humans.html#ixzz2MdfMoQtE

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                                  #25.2 - Tue Mar 5, 2013 12:10 AM EST

                                  Thanks Bryda :)

                                    #25.3 - Thu Mar 7, 2013 12:30 PM EST
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