I agree - give us some definition of what that is.

Is it possible the woman got drunk, they had sex, then later she was upset about it?

Or maybe she was so drunk she forgot to get paid up front and he stiffed her. If you know what I mean Vern.

GM Mary and Scooter and all the "Usual Suspects"

What the -ell is rape by intoxication?

It could be getting her drunks, slipping in "Roofies" (rohypnol?spelling) - commonly referred to as the "date rape drug", into her drink - or any combination of "skulduggery by the man.

Dammit - I hate to make a joke in the situation, but yes Mary, he "stiffed" her and may have stiffed her.

@sleepinsadie---- I hate to make light of it also, but the story is so lame,what else can you do. You sure can't make a serious comment.

I wonder if the "business trip" included a short visit to a MJ grow operation.

Rape by intoxication? I thought you needed a pecker to do that...

It's generally when somebody is so intoxicated that they're not capable of giving consent or are passed out. Without a lot more details it's hard to say how valid this might be, he may have been quite drunk himself in which case it makes no sense to charge him as she would be just as guilty.

@Ido

Why would a Canadian go to an American grow op and risk a ridiculous US prison sentence when we can get it at home and only risk a fine....

The article doesn't even say he raped a woman. Maybe he was partying with a bishop or a cardinal...

If by "rape by intoxication" they mean the other person was too drunk to say no, well boo hoo.

This is just another example of a liberal society refusing to accept personal accountability for their actions. You got drunk, you got laid, get over it. Don't ruin someone else's life because you make poor choices.

You're saying that rapists shouldn't take accountability for their actions? You sound like a leftist. If he raped someone, he should be held accountable. We don't need an overly-permissive society where rapists feel a sense of entitlement. He should put his pecker away, make something of himself, and be a productive citizen.

@ Snoozer, maybe we should all hear more of the facts before we start calling him a rapist because at this point the charge of "rape by intoxication" makes me (and apparently everyone else) think that it was a night of drunken sex with morning regret...

In California, rape by intoxication is where "the victim is prevented from resisting due to alcohol or drug intoxication." Presumably, this means that the victim was incapable of giving or refusing consent due to intoxication.

Since the story absolutely sucks at details, my best guess would be that the victim went to the hospital and they found "date rape" medication (like Flunitrazepam) in their system along with DNA from the perp. If it were a "drunk and passed out" situation, there would likely have to be some other corroborating evidence (video, eye witnesses, etc.), since they had to go across state lines to catch up with this guy.

I'm not saying a rapist shouldn't be accountable, Snoozer. I'm saying that this sounds exactly like Rose Colored Glasses described, which is, "a night of drunken sex with morning regret."

I mean let's be honest here, with the advent of women's rights and the inevitable feeling of empowerment that came with that, coupled with the zealous over-protection of the female species in our society, there are a lot of witch-hunts conducted for alleged rapists who actually raped no one.

It's beyond ridiculous that a woman only needs to mention the word rape and within 24-hours the accused's name is in the papers and on the news, his life wrecked forever regardless of the eventual outcome, yet her identity remains guarded. That is complete and utter bullsh!t.

There needs to be accountability on both side of that situation.

Yeah, I wonder how much Sarah Grieco got paid for writing that article. If it were any shorter [and any less informative], it could have been tweeted.

I'm not saying a rapist shouldn't be accountable, Snoozer. I'm saying that this sounds exactly like Rose Colored Glasses described, which is, "a night of drunken sex with morning regret."

Carryingcongealed - Based just upon what is in the article, I don't think you can make any assumptions about the case.

I agree that, if the alleged victim simply allowed herself to become intoxicated and did something she would not ordinarily have done, that is something for which she can only blame herself.

But if the alleged rapist induced intoxication by doctoring her drink, which may be hard to prove, or if she passed out and he had sex with her after she had lost consciousness, that would constitute rape.

From the "article", you cannot tell much of anything about the actual circumstances of the case. It is just another bang-up job by a modern media outlet.

In California, rape by intoxication is where "the victim is prevented from resisting due to alcohol or drug intoxication."

So, all sex in California is rape?

It's generally when somebody is so intoxicated that they're not capable of giving consent or are passed out.

but doesn't that automatically presume they would decline? What about presume acceptance?

Gmornin' Scooter...

I hear ya. The problem with illegals committing crime is that they are not even registered Americans. They don't even know who they're looking for.

Hello??? Rape is rape, no matter who commits it. Someone's nationality is irrelevant.

gm to all the usual suspects

Valaunt,

You are partially correct. A person's nationality is irrelevant in terms of committing the act of rape, unless you are compiling statistics about which nations have more rapes. Tramp and Creek Dog, however, are making the valid point that the policies of the Federal government and the sanctuary cities towards illegal aliens makes the job of finding and prosecuting rapists harder than it need be.

If Friends with Benefits is giving sex away for free and Casual Sex is giving away sex for free, Prostitution is selling sex... then why isn't rape STEALING? Just asking, don't get me wrong, I come from having been in relationships and having friendships with women who've been raped, beaten, molested etc. and definitely don't condone it, but with the way morals and values have gone to the sh!tter, a spade is a spade.

They were able to catch the guy because he came into the country legally and he had a job.

Yes, nationality is irrelevant, but I don't see many canadians sneaking in this country illegally, at least not as many mexicans do.

good morning, gang...

I have a question... this is the first time I have ever seen a dollar value placed on a warrant.. a one million dollar warrant?

And my take on why this guy was arrested so easily as opposed to the illegal aliens who aren't? He's a businessman who can be taken to the cleaners and when he runs to the border, he doesn't disappear into the jungle.

All that aside, if he's guilty of rape, I can't think of a punishment too horrible for him. Well, I can, but if I print it on here I will be banned from Newsvine.

Hey Scooter!!! I'm down here in San Diego & that is not necessarily true man!! @!$%# is happening everywhere & at all times, whether by Mexicans or others, just check your local news.

Rape is rape, no matter who commits it. Someone's nationality is irrelevant.

Even a Canadian?

well i do believe in the death penalty so.....

Detroit is already dead. Oh I got you now.

as a quasi-citizen of midtown detroit I've seen lots of disparaging comments like this and have learned that they only come from people who have never been here. Not only would the United States of America not have grown into a super-power without Detroit, but it proably wouldn;t even exist today becuase Detroit along with Pittsburg provided the infastructure for the economic explosion that put America at the top and fueled the war-effort that stopped the german-emmpire in world war two. today while we do have problems we are a noble and resilient population that won't take no crap from irrelevant crap-talkers like you and if you ever dared to show up here talking like that we'd find a nice corner in the dequindre cut to show you a sky-line view of the great city and the promise of a new tommorow that it offers to all of its native sons and daughters you douche.

and falling on hard economic times doesn't equal death mary, stop being such a money-obssessed-alarmist please.

I would rather live in Syria than Detroit.

I went through Detroit one time on my way to Canada. It was on the radio that if you get lost don't get off the interstate to ask for directions, just keep on going till your out of Detroit. This was years ago. Must be lovely now.

notoc, well no one would ever make the mistake of inviting you to detroit anyway so you won't have to worry about that we're on the rise again due to a new sense of purpose and industrial-drive and small-mindded chumps like yourself will only slow down the progress that w're making. and mary yeah it was probably the farmington hill stations taht you were listening to and since they want to be michigan's next-biggest city all they do is crap-talk about detroit through all of their broadcasts so don';t beliieeve that nonsense, people in detroit havea great sense of geography andd can help you out with most any location-relatted quesstion that you have.

Oh stop BSing people LittleHater you're going to get innocent people hurt and/or killed. The people there are sub-human just like the south and west sides of Chicago.

if people from detroit are so "sub-human" then why have we donated more money to charitable causes than baltimore has you tool? Does that make them even less humans than us are? You're such a stupid moron to say that people will die if they go to detroit, thousands of people visit there everyday and dont die and chicago has more homicidies there now than detroit does anyyway so why dontyou go and critique their way of life instead and leeave more respectable-cititess alone you coarse-malloaderr.

Lot of dumb in these comments about Detroit. Detroit has some of the best examples of Art Deco architecture in the world. On a nice day you will see many of the people who work in the office buildings along the river having lunch in one of several parks. The suburbs of Detroit are sprawling and affluent.

Yes there is decay in Detroit. The auto industry left behind a great deal of empty housing and decaying factories but it is nothing more than you will see in Toledo or South Bend or Gary or a dozen other cities in the midwest.

Detroit will rise again. Many of you commenting here probably never did in the first place.

Exactly. Rape because she can't handle her liquor?

One might just as easily conclude that there is a class of men who find intoxication and low self esteem as desireable attributes in a potential partner.

If he slipped her something then of course it's rape, but if she was drunk because she choose to drink too much then as far as I'm concerned she's responsible for her own actions. It's not a crime if a person gets drunk and then makes a poor decision that they regret the next morning it's being an irresponsible drinker.

So shouldn't female drunk drivers not be responsible too. After all they were to drunk to make a responsible decision. Actually they should charge the male in the passenger seat, wether sober or drunk.

And how about that kid was told to pay child support after getting his teacher pregnant, and she was charged for statuatory rape.

But as far as this story goes, we have no facts at this time, just an odd undefined charge.

@Explorerdog,

You're assuming a lot here. But to your point about the law and how it's applied to men and women, the law doesn't state that the victim need be a woman. Nor does this article (on MSNBC anyway) state the gender of the victim. In the best of situations, ANY rape victim has a long, difficult road ahead of them if they choose to prosecute. And let's face the statistics--Men are typically the aggressors and they use many means to get what they want. When a law is passed of this nature, it's because men are performing these acts.

Lastly, it's my opinion that women require a certain level of protection from violence over what we might provide to men. Just the fact that we need 'safe houses' for women bears that out.

it doesn't say anywhere in this story that this man drinks aocohol to excess so stop trying to slander his chracter by making accusations like that. I happen to know someone who once met him and they said that he seemed fine and never mentioned anything about him drinking, raping, or causing any sort of problem whatsoever so until you actually have proof about that crap that you're saying stop you tool.

LitterHater, you have it backwards. If this guy was also drunk it wouldn't be rape. If he was sober and she was too drunk to consent then it would be rape. You're trying to defend this guy by saying he never drinks too excess; if that's the case, then he does rape to excess (once). If you're his fan, you need to hope he was also too drunk to consent.

LittleHater's mom taught him how to resort to personal attacks and name-calling.

well kaleb since it's been a friggin year since someone got it into this girls' head that her once and a likfetime encounter with someone who's actually down to earth and real wasn't legal I can't prove that he wasn't drunk since his b.a.c, will obviously be 0 right now and you can't prove that he was drunk for the same damn reason. what it's up to the court to decide is how much of a penalty this girl should get for slanderring this very successful man of industry's reputation after hhe's found innocent and i hope that the girl has to do ilelgal ctivitieis to raise enogu hmoney to fund the guy's lawyer-fees that he shouldn't have to pay for either. kaleb you are irresponsbile and i can also tell that you are or would makea bad fatherr so please stop trying to impunge on an onn-oging investigation with your irrelelvant speculation and please stick to the facts that are recordedd in the article.

Or maybe we could have Joe Biden support legislation to provide every American woman over the age of 17 with a double barrel shotgun. Unlike your suggestion, this would also provide shovel-ready jobs ..... both before and after the attempted rape.

Hey Denver, Can Joe make mine a Winchester. I always wanted one.

denver bill 2 says:

"Or maybe we could have Joe Biden support legislation to provide every American woman over the age of 17 with a double barrel shotgun."

I don't think Joe would do that. You are thinking of Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney.

Unfortunately for you, Sarah has gone back to Alaska -- to look for Russia.

And Mitt? Last time I saw him, his dog had locked him in a box on top the car and driven off on vacation.

@Litter Hater--- That's the funniest comment I've read all day. I can't wait to get my Canadian Hunk calendar every year. But now the day is still young.

Litter Hater--- What do you mean a soon to be half Canadian man. They're not going to wack off your pee pee are they.

mary, there's nothing funny about false accusations by americans on foreign people who they misunderstand. And you don't need this hunk calendar stuff because canadians aren't more attractive than your americans they're just more intellect, maybe buy a book from a male-canadian author and you'll discover what i mean but these psoters won't help you out at all in apprecaition of who they really are.

mary no I mean that I've been following this unbelievably cool canadian girl on twitter for a while now and am getting ready to take the plunge and hit on her a little bit which hopefully will lead to marriage and dual-citizenship that's all.

Hey LitterHater, becoming half Canadian through marriage won't make you any smarter. I doubt any nationality's intelligent population would ever claim to be more intelligent than any other's. But you go there and try to act more intelligent, it would do you some good.

hey kdfm you big tough internet guy here's a cool story for you: in the year 637 the byzantine emperor bernard cornellius declared that the byzatntine aristocratic class was superior to the aristocratic class of any other cvilizaed nation in the world so they had what you could compare to a today's math-olympics contest and won in a landslide proving that some nations are smarrter than others and then as a concolsation prize emporeor cornellius awarded all lossing aristoratics from the foreign nations precious jewels from his salt mines showing that intelligent people are more generous too you loser. so yeah canadians do tend to be more respeonsbile and more smarter but with your restricted mental-capacities you'd probably never be able to recngonize or understanndd that anyway so keep being ignorant you moron.

Hey Litter Hater-- That's why I made the comment I did. Because no smart Canadians are posting on here today. Just joking with you.

mary maybe you';ve never heard of tim horton's then? Just go down the line of their corporate chain and ther'es nothing but geniouses and men and women who are years ahead of their time intellectually, go ahead I'll wait and then expect a apology or some sort of reason why you hate these people from your own life-experiences, liekly though this is just anti-canadia prejudice that americans seem to have which got this innocncent man from the article arrrested.

Litter, you make some semi valid points but claiming your intellectual superiority in a bunch of posts filled with typo's sort of undercuts your argument.

LitterHater, I'm curius as to what a half Canadian is. I was born Canada and am now an American citizen. I have dual citizenship and when I cross the northern border, I'm a Canadian. What the hell are you talking about?

I'm glad that you asked that jamie because this is something that a lot of people get tripped-up on and I'd like to clear the record for those people. Because citizenship is a theoretical thing and not a physical state you can never truly be all of anything except for human/ a person but i've founda way to become still my human self but while identifying with a nationality that also makes up some of who i am. that's why after i marry my canadidian girtlfriend and she asking me to move itno her canadian apartment i will become a half-canidan since she makes up my other half of my being and is all-canadian herself theoretically but since we're also both all physically-human in makeup this would make her 75% percent candian and me %50 percent canadian and 50% detroit and 50% dual-citizen for each. therefore together we'll eacch be a cpmplete part of ourselves but will still also encompass the territories that we physically live in so that even when i go back to visist the detroit i will still be half-candian in principlle while also retaining mmy status as a persson.

LittleHater's real name is Manti Te'o.

LittleHater - so you've been following a girl on Twitter, and you've somehow made the leap that you're going to be emigrating to another country? Seriously, dude - adjust your meds. Have you even met this girl? How do you know she's not a 350lb male lumberjack?

Hot air balloons, Tim Hortons, Byzantine Empire? You're even more all over the place today than usual.

I can't decide if I smell troll or catfish.

way to try and deflect foccus from the very serious nature of this story mifo but since you've just gotta know I'll tell you that we met on chatroullete late one night after a busy-time at the dance-hall and I mustve been looking good or whatever cause she wanted to then get my phonne number but since i didnt have a phone at the time i gave her my neighbors number and they talked for a few weeks and then he said that she was actually pretty cool and wanted to meet up with me but since i'd only seen her wearing a president's mask i wanted pictures of her face first so i got her twitter account name and followed it then approved of her pictures and am now saving up for a few day trip to see her and meanwhile her and my neighbor still talk occasisioanlly on the weeknds. that's how most american and canadaian-women meet however which is why i even bother to tell you that since it's porobably a similiar situation to what lead up to the two people in this article meeting up. the modern-day communication technology can be a grea ttool but it must be used responsbily and i want to make sure that people dont think that this canadian guy here was threatning her over their cell phones for them to have sexual-relationns because taht's not what even happened but the tabloids blow this crap way out of proportion and these idiot bottom-feeders just mesh it all up and then go crazy over itt.

LitterHater,

Thanks for the clarification. :)

It's troll.

oh my, little hater.....there are no words for your debonair personality....I think I may swoon....

A drunk monkey wrote it.

It's because of anatomy.

It's an anatomic difference,

although I fail to see how having exterior reproductive organs makes a person less prone to hurt them or being taken advantage of.

Another reason for people to avoid all this is to keep it in their pants or avoid drinking and making sure the other person is not already drunk.

Good one! Those bans will soon arrive.

The corporate-oligarchic-theocratic 'police state' is just warming up Mr. Steady. :-(

Piers Morgan: I don't understand why anyone NEEDS a high capacity penis capable of firing such a high volume of semen at one time.

Guest: But Piers, that same weapon is used by many men to eliminate urine.

Piers: What a ridiculous argument. A catheter could be used to do the same thing.

They sound just like Brazilians.

Dear franz...I am not an attorney. However, if I read this correctly a Canadian man was arrested in Texas for a felony committed in California. Hmmmmmm? Could be they were worried this guy would flee? I don't know how much weight an out of state arrest warrant carries but if the wording is anywhere near correct I suspect those issuing the warrant didn't want the arresting agents to let this guy bail out for the equivalent of a traffic ticket. I have read countless stories (and still do) about a felon on the run arrested out of state who is not immediated correctly ID'd and is set free for on a low bail. Maybe its just an attempt for the CA authorities to tag this guy before bail.