Odd that there were no survivors given the time of day.

What a terrible tragedy to have taken so many in one family as well as another family's children. One of the worst things for fire fighters to come upon.So often a lack of smoke detectors add to a high death toll. Yet most people are unaware that 90% of average smoke detectors will not warn of a smoldering type of fire until it is too late to give adequate warnings to victims. Although a different type of detector, photoelectric, which goes off so much earlier, has been on the market for decades. Made by the same manufacturers, though slightly more costly.

Experts and government regulators are aware of the cheaper model shortcoming, insisting there is a place for both. A few states are beginning to require new homes built to have the photoelectric detectors. One can even get a duel smoke detector, plus add a CO2. Check out the link below demonstrating actual footage/danger. Condolences to those who are now mourning the loss of their loved ones in this latest tragedy.It is so sad in these times of technology, lives are still lost to fire.If there is anything any of you can do to help others, please speak up, or even buy a smoke detector as a gift.

http://www.today.com/id/49214422/ns/today-today_rossen_reports/t/rossen-reports-popular-smoke-alarms-may-go-too-late-experts-warn/

Industrial Strength

I thought the same myself, but also know it is not what would be called a prosperous area.

I'm HOPING it was not a murder suicide situation.

Making the assumption it WAS accidental, I suspect they were initially overcome by smoke from a smoldering fire, and at some point the actual fire broke out which became visible to others outside.

Slow smoldering fires can be insideous killers as they can emit vast amounts of toxic fumes before actually becoming visible flame. And unfortunately, in many homes, batteries of smoke detectors are never checked, much less changed.

How many times are they going to publish stories with no information? I know people in just about every state, and would like to know if something happened to anyone I know. If every morning they published, "something happened somewhere," it would be as informative as the actual stories they do publish.

They can't give information until they know for sure. It's gotten many media outlets in trouble in the past for releasing information that they either couldn't or weren't 100% sure on. You have to comprehend UncleBen that the media has it's obligations to law enforcement as well as withholding information so that they can notify next of kin.

Become a photojournalist or reporter and you'll have a greater understanding of why they release what they do and when. And yes, I have worked with photojournalists before you ask.

My condolences to the family and I hope they didn't suffer.

I think the point is, then, that they should wait until they DO have the correct information and are allowed to publish it, before they actually publish it. It's not a news story unless there are details.

A fire can smolder for hours before breaking into flame stage. A smoldering fire can produce invisible and odorless products of combustion - toxic fumes and gases that render people unconscious. More likely than not, that is exactly what happened in this case.

This incident is very sad on many levels, especially when one considers that a couple of $10 to $20 smoke detectors might have prevented this from happening.

As a former firefighter, I have six working smoke detectors in my home. Been there, done that, as in I know first hand how fast a house can burn once the source reaches flame stage. People do not realize it, but a fire can double its size every 30 seconds.

That is why in a house fire, seconds really do matter, and why EVERYONEshould have an ionization type smoke detector on the ceiling in each bedroom and in each hallway outside of sleeping areas... Such smoke detectors can detect a fire at the incipient stages, or at the earliest stage of a developing fire.

Thanks for explaining that. (really). I've always wondered, a one story house, nearly every room has a window... I've wondered...wouldn't they have smelled something (even toxic fume?) if sleeping and wake up? I mean it can't be more than 5 steps to any window...but you've educated me...

So sorry for the families...another family is gone...rest in peace...pray for all of us...so much of this really happens in the winter months...maybe so many things could have made the house burn down like that in the morning...at about 7am it could have started...fumes...how awful ... so sad....

One more thought...smoke alarms should be cheaper than 20 or 30 ... some folks cannot afford them...can the companies make coupons for them to help...if you need so many of them...that can run a large bill for most...

It's no problem Nancy, it's rough because everyone wants ALL the information but what people don't realize is that investigations take time. Months, sometimes even up to a year or two before any answers are really fully given. The media only gets what the police tell them and a lot of time, the police are hostile (Sometimes extremely) towards photojournalists. So they have to walk a fine line between actually getting the answers and pissing off an already pissed off cop who might threaten them (never mind the fact there are laws against that...)

Fire departments in our area give smoke detectors for free...

UncleBen- do you really want to READ that you sisters daughter and grandchildren etc died in a horrible fire? I think I would rather have my family call and give me the sad news!

It took no time at all for the comments further down to descend into religious snarking, politics and name-calling. A family is dead, and however they died, only condolences and fire safety messages are relevant. Why does hate always take over the comment fields? What happened to intelligence and compassion?

I am wondering why they say only 7 people died in the fire when it was actually 8,she had life inside her and should be included as so.Leave it to NBC(ie the abrtion left media)not to consider it that way.Condolences to their family and friends

You are so right. A family is dead. What could be worse for the survivors? It is sickening to think of how the families and friends must be feeling. We are childless but have friends with children and a three grandchildren we would die for to protect. My heart goes out to everyone involved in this tragedy. I sincerely hope there is a through investigation and whatever caused this is addressed.

Most heartbreaking of all, is, no discovery will bring back these lives. Our best hope is that something can be learned from this and a future tragedy of its kind prevented. My condolences as well to the firefighters who had to see the results of this conflagration. Being a rescurer and a healer myself, I can say there is nothing worse than being unable to save a life...This had to be a horrific sight. My condolences.

Uncle Ben: The reason is that all the other stories that NBC could publish that are actually newsworthy paint the Owebama administration in a negative light. And remember - this is NBC we're talking about. So they would rather print stories about "something happened somewhere" as opposed to being real journalists and publishing stories that are critical of Owebama.

But that's why NBC's ratings are going down the toilet. Last in Feb sweeps, and last in a poll where people were asked to identify the nation's most trusted news network. Oops, tied for last - WITH THE COMEDY CHANNEL!

Greg: my thoughts exactly.

My condolences to the friends and familiy of these EIGHT victims.

Something as simple as new batteries in the smoke detectors might have prevented this tragedy, so sad.

RIP.

Today is the first day of Daylight Savings Time in most states. While I am absolutely not saying this family didn't have smoke detectors, this is a vivid reminder that this is a good time of year to check your smoke alarms and carbon monoxide detectors. For battery operated detectors, replace the batteries whether they seem to work or not. For hard wired detectors, do a check, make sure they are working properly.

For those who cannot afford smoke and carbon monoxide detectors check with your local fire department. Many fire departments give them away for free since they would much rather spend a few dollars on the equipment than find dead bodies in homes without them.

My condolences to the family in their tragic loss.

I lived in town where 5 children and their babysitter died in fire - granted this was before cell phones - but it was an old New England brick mansion. The babysitter was only 16 and was not supposed to stay the night, but the mother's date went well & she was checked into a hotel.

Everyone was trapped on a third floor. When the investigation was finished - it revealed that there was a faulty electrical wire BETWEEN the WALLS (interior and exterior)...the fire burned for hours between these walls - melting phone lines, etc. The babysitter woke up, gathered all the children (1-12 years), except for one boy who hid in his closet. She filled a tub with water, she & the children were all in the tub with wet towels & wash-clothes over their faces. The boy in the closet also had one....but they were trapped to high to jump.
I agree with all the comments that houses need better smoke alarms, but in this case the alarms worked - what they needed was a ladder.

If you cannot jump from where you are trapped - you need a fire ladder, they used to be advertised all the time, they are kept in the bedrooms and are fairly light (rope & steel) and easy to hook onto a window.

My condolences to the victim's families, their lives will be forever changed.

I don't know, Will. Just stay up here with us, don't feed them.

What a terrible tragedy for all involved. My sympathy, especially for the parents of the visiting children. I'm so sorry!

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Smoke detectors are a no-brain-er, except maybe in Kentucky. After all, isn't that where Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul are from?

Community or moderator.. someone please collapse this guys thread. Seriously, why do people have to bring political non sense into a story that has nothing to do with the topic.

Industrial Strength, I have to agree you know how kids are they are up and running around at that time it makes no sense. I how our suspicions are unfounded.

#1.15Greg Smith - I am wondering why they say only 7 people died in the fire when it was actually 8. She had life inside her and should be included as so.

And I was wondering how long it would take for a comment such as yours. 'A few months pregnant' is not a baby, regardless of your opinion. (Everybody has 'live inside them', otherwise they would be dead.)

Smoke detectors are critically important, but let's not assume the home didn't have any. And even if they didn't, or they forgot to change the batteries, these folks did not deserve to die this way. It seems that people aren't satisfied unless they can find someone or something to blame. Sometimes, bad things happen, and nobody and nothing is to blame. Accidents happen. Unless a crime was committed, what is the point in looking for blame? We do what we can to protect ourselves and our loved ones, but nothing is foolproof or absolutely safe. We are human. "There but by the Grace of God go I". My deepest sympathies to the families and friends of these poor souls.

I usually skip the first couple of posts because they are so long with replies and get off the subject and it's usually people that want their comments read, knowing most don't read all of the comments, figure most will read the first few comments. You don't get this if you go to the last page or two of the comments.

That kind of comment is pretty uncalled for, Judd....

Judd you are an idiot. Those babies are in Heaven and dont have to put up with people like you ever again. Praying that they all are in Heaven!

I see that some people think the deaths of little kids is something to make jokes about. THAT is simply disgusting...

Perhaps we should consider banning sleepovers? Or at-least pass laws that make it mandatory for fire marshals to check smoke alarms, fire extinguishers , escape routes,& mental health of parents before sleepover.

Humor is a cover for anger. This is too much for some people to handle so they resort to these kinds of comments. Nobody here is an "idiot", just coping differently. Nobody I know thinks a house blowing up killing children is funny...If someone out there truly does, that person is severely disturbed. I am as sorry for them as the victims and survivors of this tragedy...

@Dave;Ill call non believers Idiots to think that in all the Parallels, Dimensions, and infinite and unknown things in a universe that extends forever that you would imagine yourself the newcomer to be the top of the totem pole. even science will lean towards a Superior being, just because ignorant men stood in the way of science does not mean that religion and science can't go hand in hand. so if your minds are to limited, and to tinny to comprehend then perhaps you should just STFU because you don't have a clue one way or the other what you are talking about! every day that science advances is more proof of the so called invisible man in the sky. will you be surprised when you find out you were wrong and did not get a invitation. Dimensions are infinite, the string theory is a strong possibility, time is matter, space is not empty, and you don't know squat. you will find yourself as spent energy floating alone in a emptiness we call hell, because you would not believe in the next level. now that is losing. and it will be very lonely out their with only your own consciousness to keep you company for eternity, you will be nothing but a thought drifting alone between levels in a void emptyness for eternity, for those that have no direction the moment of death will become infinity you will no longer be subject to time, time will be irrelevant! so to all the Dave's out their you do have some choices. time to think it out, religion is a tool we were given to use in our infancy a child like belief to guide us in a direction, without that guidance you would be lost so have faith because at the moment that is all you have, without that you have nothing. and stop blaming God for the messes that man created. their is a God and there is a Heaven, you just cant comprehend it. and earth is falling apart, no time to waste, its always been that way stop sitting in the dark. we were put here.

DBuck, "every day that science advances is more proof of the so called invisible man in the sky"

You are "begging the question" What is the "Proof" of the invisble man in the sky by the advancement of science?

Maybe NBC should consider that some stories don't need comment boards!! If this isn't a situation of "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything" I don't know what is!! Slamming someone's religious beliefs or mocking Kentuckians is so totally out of place here...shame on you.

@ Critic: I am also an atheist. I do not try to force my belief upon others, and I do not believe that any of the people who have voiced their faith on this thread are trying to force their faith upon you, me, or anyone else. They find comfort in offering their prayers and paying their RESPECT to the deceased and to their loved ones. My condolences go out to the family and friends of these unfortunate victims. Welcome to common courtesy.

amen (lol )mtn girl very respectful opinion

@Critic Of Society From Both Ends

PS: And don't bother with any typical robotic responses to my factual statement such as "I'll pray for you!" (My response to such is, "I'll think for you!")

Please let us know when you learn how.

@ Critic of Society --- I, too, am an Atheist (like MtnGirl), but apparently a much more respectful and tolerant Atheist than yourself. Just who on earth do you think you are to make such fun of someone's religious beliefs just because they do not mirror yours? Don't be such an ignorant p.rick.

A proselything atheist is as much a self-righteous a-hole as a religious one. @Critic needs to take a look on yourself and see.

All you Atheists are going to Hell when you die.

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I wont be alone. Far from it.

I'll have the company of all my family and friends...As well as all you Christian hypocrites.

Can we all act like grown ups or is that too much to ask? I don't give a crap what you do or don't believe in. I'm sick of coming to areas of discussion only to be bombed with ignorance. Stop. Please.

Judd....you seem to only be happy if you are alienating and antagonizing people. I'll pray for you...but there is no cure for stupid...

Judd, you are an i d i o t. At least "Critic" is an identifiable snot nosed obese troll who posts things like that to get the rest of us fired up, but you with your ignoramus fundamentalism are just flat irritating. You sound like you might fit well in the Westboro Dimwitted Baptist "Church". Hooray to the people who stuck to the sad fact that people died here unnecessarily. Oh, wait.. Judd, did they sin or something? I bet that was it. P.S. Judd... What was Jesus blood type anyway and how did a brainless old vampire like you get ahold of any?

Just stating facts. Take it or leave it. Your choice.

Just stating facts. Take it or leave it. Your choice.

[citation needed]

Now, I am an agnostic because honestly I have studied both religion(many religions, not just Christianity) and atheism, observed the world and the universe from both views and understand how many things work, from an atom, cells, and just the vastness of space...and I constantly wonder where did it come from. If you are just a pure atheist, then you have no open mind at all and you are sheep just like what you accuse these religious people of being. In the end, everything in this universe came from SOMETHING. Whether it is a god or not, I have no idea. There are the theories(and I use that loosely, because I still believe they are much less than theories) about the singularity that led to the big bang, and so many other ones about where the universe came from...but where did it begin? Something can't just start from nothing...and then you can use that same argument against a god. My conclusion is that there is something out there beyond our understanding, beyond our universe that jump started everything that has ALWAYS existed(and how it has always existed is a simple answer:it is beyond our physical universe). Whether it is a free thinking being, a 'machine', or an inanimate 'creator' I do not know. But something else is out there, and if you really really think about it, that is the only logical conclusion. If you truly are an atheist who believes in physics, time and space, then you have to believe that the laws that govern our universe did not just spring up from nothing. Our universe is not a catalyst or reactant...it is a product.

Judd...how exactly is you stating that there is a heaven and hell become a fact? In what way is this a fact? Do you have proof there is a heaven and hell? Much like I can't prove there is neither, you can't prove they exist. However, given the evidence I see, I tend to lean towards the scientific and not believe in either.

Critic,

God or No God. Why are you such a dick?

How about this everyone: Basic kindness and compassion. Whatever means you use to deal with the unexplainable tragedies which occour in this world, just use them. Arguing over the existance or non existance of God or Heaven or Hell serves no purpose. I have from personal experience come to believe in a higher power. My life has contained a series of events which should not have happened and I believe are the result of divine intervention since I have no logical explanation. It is worth noting that I am a scientist and strongly believe in logical explanations. My sugggestion is we all calm down with the rhetoric and remember the people who were lost in this disaster.

Families are forever fractured. Lives were lost. Hearts have been broken.

Why would someone that does not believe in anything have a need to force his beliefs on others, that makes no sense! I can understand someone that believes in something sharing that belief but when their is no belief then what is it that you are attempting to share? I have a piece of cake and would like to share it with someone. you have nothing and you want to share it with someone, I don't get it.

Buck, I guessing there is a lot of stuff you don't get....

re read dimwit, it was only that at 10am someone observed it, not when it started.

R Scott - Look whose calling the kettle black. 10am and when it started must be pretty close together.

Carbon monoxide no doubt?

RScott,

aka re re read. Did Smokey the Bear tell you when it started? Hell No! NumbNuts dimwit.

Whenever this fire actually started is unknown and it could have started from a space heater, faulty wiring, smoldering cigarettes, etc. Homes these days are filled with so many things that are toxic when burning that these unfortunate people could have been dead for hours before the fire actually was visible. Carbon monoxide and other toxic fumes will incapacitate and possibly kill before the flames even do much damage.

What's up with everybody being shocked that people sleep in on the weekends? Some of us do that every weekend as a reward for all of the hard work that we put in during the week.

so sad!

Re read, it did not say the fire broke out at 10 am, just when someone observed it.

Why is it that when a woman states she questioned why they were not able to escape at a 10am fire, you called her a dimwit, yet when a man states the same thing a couple of minutes later you just tell him to re-read. Little chauvinistic aren't we?

So, Scott, are we to assume it was an 8 hour fire? Any person with half a brain can come to the conclusion that if it was observed at 10 am, it could not have started much earlier. Wow, just wow.

R Scott,

The Man Pig.

Actually there are a few posts here that explain that a fire can smolder for hours before actually bursting into flames. I wasn't aware of this, but as there is more than one post by people who sound intelligent and claim to have backgrounds in firefighting, I will believe them. It makes more sense than people sitting around at 10 am sucking in smoke until they die. The smoke probably started hours before the flames.

Either way, it's heartbreaking to hear about all those little ones dying in a fire. My condolences to the families.

From the local news

The fire broke out just before 10:00 Saturday morning at a home on Sam Parker Road in the Gray Community.

The flames were extinguished by 12:30.

Very sad story breaks my heart when I read these kind of sad stories.. God Bless them..

I wonder where your god was when all this happened??? I thought it had all this power and could stop anything - as it sees ALL before it happens!! I thought you guys were all his children? Your leader has a mucked up way of "calling you guys home" as you put it. You might as well put all your belief in Charlie Brown and his gang of friends! You probably would be better off!

Duh!!! To investigate and put out the fire...the Government can save by NOT giving themselves raises...MORON!!!! May the souls rest in peace!!!

You have to be kidding right? I can't even comment ignorance is rampant.....

There is that nasty old 1st Amendment, freedom of speech thing. Unfortunately, free speech also involves speech that is tacky, classless, irritating, and even hate-filled.

click the report button.

Doesn't apply. This is a private forum. Owners have the right to ban anyone they want.

@54buick

Peggs should be banned from this site for life.

I'm thinking peggs should be banned from life!

Welcome to the WORLD WIDE web. Constitutional rights do not apply...dullard.

If you think that the comments on this thread are "tacky, classless, irritating, and even hate-filled", go to one where the story (good or bad) is about a black person. I agree with free speech, but hate filled ignorance should be kept off these threads. It's ridiculous.

And yet, you call everybody else names. Amazing!

A match made in that Heaven that apparently doesn't exist! Leigh sagstetter could chaperon.