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The King County Sheriff's Office is trying to find Michael Boysen, the grandson of an elderly couple found dead in their Renton, Wash., home on Saturday.
An "extremely dangerous" ex-con was being hunted Monday in the Pacific Northwest after his elderly grandparents were found slain, officials said.
Michael "Chad" Boysen, 26, was staying with his grandparents in the Seattle suburb of Renton, Wash., shortly after being released from prison, King County Sheriff’s Department 911 supervisor Susan Chapin said.
A relative became concerned when she couldn’t reach the grandparents and they did not return phone calls. When she drove to their house, she found their bodies about 7 p.m. (10 p.m. ET) local time Saturday, Chapin said. Their names have not been released.
Police confirmed that a warrant had been issued for Boysen's arrest on suspicion of first-degree murder.
“He was staying there. The couple’s car was taken. There was no sign of forced entry into the home. He was just released from prison after serving a year for burglary,” Chapin said.
Further investigation indicated that Boysen had been searching online for places to buy guns, including gun shows, in Washington state and Nevada.
Police have called him “extremely dangerous.”
“I think the fact that he’s believed to have killed two people who were close to him and then he starts looking for guns, we should consider him armed and dangerous,” Chapin said.
Washington state’s gun laws require a waiting period for handguns purchased through a dealer.
Boysen is 5 foot 10 and 170 pounds with dark hair and hazel eyes. He is thought to be driving a red 2001 Chrysler 300. The car’s original tags, which may have been changed, were Washington plates bearing the number 046 XXU.
Police say that Boysen should not be approached and that anyone who sees him should call 911 immediately.
"I can't stress how dangerous this guy is," King County Sheriff John Urquhart said at a Monday news conference. He said Boysen had made threats against family members and law enforcement officials, but he did not elaborate.
"We have to catch him as soon as we can," Urquhart said.
Urquhart said the grandparents were not shot, but he declined to provide other details about their killings, pending autopsies.
The Associated Press contributed to this story
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Does MSNBC have no shame? Using a tragic double murder to push their anti-Second Amendment agenda. Despicable.
Flat,
We all have opinions just as you. But to steer this towards MSN pushing the 2nd Amendment, is despicable. In case you haven't noticed, they mention he tried to purchase guns on-line to warn "US" that he "may" be armed and dangerous for our own safety...
On another note;
The relatives first concern should've been the fact that they took in a ex-con straight from prison...
@ Flatiron: Strange, I read the same article you did but did not notice any push for anti-second amendment agenda. I'm sure the report is as stated by the police, who have every right to know and to report that this ex-con, who is the prime suspect in the murder of his own grandparents, is looking to buy guns. If you lived in that area I think you would want to know those details.
gm Creek Dog
FlatIron,
The facts, as stated in the story, are that he "had been searching online for places to buy guns, including gun shows', not "he is armed." I think that's a pretty good indication that existing gun laws are working. Despite what a lot of people believe, gun show sellers (most of whom are FFL dealers) are required to run background checks on prospective buyers.
Exactly, or Sandy Hook,or Giffords or Virginia Tech or Columbine.......................
It almost seems like there is a CONSTANT stream of multiple gun murders to fuel their agenda.
Go figure.
Morning CD
They wait until the end of the story to make sure the last thing you see is "guns."
Why kill your own grandparents? If the guy was an ex-con, and they let him move in straight from the slammer, they probably would have let him "borrow" the car. Or anything else he needed. Grandparents are easy. Senseless loss of what seems like two very caring, generous lives.
I myself am sitting in the MICU unit, and have been for past 48 hours, hoping not to have another senseless loss of life.
When will we realize that mental health problems are the cause of stories such as this? It can be a gun, knife, bridge, or drugs. If you ban them all, people will still be sick...
Gmornin' bill, cory...
cory,
Sorry to hear this and I hope you're going to be OK. Hang in there and we'll be pulling for ya.... Keep us posted on your progress dude...
Take care...
cory, logically you have to concede that many factors go into the commission of a murder. Motive, opportunity, and capability are some of those factors. Not all murderers are mentally ill or insane by the legal definition.
Some kill to silence a witness to another crime.
It cannot be denied that a gun is the easiest way to kill. It is manufactured and sold precisely for that purpose.
The goal is not to end all murder...the goal is to make the killer less lethal. Make him work harder to kill. It's easy to pull the trigger.
CD
Thank you. It is my sister. And the entire situation correlates to the mental health status of our society. And the fact that the law in many ways prevent you from helping another, even when all parties know the person needs help.
I know I am clearly biased right now, but to release "clearly unstable" inmates back into society is irresponsible. To not have effective mental support and rehabilitation in our prison systems is irresponsible.
Just think, if we actually rehabilitated criminals, maybe they can lead productive lives. Then they could get jobs.
So spending money effectively in a prison could result in less dependent on government later...
were the grandparents shot?.....no
yesterday i looked at new bikes on line, do i own one? ....no
do gun's belong in this article for ANY reason besides agendas or deversion?....no
(GM CD, Bill)
Kaybeetoys
It did not say how the couple died, yet I am certain if it involved a gun, it would read "shot to death."
So this man killed his own grandparents presumably the "harder" way.
And remember, a less "lethal" killer, is not a "killer" at all.
And why is ending all murder not the goal?
Hang in there Cory, all of us are pulling for you. Years ago, I thought I was going insane as I seen the hate being spewed by people who claimed to be compassionate and committed myself to a Mental Health Clinic. Best thing I ever did, but most of my family told me they were embarrassed by it and actually quit talking to me. We all have issues and as it is said, the ones who claim to be sane are the ones who need the most help. As an ex evangelical neocon card carrying member of the GOP, I as a moderate could not kick people crying for help under the bus. HIPPA, the worst thing the med profession adheres to has taken away my doctor's duties as a total caregiver and along with all of the bile in the media these days, I believe that people are being strained to the limit mentally. I took in my 36 year old daughter, who lost all to heroin recently. She is hate filled, lacking in spirit, deceitful, and still blames everyone else for all of her problems. I actually liked and could cope with her better when she was an addict. I knew what was coming then, these days in changes by the hour and I am often blind sided. I cannot commit her, her doctor won't because of HIPPA, she won't do it herself, and the courts here in PA just want to incarcerate her not look for the mental health help and balance she desperately needs. Yes, we Grandparents are from a different era, believe in family, were taught that sound & binding deals could be made on a handshake, and try to hold the clan together. We need more Moderates in Politics today, people who think & try not to be snarky by saying ban everything. Better stop before I write a novella on my peers (67 year old white guys).
Take care Cory, you are one of the sane ones.
The COG
Thank you. I was hesitant to get personal on the vine, but seeing that others are sharing the same pain, (as well as road blocks) is for some reason comforting right now. I wish you and yours the best.
Which is probably why Gabby Giffords' husband purchased an AR-15 and a 1911 last week.
That is so much reading between the lines, it makes me wonder if you remembered to have your medication prescription refilled, Flat.
The article mentions guns because he was looking to buy a gun online. So presumably, he did not have a gun and killed his grandparents some other way.
A less lethal individual might not be able to commit a murder at all. Guns make it easier. Whether or not you own guns, whether or not you advocate tightening loopholes to buy guns, you have to concede that a gun is the easiest way to kill. It is instantaneous, requires little or no planning, and does not involve physical contact with the victim.
Because it's an unrealistic goal. As so many are so fond of reminding us, murder can be committed in a multitude of ways. We can't change that. We can't do away entirely with the aggressive, violent component of human nature.
White Trash love to do multiiple-homicide in schools, theatre, malls, workplace and home. Unfortunately, America has too many of them. America is a violent place because its people are violent.
Here we go on guns again. It was nice of MSN to point out guns in a double homicide, when they weren't actually used. Far point to show the slant. For those who say guns are made to kill people, you are correct. Is the answer to take away guns from every one, regardless of what kind of gun it is? No. Are you anti-gun folks now reverting to the ease of killing argument as to why they need to be regulated? Interesting. Have any of you killed anyone lately? If someone snaps and feels they need to kill someone, just about anything will do and can happen in the blink of an eye. Just ask this kid in the story. No gun, and two are dead. So please rethink your opinion. Also, don't start talking about banning certain guns because they make you afraid. You should be afraid of the thug with a hand gun in his waistline, the nutbag who can't handle life anymore, or the con who has nothing better to do. None of these instances (plus dozens more) have anything to do with the law abiding citizen who wishes to own a gun, whether a .38 revolver or up a 7.62 mm rifle. Regulate guns out of the hands of the mentally incompetent and criminal element to reduce crime. Not from everyone in general.
guns also make it easier to defend yourself, if you know what you are doing killing with your hands can be just as easy as with a gun. the fact that we are not going to stop killing each other leaves you with that question, how do i defend myself and my loved ones from those who for whatever reason would want to kill them? me. i choose the guns. and if we were able to remove all the guns from society and nobody had guns anymore (this is for the liberal dreamers who actually think this would happen) then i would choose the best weapon next to a gun, that would be a katana .........if you don't know what that is then look it up . guns had nothing to do with this guy allegedly killing his grand parents. looking for guns to buy online does not make you a dangerous person.......he allegedly killed his grandparents which is why they suspect he is a dangerous person the gun searching line really has no other function but to push the anti gun agenda. the press rolls on
yeah, we should all strap one on... wear it to Walmart's, the liquor store, the doctor's office, the bank, church, school... everywhere we go. Just like the wild west days! It's a damned shame we live in a country of cowards and crazies who think they have to be armed everywhere they go eh?
My heart goes out to the family for their loss. I hope they find the grandson as it appears he is responsible.
There's some people here, who are very, very paranoid about the mere mention of a... GUN. Why?
Are they not concerned about the lost of life-- that just may be caused by this ex-con POS??
Where's the logic?
And yet again, another double homicide... We do tend to think guns... and I understand the knee jerk reaction... But, good lord...killing your own grandparents... Big man 26 years old... that would make them to be most likely, in their 70's.... A baseball bat or a pillow covering faces in the night or a knife from the kitchen are all very effective weapons...
I hope they capture this scumbag quickly and show him the same love and appreciation that he afforded his grandparents
PROBER, you just described Arizona, Idaho, Mont., Wyo., and other states that have far less crime.. We Red States carry right along :O)...That old saying, "you ever hear of a robbery in a gun store"?. When everyone carries, common sense tells you, NOW LISTEN TO THAT LITTLE VOICE UP THERE, " No one is dumb enough to pull a gun because everyone is carrying".
Now if your looking for a way to have less violence, conceal carry is your best answer.
oh yes Jean... tell that to the good folks in Florida why don'tcha? Guns solve everything! You may just run into the wrong cowardly nut that thinks you're a threat to him. Oh and bytheway Jean, I've lived in Texas for 56 yrs and I own guns... but I just haven't gotten scared enough to feel the need to venture out with one tucked under my shirt, jacket or next to my... well you know what.
gm CD, DB, Scooter
Sad story, especially because of the relationship there. There are a staggering number of grandparents who are raising children in this country, and to be harmed in any way by a grandchild you love would seem to me to be more devastating than the death itself. (Please don't jump my case, you people, about death being worse, etc. I'm a grandparent and I'd rather my grandchildren just kill me outright and immediately than let me know it was coming from one of them.)
Wonder where the parents of this boy are?
I do not take the story as directly anti-Second-Amendment. But when MSN pushes so regularly against the Second Amendment, I can understand why there would be some sensitivity to that.
Whoa....another MSNBC gun debate? Crazy. EIther way, thoughts and prayers go out to their family. This unfortunately is only a few miles from my home and a horrible thing to hear about.
Kilroy 63--you DO know that it is only in the movies that a person can use a Katana to deflect BULLETS?
and that to effectively use one, you need open space, and for the person who threatens you to be up close?
(In which case, they probabley have a gun?)
What?? I think most logical people viewed this article as informative only. The guy might be headed to Colorado, and I want to know that! Cool your jets. No one is going to take away your little guns.
The guy was a burglar. It's a big leap from burglary to killing your own grandparents . . . I'm waiting for the facts to roll in before I condemn him for the death of the old folks. Could have been some idiotic inmate friend of the grandkid.
Flatiron...you're an idiot :) Just FYI :D
MOMAID, i said if all the guns just magically disappeared and no one had guns........i would use the short sword in close confines. that was why they carried two.....man, a samurai who knew what he was doing could do some incredible damage in the wink of an eye. yeah, they dont deflect bullets though , were not much good against marines with automatic weapons in WW II by that time the true samurai had just about all been wiped out . Japanese officers carried them into battle. little good it did them . they did use them to execute prisoners though . a fascinating culture though.
there is the possibility the kid did not do it, it does lean that way though.......there is still something that seems to be missing . why? would a guy fresh out of prison who was just a burglar kill the only two people who would take him in? seems a stretch......
This is why we need stricter gun laws. Ex-cons are supposed to be prohibited from buying firearms & yet this guy thought he was gonna be able to get 1 at a gun show which means they don't do background checks on their customers like gun stores do. Anyone who sells a gun(s) legally (including private owners) should be required to do background checks on the buyers. Otherwise innocent ppl are gonna continue to die in these senseless tragedies.
Tonee,
Regarding the first two sentences of your comment. Do yourself a favor. Look up non sequitur. (Hint: It's in Latin, and it means "it does not follow.")
i have bought several guns at gun shows, every single time i had to pass a background check......what gun shows are you talking about tonee ? never heard of ANY gun show in texas that was allowed to sell guns without a background check........must be different where you live?
ban all inmates....obviously the prison/rehabilitation system DOESN'T work, these criminals are WORSE when they come out of prison than when they went in.
I think it is time for a NEW prison system, wouldn't you agree?
100% of criminologists who have made a study of the effects of prison upon rehabilitation agree with you - prison does nothing to help straighten people out, but in fact in most cases makes them worse. It's negative reinforcement to the max; telling someone on a daily basis, year after year, "You are a bad person and society hates you!", can only produce the predictable result of a person that hates society and is convinced they have no value because they're a bad person. Unfortunately, prison is part of a huge established system made up not only of prisons and their employees, but also the courts, the police, lawyers and prosecutors, and armies of support personnel who derive sustenance from crime and punishment. Further, prisoners constitute a huge pool of slave labor that produce and make many of the products that Americans use every day. It all really sucks. The solution? Many foreign countries have penal systems that are light years ahead of the U.S. As society finally realizes that MILLIONS of ex-cons have, and will, enter back into society to become their neighbors, hopefully a shift toward some sane system of rehabilitation will be seen as a necessity.
Nah too much money and politics in this insane system for us to change.
Agreed Roger. The criminal justice system is a sick joke! Coddling lawbreakers has solved nothing, which is why I want a firearm to protect my family. A firearm that holds as many bullets in the magazine as I can force in. Libs would call this insecure. I would call it responsible, since our judicial system is so inept.
Another system destroyed by privatization. Now the big, rich corporations have a vested interest in putting as may people as possible in prison. Good job politicians. Now you have another big corporate interest buying you off.
The tea baggers are such a bunch of morons. They rail against ELECTED government while doing everything they can to give the corporations more power. What a bunch of TOOLS that are so stupid they don't even KNOW they are tools
The prison system could be easily fixed if we put a needle in the arm of all violent offenders....
Where in the hell do you people get the idea that the prison system in this country is for rehabilitation?
When inmates go into these places they are treated as living, breathing rats in a cage at the mercy of a system and a society that cares nothing for them. If you think a lot of policemen and sheriff deputies have a power trip going you need to be a fly on the wall in a prison when most of the guards are on duty.
Inmates are stripped of not only their freedom but their humanity. There is nothing about the prison system that offers rehabilitation. NOTHING.
And this goes for detention centers, the so-called kiddie prisons. Stop believing the fiction about country club prisons you see on TV, because they DO NOT EXIST.
SRS, the ignorant are so unintelligent. Until you study, you will continue to rant without cause.
The Tea Party wants a smaller Government, a Government to follow the Constitution. You have
listened to all the rantings of liberals, but need to study what the Tea Party is all about. Until you
do, we disregard what you have to say.
Jean--agreed--and I don't even like the Tea party. (TOO socially conservative for me).
If someone died and put me in charge of the prison system it would sure change overnight.
Everyone incarcerated would have to take education classes. They would attend classes for as long as they were inmates. It would be very similar to college but with a focus on life skills as well as reading, writing and arithmetic.
I've got other ideas too but that's another post.
You want to be the teacher....?
What kind of animal is this guy.
Human.... The new trend of wild animals...
@creek dog------ Yea and the problem is they can breed.
the new kind who no longer has to take personal responsibility for his own actions. instead its _______'s fault.
Well, I guess when they get him and either have to kill him or detain him for trial, he'll be taking personal responsibility.
Gimmee a break.
Shoot the POS he don't need to clog up the system more than it is.
right hank, and if he is not found with any weapon think you will hear any more on it? no way.
ANOTHER SICKO, Trying to get a hold of a GUN!
studio, do you believe all you don't read? The gun was planted by the msnbc idiot writing the story.
Icing on the cake...
I'm sorry, but my grandparents in New England lost their lives by the influence of corrupted police officers in Dover and Rochester, NH (Anthony Colarusso, Chief of the Dover Police Department, Mike Allen, Chief of the Rochester Police Department, David Dubois, Sheriff of Strafford County, and Tom Volardi - the Strafford County Attorney - and John Lewis - judge at Strafford County Superior Court) are up to their necks in organized crime for example) that thought it neat to get rid of evidence against them, and planned my grandfather's death to occur on my wedding anniversary - and then my mother's on the day of my commencement exercises. Each death occurred at the very same facility. They stole 8 vehicles from me - one after the other - and didn't care if the public knew about all of these things.
So - at 52 years old after placing implicit faith in our police officers and news sources for so long, trusting that news stories we read are fact-based - I have reasonably serious doubts about all of these things now and strongly feel that perhaps many stories we've been told over the years were not quite like we heard them.
I am someone that has enjoyed a very good reputation for many years and come from a very peaceful family that contributed a great deal to our community.
You can trust my words as fact-based.
My name is Kimberly A. Campbell. I do care that you know the truth.
@Justis-
First of all Kim you should never be sorry. You are absolutely right; we can never trust authorities or movers of the media and news.
Who knows what happened here with this guy and his grandparents. May the rest in peace and hopefully the right person is brought to justice, who ever that may be.
Sorry for your loss Kim.
You've posted this before. Where do you think it is going? Take it to 60 minutes or someplace and see if they follow it.
So what 6 dogs, you post same ol every day like most of us. does her story bother you in some odd way? Why? One must seek justice where they can, unfortunately the press no longer reports freely but follows agendas. yet one must still be free to hope.
Kimberly - please remove the tinfoil hat from your head. You're receiving some weird signals from Planet Paranoia.
facist, you are so mean. Why must you liberals continue to spew your hatred at people that tell a story to help your likes? Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Flat iron, or should I say FLAT HEAD, where do you see an anti-second amendment agenda in this article?
You need the tin-foil hat to see it dude.
where do you see any proof of firearms in this article? therefor why was it implied? other then to further an agenda set forth by this media and its false messiah to further perpetuate the madness and there by divert and divide the people?
Hogwash scooter tramp.
The fact the guy killed his grandparents and is looking to buy a gun makes him more dangerous.Would you deny that a murderer on the loose with a gun is more dangerous than one without ?
Does that somehow go right over your head ?
Has nothing to do with a 'messiah' or furthering an agenda other than to make it clear to the public he's dangerous.
Get off your high horse already.
? High horse, you need to get a life. GM everyone...
But...Casey Anthony looked up ways to suffocate her daughter and dispose of the body, and no one could prove it so she walked. After all, it could have been her mother, her father, or even her daughter, just for shyts and giggles! Just as one good shyster lawyer can say this guy didn't look up anything about guns, the grandparents did... Come on, people, unlike what you see on TV, it's impossible to pinpoint a time of death to the minute.
Flat Iron .... the article states the facts .... that's all! Any thinking person draws ideas from facts, and IF this article tells me that we need stronger gun control laws, that is what I will believe and advocate. Just because YOU believe that facts like these stories tell you the same thing and want to reject it because of your mis-representaion of the Second Amendment ... that, sad to say, that is YOUR problem!
What facts? he looked at guns online was reported, what did you look at online today? own it? ..or is it YOUR conclusion that simply because it was reported, it therefor is fact? think you will hear any more about this if he is not caught with a weapon thereby enforcing the agenda? fat chance.
IA.ScooterTramp--exactly--I personally read an article today on the College of Cardinals putting a 'blocker' on all cellphones/computers during the conclave.
that does NOT mean I am a Catholic, or that I want to buy a device like that one. ;-)
And he looks so sweet. Who'd a thunk? After he got passed around for a couple packs of Pal Mals who knows how messed up he is.
All of you calm down. This is about a search for a murder suspect. The search for guns is the reason for the suspicion. We won't apprehend this guy from the soap boxes you are standing on. If you see Boysen turn him in. Don't do anything as stupid as these comments.
Seems some folks are set a bit off the track, donnie. If they do see him, maybe they'll call their congressperson.
Imaging if the grandparent owned a gun, this ex-con would have no problem over-powering his elderly grandparent to get the gun; we will then have a killer with a gun on the loose. I was issued a 9mm as an officer in the military but I never picked up my issued gun. I told the General that any one can over-power me and take my gun away; I'd end up causing more harm to my fellow soldiers. I was a 95 pound trauma surgeon in the military. The General took one look at me, smiled and thanked me for my honesty and common sense. I had to carry a 40 pound sack on my back during training camp, I fell and couldn't get up. Other officers just stood around and laughed. But my scalpels have saved more lives over the years than any of your second amendment nuts. My son asked me over the years whether I thought about getting a gun to protect myself; I asked him will he feel save having an 98 pound grandma with a gun? At least I used to be able to run fast, now I'm just thankful to be able to get out of bed and get to work on time.
Gee, why would a convicted felon who can't legally buy guns be looking for gun shows???
Maybe because they can stroll right in and BUY THEM ?????
Wake up gun nuts.
try it some time obamanut. Go in tell them yo have no I.D. and buy a gun. Then get back with us. I notice the the obamacrats have no problem getting guns in Detroit and Chicago.
He was able to kill his grandparents without a gun. Sounds to me like another demented, "I am entitled" product of this generation and liberal policies.
Are you truly that stupid??
The point is at the gun shows they don't even ASK for an ID.
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The two-year anniversary of Virginia Tech, the largest massacre by a sole gunman in the country's history, is only one week away.
In the two years since, what has changed, what has been fixed, and what has stayed exactly the same?
Immediately following the tragedy, Virginia Governor Tim Kaine and other authorities called on lawmakers to close the so called "gun show loophole" -- by which anyone can buy a gun from a private dealer with no background check and no questions asked. Two years later, that loophole is still very much open, in Virginia and 32 other states around the country.
So just how easy is it to buy a gun at a gun show?
The Challenge: To Buy a Gun in One Hour
For over a year, ABC News has followed Omar Samaha on a very personal quest to hold those lawmakers to their word. Omar's sister Reema was one of 32 shot and killed at Virginia Tech. We went with Omar to a gun show in Richmond, Va. -- one of hundreds held every weekend across the state of Virginia and the country. We gave Samaha $5,000 and one hour to see how many guns he could buy, and how many questions he would be asked.
ABC News
Omar Samaha worked with ABC News to see how many guns he could buy at a gun show in one hour with $5,000.
CLICK HERE TO HELP OMAR SAMAHA FIGHT GUN VIOLENCE.
By 9:30 in the morning, the parking lot was already packed full of cars. Groups of men, couples and even families with children in tow streamed toward the quickly growing line out front. Samaha, 25, joined the crowds and while waiting on line, he was approached by a seller and given the opportunity to make a quick purchase. He bought a Glock handgun, with no background check, and no questions asked.
"He was just sitting right outside the door, I went up to him. 'How much do you want for it?'
"'$450 bucks.'
'Here's the cash.'
'Thanks. See you later.'
"That was it."
For Samaha, the Glock handgun was a particularly painful purchase. It was the same kind of gun used to kill his sister Reema when she was a freshman at Virginia Tech. Just holding the gun in his hand was difficult.
"I don't want to think about how gruesome it was and how somebody used this type of weapon on my sister and so many other innocent people. It's devastating," he said.
Buying Guns: No Background Check Required
Actually, the anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings is April 16th, not next week, and it happened in 2007.
William of Rights: your cut and paste of the VA Tech shooting is a bit outdated. Seems the ABC experiment in 2009 "loophole" of buying a handgun outside of the door to the gun show. Try doing that now in 2013.
Lawful 1 - Good Call
I agree. Good morning Jack. So what is it today there 95, lol it is 51 here
Are you truly that stupid? Or are you basing your (wrong) comment on your obvious attendance at zero gun shows.
GM DB, spot on!
Carol
Spot on, also! hehe, however have to work for awhile, but the beach will be visited this afternoon!
i never ben to a gun show where they never asked for ID they always card at least to the shows i went too, ._.;
GM Rose, how it it today. MONDAY MONDAY, so good to me.... Yea Right
GM carol and Jack :)
is it friday yet lol
its going to be 81 degrees today :)
GM Rose
Not yet, and at least I hope there is only 1 Monday this week! Last week, I counted 3 of them. However, every day is paradise here, LOL.
However, I do look forward to "Friday-Eve".
i do too
:D
Why is it Friday is close to Monday and Monday is far away from Friday
;-;
i really need a day in between Saturday and Sunday
Exactly Rose, what we all need is to hit the lottery, and live on an island of paradise like Jack. Hell Mr. Jack... :)
My sincere condolences to the family of the deceased.
I would hope that when they find this man, if proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, they put him down like a rabid dog.
Once we round up all these ex-cons that have managed to get guns, we can turn our attention those dangerous people with more than two guns and 500 rounds of ammunition...or anyone else that seems to need anything other than a double barrel shotgun less that 54 inches overall length. I like to be safe.
Is that 500 per caliber or gauge, or just in general?
Since he was researching online where he might obtain a firearm, it stands to reason that, if he's the killer, he murdered his grandparents by some other method. I don't see why this article would be viewed as anti-gun.
tim for Barnicial boy and mermaid man to unite!
hope the police shoot first.....lowlife scum deserves it...
This article from ABC news for those of you who think there is no Gun Show Loophole:
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The two-year anniversary of Virginia Tech, the largest massacre by a sole gunman in the country's history, is only one week away.
In the two years since, what has changed, what has been fixed, and what has stayed exactly the same?
Immediately following the tragedy, Virginia Governor Tim Kaine and other authorities called on lawmakers to close the so called "gun show loophole" -- by which anyone can buy a gun from a private dealer with no background check and no questions asked. Two years later, that loophole is still very much open, in Virginia and 32 other states around the country.
So just how easy is it to buy a gun at a gun show?
The Challenge: To Buy a Gun in One Hour
For over a year, ABC News has followed Omar Samaha on a very personal quest to hold those lawmakers to their word. Omar's sister Reema was one of 32 shot and killed at Virginia Tech. We went with Omar to a gun show in Richmond, Va. -- one of hundreds held every weekend across the state of Virginia and the country. We gave Samaha $5,000 and one hour to see how many guns he could buy, and how many questions he would be asked.
ABC News
Omar Samaha worked with ABC News to see how many guns he could buy at a gun show in one hour with $5,000.
CLICK HERE TO HELP OMAR SAMAHA FIGHT GUN VIOLENCE.
By 9:30 in the morning, the parking lot was already packed full of cars. Groups of men, couples and even families with children in tow streamed toward the quickly growing line out front. Samaha, 25, joined the crowds and while waiting on line, he was approached by a seller and given the opportunity to make a quick purchase. He bought a Glock handgun, with no background check, and no questions asked.
"He was just sitting right outside the door, I went up to him. 'How much do you want for it?'
"'$450 bucks.'
'Here's the cash.'
'Thanks. See you later.'
"That was it."
For Samaha, the Glock handgun was a particularly painful purchase. It was the same kind of gun used to kill his sister Reema when she was a freshman at Virginia Tech. Just holding the gun in his hand was difficult.
"I don't want to think about how gruesome it was and how somebody used this type of weapon on my sister and so many other innocent people. It's devastating," he said.
Buying Guns: No Background Check Required
Samaha walked back into the gun show, and within minutes he was out again, this time carrying a Colt AR 15, a semi-automatic assault weapon very similar to an M16. We asked if there were any questions asked.
"Nothing," he said. "I just went up, gave him cash. He's like, 'Cash is all you need.'"
Over the course of the hour, Samaha purchased 10 guns: three rifles, four shotguns, one handgun. He could have purchased many more handguns, but he wanted to abide by Virginia State law, which allows the purchase of one handgun per month, and two assault weapons.
Samaha was never asked to fill out any type of background check. At one point he was asked to show identification. When Samaha said he didn't have any, the seller quickly relented, not wanting to lose a sale.
"He's like, 'Give me $100 more and I'll let you go and take the risk.' I got two guns for $600 without any identification check," Samaha said.
That's pretty scary stuff, and not surprising at all. I am a law-abiding citizen, who has never even been arrested or given a summons, with no history of serious mental health issues. I like to shoot target, and having recently taken up the hobby, would someday like to own my own weapon, and not have to rent one from the limited selection of heavily used guns the range has.
If you follow the law, and I do, you submit an application for a firearms purchaser ID, and wait, and wait, and wait. You may or may not be approved, dependent on the views of your local police chief, which can run the gamut from nobody except the police should own a gun, to everyone should have at least one. You can be turned down for any reason whatsoever, legally valid or not, and if that happens, you either spend a lot of money paying a lawyer to appeal it, with no guarantee of success, or you just give up and accept that you will never be allowed to purchase a gun in the state you live in.
The real downside of a denial is that you are now recorded all over the universe as having been denied a permit, and even if you move to another state, a lot of their questionnaires ask if you have ever been denied a permit, which is an automatic denial in that state, as well. It's kind of like a Mark of Cain for would-be gun owners. The only option you would be left with would be the gun show route, which though illegal for you to do and then bring the gun to your home, is the only way you will ever get a firearm of any type. So if you are wondering why these shows are so popular, you don't have to wonder anymore.
@Mymomdidnotraiseafool
You must live in NJ or one of those states that require a "Firearms Owners Identification Card" (FOID).
Your only alternative is to avoid buying a firearm until you can move to another state that doesn't require a FOID. Especially if the law is ambiguous as to shall or may issue.
Good luck!!
wow that is crazy anyone that thinks current guns laws and immigration laws are working has their head deep in the sand. why don't they have mandatory gun show checkers who will control who is able to own a gun after they are purchased, I do not know how long it really takes to do these gun background check but some credit & background checks are fairly quick. why not make every gun show have have a background checker right thier and than each gun is tagged with a chip that is tracked after the purchase? this cost goes into the gun show or the gun. I do not see the purpose of the gun laws if you can skate the law by purchasing a gun illegally at a gun show. But that is our country for you residents get low tuition fee for school. so we give non residences the same low ok so what is the benefit of being a resident or purchasing a gun the right way if their are no restrictions
all i know is it must be someone elses fault
I call BS.
William of Rites
Your same cut and paste Comment #10.2 and #16
My Answer Ditto, Comment #10.4
Outdated experiment results only lend inaccurate assessments to the current behaviors.
HAGD
This article is about murder. NOT ABOUT GUNS.
If this was my grandparents, gun or not I would shoot this POS myself. Live all those years, and to get this in the end NO WAY, not in my family..
GM Carol,
You are spot on with that statement!
Gm man. You can not bring them back once they are gone , and I would torture this POS rat b...tard...
medieval punishment >:D
I couldn't agree more!
Someting is wrong here. You keep saying that there are no back ground checks at Gun Shows, That is wrong. In Nebraska if you buy a gun at a gun show you will be checked and you have to go to a Gun dealer in order to pick up your gun which is usually in at least three days.
So sorry for hese Grand Parents, they must have died in a most horrible way, no Gun was used. That leaves stabbing, Beating to death, hanging, choking. This guy needs to be put in the cell he got out of and left to rot.
Grand Father probably told him that he could not have the car. Grand Mother was in the way. Of course this is just guess work.
lets hope he does not steal a gun from some one, lets hope his picture is all over the news in Washington and all States around them.
Victor That is wrong. In Nebraska if you buy a gun at a gun show you will be checked and you have to go to a Gun dealer in order to pick up your gun which is usually in at least three days.
Than why are there soo many illegal guns involved in crimes throughout the US. It's great that you think something is working but it's not it's like illegal immigration it's just not working. It gets back to the reality that a criminal will find a way to obtain a gun no matter what it's not the fault of the gun dealer or maker it's the illegal method that is the issue. Just like the drug addict you do nothing if you arrest 200 addicts you do something if you arrest the 3 largest drug suppliers find away to shut the faucet down
My condolences go out to this Renton family who lost 2 people very dear to them, apparently the grandson did not want to be helped. The courts seen the signs, labeled him a high risk. Apparently he did not use a gun, but something else to kill his grandparents. My guess is he scoped out different gun shows to find out who owns guns and to steal them along the way, for he is a theif. Look at his arrest record.
According to documents filed in King County Superior Court, Boysen has a criminal history that spans a half-decade and includes convictions for first-degree robbery, second-degree robbery and trafficking in stolen property.
"His 2012 conviction stemmed from an incident in which he tried to break into an occupied home in Kent, according to court documents.
He also pleaded guilty to a series of robberies in 2006 after his mother called police to report she had found empty prescription bottles and a demand note.
According to court documents, he and a friend ultimately admitted to robbing several pharmacies and a grocery store in Kent to feed their addictions to the narcotic OxyContin.
In 2006, a prosecutor asked that his bail be raised from $5,000 to $50,000, saying Boysen posed a danger to the community and “the danger he presents is escalating,” charging documents show.
Lewis said Boysen had been labeled a high risk to reoffend."
WilliamOfRites, why don't you be truthful about the so call "Gun Show Loophole". None of the transactions were with exhibitors of the gunshows. All were sales between individuals. You have the same transactions occurring in Walmart parking lots all over the country. Anyone can advertise a firearm for sale in numerous print media and meet you anywhere to finalize the transaction. Should we call that the "Newspaper Loophole"?
I believe we need a comprehensive program to reduce the number of firearms getting into the hands of criminals and mentally ill people. First & formost, we must enforce our existing laws. Creating new laws to selectively enforce will do nothing. Secondly, truly penalize those who break the law. Every law made should have a stated purpose identifying what society is trying to protect.
Iowa Boy,
In some cities since the Newspaper chose to give the address of the law abiding registered gun owner. The Newspaper loophole might be an appropriate name made it much easier for theives such as this thug in this article to know where to go to obtain a gun.
This animal will get his soon. I take that back, he's a savage!
All that are writing a bible here, get real. Copy and paste come on.....
The anti 2nd amendment folks are at it again. They've turned this story into a platform for their anti American bull-chit. They are lying, when they intimate the murders were committed with a gun.
"KIRO-TV reports. The cause of the deaths hasn't been released."
I blame the Hug-A-Thugs for the criminal mess our society is in. The current trend in corrections is therapy. The best therapy is "Old Sparky".
"Hug-a-Thug" Well, that's a new one. I think the only concern area has been about people on death row who actually may be innocent.
The prisons aren't rehabilitating anyone. They just put them in, let them get meaner, and send them out on the streets with all of us innocents to deal with. No money for rehabilitation. No money to keep them in jail, so we get to deal with them. Great system - great plan! Not!
However, if we want a "perfect" system, we need to pay a lot more money in. Where is that going to come from?
I'm calling BS on this and every other post that bashes prisons. I went to prison 3 times, all for misdemeanors. I didn't come out any worse each time than I was before, I was just a young punk that wasn't ready to change yet. Each time I DID take something out with me positive, I just wasn't ready to apply it yet. I've since been a very productive, highly functioning member of society. I own my own home, I have children, and I have a career that requires clearing an extensive Department of Homeland Security background check. This douche has a headful of bad wiring which either comes from poor upbringing, or as it was in my case when I was lost, drug abuse. Guns have nothing to do with this situation, it's just an explosive and touchy issue that gets brought into way too many daily situations for zealots on both sides to turn it into one more overblown argument.
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Progressives/liberals/socialists can't completely control America until they get the guns. They will never, ever stop trying. And a liberal (and they dominate Washington State) parole board let this animal loose.
The prisons in Washington are called "Prisneyland" for reason.
your tin foil hat is way too tight
Type in "Prisneyland". It will mention Washington state prisons. That is where Officer Biendyl was strangled to death by an inmate who had an open door policy.
I own knives, guns, poison, ball bats, cars, and tire irons. These items are NOT registered. And....................
It's none of your damn business what I own.
Great , call the FBI and tell them you have chemical weapons and see how long you "own them' for.
What's your address Arizona? We should probably have the authorities check you out. How crazy are you with all those "weapons" of yours?
both you girls, just proved you're control freaks. You want to call the feds about my ball bat or my tire iron?