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Subscribe to RSSEleven people in Washington, D.C. were injured in a shooting that was caught on camera. NBCNews.com's Dara Brown reports.
Eleven people were injured in a drive-by shooting in northwest Washington, D.C., early Monday.
Authorities say people in two cars opened fire on a crowd in the 1200 block of N. Capitol Street around 2:10 a.m.
The crowd had gathered outside an apartment complex around the time that the club scene in the area was winding down for the night.
One victim was a teenager; the rest are adults. All are expected to survive.
"We have mostly gunshot wounds to the legs, extremities, hands, some graze wounds... Eleven people have been transported to a hospital for some sort of treatment," Lanier said.
The most serious injury was in a man who was shot in the back, reported News4’s Megan McGrath.
It's also possible some victims were injured by flying glass from a shattered bus shelter.
Police spent the morning collecting evidence at a crime scene that stretches nearly a block. A section of N. Capitol Street was cordoned off from M Street to New York Avenue.
Investigators had to wait until the sun rose to finish laying down evidence markers, placing at least 46 to record where bullets and fragments landed.
Lanier said some people were stopped near the scene and are being questioned by officers. They are still looking for two vehicles: a dark, older BMW and a silver sedan.
Police have released a video of the shooting:
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They took a wrong turn and thought they were in Chicago.
whites ?
boonton
whites ?
Not with twelve wounded & no dead. White people shoot better than that. Sounds like someone on vacation from Chicago.
Just kidding , it's those dam swedes , at it again , more black on black crime , bet jesse and al have their blinders on again, can't make money off black on black crime, POOR GEORGE
But how is this possible? DC has some of the strictest gun laws. These kind of things cannot happen with strict gun laws. Criminals obey the laws.
our nations capital;
before retirement, a couple times a year I would have to go to Washington, for meetings; the agency aways kept a block of rooms in a older hotel near K street; after dark, no one would take a walk after dinner, way to dangerous; the inner city gangs in Washington control the streets at night; a very sad state of affairs for our Capitol.
calm down folks it was merely crazy uncle joe and barry pointing out their shotgun knowledge and skills.
Why is this news? The area outside DC is worse than east LA....gangstas and street thugs everywhere...no, wait...I mean DC proper...
With bullets in such short supply, what are they thinking. You can sell them for good money.
The President loves violent cities
It's a damn shame that we cannot visit our nation's capital. I have three grandchildren that I would love to show them all the historical sites that they study in school but it will never happen. I wonder if Hussein thinks they could have been his children like Trayvon. Yea, I know, it whitey's fault.
Good point Mary, perhaps they should follow Chicago's lead and put a bullet tax into effect. sure did them allot of good just look at the drop in gun deaths....oh wait.....well at least they make more tax money.
DC is a city. If you go outside of DC you are in Virginia which has very weak gun laws. So the criminals just drive to a Virginia gun show and buy their guns. That is why the gun control laws won't work without universal background checks.
Yesterday I told my rifle that there was a ban about to be put into effect that would effect it directly. i further explained that It was all due to its own actions and that therefor it would have to fend for itself and take responsibility for its own actions.
I then placed my rifle and a few extra high capacity clips in a wheelchair by the door and left. When i returned several hours latter ...guess what?.... it had not shot ANYONE !!! ...This despite having plenty of ammo AND mobility ( the wheelchair)..... My conclusion?......
....I must just have a lazy a$$ rifle.
Jersey Michael
Sure, because criminals actually obey laws, right? So lets take our, Constitutional, right away from everyone else, who law abiding. That'll show em'...
How many times do posters have to write that YOUR OPINION about gun shows are not true, wrong and lies, before posters like you 'get it'? Apparently, it's repeatedly. Because you are too obtuse to refrain from posting the same BS, over and over, again.
Jersey Michael 1.12
First, you have absolutely no idea what is meant by "universal background check".
Second, the contraband that is in greater abundance in DC than guns is illegal drugs. What nearby state are you going to blame for that?
Four decades of the so called war on drugs and many billions spent yet the country is literally awash in illegal drugs. What makes you or anyone else think any gun ban will magically prevent the criminal from having guns?
All these anti gun laws would accomplish is the disarming of the law abiding, Obama's real agenda..
Jersey Michael,
Why is it that you guys always blame someone or something else for progressive failures? Oh, that's right, you just follow Obama's lead.
...
Just an fyi, but expanding background checks (to cover private gun sales, and eliminate the gun show loophole) and cracking down on gun trafficking (with far far stricter punishments, including jail time) will in no way materially effect any law abiding citizen nor will it take away any Constitutional rights.
And you can make fun of "Jersey Michael" all you want and his post #1.12, but he's 100% correct. Many of the guns that find there way into DC do so via Virginia which has comparatively lax gun laws.
"Assault weapon bans" and even "magazine size restrictions" are a tougher sell and would admittedly have a lesser impact on gun violence, but expanding background checks and jail time for gun trafficking and "straw" sales is a no-brainer, common sense piece of legislation that should be passed yesterday. There are no legitimate arguments against these two items as they do not abridge the 2nd amendment in any way nor do they criminalize law abiding citizens.
40% of guns sold in this country are sold without a background check. Which means if 60% go to law abiding citizens, 2/3 of these guns are being resold to criminals. The bad guys are getting guns 2 to 1 over good guys. No wonder the gun manufacturers and the NRA don't want universal background checks, but why any citizen not in the gun business wouldn't want it is beyond belief.
Bohner in his Bimmer rolling up on the sequester boys?? Jersey Mike, did you pull those percentages and numbers out of you @ss? You have no clue on the numbers and neither does anyone else........
"Universal background checks" when purchasing weapons.
But "NO" Voter I.D. checks when VOTING.
Both will keep the BAD GUYS away.
Sounds like good Progressive ideas.
Can someone explain how you enforce background checks for private sales? Specifically?
@ everyone ------What was I thinking. I belive in one shot one kill. I better get with the times.
The problem with universal background checks is how to regulate and enforce private person to person sales. There is nothing, and I mean nothing, that can stop me from selling my weapons to my pedophile, ax wielding maniac of a neighbor (actually he's a pretty nice guy), but the point is there is no way to effectively manage this. Explain to me HOW do you run a universal background check system?
Seven,
It come from a Department of Justice report http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
NoLiberty,
Do it the same way you do with a car. Have a title and registration. When you sell your gun, the title is transferred to the new owner. Have whoever does the title transfer, whether state agency or liscenced firearm dealer do the background check.
How to enforce background checks on private sales is very simple.
Everyone has to register their weapon right? Well, if a weapon is found on someone, and that person is not the registered owner of the weapon (and the weapon wasn't reported stolen) then both the person holding the weapon and the person the weapon is registered to get in trouble.
Easy peasy.
And Jersey... when they (criminals) bash in your door on your home and carry away your friggin' gun safe like they did to a friend of mine, what good it that?
@Jersey Michael: Do it the same way you do with a car. Have a title and registration. When you sell your gun, the title is transferred to the new owner. Have whoever does the title transfer, whether state agency or liscenced firearm dealer do the background check.
Mmmm... that looks like a foolproof solution! There is absolutely no title fraud in the US. No one has ever had a car stolen and not found. No cars are ever chopped up for parts. No one has ever bought a stolen car, either.
I mean, it's not like you can just go to a DMV and lie to get a new title or something... oh, wait...
http://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/replacetitle.html
make them go through an agent. For example, Walmart, as they are currently the largest gun distributor.
If someone wants to make a private sale, the two parties (and the firearm) meet at the local Walmart (or any other FFL dealer) where the transaction occurs and the agent is able to conduct a background check on the purchaser. The agent collects a small fee for performing the check, the two parties exchange weapons and money (if the background check clears) and everyone goes on their merry way.
This is AT MOST, a MINOR inconvenience for legal, law-abiding citizens who wish to make a private sale and in no way, shape, or form, infringes upon their 2nd amendment rights.
I lived in northern Virginia from the age of 16 until I was 21 (my dad worked in D.C.). Our next door neighbor was a D.C. homicide detective. Back then D.C. was the murder capital of the country & our neighbor used to get called to 2 or 3 murders almost every night.
There were also frequent drive by shootings in D.C. back then too, though the crime back then was usually on the south/southeast side of the city. I guess things haven't changed very much in D.C. since those days but at least no one died this time.
Mark,
No solution is 100% but if we can stop criminals from getting 10% of the guns they now get, it would be worth it.
@ ScubaSteve
Wrong! Gun registration varies by state, city etc... For example here in Texas guns are not registered at all.
@ DrowningGrover
I think everyone realizes how universal checks would be done. What most are wondering is how will you force people to go through the hassle if they want to sell one of their guns privately to a relative or neighbor etc...
@JerseyMichael: No solution is 100% but if we can stop criminals from getting 10% of the guns they now get, it would be worth it.
Yeah, but that's a feel good solution at best. In Connecticut we have had twice as many murders with bare hands than by rifles over the past couple of decades, and 10 TIMES as many with knives, clubes, etc. Yet murder has been illegal since at least 1638.
Any such system is doomed to fail unless we FIRST have a national system for identification. And given the pushback on THAT, it's back to sqaure one.
And, I'll take it one step further: if all guns are registered and can't be sold unless through an agent, there will no longer be any laws against concealed carry. All city and state laws will immediately be tossed out! Well, that's not going to fly in the blue states and cities, now is it?
Of course, given how quickly the Feds have zoomed to deal with legal Marijuana in Colorado, it's all a sad joke of gamesmanship.
I would agree that many people understand how it would be conducted, but my post was for the benefit of the two people (#1.21 and #1.23) who asked specifically how it would be done. It's such an easy solution, it's actually sad it hasn't been enacted decades ago.
That one's easy. If you want to sell your guns to a relative or neighbor, you have to go to an agent and go through the same process as any OTHER private sale. No exceptions.
If you do not, and it is discovered that you skipped the background check process, then you should be forced to pay large fines (like $5k+). If, god forbid, the gun you sold is used in the commission of a crime, and you did not go through the background check process, than you should be considered a "gun trafficker" or "straw purchaser" and spend several years in jail.
After a couple of people get 5 year prison sentences for illegally selling a firearm privately without conducting the prerequisite background check only to have those guns turn up at crime scenes, taking the gun to Walmart and paying $25.95 for the background check won't even seem like a "hassle" at all...
{edited to add: As an aside, a bipartisan group of Senators has proposed and are considering 20 year sentences for "straw" purchasers. Again, the fact that this isn't already the case is pretty sad.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/03/04/senators-reportedly-reach-bipartisan-agreement-on-gun-trafficking-bill/}
Maybe if cities would impose a curfew on holding chimp conventions on the street corner after midnight, there wouldn't be such a target-rich environment.
Not that I'm complaining, mind you...
All we have to do is pass another law (universal-inhibitory-paperwork) to prevent crime! How simple, why did I not think of that? No thoughts about solving gang problems, pay the single mother to have a fatherless child, pay her double for another! Spend millions on BS. But always blame crime on guns! Expedient and no thought required!
I was hoping the gangstas were targeting the politicians
I actually advocate for a system of STATEwide registration, wherein firearms are registered with the state. This blunts some of the pushback from the most ardent pro-gun advocates because it eliminates or reduces the specter of a "tryannical government boogeyman" out to enslave us all.
I feel like Texans would be more willing to register their firearms with the state of Texas rather than the federal government, just like Alaskans registering with the Alaskan state. Some people aren't willing to register firearms at all, but evenso asking for statewide registration defangs the visceral emotional reaction a bit.
According to a telephone survey done 19 years ago ...... before the Brady Bill.
Do you have any idea what you are trying to say? I have a degree in mathematics, and I can't figure it out.
For the same reason I don't want my granddaughter to be forced to take birth control pills because the girl next door got pregnant. It's intrusive and ineffectual, and cannot be done without a universal database. This cannot prevent individual sales.
Who issues the titles, who keeps the registration database, and how does this stop individual sales? And don't even mention that driving a car is a privelege, while "keep and bear arms" is a right.
I just wonder who's going to be going around physically checking every single person in the US to make sure the gone they have is legally theirs. I mean, how do you know to check a person for a gun NOW, that was bought in the past, through a private sale that wasn't documented? Nobody knows that person has that gun. So is there going to be some mandatory search by the entirety of the army of every single living person in the country?
@ DrowningGrover
I've lived in Texas for the past 12.5 years & the answer to that question for the majority of gun owners in Texas = NO.
IA.ScooterTramp
Sounds like your rifle is smarter than you. But I have one question for you. Did it talk back to you?
But there are automatic gun laws in DC - how could this possibly happen??
Jersey Mike made a good point. DC is a city, lots of gun crime regardless of laws because it is close to a state with less gun laws. So, the OBVIOUS solution here is to finish the fences we started long ago. If you drive the beltway, you'll see the 30' high walls all around the city, but they never finished the project. Build the walls around the city, sell tickets, and let them have at it. After the smoke clears, hose off the streets and start taking things back. Do the same thing around all the other free ride towns.
BS! Please provide reliable "current" source before spouting your propaganda.
Not the first time you've dumped this BS and been called on it either is it jersey mikey?
Jersey Michael is a liar!
The 40 Percent Assumption
During his Field & Stream interview, Biden claims "it's estimated 40 percent of all gun sales are ... sold other than through a licensed dealer in a physical facility" without a NICS background check.
The same statistic has been cited repeatedly over the last three months by Biden, President Barack Obama and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, and, of course, accepted as Bible and verse by the mainstream media.
The problem is it's not true — and Biden knows it, even drawing kudos from Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler on Jan. 21 for "acknowledging that the information is suspect and may not be entirely accurate." On one hand, Biden admits the 40 percent statistic “may not be entirely accurate." On the other, he proceeds as if it is, in fact, entirely accurate.
According to The Washington Post, the contentious statistic (actually 35.7 percent) comes from a 1994 survey of 251 people that was cited in a 1997 Institute of Justice report. The report's claims were revived in a 2011 study by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's office, which claimed that “40 percent of guns are sold through private sellers.”
Most of the survey covered sales before the Brady Act instituted mandatory federal background checks in early 1994. Included in that 35.7 percent of sales or transfers conducted without background checks are firearms given as inheritances or as gifts among family members, which would remain exempt under Obama's universal background checks system.
According to economist and author John Lott, "unless you include family inheritances and gifts as 'purchases,' [the 40 percent claim] is simply false." He maintains the "true number of guns 'sold' without check is closer to 10 percent."
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/03/fact-check-biden-gun-control-and-universal-background-check-interview
You have to love people that need to lie to try and prove their point!
@all: what would the laws accomplish if I did what some operations do and GAVE my gun away,for a minor DONATION to my favorite charity,me?
You say that D.C.'s crime rate is so high because of lax gun laws in neighboring states. If that were the case, and the problem is access to guns, shouldn't the neighboring states crime stats be on par with D.C.? Or is it that D.C. has higher crime rates because there is less of a legal access to guns (and less access for law-abiding citizens).
You also say that universal background checks are a must. How would you implement that without universal registration? Per the FOPA of 1986, federal firearm registration is illegal. Not to mention, criminals are exempt from registration of firearms per Haynes v U.S. (1968).
Z - that is my favorite argument, it is because of the weak gun laws somewhere else. Yet that somewhere else doesn't have the problem. Weird isn't it?
If we go by that, watch out states surrounding Colorado, because weed problems are going to get super crazy where you are, you know because of the weak laws somewhere else.
so jersey do you actually know the rules for selling guns at a gun show? i doubt it. first off yes an individual may sell a gun at a show without the back ground check. that 40% you speak of seems way to high to me since an individual without a federal gun license can only sell wait for it 15 guns a YEAR without the license. now is that being enforced i doubt that as well. to say that all of these guns being used in chicago, and dc are coming through that area is i think a little extreme. DC has the same gang problem that chicago has and i doubt they are getting most of their guns from neighboring state either through the gun show or straw purchases. if they are however then strengthening and enforcing those laws should reduce these acts. so why do we need more laws?
Gun control helps a lot, huh Washington? Full of s_it, as usual. Gun control does nothing positive for a law abiding citizen!!!
JM and DG, keep telling yourself the same crap over and over and over and it will NEVER be true. Criminals do NOT buy their guns from gun shows or private citizens. Do you really think they want to be SEEN buying guns?
They get their guns from the BLACK MARKET. Guns that were STOLEN by other CRIMINALS and probably from other criminals. Law abiding citizens don't buy guns to sell them to criminals, but to protect themselves from them.
Background checks are nothing more than a way to collect data on us. Once they have enough data they will know who to go to when they choose to TRY to take away guns from law abiding citizens. This certainly does violate our constitutional rights. If you don't think disarming us is part of the game plan you are not listening to your freaking leaders very carefully.
Oneslackr # 1.30
Northern Virginia does not have such a rate of deaths, unless you live in the worst part of South Arlington. High level of crime is in DC and Maryland, by the Anacostia River who have similar tipe of neighborhood than SE DC. Crime in NW DC is going down because with the high cost of living is getting "whity" and they are pushing the poor African American neighborhoods to Prince George in Maryland, where the crime is rising.
Really, Jersey Mike? 40% dold to criminals? How about 40% are private sales between citizens that do not involve licensed gun dealers?
True, my experieince is limited, but where does this " gun show loophole" exist? Every show that I have been to either had internet setup allowing for checks, or the sale was completed at the dealer's store.
Of course, the Libs seem to ignore, or "selectively" forget, that several guns traced through "Fast and Furious" have been found in Chicago and other prominate US cities. That makes Holder and The Obama the most prolific ....... and dangerous ....... straw buyers.
Another "overlooked" problem being that the majority of the triggermen are minorities, with a high percentage being undocumented immigres from our southern border. Let's focus on the root cause and not the symptom.
The gun debate was setteled in 1791 with the signing of the Bill of Rights.
Unless of course someone in a high government position has an agenda to circumvent those rights and also to attempt to destroy the Constitution as it applies to protect us common folk from a repressive adminstration. Please note that I said administration and did not generalize it by saying government. Some may laugh at that ridiculous statement, just keep track of all those little rights that just seem to slowly vaporize.
Glad I don't live in that nice safe gun free cesspool.
Yea, law abiding citizens always sell their legally purchased firearms to criminals. Don't you think the police might check up on those guns that are used in felonies and captured. If they even suspect you sold a gun to a felon it will be the last gun you purchase legally. And forget that concealed weapons permit. If it is stolen that is one thing. But I don't think they are going to be fooled if you tell them you have a gun stolen every few weeks either. I am very careful who I sell my guns to as they will come back to haunt you. I like my freedom and my weapons. I respect the law.
An unfortunate fact about "registration" is many of us believe that such information will be made public. Either by a FOIA request or by hackers such as the many people do such things for a living. I purchased several of my handguns in Texas, undergoing background checks. That information was supposed to be erased under the rules applicable then. Since retiring and moving to the EverWet" state, they are still unregistered. I have a Washington state CCP. for which I also underwent a background check. If registration came with state and federal privacy guarantees that such information would only available through.. uh.. Well, I don't know about the FBI but is the BATF trustworthy? If these data are stored on a state or federal data center, they are vulnerable to exposure. Remember when that NY newspaper published names, addresses and other pertinent data regarding licensed gun owners in the paper? How would you like seeing your gun collection cataloged in a newspaper?
that's actually a pretty silly question, if you thought about it for 5 seconds you'd come up with an answer. As a hint, think about crime rates in urban environments versus rural/suburban environments. Consider socioeconomic backgrounds as well.
While it's true that some criminals obtain their firearms through black market sellers selling previously stolen firearms, there are many would-be criminals who DO obtain their firearms through private sales (and to a lesser extent, gun shows).
This is the entire POINT of gun trafficking (and why operation Fast & Furious was conducted). A person, or a group of people, legally obtain firearms (they buy as many as they want) and then sell them 2nd hand (at great markup) to individuals often without conducting a background check (cause honestly, the resellers don't care if they're selling to criminals).
Do gun trafficking rings exist in Northern Virginia with likely many end-users living within DC and the greater DC area? I thinks it's pretty safe to assume the answer is a resounding YES (see below):
http://www.justice.gov/usao/vae/news/2011/12/20111201cardenasnr.html
http://ww2.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/archivestory.php?id=179224
http://www.alexandrianews.org/2013/01/manassas-woman-indicted-after-allegedly-purchasing-more-than-25-firearms-in-15-days/
http://dcist.com/2010/09/virginia_maryland_top_list_of_gun_e.php
this is all hyperbolic paranoia. The US military, an all volunteer force (read as: the soldiers are our friends, family, neighbors, and loved ones), WILL NOT turn on the US citizen and systematically enslave them.
@Jersey Michael...go spew your garbage elsewhere. People from DC live in the District of Columbia and are not Virginia state residents. So therefore they can not come to Virginia and purchase firearms. Know your facts before you spew your liberal minded garbage.
Why is Chicago getting such a bad rap after I'm sure everyone has been reading about Camden NJ. Camden is surely a gun lovers paradise.
Jersey Michael
This is a BS statistic because it includes sales to CCW permit holders and LEO's who have already had a Federal background check.
Nothing but trouble being out after dark. Hell, it's so dark out, you can't even see the person that is shooting at you.
Enjoy the club "Night Life" and everything that comes with it.
DrowningGrover
You don't think there are "urban environments" in Virginia?? Maybe you should spend a little more than 5 seconds thinking about things.
RE: This is a BS statistic because it includes sales to CCW permit holders and LEO's who have already had a Federal background check.
So I an pass a background check and get a gun and go rob a bank, get caught and then after I get out of prison I can go buy more guns? Cool
People that passed a background check once, doesn't mean they will always pass a check.
If Obama had a son...he'd look just like those guys in the video
...and that includes the ones in the cars
LOL We cant even stop people from running red lights and speeding htf we gonna control ANYTHING else??
Maybe make the penaltys severe enough to deter the retards from doing the crimes! Enough of this slap on the wrist @!$%#! Start kickin some ass!
Jersey Michael. Blacks commit 50% of all gun related murders, maybe we should have a law against Blacks owning guns eh.
Drowning Grover YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!!!
It can happen because DC is just across the river from Virginia, the republican/nra stronghold where any retarded mental patient can get any weapon he or she wants.
@ redvirginia
Reading comprehension is your friend. Go back & read what I wrote in my post above (#1.30). I didn't say anything about rates of death in Virginia.
The only thing I said about Virginia was that I lived in northern VA until I was 21 & that our neighbor was a D.C. homicide detective.
"Anyone who gives up any of his/her rights for a little temporary safety, deserves neither!"
You libs are selling your souls, mighty cheaply.
Emerald Hernandezvia Facebook
No, that's not at all what it means. You get a permit when you pass the background check. To avoid the repeated background check at the gunshop you have to show them your permit. If you do anything to lose the right to have a permit (like rob a bank for example) they come and take the permit from you. And of course committing a felony would prevent you from ever obtaining a CCW permit again.
My state requires that I renew my CCW permit every 4 years. That means I have a new background check done that often. Nowhere did I suggest or imply that it was a once in a lifetime event. And, again, if I do something to lose my permit before it expires they send a Sheriffs Deputy to my house to retrieve it which would mean I'd need the check at the gunshop if I tried to by a gun.
This highlights the problem with many in the "anti-gun" crowd, they make arguments that are not remotely based on fact.
You know, if guns were legal, this never would've happened...oh wait...guns ARE legal...oh u...
Drowning Grover would like us all to believe there is no urban areas in Virginia and anywhere near Chicago.
From: Police Chief Johnson’s testimony “40% bypass background checks” is false
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars!
Scooter is your gun a BLACK one?
@ Idaho-Steven
And our money! Colorado is now playing with charging everyone for their redundant CBI background checks instead of punishing those who can't pass one and get caught trying! It's all about the fees instead of taxes and fees are an infringement; not a minor inconvenience, as the right would prefer us to believe (@ Drowning Glover).
@ Drowning Glover,
Your registration ideas are stupid! A complete bureaucratic infringement upon a right, not a privilege like driving, and not a mere inconvenience.
Have you ever had to go and register a vehicle, do you recall how much the ended up costing you in time and money? Do you think for an instance the government, especially one controlled by Democrats, will balk at the chance to fleece you or I given the opportunity to set registration fees? Have you ever been in an accident with someone who didn't register and/or insure their vehicle; how did that work out for you? Do you really think they'll change their way and comply after getting a slap on the wrist fine.
Do you think for an instance that they (the government) will let Wal-mart in on the fleecing; hell no, they'll set up a whole new department of screw you over and raise your taxes or tell you that because of the sequester you can't do the checks until next Tuesday! No sir, no way, your ideas are stupid.
Not to mention your suggesting people wander around the country with their guns in tow into major shopping venues. Hey, welcome to Wal-mart, let me put a sticker on that there Mac10, AR15, 50 Caliber Sniper of yours to show it's yours. Wait you're not the fella that came in with that there weapon where's your transfer papers, your papers, show me your papers or I'll call security. You're a moron!
One more right to privacy gone because why? Fear mongering! Mind your own business and stay out of mine for a change!
Jersey Mike
Mike is just spewing his liberal rant and talking points. It amazes me that even though these libs know nothing of the gun laws they still spew their stupidity. I will address a few comments you made
A person buying a gun in Virginia through a dealer needs to go through a backround check, this also includes purchases through pawn shops. They do not have weak gun laws, it is what is required federally. they are not weak just because they are not like the draconian gun laws of the Socialist Republic of New Jersey. Thank you libs for making a giant mess of Jersey
There is no such thing as a "gun show loophole". Guns purchased through a dealer at a show must go through a backround check. Dealers are not going to rish their FFL and jail just so they can sell a gun to someone that may not want a check done. Law enforcement are all over the place at these shows.
Your number...40% of guns sold in this country are sold without a background check is utter BS. I don't care where you numbers come from. Seems odd that you or they don't state 40% of legal sales because that is what should matter. That 40% number is just a quess and they are shooting for the stars.
You compare guns to autos as in title and registration. One problem is the Right to Bear Arms is just that a right and driving and registering a car is a privalage. Seems odd though that "CRIMINALS" drive cars all the time without a license or other required documents.
I would be willing to bet if these crooked city cops actually did their jobs and enforced the laws already on the books that your 10% number would be easily reached.
I know I am just wasting my breath/fingers here. Well I need to hit the head and launch a democrat, then flush it
Rhonda Lucky,
Gun control is like me forcing you to take birth control pills because your next door neighbor got pregnant.
All this blathering about how to keep honest people honest. Throwing away money and time trying to keep guns out of the hands of criminals is ridiculous. Anyone with intellectual honesty knows that no amount of regulation is going to make any impact. It just becomes a narcissistic rant about personal beliefs.
Why should we have a universal background check to buy a firearm but no background check is required on this president we now have?
NevadaJ - "It can happen because DC is just across the river from Virginia, the republican/nra stronghold where any retarded mental patient can get any weapon he or she wants."
Then why isn't the crime rate in Virginia just as high or higher than in DC?
Emerald,
Can't speak for other states, but where I live, having a CCW permit does NOT allow a person to bypass the firearm background check process. Every firearm transaction requires a new background check. A CCW permit only allows the owner to carry a firearm provided they follow the laws of the state their permit is valid in, it has NOTHING to do with purchasing a firearm. And in order to renew a CCW permit, another background check is required. Permit holders take the responsibility very seriously and the permit is revoked if the laws are not followed. Unlike criminals, who tend to NOT get a permit. And DON'T follow the laws period.
Honey!!
Grease up the cat; I'm coming home!!
Maby they thought they were shooting at the A$$HOLE CONGRESSMEN!!
Max^108
How can you tell which one is which these days?
@ Jersey's comment way up there!
Do it the same way you do with a car. Have a title and registration. When you sell your gun, the title is transferred to the new owner. Have whoever does the title transfer, whether state agency or liscenced firearm dealer do the background check.
My issue is primarily that it creates a database of my property. I don't want the police or my neighbors acting funny around me when some hacker group posts all this information online. I also don't want to be targeted by criminals for robbery to steal my firearms.
I understand the intent, but the above is the burden it puts on the law-abiding public
I agree that this will reduce sellers from unknowingly trying to legally sell their guns to someone who fails a background check - but it does nothing to prevent unregistered weapons from being passed along, straw purchases from occurring (at least until the seller is caught) and people from stealing guns.
I personally don't feel this will do more good than harm, and in good conscience would vote against it.
@ DrowningGrover
make them go through an agent. For example, Walmart, as they are currently the largest gun distributor.
If someone wants to make a private sale, the two parties (and the firearm) meet at the local Walmart (or any other FFL dealer) where the transaction occurs and the agent is able to conduct a background check on the purchaser. The agent collects a small fee for performing the check, the two parties exchange weapons and money (if the background check clears) and everyone goes on their merry way.
Unlike the idea above, I actually really like that this idea does NOT create a firearm registry.
However, it still relies on people being honest to go do the transfer.
I think its a great voluntary system for strangers to sell guns to each other and have peace of mind - can you go to a gun store and ask them to do this for you already? Is there a mechanism in place to do this right now on a voluntary basis?
I have never, and will likely never sell a firearm, but if I ever were to, to a stranger, I would like to do do it this way.
F It give every one a gun and 2,000 rounds of ammo, we can sort it out and be done with it. otherwise its the criminals that will take over. they will stop shooting when they are gone.
Till then die with it!
which is of course why I also stated:
Arlington and Alexandria, while "urban" in relation to the rest of the country, is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING like SE DC and it's overflow into Prince George's County.
Urban professionals working for the Defense Industry and/or lobbying firms making $100k+ have nothing in common with destitutely poor folks in the Highlands and Anacostia. It's the same reason why 5th Ave. and Wall St. in NYC aren't as crime riddled as the South Bronx...
Why? Cause I disagree with you? And cause I pointed out that gun trafficking rings are quite common in Virginia (as they are in many states), and it's inevitable that many of these guns make their way into the hands of DC area criminals?
How is that "delusional" and not "common knowledge?"
I said no such thing. There are, however, no urban areas in Northern Virginia that are similar to SE DC, which is all I basically stated.
If you want to compare Arlington, Tyson, Alexandria, Falls Church, McLean, and Loudon County to the ghetto's of DC, be my guest, but they are in virtually no way similar other than relative population density and latitude/longitude. I live in the DC area, I'm well aware of the differences in the neighborhoods. I've never balked at going out in Arlington, I don't even GO to SE DC.
Fair enough, I don't expect everyone to agree on everything.
So lobby and call your Congressman to prevent a new agency from being set up to do this. Make no mistake, expanded background checks and heavier gun trafficking punishments are coming down the pipe someday. Something like 90% of the population wants background checks, you're swimming upstream if you're fighting against them.
So put your effort on things you CAN control. Have your congressperson add an amendment to the bill that prevents from the government from setting up a new office to perform private sales, and force them into private hands (isn't this good for private business?).
Fight the fights you can win. This is why I've completely given up on any form of the "Assault Weapons Ban," and "magazine size restriction." We can't win those fights, they are too volatile and would have a far less impact on gun violence than other simple, more palatable efforts.
Um, people do that NOW. Is there any difference between walking IN to a gun dealer with a firearm to conduct a private transaction and someone walking OUT with a newly purchased firearm?
@DrowningGrover: I actually advocate for a system of STATEwide registration, wherein firearms are registered with the state. This blunts some of the pushback from the most ardent pro-gun advocates because it eliminates or reduces the specter of a "tryannical government boogeyman" out to enslave us all.
I feel like Texans would be more willing to register their firearms with the state of Texas rather than the federal government, just like Alaskans registering with the Alaskan state. Some people aren't willing to register firearms at all, but evenso asking for statewide registration defangs the visceral emotional reaction a bit.
Not just no, but hell no! Not without a provision stating that with registration comes universal Concealed Carry. When you have a car, you expect to be able to drive it everywhere. Why can't a citizen carry his firearm likewise?
Hmm. Yes, because registration has never lead to government over-reach before? It's not like 4 years ago police in Toronto seized 400 legally owned rifles by going door to door or something...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/22/guns-toronto-seized-police523.html
Imagine had the cops done something crazy like randomly gone up to the homes of known criminals and asked to see their guns! Oh wait, they have rights...
So let me get this bureaucratic nightmare idea straight.. All guns should have a title? All owners should have a license? You are only allowed to be in possession/touch a weapon that is in your name?
What a bunch of BS!! Has anyone noticed that these liberal Democrat bastions of entitlement are also the crime centers of the USA??
First of all these laws are straight out unconstitutional, the right shall not be infringed kinda says it all..
So it is wrong to loan your truck to your neighbor because all he has is a car and wants to get lumber from the lumber yard.. {OR} Your neighbor wants to go duck hunting with his uncle but does not have a 12 gauge shotgun just his and hers AR15s and asks to borrow one of yours.. This would become illegal and both of you guilty of a felony.. It certainly would be a waste of money to transfer the shotgun twice to stay within the law.. Can we say stupid!! This is as bad as the genius who said all guns should have insurance and be registered.. If one is stolen and used in a crime or to kill the owner would be guilty of the crime and sue-able, punished the same as the criminal who did the illegal acts?! So if someone jacks your car at knife point then runs from the police and plows through a crowd of school children killing 20 and injuring 20 the car owner should get the death penalty?????
Obama has stated several times that he as a Constitutional schollar thinks that the document is full of outdated ideas.. He also stated his desire to redistribute wealth by force through taxation on the wealthy.. This is a Communist ideal!! He even has some of his followers wanting him to draft a new one that would give him a free hand to socialize this country.. Are they NUTS???
So until that day when these liberal idiots void the Constitution all this lawmaking is in violation of the Constitution and bill of rights.. Obama is going to slap an insane tax on ammunition via executive order when the big brother gun laws fail to get passed.. This will be yet another unconstitutional act on his part.. He has not once been called on the carpet to answer for the several others he has committed..
carryingconcealed, you are suspended for a week for violating rule # 5 of the Code of Honor.
Don't make racist remarks, please.
Drive by shooting in Washington DC were a full gun ban is in place and the shooter using an illegally obtained gun. What a surprise huh?
Example after Example after Example after Example. Gun bans dont work. Only criminals will have guns. Look at Mexico. Full gun ban nation wide, has that stopped gun crimes or the civil war they are all living in?
YOUR NOT GETTING MY GUNS. You can hang that up. I dont give a da_m what laws you pass. Your not getting a da_m thing from me.
Of course criminals have guns, they steel them from the homes of legal gun owners. Your argument is self defeating.
They don't steal from the homes of legal gun owners.....they are funneled up from the South...bought in private sales and gun shows.
Did you really compare us to Mexico Mr. "your not getting my guns". In case you haven't been there or dealt with them, Mexico barely has a functioning democratic government and in case you haven't noticed, and I'm sure you haven't, nobody wants your guns, they want the guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and convicted felons by requiring some actual laws that make sense. Unless your one of the above, you should be fine. Keep your gun locked up in a safe, don't teach your 15 year old cousin on Prozachow to shoot and give him a key, and just keep taking your meds and you should be fine.
DC is right next door to Virginia, where guns are pretty easy to obtain.
and they are going to achieve such by restricting the gun rights of the law abiding citizen and that makes sense to you?
There are tons of laws on meth labs as well...do THEY work? of course not. ...FEEL GOOD MEASURE'S never do.
MMC(SS)....the United States is a barely functioning democracy since President Obama has been in office....the President has stated before he doesn't think anyone should have guns.....so don't tell me he won't try and take them if he thinks he can......most of the gun laws proposed right now, affect only those people who tend to follow the law, they do nothing to address the gun violence problem
This didn't happen. Sorry, but DC has the most protective gun control laws in the US, the citizens are very well protected, and secure. So, this is impossible, because there are no guns.
Mexico does not ban firearms. The laws in place to keep people from getting them are very strict, but they are constitutionally allowed. It's essentially the same as Chicago and DC, which isn't working.
So, I guess when all guns except double barrel shotguns are banned, gangbangers will have to get their illegal guns somewhere other than Walmart and gunshows, right?...where? Where, oh where might a gangbanger find a gun? Why, they can send them up along with their DRUGS...that's where! Not those tame military style guns...I'm talking full blown military ordnance. A few AK's, some real M16's(that we gave the Mexican military), hell, maybe even some RPGs. There's no demand yet, but just wait til they get spooled up...then you'll see some real carnage. But, we'll stop them at the border, right? Just like all the illegal drugs...rainbows and unicorns for us all!
MMC(SS) "nobody wants your guns"
Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.”
Senator Dianne Feinstein’s ultimate plan has always been to have Mr. and Mrs. America turn in their guns to the government, period. Feinstein’s bill would criminalize millions of Americans and completely eviscerate second amendment rights.
I beg to differ about your statement that nobody wants your guns! There are many in DC that want exactly that! They can't enforce all the gun laws on the books now, but want to make more laws to restrict law abiding citizens from have guns.
Their motive is not gun control it is about people control! PERIOD! History has proven this so many times I can't even begin to list them all.
Excellent post JB. The drug cartels will easily diversify their offerings. China, Pakistan and Turkey crank out guns by the 10's of millions. Won't be that difficult for the cartels to acquire and re-route hundreds of thousands of AK's and pistols to the thugs of the US via the Mexican border. I wonder if this isn't already being done on a smaller level?
I lost all my guns in a fishing expedition in the Chesapeake Bay...That's my story and I'm, sticking to it.
>;-)
@ GodblessAmerica
Exactly.
All of the people who ride to work on their unicorns, believe in Santa, the Tooth Fairy, & are related to the leprechaun who has a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow think that restricting/banning guns from citizens who follow/obey rules/laws will somehow magically disarm all of the criminals & insane people in this country. These same people tend to have their heads so far up their a** that they need a window in their stomach to be able to see out.
Then, after all is said and done, we will be just like England and Australia...they will be unable to explain the jump in violence, yet unwilling to own up to the mistake and reverse their Orwellian policies.
Why do you sheeple think someone can buy a gun at a gun show with out a background check, thats a total bs lie. a phone call to the fbi is made on every purchase. private sales are a different story unfortunately. stop with the gun show loophole BS. criminals will never follow the law thats whyt they are called criminals.
I need to get down to the bay and do some searching. I've heard a lot of guys lost their guns there. I tied all mine together in the boat so I couldn't drop one. Later in the day, after drinkin a few, we sort of sunk the boat. Guns all tied to it. Go figure.
laztstrall-
I hear a tragedy like that occurs on a daily basis...Perhaps the NRA needs to focus on this part of responsible gun ownership as well...
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In the 20 years I held a FFL as a gunsmith and dealer, I had exactly 1 gun I sold come up as the gun used in a crime. Even that one was stolen from the person who purchased it. I have to ask how would you enforce registration of existing guns? I know several gun owners who have owned guns since the 1050's and have never had a record of a sale or ownership for these guns. Will you do a house to house search? Or hope even half of the existing guns get registered if this silly idea becomes law?
Pine Walker
They don't steal from the homes of legal gun owners.....they are funneled up from the South...bought in private sales and gun shows.
Don't Forget the US Government selling those guns to the criminals south of the border to "track the traffic" and then used to shoot our border patrol officer and who knows how many others that have not made the media.
Oh yeah! This is why we need gun control! All those law-abiding citizens driving around at 2am shooting up people roaming the streets at 2am. I'm sure all the shooters were carrying a right to carry license. I'm also sure that they were all defending themselves. Without saying it I am also sure of their ethnic background! Jesse, Oh, Jesse Jackson! Are You back from venerating our declared enemy, Hugo Chazev? Hello Jesse, jump in and do your best to point at the non-blacks!
God, I hate this crap. Two of my favorite neighbors are black, and this crap, especially the Travelling Road-show (Jesse and Al Sharpton) continue to inflame racism!
JohnBrowning.
What exactly are you talking about?
What the hell has Orwell got to do with a bunch of hoodlems in DC got to do with England and Australia?
Extrapolate with some sort of background on the English and Australian system of law enforcement. I don't mean a brief summary, I mean a full explanation of your brief, mis-guided, unjustified comment!
Who cares, it's blacks killing blacks, been doing it for years and years. I can't believe our leaders (especially black) cannot find a solution for this ongoing tragedy.
Is simple physics some elements just don't mix only in this case its not allowed to say because its politically incorrect, the libs do not want to hear it, so goes freedom of speach. oh well it was nice when we had it. now how do they intend to run around the rest of the constitution. you know there is a way to get around everything even working for a living.
Its not the job of anyone to control others that just makes things get out of control, we set up rules then we enforce them, this country picks and chooses to suite the bank accounts and no further, the more crime the more money for the rich, so if you are all victims then you are all a potential profit, keep your gun you will need it sad to say but true. the only one you can count on is you. not you and yours but you period...and ...!.you.
That's ANOTHER thing wrong with this country: We need to overhaul the education system when people cannot determine the proper word to use in a sentence...Don is one of those children that were left behind...Or at least should have been left behind until he learned exactly what each word meant.
Don Giacomo-
I will rewrite my previous so hopefully you will be able to understand it:
Them's ANOTHER thing rong with this country: We need to overhull the school system when peoples cant know the proper word to use in a sentence. Don is 1 of those childrens that where left behind, or maybe should have ben left behind until he lernt eggsactly wot each word meaned.
Don-
Your education is self-defeating...
SMH
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Why is it Obama handed out thousands of full auto machine guns, high explosives mortars, RPG's and man portable anti aircraft/anti tank missiles to Islam revolutionaries?? Do you think he asked for a background check on these guys or the drug gangs in Mexico?? But he is quite happy to take away US citizens rights and has dreams of confiscating all the firearms just like Dianne Feinstein.. He calls Egypt a success but the Muslim Brotherhood wrote a Constitution that strips the rights of all Christians and reinforces sham elections for Islamists..
MMC(SS) Before I can take your rant seriously, you need to understand the difference between "your" and "you're"! People, before you post, please understand the use of correct English, otherwise you appear to be stupid, and no-one will pay attention to you. They might even think that you may have voted for the Oman
"With the exception of homicide, crime in DC is relatively low" Marion Barry, former DC Mayor
Wasn't Marion Barry a crackhead, literally?
Michael, NOT a BIT.....he was an alcoholic (because he worked so hard at making the city beautiful) who was lured by a prostitute to try crack cocaine in a sleazy motel room. And even though she was a prostitue, he would have never had sex with her! He was a good and decent man............not.
HAHA! So don't worry when traveling to DC, you won't get robbed, you might get killed, but at elast you won't get robbed. :-) I grew up right outside of DC. Like any other major city you have know where you can go and when.
Almost all violent and non-violent crime in the tiny hamlet of DC is committed by blacks or hispanic illegals. DC has a population of 500,000, half of which is white and the other half of-color. However, no neighborhood is safe; the half of the District that is worker bee or there due to diplomatic consulate/embassy work (the true NW quadrant) has long been far too tolerant of decades of rampant corruption and incompetence throughout black elite DC govt. Anyone who has ever lived in the District knows that white guilt has enabled that dysfunction since the 1960s. Those who get fed up with the expensive and dangerous insanity, relocate to NoVA. Those who get fed up but still pay lip service to political correctness, relocate to Montgomery County - which is now just as much a crime riven mess as NE/SE DC or PG County. Given that DC has some of the highest income and property taxes in the country, theres is no excuse for this continued urban warfare that feeds on cronyism, black racism and extortion. The Nation's Capital is the last place this kind of junk social engineering ought have been allowed to thrive like a fungus in the dark. Understandable in the larger metro cities of Chicago and Atlanta, though no less primitive and repugnant. It's past time for Washington, DC, to clean up its crime - all of which emanates from the ghetto neighborhoods east of Connecticut Ave.
Tell me, that crackhead mayor... didn't they reelect the bum when he got out of prison? Whoda thunk, go figger.
Correct. He was mayor, went to prison, then was elected mayor again.
Marion Barry was a home grown native of DC. Now consider the voting public in DC....who better to represent them than a local dude to likes to do a little dope once in awhile and run with hookers?
Although Barry and the voters who put him in office are easy targets to make fun of, Barry never forgot where he came from and did indeed take care of the folks in the getto as best he could.
His crimes had to do with smoking crack cocaine and running with hookers....never any corruption or crime of him lining his own pocket with public money.
It's a shame we have to choose: democrats who party too much or republicans who steal everything not bolted down.
Marion Barry made Bill Clinton look like Jimmy Carter.
Lightning struck the Basilica in St Peters Sq the Vatican is in disarae, Red Algie is killing the sea life in the Atlantic, Locust have invaded Egypt and fire balls from the heavens have destroid a village in Russia, in the form of meatorites, a comet just happens buy that marks the end, earth has had 3 narrow escapes from space rocks the size of a football stadium or near that in the past week, and a weird disease is coming out of the ME not to mention all the new diseases coming out of Africa, the Pope quit his job and, Florida predicts a infestation of the nastiest giant mosquitos in history is our media doing their job? do they have everyones attention are they getting the dollar stay tunned. there is more, to be continued!!!
Not possible, guns are illegal in DC.
Yes, this news story must be a mistake - they have strict gun control laws!
Now let's ban silencers and clips, and take guns away from law - abiding citizens in other states!
Guns aren't illegal in DC.
@Emerald Hernandez: Guns aren't illegal in DC.
...since the Supreme Court ended 33 years of anti-legal gun ownership lunacy with District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008.
Now they're just VERY regulated.
Clips? Must be a noob...Try magazines instead.
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Inspired - far from it, but - - - - -
Clips is just so much scarier of a word!
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Touche', Pete...LOL!
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Sounds like DC, a city that along with battleground Chicago has the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, simply needs more of them. They seem to be working so well.
Oh, wait, for some reason criminals don't seem to obey laws.
Actually DC had it's lowest number of homicides in 52 years last year with 88.
And to date this year it is lower than last year.
Actually DC had it's lowest number of homicides in 52 years last year with 88.
And to date this year it is lower than last year.
...amazing what happens when citizens can legally protect themselves, isn't it?
I see that the Left-Wing Liberal Anti-Gun Nutjobs are avoiding this story... probably too busy discussing the Good Health attributes of an Obammy Kool-Aid enema.
They're not up yet.
@ moderate, They don't have to get their welfare checks from the mail until later this afternoon, so they are sleeping in still. Just wait its coming.
sorry,
this Left wing Liberal has been at work for two hours now, just taking a break. Looks to me like the right wing has nothing better to do than post stupid crap
Lori,
Surely you have better attributes then that. Some people like to brag but damn girl, find something GOOD to brag about.
What, belief that the constitution gives equal rights to all, that a country is judged by how it treats the poorest of it's citizens, that if you give corporations free reign, they're run everyone over?..... Damn proud to be a Liberal
Lori, it's more like the "liberal" beliefs that no one has freedom of speech but "liberals", no one has the right of free association, "liberals" are the only ones smart enough to decide who to hate, and if a "liberal" doesn't agree with a constitutionally recognized unalienable right, they want to repeal the amendment that recognizes that right. ALL of these points have been voiced on this forum by self-entitled "liberals."
I hate using the terms "conservative" and "liberal," but that is how you guys choose to describe yourselves. Personally, I reserve the right to make up my own mind and disagree with anyone, at any time. I don't blindly follow anyone's agenda but my own, unlike "liberals" and "conservatives."
Damn proud to be independent.
This is exactly what happens when you let dimwhitcrats have gun permits!
Lori W-277522-
Tell me how proud you will be when you get furloughed and take a 20% paycut...I am a conservative and I have been at work since 0600hrs. What's your excuse for coming in two hours late?
>:-\
@ Pat G
who said the suspects in the case above had their CCW lisence? i'll give you 10 to 1 that the suspects that did the shooting, not only acquired their firearms illegally, that they are also criminals as well.
also, FYI, in most states you don't have to have a permit to own a gun
Tragic... Does anybody know where this really happened? Guns are illegal in Washington so it couldn't have been there. Unless Mark Kelly was trying out his new AR-15.
LOL!!! Yes, the latest Champion of Ban got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Typical lib elite, "The laws that I support don't necessarily apply toe me." attitude. Sounds like he is actually a big fan of 30 rd magazines. Such a hypocrite.
Or possibly the ruling class sending their armed guards out for a night of target practice?
Wonder if the shots were heard in the White House over the din of again another celebrity Party. If so, I am sure the Obammys' are quite familiar with that "sound of Sweet Home, Chicago".
say...this wasn't a bunch of blacks shooting and being shot was it?.....the article didn't mention the details......
No mention of race = BLACKS
What a waste of ammo..many better targets in DC.
I blame Feinstein. And I don't think she meant to do it; I think her stupidly poor gun handling technique had something to do with it. She was probably just showing which gun to ban next.
And this proves its dangerous...right?
Hmm sounds like they took a wrong turn. Should have drove down Capitol Hill!
Or K street
Were the shooters in police uniforms?
Wrong city, that's NYC.
This happens on a daily basis in DC. Why is this news?
"older blue BMW"
Sounds like a former 1%er getting back at a group of 47%ers for bringing him down. Damn you Bush!
Didn't the shooter(s) see the "gun free zone" signs?
People in DC can't have guns, they have laws against that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Older BMW ? Car probably worth $2,000.00 but it had $4,000.00 worth of wheels & tires on it. With remnant's of an Obama sticker on the back bumper?
forward was pasted over the hope and change one.
LOVE!
32 markers and 12 injured. Seems like the shooter(s) have bad aim and thank god since it doesn't sound like any fatalities.
It's actually a lot harder to aim correctly when you hold your pistol sideways, way up over your head while using your non-shooting hand to hold up your pants.
Uhfortunately only injuries- they are getting free treatment even as we speak. We will get to pay for that treatment as no one in that neighborhood works or would be out at 2:30 am. fatalities would have been a big savings.
Now if everyone in the crowd had a gun, this would have never happened!
OR at least more to the point, they would have had a chance to return fire, either killing the assailant or at least marking the car by perforating it; making it easier for law enforcement to find it...
Looks like the sequester debate is being carried t the streets and Pelosi still can't shoot straight.
I heard that Biden shot a hole in his bedroom door right after it happened...
No his wife did, with a 12ga shotgun. They are still peeling her out of the drywall.
I expect an update that 4 or 5 unregistered handguns were found in the trash can next to the bus enclosure.
Obviously a fake story since guns are not allowed outside the home in D.C.
Yes, if only those 11 people had had their own guns! They could have all fired back and everything would have been fine, rather than total chaos . . . and I'm sure MUCH MORE than such 11 victims!
They would have also shot the shooter that started it, so yes the count would have been higher.
in the DC news they said it wasn't entirely clear, but shots might have been returned from the crowd
Dudes using sissy boy guns. Get a Man gun ! 357 Mag.
Few seem to ask the serious question: HOW do people get illegal guns? Two possible ways are straw purchases and theft. If straw purchases were outlawed, one source of guns would dry up. If "responsible" gun owners secured their weapons or were responsible for crimes committed by unsecured guns, another source would dry up. Sure, criminals may not follow the law, but if they can't get guns, fewer shootings will inevitably follow.
Your ignorance is galactic in scale! You actually don't know how people get illegal guns? What color is the sky on your planet today? Your cockamamie scheme to hold gun owners responsible for crimes committed with guns stolen from them is a fascist wet dream. The criminals already have plenty of guns, so why would they need to get more? Fewer shootings will inevitably follow? Spoken like a true ignoramus!
Maybe from Eric Holder, they were arming the Mexican gangs, so why not the American gangs? Two weeks before Christmas, 100 AK-47 type rifles were stolen from a CSX Freight Car in Atlanta which was supposedly under Video Surveillance. Not one of those rifles has been located. That means 100 Atlanta gangsters are fully armed..The ever incompetent ATF is heading up the Investigation..So did Obama and Eric give the guns to the Atlanta gangsters..Makes you wonder...back in the days of Mao, Lenin the Soviet upheaval, Lenin used the Moscow Criminal Gangs to help with his overthrow and they were basically his "hit team" since most had killed people before, he used them to execute the citizens who spoke out freely, the intellectuals and his competition...From there they became the KGB...Mao and Hitler did the same as did Mussolini. They executed millions of people to create their Dictatorships..
When you use the term "Responsible" it is obvious you have no idea of what your are talking about and have been sucking up the propaganda. It would be stupid to acquire a firearm for home protection and lock it up in a Safe making it unavailable..Go ahead try it yourself. buy one of those small safes, or better yet, use any kind of box, a shoe box for instance, tape it shut on both ends, but before you tape it put the pretend pistol in it, say a pair of twisted pink panties. I know you must only have a "pretend" one because of your statement. Then put it in a place where you think it should be stored because your Responsible! Next have one of your family or friends "pretend" to kick in your front door, which is called a Home Invasion Robbery. Your part of the game is to make it from your living room to where your Pistol is responsibly locked up, unlock it and then protect yourself from the Intruder..Guess what?? Your Dead.. Try as many scenarios as you want..You will die with each one...
This type of robbery is the favorite type now in Australia and England and in New Zealand, where the gangs break through your front door and beat you to death in your own living room and rob your house, rape your wife and daughter and then leave as if nothing happened..And nobody, no Cop, no ADT Security System, nobody will hear what happens and nobody will be able to save you. These attacks happen in the heart of Sydney and London. Call your Police and ask them the average response time to a 911 call..If they tell you 5 minutes their lying..The average response time in the United States is 20 minutes.. The average time a criminal spends in your house is 8 minutes..so do the math, Ok I'll do it for you,,20 minus 8 equals 12 minutes...Your Dead...Oh, I should mention, I am sort of expert on this, I retired after 25 years in Law Enforcement....Your security system say through ADT adds on another 6 to 8 minutes while they check to see if it is a system failure and then they dial 911 like any one else they have no "secret" number they call so your dead...
Fran, if all else fails they can probably get a good deal on some of those guns obama gave to the mexican drug cartels. i hear they are motivated to sell, sell, sell. free vial of crack with every purchase.
disarm yourself if you want, you have the constitutional right to be the best little helpless victim you can be.
go ahead, put a sign in your yard proclaiming to the world that you are unarmed and defenseless. i dare you... don't just talk on the internet, do it.
by the way, my guns are secured. 11 dogs worth of secured. a thief would be incredibly lucky to only get shot.
@ Fran
I'll let you in on a secret, straw purchases are already illegal! Shhh, don't tell anyone.
That's right Fran, all of the guns are made & reside just in the United States. There couldn't possibly be guns that are manufactured in other parts of the world, which then get smuggled into the U.S., right?
By the way, how was your ride to work today on your unicorn (that is if you have a job)? Did you stop along the way to say hi to your cousin, you know the leprechaun who lives at the end of the rainbow & owns that big pot gold?
You can't be serious. Drying up the sources of guns is like drying up the sources of drugs. Its not going to happen regardless of what laws get passed.
Yes, let's do make straw purchases illegal.
Don't you love the slogan-spouters who have absolutely no clue? (Loopholes and strawmen and guns - OH MY!)
the majority of my firearms stay locked up in either one of my gun safes that are bolted to the slab in my basement. my EDC firearms go into a biometric pistol safe that's on the bottom shelf of my night stand every night, as do my wife's. you can be vigilant and safe and keep you firearms locked up at the same time.
Fran, as you have already been informed, straw purchases are illegal.
Where do criminals get firearms? They buy them from other criminals who have obtained them a) illegally or b) brought them into the country illegally and c) yes, some are stolen from legitimate gun owners.
And for the people on the site that continue to spout the rubbish that 40% of the guns sold at gun shows have no background check, attend a gunshow and see what guns are being sold by private owners. It will in no way approach the 40% level. But I guess it is easier to spout the party rhetoric than to actually research the issue yourself.
from a DOJ memo that was leaked they attribute that only about 13% of firearms that are obtained by criminals are from gun shows/flea markets. i'd say that's way lower than the 40% some of these folks keep spouting