I'm sick and tired of being afraid to offend china ! f@%$ china they steal our technologies and our jobs, NO MORE, we need to get tough now be for its too late !

It's about 10 years too late. We need them now.

Chinese economy relies mostly on the United States. They'll wiggle outta this for awhile, ultimately though, they'll get right back at it. They must have both our economic and military technology, and eventually they're likely to get it. Wall Street will see to it.

Lets see what happens when China says I would like my $$$$$ now..... Even America is not so big that it cannot declare BANKRUPTCY.....

OHGuy#1.5: We would pay 'em then cut off their exports into this country. Soon China would have no economy. Really needs to happen, but China isn't quite that stupid.

China has long considered all other cultures as "barbarian" and treat them as lower forms of life. Even when technological and economic realities have been present, the attitude is still there. China will never recognize another nation's interests with anything like an objective acceptance of international law if there is a chance that they can "get away with" some kind of subterfuge or espionage effort. When many of these American companies signed production agreements with Chinese manufacturers there were stipulations that technologies involved were owned by the American companies and not to be transferred elsewhere (like Chinese military applications). Really?? And our companies actually expected this to be honored??? No wonder the Chinese consider Westerners to be naive. They have seen that they can flout agreements and international law at will and will continue to do so until it is not in their interest to do so!! Do we have the guts to face this realty and take the steps to make this unprofitable to the Chinese?? Not as long as our corporations are in charge of the US/China relationship.

So many pundits point to China's rise to become the world's largest economy as inevitable. It will happen if we continue to do nothing and "blame Washington" for everything. China is not a democracy. Chinese leaders have a history of abusing their citizens when their power is threatened. It is no surprise that China's leaders continue to lie about these cyber attacks. They will do so until they wreck our economy. Here is my formula on how the US remains ahead of autocratic China:

Americans must compel lawmakers to stop partisan, destructive and short-sited fighting and to take honest and heroic measures to cut the deficit.

Americans must rally to support measures to improve the economy and agree on shared sacrifice to save the middle class.

America must launch a domestic Marshall Plan to rebuild highways, bridges and railroads, and develop an alternative to oil. (If there isn't is a top secret Manhattan project somewhere...there should be!)

America must stop squandering our resources on stupid wars in countries that hate us. Spending $1.5 Trillion and losing 5,000 US lives in Iraq was sheer madness. Keep only essential US bases abroad.

Super PACs and lobbyists hurt both Republicans and Democrats. Ban Them. Put corrupt CEOs, who rob their companies of millions, and corrupt union bosses on trial

We must persuade US industries to divest from China, and to invest in Mexico which shares our border and has a large labor force. It would be better to have Mexico make all the stuff we want. Besides, Mexico for all of its faults is a democracy. China is not.

We must improve public education (for real, instead of just talking about it.) Hold teachers, kids and parents accountable. Extend the school year...and create new science and math requirements. It won't kill our kids if they have to learn a foreign language.

Double, even triple NASA's budget and let's start exploring space again. It would create new demand for scientists and engineers. It's crazy that astronauts have to hitch a ride with the Russians, because we can't launch our own rockets.

We have time to turn things around. Our political class is weak and lacks backbone. We must demand more of our leaders...and of our ourselves.

@Motz in KC #1.8: Very well put. I totally agree. Best regards

Thank you.

After that post, I submitted a White House petition to divest from China. It's much short than my post. Please take the time to read it:< http://wh.gov/Aodp >and sign if you agree. It needs 150 signatures for it to be viewed.

Why do we give preferential trade with the criminals running the PRC? Oh that's right, many of our business leaders have sold out our country for economic gain.

Lets see what happens when China says I would like my $$$$$ now..... Even America is not so big that it cannot declare BANKRUPTCY.....

That's not how it works. They bought up our debt through U.S. treasury bonds. It's a lot like buying stock. If we go broke they lose, if our economy grows they win because we pay them back with interest. They are betting we will pay off, not they are buying up our debt so they own us.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said cybersecurity will be one of the priorities the president addresses with congressional leaders when he visits Capitol Hill this week.

One thing which will NOT be mentioned during "the president['s] addresses with congressional leaders" will be the use of the 1,500,000 Sqft $ 1,400,000,000 NSA CyberSecurity Data Center in Utah.

Yeah, right....it will be used to combat Cyber Attacks.......

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Motz in KC....

Your points are exactly why America is in deep kemchi.....SPENDING. All are reguritated Progressive talking points, however the first point is well taken.....CUT THE DAD GUM DEFICIT.

Motz, that is the smartest post I have read in a while. We need to invest in ourselves and our infrastructure. We can do that, while spending less and easing tax burdens. If you look at our budgets, the DOD, pensions, and welfare are in the top 5. A little reform is in action and that would help free up money for proper infrastructure projects.

USA: "We're gonna do something big if you keep messin' with us!"

China: "Go ahead. Make my day."

Motz in KC----in a perfect world. What I absolutely fail to understand regarding said cyberattacks and pirating information is the sheer stupidity displayed in making this information accessible over the internet. Any CEO, tech department, cybercrime fighter worth his salt knows the way to prevent access is to centralize all private industrial secrets and NOT MAKE IT AVAILABLE to outside sources electronically and keep the information turned internally. Internal computer systems WITHOUT OUTSIDE ACCESS. What in blazes would be so hard about that. Machines with outside access would only be used to transmit or make available information without such dire importance. Industrial secrets would be protected internally.

It would not take a rocket scientist to realize that any "private, industrial secrets" made available to outside sources, unfortunately, especially Asian, is free for all, agreements to the contrary or not. When will those dolts learn that?? They are dealing with a society that will use anything it gets its hands on to improve itself to the detriment of the provider of information. Some years ago, confidentiality agreements were forged for a piece of equipment that was developed and patented in the USA. The agreements were with one of our allies, which shall remain unnamed. A man who was acquainted with the developer, but not acquainted with the purchaser of the plans, visited that nation on other business and went to a well-known businessmen's restaurant. There, in the corner, was a table full of men, six of which were from Asian competitors of the developer. Stretched along the table were the plans for the equipment for which the agreements were forged here in the USA. They were available to each of the companies that competed with our U.S. company. There can be no trust given or taken when it comes to our American developments. Simply put, ya don't give someone the key to the city if you don't want him to live there!!!

Why is news now? They have been stealing and buying our technologies, patents, and returning garbage products for years, and the best part is we are indebted to them!! I wonder if all of this should affect our "relationship" with China? As far as I can tell it seems to be fair and balanced. I feel like our political and coporate leaders have their thumb on the pulse of this "relationship" so no worries.

@Dan Kamp#1.14: You too are reasonable and correct. "Ido" above doesn't know His/Her ass from a wad of bubblegum. These republicans are all to hell over a debt they created and are laying it on this President. Our debt problem is the direct result of too much wealth in the coffers of too few, and too little wealth held by way too many. Creates one hell of an imbalance in our currency, therefore the imbalance is reflected in our national revenue relative to our GDP. The only correction that can be affected is by the government investing in this nation. Infrastructure is indeed the way to do it. Strengthens our national wealth while providing wealth for the unemployed, and additionally primes the private enterprise pump as well. Consider this as well. Our debt total is roughly some 16 trillion dollars to our GDP, which generally runs right now, at around some 15 trillion dollars per year. While that's not really good, it surely isn't that bad either. We surely do not have, nor, are we close to any sort of a fiscal crisis. When one considers the true worth of the US holdings, the holdings of It's people, the potential productivity of It's people, Its economic and military power, etc., what is the actual worth of the US relative to those things the people of the world value? That debt equates to about 1 gallon of water taken from the worlds oceans. The republicans who spout this bullsh^t are both ignoramuses, and gwaddamn liars. The people need to vote 'em all outta office. Regards

An American corporation at it best, sold out to the Chinese lock stock and barrel with YOUR money.

View and it will make you sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo

Look what you American company has done with your money in China.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo

You are going to love this

Cybersecurity threatens US-China relationship, White House official says

really? I couldn't care less. Oink.

Why don't they send some system-blowing VIRUS back as "top secrets" that will execute as soon as they are received and spread to all connected Chinese systems that it identifies in country. That should teach them to be careful where they nose around...

First, the traitors in Washington DC gave China the most privileged nation trade status, now they are pouting because China continues to be what it always was: an enemy and big competitor of US. I say lets try our politicians who gave China that status for TREASON.

Pigotry (#1.21)

Cybersecurity threatens US-China relationship, White House official says

really? I couldn't care less. Oink.

I mean, to me a pig, it's irrelevant. Don't play fiddle to a pig. Don't see an issue, don't understand this issue, and don't care. I am only interested in what is going on here. I am just a pig, don't give me trouble about this complexities of the world. I miss the good old simpler days.

Please go back to posts 1.8 by Motz and review it. In post 1.10, Motz says:

After that post, I submitted a White House petition to divest from China. It's much short than my post. Please take the time to read it:< http://wh.gov/Aodp >and sign if you agree. It needs 150 signatures for it to be viewed.

As of a few minutes ago, there were only 9 signatures--a minimum of 141 more signatures are required to get it viewed. Please sign--it looks like a very important petition. Yes, it was a bit annoying to have to sign up and get an e-mail back to verify that I am the owner of that e-mail address. Still, I think it is worth it. So please, SIGN IT!

The 40 year exodus of manufacturing is a national security threat, but Wall Street doesn't care about that.

For Blue N Gold: I am with you. Have you ever seen such a bunch of unproductive officials in your life?

Yup: All the right wing Teabaggers and GOP all for the Corps and screw the middle class..Its all about GREED

Maze, we do NOT have a monopoly on greed!!! How many European companies buy up businesses here in the U.S., keep them open for a couple of years, siphon off the products that made money, moving them out of the area or out of the country, then close the plant down----permanently. Their usual gripe is union wages. However, what do they do? They move the product to their European plant where their workers wages are subject to EU rules, they get ridiculous vacations,personal time off, short work weeks, etc., the net cost of which is often much more than our workers' union wages. And you can be sure they dont work as hard. Frankly, one of the only countries whose word is gold, which has invested heavily here, and which makes a steadfast commitment to continue operating businesses in the U.S.A., and DOES SO, is Canada. Japan, too, in the last perhaps 30 years, has invested heavily on our continent and has employed thousands here. These are the relationships we should nurture. But this is just my opinion.

@Ovais Shabbir #5: We would lose.

Yep. And that's not funny. It's scary.

One problem with this line of thought is that many of the most talented American "hackers" are independent self-taught "nerds". There is a limited supply available of top notch talent with which we can pursue an all out effort - even in cyberwar. The sad shape of our educational system is not going to allow us to rapidly train a usable number of "cyberwarriors" any time soon. Maybe its about time we reverse the trend of cutting funds to schools. Over the last decade everything from K through 12, junior colleges, four year universities and post-graduate studies has seen serious reductions in funding. And the "party of NO" has led the charge. A narrow look at the "bottom line" has resulted in educational deficiencies that impact nearly every aspect of this country's abilities.

The beauty about computer is that once information enters and saved it cannot be erased.

Somebody has never experienced a disk crash. The information stored in a computer most assuredly can be erased--it is quite remarkably fragile and elaborate procedures are needed to safeguard it.

Computer cannot be made to lie nor be bribed.

Somebody has never ordered something that the computer showed as being "in stock" only to find out that it was on indefinite backorder. A computer can be made to do whatever the programmer tells it to do. If he wants it to lie it lies. If he wants it to accept a bribe it accepts a bribe.

I am sorry to tell you that we did not "save their asses in WWII"!!! We backed the Chinese Nationalists and Chiang Kia-Shek in the civil war that mostly ended in 1949 with Chiang and his army withdrawing to the island of Taiwan. Mainland China claims Taiwan as a "break-away" province and has declared a ceaseless effort to "reunite" the island with the rest of the country. One of the conditions Nixon met when he sought to improve relations with Red China was to stop recognizing Taiwan as an independent country. The Communist government of mainland Chine may well feel that they have much to be repay us for, and not in a good way.

@ULDog#6.1: "almighty god" was speaking about WW11, not their civil war, and "almighty god" is correct. Even Chiang and Mao suspended their civil war and united with the US to drive the japanese out of China during that war. Had we not whipped Japan, it's likely China would have became a colony of Japan. They were really piss poor and had very little with which to fight.

That's not entirely factual Dog. The Imperial Japanese Army was butchering tens of thousands of mainland Chinese prior to our official commitment to the war in the Pacific. General Chenault's Flying Tigers did put quite a dent in Japanese operations with American volunteers.

A. G.'s thoughts are correct in that the fact of the matter is that American Corporate influence through American Trade policy led DIRECTLY to China's rise through 40 years of one sided trade. WE fed the Chinese the Capital to allow them to get to the place they are today. Your American corporations have had more to say about the direction this country has traveled in the last 40 years than you or I or the 300 million other American citizens. It's Corporate INFLUENCE which drives U.S. Foreign Policy through sweetheart Trade Deals with our 'friends' the devils. Now these whiners want something done about the "Frankenstein" THEY built.

@Where's Waldo #6.3: You are absolutely correct. Thanks and regards.

Mac & Waldo- During WWII, the U.S. aid sent to Chine went to Chiang Kia-shek and his Nationalist armies.The communist forces were supplied largely by the Soviets, even before the war. Waldo mentions the Flying Tigers as as example, and when you see a photo of one of their P-40 fighters, the emblem on the aircraft is the one for Nationalist China. Chennault himself was personally quite close to Chiang and at at one time prior to the US's entry commanded the Nationalist Chinese air force.

And while the Chinese communists had agreed to a truce with Chiang to fight the Japanese, their effort was mainly in Northern China and conducted separately from the Nationalist campaigns. In locations where their areas of operations bordered or overlapped, they would also attack Nationalist troops if they could get away with it

@ULDog#6.5: Yes, this did indeed happen. My contention though, is; without our help, lend lease, etc. and MacArthur's great Pacific endeavors, the US Navy's magnificent killing of the Japanese naval and air fleets in the Pacific, the Japanese would have killed China, almost really at will. Japanese continually had to keep pulling their forces out of China to replinish those men and assets against the US in the Pacific. Had we not been able to do what we did, it is relatively certain China would today be a Japanese colony. Really enjoy your knowledge of history. Regards

Mac - By that line of thought every country on the Pacific rim is in our debt, and maybe so. The point that I am expressing is that the current government of mainland China has no reason to feel that they owe us anything. They do not think that we destroyed Japan for any reason other than our own causes. The fact that they benefited from Japan's defeat is incidental. What they do remember is our active support for Chiang Kai-shek against them. Taiwan, and our support for Taiwan, has been a major issue with them since 1949.

@ULDog#6.7: I concede your point. I do though, know some Chinese who do acknowledge our help in running the Japanese out of their country back then. In your 1st post I thought you meant we played no part in diminishing China's Japanese threat back then. That's a major drawback with communicating via computer poster board. Often We argue when we agree. Remember when we didn't call it Taiwan? It used to always be called Formosa. Best regards

@ULDog: Additionally I must add here. China going to Communist Mao, and the Formosa out for Chiang Kai Shek was decided by Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin at the Yalta conference in 1945. It's the reason we did not intervene. Many things we are playing either for or against today that were decided contrarily at that conference by those 3 Men. Again, regards

Mac - I do agree that if we had not declared war on Japan that China would have suffered greatly. Even with our aid The Nationalists scored few victories and overall the war in China was at a virtual stalemate right to the very end. The Nationalists showed an amazing ability for infighting and military ineptitude. The Communists were only aggressive against the Japanese when factors were overwhelmingly in their favor and used the truce to stockpile arms, train and build strength to eventually take on Chiang. Not many people examine our history with China and they wonder why we are not greeted with open arms. After all, we are the good guys - right? Taiwan has always been a steadfast ally in the region, at least there is an acknowledgment of our support. It is sad though that our government seems to operate from crisis to crisis with little thought given to long term consequences. I guess that is the cross we carry as a capitalist democracy. SKOL!!

@ULDog#6.10: Agree. Very interesting talking with you. Will watch for you. Again, I appreciate your knowledge and gentlemanly expressiveness. Best regards

sowhy----Bingo!!! I have been raving about that for years. INTERNAL computer systems isolated from the internet where all industrial secrets are kept separated from outside access. When there was a news flash a while back that our GOVERNMENT'S info was hacked, I wrote my Senators and told them to pull the plug on the internet and that would fix the problem. Duhhhh.

ProFreedom, wake up and smell the blasted coffee, would ya??? This administration? You think it all started now? Good grief man. Govt info was hacked under BUSH. Did he do anything? Huh?? The VA is a government administrated entity. Medical records of soldiers were hacked & pirated. Did he address that, huh? Any potential legislation come out of his mouth to protect our soldiers, huh? Cheez. Raiding records thru technology is not an administration-specific event. It is the nature of the beast - the free web--and any creepo who, rather than using his skills for the common good--wants to make money

Tar: You say:

We will go down in history as the most Greedy and stupid people that ever lived on this planet.

Does your family know you're talking about them behind their backs?

A tidy theory except for the part about the consumers lusting over the shoddy garbage from Asia. The Wall Streeters aren't buying the stuff - we have met the enemy and it is us.

@Bob in LG#16.1: Wall street invests in those doing business in China. In fact, if those businesses want investment funds they will only get 'em from wall street if they operate out of China. Thought all Americans already knew that.