Don't forget apparently lying to your parents about spending the night at your best friend's house but going to a party instead, plus apparently staying the night at that party instead of calling your parents to come get you, plus apparently stealing an SUV to get home the next morning. Lots of bad choices indeed. Very, very sad; condolences to all the families.

this will be interesting; did the owner leave his keys in the SUV; only professionals know how to jump start a modern auto, there are several theft protection systems in all modern autos.

@CatChick74

There's a difference between a bad decision and a handful of idiotic/life-threatening ones. You want to fill your SUV with people past the legal occupancy? Bad decision, yeah. But deciding to speed down the road when you know you have too many people in the SUV? Idiotic/life-threatening decision. That's compounded further with the fact that the five people who were in proper seats weren't wearing their seat belts. Last time I checked, there's a reason why there are laws for seat belt use. There's a reason why driving testers say to put on your seat belt before starting the car. There's a reason why parents always make sure their kids are buckled in.

I'm fine with making a bad decision, but there were so many made in this situation it's ridiculous.

Bad decisions happen to everyone everyday, but when you compound so many at one time it you are bound to lose.

Eight kids in a stolen car? Did they all know it was stolen? I wonder how many others, if any declined?

When I was growing up. My dad was a strict army officer. When ever I had a run in with police. I would say to them them that I was not afraid of the police but I was afraid that if they told my dad. He would beat me to a pulp.

So when it came to making bad choices. I always thought about the consequences of getting caught and being nearly beaten half to death. I would have never have gotten into a car that I knew was stolen.

Because people who steal cars aren't very bright and only bad things happen. RIP

It's one thing to make a bad choice, but stealing a car is not just a bad choice...it's ILLEGAL!!! Everything these kids did that night were "bad choices", but so many of them were just trouble waiting to happen. My deepest sympathies to the families...I couldn't imagine ever losing a child...especially to some idiotic choice these kids made.

That sounds like one hell of a joy ride if the SUV was really stolen. Bad karma galore...

Kids being kids got kids killed and I don't know how you prevent that. This is just a terrible tragedy and pointing fingers at a bunch of teenagers isn't going to make it better. This is why teenagers have no business ever being tried in adult courts because they do things that as adults they would never do. I did some pretty stupid things as a teenager, including riding around in a stolen car, that I have no idea today why I did it and would never do now as a grown woman. The teenage brain is not equipped to always make the right decision, plus there is always peer pressure at play, and that is why they are treated as children until the age of 18. Unless they commit a felony, then they get the privilege of being treated like adults when that is the last thing that should happen.

CatChick74

Yes, because noonelse has ever made a bad decision. Right?

Do the words non sequitur mean anything to you? Everyone makes bad decisions. Some are fatal, others are not.

carryingstupid,

Hey troll! Where did it say anything about blacks? You racist ignorant pig. What a mean spirited dipsh!t!

The SUV was stolen. They're all criminals .

The ones that survived should go straight to jail.

They're no heros. They all stole that SUV.

@Johndi -- Riiight, because having 6 of your friends dead and living with that for the rest of your life isn't enough punishment. So tired of people saying Jail! Jail! Jail! to everything these days. They're just kids, of course this deserves some kind of recourse -- their lives are already torn. Best thing they can do going forward is to try and stop this from happening to others.

Steamie, down boy. I live in OH not far from this incident. The pictures in the local paper were all black people. So, no one is race baiting.

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There are many unswered questions here. I myself was wondering if there is any relationship between Alexis Cayson's best friend Precious Stephenson, and the owner of the SUV, Marquis Stephenson. Just wondering.

Where were the parents??? Being lied to

Pretty much every kid did something in their life that they were not proud of. Of course most of us survived our stupidity. It is just that because so many got killed at one time, it made national news. If it had of been 6 stolen cars across the country and six teenagers were killed in them none would have made national news. We receintly had a teenager killed in a car accident and it made the local news but not national. While there is still a tribute at the scene for this child today, nobody seems to notice he is gone. Other than his family and friends of course. This is not the way to get your 15 minutes of fame.

Eileen, the rest of us who are just reading the article don't know the area and haven't seen the pictures. Upon reading Carryingconcealed's comment, yes, it appears to be race-baiting at its finest, so Steamie's remark isn't as off base as people would like to think.

However, Carryingconcealed's comment about how blacks memorialize their fallen friends was completely unnecessary, especially when that happens with all races. Most people tend to want to remember and memorialize their friends and family when they die under tragic circumstances, even in cases of nearly pure stupidity. His assumption that Steamie was black based on a "glaring lack of intelligence" (which, by the way, I do not see in Steamie's post - just outrage at the face value of the post to which he responded) and other factors does not necessarily help his case about Carryingconcealed's post not being racially charged in any way.

My question to Carryingconcealed is this: Is being black synonymous with being stupid and lacking intelligence in your eyes? That's what you seem to say in your post.

Something seems fishy here. Who waits over 24 hours to report their car stolen?

What would have been the point of the teens stealing the car if they already gave their parents the sleepover story?

Something tells me Mr Stephenson knew them and that is how they got the car. Could the party have been at his house? Were there drugs and alcohol there? He might have filed the report if he were trying to cover up the fact that they were all partying at his place. He would be charged with corruption of a minor and be liable for the deaths.

carrystupid,

I only disagree with idiot trolls. When anybody comes in with imflammatory bullsh!t, just to get a reaction is either ignorant or retarded. Or in your case just stupid. So they are black. Whatever. What the hell does Travyon have to do with this? You dumb ass racist.

RW SC, thanks.

The owner, identified by the Ohio State Patrol as Marquis Stephenson, filed a theft report on the SUV on Monday afternoon. Police said that none of the teens was related to him or had asked to use it. It was not clear how the teens got the vehicle.

pretty clear from here, they stole it, regaurdless if the keys were left in it or not, the STOLE IT! he was most likely being questioned by police after realizing it was stolen, called it in, and after work reported it? some people cant afford to miss a days work even if their car was stolen, it still gets most people a point against them.

CatChick74

Yes, because noonelse has ever made a bad decision. Right?

a bad... what? that's a criminal act, not a bad choice in judgment! they got drunk, and took a guys SUV on a joyride! clear and cut if I ever heard it.... why make it seem like something anyone would just up and do, out of poor choice, like they don't know any better?

The SUV that sped off a two-lane road in Ohio and flipped into a pond over the weekend, killing six of the eight teenagers crammed inside, has been reported stolen by its owner.

that is called "joy riding", for the too good to know better... it is a crime, in every state in this nation... for those too good to know any better. you might want to point this out to your kids, who also may be too good to know any better!

Five boys and a young woman, ages 14 to 19, were killed. The father of one of the dead said the teens were coming home from a sleepover at a friend's house, but the mother of another boy killed said that her son and his best friend had lied about staying over at each other’s homes that evening. She told The Associated Press that she thinks they went to a party.“If only he had listened,” said Lisa Williamson, mother of 14-year-old Brandon Murray. “I told him, ‘Don’t you go nowhere.’ But they’re kids.”

yup just kids... dead kids.. and because not one parent in the bunch had the common sense (that's smarts) to call parents who hosted the party? 14 yrs old on up... all involved in grand theft, and criminal damage... bad choices? how about BAD PARENTS RAISING KIDS? (pi$$ poor parents in my book however, need to keep it liberal friendly?)

you have kids, its YOUR RESPONSILITY to check on them, because yes they do have the ability to LIE when they want something the parent will not allow, duh! they will steal, when you do not teach them the value of working for your haves, and have nots... not to allow them to steal, and chalk it up as a bad choice.

Carryingconcealed

Oh come on, steamie, is everyone you disagree with a troll? And by the way, judging by the glaring lack of intellect in your post, I can only assume you're black as well. If not, do yourself a favor and get hooked on phonics before you embarrass yourself further, tool!

You think you could maybe loan him your copy? Or are you not ready to let go of your illiterate, racist, redneck stereotype just yet?

Cause the GOP wanted me to let you know that they are no longer accepting applications for "that type" of Republican anymore. Especially closeted, self-loathing, unicorn obsessed butt pirates like yourself. Even Akin said he's sick of you bringing us down and costing us elections with your insane hillbilly rants.

And I am serious when i say please stop with the unicorn references. We don't need to know what flaming sex toys you have in your home.

This was a mixed group of kids--black and white...as if this makes a difference to anybody.

Kids do stupid things. Just like people such as carrying post stupid things. It happens more times than not.

Yes, because nooelse has ever made a bad decision. Right?

What rationale. Because others made bad decisions makes it okay for these 8 to make bad decisions. Others have undoubtedly made bad decisions but this group got to pay with their lives for their bad decision.

Some are trying to pass this off as "an accident". How does one "accedentally" steal a vehicle, "accidentally" not fasten seat belts, "accidentally" travel at highway speeds on a low speed road, "accidentally" stay out partying all night, "accidentally" lie to their parents, etc? Their actions were purposeful with anticipated and expected results.

Yes, because noonelse has ever made a bad decision. Right?

I make bad decisions all the time, but no one has ever died because of them. There's a difference between a bad decision and criminal negligence.

Just a bunch of liars and thieves.

Stealing someones car isn't a bad decision, it is a mean, hurtful, selfish and destructive thing that one person does to another. It doesn't mater how old they were, it was an absolutly terrible ting for them to do to another person.

Maybe they were playing the video game "Grand Theft Auto" at the party and wanted to act it out.

I agree that this was a snowball effect of bad choices, but why report the vehicle stolen so late? Do I sense a "Not My Fault" after-the-fact denial of lending a vehicle to these young people? I too question how they drove it without keys. Something stinks.

steamie, steamie, steamie...you couldn't possibly sound any angrier or more ignorant than you do. Here's a thought: try to articulate your thoughts, as rare as I'm sure they are, without using terms you pulled out of the gutter you apparently live in.

Lolly-pop - I want to respond to your nonsensical pablum, but I can't get past the irony of you attacking me for stereotyping, while at the same time generalizing that anyone who doesn't believe as you do is somehow a stereotyping, illiterate, racist, redneck.

Hypocrite much, sweetheart?

carryingstupid,

Clearly, you have major issues. You are retarded. You are a racist. You are an idiot. Probably a one toothed flapping in the breez redneck hick and as shallow as a rubber brick.

After seeing your other comments in other articles why is every comment you make is about how blacks should be wiped off the planet? You sound like you are the stupiest type of person ever. You are so ignorant that you must have a suck ass job too. Because white people like myself would never hire a narrow minded punk ass troll like you ... and by the way... speaking of being angry ... get over yourself numb nuts ... too funny, Obama is a two termer ... ha ha ha LOSER that's why your angry. Bitch!

Okay, steamie, I'm going to take a shot here . . .

You're in your late teens or very early twenties, if not black there's a negro in the woodpile somewhere, you graduated high school but barely, and you have a job you hate that pays you barely above minimum wage. The other thought is you may be a foreigner who incorrectly believes they have some grasp of the English language. Am I close? Never mind, you wouldn't admit it if I were.

Regarding your post, I don't normally criticize people for their inability to spell, punctuate or structure a sentence as that would be a full-time job, but I'm going to make an exception in your case simply because you make it so easy.

First, carryingstupid makes no sense whatsoever, but apparently neither do any of the random, partial thoughts that ricochet around your brain-housing group, so go figure.

Second, don't ever use the word "retarded" if you're trying to insult an adult as it just make you seem...well...retarded.

One-toothed should be hyphenated, flapping-in-the-breeze should be hyphenated given how you used it, and breeze has an "e" on the end. As for your use of shallow as a rubber brick, I have no idea what that is supposed to even mean, and neither do you. Metaphor fail! And I won't even get into the comma fail in that entire sentence, if you could actually call it that.

"...why is every comment you make is about how..." Do I even need to waste my time telling you that you sound like an imbecile here?

"You sound like you are the stupiest type of person ever." Stupiest person ever? Seriously? Stupiest? If your intention is to refer to someone as stupidest, you may want to actually spell it correctly, otherwise who actually ends up looking like they're the stupiest?

Suck-ass is hyphenated, as is narrow-minded, punk-ass and numb-nuts.

Should be a period after too funny, not a comma.

Two-termer is hyphenated.

And finally, "...that's why your angry." should actually be that's why you're angry.

So all-in-all I'd say that being insulted by someone with your obvious lack of intellect is not such a bad thing since it provides people with a crystal clear glimpse into the perforated mind of what's commonly referred to as a functional illiterate.

Now go away, little boy, before you bump your widdle head on a dangling participle.

Oh, and thank whatever god you pray to that there's such a thing as the Internet where diseased phuktards like you can sit behind your keyboard and call people every filthy name in the book, because if you said one-tenth of that garbage to my face, when you came to you'd have to rely on eye-witness testimony to understand what had just happened to you. Believe that.

Now go get hooked on Phonics...and no, I didn't say Ebonics.

Both are correct, but the former is typically used in news writing.

Then the "news writers" are wrong. No excuse for passive voice. Just another example of sloppy, lazy, careless (in)attention to detail.

Re the wreck: Glad to see that Darwin Wins Again. Works for me.

GM Scooter...

Yeah.... we were ALL stupid at that age. Invincible and immortal too!!!

Fortunately for me, I did have a little more smarts than some of the people I knew. After a dance at a local church, some of the guys decided it was too far to walk home, so they stole a car (Buick Wildcat to be exact). Long story short, while walking home with a couple of other friends, we came on the accident scene.

Police, fire, ambulance, the whole deal. All six guys in the car were dead.

The dad of my girlfriend at the time was the Commander of Motorcycle 3 of the NYPD Highway patrol. He told me they were being chased at the time and the car flipped doing about 110mph. Not much left of them when that happened. Six funerals with six closed caskets. So much for immortality.

My condolences to all the families that lost loved ones. Hopefully, very hopefully, this will be a real learning experience for all their friends.

We did crazy stuff too (40 years ago) but we were driving our parents cars (until worked enough to buy/fix up our own) and we DID wear our seatbelts. Tell kids not to do or to do something and most will make sure they do/don't do it (though we didn't have to be told not to take someone elses vehicle).

I doubt if you wore your seat belts 40 years ago

Opto...... "seat" belts were around 40-45 years ago.

Of course, most who had them didn't use them, but they were there for those who did.

XDm9mm, unfortunately, somebody having friend killed in an accident may be the only way to hammer home safe driving among teens. I had six friends killed during three years of high school. Believe me, I have never driven w/o a seat belt nor have I considered a car a "toy". I had a little dirt bike for that kind of stuff.

@Robert Duckworth

I decided a long time ago that two wheels are not my best friend!! Too many scars. And two incidents I should have been carried away from rather than walk away from.

Laid a bike over and slid under the trailer of a big truck that ran a red light. (The cop behind me had some very serious issues with that driver, and it definitely helped me on my insurance claim!!!)

And the guy that passed me on the left (good) and cut me off making a right turn in front of me (bad). I took his front right fender with my knee and slid across the street with the bike on top of me, hit the curb, landed on the sidewalk and looked up in time to see the bike coming back down on top of me... (isn't it amazing how one can remember every nanosecond of some ancient incident and forget when their anniversary is?)

But be safe whatever you do. Remember that those trees are still harder than you are when you're riding.

C.Y.O.A. comes to mind.

I was thinking the same thing.

Where does it say it was a 5 passenger SUV? Where does it say what kind of SUV it is? There are 8 passenger SUVs.

shooting babies in Chicago, rioting in Brooklyn, stealing cars and driving unlicensed and killing a group of underage kids in Ohio... Drive by in Vegas, Drive by in DC... please.. call me racist.

You idiot.

You idiot.

You forgot the "s". Those thugs were idiots. Fortunately they don't have to deal with their idiocy any longer - ecxcept for the two that survived.

shooting babies in Chicago, rioting in Brooklyn, stealing cars and driving unlicensed and killing a group of underage kids in Ohio... Drive by in Vegas, Drive by in DC... please.. call me racist.

Do you know where everything you own is when you're out at work? Or just getting up after working the night shift?

But, I'll give the benefit of the doubt. The police do have two survivors who might validate the theft.

Given that there is a chance that the owner never knew it was stolen until contacted by police? And once the owner was involved with the police the report may have not been filed simply because of how much was going on. Sometimes in a crisis the formalities are set aside and taken care of later in an effort to get done what needs done first. Paperwork is the least of their worries with six kids dead and a possible negligent SUV owner.

Maybe the owner was away, and didn't discover the theft till Monday? Who knows

Or maybe the owner of the vehicle is lying to avoid lawsuits..possible too.

I find it telling as to what kind of society that we've become when a post that gives the benefit of the doubt to the SUV owner (7.3) gets little in the way of votes but the cynical post (7.4) gets voted up at over 3 times the rate (2 to 7 at the time of my writing this).

Kind of pathetic when you think about it.

The owner of the SUV told the police this:

"The SUV's owner told state troopers that his sister lives with Cayson (the driver) and that she took the keys early Sunday morning while he was sleeping at their apartment."

That proves the owners sister knew the SUV was taken early Sunday morning..why didn't she wake up her brother to call police then, instead of waiting a day to report it stolen?

Sounds like the owners sister gave permission to BORROW it.

Sounds like the owners sister gave permission to BORROW it.

How does one give permission to borrow things that aren't theirs to lend? The legal system has a word for that - THEFT.

"You have my permission to BORROW any car off the local Chevy dealership since i Know one of the salesmen."

How does one give permission to borrow things that aren't theirs to lend?

In the case of two people living together, it's entirely possible that the sister had Cayson's permission, or at least an understanding.

After-the-fact reporting is a red flag to cops; they'll figure it, along with toxicology reports and any allged party - if so, who hosted or enabled it?; might be some adults involved in a criminally-liable way...trying to drag brush behind the pony...

Probably drunk.

70mph, were you there? Can you provide the proof that the police are lacking? Where were YOU during this accident? Were you one of the survivors? Is there something that you're hiding? Who IS the Spirit of America, really?

Its pretty easy to deduce speed by damages, were the car ends up, etc. There was undoubtedly significant speeding (even one who was in the car says so). They haven't said how much, but on such curves, the margins of safety between posted speed limit and dangerous speed is usually very high, so the speed was undoubtedly more than 50 mph. How much more, only the police knows.

The female driver had no valid license.

I cannot wait to hear the parents of these teens explain away the lack of proper parenting and the permissiveness that lead to this senseless event. What were these teenagers doing out at that time of day, in a stolen vehicle?

Mike you are the reason why I hate reading these comments. You are plain ignorant! But I guess that comes from your gene pool.

Kids will be kids. We all did stupid things when we were in our teens.

My deepest condolences to the parents and families of these young people lost.

Terry, they were out because their parents thought they were someplace they weren't. This has nothing to do with being a bad parent. Parents cannot be with their kids 24/7. It just doesn't happen.

Lack of proper parenting? Where do you get that from? There is not one person alive that has not at one time in their life told a lie, kids lie!

I am 48 years old and when I was in high school my parents would give me money to go to the high school football game, instead of going my friends and I would pool our money together and go buy beer or a bag of weed. I would ask a friend for the final score and some game details so I would have that info for my parents when I got home. You know a little Visine worked wonders on blood shot eyes and we never got so intoxicated that we couldn't function and a handful of Frito's before you walk in the door would hide the alcohol on our\my breath.

Kids are sneaky, I was sneaky! My parents were and still are excellent parents. Unless you know these parents personally you should not judge their parenting skills. We do have a lot of good parents out there and we do have a lot of piece of $hit parents out there and unless you know the parents of these kids don't be so quick to judge them.

stull

And, at 48, you still believe your parents didn't know?

XDm9mm,

You have a point. I used to sneak with my cousin and friends and go to this mall that was in the next city over. I thought I was so sneaky and smart. My mom told me several years later that she found the mall's pamphlet in the car after she got in the car to go to work. But she said she didn't say anything because she trusted me. I probably could have lied and said I got the pamphlet from somewhere else anyway.

Parents might know that their children are up to something but short of us following our children around 24/7, kids are going to be sneaky and even *gasp* get away with things every now and then. I have 2 sons and their father and I are pretty strict and protective but you can only smother your kids so much. They'll probably just rebel anyway.

When I was in middle/high school, there were always teenagers who died in car accidents. I don't remember knowing any of them, personally, but it's sad because something has to happen pretty close to home for teenagers to get a wake-up call. We drove really fast and were pretty wreckless in our years of "no fear". Needless to say, at 30, I am a lot more cautious and well aware that my parents only tried to do the best they could while still trying to allow me to live some of life so I wouldn't rebel. And I definitely did some crazy things when I got a chance too. I would be here all day listing my shenanigans as I tried to pull the wool over my parents' eyes. I admit that my parents were a little too trusting at times but you can't follow your kids everywhere.

RIP to the children who left the World way too soon. I pray for the victims and their loved ones and hope God be with them during their healing. This story is too sad for words and almost sad at how senseless the loss of death was.

JaevisMom

As a parent, you know that kids don't REALLY get over on Mom and Dad. They THINK they do, but parents have a sixth sense and know when to reel in the kid.

As I noted earlier, I knew 6 guys that died in a wreck. Fortunately, I knew better than to get into a stolen car and walked home with some other friends. Six funerals and six closed caskets. It WAS a gruesome scene.

My son made it to being an adult with very fortunately no major incidents. Now, he's a fine man with his own kids.... and still asking mom and dad for advice.

And the circle continues..........

But I guess that comes from your gene pool.

Gotta agree with both of you. The kids' gene pools have had some genes removed (preventing further stupid and criminal behaviour) and Mike's has survived (allowing deuctive remarks).

Kids are sneaky, I was sneaky!

At least you and they thought so.

Terry -

I can't wait to see who their attorneys blame and sue for this. Someone other than their little innocent darlings MUST be responsible and held financially accountable!

What if she was texting?

stull

And, at 48, you still believe your parents didn't know?

Oh my parents know and probably knew at that time. When I was 26 I told them a lot of things they didn't know. Just as with my 22 year old son,I know a lot of the things he did that he doesn't know I know. This doesn't make me a bad parent nor were my parents bad parents. I know some of the $hit my parents did when they were in high school. Even the "good" kids in high school drank, smoked pot and had sex and I'm sure their parents knew. It's called being a teenager and the ones that didn't or don't party have told a lie at one point in their life.

Although there were not enough proper seats and belts for 8 teens, technically the vehicle may not have been overloaded, as 8 teenagers would probably not weigh more than 5 large adults.

Technically the vehicle was overloaded when there are 8 passengers and only 5 restraint devices. The vehicle may not have been over-grossed by being under the weight capacity.

Because you can cram 300 anorexics in the same space as the standard 100 obese American doesn't get the fire marshal's permission for occupancy at the local movie theater when the fire breaks out.

How can a car not be overloaded with 8 kids when there are only seat belts for 5? Drivers and front-seat passengers must wear a selt belt, even if air bags are available. Drivers can get hit with a $30 fine, and passengers with a $20 fine, for ignoring the rule. Ohio law requires children between the ages of four and 15 to be properly restrained by either a child seat, booster seat, or seat belt any time they are being transported by a motor vehicle.

1. They took a car that they did not have permission from the owner to use

2. They broke the seat belt law since none of them were wearing seat belts.

3. They exceeded the number of passengers allowed for the vehicle (weight has nothing to do with it)

4. They were exceeding the speed limit

We all go through it? Really? I never stole a vehicle, and further, don't know any one who did. Quit making light of criminal behavior, thanks.

Where are all of the bible thumpers preaching about how the "Man on High" has called them home for his higher purpose. At any time he could have intervened but chose not to.

Correct. He choose not to. End of story.

Go to www.news-herald.com for pics of the remains of the vehicle. Nothing to repair. Airborne, lands on its roof in a swamp, and you think it can be repaired? From the first report of this incident in that paper, there were questions as to where these kids got this vehicle. Logical conclusion is it would be stolen.

I dont know when my teens slept over I always made sure I spoke to the other parent in person so lets just ban stupid parents.

The sleepover didn't kill them. I've had sleepovers at females homes and the sleepovers didn't kill me. The lack of sleep nearly did though.

Wow, kids do stupid things, that is a bit nasty and evil minded. Thousands of kids take their parents, friends cars everyday..without asking, doesn't mean they are a bunch of thieves, maybe they didn't know, your jumping to conclusions they were all aware how the driver obtained the SUV. Shows how limited you are in your mindset, though, already persecuting individuals you did not know that just died a horrific death. Wicked Wendy!

And I don't look at your comment as being anything other than the spewing of an ignoramus.

wendy - WOW! where did that come from.

No one can say these teens were inherently bad kids even if they stole the car....immature people and kids do awful stupid things, the only ones that are learning form this mistake are the survivors and hopefully others kids who are seeing this.

I did some stupid things as a teenager, lucky for everyone that nothing bad happened....and I grew up to be a good person and so did my friends.

Wendy, how great it is that you're so perfect.

nasty and evil minded. Thousands of kids taske their parents, friends cars every day...without asking

What is so angelic about stealing "parents, friends cars"? Regardless of the relationship, taking anything without permission is stealing. Because they didn't get caught didn't negate the crime. These kids got caught after theysacrificed their lives through piling on the final act of stupidity - speeding through a sharp corner. The difference is that the dead kids aren't going to be held responsible for their crimes. Different story for the survivors.

You're stupid!

The dead kids were stupid.

I work from home. I cannot see the spot where I park in the driveway from any room. It could be days before I'd know my car was stolen.

Young people do sometimes make bad decisions. But most young people do not willfully lie, steal a vehicle, drive without a valid license. They were the start of young thugs. Good kids know there are limits and consequences and would have a common sense from being raised correctly that this was more than a decision it was a criminal act.

The worst crime in this wasn't stealing the car. It is vehicular homicide X 5.

and agreed, no race has a monopoly on criminal behavior.