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Subscribe to RSSPint-sized sluggers in the town of Atwood, Ill., may have one of America’s best-selling firearms to thank when they step up to the plate this summer: The local youth baseball league is raffling an AR-15 rifle to raise funds for new equipment.
The response has been “tremendous,” said Charidy Butcher, co-owner of the Atwood Armory shop, which donated the gun for auction. “I’ve gotten calls from every state in the country.”
The Rock River Arms Tactical Operator 2 AR-15 rifle that her store has put up was made by an Illinois firearms manufacturer, Butcher said. “It’s one of the hottest on the market right now,” she said. “They’re almost impossible to get your hands on.”
The raffle has already raised about $1,600 in two days, Butcher said – far outpacing last year’s raffle, which raised just $10.
"That's not counting the hundreds upon hundreds of people who have called in asking how they can send in their check for the raffle," Butcher said.
The most successful fundraiser in recent memory raised only $600, the league commissioner said.
“I’m loving it,” said Atwood-Hammond league commissioner Steven McClain. “A lot of people are saying it’s a political stunt, but it’s not.”
The team league is not affiliated with the Little League International, McClain said. Between 100 and 150 children participate in the league every year, he said.
“We’re not funded by anybody,” McClain said. “We don’t have any outside funds. We knock on doors to get sponsors from our local businesses and we’re self-sufficient.”
The rural town of Atwood had a population of about 1,200 in 2011, according to census statistics.
Both McClain and Butcher said they have young children who play ball in the league. All proceeds from the auction will go directly to the youth league, Butcher said.
Whoever holds the winning ticket will have to undergo a full background check, according to local NBC affiliate WAND.
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Raffle off something people want.... wow, what a concept.....
This is so friggin cool. I love America!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice to see an American made product taking advantage of supply and demand in the raising of funds for an American youth group!
Economic stimulation at its best! I only wish there were more stories like this out there.
I can hear the wails and the gnashing of teeth by the anti gun nuts now.....wait for it.....wait for it.
Here's hoping a local nut job doesn't win.
That number could decrease significantly in one morning.
My response from merely reading the headline: So?
I'm a democrat. Also a hunter. AR-15's are not evil, but some people who use them are. String is not evil, but in the hands of the Boston Strangler it sure may seem so.
Cool story! New uniforms for all! :-)
Chuckzul - I can hear the wails and the gnashing of teeth by the anti gun nuts now.....wait for it.....wait for it.
And I can imagine the gun extremeists all getting their little bitty penis's stiff at the thought of holding a rifle that makes them feel like a man....since they were short-changed physically....and mentally
Have a little phallic fetish there Patrick? But thanks you've proven my point. Only had to wait 8 comments.
I have rifles and they don't make me feel like a man. I know I am one. I don't even carry a gun around with me. I just have them at home for hunting and protection. If someone breaks into my home they will get the business end of one. Trust me I am not short changed.
The media is starting to really piss me off. This non-story should be in a local gazette, not a national news site. Sometimes, "unbiased reporting" dies before pen even hits paper just by selecting the story for another medium. Really MSNBC? You really just felt the need to run a story about a small town's baseball fund raiser? No agenda? You journalistic frauds should be deported and made to wear helmets.
It's not breaking any laws. I could not join in this raffle I don't have a permit to own a gun, if I won and they sent me the gun that would break the law as long as this keeps with in the laws no problems. You know your going to get that idiot that enters, win who knows he couldn't than sues.
The only thing that comes close to this would be a three night trip with a all inclusive wild Hoe. This is the heart of the gun battle and why gun legislation will not work. What a awesome plan for the Little Leagers.
Chuckzul - what would you know about a "phallic fetish"?....lol....... I'm sure you are more knoweldgeable about "phallic envy" as your little boy penis would fit in a thimble......and not that it matters, but I am not anti-gun, I am anti-gun nuts that think they need to stock pile them and have any weapon they desire because they are scared little men with a bad case of paranoia and hide behind their big gun.....and do you think you are calirvoyant or something because someone might post an opposite opinion about guns? Let me explain the idea of a blog - it's to hear ALL views, not just those of men with small penis's that have to have a big gun to feel like a man....bet you drive a big truck too....and need a footstool to climb in to it....
We can only hope the winner turns the gun in to local authorities in exchange for a Toys R' Us coupon.
Everybody wins.
By the way, has Wayne LaPierre been arrested yet?
Hey Patprick.....get a life. It's LEGAL......
Dig yourself a hole; crawl in it and cover yourself up....
The gun is a tool as a car,knide,bat etc and on a shelf is harmless.
Patrick - your 6th period middle school teacher is looking for you. I think you forgot to go back to class. The adults are having a conversation here.
@MSNBCMFE
You mean like Gabby's husband?!
Patrick, you reference a small penis several times. Stop spanking it or you will go blind and it will get smaller, now wash your hands for supper...........
Patrick,
lay off the hater-aid this late in the afternoon my friend. if you don't want to own a firearm, then by all means don't. no one is forcing you too. stop with the childish attacks on those who have a different opinion than the one you wear on your chest like a badge
does anyone else suspect that Patrick got beat up a lot when he was (or still is) a kid?
A friend of mine's church raffled off a whole bunch of guns the other weekend, including an AR-15, a Savage bolt-action rifle, a Remington bolt-action rifle, a Colt 1911 pistol and several others. It is a great way to make money for a good cause. Every winner will NOT be able to take possesion until after the background check clears. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this.
@Patrick - why would you have a problem with gun collectors? Do you have a problem with Jay Leno because he collects cars? How about my neighbor? He collects stamps. My mom used to collect all sorts of things, mostly figurines. What is wrong with collecting items that you like? Do you hate museums - they are huge collections? Maybe it's just an irrational hatred of an inanimate object that you are scared to death of?
Patrick:
Please get your head examined by a stone cutter, and then afterward we will deport you to some liberal nirvana where all the other faries think just like you ....
Quote Crazy Joe Biden, “Get a shotgun, get a shotgun, get a shotgun! Shoot both barrels off the balcony”
Has Crazy Joe had a mental health background check?
From the article above I would have to say so what? Not to mention the fact that the public is voting on the gun issue with their money. So what does that say about the polls that somehow report more gun control legislation? Guess the polls are wrong again or highly selective in who answers the question.
By the way I don't own one gun period. But my friends have plenty and they are a hoot to shoot (the guns not my friends to clarify for you progressives). So I support the right to choose ownership or not...your choice. I do not support more ignored legislation from legislators whom should be removed from office by our votes and term limits. We have hundreds of laws no one can memorize or enforce. The real issue is what we teach the populace about caring for each other and critical thinking skills. if I demand your compliance with my views is that freedom for you? I thought not.
Next
Ah here we go again, hey everyone here's a clue, anyone posting here with a lottery number behind their tag is a foreign interloper with an agenda to incite, divide and disarm America. They interact with each other to create the argument and then team up to push their agenda. I've been up their wazoos all day long calling them out on their trolling efforts. Shut them down earlier too. Ha Ha, I'm still laughing at that one; they didn't have a clue on how to deal with it.
Patrick is a prime example of one of these clowns! Don't bite on the bait he's/she's trolling with; you, and your arguement are his/her prey.
Happy trolling Patrick with the queer anti-gun, sorry anti-gun nuts (balls?), sexuality issues! HA HA HA HA HA ........................
Isn't that what you want though? You come here laying your bait so you can pounce on anyone who responds to your call for opposition.
While I have no issue with legal gun transactions, there's something about people who thump their chests trying to rile others that doesn't seem right.
It would appear that someone gave you what you wanted. Feel better now?
If nothing else this is going to make the girly men liberal Dumbocrat voters piss their pants even more. I can see them running to hid under the bed right now. I hope they dream of nothing but this for months, keep up the good work!
Suck on that Feinstein. heh
So, where is the story about the people that save their lives every day by having a firearm at their disposal? waiting..... waiting...... I'm gonna get old, aren't I?
@ Ida"ho"-Steven, you and your diatribe were old way before that post!
Happy trolling, HA HA HA, huh, HA HA HA...............
OK Boys, stop it!
Patrick, "Let me explain the idea of a blog - it's to hear ALL views" RESPECTING the other bloggers views. Grow up and woman up.
Hey Bibba- need a license to vote? To speak up? To go to church of your choice? Need one to begin to see what prior restrain does to an enumerated right?
@Patrick -632150
I understand the reason you try to degrade someone who takes advantage of thier 2nd amendment is because the only balls that you have are the ones that slap against your chin.
Firearms are like health insurance.... when you NEED it, you'd better already HAVE it......
Most Americans understand that concept...
Patrick -632150
First off thank you for not owning a firearm. Clearly your a boy who knows his own limitations, it's obvious your not man enough and by all indications stable enough to own one.
Patrick, typical liberal hate. Keep it up, it makes you all look like idiots.
Gotta support the team...
Patrick, you have major issues. Daddy issues? Mommy issues? Maybe you were emasculated growing up? You don't act like an adult so maybe you feel you are being emasculated by Mommy now. Either way, people don't own guns to "feel like a man". We own them for self defense. At least, that's the case with my husband and me. And most gun owners. We have permits to carry and do so. And as a woman who is sometimes home alone or is out and about on her own, I feel much better knowing I can protect myself. And no, I don't have penis envy. But it sounds like you do.
Way to go on the background check. Sounds like a straw purchase. Talk about dribbling off the court.
Patrick,
You've inadvertently revealed your male chauvinism: In the narrow confines of your walnut-sized brain it never occurred to you that MILLIONS of women own and shoot guns.
Great idea to raise money, teach economics and cultural diversity all at the same time. I applaud the ingenuity shown in this endeavor.
So somebody's raffling an item that is sure to get lotsa contributions. Seems perfectly logical to me.
So, anti's - pull up yer panties and go home.
And.............Some cheap beer joint couldn't sponsor the team, what the hell is a matter nowadays....!
I already have one, but I am hoping the demand cools so I can afford another one. Can't see the ban on so called Assault weapons passing, so I am waiting it out to get me another one, I didn't think I wanted two of them until they disappeared from the shelves so now I gotta have another one.
Others should do this to support our Little League players...gives them the idea anything is possible.
Joe added that you can just shoot your shotgun through the front door. No matter that is illegal in 47 states. This ass-clown veep is the gift that keeps giving.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/27/joe-biden-has-more-gun-advice-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door/#
Here is video of Joe Biden's shotgun students.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jafkVM-jnbE
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner in the "2013 Most Disingenuous Self-Serving Statement Award!"
“I’m loving it,” said Atwood-Hammond league commissioner Steven McClain. “A lot of people are saying it’s a political stunt, but it’s not.”
The winner will receive:
A copy of Richard Nixon's "I am not a crook" speech from November 1973;
A first edition print of the NRA's "Big Book O' Connect-The-Dot Weaponry and Word Puzzles"; and
An autographed (in crayon) picture of George W. Bush.
Congratulations!
Army,
Im a Democrat. I own a gun and know how to use it very well, thank you. I'm gay, but I'm sure not girly. Now, unless you have something to say that isn't laden with your hatred, please feel free to contribute.
Chuck,
I think you are thinking of trapping, not guns by the tone of your comment.
If it's legal and it raises money for kids then I'm all for it. It's inventive to use an AR to raise money knowing the hysteria over guns right now. I am a gun owner and this whole hysteria over this subject, on both sides of the argument is CRAZY. Maybe the adults could sit down and have a logical conversation about this and come to some good compromises.
That's absurd... nothing says positive zeitgeist like raffling assault rifles for a children's sports collective. Sad.
It's not an "assault rifle".
It's an AR-15.
Stop your leftist liberal progressive lies.
It's not even called an assault rifle in the news story.
Their not....they are offering chances in a raffle of an AR- 15 Rifle . No such thing as an "assault rifle"...an "assault" is an action acted upon...a Rifle is an intimate object.
Would you be happier if they raffled off a shotgun perhaps? Oh and by the way ITS A RAFFLE....who is forcing YOU to participate in it?
Ohh cut the crap... the gun meets most of the criteria, I just didn't see a complete list.
Let me amend then...
That's absurd... nothing says positive zeitgeist like raffling any weapon for a children's sports collective. Sad.
@Cog
The "criteria" set by who...... The gun hating propagandists?
Libs love to think they can make up their own definitions.
And if they raffle off a baseball bat that you could kill someone with, you going to complain about that too?
Its not an "assault rifle" lol, please, thats exactly what it is, don't be ridiculous, what was that rifle designed to be used for, you been hunting with your AR-15 recently. Don't get me wrong I love guns but saying its not an assault rifle is just absurd. Its the civilian version of a weapon designed for the MILITARY, to kill people!
No... Wikipedia.
I am not a "gun hater"... nor am I against the right to keep arms. I just don't want some yahoo walking around with a rocket propelled grenade launcher. And I'd rather not have guns in places where people are doing a good deal of drinking. And I don't want them sold to criminals...
Gun safety is necessary because guns are dangerous... so, for example, having people carry them when they are drunk, and their judgment impaired, is probably a bad idea.
CS...you seem to lump all liberals into one perspective...that's a most ignorant thing conservatives (and liberals) do. You appear to have more sense than that...but perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps your just one of the millions who have nothing left but name calling...pity
@Cog,
Please stop presuming guilt before the crime. You are not the "Future crimes" police.
I won't call your car a "drunk drivers baby killing machine" and you don't call my gun an "assault rifle" ok?
Thanks for not hating me for things I haven't done. (whoa, that double negative just came naturally...)
I don't hunt.
It is a civilian version of an assault rifle. But, it isn't an assault rifle.
cmharmon
....you been hunting with your AR-15 recently
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the AR-15 style rifle is by far the best selling rifle type for hunting..... and for target, competition shooting, and just about every other use...
you do not know what you are talking about
"And if they raffle off a baseball bat that you could kill someone with, you going to complain about that too?"
Ummm.... That is absurd!
Baseball bats are designed to hit a ball in the playing of a game. Guns are designed to kill things; rapidly. What you are asserting is irrational.
By the way, I grew up hunting... I owned a rifle and a shotgun.
Yes, it is a civilian version of a weapon designed for the military, except the military version has fully automatic firing capability, and this weapon is semi-automatic. Your analogy is like calling a paring knife the same thing as a Katana Samurai sword, which was also designed as a weapon of war. Yes, both of them can cut and stab and slash. That's where the similarity ends. Try again. Better luck next time.
cmharmon
sure have! and with just 1 shot (so I didn't need the 30 round magazine after all! @@) Bambi tastes good. My AR-15 works well on javalena, and other tasty game too. Ever eat fresh game meat? or just tofu?
The assault weapons I carried in the military worked well too, but for different "targets".
That is like taking the motor out of a car and having horse pull it and calling it a motor vehicle still because it meets most of the criteria.
Assault rifles have a very specific criteria: They have to fire intermediate power cartridges, accept detachable magazines and most importantly have to have a selective fire mode, meaning you can switch the gun from semi-automatic mode to fully automatic mode and back again. If the gun doesn't have machine gun capabilities it is not an assault rifle.
I take it you consider a remington 7400 to be an assault rifle then?
Why don't you send in $30,000 and win the raffle; then, publicly destroy the weapon?
Put your money where your mouth is.
cmharmon
Its the civilian version of a weapon designed for the MILITARY, to kill people!
So what does that make a Colt 1911a? Maybe you care to speak on .308 deer rifles as well?
No, it doesn't "meet most of the criteria." The main criteria for an "assault rifle" is select-fire. The Rock River Tactical Operator 2 does not have select fire...it is semi-automatic (ie, it fires one round each time the trigger is pulled) ONLY. Full auto and three round burst (that is, select fire weapons) are illegal in the US and have been since passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934. They can only be obtained and possessed by civilians with the explicit permission of the federal government after an extensive background check, permission from the highest law enforcement officer in your county, the payment of a $200 federal tax stamp, and giving the BATFE carte blanch permission to enter your home without a warrant whenever they want to check that weapon and see that it's being handled and stored in compliance with federal law.
Noliving...
"Cut the crap" referred to her accusing me of spreading progressive lies. It was just a mistake on my part.
I knew something of what it was based on... a understandable error.
My AR-10 is basically a .308 in military clothes...nothing assault about it.
I had to Google the word zeitgeist
@Joe...now THAT'S funny
IA.ScooterTramp
There most certainly is such a thing as an assault rifle. An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between automatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.
And I thought you knew a thing or two about guns.
Also, what is so wrong about killing? I eat burgers, pepperoni and eggs with some regularity, OK maybe I don't myself hunt, but the money I spend on those products is paying someone else to go out and kill. Yes killing is one of the functions of guns, the threat of injury is another (self defense use), putting holes in paper to win competitions is yet another. And the least utilized function (at least in the US) is to kill other people.
Now if you don't like killing things with a face (other than people) and believe its morally wrong, it is your Right to think and speak about it - but it has nothing to do with the gun, and everything to do with the hunter.
So please stop acting like a gun being designed (in part) to kill is a bad thing.
It is however, absolutely terrible at blindly shooting off your balcony to scare people...apparently.
Did you find out it doesn't mean what Cogito thinks? Just a big word to make it seem like you are educated on a subject.
All i'm saying is just because you don't hunt with a hunting rifle, doesn't mean its not a hunting rifle anymore. Its still an assault rifle, its ridiculous to say its not, just because it doesn't have selective fire doesn't mean it isn't designed with assault in mind. I have no problems with calling it an assault rifle, I love that gun. I question what you would classify it as if not an assault rifle? I'm still going to call it an assault rifle regardless and I'm going to enjoy it too
Actually it means exactly that.
"honsestdebate" Actually it means exactly that.
I disagree with that assessment, that may be the definition of assault rifle but I would say that there are other design factors that should be considered.
Again NO, it is not designed to be used in an assault situation, as it does not have the ability to be used effectively in a true assault situation.
The selective firing rates are there for a reason. 'sniping', short accurate burst, and suppression mode. The 3 elements you may have need for in one assault situation.
They are capable of "assaulting" a McDonalds in a gun free zone, but would be very ineffective in a true military assault.
Firearms were raffled back in the past. It's only because it is a black rifle that "looks" scary and intimidating that everyone is in an uproar. At one time, people would take their hunting rifles to school and have them mounted in the back of the cab and it was no big deal. Children were taught the proper use of a rifle at an early age and learned how to respect the firearm for what it is. They were taught proper, safe, responsible gun ownership at an early age. It was a rite of passage to get either a hand-me-down or their very own first new rifle when they reached 16; much like when you get your driver's license...
So what has transpired that this country turned into a bunch of pussies? THIS NATION IS DOOMED. Thanks, Liberals...
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Ever heard of a little thing called the Biathlon? It's an Olympic sport that utilizes...GASP...a rifle! Inspired by the Norwegian "military patrol" that combined skiing and shooting. How about Boy Scouts? They shoot rifles. No? Kids learning to shoot and defend their nation...I can see where that would concern a "progressive" hell bent on the destruction of the Republic. Where was all this concern for kids in school when they stopped teaching, and started dumbing them down with "political correctness" and the like?
Sporting rifles(erroneously called assault rifles) are semi-auto. True assault rifles are fully automatic. The libs just love sensationalism so they have labeled everything that is semi-auto and can take a detachable magazine an "Assault Rifle". The original AR15 was made by Armalite and the AR represented Armalite Rifle--not Assault Rifle.
Lol. It's just a metal stick without a person.
"honestdebate Again NO, it is not designed to be used in an assault situation, as it does not have the ability to be used effectively in a true assault situation."
Again, i'm going to disagree with you. I believe it would be effective in a true assault situation, considering that in true assault situations not all weapons used by the military have the ability to utilize all three options, fully auto and burst fire or single fire. Just because you don't have selective fire does not mean in an assault situation a weapon is ineffective.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever been in an assault situation? I myself have not so I cannot say for sure that it would be effective, but I believe that it would be. I may just ask my friend who is active duty right now what he thinks though.
Does anyone know how much this raffle costs? and how to enter?
GBA-
If I had a dollar for everytime I had to read that statement from everyone. It is unfortunate that Liberals can only hear the hot air they are breathing than these three statements:
> AR- does NOT stand for Assault Rifle; it stands for Armalite Rifle
> AR-15s are NOT assault rifles, they are semi-automatic rifles; one trigger pull = one shot; just like a hunting rifle
> Banning high capacity magazines will do NOTHING to save lives; it takes less than two seconds to swap out a magazine. Limit my capacity of rounds per magazine and I will just carry more magazines.
Right now my chest rig can carry 8 x 30rd PMAGs. If necessary, I will modify my chest rig to carry more PMAGs...MOLLE is a great concept so you hang just about everything you need on it...If necessary, I will also carry a drop bag.
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cmharmon-
Automatic fire is used to suppress the enemy so they keep their head down. Since they are keeping their head down, they are not returning fire. While this is going on, other members of your team are advancing on the enemy's position so they can kick the door in and if the enemy is not dead yet, to mop of the objective. This is called an assault, hence the term "assault rifle." Automatic fire is inherently inaccurate because the rounds and gases expelling from the barrel tend to rise the barrel upwards to appear it is climbing and in doing so you fall off target and need to reset by reacquiring your target. SF used to employ the 3-round burst and train to fire in a "Y" fashion to ensure that at least one if not all three shots would ring true on target. But when you and your team get compromised or are overwhelmed by superior number of enemy forces, you might need to retrograde for an extraction and will alway go full-auto to aid in your escape.
An AR-15 MAY 'look' like an M-4/M-16, but it is strictly appearance. An AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle only; more like a wooden hunting rifle only that this one is molded in black composites...BTW, they make pink composites components to cater to the ladies; but it is hardly an assault rifle...Think hunting rifle...
Makee Sensee?
But it's NOT a bar, it's a RAFFLE at a sporting goods store, so what doesn ANY of that have to do with this story? Or do you think people are going to get drunk at a little league game and shoot the place up?? I mean, I suppose it COULD happen, with or without this particular gun, but again, what's your point? The article said the winner will have to pass a background check before they can receive the gun, so relax, there's nothing to worry about here.
Thanks for the long form of what I implied IBH, I thought the practical, tactical uses may have been obvious by what I said, but I guess not.
what alot of people dont realize is that the AR-15 and mini 14 are two of the best small varmint hunting rifles.
There are laws on the books that state you are not to be in bars or to the point you can be in a bar but you cannot drink while carrying your firearm. A law-abiding citizen will learn what the laws are and follow them. Or they will not frequent those establishments; like Buffalo Wild Wings. They clearly mark no guns allowed. Even though I have a right to be in there with my firearm so long as I am not drinking, I will just refuse to frequent there, because clearly only criminals that are armed will go in there, because criminals don't follow the law in the first place. As a gun owner, the first thing they teach you is to maintain situational awareness and before it gets hot, excuse yourself from the situation. Otherwise, you are going to have a bad day.
There is no law saying you CAN'T have a RPG launcher; just follow the proper paperwork and get the tax stamp and let BATFE do their job. The problem with a grenade launcher is pricey in itself and that each round cost upwards of about $200 each and you need a $200 tax stamp for each round. THAT can get costly...Oh yeah, and use it lawfully ONLY; otherwise you risk having BATFE take it away from you and all your other firearms to boot! THAT would be a terrible waste of investment...
Sorry, honestdebate-
I guess I didn't see your post...MY BAD!
Was a geniune thanks IBH, I think people really did need the long form.
Jack for Jax just what military were you in that you used a weapon similar to a single shot AR-15? Was that some where in Africa or South America? I think I remember that when I was in the good guys used a fully automatic M-16, and the bad guys in black pj used another fully automatic AK-47. Or maybe you were in during WW1.
"MOLLE is a great concept so you hang just about everything you need on it...If necessary, I will also carry a drop bag."
OMG, Becky! Ban MOLLE...whatever that is!
HA HA HA HA, what a bunch of troller hooey! One maroon says something and three others parrot him, sqwack! These were good though, you all really tried to take a side and stick with it in this round that was good, funny, but good.
Happy trolling, Sqwack! HA HA HA HA......
Ooooh, I can get an RPG? Now that would be fun. And please remember all you gun haters, alcohol, tobacco and firearms are not just a guvment agency, they are an alternative lifestyle. And liberal skulls full of mush are supposed to all be about alternative lifestyles.
Champagnesabre, you rock. And I'd love to rock a Rock River Arms. How can a company that good be from a state as bad as Illinois?
@cmhardon: Reading through your posts is actually painful. When you first erreoneously called an AR15 an "assault rifle", it was an understandable mistake. After all, the liberal media has parroted them as "assault weapons" for quite some time, although even that title is false, as there is no actual definition of "assault weapon" and it was simply coined by the media in the early 90's.
However, after having several people explain (quite politely I may add) why the AR15 is not an assault rifle, watching you continue to stubbornly adhere to your position went from ridiculous, to comical, to sad very quickly. No wonder with such intransigence on the position of the left we cannot get anywhere with the entire gun control debate.
You don't know anything about guns, and you dont WANT to know anything about guns, you just know that they are scary and you dont like them, therefor they should be banned.
cmharmon
..., that may be the definition of assault rifle but I would say that there are other design factors that should be considered.
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the definition of assault rifle is immaterial... there are many rifles that appear military... and attempting to say: we are banning a rifle because it looks military is silly....
it's akin to banning white cars because one was used to run down people at a bus stop when red cars kill more people statistically...
guns are here to stay.... humans will make them forever
we tried banning ARs and some criminals just used different guns, but most just ignored it
you know what hasn't been tried? fixing a mental health system that never really existed in the first place...
No issues here outside of, Im hoping they do the background check. (I am pro gun, but I am hoping they prove responsible enough to get the checks done, and not just oh you paid the most, here you go), would definately hurt us pro gun people, and our cases.
They will do a background check when they transfer the gun to it's new owner. They have to, it's the law.
Ohhh... stop your right wing lies :)
"U.S. law requires background checks for all people who try to buy firearms from federally licensed dealers. But federal law does not require background checks for "private transactions," like sales at gun shows."
Cog, you are off your rocker.
But this isn't a private transaction, this is Federally Licensed Dealer that is putting the gun up for the raffle hence it is going to have a background check. Also gun shows don't provide any type of legal loophole. Federal licensed dealers at gun shows have to do background checks on all gun sales.
@Cog
You should read the story, especially the last line.
Yes... and private transaction don't.
Ohhh... stop your left wing lies :)
Gun raffle aims to help Atwood youth baseball league raise money:
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local/illinois&id=9025706
Oh come on Champ, that would require Cog to let his/her bias down long enough to comprehend what he/she is reading. Cog is too busy poopooing what has turned out to be a great idea to raise money for a great cause.
CogitoErgo
you seem STUCK on this being a private transaction.. even when the story clearly states it is being handled by a gun shop. Even your "buddies" at 20/20 have given up on the whole gun show loophole BS.
I did read that, thanks... I was just pointing out that "background checks are required by law" is not universally applicable. Also, I read that the law was actually poorly enforced... the ATF is understaffed. Anyway, I'll say no more because I don't have a source on that info.
Cog-
Private transactions depends on the state...But if you were to procure from an FFL dealer, they are bound by law that they HAVE to conduct a background investigation or they could lose their license. I know of no FFL dealers that would want to lose their livelihood by not doing their job. Additionally, if a law-abiding citizen were to knowingly sell their weapon to a criminal, the seller can be in a world of @!$%# to the point they would have to forfeit all their other firearms as well. I don't know about some of these other posters here, but I have invested upwards of about $20,000 in firearms and furniture. I do NOT want to lose my investments so I will seriously consider who it is I am selling my firearms to...When you go to these gun shows I do see some folks walking around with their rifle and a flag taped to it saying for sale. I strongly doubt there are criminals loitering around as I see state and local law enforcement personnel (uniformed and undercover) walking around the gun show looking for perpetrators...There was even one law enforcement officer who had to off duty working behind one of the tables. I said had to be off duty because he was in civvies but he did have his sidearm on his hip, had cuffs, and had his badge all on his belt. So he was undercover (CHA!) or just off duty working a table as an FFL dealer.
I challenge you to go to one of these gun shows and see for yourself; it really is quite a treat to see the latest and greatest wares...Cost is usually $8-$10 for admission and no photography is allowed.
"U.S. law requires background checks for all people who try to buy firearms from federally licensed dealers. But federal law does not require background checks for "private transactions," like sales at gun shows."
Or...Walmart parking lots, city parks, private residences, etc. You see, if you had ever been to an actual gun show, you would know that vendors do run background checks...it's not like you see on tv, but things seldom are...TURN OFF YOUR BOOB TUBE, and venture out into actual reality!
if i got shot by any gun...i'd feel assaulted... and to me, be an 'assault weapon'
Good god, could your fear mongering agenda be any more obvious? Good cop, bad cop, repeat, faux humility, and then a double dose post, spoon feedings, on the law, featuring what other than "private transaction."
Trolling dribble, I think what you just fed me gave me gas in my azz! HA HA HA HA HA..........................
Good god, could your fear mongering agenda be any more obvious? Good cop, bad cop, repeat, faux humility, and then a double dose post, spoon feedings, on the law, featuring what other than "private transaction."
Trolling dribble, I think what you just fed me gave me gas in my a$$! HA HA HA HA HA..........................
Shawn
Would you feel 'assaulted' if you were hit with an 'assault' bat or stabbed 'assault' knife?
So if AR-15's are fine, why aren't you guys ok with fully automatic machine guns, main battle tanks or thermonuclear weapons?
After all, if we can control some kinds of "arms" then it's obviously a slippery slope to controlling them all.
Why can't a law-abiding billionaire have his own nuclear arsenal? What are you a bleeding heart liberal communist? He might have to take on the government/UN blue/black helicopters some day (or insert latest paranoid right wing talking point here).
So if free speech is fine why aren't you OK with defamation, libel and slander?
If we can control some kinds of "speech" then it's obviously a slippery slope to controlling it all.
What is the difference between an AR-15 and a hunting rifle? How is an AR-15 different from thermonuclear weapons? If you can not see the difference between an AR-15 and thermonuclear weapons is it any wonder that some people may be concerned that you will be unable to understand the distinctions between any kind of firearms?
"You dented my thermonuclear weapon!!!! Do you know how much these things cost?!!!!"
Actually, you can own a tank. To offset the cost of it, there is a dude that is selling time in it so you can feel what it's like to drive in one. It is fully functioning. It was an M-60 tank if I believe correctly. I don't think he had any rounds it though. But you can own a tank if you ahve the casholla.
Thermonuclear weapons are requlated (in this country) by the DoE; part of the special weapons branch. Additionally, we are bound by the IAEA so it is EXTREMELY difficult to get your hands on one.
Let's not split hairs here; we are talking about a semiautomatic rifle, NOT heavy weapons.
Rock River, quality gun. If I were there I'd buy tickets.
If I won it, I'd name it "Dianne".
Cool story bro.
Champagnesabre
I bet that would frost the CA Senator's cookies! Good idea!
Dianne would have a COW.
That would be a natural progression of events, since stupid cows give birth to more stupid cows.
Mark Taft
Only if the Bull was wiped out on loco weed and was so darn near sighted would he even think of "servicing" her. Besides, Dianne might like it - then what does the Bull do?
Dianne's husband first has to prep the bull. Afterwards Dianne's husband would sit in the corner and watch like a cuckhold as the bull 'services' Dianne.
For those that don't know, goto www.urbandictionary.com and look up what "bull" and "cuckhold" are...
>;-)
a cow or a sow?
Seriously I get tired of MSN and their I hate guns propaganda they post on this website.. Hey guess what they are raffling an assualt rifle so what.. Not everybody that owns a gun is a crimminal you morons.. As long as they follow the backround check protocol who cares what they give away... Give this a rest it's getting old.. Can't you make news about something like obeseity in the U.S. or how video games are to violent.. Nope that's not the in thing right now is it.. Go Barack MSN.....
Maybe MSN can get back on the Trayvon Martin thing. They love to push racism even where it doesn't exist. The trial will start in a few months so MSN will be flooding the internet with their racism.
????
The article just mentioned the facts of the story. It didn't lean any specific way. What article were you reading? If anything it made the raffle look like a great idea since it raised so much money. If you don't like it, go back to your Faux News site.
Totally agree. MSN so liberally slanted. Terrible writers on it, makes you wonder where they went to school, or if they did.
MSN is actually a PACK OF LIARS
They were caught in a lie yesterday
Statement from Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA Executive Director, regarding inaccurate NBC story alleging that NRA won't oppose background check bill
An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.
The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, "provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks". This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.
The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system.
So.......?
Many liberals would have the rights of hundreds of millions of Americans curtailed due to the actions of a few dozen people.
And that is the very core of our argument to keep our guns. The libs and progressives know we are right but they want our guns. They can't take our assets until they disarm us.
What right? To own an assault weapon?
Sorry, but that's not guaranteed anywhere.
Media lies. Turn off your tv...or better yet, get off the campus. You've been in school all your life....You even work there now, sucking on the government teet...my tax dollars, used to disarm the last free nation on Earth. Damned dirty tree huggin' hippies.
MSNBCMFE-
Who said anything about assault weapons? I just want the right to own and continue to own and the right to purchase AR-15s, AR-10s, .308LR rifles and any handgun I choose to purchase...BTW, that includes 30rd magazines...
Assault weapons go upwards of about $15,000-$30,000 per weapon. That @!$%# is expensive! I gotta buy a new car before I go and buy one of those...
Yup, no longer sacrifice a few for the greater good. Now it's the whole suffers for a twisted few.
Who owns an assault weapon? The new thing is to call them military style assault weapons. Are you going to parrot that too? Most of the rifles they are trying to ban are just that, rifles. Same technology for the last 100 years. They are just black now so they look scarier.
MSNBCMFE,
1. they aren't raffling off an assault weapon
2. read the 2nd amendment
3. read the 2nd amendment again
3. research DC vs. Heller 2008
4. have a good day
Becasue he is a girly man and his women told him to be against weapons. He is a liberal, progressive Dumbocrat and barry told him. Becuase when he reads stories like these he wets his pants on the way to hiding under the bed. Or my guess all of the above. Hope tha thelp waneverhere.
MSNBCMFE or DNC or whatever your name is, if you cannot define an assault weapon, then you cannot intelligently comment on the story. But that never stopped MSNBC, our president or any of the other annointed ones that we are supposed to have thrills running up our legs at the mere mention of. Why is it that liberals are pro-choice only when it comes to killing babies, not owning a legal firearm, drinking a 32 oz drink or eating food that is supposed to be bad for us? The constitution is not a buffet to pick and choose which things you would like. I'm pro-choice, I just happen to choose an AR-15....just to piss you off.
MSN is actually a PACK OF LIARS
They were caught in a lie yesterday
Statement from Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA Executive Director, regarding inaccurate NBC story alleging that NRA won't oppose background check bill
An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.
The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, "provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks". This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.
The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system.
Trust me, if I could afford one, I would pick up an automatic rifle; THAT is a worthy investment...
LOL. I think that this raffle is a great idea.
I'm heading down to get mine after work!!!!
What, no liberal hand-wringing about a dreaded "assault weapon" being present in the same state as defenseless children? I'm shocked!
just wait....... it'll go that far. i am sure
Anyone have contact info on how to buy tickets?
J,, I would love to participate. What a great idea. I would bet that by the time they get done selling tickets to this they will have made a ton of money,,,,,, and good for them! Someone in that organization had a real idea.
Atwood armory on Facebook has the info.
Jwright, you can send a check (or money order) for $20.00 to Atwood Armory at this address:
and they will send you a raffle ticket. You must have a legal FOID card and pass all background checks. If you win, they will ship it to a licensed dealer near you for you to pick up. If you need any more information, check out their Facebook page under Atwood Armory.
From the Atwood Armory facebook page
Here is the way to get your tickets! Tickets are just 20 each for the fundraisers and can be purchased at ATWOOD ARMORY or by mailing a check to ATWOOD ARMORY located at 65 E CR 1175 N, Atwood, IL 61913. Once I receive your check, I will mail you your ticket stubs. Be sure to include a note with your name, address, and phone number. If you live out of state, I will gladly ship the firearm to an FFL dealer in your area if you win.
Good. It's better that multiple gun nuts spend money on a CHANCE to win an entire assault weapon than actually spend it on the purchases of individual guns or ammo.
The Left wins again.
You guys are so stupid.
Most conservatives haven't had the luxury of being in school all their lives, living off of the backs of taxpayers...so no, they are not professors.
MSNBCMFE,
$20 for a chance to win a $1000+ gun (and they are retailing for almost twice that) and helping to fund a youth baseball league at the same time. that my friend is a win/ win situation.
your stupid is starting to show, you might want to cover it up
PSmith. I just looked up that address, are you sure that it isnt your address. LOL
Nope, not mine, but relatively close. They are friends of mine, and I also happen to be a customer of their Armory as well. Nice place, and I will gladly purchase more guns from them in the future......AFTER I will this one!! :)
Thank God this is still a free America and fu*k all antigun trolls.
Amen.
Thank God some gun nut will win it and use it to kill his family, ending that string of defective DNA.
ExYahooUser
Yeah, we hope someone in your family wins it too. Good luck!
ExYahoo,
you're about as sharp as mashed potatoes. you realize that the "stated goal" of the left leaning liberals is to attempt to stop or curb violence by banning these scary looking firearms that don't even kill as many people per year as bats and fist. and here you are wishing violence on your opposition. i'd say thats "a little" hypocritical?
now, running along and go lick some windows
ExYahoo,
You wish people dead because they disagree with you? Phuck You!!! How do you type with your face buried in F-Stein's cr0tch
What's it gonna take for people who think these type weapons are intended for one thing only...killing in mass. Maybe the winner of their raffle puts that assault weapon to use and prove the point that these weapons are dangerous. You want to play with these types weapons? Then sign up and go get deployed to Afghanistan.
Sorry Bruce, they do not use the AR-15 in Afghanistan.
Sorry MNJL170, but if you do a search, you will find lots of AR-15s in Afghanistan.
Please provide a link that proves that the US military is using AR15s in Afghanistan. Our troops are using the M4 and I would guess there are still some M16 also. If you mean,,,, are there some AR15s in that country, probably so.
Semi-automatic AR-15s for sale to civilians are internally different from the full automatic M16, although nearly identical in external appearance. The hammer and trigger mechanisms are of a different design. The bolt carrier and internal lower receiver of semi-automatic versions are milled differently, so that the firing mechanisms are not interchangeable. This was done to satisfy United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) requirements that civilian weapons may not be easily convertible to full-automatic
Bruce,
been there, done that, got the t-shirt and my wife shrunk it. perhaps you should go as well.
Ex,
our military is currently using the M-16a4 and M-4 as the main battle rifles and not the civilian version, the AR-15. SDM (squad designated marksmen) are also using the M-14. SOG guys tend to use some more exotic stuff
i encourage you to do your reasearch before spouting crap from your fingertips....although you and i both know you won't take the time to look stuff up on your on. you will continue to buy into the spoonfed crap from the anti-gun media and follow around blindly like a good little sheep
go educate yourself
MNJl170
You haven't a clue as to what you are talking about... I repeat NOT A CLUE
just because you have an opium doesn't mean that you can add anything to the discussion
Driving around, I do not see any yard signs saying "No Guns on this premises".
The sad part is however you do see them on the front doors of schools. If someone would replace those,
"Gun Free Zone" signs with signs that read ,,,,, "Our Staff is highly trained and armed. Any attempt to cause harm to our children or our staff will be met with lethal force"
I have one on my lawn. It also says "Beware of two large dogs, they don't sleep. Looking for guns? Gun nut lives three houses south and works days, drinks heavily and passes out by 9pm. Have a nice!"
Exyahoo's sign says: NAMBLA meetings held here weekly, inquire within.
Godbless -
Now that's funny. Best post so far!
EX,
stop feeding your dogs meth and maybe they would get alittle sleep. perhaps someone should report you for animal cruelty.
cunical-
You must live in a smart neighborhood. There are some on the doors of some establishments like Buffalo Wild Wings...Bank of America would prefer that you NOT carry your weapon in the bank but if the state they are in says it is authorized they will not object to it. Starbucks has come out and said they DO support gun owners and if you are authorized to open carry or conceal carry, they will not object to you bringing in your firearm holstered on your person...
Now THAT'S a dangerous combination Venti caffeine and a loaded firearm... unless you are in NYC of course... /sarcasm
In NYC Mayor Idiot Berg
Wants to dictate how much soda you can drink ... Which was just SHOT DOWN by the courts WHAT AN IDIOT!
I want one.
Wow, auctioning off an instrument of death, how very American. Gonna do a background check on the winner, probably not. Hottest selling item, really, pretty efficient killing machine and to think all for a youth group--love the role model symbol. Have at folks, something a bit off there, you betcha fer sure!
Yawn!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Skyparrot, did you even read the article...idiot!
Idiots won't even leave their right-wing politics out of children's sports.
They should raffle a full clip to eliminate Democrats! The entire country would bid on that.
I don't know why everyone is so scared of being disarmed by the government...If they ever try it won't matter 'cause you'll be dead...and then they can have them. It's THAT simple
The fascist left wing government wants my guns
molon labe!
wis., #20.0,
Math: 300 million private guns....90 million private gun-owners.....3 million military personnel
So you expect the military to maintain a 30:1 kill ratio against hunters & target shooters on their own turf.
(a pat on the head for you) simple..minded, child. time for bed.
And that is IF (big IF) all 3 million military personnel follow these 'unlawful' orders...Some might just feel the same way a lot of Americans do...and jump sides.
Uncharted water when this occurs...
Atwood armory on Facebook has posted info to buy tickets.
Thanks dude...saved me a trip
Simple FACT is, an AR-15 is an ASSAULT RIFLE that only fires semi-automatically. There are many ways to make it fire full-auto. To say the AR-15 is not an assault rifle is like saying a Ford Mustang is not a sports car because it only has a V6 engine. Sorry folks, but that's the truth whether you like it or not.
BS!
Can't handle the truth. Too bad.
Care to name one of those ways the average citizen can make it go full auto? Oh, that's right, you can't!
There are many ways to turn a bag of steer manure into bomb as well. Your points are typical lib jibberish. You lefties get your panites all in a wad over a sporting rifle but remain silent regarding the deviance of a corrupt woman in OH that voted for Obama at least 6 times--a woman that was entrusted with maintaining the very integrity of the voting process.
Semi-automatic AR-15s for sale to civilians are internally different from the full automatic M16, although nearly identical in external appearance. The hammer and trigger mechanisms are of a different design. The bolt carrier and internal lower receiver of semi-automatic versions are milled differently, so that the firing mechanisms are not interchangeable. This was done to satisfy United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) requirements that civilian weapons may not be easily convertible to full-automatic
“Small arms identification and operations guide.
By Harold Johnson
1970 US Army.
Assault rifle.
Assault rifles are short compact select fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power
between a sub-machine gun and a rifle. “
It goes on to tell more.
The term assault rifle is a term developed by the US Army in 1970 and those rifles were “select fire” meaning they could fire full auto or not depending on the selection of the shooter.
The term “assault weapon” was a term coined to describe the weapons that the 1994 Clinton ban would effect.
And so that would not be an AR-15, because it can't fire fully auto, the M16 does and that it why it was developed to fight the bad guys with their AK-47.
Yahoo,
So then my Glock 17 semi-automatic handgun is also an assault weapon? I bought a few magazines that hold 33 rounds. It comes standard with a 17 round magazine. I can do more damage with my handgun then your imaginary assault rifles.
Got news for you Slappy: You libbies try to take away handguns then you have the next civil war on your hands. Guess who wins this time?
.
Ex Yahoo User
Hasn't A CLUE TO WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT just another Ranting and Raving Liberal
I've never had any doubts that there is a lot of money in death and destruction. Maybe they should raffle off some Anthrax next.
Well at least they are honest on how to get the money. Unlike the school district that tell me it is for the kids with every increase in taxes for the greedy vile teacher union.
As she/he drives a death and destruction machine every day with out thinking twice about it....
Ex@!$%#User-
When the Anthrax is released in your proximity, do everyone a favor and take a deep breath!
That's really something...and here I was told everybody in the USA was against guns and totally for more gun laws....yet a raffle for a gun will make thousands of dollars for the charity.
Raffle off a book containing the speeches of Dianne Feinstein and Charlie Schumer,and throw in an autographed picture of Obama...and see how much money you raise.
HA HA you wont even be able to buy one of those outlawed big sodas.
John.,#25.0,
Sorry to correct you.
'High capacity assault soda'
I dont get it....whats the problem? boys? guns? what people WANT/NEED? who would have a problem with this? weirdos?
For all of you who think "assault style" is the same as "assault" please educate yourself.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Assault-Weapons.htm
I own a variety of rifles and many of them have detachable magazines like my AR's so in comparison they are no different than my AR's. So would you feel any safer if all rifles were single shot bolt action? That will never, ever happen.