Stacee is just projecting back to her teen days. ROFL. And hasn't bothered to glean any facts of the case since it hit the news.

This 16-year-old victim didn't even attend that Steubenville high school ... or live in Steubenville.

The young woman is an honor student/star athlete at a small private/parochial school in a nearby town. These 2 teen male thugs drugged her, sexually assaulted her and then paraded her around to various parties that night. That's all you need and those young men, their parents and Steubenville, as well as the feral pack of young men who stood around laughing and did nothing to help her. There was likely more than a little class warfare going on in the minds of those lower class males; this girl was already on track to do well in life, much better than any of these predatory boys, many of whom will do no better in life than jail or the military. Mays and Richmond ought be in jail right now on the basis of their own videos and texting of what they did for the benefit of their Steubenville classmates.

Bravo to Anonymous and those who forced this to be confronted out in public sunlight, instead of hiding it, as those parents of the young men, the school and law enforcement tried to do.

Stacee's whale of an ignorant post is all you need to know about her.

The accusers are black so that means it's ok and they must not be guilty

HUH???? While I don't know what race either the ALLEGED VICTIM or the ACCUSED are, I don't get your racial reference. And your sentence makes NO SENSE at all. Accused, not accusers. Accusers implies the alleged victims. And why would the victim (accuser) be guilty???

No one is black and one is white. Pay attention to the picture moron. And even if they were both black Jesse or Al would have no business doing this.The white boy's mother wanted the girl not to press charges.

OMG,WTF, dansmomtpm2 isn't everything about either race or money. How about the homeboy in East NY 16 out at 3:00am with an illegal hand gun(I know your probalby a Dumbocrat as most women are, I hope I didn't scare you talking about guns). He get shot by the cops, and the peeps have been rioting for 4 day. Can you tell me when was the last time a white person was shot by the cops, and a riot happened, yea never.

Ever see the Jodie Foster movie "Accused"? I don't care what the girl's reputation was/is; it doesn't give the little $hit heads the right to violate her. I would keep them in jail well past the age of 21.

Army1971, you idiot, watch the video in this case with the white boy who was laughing about how he raped her and thought she was dead. The boys who were concerned about the girl and called the POS out on his conduct were black. You are a racist and a pig.

The accused will continue to exaggerate the girl's reputation because that is a commonly perceived way of proving consent. If consent can be proven, then charges get reduced.

What's really sad is that none of the other kids tried to intervene. Everyone at that party should be facing charges, not just the to ball players. We have taught the next generation that life, dignity, and respect are no longer important. Everything has become a YouTube moment.

These football players were already known as the rape crew before the incident took place. There are pictures of previous unconscious victims also. She didn't just go to a party and get drunk, she was slipped a date rape drug by a female accomplice of the rape crew. The victim just didn't happen to get drunk in the wrong place at the wrong time. The rape was planned out well in advance.

Here's where the confusion arises: Every one of the kids needs a serious session behind the woodshed and to be grounded for a year. The girl, the boys, the onlookers—the whole nasty brood.

If the girl was drunk, probably so were the boys. No one deserves to be raped, but this is the real world and bad stuff happens to females who behave like sluts. Yes, that would include getting puking drunk at a party where she was no doubt doing everything possible to appear sexy.

No one deserves to get a free pass for raping someone, either— even if they are a couple of drunken, testosterone overloaded boys encouraging each other to take advantage of a girl who is behaving like a slut.

If the girl isn't to be held responsible for her behavior because she was drunk, neither are the boys. And a boy's judgement is further compromised by raging levels of testosterone. Don't get hysterical ladies—after all, PMS is a handy excuse when the shoe is on the other foot.

It appears there ARE no innocent victims in this little drama—just a bunch of teenagers gone wild and a lot of parents who need to be put on probation and shunned by decent folks. Assuming there are any in this town.

Not only didn't intervene, but stood around laughing and taking pictures and videos. Todd, I agree -- everyone of them should be arrested as accomplices. If one of them had tried to stop it or called the police, this might have been prevented.

Patter -- it does not matter how drunk any woman/girl gets or what her reputation may be. Rape is rape. Rape is a violent crime. These animals need to put away for a lot longer than they will be. That you would absolve them is reprehensible.

No Terelyn, I didn't absolve them of anything. I can see you're upset, but don't make hysterical accusations like that.

What I said, in other words, is that the girl was equally responsible because the boys were influenced not only by alcohol but also testosterone. If she is an innocent victim because she was drunk, they are innocent victims too, because they were not only drunk, but at a time of life when a powerful hormone is affecting their judgement.

Rape is an emotional word. And it's never right. But sometimes there are mitigating circumstances that should be taken into consideration before someone is deemed an animal.

Why are the boys held responsible for their behavior and judgement, but not the girl? People keep screaming that it's because she was drunk. Well, the boys were almost certainly drunk too. And it's common knowledge that a girl's judgement matures faster than a boy's. so shouldn't she be held to at least a slightly higher standard in this scenario?

But let me ask you this: are you REALLY against young girls being raped? If so, wouldn't your agenda be better served by teaching young girls that they are responsible for avoiding behavior that puts them at risk, rather than claiming that it doesn't matter what they do or how they dress?

So patter what your saying is don't tie a pork chop to your ass and then walk into the lions den. And then cry wolf when you get bit?

Don't expect responsible behavior from kids under the influence.

Patter, you're a moron. Please stop commenting, your ignorance is hurting my brain this morning. It's people like you that need a giant wake up call as to what you're implying. STOP BLAMING THE VICTIM.

You ask why the girl is not being held responsible? Are you serious???? Because she didnt friggin rape herself! Are you seriously that stupid? What is wrong with you?

Seriously, just stop with your idiotic, rape supporting comments. The only people to blame are those who violated her and those who watched it all happen and did nothing to stop it. That's it. She has to deal with this for the rest of her life, isn't that enough?

Patter:

What I said, in other words, is that the girl was equally responsible because the boys were influenced not only by alcohol but also testosterone.

So testosterone makes men unable to control themselves when they're drunk? Maybe we should prohibit men from drinking then?

If she is an innocent victim because she was drunk, they are innocent victims too, because they were not only drunk, but at a time of life when a powerful hormone is affecting their judgement.

So because the men couldn't control themselves around a drunk girl, it's her fault too? That's ridiculous.

Rape is an emotional word. And it's never right. But sometimes there are mitigating circumstances that should be taken into consideration before someone is deemed an animal.

No, there are never "mitigating circumstances" that ever make rape even somewhat understandable. If a man can't control himself around women, especially those that are impaired, then HE need to do something about it. Not the women that he may potentially attack.

Why are the boys held responsible for their behavior and judgement, but not the girl?

Because she didn't rape anyone. She may have been drunk, but she didn't attack anyone.

People keep screaming that it's because she was drunk.

No, the reason it is rape is because she was drunk. She couldn't consent because she was drunk.

Well, the boys were almost certainly drunk too.

Yes, but when they were drunk, they attacked a girl. That's what makes their actions worse than hers.

And it's common knowledge that a girl's judgement matures faster than a boy's. so shouldn't she be held to at least a slightly higher standard in this scenario?

No, because she didn't attack anyone. Had she attacked someone while drunk, then I would be holding her to the same standards as these boys. Because no one has the right to do that to another person. And it's not "common knowledge" that girls judgment matures faster than boys. Most teenagers are going through the same thing, their hormones are changing, some enter puberty earlier than others... but that doesn't excuse anything that these boys did, and it doesn't make her in any way responsible for what happened.

But let me ask you this: are you REALLY against young girls being raped?

Yes. As everyone should be.

If so, wouldn't your agenda be better served by teaching young girls that they are responsible for avoiding behavior that puts them at risk, rather than claiming that it doesn't matter what they do or how they dress?

Are you serious? So because men and boys can't control themselves, it's the women's fault when something does happen? I have a right to my body, and I have a right to tell someone no. But if I decide to wear a nice dress that some guy finds sexy and attacks me, it's my fault?

You need a serious reality check. I have a right to my body, and no matter what you've been drinking, or what hormones are coursing through your body, it is never okay, under any circumstances, for you or any other man to violate it. Ever.

yeah, patter, that's mighty convenient for you isn't it? putting it all on the girl absolves you of any responsibility. you can violate women with impunity *gags*

patter, there is a difference between being drunk and being incoherent, puking, limp and out-of-it drunk. They were still capable of a great deal of activity still, whereas she was being carried out by her arms and legs. It sounds as if she committed an act of stupidity and they committed a crime.

But let me ask you this: are you REALLY against young girls being raped? If so, wouldn't your agenda be better served by teaching young girls that they are responsible for avoiding behavior that puts them at risk, rather than claiming that it doesn't matter what they do or how they dress?

how about teaching boys not to objectify females? how about teaching boys to have self control? how about teaching boys that even if a girl is passed out and naked that he has NO RIGHT to violate her?

Ok cool, so I can get really drunk and kill someone right? Because when we're drunk our actions don't count? Oh no wait, I can't, and these boys are responsible for their actions. The reason it's rape and not the girls fault is because she was so drunk that she didn't know what was happening, they were carrying her around! Have you never been so drunk that you passed out?

But let me ask you this: are you REALLY against young girls being raped? If so, wouldn't your agenda be better served by teaching young girls that they are responsible for avoiding behavior that puts them at risk, rather than claiming that it doesn't matter what they do or how they dress?

Yeah sure you're right, going forward I'll make sure to teach my future daughters that all men are out of control dogs that shouldn't be trusted. Maybe I'll get lucky and they'll turn out to be lesbians instead of totally and irrevocably f'ed up.

patter123 -- Getting puking drunk at a party is bad judgment. Forcing sex on someone who is passed out and unable to give consent is a crime. Can you comprehend the difference? If these boys are guilty of that crime, they should go to jail. Juvenile detention for a few years seems way too lenient.

we will never know the truth of it;so lock everyone of them up, get all of the lowlifes off the street before someone dies.

someone will kill someone over this. I have faith in humanity.

I just read this story and the comments people have posted. The rape of a girl or boy of any age is wrong! When i was 11 years old my 15 year old neighbors friends told him they would give him a bag of weed if he could get me to come over to his house. "john" invited me over to play on his atari. I was kidnapped by my neighbors "friends". I was blindfolded, tied up and taken away only to be gang raped for what i later found out was three days. when i was dumped on the side of the highway i went to my parents and told them what happened..i told the police when i went to school because my parents said it was "my fault i asked for it" i went to court at this young age at the police man urging and my father settled for 3 years probation and 1 thousand bucks...people are stupid! even those you trust. this girl was drunk and should not have been sexually touched regardless..the law states that if a person is drunk that person is not able to give consent..no matter what the circunstances are people do not view rape as a forced event because so many people think the victim somehow asked for it. NO ONE askes to be violated! its not only a rape of the body but a rape of the mind and soul and it lasts for a lifetime...so for those of you who think its no big deal or that she asked for it your an idiot! if god forbid it happens to you im willing to bet your gonna wish someone believes you, but the sad truth is you may also be told your a lir and you asked for it too because karma is always in your life.

Even is she was a woman of ill repute....NO MEANS NO!

Wisco,

In this case Patter is saying, she has to take some of the blame... This is not a Black and White case, it has a lot of Grey area... I do know one thing, if she has 'Total Lack of 'Memory' of the events, then just saying "NO" will not pop up in her head as a 'Memory'... Any creditable 'Mental Health Professional' will tell you this...

So, let me get this straight. When I was younger and went out to bars with my friends, often getting drunk, I could have raped the girls and it would be as much their fault as they were drunk too and I had a lot of testosterone running through my body?

Funny, because I got pretty darn drunk quite often, and the thought never occurred to me to take advantage of any of my similarly drunk female friends.

CBurroughs - You are wrong. This is black and white. I have been plenty drunk bfore, too, and it isn't uncommon to have partial memories. I even remember when I was all doped up getting my wisdom teeth out. I have sketchy memories of things I said. I don't remember things the doctors said.

-->"Any creditable 'Mental Health Professional' will tell you this..."

Bulls..t. Just becaue YOU say so doesn't make it a fact. First off, you make it sound as though "total lack of memory" is a definitive label that, once applied, can not be downgraded to "90% lack of memory". I challenge you to find a credible mental health professional that will say, "saying "no" will not pop up in her memory if she has lack of memory of the events."

See? All I have to do is remove your BS use of the word "Total" and your argument falls flat.

How ANYONE in thier right mind can imagine a scenario where what these boys did was even remotely acceptable is completely beyond comprehension.

I am neither upset nor hysterical.

There are never 'mitigating circumstances' for rape. It doesn't matter how drunk a woman is, how she's dressed, where she is, what she's doing. Going to a party is not a reason for any 'man' to rape a woman.

The only ones responsible for their actions are the persons committing those actions. This girl did not force those boys to drag her around while she was unconscious and rape her.

She may well be 'guilty' of making a bad decision. They committed a felony. They need to go to prison for a long time -- not get a slap on the wrist, a little time in juvie, then their record expunged.

That you can defend their behavior, in any way, is incomprehensible.

Bulldozer62,

You are either too stupid or too angry to know that us boys are taught that from when were super young, till we literally die. You know how many things I've sat through about consent and not to rape or abuse women? Yet guys still do it, because some guys always will.

These boys who acted as if they were men should be labeled as Sexual Offenders for life! They raped another, whether she was drunk or not---they Raped her and should be labeled as Sexual Offenders for life.

Curious before you object---would you want your daughters to be around them when they are drunk? Drunken kids usually become sloppy drunks as adults!

There will be a movie about this one.

so Mr. Burns, are you saying you would have raped in the same circumstances or that you think females should treat ALL males like potential rapists

big me,

Your question is too dumb for words. No where did I imply that. I was saying that it is dumb to say we should teach guys not to rape. We are already taught that from a young age. And women dont have to treat all males like potential rapists, but if you're not careful, it can come back to bite you. Cautioning someone to stay safe, is not the same as blaming one. We dont live in magical pixie land where everyone follows the law. Thats why we have police, guns, locks on the door, etc. Women are easier targets, and therefor have to be more vigilant. I also think guys should look after girls close to them. I walked numerous girls home in college, and walked across campus to personally pick my gf up every time I wanted her to come over. But ultimately if a girl decides to walk alone, she puts herself in danger of what may happen to her. Is it her fault, no? Could she have done something that could have prevented it, yes?

MrBurns

Bulldozer62,

You are either too stupid or too angry to know that us boys are taught that from when were super young, till we literally die. You know how many things I've sat through about consent and not to rape or abuse women? Yet guys still do it, because some guys always will.

and your reason for making it personal is? odd, that you would get so defensive. Is there some thought or urge you are repressing and you lashed out because I struck a nerve?

your refusal to acknowledge that there are males who are NOT taught that it isn't okay to violate a woman reveals just how pathetically ignorant you really are.

I asked valid questions, especially since there were people making comments on this very forum which were trying to lay blame on the victim, and we still have people in this society who believe that a woman is somehow "asking for it"

"You know how many things I've sat through about consent and not to rape or abuse women?"

no, I don't, so why don't you enlighten me? have you sat through so many "things" because they teach anger management and self control at the facility to which you are confined?

All I can say is, this is what is different between the sex's (male and female) I am a male. If I went to a high school party and got totally drunk and woke up to two naked hot cheerleaders having their way with me. I would probably consider that party the best I ever attended. I think a lot of males would probably consider this thought also. Just saying ?

CBurroughs:

In this case Patter is saying, she has to take some of the blame...

No, she doesn't. At all. None of it.

This is not a Black and White case, it has a lot of Grey area...

No, it's not. She was in no condition to give consent to sex. So these boys should not have had sex with her. End of story.

I do know one thing, if she has 'Total Lack of 'Memory' of the events, then just saying "NO" will not pop up in her head as a 'Memory'... Any creditable 'Mental Health Professional' will tell you this...

Care to share who any of these "creditable 'mental health professionals'" are? Because I've been put under for things, and while I may not remember everything, I do remember some things. I remember yelling at my sister for something, but I don't remember the car ride home. I remember waking up at the dentist's office (it was for my wisdom teeth), but I don't remember the conversation the dentist said we had. It's very common for being drugged to only remember parts, and sometimes only remembering when someone tells the story to you.

Rcky:

All I can say is, this is what is different between the sex's (male and female) I am a male. If I went to a high school party and got totally drunk and woke up to two naked hot cheerleaders having their way with me. I would probably consider that party the best I ever attended. I think a lot of males would probably consider this thought also. Just saying ?

Ah, but what if it wasn't two hot cheerleaders, but instead someone you found repulsive? Or what if it was another guy? Would your attitude change? Sure, you may think that's pretty cool, but the point is this girl didn't. It's rape. I would be just as disgusted if a girl did this to a guy. If someone can't give consent, it's not right.

Oh, Yeah, like those two rapists are angel boys! They both probably have dicks the size of a paper clip anyway - and 10 years from now, we will revisit them and see them in a drunkin' stooper or drugged out losers, or better yet in jail for spousal abuse! Yeah, these boys and their friends are just real pillars of society!

That was kind of my point... I think the blame for this incident lies on BOTH parties. It is the girls fault for getting so drunk she can't stand at a party that she shouldn't have been at in the first place, and it is the boys fault for taking advantage of someone in that position.

I never said, or meant to imply that I thought the boys were any better.

But lets keep in mind that the boys and the girl are all still minors. We don't call them adults because they are not adults. Just because they act this way now doesn't necessarily mean that in 10 years they will be drug addicts or spouse abusers (or alcoholic sluts for that matter). Hopefully the boys and the girl will learn a lesson and both will come out better for it.

Redwizard000 - I think the blame for this incident lies on BOTH parties.

Generally I put 100% of the fault on the rapist, not the drunk girl.

Agreed, Skrekk. It doesn't matter if the girl was drunk. It doesn't matter what she was (or wasn't) wearing. And it doesn't matter if she was at the wrong place at the wrong time. No one deserves to be sexually abused under any circumstances. Blaming the victim is part of the Rape Culture. I hope Redwizardooo and others will read up on and learn about the Rape Culture so they will become more compassionate, knowledgable human beings.

Could she have made better choices that night-yes. That does not mean that she is responsible in any way for their actions. Why are rape victims blamed for the crime?

Is it a good move for me to leave my purse in a shopping cart while I walk away? No. Does it make it any less wrong for someone to steal it from my cart? No!

Is it a good move for me to leave my keys in my car? No. Would any defense attorney defend the theif by saying, "she left the keys in the car, so it really wasn't wrong." Of course not!

Girls and women should be encouraged to make smart choices for their own protection, but it in no way means that they are responsible for the violent actions of their attackers if they do not.

Uchusky - in several states that I know of, leaving your keys in your car and having someone drive off in it is a very sticky situation. They can argue that the fact that they had your keys implies you gave them to them to drive the car. It's called "implied consent".

If you leave your purse in a cart at the store you should have a caregiver carry it for you, because you must not be all the way up on your game.

The girl should not have been at such a party, should not have thought it was ok to drink, should not have gotten so drunk she was sick, and yes, she should not have been violated. BUT...the life lesson here is WATCH where you put your STUFF. Be it your wallet, your car keys, your purse or your personal body.

You seriously think if a young girl goes to the extent she appears to have done to be grown up, etc. she's not even a teeny tiny bit responsible for what happened? If she was home where a 16 year old girl belongs at night, would they have snuck in her bedroom window and pumped her full of booze and then raped her? No. She's a young kid but she's old enough to know better. She was in the wrong place, wrong time, in the wrong condition. Doesn't give the other people a right to hurt her, but it does explain why it happened, and hopefully the perpetrators will get what they deserve.

(and this may piss off all the women's rights screechers on here, but women ARE partly responsible for the things that happen to them when they don't make intelligent decisions. If you pull out into a crowded freeway and stop dead, it doesn't mean you WANT to get creamed, but because of where you put yourself you very well might.) Hopefully the rest of the little stupid girls in that school will take a lesson from this and be a little more vigilant, and the guys will see that taking advantage of a drunk little tart can get your butt locked up and your future tarnished.

She didn't get drunk. She was lured to a so-called "safe" party, by a female accomplice of the rape crew. The female accomplice slipped a date rape drug into her punch. Then the accomplice helped get her into a car so she could be driven to a second party where she could be raped. It was in the back of the car that she was force-fed alcohol, while being assaulted for the first time that night.

Stacee is jealous.

I really feel sorry for people such as Stacee that actually got on here and shown their ignorance about another human being. Another female at that. And then Redwizard000 it doesn't matter if the girl was 16 or 21 and slipped out the window or walked out the front door nor does it matter if she lied to her parents and said "Hey I'm going out with friends" or told them "I'm going to a party tonight." There is absolutely no female on this earth that deserved what all that happened to this girl that night. Whats worse is that people are really on here discriminating against her saying she was a slut, she dress code was on the racy side etc. The fact is no one deserves this to happen to them under any circumstance. This will leave scares on this girl that she'll have to live with the rest of her life.

Agreed, Skrekk. It doesn't matter if the girl was drunk. It doesn't matter what she was (or wasn't) wearing. And it doesn't matter if she was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Oh, but it does. It matters very much.

No one has the right to be free of the consequences of their behavior, simply because the real world doesn't work that way. It would be nice if it were true, of course. As a woman, I would like to be able to go where I please at the time I please. Because I love the night, that would include long walks alone at midnight. But if I do that in the city, I'm courting disaster. It may not be nice, pretty, or fair, but it's how the real world works.

In the real world, young men are commanded by nature to spread their seed at every opportunity. Young women who give them not only an opportunity, but strong encouragement, can expect to become a receptacle, whether they really want to or not. All the legislation in the world won't change the laws of nature, and anyone who encourages a girl to believe that she has the "right" to flaunt herself without consequence is setting her up for a gang-bang.

Based on the statistics in this country for the prevalence of rape my guess would be that a large portion of people who think that she is partially or fully responsible probably have raped someone and tried to convince themselves that the female/male was the one responsible for their behavior...

Adela - you have a good point. While ultimately I think the rapists are 100% legally and morally responsible for the rape, if I had a teenage daughter I would use this case as an example. An example of why you should not get drunk, should not even drink at all when out at a party, and should surround yourself with good people. Not that getting drunk makes it her fault, in my mind this girl is in no way "at fault" for what happened to her. But young girls need to know that going to a party and drinking is dangerous. Even if you only have one drink, someone could drug it. Let's face it, it's a sad world out there and people will take advantage of another person's weakness or vulnerability - this is why doors have locks and businesses have security guards. We wouldn't need those things if there weren't bad people out there. There are lots of things that we know not to do to put ourselves at risk and teens need to understand that underage drinking can have some very serious consequences. I hope this girl is able to get help, make peace with this eventually, and learn to move past it so it doesn't ruin the rest of her life. I can only imagine how traumatic this must be for her.

patter123 -- This girl is not free of the consequences of her behavior. Not by a long shot. I'm guessing the online postings regarding her violation will make sure that she is never free of it, even if she could get past it herself. Nonetheless, your point seems to be not merely that she displayed bad judgment (which I agree that she did, as do many teenagers) but that because of her bad judgment, she is equally responsible for the crime. And you supplement that by saying that boys are victims of their hormones and the innate drive to spread their seed and as such are not responsible for their actions? Seriously? What century are you living in?

Adela -- The problem with what you're saying about car keys is that the person did not lawfully "have" the keys. They had to "break into" the car to get them in the first place, which is likely a crime in the first place depending on the circumstances. Then when they drove the car away, probably with the intent to deprive the owner of the property. Frankly, I don't have time to research it now, but I'm just not buying what you're saying about the keys in the car. I'm well aware of the concept of "implied consent" but it just does not apply to the situation you described. If I gave my keys to my neighbor while I was out of town, maybe, but not what you described.

And, as to the more relevant part of your post -- there's personal responsibility and there's criminal responsibility. Saying that the girl perhaps should have shown more responsibility or the crime wouldn't have happened, is simply blaming the victim. If I'm out driving late at night and a drunk driver hits my car and my kid is killed, do you really mean that I'm responsible for her death, because in your opinion, I shouldn't have been out late at night? Or I shouldn't have had the kid with me late at night? Or would you evaluate the reason I was out late before you decided if I was responsible? If I'm taking her to the hospital, it's OK but if I'm going out for cigarettes it's not?

Sorry, but while I agree that each of us makes choices every day that influences where we are and what we do and hence what random or planned things might happen to us, the fact that people on this thread are prepared to blame the victim for the actions of her (alleged) attackers is sickening to me.

As an American, I have the right to walk down a Street in South Central Los Angeles, I actually work close to South Central, and yelling the N word. Yet something tells me I will be harmed because of this. They are the ones breaking the law by attacking me, and would be completely to blame, but I would be dumb for yelling the word in the first place. What this girl did was dumb. She shouldnt have drank at a party. But the guys are 100% responsible for the crime they committed.

Oh, and I went to high school too, and even though I think its dumb what she did, I did it too, and I know most high school kids do it. We all do dumb things. We shouldnt be raped because of it.

Patter----get over yourself----men who cannot control their own little heads have the problem.

What she wears or doesn't wear is not an invitation to be RAPED!

Patter:

"anyone who encourages a girl to believe that she has the "right" to flaunt herself without consequence is setting her up for a gang-bang."

You know NOTHING about how she conducted herself at this party, nor what she was wearing. You don't know that she "flaunted" herself. Stop making excuses for the boys. It seems you have a 'boys will be boys' mentality. Why is it that some men will refuse to have sex will a willing participant, because she is too drunk, but these boys don't have the strength to not RAPE SOMEONE? I don't give a damn how much they had to drink. Being drunk doesn't excuse you of your actions, in ANY CASE.

Red:

"lets not pretend that she is some sweet precious little princess either."

Why? Because she made a mistake and got drunk at a party?

TO BOTH OF YOU:

I was in a similar situation right after I turned 18, except it was my friends' stepfather, not classmates. I had had sex ONCE before (also right after I turned 18). I was a straight A student, with a 4.33 GPA. I took all advanced classes. It was only the second party I'd ever been to, and I knew her family extremely well. What was I wearing? I was wearing SWEAT PANTS AND A HUGE SHIRT, having changed out of normal clothes. Did I make a mistake, thinking I could trust the people I was around, and getting too drunk? Yes. I did. I admit that. But does that make this partly MY responsibility? No. I don't believe being intoxicated is provoking rape. There is also a big difference between making a mistake and committing a disgusting crime.

If she is telling the truth, she will be traumatized. Although, with lack of memory, at least hopefully she will be spared the night-terrors reliving it. She has paid the biggest price of all of them in this incident. Her life will never be the same. She will be afraid for a long time. You both don't understand the ramifications of rape. I hope you never will learn first-hand.

Thinking like yours is what makes women in these situations afraid and ashamed to speak up. But you know what? If I had listened to people like YOU, I wouldn't have spoken up. & I don't know if his daughter would have had the courage to speak up if I hadn't first. Her friend wouldn't have ever said a word about what he did to her two years prior. His wife's friend wouldn't have said anything, either. He wouldn't have been caught, and I'm sure he would've done it again and again.

uchusky99:

You are exactly right.

I like to use the analogy of: If I get robbed, is it partly my responsibility because I carry a designer handbag? Was I "asking for it", by "flaunting" my money? Sure, it'd be smarter to carry a generic bag, I'd be less likely to get robbed, but I shouldn't have to share the blame for the crime happening.

Bravo Jessicalc. And Im 100% serious. If women dont speak up, more victims may come about as a result.

patter:
in the real world, young men are commanded by nature to spread their seed at every opportunity. Young women who give them not only an opportunity, but strong encouragement, can expect to become a receptacle, whether they really want to or not.

rape is a crime of power and dominance committed by a predator. if all a rapist wanted was sex, he could go to a prostitute. that's what ignorant people like you don't get. a rapist doesn't want it given to him, he wants to take it, by force. his gratification comes from taking, and from inflicting trauma upon his victim. it has absolutely zero to with "spreading seed"

that is how it really is in the real world

I'm not sure what she is, but it's not human.

Does it really matter? A sexual or physical violation of anyone incapacitated is what's at the heart of the matter. You think if they get away with it, they'll never try it again?

They did more than that 'Phil'. Are you a relative of the accused?

Phil G,

How would you feel if some men striped you naked and anally penetrated you at parties over and over in front of others while you puked on yourself and people phtographed it? They found Malik's seminal fluid tested for DNA on the blanket she was on so obviously they did more that digital rape. Nobody is willing to testify they saw the anal penetration but look at Nodi's video, that is closer to the real big picture. They would not go to jail it would be juvenile detention for three to four years and I am sure they would be released early with probation. They deserve more than that! If there is some part of you that feels this is nothing to go to jail over, you have some issues! They both will end up in prison someday if not now the next time they think they are above the law!

Well said, jstandie! I couldn't have responded better myself!

I have a daughter, if had been her, the trial would have been mine, and would have been for multilple homicide.

I agree, sadly. Here is how I see it.. just my opinion. I am sure many will jump all over me. Again, just to throw it out there, I am a woman, I have daughters.

1. What was done is disgusting

2. Rape is the wrong word here and I will keep saying it. Sexual Assault just doesn't grab headlines like Rape. Using Rape when a drunk girl is manually stimulated..not even sure how far that went... really is unfair to the woman and men who have been pinned down, battered, bruised and broken from penetration... very different.

3. What happened here does not make it that these boys are going to be serial rapists who should be or will wind up in prison. Just as this situation does not make it that the girl is going to be a serial alcoholic prostitute. Get it? Kids are DUMB and even dumber when alcohol is involved, doesn't mean they will forever be what happened that night.

4. So what should happen? We'll... if they did do something to her while she was passed out or "saying no" as she says.. punishment should be handed out. Counseling for all parties, period.

Regret does not = rape. Shame does not = rape.

All parties made really bad decisions. Again if this had happened to my daughter as it has been presented so far, I would be really really sad for my daughter and counseling would be in order and figuring out what possessed her to go party hopping and getting plastered drunk would be in order and a lot of love and support would be in order.. but I would not be declaring these boys heads on sticks and demanding prison and death etc... they too are kids, I don't go around declaring wanting teens dead..no matter the circumstance.

Rape is unlawful penetration. Finger or penis, it doesnt matter. She was raped, or at least, allegedly until the case is solved.

SDMN: I too am the mother of daughters, but I see this quite differently than you.

You seem to be missing that a date-rape drug was used. These leave you semi-conscious but unable to reject any advances. It has been proven in court again and again that you cannot be held responsible for your actions after being administered one of these.

One of the big unspoken subjects of this case rests in the entitlement felt by the 2 members of the football team. This girl was an honors student and athlete at her high school. She had been to other parties with her "friend" in the past, and probably was considered 'trophy material' by the football guys; maybe she had behaved in such a way that the guys felt she was a tease, even if she did not view her behavior as such...lots of teen girls don't understand the unspoken messages they give to teen boys; most think they are just being 'nice'. Due to their 'entitlement' as football heroes, if she had previously rejected them, she was 'game on'. Except being the sad little pricks they are, they had to have chemical help. But that was "o.k." in their minds because they are (small town) heroes and 'deserved' whatever they wanted.

I suspect the girl is actually quite naive. One of my daughters, despite all effort on my part to teach her differently, was naive and very trusting, and I worried every time she went out on a date, because this naivety can look terribly like sluttiness, especially when the girl tries to fit in by flirting or being pleasing to boys, and doubly if she is attractive. However, being naive does not fall in the same category as "irresponsible", and it certainly isn't deserving of rape; the trial has already brought out that she was set up for this by her "friend", which also furthers my previous point. Naivety has to rely on the ethics of the person(s) the naive one is in the company of, and it sounds like this victim was in the company of vipers, intent on taking advantage of her.

I don't know about you, but given the circumstances (being led on by a "friend", being given a drug designed for only one purpose, being multiply raped and assaulted by supposedly 'good' guys, and being hauled around like trophy, then dumped on her front lawn when the night was over), if this had happened to my daughter, I would be outraged at the behavior of the "friend" first, then the boys. No, you can't always expect teens to behave responsibly, but there is a point where it stops being irresponsible behavior and becomes criminal. These boys and the "friend" crossed that line.

Yes, counseling for the girl is a definite must; perhaps all naive girls should be counseled, but naivety is not criminal; certainly that doesn't excuse the behavior of the others who knew what they were doing. Even if they did not realize they were committing a crime, I'm sure they knew it was wrong somehow, and as is said, ignorance of the law is no excuse. They should suffer for their deed, somewhere where they can't feel their sense of entitlement because they are football heroes. I'm not sure juvey hall is quite enough, but I am sure the criminal justice system will see them again in the future.

Very true. I would actually advise any high school or college age daughter of mine not to date football players, because of this culture of entitlement and impunity that exists around them. Most athletes are perfectly nice kids, but not all by any means. And if a football player rapes a girl, he will probably get away with it, because the school, if not the whole town, will close ranks around the star athlete, and blame the victim. Exactly what's happened here, in fact.

Same thing happened to the eleven-year-old little girl in that case in Cleveland, TX gang rape case. Because a lot of the rapists were on the football team. the town did not want to believe the guys were capable of such a thing. The lawyers of one of those boys likened the little girl to a spider, who lured her then 18 year old assaulter into her web. In that case, too, only the fact that the rapists were stupid enough to record themselves assaulting the victim finally shamed the prosecutors into actually pursuing the case.

Exactly... For some reason, high school sports control everything. News articles even state that good ol' Steubenville is a football-obsessed town. It's sickening. I've seen it at my own high school.

As someone who is not originally from the US, the culture and attention given to college and high school sports is bewildering.

Underage drinking will not be more than a slap on the wrist.

Also, *cited

Hooser,

Did you know that if you do drugs, and someone is overdosing, you cannot be charged with drug possession if you call the emergency people? They aren't going to go after the kids, because then future kids will be afraid about speaking out about rape because they wouldnt want everyone to get in trouble for drinking. As much as you may fear alcohol and want everyone to just pray on Friday nights and not enjoy their high school years, I think most sane people believe rape to be a bigger deal than underage drinking.

Eugene,

Yea, I am grossed out that no one helped. Who does that??? What society do we live in when teenagers can stand around and watch people do this to each other? THEN post it online AND laugh about it. What was funny about it?

What's worse is the hacker group Anoynmous reported in January that one of her friends set her up and talked her into going to this party in which she had no intention of going. Once her friend and the boys picked her up, they immediately gave her a drink laced with GHB. The report goes on to say that she was passed out before they reached the first of many party locations.

Not only did no one help her, the night was allegedly planned to happen the way it did by her "friend".

Mob mentality until caught, then remorseful--notice!

“For evil men to accomplish their purpose, it is only necessary that good men do nothing.”

The poor girl - nobody helped her - that is the real sin !!

Please do not bring religion into this. Just... Don't.

MJ - - - - OKay! The poor girl - nobody helped her. that is the real crime !!" HAPPY, NOW ???

What's worse is the hacker group Anoynmous reported in January that one of her friends set her up and talked her into going to this party in which she had no intention of going. Once her friend and the boys picked her up, they immediately gave her a drink laced with GHB. The report goes on to say that she was passed out before they reached the first of many party locations.

Not only did no one help her, the night was allegedly planned to happen the way it did by her "friend".

What part of 'set up and slipped a date rape drug' don't some of you get? Some posters on here are obviously heavily invested in this case - perhaps because they're part of it and scared sh*tless now?

Here's a thought - any male passed puberty still in school should be forced to ingest saltpeter to keep his over-active sex drive under control, they way they used to feed it to the guys in the military years ago, especially if he wants to participate in sports. Oh, don't like that idea? Tough. Because if you're going to blame the victim, then maybe we need to rethink other cases, too - such as Sandusky. Those boys deserved it for going to his house, right? They went back repeatedly, and their own parents didn't believe them, so they must be lying little sluts, too. What's that? They were too young to give consent? But that flies in the face of the ones here saying it's this girl's fault because she was passed out, doesn't it? What's the difference? Guess that teacher in NY who was just arrested for having sex with a 12 year old boy is innocent, too, huh? After all - he participated, didn't he? Or is she, just like Sandusky, the scum of the earth - the same as these two losers obviously are, but people want to give them a pass because 'boys will be boys', 'she was intoxicated and stupid', and, of course, as some douche-canoes here have stated, 'she was known as a slut and had it coming'.

What a sad little world we live in.

Until found guilty, it is alleged. This is by definition.

Don't bother, Justice. She's just some sad troll. Best to hit the ignore button.

Where is this "ignore" button? I sure like to find it.

Where is this "ignore" button? I sure like to find it.

Harold: (since there seems to be no helpful do-bees on here today)

On the lower right side (right--->) of each post is a box with either an arrow or a number. The adjoining box has an exclamation point (!); click on that !. There you will find a drop-down list that says "Report this item as: No Value, Inflammatory, Advertising, Ignore this author." Click on "Ignore this author" and you will be asked if you are sure you want to Ignore. Click yes. And there ya go.

Mom. Our criminal justice system is so screwed up, no one will get involved, due to anyone can sue anyone for anything. I dont blame anyone for not getting involved in anything, and also, by Law, they dont have to.

It doesn't matter if the girl's an angel or not. What matters is that she did not give consent to be sexually assaulted. The people who raped her are at fault here, and the observers who did nothing.

It's always amazing to me that people are so eager to make rape the fault of the victim, rather than the fault of the rapist. There's no other crime with this degree of victim blaming.

jaevismom...I totally agree with you on this. NO one wants to DISCIPLINE their kids anymore! everyone is either afraid to get in"trouble" or they simply dont want to take the time to do it. kids are taught that their parents cant touch them. As a result of this inaction this generation of kids are totally out of control and have no moral compass to speak of..I DO spank my kids when they ask for it..as a result my three kids know their manners, they are polite, they respect their peers and adults and they are A/B students. And they damm sure dont want to get into trouble because they know they will be held accountable for their actions. My oldest did something illegal and thought he would not get caught...wrong...I found out and put him in jail myself, as a result hes never gotten in trouble again..kids need to be taught! they are not born with all the answers even though they may think they know it all. Its up to us as parents to teach our children right from wrong. If we all did this our kids would be like we were as kids, having fun and staying out of trouble. A sound butt whooping never did any damage to me, as a matter of fact ive never been in trouble with the law as a result of what my parents instilled in me..can todays kids say that? no they cant.

Its not a crime to do nothing, nor does it make you an accessory. Are they morally bankrupt for not trying to help her? Probably, I dont know all the details or what these people knew, but it does not make them liable in any way.

Hmm, I can't seem to post links...

The first post was from the rainn.org website

If you look below I have outlined rape laws from Ohio and the rape definition from the federal government

Stacee,

Your profile here reads, "Existing is basically all I do." Your self-described profile seems sad. You also appear angry. Your legal line of questioning indicates intelligence. However, I disagree with 'slut shaming.' I also disagree with calling people names based on their weight or outward appearance. If you want to discuss the law, I suggest beginning a conversation that doesn't involve name calling or hearsay; it will help your argument.

You really have to love her "like a diseased parasite,the juden are hated everywhere they go" line in the anti-Semitic story's thread. That was classy.

>>Insert face palm for loser,re-reg trolls here<<

Stacee is just jealous people.

when she was in High School she wished she would be raped just so she could say that she had sex!!

now she just gets an orgasm when she's eating a Twinkie.

Why does her skin color matter?

Your answer isn't good enough. Too ambiguous

Agent - I agree. It is a sad, sad, sad, sad fact in America. If you look at our history as a whole, rape against certain classes grabs more attention than others. Trust me, this is only getting attention because it's a football town. Kind of like the Lacrosse thing. Rape happens every day, even to kids, like little kids and it doesn't grab the attention like this has. I know it sounds horrible and it is, but it is how our society is; as a whole.

If a black man rapes a white woman... it pisses people off the most. Not sure why.

If a white man rapes a black woman... it depends. Is the white man rich? Then it might grab headlines... might not.

If a black man rapes a black woman... you probably won't hear about it. (same with Hispanic etc..)

If a white man rapes a white woman... depends, is the man powerful? Is the woman pretty? It always grabs more headlines if she's pretty.

If a woman rapes a man... well, you won't hear about it. Unless it's a minor kid in middle school and then you'll hear about it and she will get off with a slap on the hand, especially if she's pretty.

If a man rapes a man...we'll... we just don't talk about that; no matter the race.

If a gay man rapes a straight man... we'll... again we don't hear about that too often, even though I am sure it happens.

It's not a pretty picture to paint of our society. It really isn't.... but it is who we are. Certain things upset us more than others, depending on our own upbringing, our own race and our standings in society.

And WeirdScience.. I also agree. Men a basically screwed if someone claims rape. And it is the girls who claim rape when it isn't rape or it never happened or she regreted it that makes true rape victims keep silent.

Lock em up.

Maybe those things matter differently to you but as far as I am concerned I am appalled at any of those things.

And what are the facts: she was the drunkest person at the party-everyone seems to agree and "I'm OK" means that she was OK and wasn't like every other drunk who claims sobriety or the ability to make a decision IE get behind the wheel of a car because they said I'm OK so you give them the keys because "I'm OK" means that they are and know what they are saying is true? Good luck with that one next time someone you know asks for the keys to their car when clearly drunk and I'm OK means that they are so you let them drive. What drunk doesn't "say" I'm OK ?