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Four teenagers were involved in a shooting at an Oceanside, Calif., park Wednesday, according to police. Two of the teenagers were found with gunshot wounds and two were dead, investigators said.
The incident happened around 9 p.m. at Libby Lake Park in the city near the Camp Pendleton Marine Corps base.
Oceanside Police received multiple calls of shots fired at 8:50 p.m. They scoured the park and found one person shot and injured.
A couple of minutes later they found two other people shot and killed, then another person shot and injured in the same general area. At least of the two victims were shot more than once, officials said.
Witnesses said they saw several people running from the scene.
Officers are looking for two or more suspects, possibly in a gray or silver 2005 or 2006 Toyota Tacoma or Toyota Tundra extended-cab pickup.
Edgar Sanchez Rios, 16, and 13-year-old Melanie Virgen were found dead at the scene. The two wounded victims are also younger than 18 and were taken to Palomar Medical Center.
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Melanie was an 8th-grade student at Caesar Chavez Middle School and Edgar was a student at El Camino High School. Friends and family created a makeshift memorial at the park for the victims.
“The things that happen in this park startle me to death,” said Lt. Leonard Cosby of Oceanside Police Department. “It shouldn’t be happening.”
This shooting took place not far from a memorial in the park for a fatal shooting that occurred here just under two years ago.
The bodies of Fernando Felix Solano, 16, and Sandra Salgado, 14, were found May 3, 2011, in the northeast area of the park, which is located north of the San Luis Rey River.
The residential area is near several schools, including Libby Lake Elementary.
“I don’t want it to be a reflection on either the people in this park or the city of Oceanside, because it’s not that way,” Cosby said.
Cosby said his heart goes out to the community because he has worked a majority of his 26 years in the area.
The victim's friends are pleading for any new information of a suspect.
"If you know anything, please say something," said the victims' friend Efrain Almanaz. "We don't want more lives getting killed."
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Oh man, this has got to stop... These are just kids man...
OK, here we go again with all the gun control rhetoric from both sides....
Well,....let's see who, what, where, when , how and why.....
Then we can all go back and forth as to why guns are good, and why guns are bad and all the rest of the bashing....
All I know is, they'll never go away and if they do, the criminals will always find a way. Even if it's from a 3D or 4D printer...
You have to realize that people would rather blindly argue on an agenda someone has convinced them to find important, than to actually use their ability of rational thought to look at the bigger picture and find out why this keeps happening.
It's also easier to blame guns than to believe the values of our society have gone byebye.
It would not have saved them all, but what is a 13-year-old doing out at 9 p.m. on a school night, no less? The 16-year-old I can maybe see, but the 13-year-old?
Very well said, honestdebate. Bravo!
Oh, come now, Kevin. Are you seriously suggesting the parents should take some responsibility for the whereabouts of their children??? *sarcasm*
My sorry ass would have been home at that hour and at those ages. No excuses!
"... said the victims' friend Efrain Almanaz. "We don't want more lives getting killed.'"
English as a second language?
Thank You for keeping an open mind.
Why do you believe those two things are mutually exclusive??
How about "Because the values of our society have gone byebye our limitless right to deadly weaponry is no longer a rational idea"??
I hate to say anything,but this seems like another case of a bunch of parents who don't watch there kids.
Those kids should have been safe at home playing violent video games.
Or we could just stop promoting the awful society and hold people responsible for their actions again. Bad parenting use to be frowned upon, now any old excuse for being a bad parent is acceptable.
Do you really think those willing to shoot someone care if they break the law by possessing an illegal gun?
Condolences to the familiy and friends of Edgar and Melanie. A speedy recovery to the two other children injured. These senseless acts are difficult to understand.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
I love the finger pointers who blame the victims and their families for the senseless death of these children. Save the lashings for the murderers and please show some respect for the 2 young people who have died and the two that are recovering.
When they catch the young shooters it will be interesting to see if they went through the background check process, purchased the guns legally, and went to a gun range safety class. There must be a few gangs out there that abide by the law and will do so even with new legislation...........
Seriously, the problem lies with Parents of every child in the United States. Way back when I was growing up, we all had guns at the age of ten. Our parents taught us to respect people and guns. I will have to admit that it was a long time ago, and we lived in the country. Only one parent worked outside the home, and we had a great up-bringing. Today, both parents HAVE to work, just to put food on the table, and really dont have time or energy to raise children properly. I lay a lot of the blame on the society that we now have. We as the United States do not enforce any Immigration laws, and therefore we get what we are getting.
This park and area has a history of violence. I suspect it is a gang-related shooting in a gang dominated area. But being in a gang doesn't justify the death, and as you point out RIposter, my hope is that while two lives were lost, perhaps at least two lives can be saved from gangs. Assuming the gang relation is correct, I sincerely hope the two survivors can learn from this experience and ensure that they live a better life for that.
wascigarman
I remember that too. When in junior high, students who took firearms training were able to bring their guns to school on the bus because it was an after school activity and none ever went off. Society has surely changed with the addition of a few billion people. Maybe thats the problem.
The best parents in the world will never stop a teen girl "in love" from sneaking out of the house to meet the bad boy who cranks her tractor.
It all boils down to the girl's own innate sense of personal responsibility. Some have it, some don't, some will learn to cultivate it, some will never have the chance.
Sometimes a parent is only a guide and role model, and the child has to make a choice on which path to take.
Now that the Pope marathon is done... Let the Shooting and gun control commence!!!! did anyone else notice that? No news about anyone getting shot while the Pope had the stage... Huh? kinda makes ya think!
screminmimi
While I understand what you are saying about personal responsibility, I disagree about parenting. There has never been a day when my wife and I didn't know where our kids were at any given time. It is a matter of parents being willing to put in the time when their kids are very young in teaching morals, holding them accountable for their actions and teaching them that communication is the key to the door.
John, you would be the minority knowing where your kids were in this hood.........
I would wonder if the fact that these teens were Latino had anything to do with this scenario, or is it a a crime ridden Latino neighborhood.
So why not try to control the gangs instead of my firearms? My firearms have never killed anyone.
Well how can this be? This is Liberal Calif. with Senator Frankenstein and all those STRICT gun laws
Guess they don't work
Unfortunately John we're no longer allowed to parent our children, spanking? Child abuse. Grounding? Child abuse. etc etc. Like you I'm a "child abuser" My daughter has received maybe 5 spankings in her life, she's been grounded a LOT. But like you, you can bet your ass I know where/what/who with my daughter.
Mimi- is right, it basically boils down to the whole "We can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink" type of thing.
Ron it is a pretty much latino populated area lately unfortunately with gangs also increasing!
12thman
Here I was thinking that I was the only one to notice that.
1SGFitzsWife4ID
I understand what you are saying and for us it came down to an agreement that we would be in jail before we would raise kids without discipline, and most had nothing to do with what anyone would call abuse.
In our opinion there was one simple thing that is the key to parenting. If a child does not know what "NO" means by the time they are three, your screwed as a parent. It can start as early as breast feeding and the first time a baby bites the breast. And that is followed up with, when a parent says no, it is not open for debate.
Too many parents coddle their kids and give in to them for everything they want, so why would anyone be surprised when they take that attitude out into the world. There is a saying I would like stricken from our language. "It's not fair!" Well, life isn't.
G'Afternoon Mrs. Fitz...
I was thinking the same thing. When I was a kid, if they had the same laws as they did now, my old man would've been in and out of jail.
When I did something wrong, Man, I got my ass kicked. Nowadays, you go to jail and they'll take your kids away from you.
My son (23) and daughter (16) were never smacked in their lives. Not because of the laws, but, because I didn't want them to feel the same about me as I did my father.
Don't get me wrong, I loved him very much, just hated his personality and him kicking the @!$%# outta me when I did something as simple as get a "D" on a test or something.
His reasoning was he figured I wouldn't do whatever it was that got me in trouble as a kid, again since he kicked my ass however, all it taught me was how not to get caught again instead. LOL.
p.s.
"Love" that avatar pic of yours....
Take care ;-)
I'm just saying that you do the best parenting you can, you instill the right values in your children and hope they have the personal fortitude to live by them... but when hormones and teen love combine it takes extra vigilance and open communication to prevent building a wall and promoting rebellion that can lead to tragedies.
Oceanside is a scum pit, filled with liberals, illegals and gangs. It's no better than going to any ghetto in Los Angeles. So pardon me, if this isn't a surprise.
Yes, this IS more about PEOPLE and their PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITIES/CHOICES, rather than guns.
BTW, You can ask me any day of the week, and I can tell you EXACTLY where my 15, almost 16, year old son is.
screminmimi
Oh I agree, the goal is to get them into adulthood alive and as functional adults. Maybe someday they will come up with something that can turn those hormones off. Sometimes my wife and I joke about ours, that we should by her a vibrator just so she could understand that idiot boys can be replaced. We wouldn't do that, but it gives us a laugh.
Well, I brought up two girls and I never had to worry about them sneaking out of the house because their "hormones were raging". I also have to say the same thing about most if not all of their friends. Our children were brought up to understand that there are consequences to our actions and that we were willing to make sure that they suffered those consequences, though it was a rare necessity. We also did not coddle them and give them everything that they wanted. They were taught responsibility and how they needed to work for what they wanted at an early age. Subsequently they are now very responsible adults who never gave my ex and me any big problems to worry about. I am and have always been very proud of both of my daughters.
john- I agree 100% with what you're saying, in fact I have a little story, the other day my daughter (who is now 16) told me she should turn me in for child abuse because of neglect (her words: no food in the house) I hadn't gone grocery shopping yet, BUT there was food in the house, she just had to cook it *GASP*
CD I also TOTALLY get what you're saying, my birth parents were well at the very least so abusive i'm adopted now if that makes sense? I've never "smacked" my child (that brings up images of face slaps and the like) I would never do such a thing. But I have spanked my daughter when she was between 6-10 (before and after seemed like a dumb idea too young too old etc.) 3 swats with my hand to the bottom.
When I had my daughter my birth mother tried to be a part of my life, she actually tried to tell me (when my daughter was two) that when you don't want them to get "into something" you should "grab their hands,smack them and yell no!" I followed everything except the smack, when my daughter was little i would take hold of her hands and tell her NO in a stern voice, as she got older I would add, this will hurt you, or whatever.
Mimi- that's EXACTLY what I was trying to say, my daughter is 16, and her hormones are running all amuck lol a million percent agree with communication!
1SGFitzsWife4ID
That's funny. Mine have complained that they were hungry also and I just say "Yeah, so" I love to do the cooking so there is always food in the house. Like you said, they would just have to cook it. Silly thing about my house is that they have been doing their own laundry, the dishes and cooking since they could reach. I love the horror that they portray when they might have to do something for themselves, or even worse have to cook for the whole family. It's such abuse.
I grew up with a dad not unlike Creek Dogs's, and they don't have a clue what abuse is.
Perhaps they should pass some strick gun control laws there. Oh wait.....
What has Camp Pendleton Marine Corps base got to do with these shootings? There are plenty of other Chamber of Commerce attractions to use as reference points.
As I look out my window driving home, all the Hispanic graffiti in a once decent neighborhood......the browning of America.
This is done by probably wanna be gangsters, maybe the same will happen to them. If they did stop selling guns people would be making it in their basements. Zip guns which are home made.
Sam- I couldn't agree more... that's why I spend my time, not arguing gun laws, but lobbying to make basements illegal everywhere! lol happy st paddys day!
I'm sure the shooters had legally registered hand guns.The criminal will always get weapons no matter how many rules the gov puts into place.We'll prob never know the true cause of this shooting.There will be no wittness with enough guts to speak up.The people of this country are going nuts.It seems as though no one has any respect for life.I wonder if this area is a gang turff or drug gang area??Outlaw the semiauto rifle while over 10000 get killed with the short gun..Makes sense to me(NOT).
I listened to the testimony of a Maryland Sheriff, former patrol officer, who said that he has thousands of arrests under his belt, and not a single one involving firearms was of a legal owner of it.
Here in the land of pilosi? gun free zone. Cal. is a joke just like new york.
"Pelosi".
NBC's daily firearms control propoganda story. They got lucky this morning, it was early in the day so they can milk it for all it's worth.
Ban handguns.
takenaka,
I'm in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of ignorant people. Can we start with your keyboard?
Ban takenaka!
I think takenaka might be working for the bad guys.
I mean, think about it. He's got the same tired rhetoric, the same hackneyed one-liner time after time, and no room for rational debate.
He wants law abiding citizens to be unable to defend themselves.
Perhaps that way it will be even easier for criminals to perform home invasions, muggings, and spread general chaos!
Ohhhh taken......You've done it again however, I must say it again....................."Nope".
bill,
Love your post. Way too funny man...
You have an awesome way of putting words together that really accentuates and lights up your posts....
At 8:50 pm on a school night, my 13 & 16 year old would be reviewing their homework and getting ready for bed. Maybe a snack and a little TV before the 9:30 or 10 pm bedtime. Rules, parenting, lead by example and routine, that is how you raise children. Know where they are, who they are with, don't expect society to raise your children. WTF!
You just nailed the root of the problem, but your comment is not going to be well received. God forbid we ever rebuke the parents for shirking their responsibilities. If we accept the implications of your post (the operative words are "raise children") we lose all the reasons to ban certain types of firearms.
Kudos for speaking the truth, though!!
I agree FreeportFill, let the low lifes complain about your post, most of us can see what you posted is the truth. A lot of time has been spent on studies about teenagers and how much sleep they need. Depending on what time they need to get up at in the morning, I would say a 9 PM bedtime on school nights, and on weekends, then maybe an hour later.
But there are times when the teens sneak out of the house and the parents don't know about it. Not enough info was given. But the cop was startled about what happens at the park? Gee, start posting a cop or two there, it might help solve some problems.
That was my first thought as well - - - why was a 13-year old out in a park with a bunch of other teens at 9:00 pm on a school night? Do that many parents really not make school the top priority any longer? No wonder we are in such bad shape.
I believe in early bed time for young kids on school nights as well but i am thinking spring break
California liberalism contributed to the deaths of these kids.
Allowing thugs back out on the street is the first contribution.
Lenient judges are next.
Having no fear of coming across a lawful citizen with the capability to stop them is third.
And then I suppose you can tack on the point already made here, what where they doing out so late on a school night. Liberalism is what.
It's a shame yet another group of parents has to suffer the consequences of Liberalism. It's a shame those kids were subject to living in a state full of failed liberal ideals.
Poor kids.
JS
Sounds like you got it pegged. The old saying, "takes ONE to know ONE" comes into play here. Thanks for telling us you are a CA Lib.
My condolences to the families of the dead and wounded. As always, we will see a bunch of ban the guns comments. Reminds me of the guy who blamed the hammer for hitting his thumb and forgot to get his thumb off the nail head. We would be better served to work on the gang issue and education, rather than a feel good waste of time and money writing more laws to prevent what is already illegal.
That part of Oceanside is riddled with gang activity and problems. Lots of immigrant families living there (will NOT get into a debate about that) but that place is not safe even during the day. That part of town is notoriously full of problems and hate to say it but it's a lot of illegals and Latin gangs that live there. My guess is those guns were not legally purchased. So sick of the violence in the US. Problem is with the people and society. Everyone hates each other.
its time to look at the underlying causes of violence, because creating more and more laws (that only restrict law abiding gun owners) simply does NOT work.
there are so many more factors involved - restricting a particular type of gun based on appearance or capacity has nothing to do with an individuals propensity towards violence.
Reports: Father accidentally shoots, kills 10-month-old son in front of family
Another story right now on NBC.
Where were the parents? Where are the parents? Why are they parents?
"Mom, I'm going down to the park for some normal teen sex" "Ok, but take a condom and the 9" "Thanks Mom!" Oh...."mamacita"? Oops, I forgot my ethnic sensitivity.
bagdadjoe Come on get your hand out of the front of your pants. Where did you get sex out of this story? I forgot they were teenagers, it was after bedtime, in a park and the only thing you think of is sex. Get a life.
Illigitimate children of unmarried parents doing the same thing there creators do...Having unprotected sex with whoever stands still long enough and dealing drugs because they do not work. Someone else wanted the booty and the bounty and the gun fight is on
We have a very serious and grave situation here in America and its much deeper than guns..Its only going to get worse.. Our braindead leaders and politicians created this mess..
This has more to do with parenting than blaming politicians.
It is a multi faceted problem. First, parenting. Second, management of the criminal elements and crack down on the use of this park. Getting community support to address the issues that can reduce crime of this nature, via jobs. mentoring, religious organizations, community oriented organizations for youth. That is just a broad outline, but, we know what needs to be addressed. Controlling guns is not going to make a change in this type of situation. A community being committed to improving itself can.
We need to impeach the liberals trying to turn this country into a socialist state.
@CliffC
Very good idea. First, we impeach the conservatives that got us into this economic mess, also put on trial the GOP people who started two wars without a means to pay for them. Then when that is done, we can go after those nasty libs who are fixing this economic mess by turning us into a socialist state.
That way we can get new politicians who might work for the citizens for a change. I'm sure as a good little lap dog you would go along with that, right Cliff?
SallyAnn-4595694
Remember You king and savior Obama stated that he would be a one term president if he didn't get things turned around his first term? What happened there? Why blame the previous administration when this idiot is costing us a lot more than the previous along with taking away our rights, freedoms and using drones to kill American citizens without due process. He also turning this country into a socialistic state.
This discussion has more to do about gun violence I thought also. The socialist thing I wrote about has more to do with the liberals fears of guns in the hands of American citizens because they might revolt against the lunacy of this dictatorship we are now in.
clif
I am more afraid of a gun in your hand.
Yes, Clif is just scary.......... I think he forgot what this post is about!!!
Children being killed. Our society is degrading to the point of non-existence and we still argue about gun laws. Putting band-aids on cancers does nothing but hide the rot eating at the core of the worlds societies. When you know someone is going off the deep end, turn them in. When someone is in possession of a gun and shouldn't be, turn them in. Take care of your children and stop expecting others to raise them. If your child pulls a gun and gets themselves shot, put the blame where it belongs, on you and them. Adversity is not an excuse to give up, it is a reason to work harder. None of us is entitled to an easy life and there is no such thing as 'fair'. We are the final arbiter of our existence. Use your head for something besides a cocaine depository and your hands for something other then pulling a trigger.
We need to get rid of the liberals in law making positions as they are the ones who have made laws enabling these gangs to stay on the streets and the illegal aliens to cross our borders and stay in this country to commit crimes only to be later released by our dictator Obama. We need stricter laws to get rid of these gangstas, both death penalties for using illegal guns to commit crimes, tougher border patrol with shoot on sight anyone crossing the fence and send them back to their country of origin along with the bill for their return to the government that does not take care of their own.
@Cliff C.
You are so full of manure it's starting to run out of your ears! When the GOP had complete control of the govt from 2001 to 2007, WHY DIDN'T THEY FIX THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEM?
Now as a good little lap mutt of the low informed base of the GOP, you blame the liberals for your doing nothing to fix the problems. You are the PROBLEM. See, if you stupid conservatives would have done fixed that problem, this wouldn't have happened. It's the GOP's fault. Nice try at deflection Cliff, just isn't working this time.
SallyAnn-4595694
The immigration thing did not and will not get fixed because of the liberals who have there illegal alien nannies, concubines, gardeners, maids and chefs that are paid cash or under the table without insurance benefits and social security do not want to end illegal immigration.
You are kind of a ditz that has a hard time sticking with the subject of ending gun violence.
Are you against the death penalty? If so would you be willing to pay for the incarceration of the idiots that commit crimes using guns for the rest of their lives and yours? This is part of my point. We need to get these gang bangers and illegal aliens off the streets and end the gun violence. They are the main cause.
The Racial Component
of Crime Shootings Is Real
Another news organization, overwhelmed with dead people from criminal violence, broke ranks with the standard "news" narative and identified the real problem (along with the failed war-on-some-drugs federal jobs program) -- blacks killing other blacks -- and a breakdown in the family unit leading children into role-model-free amoral behavior:
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090920/NEWS01/909200364/10
Growing audacity among city gunmen
The News Journal (Wilmington, DE)
September 20, 2009
Byline: Adam Taylor & Ira Porter
Contact Ira Porter at 324 2890 or iporter@delawareonline.com.
Contact Adam Taylor at 324 2787 or ataylor@delawareonline.com.
These numbers were provided by the Delaware Criminal Justice
Council, a government law enforcement planning and funding group.
The council said it is seeing the same trends developing in 2009
that are revealed in the 2008 numbers, the most recent available.
140: Number of people shot
Sunday: Day of week when most shootings took place
12 to 1 a.m.: Hour when most shootings took place
THE VICTIMS
91%: Male
80%: Black
23.5%: Were 18 21 years old (the largest age group)
53%: Would not cooperate with police to find who shot them
78%: Have criminal histories
65%: Have been arrested at least twice on drug charges
37%: Have been arrested for felony weapons charges
17%: Qualify as "career criminals"
44%: Are suspected to be "actively involved" in drug trade
80%: Whose first arrest came as a juvenile
THE SUSPECTS
97%: Minority males
91%: Black males
48%: Were 18 21 years old (the largest age group)
92%: Have criminal histories
57%: Have been arrested at least twice on drug charges
81%: Have been arrested for weapons charges
43%: Qualify as "career criminals"
65%: Are suspected of being "actively involved" in drug trade
89%: Whose first arrest came as a juvenile
92%: Cases where victim and suspect were black
31%: Shooting cases cleared by the Wilmington Police Department
Use the link, read the story, get close to the truth, if you dare.
cliff c. The immigration thing did not and will not get fixed because of the liberals.......
So you think its only the liberals who have illegals working for them? Get your rose collared rightwing glasses off. Hey ask how many illegals work for the big corporate farms who received government subsidies and tax breaks. You seem to have the answers tell us how to get rid of the illegals and most important who is going to pay for it?
After reading your posts on here today I and many more on here sure would not want to live in your world.
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Cliff, here is some truth if you dare....
http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/ImageArchives?by=2561712&oid=2807538&page=1;
Sure is a lot of white people on those pages. I guess that means either white people only commit crimes, or you and I both cherry-picked news articles.
I think this is more proof that we do not need to have guns taken from legal citizens that have guns to defend themselves but rather get them out of the hands of illegal aliens aka Hispanics and blacks. These gangs are the primary reason for gun violence not granny with her gun to ward off the druggies that might break into her house or the everyday business man getting mugged on the street.
Why can't we just make laws that make it a death penalty for those using illegally owned guns to commit crimes instead of putting them in prison for a few months and let them go to do it again? If liberals think we shouldn't give people the death penalty then lets make it mandatory those that do not want the death penalty pay for the incarceration, medical care, education and feeding of these idiots? I would be willing to bet that these folks would change their minds about the death penalty quickly if they alone paid for this directly instead of the hard working taxpayers supporting both the crooks and lazy who voted in King Obama.
cliff Show me where it has been said that any guns will be taken from legal citizens? Show me just show me Please show me where it has been said someone is coming for your gun.
I can show you that the Federal Government wants to come for all guns.
Fortunately, we still have people who see the folly in this idea.
steven b I can show you that the Federal Government wants to come for all guns.
Well you forgot to show me proof that the Federal Government wants to come for all guns. That is just a statement with no proof. Time to belly up to the bar and show your proof.
A statement is just a folly if you can't prove it.
Smitty, here is your proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92e_j-PqsUc
Your turn.
Smitty?? Hello?? Are you there?? No reply??
@WilliamofRites. What's your point? Here's another story from today: "Tragedy as mother without valid driver's license accidentally backs over five children KILLING her daughter and injuring two-year-old son"
From your point of view, maybe there was a gun in the glove box that caused her to do this.
Why aren't the liberals banning cars? Drunken drivers and texters?
Because liberals drive, drink and text.
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steven b Because liberals drink and drive.
And the conservatives are just so godly it makes me want to puke.
Maybe because liberals are intelligent enough to know the difference between a mode of transportation and a weapon designed for murder.
If you are going to use the tired, NRA talking point about vehicles causing more accidents than firearms, then you must also prove that vehicles take more lives than save lives.
Gun strokers are always talking about how many guns save lives, what about how many vehicles save lives? Ambulances, fire engines, ALS advance cars, trucks delivering food, heating fuel, clothing, water, police cars, people transporting the sick and injured in their personal vehicles, what "deadly weapon" saves more lives? Vehicles or guns?
liberals are intelligent
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Those word do not go together, ever.
@WilliamofRites Why didn't you post this news: "Tragedy as mother without valid driver's license accidentally backs over five children KILLING her daughter and injuring two-year-old son" Maybe there was a gun in the glovebox that made her do this... Geez, got an agenda.
13year old girl in the park at that time...parents should get child neglect charges.
@RealityCheck911
I agree, not keeping tabs on a 13 yr old girl is neglect. It might also be considered neglect on the parents of the other kids also.
But sure am tired how the low informed lap dogs try and blame liberals of this. It's never a conservative fault. Yet they had complete govt control from 2001 to 2007, and never fixed the immigration or health problems, but could find time to cut taxes, start two wars, and borrow money to pay for those wars. Good sound economic choices, wouldn't you say?
Sally Ann
You sound like a broken record. Do you like using the term lap dogs over and over or is that the limit of your vocabulary? The democrats / liberals are always the ones that block enforcing the illegal immigration problem. Look how Obama is trying his darndest to silence the sheriff in Arizona from making arrests of illegal aliens and turning them over to ICE for deportation. He is very upset with the Arizona governor for pushing him and homeland security to do something about all the illegals coming across the border. I think the folks that want to put an end to illegal aliens coming in are Republicans. The folks in Texas are very tired of the Mexicans coming across also and they certainly are not liberals.
cliff Your the conservative/rightwing on here. What should we do with the liberals here in America. From your posts the big problem is the liberals in America. Come on big boy tell us what to do about that liberal problem?
Well, if those young'uns were armed with Kalishnikovs with 87,000 round magazines the outcome would surely have been different! Just ask Whacko Wayne. Geeez. ASHLEY JUDD (DEM-KY) 2014! Adios Mitch.
That's like electing comedians to the Senate...
Oh, yeah...... Minnesota did that didn't they? Al Franken. He couldn't make it as a comedian, so he figured what the hell, try politics. It's nothing but theatre anyway.
This is a reply to sally annes posts.i am sure you would have done nothing after 9/11.i am sure you are a bleeding heart liberal.which is the majority off the problems in this country.you i am sure do not beleive in god or at least the god in the king James bible.you probally are for gun control,abortion,and social welfare.you personally probally do not take blame personally for the outcome of these beliefs either.and you are i am sure for gay marriage.when we did not have all these things in this country we did not have all these problems.people like you are the down fall of a once great country.and this country is so broken i doubt it can be fixed.i would like to thank all people like Sally Anne.
You think Your knee jerk reactionary conservative philosophy is the answer ?
You and that view are the problem:
Newsflash: You are obsolete and that philosophy is the path backwards to regression.
Do You know the meaning of the word Anachronism ?
Awesome job, bartboy. Way to jump on the libtard bandwagon with your insults and name-calling. You libtards can't argue with facts so you just try to shut down the conversation. It's getting harder though, isn't it? People with true ideas are getting tired of your stoopid libtard tactics. We're fighting back. Stoopid libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!! Idiot. Next time try to add something of substance. Oh wait... stoopid libtard sheep have no substance.
I am not Conservative or liberal. But catlover, I have to say that your reply to bart is full of what you are accusing him of, and here lies the problem,People, people are the problem. You guys act like 5 year olds. Guns don't kill, people do, cigarettes don't kill you unless you smoke them, food will not make you obese unless you eat tons of it at a time. Cars don't kill, people driving them do. Kids dont go out with guns at night unless their parents are criminals, or neglectful or whatever, and on and on and on. So, take the reins of your own life, maybe, clean your own house before you judge someone. Quit asking the government to take care of you, take care of yourself. Ignorance leads to child like behavior when it comes to grown up issues. OOOHHH Im afraid, please protect me and take my rights away.
Again - huh? WTF? Idiot!
This is the way of life in parts of the United States. Some places are very good while others are extremely dangerous. Usually, the lower socioeconomic areas of the nation face very high rates of violent crime. Drugs are very prevalent and it leads to violent behavior In some of the cities people cannot even go outside during the day without the threat of being mugged, robbed or shot. They are in constant fear for their lives.
Read "minority". sshh... don't let the secret out. The libtards will insult you and call you names. No truth allowed here at lib-central.
umm, why are you here then, your crappy insulting post let the donkey punch the elephant
Again? Really? Are you my own personal insulter? Awesome. Thanks for the attention, libtard. HAHAHAHAHA Stoopid libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!! Idiot.