part of the deal. two go down ...three get released.

a girl should be able to get as drunk as she wants, whenever she wants, with whoever she wants, without getting assaulted.

Rape is rape, shouldn't matter if the female is from West Virginia or not! Hang the bastards.

Remember way back when ..when sports promoted morality, honor and dignity?.....Ask yourself...what happened?

rockmebritney

a girl should be able to get as drunk as she wants, whenever she wants, with whoever she wants, without getting assaulted.

To a point Britany...but remember she was only 16 and not legally allowed. So i ask who's house was the party allowed to be at? around here that's a very ,very, big deal As the homeowner is totally and completely responsible for what happens on their premises both legally and financially. How many party's for underage people would YOU allow if you could lose your house as well as go to jail ? Does this approach stop teenage drinking?.....no of course not...(Don't be a fool people remember when you wa that age?).... but it sure cut it down around here.

Nobody deserves to be taken advantage of no matter what. Her being underage and drunk doesn't mean these two had the right to rape her. Who cares if she is a repeated drunkard. Everyone has rights and if these guys did take advantage of that then they are guilty.

I'm reading now where there are no videos but I actually saw a video on Facebook - what is going on?

"What the heck kind of parents do any of them have that they let this go on - why was a 16 year old girl out all night, drinking? Her parents sure failed in her upbringing - where were the parents of the boys that they were out all night? What is going on in that town? A bunch of unfit parents who let their kids run wild and then wonder what happened. Sounds like the girl has a history of drinking - at 16!!!! this girl needs some supervision and to be held responsible for the her actions - One night of stupidity can change lives for ever - kids need to think about this."

Why are you so focused on the girl? SHE is the victim in this case--RAPE IS RAPE and your attitude speaks of the 'boys will be boys' and 'it wasn't any big deal--she's lying' mentality that continues to tell our boys that is it OK to rape. Why aren't we more focused on teaching our boys that it is NEVER okay to rape? If we don't teach boys that it's not okay to rape, we are letting THEM down, as well as our girls.

Meeche and IAScooterTramp (irony in your name...label yourself as a tramp and accuse a 16 year old rape victim of being at fault for the crimes of others as if you have some moral latitude), I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and accuse you of trolling. That is the only way to let you off easy.

Let's hope a slap on the wrist is NOT in their future! Punk azz kids that think they can kidnap and sexually assault an unconscious naked girl are just waiting for their next opportunity.

These two need to be made to understand their bahvior is not acceptable in a civilized society. To instill that concept they need to cool their jets for at least 3 years in a nasty juvie jail.

I hope the victim has learned to stay somewhat sober when she's partying.

Little bastards are lucky they are in Juvenile jail. They need to go to real jail and see what real "rape crews" do to rapists.......

I want the people who tried to cover it up brought to justice!

I'm thinking they'll walk. Two small town "heroes" and local sons blow-off some steam (as young people will do, boys will be boys, etc.) with some drunk girl from WV.

If the sentence were determined by popular vote, then maybe they walk. But the same judge who found them guilty will also issue their sentence.

He found the guilty. What makes you think he won't sentence them to prison?

The only question in my mind, is how much time they get. My guess is 3 to 5, because of their youth and because the sexual assault was only digital and not actual sexual intercourse.

But if the boys are convicted, then she should be convicted of underage drinking and also of something in the sex department.

So, Terry, if you pass out and somebody digitally rapes you, what sexual crime have you committed?

BTW: underage drinking is a misdemeanor offense, and seldom prosecuted.

A girl should also be able to walk down a dark alley at night dressed like a hooker, but I wouldn't recommend it.

as young people will do, boys will be boys, etc

Only a first class moron would think this is a valid excuse for their actions

...and led to questions about the influence of the football team, a local source of a pride.

That's the problem with small towns like Steubenville. They put the local high school football team on a pedestal, which makes the members of the team think that they are so special they can get away with anything. They spend the rest of their lives reliving their glory days on the team. So sad for one's life to be over before the age of 20.

this is a case that the only reason there is a trial, etc. is some idiot had to post these videos and of course her friends, etc. saw them so then she had no choice but to yell rape!

Terry - you are obviously a 15-year-old male. You don't seem to understand that (1) nearly everyone involved was under the legal drinking age, (2) regardless of the victim's age, it is illegal to sexually assault anyone, (3) we don't blame the victim for the crime.

dman, I usually disagree with your posts, but you sure got it right this time.

"this is a case that the only reason there is a trial, etc. is some idiot had to post these videos and of course her friends, etc. saw them so then she had no choice but to yell rape! There has been many times that a girl drinks, get's aroused and lets something happen to her and then she can go back and blame it on the booze."

I've read some pretty disgusting things on here before but this is by far the most vile comment I've ever heard !! Terry you're either an immature child or you just don't have one ounce of intelligence !! I pray to God you never have children but if you do and this happens to your daughter I guarantee you won't think booze aroused her !!

All this...and lots of other social disorder..comes from the sharing every moment of your lives on the new social media....now days kids are rated by how much and how explicit the posts are...the guy taking the video should do time too...just like in the recent case of a girl being mob attacked and filmed...kids are a sick bunch these days.......

@IA.ScooterTramp - lets get it straight a) sports TRIES promoted morality, honor and dignity BUT its up to players to follow that code b) these two boys would rape regardless of whether or not they sports stars...they are animals and should be treated as such c) Only reason this came to light was because of technology , i.e.- social media . Nothing has changed rape has always existed and will continue to do so.

the kids are guilty, they will serve some juvenile time; their case will be sealed ,(a juvenile conviction can not be used against you once you are a adult, except at a sentencing hearing for a adult offense; problem ,kids and alcohol cause death in auto, unwanted pregnancy, and un wanted sex; find out who served this girl the alcohol and nail the bastard.

Does anyone else find it interesting that in a small town that justice is still trying to be served, right or wrong, while all over this country this crap happens daily in the cities and is basically ignored?

Even people like Terry can serve as a juror; this is what's wrong with our justice system. We ought to have mandatory IQ and moral standards tests before serving as jury.

Quite possible the girl has been referred to juvenile court as unruly or delinquent (or even deprived) in connection with the alcohol use. In most states those proceedings are closed.

Some years ago, during a very difficult time in my life, there were repeated instances of theft and vandalism at my home. It took awhile before I could secure at least the inside of my house, and I do remember cops blaming me when I was not able to adequately secure my property.

Jo Ann-666954

a girl should be able to get as drunk as she wants, whenever she wants, with whoever she wants, without getting assaulted.

So many things wrong with what you wrote.

First, this girl is a minor. She has no business drinking alcohol. The same goes for the guys involved.

Second, true any adult can get as drunk as they want, whenever they want and with whoever they want BUT usually driving is involved and/or sober people usually take advantage of drunk people. This assault didn't surprise me at all. It's an accident waiting to happen.

THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT! What inanity or stupidity prompts you to even consider using that word?

It was a criminal assault. The fact that it doesn't surprise you is indicative of the underlying problem.

I can hear the "whoosh" as this point goes over many, many heads.

I would have given the death sentences to both those "beasts" for their heinous crime as they have committed a very serious offense against a person/teenager's will. Both are worse than animals and must have been hanged. Shame on them!

why every time something happen they ask were was the parents ,people need to stop being ignorant rape is rape ,,no matter what......

These boys need to go to prison and spend some time with cell mate Big Bubba. A man who hasn't seen a woman in 20 years. That way when these punks get out of jail. Their farts will echo like the Grand Canyon.

Drunk or sober, a 16 yr old is not able to give consent. And that means consent for ANY sexual contact. These boys are all guilty...and beyond that are evil. Regardless of their legal punishment (of lack thereof) who would ever want to date, marry, or have children with any of them. What profession can they hope to have? What neighborhood would want them? Remembering their names and faces and their cowardly acts is how society can punish them. All of them. Confession is not exoneration.

I am glad this case has gotten the national exposure it has. There are some among us who think that they have the right to take advantage of other people with no consequences at all. Maybe this experience has taught them that their actions really could land them in jail and destroy their families.

#1.28 Marie - For anyone to claim the GIRL is not responsible at all is a shame. ... she acted irresponsibly and needs to get smart and start making better decisions. I hate that we women have to be so cautious all the time,

I disagree with your statement. You can't lump responsible thinking capabilities of girls and women into the same category. A 16-year-old does not have the maturity to make responsible decisions for herself. Her brain is still developing at that age, and the 'reasoning' part is the last to be put in place, which happens at about age 25.

stopfreeloaders

One white one black, at least that takes the Rev Al out of the equation.

The racist troll strikes again.

Girls have been raped, while dressed primly, not drunk, at any age from 1 to 99. Who is to say she didn't get GHB (date rape drug). Should you watch your drinks at all time in the presence of men? Blaming the victim seems to still be very frequent, so frequent that rape is massively unreported. It is seemingly always the girls "fault" no matter how she acts and never the fault of the poor boy who cannot control their runaway penis... (they couldn't find the parking brake for it...)

rockin moroccan -- What a scumbag of a response. The boys are fully responsible for their own choices and actions. It doesn't matter if she was drunk -- in fact, the fact that she was drunk should have made them keep their hands off of her. Other than a creep, who would take advantage of a girl in that situation? And why didn't ANY of the bystanders step up and stop this? There is something seriously wrong there. If a friend of mine had gotten that drunk when I was in school (actually some did), and someone tried to do that to them (none of the guys in our group was that twisted - thank goodness), I'd have stepped up to prevent it. As would have most of those I knew.

The male of the species is not some base animal running around with a permanent erection looking for any available place to put it. They are human beings, and as such completely and utterly responsible for their own actions. They need to do jail time, and anyone who'd try to justify what they did needs their head examined at the very least -- or to have their own actions looked at to see if they have done the same to someone and need to be arrested.

Enneagram1

That's funny! I know what your saying, but A good percentage of all humanity never develops "responsible thinking capabilities" at any age.

In the court the one little ba$tard says "I'd like to apologize to her family, [the] community. No pics should have been sent. That's all sir," said Mays. So basically, all he is sorry for is the fact the he took pictures...never even apologized to the girl. What a LOSER!

I disagree with the mother of the girl, Good morals and good behavior CAN be taught by parents. some people naturally have good morals though.

Good thing for these guys that they are white, otherwise they might be facing life or even execution.

And on a good note, the prison team is always looking for a few good "tight ends".

I see both sides of this issue. The boy's actions were criminal. The girl's actions were stupid. There are many things we can do, but should we? So it is easy to say that a girl can walk down a road at any time of the night with barely any clothing and not expect to get raped, but is this sensible behavior, and is it realistic?

For a girl going to a party with the express purpose of getting loaded and expecting nothing bad to happen is foolish.

We give athletes a ridiculous amount of attention in this country and in doing so give them power and immunity from normal behavior. Society is making these boys criminals by putting them on pedestals.

Marie485962

For anyone to claim the GIRL is not responsible at all is a shame. How often do we hear that some girl or woman gets really drunk and gets raped? Often enough for any of us women to be smart and take preventive action and not get stupidly drunk at a party.

While that absolutely does not justify what these two young men did to her, by saying she has no responsibility at all does not provide her with the recognition that she acted irresponsibly and needs to get smart and start making better decisions. I hate that we women have to be so cautious all the time, but whether we like it or not, we live in a world of humans...to not be cautious in our behavior is just stupid and irresponsible.

And I just really don't understand at the end of the day how no parents were charged. These are kids. They need to be supervised and none of them should have had access to alcohol.

There is no doubt that getting drunk was not a good decision for this girl, but the boys are 100% responsible for the rape. People like you minimize the responsibility for rape by giving rapists excuses for their behavior. Any male should be taught that there should be no doubt that the answer is not only "yes", but an enthusiastic "yes", free of coercion, free of threats, free of any abuse of power.

I think your view of parental responsibility is foolish. Most of us try very hard as parents but realize that we cannot keep them in sight and under control all of the time. Sometimes our kids lie to us. Sometimes they do not act as we taught them to act. Sometimes they are themselves adults and have kids of their own before they value our advice.

What the hell is digital penetration? If they where charged with rape then why is it described as digital. I can understand reading most of the comments why are countries judicial system is so messed up. Again there are those you think because you are not from an affluent family and poor then you are some kind of second class citizen and you deserve what people do to you. It's unbelievable there are those you are vindicating those kids by saying boys will be boys. I for one am tired of kids in their teens committing crimes and using their young age to defend what they have done. I personally don't care about the kids age because we all know from an early age the difference from right and wrong so if they commit a crime then they should be held responsible for their adult like actions. Their is so much blame to go around in this case and I think all and I mean all those who took part and allowed this to happen should be held responsible for their inaction. I would also bet that all those who watched and took part in this rape have had a religious upbringing so try and tell me that religion is the way we should live our lives. If this happened to my daughter I surely wouldn't forgive them and I wouldn't care for those of faith who would tell me to forgive because it's God's will.

Wow and you wonder why rape is so under reported. It's attitudes like this that prove to victims that it's "their fault" pathetic. Each and every one of you pointing your fingers at the victim. Are guys so incapable of controlling their bodies that they just penetrate anything at any time? No, they're not. But you get the ones who think that because of their status, they can do whatever they want. I'm glad this judge didn't bow down to the "good ol boy" system that ONLY benefits white males with money.

To the people accusing the victim, tell me how you'll feel when your daughter is raped and people sling out "well she's just white trash with horrible parents." Not so fun now is it? You really have no idea how many women are raped. But I bet if you got your heads out of your asses long enough to figure it out, the numbers would blow your teeny tiny little brains. Seriously, have fun explaining to your daughter she's just a trashy slut and it's all her fault. Oh wait....you'll be the first to cry HELP!

IA Scooter Tramp:

You asked, "Remember way back when ..when sports promoted morality, honor and dignity?.....Ask yourself...what happened?"

The problem is, sports NEVER promoted morality, honor, and dignity. Big Ed Delahanty of the Phillies got drunk, and then tried to walk across the railroad bridge over Niagara Falls in 1903. He fell to his death. Babe Ruth was a drunk and a womanizer. Hank Wilson, a star of the Cubs in the 1920s and 1930s, drank himself to death. Mickey Mantle and Billy Martin, stars of the 1950s, were also drunks. The difference is, in the period you are remembering, it wasn't athletes that were promoting morality, honor and dignity, it was the media who portrayed a white-washed image of athletes.

Ah ... nothing like having a rape conviction on your police rap sheet - regardless if one from juvenile court.

Rape? ... young man you do not know the meaning of this - yet! Wait for what's coming to you for the rest of your life!

They were guilty as hell. Now justice needs to be served in some jail time.

@Glenn,

Really a sad situation. Two lives are now ruined. These guys will have to carry the sexual predator badge the rest of their lives, which will close many doors to them.

First, only 'two' lives riuned? I assume you're only referring to the males in this case? What about the life of the victim? Doesnt hers count as well? Also, if they did the crime then they should certainly 'carry the sexual predator badge' for the rest of their lives. Do you see a problem with that? And if THEIR own actions cause certain doors to be 'closed' to them....so be it. You make it sound as if the males are the 'victims' in your opening statements with no concern for the female victim. And perhaps thats part and parcel to some of the problems we face in our society.

Deano is turning over in his grave right now.

@ Glenn-974637

Shedding tears for 'two lives now ruined' with the closing of 'many doors to them'?

Well, let's see ... nearly 7 Billion people on the planet - most struggling to exist; sizeable of them starving - and we are to shed tears for these two coddled in relative greater comforts and opportunities than the rest of humanity? ... Gee, what a tough call!

Future "hard core Criminals" with an attitude. Football players with arrogance, still being idolized.

It will be hard to entirely change their personalities, and attitudes toward women, treating them as just "meat". Did anyone see how they dragged her on the ground like barbarians after the rapes?

After this stint, they will be on the "road again. If just one turns around for the better, it would be a Miracle.

Physical assault was going on with that girl being to drunk, or even possibly drugged, to know what was happening or to consent to anything. Her "friends" were anything but as they did nothing to help her and turned against her when it became apparent there was going to be legal trouble. It is my understanding the girls who testified against her attended school with the football players while the victim was from across the state line. I imagine they had some other fish to fry when it came to her and the football team involved.

There should be no blaming the victim. Even if she made poor choices, she should not have to fear being raped and abused while she was with other high school kids. All the boys involved didn't get taught the lesson that it is never OK to take advantage of someone who is not capable of giving consent and others probably didn't learn that it is OK to stand up to even the star football players. I would bet that some of the kids didn't do anything because of who those involved were- members of the esteemed football team. It seems the entire town holds that team up as something above everything else. Just the football stadium should tell people that. A big, fancy stadium that holds 10,000 people in a town that only boasts a 20,000 population is a big clue to what this town holds most dear. And it isn't the safety of young women. Too many adults helped in trying to cover this up and keep the players out of trouble. Adults that knew a crime had taken place and did nothing. One of the parties the girl was at was reportedly held at an assistant football coach's house. What? Are you kidding me? There are reports that the high school football team are allowed to drink after hours in one of the local drinking establishments. Is there any wonder alcohol plays a big part in anything these high schooler's do?

As to those of you who insist the girl should face legal repercussions because she was underage drinking- you are trying to give the boys an out. She may have been drinking- it appears all the kids were- but she should have been able to do so without fear of being raped. Sounds like they would be charging many teens with MIP if they went after her for that. However, I think she has paid a higher price than anyone for what happened to her and will pay the price for the rest of her life. Rape is not something you forget or that goes away. I think too many others didn't get charged that could have stepped up and stopped what was being done that night. And where were the adults?

Sorry Glenn but you cannot protect your own pants, these 2 boys and others ruined this girl's life by taking advantage of her when she could not fight back. Their life should be labled as Sexual Offenders for life as that is why they have done.

And sorry judge but you acted rresponibly in their sentence---these kids should be in Juvvie (a restricted type of play ground) until the age of 21. 1 year will NOT TEACH THEM THE EVIL WAYS OF WHAT THEY DID! Basically what you Your Honor sentenced them to "Was a slap these on the hand" for physically abusing another!

The 17 year old would have gone to jail if he were months older and labeled as a Sexual Offender but as young boys they get off basically scott free. 1 year---big deal. Your Honor you are sending a very poor message to all boys under 18 years of age

Curious why the parents providing all that Booze were not prosecuted as well for contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor!

John Q Public- "boys will be boys" ??? This is acceptable to you? Are you saying that males are incapable of controlling themselves much like a dog in heat? How sad and pathetic for you.

Bring back the chastity belt, and put them on the men.

I still cant believe that some people get on here and defend this punks! This is just another example of how our youth have lost touch with reality. There is too much evidence against these young men to not be found guilty. I'll tell you one thing, they are lucky it wasn't my daughter! I say hang em'! They need to be made an example of so young people will get off their little "social spaceships" and come back to a moral existence.

brenda

Certainly the girl has responsibility. She is responsible for the fact that she got drunk. I'm sure she regrets that choice. She bears no responsibility for the rape .... none.

Lovesdogs said "Regardless of all the laws enacted, men and women are not equal and never will be." It is that attitude that holds women back. Until you understand that we are all equal, we won't be.

Jamie-2626566

I still cant believe that some people get on here and defend this punks! This is just another example of how our youth have lost touch with reality. There is too much evidence against these young men to not be found guilty. I'll tell you one thing, they are lucky it wasn't my daughter! I say hang em'! They need to be made an example of so young people will get off their little "social spaceships" and come back to a moral existence.

Jamie, you remind me of the witch trials in Salem. Nobody deserves to be hanged, what they do deserve is time in Juvenal detention to think about what they did. Get real, don't go all drama on this and use proper judgement. Yes they did wrong and deserve time which they will get, but not a life sentence. Also, I feel this teen girl needs a strong talking to by her parents on showing good judgment. Use common sense and don't blow this out of proportion and make this a woman's lib movement thing.

When I saw these two defendants sitting there, they were boopin', poopin' and laughing especially Ma'Lik, that will be a great name for him in prison ....... shame on these two guys for taking advantage of this girl; if they would only have tried to help her they would have been heroes, but instead, they are now felons.

Well, now it's time to pay the price and it won't be easy or fun for them, three lives have changed forever! As for the boppin' and poppin', now I see this Ma'Lik guy crying ....... what happened to the smug, punk, that was laughing and grinning? Just you wait pal, it's just begun and Bubba is ready for his new wife, enjoy.

No morals in sports. Never has been. Media simply built up athletes are role models. Often athletes disappoint as role models. Too much money and attention leads to bad behavior at times. Especially young people who haven't learned to control themselves fully. Heck, adult males rape. How can we expect our young men to act differently? When one out of every four women are sexually assaulted during their lives, it means that most go unreported. It also means that one out of every four men are rapists. That should scare the hell out of all us women. Just think, you are in a grocery store with a rapist, Walmart with a rapist, a movie theater with many rapists, a restaurant with many rapists, a football field with many rapists. There is no public place a woman can be without a rapist around the corner. So yes, we have to be aware of our surroundings at all times because one out of every four men cannot control themselves. But it is never our fault when it does happen. It is theirs and theirs alone. This stinks. Wonder if this will ever stop.

Hey Nissan, there's plenty of trailer trash in Ohio! West Virginia isn't special in that aspect.

The_Hitman

When I saw these two defendants sitting there, they were boopin', poopin' and laughing especially Ma'Lik, that will be a great name for him in prison ....... shame on these two guys for taking advantage of this girl; if they would only have tried to help her they would have been heroes, but instead, they are now felons.

Well, now it's time to pay the price and it won't be easy or fun for them, three lives have changed forever! As for the boppin' and poppin', now I see this Ma'Lik guy crying ....... what happened to the smug, punk, that was laughing and grinning? Just you wait pal, it's just begun and Bubba is ready for his new wife, enjoy.

You do realize it is a juvenile detention center they will go to and not prison right? So buba will not be waiting for them. Grow up and stop trying to act big, you only look small.

#1.56 Don - Any male should be taught that there should be no doubt that the answer is not only "yes", but an enthusiastic "yes", free of coercion, free of threats, free of any abuse of power.

Nope. A minor cannot make a contract with anybody, including situation as you described, which would be, in fact, a contract. This girl was a minor.

For those saying "shame on the girl" you don't know if she was drugged or coerced into drinking too much. We weren't there, we don't know why or how she ended up that drunk, and to say anything negative about her "decisions" is to give an excuse to these 2 POS kids for their actions.

Of course it's not smart to drink to the point of blacking out but you should NEVER have to worry about being assaulted if you do so. And sexual assault is about power, not sex, and men often pick women who are drunk or dressed provocatively in order to justify their actions.

Fact is, if you can't control yourself regardless of how naked or drunk a woman/girl is then you are nothing but a wild animal who operates only on baser instincts and we shouldn't allow wild animals free reign in our society. They should be locked up.

To Mrs Mays and Mrs. Richmond,

Although my heart goes out to you for the pain your are feeling you must know by know by now that Yes you have failed to raise your boys to respectful of another and as a result you have raised Scum.

We can only pray that your other children are raised to be repsectful to any and everyone, whether they are drunk or soper.

When your boys get out many of us can only pray that you do not hold them to your heart and coddle them excusing the fact that they did RAPE ANOTHER!

Yet I am forced to question---where were you when they were growing up, were you too busy cheering them while failing to pay attention to what they were developing into---boys who felt as if nothing could ever bring them down or affect them negatively---including their higher than thou behaviorial attitude!.

sillyshrinks:

Good comments!---although it is good the Judge sentenced them as "Adults".

They were brutal to this girl. A "Juvie" Hall is a temporarily place for soft crimes---by teens---it is a place where boys or girls are somewhat coddled along the way during their stay, having some freedom..

The fact the Judge sentenced them to one year in Jail says everything---they were acting and doing hard core Adult Crimes. Seeing the harder side of life may turn them around. Hopefully.

The girl is not too blame.. the guys are only sorry they got busted. They thought just because they were popular football stars they could get away with it.

Doesn't matter what she looks like, how she dresses or where she lives. No girl is at fault for being raped.

Those boys knew the gamble they took when they made the decision to rape that girl.

They are not sorry they did it, or they would not have done it in the first place. I'd also bet my life that they bragged about it afterwards.

For one thing, these fellows were juvenile offenders. Their records will most likely be sealed. That rape may never appear on their records, simply because they were "young."

LovesDog---no one said that girls could DO whatever they want, whenever they want, with whomever they want. The statement was that a girl should be able to get DRUNK without worrying about being assaulted when she was, especially when she is with FRIENDS OR CLASSMATES. How often do you hear about a guy getting raped when HE was drunk? Did your buddies or even girls in your group ever pounce on YOU if you were blotto? Or paw you without your permission? Why is a guy's personal space so precious when he is sh*tfaced and a girl's personal space is up for grabs!!!! It would be nice to see a justice system where a woman can dispense punishment to her rapist. THAT would be the best kind of healing for her. Hand her a broomhandle and let her publicly punish that which committed the offense.

I just got up and I must aay I am a bit surprised. I didn't think they would be convicted but I am shocked that they were. However, those who want to blame her, let's look at the case. I believe she was drugged, and that is why she doesn't remember anything and why she was so groggy, add that to the fact that these morons or their friends put stuff on the internet and the fact that one of the boy's mother didn't want charges to be filed. Too bad they were tried as juveniles but the good thing is regardless of the records being sealed, it doesn't matter because everybody knows their names due to the story. Also, I would like to see the person (I believe one of the coaches) get in trouble for the party.

mb-757763

For those saying "shame on the girl" you don't know if she was drugged or coerced into drinking too much. We weren't there, we don't know why or how she ended up that drunk, and to say anything negative about her "decisions" is to give an excuse to these 2 POS kids for their actions.

Of course it's not smart to drink to the point of blacking out but you should NEVER have to worry about being assaulted if you do so. And sexual assault is about power, not sex, and men often pick women who are drunk or dressed provocatively in order to justify their actions.

Fact is, if you can't control yourself regardless of how naked or drunk a woman/girl is then you are nothing but a wild animal who operates only on baser instincts and we shouldn't allow wild animals free reign in our society. They should be locked up.

Why was she even drinking at all? Fact, she is responsible for her own actions. She showed poor judgment going to a party like this at her age and drinking. Did she deserve what she got? No, but she did show poor judgment. Deal with that fact and move on.

Fact is, that if a teen gets drunk at a high school style party without being with friends to help her, then she has shown she makes poor decisions. Also poor judgment of male friends to hang around. There is enough blame to go around for both parties.

Yes, I am glad the two boys are going away for along time, wish the rest there wasn't given immunity for their statements as well and charged accordingly for allowing it to happen. Regardless of what will happen to the defendants, I think she needs to get a serious talk to by her parents. A talk the apparently is way overdue.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brenda1964 - - go fetch me a sandwich, ju-v is no walk trough the park these days, but you know that don't you? You seem to know everything else, hey, easy on the mayo and make it snappy.

Hey perhaps you and these guys could be pen-pals? They do allow that in ju-v right? Sounds like a good fit for you.

Me small? HAHA!!!!! I'm 6'3" big hands, big feet and well, you know the rest .......

This argument that you guys are having is silly. In a true moral sense, they were all wrong.

The parents should know what their kids were up to, including a chaperone.

The person who got them the alcohol was the enabler.

The underage girl for drinking too much and loosing her faculties.

The boys for raping her.

And those that did not stop any of these things from happening.

The answer IS all of the above. They are all guilty in the truest sense for one thing or another, it is simply the degree and severity of being wrong. Had the parents known what was going on, it never would have happened. Had they not gotten the alcohol, it most likely would not have happened. Had the girl not gotten plastered, it most likely would not have happened. If the boys had morals, it would not have happened. And if anyone there had morals they would have stepped in to stop it from happening.

The only one in this situation that is right is the judge, but in the purest sense, they should all be held accountable. Why has right and wrong become such a grey area?

Enneagram,

You say that a 16 year old girl can't possibly possess the mental faculty to make the smart decision and not drink and go to a party with a bunch of drunk boys, because the brain doesn't fully develop until 25. If that's the case, then apparently the boys shouldn't be held responsible for their actions either since their brains weren't fully developed either.

Just because your brain still has a little developing to do, doesn't mean you have to be an idiot. BTW, the fact that their brains aren't fully developed is all the more reason to keep them all away from alcohol.

Does that mean we are all equally different, or different in the same way?

I see the liberal attitude of blame casting not blame sharing, Several facts need to be observed bad choices were made by all.

#1 bad choich alcohol and drugs.

#2 bad choice no supervision.

#3 no accountability.

#4 just being there in the first place.

Had the girl not have been there then this would not have happened. how many of you people posting are guilty of at least 1 of the situations that allowed this thing to happen, this never should have happened but it did and it has before and it will again because people are stupid and getting stupider as the time goes on, grow some morals and teach what is right for a change. they are kids all of them and none of them should have been there, this whole thing is a lack of parenting, people need to start raising their own kids, families need to start being families, society is sick it has a case of liberal insanity, needs a dose of conservative discipline, accountability and some good old fashioned moral judgement, kids go to the state baby sitters (school) to learn life's values to a liberal that means teach them to put Rubbers on Cucumbers and Bananas, then you wonder why they demand free rubbers be distributed, then you wonder why they behave the way they do when you taught them to behave that way to begin with and now in Chicago they think they need to start teaching kids sex ed in Kindergarten, is that so you can create a even sicker society then already created. teach them really young so you can program them to think exactly the way the liberals want them to think, no right, no wrong, no morals, Public education sucks, and if you send your kids to private school some liberal will come along and challenge the private school to change it into something more liberal. and win the case in a liberal court. don't tell me our society is not under attack by liberals. get used to it the future will belong to the liberals and it will be one big happy orgie like it or not. they are moving so fast now that you can watch the change like its a car race.

The guys deserved what they got no woman or women deserve to be raped by any guy period....

They need at least 10 years. They have sentenced 11 year olds as adults! Crying shame they just get a smack on the wrist. As for the girl, yep she screwed up however NO ONE asks to be RAPED! I am so tired of boys who play sports (even pro) get away with rape, abuse, animal cruelty etc..should NEVER be able to play again and should be JAILED for aLONG time!

From a local report:

Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said more charges in the case could be forthcoming. He intends to call a grand jury to hear more evidence. "We cannot bring finality to this case without convening a grand jury," he said. He said there were 16 people who had refused to talk to investigators.

Now let us hope every last one who had anything to do with thr rape of a drugged girl ends up behind bars!

I think they should be charged for necrophilia. /s/ But did you see that pic of them carrying her half dead body to another room to rape her some more?

"I have pity for you both...she concluded"

I don't.

I AScooterTramp:

Indeed you are correct!---what has happened to all the Pro Athletes, including well-known College ones (role models for kids and adults) today--there are so many criminals among them.

It is the WIN or NOTHING attitude from the Owners and the Coaches of these Team Sports---it doesn't matter what they do on the outside of life--it is the "Field" that counts.

Did a lot of the Pros really study at College--some of them very hard Academics--What are they taking as Educational Courses---? Law, or Basket Weaving. For them, it's a "Ball". both ways---

The lack of common sense here is appalling, these young men raped her, period. No excuses, no acceptable reasons. Was she drunk? Yes. Should that matter? NO. Unless she was a WILLING participant, it was rape, period. Now, before y'all point out her age, maybe you should check some facts first. In W. VA the age of consent is 16, so yes she was "of age". Does this matter to the outcome? NO, she was incapable of making an informed consent in her condition. Sorry guys, and any women supporting these rapists, I don't care if she said yes when she was sober, once she was as drunk as reported to have been, her ability to make an informed consent is gone. Hell, even if she were sober and had simply changed her mind, if she then said "NO" then the answer is NO! I hope that the state keeps both these animals locked up as long as they can, the judge was lax in only giving them 1 & 2 yrs in juvie. Also, the fact that she was underage to be drinking, has absolutely NO bearing on this situation, the young men in question shoulder all the blame.

One other thing, I noted that, at least in the case of Mays, there is absolutely no remorse for what he did, he is only sorry he was caught. His own words only apologize for posting pics.

"I'd like to apologize to her family, [the] community. No pics should have been sent. That's all sir," said Mays.

As for Richmond, his "apology" falls short and sounds much the same.

"I'd like to apologize to you people. I had no intentions to do anything, I'm sorry to put you through this — I'm sorry, I didnt... " said Richmond as he broke down crying.

No intentions? But he did it anyway? "I'm sorry, I didn't..." Didn't what? Didn't think you'd get caught? Sounds entirely to contrived to me.

And to brenda1964, if you think rapes do not occur in juvie, you are sadly uninformed as to the state of the corrections system.

I don't condone what the two boys did and the book should be thrown at them. However talk about the pot calling the kettle black. "This does not define who my daughter is. She will persevere, grow, and move on". Well what about you mama? Allowing your daughter to attend a non chaperoned party where she drank alcohol and got drunk. Take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself is this how you want your daughter to grow up? There is no way my parents would have let me attend a party like that. Yes, mama you are just as much to blame allowing her to be in that situation.

#1.93 Katy - then apparently the boys shouldn't be held responsible for their actions either since their brains weren't fully developed either.

No, it's not apparent at all. We have laws in place regarding rape. Those laws take precedence over whether or not they could have used better judgement in their actions.

It irks me to see so many of you faulting the girl. What if she were 19, and waiting at a bus stop, after working a late shift? Would she be faulted for being outside, alone? Amazing how many of you cry about how muslims are so terrible to women, but YOU are far worse! You are hypocritical *&(^%$#s, to place any blame on a victim! You want to place blame on a women for being assaulted? Get the &^$% out of this country, and go live in an Islamic country, where they still stone rape victims. You &^%$*(s will more than fit it.

Good afternoon Scooter, 217 up arrows can't be wrong!

The only thing these perverse little cretins are sorry for is that they got caught. The real lesson they've taken away from this - if we're going to rape a girl or woman in the future, just make sure not to get caught on film. If the girl was underage and drinking, that was her mistake - but that was her ONLY mistake. No girl or woman deserves to be raped.

If you're a grown woman, you should be able to go to a party with friends and enjoy a couple drinks without having to worry that some pathetic loser is going to slip drugs in your drink - 'cos that's the only way he can get a woman - knock her out first. I'm sick of hearing that BS 'boys will be boys' excuse. Any guy who offers that excuse ought to have his cajones cut off. Any woman who is dumb enough to say that (or something similar) is a traitor to her gender.

I've seen way too many guy and boys have this attitude - it's like they try to use their wang as a Get Out Of Jail Free card. Why, they just couldn't help themselves, they couldn't control themselves, 'cos they're just slaves to their testosterone. BOLLOCKS. If that was the case, you'd see guys killing each other in fits of road rage way more often, beating the crap out of each other over parking spaces way more often, etc. You don't see that - because they CAN control their behavior. They aren't slaves to testosterone. They just assault women and girls, beat us up, because they can. Society allows them to.

I think women and girls should start giving guys/boys a taste of their own medicine. Every time a girl or woman is raped in circumstances like this their apologists always say - "Well, if she didn't want it to happen, she shouldn't have been drinking in front of them, she shouldn't have passed out. She brought it on herself. She asked for it."

The next time a group of women/girls are at a party and some guy/boy gets plastered in front of them, or passes out, they should haul his butt back to a bedroom - shove a cucumber up his rear end, better yet, a baseball bat. Guys have done that to girls and women before. Then, when he shows up at the hospital, whining and crying with his butt torn to pieces, the women/girls can say the same thing - "Hey, he shouldn't have been drinking in front of us. He shouldn't have passed out. He asked for it."

I'd like guys to think about that. Imagine your entire life being like that. Every time you go out in public, go to a party, when you walk in and see a group of women or girls standing there. Knowing you'd better be on your best behavior, keeping one eye on your drink at all times or having to get a new one, because you know there's always the chance one of those women/girls, or some of them, are going to decide - oh he's flirting too much, he's drunk one too many beers. He must be dreaming of a reaming. Imagine coming around, finding yourself tied to a bed, with a bunch of women or girls assaulting you like that, laughing all the while. Doesn't sound like much fun - does it.

A couple of animals

#1.107Arthur - A couple of animals

Please us a different description. Animals don't behave like these barbarians did.

To me rape is when you clearly say "no" and they force themselves on you, or if you have been maliciously drugged and able to utter a word.

And how all these underage kids got to be in a party where there was obviously excessive alcohol, and all this was going on, and no authority figure or grown ups were around to stop it. Was this in a house? Then the owners of the house should be blamed as well, they should have been there!

Was this girl drugged without her consent, or did she consumed alcohol on her own free will?

The most unapologetic quote ever: "I'd like to apologize to her family, [the] community. No pics should have been sent. That's all sir," said Mays."

Really, you are sorry that pictures were sent???? Mays, young man, may you learn a lesson in life, what you DID was wrong. What happened that night with the female accuser was wrong. The pictures that captured you in the act were not the problem, you were the problem. If I were the judge in this case and I heard that apology, I would be furious. If I were the attorney representing this child, I would be shaking my head and wondering what the hell is going throw this kids head. If I were Mays' parents I would be disgusted in myself to have obviously raised a child to only be sorry for evidence that got him caught and not for realizing that he needs to be sorry for his actions and take responsibility for such actions. My God! This child just ruined his life and he still does not understand the ramifications of his actions and therefore is NOT sorry for his part in this situation. I hope they are sentenced to the full time in Juvenile jail and given a lot of psychological help understanding what they have done, because obviously this kid is clueless to only be sorry for the pictures being sent.

I do not say the boys have rights to do what they did .........But the girl ? at the age of 16 getting drunk to the point of loosing her self .....common people ...once she lost respect for her self than WHO is going to give her respect ,her friends try to hold her back not to go with the boys .....she refused .I have to agree with most on this forum, judge was wrong of harsh punishment .I'm a a mother of boy and a girl...... where was the mother .........she only shows up to blame others for her parental skills .

Like one post said once you hold hands .....what do you expect .

YAAAAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!

There is an average of 207,754 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year.

Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.

54% of all sexual assault are not reported.

Approximately 2/3 of all rapes are committed by someone they know.

38% are a friend or an acquaintance.

44% of all victims are under the age of 18.

80% of the victims are under age 30,

The FBI estimates that there is a sex offender living in every square mile in the United States.

One in ten men has molested children.

Most child molesters are able to molest dozens of children before they are caught and have a three percent (3%) chance of being apprehended for their crimes.

97% of all rapists will not spend a day in jail.

Until we fix our criminal justice system these will just be stories for our complicit media to sensationalize.

#1.112 April - If I were the attorney representing this child, I would be shaking my head and wondering what the hell is going through this kid's head.

He certainly did not express himself well, but he's still a kid. His attorney should have coaxed him better.

It is very obvious that most here dishing on everyone have never had any kids in teen age level-- and even if they do/did, "kids" do all kinds of things you would not believe, and yes the actual "religious one" are at least as bad, I am married to such one---.

THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT! What inanity or stupidity prompts you to even consider using that word?

@ post 1.39 -

OMG you go ballistic over one word.

Okay, let me amend it - "it was an assault waiting to happen". I was also talking about drunk driving. Whether something happened in an accident or an assault, lives are destroyed either way. Don't zone in on one word, look at the whole picture. Minors have no business drinking since it's against the law.

Did this party happen at a home? Where were the homeowners during the party? Where are all the parents of these minors? Alcohol & minors don't mix, especially without adult supervision. You are only asking for trouble.

So why are teens convening without adult supervision? Why are teens allowed to drive with other teens in the car (with such a high accident rate among teen drivers this should not be considered an after-thought)? Where are the parents for any of these teens...victims and the accused? These parents are probably the ones saying "it won't happen to my child" or "my child would never do that"!! Teens cannot and should not be trusted, no matter how good they are in sports, their academics and in the community. As parents, you have the right to question their every move. Tired of parents acting more like their child's best friend instead of their parent. Become their best friend after they went on to graduate college, move out on their own, pay their own bills and can be responsible...as adults. Until then, they are just teens and nothing more.

rockin moron...I mean...moroccan!! Seriously??? Blaming the victim is the reason why more do not come forward. You are a f*cking moron. No one has the right to violate anyone's body under any circumstance!!!

Re: "For anyone to claim the GIRL is not responsible at all is a shame. How often do we hear that some girl or woman gets really drunk and gets raped?"

Getting drunk in public may be stupid but it does NOT mean guys have a right to rape.

Creepy, no-account males will take advantage of drunk females because they are easier to control and their testimony may be suspect AND because idiots like the one who made that statement may be on the jury if the guy gets caught.

If a drunk female is walking down the street naked, that doesn't mean it's OK - or legal - to have sexual contact with her.

That these boys (and their dopey pals) thought what happened was funny just shows their families didn't impart moral values, and that their community and school values athletics so much they'd have let the boys get away with harming another person. (Way to go mom, dad, coach, fans - they learned your lessons well.)

Everyone forgot that these kids will need ethics long after they've outgrown teen sports.

@LG

To me rape is when you clearly say "no" and they force themselves on you, or if you have been maliciously drugged and able to utter a word.

I assume what you meant was, "unable to utter a word"

So by your logic, if a woman gets drunk and passes out then she is fair game? Or maybe she's just asleep so then it's ok to have sex with her? Or maybe she is just too afraid to say anything at all, but she didn't say no so then it's still ok?

Let me spell it out for you:

Unless the woman is a WILLING PARTICIPANT, and both cognitively and legally able to decide for herself, and she consents, IT IS RAPE, PERIOD.

Clear enough for you?

There really are no other factors to consider. It doesn't matter if she has given it up to every other swingin' d1ck in town, unless she has voluntarily consented, it is rape. It doesn't matter if she has consented 100 times before to the same person, if she doesn't consent this time, it is rape. It doesn't matter if she changes her mind in the middle of things, if you continue against her will, it is rape. Your questions about, did she get drunk of her own free will?, are irrelevant, if she was unable and/or unwilling to consent then it was rape. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

Stop looking for some way to justify rape or to lessen the atrocity of the crime committed by trying to lay blame on the victim. The only thing this girl did wrong was underage drinking. Mentalities such as yours are a huge part of what is wrong with society today. Women are not animals to be used just because you want to get your d1ck wet. They're not of lesser value than men simply because you view them as such. You, and every last one of the people looking to support the rapists and blame the victim sicken me. You, and all those like yourself, should do us all a favor and exit the gene pool without further spreading the disease that is yourselves.

To people who don't know or understand what " Digital Rape" means it is rape with fingers or toes..

To people that don't understand rape-----If you have any kind of sexual contact with a male or female of any age while under the influence of any intoxicating substance and they are not your wife/husband you have RAPED them....

If they don't accuse you of RAPE you are lucky.....It doesn't matter if they " ASKED " for it or not...They are not in a state of mind for consent....

DO NOT HAVE SEX WITH PEOPLE UNDER THE INFLUENCE UNLESS YOU ARE MARRIED OR IT IS ALWAYS RAPE.

Hopefully this message gets out , but doubtfully considering the comments adults are making on this article. So it will probably continue to happen again, my children won't be guilty of it because I teach them that having sex with someone who you are not married to and they are intoxicated is RAPE period.

I hope this message stops at least one more rape.

@Jo Ann (1.117)

Yep, you must watch every word you use these days because people are so sensitive, they will surely take what message you are trying to convey and twist it all around until they finally have something to complain about. They must scrutinize every last word you know.

When I was a teen it was pretty easy to find somebody to buy alcohol and it's not much different today. Some will even take alcohol from their parents homes. Others unfortunately have parents that will buy it for them. Perhaps this girl has a drinking problem and may come from a home with issues where for example, nobody cares what she does. Still does not equate to a free target for rape.

Another part of the problem is that times have most certainly changed since I was a teen and young adult in the 70's and early 80's (and even early the 50's and 60's) The world has become far freer in their approach to sexuality, morals and values. Parents can barely discipline their kids anymore or be accused and even arrested for "child abuse". How dare anyone spank a kid??? How dare a p arent "force" a kid to stay home against their will??? So many are complaining about repubs being way too old fashioned, religious zealots, the moral police etc.. They may be over the top but the rest of the world really has gone way too far the other way!!!!!!

Everyone at this party that was underage needs to be charged with minor in possession. In my state it means a year suspension of your permit or drivers license and repeat offending means you won't drive till 18 or 21. The homeowners need to take some liability, all the parents need to take some liability and the the entire population of the town that believes the whole "boys will be boys' crap" and "sluttty drunk girls get what they deserve" need to take liability as well. Society as a whole is also to blame for their lax attitudes and hero worship and refusal to demand accoutability from the athletes, celebs, wealthy, etc.. of this world. Rape is rape no matter how you look at it. NOBODY deserves it ever!!!! NOT when it happens to boys and men as well. It's time for CHANGE in this country all right and we all need to take a good long hard look in the mirror, accept responsibility for our share in it and do something about it NOW not tomorrow, next week, next year (equaling never).

Hi Brenda 1964,

Sometimes I really enjoy your posts, but this time you just kind of got it all backwards.
People have been taking issue with what you wrote because you spend the
whole first 2/3rds of your first post attacking the victim.

Yes you in closing made it clear that you condemn what these two boys did, but not until
your set the scene by seemingly insinuating that this girl some how set them up.
I believe that this was not your intention, but this was the signal that you sent out, and
clearly lots of us got it, intended or not.

THis is an issue because your untended message tells boys like this that someone in the jury like Brenda 1964
will probably cut them some slack.

You also send a scarier message to the victim, it says, don't come forward because someone like people like Brenda 1964 will rip into you and say it was your fault.

Down the line, maybe she will be charged with underage drinking, but it sounds like every kid in town will face the same charges, not just her. I had my first drink as an adult, and woke up not knowing where I was. I did not drink that much. Inexperienced drinkers should take care, but this is not the discussion to be had here. I have this mental picture of you in a wimple and nuns habit waving your finger in the face of a scared bruised, bloodied, and crying kid. I think this young girl has already received enough "punishment" as has her entire family. They are probably considering moving and changing their names.

Once again, Brenda who I usually like, you have your priorities backwards. We should raise our kids to protect the weak, not to rape them. And we should first worry that the victim is alright, not worry that they haven't been chastised and berated enough.

Some say that women and black folks are often their own worst enemies, witness your posts, and the rantings of Justice Clarence Thomas.

Just saying.

In the "Time of Yesteryear" history was written by and FOR the, White, Male majority; bread-winner's; "Do-as-I-say-and-NOT-as-I-Do"; "MAN as depicted in the Bible"; MAN as depicted in ANY form(um) of literature. RAPE is ANY violation of PENETRATION by ANYTHING without consent; whether by a male or female; whether by human appendage or "man-made" object(s). For example: Penis, fingers/toes/tongue/fist/dildo/bottle/rod-iron/stick/etcetera, etcetera.

ANYONE found guilty of RAPE of any kind, at ANY age, should be prosecuted and dealt with accordingly: Eye for an Eye; Penis for Penis; Arm for an Arm; and Finger for Finger. In those cases where an "inanimate" object is used, so true the perpetrator and his/her object of penetration.

@stopfreeloaders

Isn't it sad when a black guy and a white guy are convicted of the same crime in the same article and you can't say something completely asinine without sounding like even more of a mouth-breathing racist dildo than you already do?

What, are you sad you missed your chance to show your bigoted butt at CPAC? Don't worry dear; we'll get you some moonshine and you and Cleetus and Billy Ray Bob and the rest of the Hee Haw Corn Patch Gang can cornhole yourself vagrant later on, skippy, mmkay?

If you were any more of an a-hole I'd have to shove a fist in your mouth and give you a colonoscopy

"After the guilty verdicts, Ohio's attorney general said he will convene a grand jury to investigate whether other people should be charged in the case."

HA! Good luck with that. If a deal was granted for immunity in exchange for testifying against these two clowns, then he can't go back on that. Any future prosecutions will be thrown out of court.

DeWine is bullsh!t political grandstanding and wasting future taxpayer's money.

My God!!! And this is suppose to be "small town middle America?" This debased immoral conduct would be hard to find in some Big Cities!!! The prosecutors should go after more of the young people that were there that night and who "applauded" this horrific act of degradation and violence! AND OF COURSE, WHERE WERE THESE TEENAGERS PARENTS IN THEIR LIVES?

It is TRULY disgusting how a MAJORITY of you DON’T condone what these young men did,… but YET, you can’t wait for them to become “victims” in jail…

SERIOUSLY???

This thinking/wishing is VERY uncalled for and rather HYPICRITAL of you!!!

-___-

#smh. *rolling eyes* Stupid ppl!

what the hell is "digital rape"?

"I'd like to apologize to her family, [the] community. No pics should have been sent. That's all sir," said Mays.

So he's apologizing, but not for the rape? Just for the pics? And the other defendant apologized saying "I had no intentions of doing anything". Well, that's great...as long as you didn't intend to do anything it's ok. I guess it was just out of your control.

To see these two men break down and cry like babies AFTER they were found guilty makes it clear that they were crying for their own fate and not for any harm they caused that poor girl. Did they shed any tears as she was testifying? I didn't see it, but I'm sure that they were sitting smugly and wishing they could hurry up and get on with their lives (i.e. sports, sex, and booze). Pathetic.

Meech you are an idiot!!!

It is quite common for sports teams to have victory parties. These parties are to be supervised by the parents of the hosts. For you to blame this girl's mother is ridiculous, for all you know she thought she was drinking some punch. To blame her parents? Her parents sure failed in her upbringing HER upbringing had absolutely NOTHING to do with the heinous act these 'local heroes' commited. Shame on you. What happened to the days when a hero had a moral compass? Why not blame the boy's parents for bringing up their little darlings with no self control, no morals, no conscience. They brought their boys up ( or so it would seem by your logic ) to think that a defenseless girl was a toy, a mere plaything to be tossed about for their own enjoyment. Had they had any character they would have taken her home and left her in peace.

rockmebritney, you seem to have no morals. She is an underage child. What kind of up bringing to you have? Child think about what you said please.

The_Hitman

Brenda1964 - - go fetch me a sandwich, ju-v is no walk trough the park these days, but you know that don't you? You seem to know everything else, hey, easy on the mayo and make it snappy.

Hey perhaps you and these guys could be pen-pals? They do allow that in ju-v right? Sounds like a good fit for you.

Me small? HAHA!!!!! I'm 6'3" big hands, big feet and well, you know the rest .......

Thanks for admitting I know more then you. Most women know more then men. As for the small remark, seems that men exaggerate size by 3 so you know the rest...... LOL. It's OK to be small, I wouldn't date you, but I am sure some women find small OK.

maninjapan78

Hi Brenda 1964,

Sometimes I really enjoy your posts, but this time you just kind of got it all backwards.
People have been taking issue with what you wrote because you spend the
whole first 2/3rds of your first post attacking the victim.

Yes you in closing made it clear that you condemn what these two boys did, but not until
your set the scene by seemingly insinuating that this girl some how set them up.
I believe that this was not your intention, but this was the signal that you sent out, and
clearly lots of us got it, intended or not.

Couldn't be farther from the truth, she did not set them up, she set herself up. Thought I made that clear. It would be like me walking into a lions cage and then blaming the lion for wanting to bite me. I would never go to a party and get stupid drunk around teenage boys. Should I be able to and not expect to be raped? Sure, but you and I both know that should and reality are two very different things. Common sense has to prevail and you tell yourself that you will watch what you drink, bring a girlfriend, and leave before things get out of hand. Isn't that simple logic?

THis is an issue because your untended message tells boys like this that someone in the jury like Brenda 1964 will probably cut them some slack.

I believe the end of my post said exactly the opposite. Hey, if you want to say she has not responsibility in all this, be my guest. I on the other hand know better. Even so, hope the boys get the max in prison.

rockin moroccanbanned for rape trolling and blaming the victim, no thanks.

Why do you ban somebody for blaming the 'victim'? As if falsely testifying against the defendants never happens and the so-called 'victim' is never responsible for his or her own actions.

I don't think any rule was broken here. You're just using your mod status to let your own bias show through when you are supposed to be objectively neutral here.

If this means banning me for saying it, then go for it. I won't apologize for it or take it back.

Mr. Ed7451

Yes, I meant to say "unable".

No decent woman/man goes to a party and drinks alcohol to the point of passing out. No, it's not ok if she gets drunk to sexually take advantage of her! But she knows what alcohol is, when she went to that party she knew she was underage and that she was not supposed to be drinking alcohol. And, yet, she drank excessively and irresponsibly. Even when she began feeling woozy she kept drinking. She wanted excitement and to be part of the scene, there she had it. And shame on her parents for not calling her cell phone every so often to check on her, or showing at the party every so often to check the environment. Don't know if the party took place in a house, if it did shame on the owners as well for obviously, not been there! I am not exhonerating the kids who did this, but she also has a responsibility. At 16 she must know a thing or two about right or wrong.

And, according to you, every underage kid that has had sex with a minor, has commited rape. That would be 99% of our youth. The reality is the majority of kids begin to have sex as early as 14. By the time they turn 18, their parents don't even know if they are virgins or not.

When you were 16, did you ever go to a party and drank alcohol until you passed out and they had to carry you like a corpse? No? Do you think would be ok for someone to drink to the point of passing out wherever? No? There you have it!

Couldn't be farther from the truth, she did not set them up, she set herself up. Thought I made that clear. It would be like me walking into a lions cage and then blaming the lion for wanting to bite me. I would never go to a party and get stupid drunk around teenage boys. Should I be able to and not expect to be raped? Sure, but you and I both know that should and reality are two very different things. Common sense has to prevail and you tell yourself that you will watch what you drink, bring a girlfriend, and leave before things get out of hand. Isn't that simple logic?

Well, she's what, 16? Might cut her some slack in the common sense department, eh? I mean it's possible this isn't her first party and no ones ever dragged her blacked out body around for fun before, so she figured what the heck? I mean what a @!$%#ed up world where people are blamed for acting in accordance with the way things should be - a young girl should be able to have the same kinds of gun as a young guy without having to worry about being violated. And if she DOES go have some fun and someone takes advantage of her, we should focus on the decision to commit a crime, not the decision to have a good time

I mean sure, a discussion about underage drinking is in order, but lets not pretend that part is uncommon or anything.

@ MrEd7451. Here, Here! to both of your comments. You are the only poster who (1) seems well versed in the law with regard to rape, and (2) actually read and paid attention to the statements of the two "boys" who were convicted. Neither apologized to the victim; neither is taking any responsibility for what they did. In my humble opinion, if they had not gotten caught this time, their mindset is evident from their statements - there is a very good chance they would have done it again, because they apparently did not perceive what they did to the girl as "rape" or a violation of the law.

Capt Tripps

Couldn't be farther from the truth, she did not set them up, she set herself up. Thought I made that clear. It would be like me walking into a lions cage and then blaming the lion for wanting to bite me. I would never go to a party and get stupid drunk around teenage boys. Should I be able to and not expect to be raped? Sure, but you and I both know that should and reality are two very different things. Common sense has to prevail and you tell yourself that you will watch what you drink, bring a girlfriend, and leave before things get out of hand. Isn't that simple logic?

Well, she's what, 16? Might cut her some slack in the common sense department, eh? I mean it's possible this isn't her first party and no ones ever dragged her blacked out body around for fun before, so she figured what the heck? I mean what a @!$%#ed up world where people are blamed for acting in accordance with the way things should be - a young girl should be able to have the same kinds of gun as a young guy without having to worry about being violated. And if she DOES go have some fun and someone takes advantage of her, we should focus on the decision to commit a crime, not the decision to have a good time

I mean sure, a discussion about underage drinking is in order, but lets not pretend that part is uncommon or anything

OK, so with your line of thinking, lets apply it to another case. Lets say she committed a murder, she is only 16, how could she show good judgment and not murder? Just because someone is a certain age does not absolve them of common sense and the laws of the land. You are looking at her as a female and 16 and vulnerable. Wake up and quit applying double standards. You do realize the boys that did the raping were only teens as well, so shouldn't you cut them some slack for poor judgment as well? However that is not the case, burn the boys, but don't hold the girl responsible for her actions. Right, yea, that is how I want to teach my daughter. I will tell her that she can do anything she wants including walking down the street naked and there should be no consequences for her actions. Yea, that's what we should teach our daughters.

"Remember way back when ..when sports promoted morality, honor and dignity?.....Ask yourself...what happened?"

way back when, things were much worse. People did a better job of hiding things, the police wouldn't have taken these girls seriously, and the boys wouldn't have had the social media to accuse themselves by showing off their crime like arrogant little bastards that think rape is something to brag to their friends about.

Things are getting better, people are just not as ignorant or in denial as they used to.

molton

"Remember way back when ..when sports promoted morality, honor and dignity?.....Ask yourself...what happened?"

way back when, things were much worse. People did a better job of hiding things, the police wouldn't have taken these girls seriously, and the boys wouldn't have had the social media to accuse themselves by showing off their crime like arrogant little bastards that think rape is something to brag to their friends about.

Things are getting better, people are just not as ignorant or in denial as they used to.

Anyone who would post on frontpage or twitter like these fools deserve what they get. You say things are getting better? I find that they are more ignorant and in denial then ever before.

Okay, no videos, but photos where the young woman was clearly "out of it".

I really hope these rapists will spend the next few years, in jail, learning how to respect others.

There are videos that were posted to YouTube. Even states that in the article.

wonder how much 'respect' those boys will get in jail? Probably not much.

Agent ...exactly....

Immunity from what? Underage Drinking citation? Just a wittiness? Quick way to get them to talk is if they were also in need to plead their own defence? 16 and 17 accused of rape should be charged as adults!

Their is evidence on digital media of their actions showing they had assaulted her. She's lying?

Bull sh*t! The video is so incriminating it explains the entire case against these cretins.

"Digital" media?

Don't get me wrong....I think this is terrible for everyone. But that's still a good play on words.

Agent000, it's probably because the video incriminates two directly, and the others for aiding and abetting. The others may not have gone as far as the two.

If they were right there and made no attempt to stop it then they should be charged as accessories to the fact.

Ok they think then that all any of us has to do is go find a drunk woman molest her and we are safe from prosecution?

first she was too drunk to remember according to her so these boys are being railroaded as usual

Video tape and eyewitness accounts DO remember so how are the boys being railroaded???

GM IA. ☺

a bunch of drunk idiot kids never lie and fully remember what happened uh huh sure

That goes both ways.

oh girl go ahead be a slut

Even a slut has a right not to be raped. No means no or in her case, incapacitated and unable to make a decision means HANDS OFF!!! Who in their right mind assaults someone who is passed out??? Does this suddenly give you a green light that anything goes???

drink as much as you want you can cry rape later if the sandwich comes without mustard

Have you followed this at all??? Apparently, there were quite a few accusations that this entire act was set up by a group of boys known as the rape crew, the victim was fed a date rape drug, do some homework...unless of course, you approve of what had taken place...

I think they'll walk. It's a fairly conservative area and it clearly states in Leviticus that this girl should be stoned to death on the doorsteps of her father's house and that bronze statues of these two young men should be erected in the town square, along with renaming two streets in their honor, plus lifetime backrubs and pedicures compliments of Sally's Day Spa in Steubenville, a one year free membership from the Steubenville Swim and Racquet Club plus a lifetime supply of Instant Hand Sanitizer w/ aloe and Vitamin E courtesy of Purell. And that queer boys should burn in the fiery pits of hell. Who's to argue? It's written in the Bible.

The problem is that even if there is a video, there is no way to prove conclusively who took it since it disappeared from the phones (got deleted). So, there is a video with no confirmed source. The video does show the crime though.

One out of control girl, would she have cried rape if the story did not go public? bunch of foot ball heroes that will live the rest of their lives in shame well earned, I remember the times when if you were in sports you were expected to have high moral standards and avoid sex drugs and alcohol, or the coach would kick you off the team, and 16 year old girls would be home and safe in the top of the three story tipalow, overlooking the molt her parents installed to make the house boy proof, where was her pepper spray and boy repellent, her parents need to go to jail for child endangerment. every ones parents need to go to jail for endangering society. the teachers need to be locked up and fined for doing a lousy job of raising these peoples kids, kids only learn what they are taught. teach some morals it helps. of course liberals will laugh at that.

if the football hero boys go to junior jail they will learn first hand what its like to be the girl because all the creepy kids in juvenile fancy themselves as some kind of hero and they all have hyper active lambadas that require servicing three times a day and nothing better to do then perform these services,, under the watchful eyes of Matrons and counselors that have liberal backgrounds and figure boys will be boys. let them play, is it pay day yet.

To be institutionalized in a juvenile facility is to be in training for the big house nothing more, its not about rehabilitation its about training the next generation of violators and degenerates to justify the existence of our legal professionals and politicians, to police us and save us from the scum of society that they allow to exist in the first place. its all about math and money. the less conservative you are and the poorer you are the greater the odds you will succume to the system.

Jocks... NO BODY has a rights to take advantage of anyone.. it matter NOT.... To quote Shakespeare: "things should be cut short"

DBuck, I'll bet you're a Republican! Did you know that libs also have morals? That's right. They do.

And many do NOT believe that boys will be boys, especially in a rape case. Which is what this story was really about. But thanks for bringing politics into it. One sided politics, but politics none the less. Because in this day and age no posting thread is complete without SOMEONE bringing that up. Right?

So again, thank you for getting that ole ball rolling, and have a nice Easter.

As for the rape, people need to stop attacking the victim, and give them some respect. This whole rape trial crap where you can bring up the victim's background and not the attacker is asinine. It always has been, and I see nothing that may change that any time soon. It's really a shame.

anyone who was there and knew it was happening, but did nothing to stop it, is just as guilty in my opinon!

Brian, I agree, but if you read rockin moroccan, he thinks a guy can put his paws wherever he wants and in whomever he wants, and if someone screams about it, he whines he's being railroaded.

anyone who was there and knew it was happening, but did nothing to stop it, is just as guilty in my opinon!

Agreed, Bryan. A simple, anonymous phone call to 911 was all that it would have taken. No heroics. No taking a stand in a situation possibly viewed as dangerous to anyone protesting the crimes. The cowards, sadists and voyeurs that allowed this to go on are in dire need of mental therapy and should also have to face charges.

i was just thinking the same thing, lots of blame and lack of action to go around, she was 16 and should not have been anywhere near a party fueled with alcohol, they knew she was passed out from drugs/drinking and proceeded anyways, oh she's drunk she won't mind, and those that stood by just as guilty. makes you wonder what parents are expecting of their kids these days . when i was a kid anything you did in public was a reflection of your parents, you did something wrong your parents were responsible. not any more.

If you read the article, each will be registered as a Juvenile sex offender - records sealed after they reach 21.

The sentences seem to be just. And, as strange as it may seem, this could be a wake-up call for all the young people who were involved with this situation. The two boys will NEVER even attempt sex with someone who is incapable of consenting - their lives have been turned upside down. Most of the other young people will remember this and hopefully act accordingly.

And, I'm alright with them being tired as juveniles. Were they incredibly stupid - without a doubt. Was the young woman very lucky - without a doubt. As a woman I'm usually for the toughest sentence possible in a case like this. This time I think the judge made the right decision. The assault was clearly there but I believe both of the young men in question have a chance to turn their lives around. I hope they do.

Damn, being held responsible for being a complete, Moral less, scum bag, What a concept. These "star" high school and college football players probably thought they would get the same preferential treatment their "Pro" counter arts are afforded for bad behavior. Taking advantage of a drunken girl is still Rape. Now if they could charge and jail all the useless douche bags that cheered them on and posted videos on youtube and the like. This crap has gone way too far. Who ever provided the alcohol to minors, in any way, should also go to jail. These sorts of parties need to be supervised by PARENTS, oh wait, that might require them to actually give a damn, Silly me.

Anyway, Off to jail the dummies go, I hope they learned something. More likely all the "fairness" groups will step in to explain the cultural aspects, the disadvantaged youth concept, the broken home scenario, excuses, excuses, excuses, the song remains the same. Start holding people, all people, responsible for their actions, now matter how depraved, sleazy or disgusting. Then taking advantage of others won't be a "joke" to them. Give the scum balls the max.

You WILL reap what you sow--if not in this life, than the next.

It did NOT go past hands in her pants !!! This is NOT rape !!! Does every boy now need to have a breathalyzer on a date to see if advances are appropriate? This trial was bull@!$%#..!

If you think you even need a breathalyzer you best start walking home.

You should also look up the definition of rape. Must be a part of the Akin clan.

They are tried as juvvies, meaning the youngest will serve the most time. Can only serve time until 21.

Similar case in Orange County, CA about 9 years ago - Boys were 17 - girl 16 - boys tried as adults and all got 6 years in jail - was on 60 Minutes!!

The best that could happen is these two having to register as SEX OFFENDERS for the next 25 years!

They will have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives after they serve their time in Juvenile Jail until they are 21. I have a feeling that the defense attorneys and parents agreed to that sentence prior to being tried in Juvenile court, betting that the judge wouldn't convict. If this is the case, there shouldn't be an appeal (the lack of a jury makes an appeal less likely any way).

Future GOP leaders in the making. Good ol' boy system, hometown boys will get off easy and laugh about it later.

Carl Heidelberg is a D-bag.

It's difficult to hide your progressive liberal mentality now, isn't it Carl?

Carl Heidelberg, what does any of this have to do with political parties?

just shows how ignorant you truly are .. seriously , you need to get a life or get laid or something, just move out of your mom's basement already!

Dude I can't believe you have the balls to call this a GOP thing!!!! You sir are way out a line and completely full of CRAP!!!!! Good ole boys come in all races ,religons and political parties around the world. You can bet your bottom dollar there's plenty of Liberal "good ole boy" deals going down on a daily basis as well. At any rate this is NOT about politics as much as it's about rape, assault, thinking you are above the law, that you can violate any one, any time, anywhere with no consequences,that this kind of conduct all the way around with every single party involved is condoned, considered "normal"???? posted all over social media as if it was funny!!!!! It's about a lack of civility, morals, acountability, responsibility, actually knowing and accepting the boundaries of right and wrong, parental lack of control, youths total lack of control, and much more!!!!!!!Please get the hell over yourself and your sick twisted ideas!!!!!!

WHY does the coach who covered up the crime to keep his "boys" on the team still have his job? Sign the petition to fire Coach Reno!

Jen- I wouldn't want to be in his position either. If he convicts, he might end up dead, before he gets out of town.

You can bet the county prosecutor, and the police chief will be looking for jobs when voting time comes.

The prosecutor and the police chief KNOW THEY DID THE RIGHT THING! Nothing else really matters when you have to live with yourself for the rest of your life.

What these boys did is no different than raping an invalid.

I cant see how you would find a person in that state arousing?

Memo to you blaming the victim.........you are NOT ENTITLED to sexually toucing anyone at anytime regardless of their condition.

agreed anonamoose

but factor in small town sports, and gossip and....

So I guess Blacks and Crack and the Mexicans with Black Tar Heroin, Asians and Opium. sure whites and beer blacks and colt 45.

SolarIstheWay - See what I mean? You've been in America your entire life, and yet you cannot compose a comprehensive sentence in your native tongue.

@Nissan

You're describing a development phase in our culture. American's (of all colors) normally outgrow this within a couple of years. I take it no-one wants to party with you?

White Americans worship beer, XBox, over-eating, FaceBook, Twitter, Texting, SUVs, television and sports, yet insult those who read, and study science and math...

Yet, you start your post quoting a cartoon.

Hey Pissan am I missing something, but isn't one of the homeboys a homeboy?

United WE Stand - You are indeed a sensible person in that you recognize that drinking is a part of your American culture. Agreed that the extreme drinking subsides with age, but the drinking itself continues well into adulthood. As for partying with me, LOL! I've no interest in partying my friend! I get together with my countrymen here in America. We determine how we will use mathematics and technology to further our culture, while you Americans drink beer and watch episodes of Ice Road Moonshiners! The next war against America has begun...it is a Cyberwar...your people do not have the knowledge or intelligence to defend yourselves. We will help you.

Nissan;
You are a racist! Can't believe you posted that stupid response

ARMY1971 - Yes, you are indeed missing something my friend. You are missing the ability to read and comprehend. The drinking is in reference to the female victim (white), not the accused (one black and one white). Got it? You may now return to watching Pawn Stars.

Nissan-

At least in this country, you are free to express your racism. You're even free to come here to work. If your home country is so great, why are you here?

How much drinking goes on at the Karaoke Bars in Japan? Demographics of the crowd tends to be single, male students. Before you ask the answer is yes.

Nissan is obviously a RACIST! You are a bigot and racist along with being another pro-rape moron!

Plus, YOU'RE COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION AND WHITES. Whites aren't the race with the substance abuse problem in this country.

Who do you think consumes the heroin and crack in this country? HINT: they aren't white!

Nissan, for someone who supposedly is more "intelligent" then us "Beer drinking, TV watching losers", You managed to group 300 million people into one big stupid group. Granted, as anywhere else on the planet, we have a few on the low end of the mental food chain. But according to you we have no one with an I.Q. over 100. Seriously? If you believe that is true, then its glaringly apparent you are just a condescending pseudo intellectual who thinks they know everything and are better then everyone else.

Now do us a favor and go crawl back under the rock in whatever third wold country you are from.

I was stationed in Korea, Japan and several countries in Central and South America; they (men mostly) all drink until they puke and pass out. Japanese men in 3-piece Italian suits urinating and falling down in the subways was a routine encounter if you ride the subways on Friday nights. So did our soldiers stationed everywhere; most soldiers that I had the groom task of sending home in body bags, alcohol was involved in >90% of the time. I don't drink, never have; I stood out like a sore thumb and was the designated driver where ever I went. Countless times I was ordered by the General to go with the fly boys on Friday nights, my job was to bring them back alive. I watched the same thing through my years in medical school and asked myself how could these drunken kids be our future doctors? One of my classmates never made it to second year of medical school; he was killed in a drunk driving accident. The driver was his brother, There were 2 others in the car, all 4 died at the scene and all were drunk.

Nissan, Sweetie. You sound extremely young. You sound extremely gullible. Relying on media stereotypes as a source of truth may make you feel good about yourself, but it seldom leads to wisdom. It leads to derision (often justified) and division, and it broadcasts your ignorance in a way nothing else could. No one should be proud of ignorance, but luckily it can be cured with education, travel and broadening your own horizons. Good luck.

Who do you think consumes the heroin and crack in this country? HINT: they aren't white!

Answer per capita is White people. Biggest bunch who do is wall streeters.

Nissan,

You ignorance is showing. It does not matter what color people are, some will crave alcohol and some will not. However, if you wish to cut cards and point the "evils of whitey", let's look at the rest of the world. Mexico supports the drug cartels, Cuba takes the best from your produce and leaves with rotton food, women are stoned to death for being raped in the Middle East, China is okay with torture and sending lead poisoned products here, European nations kiss everyone's butt, African children are being killed, raped, and used for suicide bombing, and I could go on. The point is every country on every continent has major issues, and The U.S. is no different. Yet, we try to fix our issues and not condone them.

As for you statement about coming over to take our jobs, sweetheart, you could never have my job. You do not have the skill or education to perform my job. This is reflected in the post you put here.

Thank you @Tracey S-

You are very kind in the face of Nissan's smugness. Bit of a flat tire, if you ask me, but has a high opinion of himself.

lol I think it's funny that Nissan can name so many television shows and quote a cartoon so well, yet we are the dumb, drunk Americans..

Your intelligence based off Google is unimpressive Nissan. Now, run along and play with your countrymen, I'll get the puppet show ready for you.

If I'm not mistaken the kids were all underage. Hold the parents equally responsible for the actions of the kids and see if that wakes up that little hell hole of a town. God help this country.

debbie,the most intelligent post by far and I agree with you.

I agree!!! If the kids see their parents facing consequences they in turn wil lose out in many ways. IF their are monetary fines then the kids should lose their phones, allowances, cars and insurance etc....

Rick you kidding right, have you ever been around the under 30 crowd in this country? They are about as dumb as dumb can be. The are all full of themselves, pumped up by overindulgent parents, and the vile and corrupt teacher union. Who tell them everyday how special and cool they are. If these two homeboys walk within a day they will be layin up again with some ho.

I have, thats why I said what I said. The gals know, if they chose to put themselfs in danger then its on them now the ass hole have been identified.

The vile and corrupt teacher union? Are you serious with that nonsense? Let me guess, you're the same numbskull who says "someone once got killed being stabbed with a pencil so let's ban pencils" on every thread about gun deaths? Am I close? I'll wager I am. You drink the right wing koolaid with gusto.

Army, you sound just like Nissan except Nissan is here to take economical advantage of our country while he truly despise our society. You, on the other hand, have served to protect this country and the culture that you seems to despise. In term of the under 30 crowd, you've just included over 80% of our military.

In term of the under 30 crowd, you've just included over 80% of our military.

That's misleading since only 1% of Americans serve in our military.

80% of the military does not equate 80% of the country. Statistics much? Then again, Ayn Rand was not a mathematician. I took a philosophy course with her back in college, she was whacked.

Either poor reporting or local police work?

Yeah right, back in your days no body got raped. Who are you kidding? Back in your days, 9 out of 10 rape cases went unreported because of the neanderthal mentality you just spoke of. I'm probably older than you and I don't look back to the "good ol days" with rose tinted glasses.

Why would they walk? They were convicted of rape. The same judge will impose the sentences, it's not done by a jury or a town vote.

Read the story and you wont post that rape kit nonsense

Uhh, unless I'm mistaken (and I don't think I am on this one) one of the boys is black.... I dunno, maybe the pictures are misleading...

I'm guessing her options are, as we've seen in past cases such as this one...

somewhere down the road, she'll wind-up on the talk show circuit,promoting her new book,telling the world that her appearance on the program is part of her "therapy", her "healing"...that she wants to become a motivational speaker for other formally drunk underage girls who were raped. At the age of what..?...19,20, she'll tell us of ALL the life lessons she's learned,how she's managed to forgive her assailants and move on with her life.Yessir, she'll be just a walking encyclopedia of helpful life lessons for the rest of us.

I can see it now on the Today show,on Piers Morgan,or on 20/20..... "And coming up on ----, the young woman that was at the center of a rape trial in Steubenville in 2013,that polarized a community--speaks exclusively with---. She's written a book detailing her harrowing experience,and how she's coped with life after the trial.Stayed tuned,we'll be right back". And after 4 or 5 commercials the commentator chimes with..."Here now--Barbara Walters", or something to that effect.The victim will be seen with Barbara,strolling down a boardwalk somewhere...telling the rest of the world "what she's been up to since that awful time back in 2012". Yeesh...

So yeahhh....her options may not be as limited as the rest of you seem to think.I'm sure, like so many other victims, she'll be looking for a way to support herself--and what better way,than to write a book that probably will sell all of 20 copies. I won't be waiting with baited breath to hear her philosophy on life.

Wow, you really need help.

We're all entitled to our opinions...

And in my opinion.... "Wow", your opinion is wrong. We've all seen it happen before...some idiot who's suffered a misfortune of their own making, then in order to make themselves feel better about their miserable lives (and rip off the public for a few bucks) decide the entire world needs to hear about it. I have absolutely no interest in other people's "revelations" regarding their life experiences..my library already has a science-fiction section, thank you.

I hope the two Asshats that committed the crime grow up to be loney old men.

It's a shame these two rapists aren't being sent to the Big Boy Jail, I'm sure they'd find lots of friends there.

There are plenty of juvenile rapes behind bars. They'll get what they gave so freely!

BTW, Anonamoose1, who do you think, consumes the most Cocaine, Meth in this country?

Arthur1952

The boys need tried as adults,

No... they need to be tried as juveniles which is what they are.

Why would you prosecute them as something they are not? A 16 yr old is not an adult. Can they legally sign a contract? No. Why not? Because they are not considered responsible enough. Get it?

If you want to prosecute something prosecute the entire patriarchal culture that teaches boys and men they are privileged and that females are second class citizens to used as they see fit.

Culheath it is bleeding hearts like you that have given the open door in this country that commiting crimes is alright. The teachers were not involved apparently and the boys did know the difference between right and wrong! They chose to rape and they need to be held accountable! The other things is that You contribute to allowing gang s to commit the crimes they do because you seem to think the kids are not responsible for their actions.B/S! They commited the crime and they must be accountable! NBe damn glad I was not the judge in that case.

The PATRIARCHAL view is only within your mind. You're just clinging to old biblical rhetoric. That's why religion is so dangerous. Too many people take it literally.

@ culheath:

I absolutely agree that in most circumstances, juveniles must be tried as juveniles.

Misogyny is taught, but youthful idiocy is inescapably innate.

At that age, you haven't yet had time to work out which elements of your upbringing were wisdom, and which are dangerous lies with no place in an enlightened mind.

People like Arthur never get it at all; but that can't be helped.

Some fall by the way.

Life goes on.

It's also true that young alphas in any social species usually express its worst characteristics- they tend to be abusive and self-serving.

Worse, they have little foundation for sympathy because they've experienced so little in the way of what they dish out so readily- damage casually inflicted by those who assume social supremacy as their prerogative.

This has a downside, of course- alphas removed from their society of origin and inserted into another often die because they lack the social skills that betas and gammas must acquire young in order to survive at all.

This is one of the reasons that high school and college sports heroes often crash so spectacularly as adults- because they just can't adjust when the glory days come to an end.

These kids badly need to get smacked down hard- an education in the concept of consequences may serve them well when they have to live as equals with the rest of us.

Regardless, they need to be tried as what they are: juveniles.

I expect they will not beat the rap- but if by some abortion of justice they do, it would teach them the worst lesson possible- and insure an embittered life as their "golden boy" immunity dies on graduation- and they continue to behave the same way as adults.

I also expect they will have their records sealed when they become adults, and so suffer no lasting consequence for their violation of this young woman.

Slowly and painfully, women are achieving genuine equality- but it still seems as if a lot of harm has to take place to inspire a little improvement.

It's still worth it- and it's not just women who benefit; every step forwards for women also drags a lot of self-centered and self-indulgent men that much closer to maturity- however unwillingly.

Unfortunately, there is no simple answer. This is nothing new. Drunken kids at a party and someone becomes a victim. The boys are not adults. Did they know right from wrong? I am sure that any junior lawyer can keep this in juvenile court. The problem is this is very emotional and people confuse justice with revenge. Our legal system is not perfect but it is our system. Should these boys be labeled as life long offenders......probably not. No evidence here they are perverts only irresponsible. I had a HS and college football player son and I had to keep him off the pedestal because even at a small level these boys get treated differently and there lies the problem. Young people need their parents as much when they are 16 as when they are 6. I was lucky, my kids never came home drunk in HS and they always came home. Not sure about college. So if they are not adults then where is the punishment for the parents? Is it the legal bills, the shame? Also why is this public knowledge? They are not adults. I thought details were to be suppressed. Anyway, the young lady will hopefully have some support in her recovery. This is important that she finds the best way to get this behind her and focus on having a HS career and college, if possible. Should sue in civil court? If there are damage?.......sure. These boys brought this on themselves and it may not end here.

One of the legal criteria usually used in deciding whether to prosecute in juvenile or adult court is whether the individual would be amenable to rehabilitation.

James,Excellent comments.

Just briefly, this is horrible situation for all involved. The boys' behavior, if proven, is very serious. Should it be held over their heads their whole lives and close all doors against them, though? I'm not so sure. They're young and stupid. All of us have been there. There's a reason they're still considered minors legally at that age...because their brains aren't developed enough to hold them to adult standards and are also more flexible and potentially responsive to rehabilitation efforts. They were cowardly and stupid, targeting someone so drunk that there could be any question as to her consent. (Though she was of age and could have consented if she hadn't been drinking.) But under other circumstances, she could have fought back and (unfortunately) there's worse than doing what they did. At least, she wasn't going to get pregnant or (likely) catch an STD. I'm not making excuses for these boys' conduct, but I do think there are some mitigating factors and have serious concerns that there's a rush to judgment here. Thus, I'm not with the hang-em-high crowd and think it is appropriate that they be sentenced in juvenile court and with a focus on rehabilitation.

The only choice this girl had was to refrain from your American culture of excessive drinking. As they say in U.S., "Good luck with that". A sad story all around, as these are young people. I wish I could erase this from their memories.

Nissan,

All cultures have their flaws and it is, at best, impolite to incessantly point out the flaws of the culture in which you are a guest. Perhaps you could educate us on the flaws you find in your culture as a comparison...or is your culture flawless?

Even been at a Karaoke Bar in Japan at closing time?

"The American culture of excessive drinking". How much of the world have you seen? Entertainment centers in Japanese cities at night look like Zombie Apocolypse. Army's of staggering drunken salarymen, five nights a week.

As the old saying goes, if you don't like it, why don't you go home? I'm sure there must be a place for you there, wherever it may be.

No so easy, just say yes or no maybe work for a female but not esasy for a male, we are testosterone oriented and is really hard for us put the brakes, especially youngs. The sex drive for females is slow and is more easy for be cool and turn around, so the female need learn to NOT SEND wrong messages to males around, is looking for troubles, show ignorance and disrespect in males behavior, also RESPEC THEMSELF not put their body in dangerus posicition to close to unknow mens in wild enviromentals, The boy deserve be punished, but the girls need be receive some kind of punished (no jail) service to the community or training in responsabilities whit her body

Why the schools need a football or baseball players ? they pamper them, no are smart guys, EXPEND MONEY IN THEM and charges for their support to the smart boys and girls, is a waste ! The school and universities need Ban them from this kind of system, only aloud the carer oriented smart boy and girls insude campus. Period

Nissan, erasing memories wouldn't solve the problem. The only difference I see between the Middle Eastern culture & the rest of the world, one stones the victims to death & the Western Culture brand their victims as low life hores & place the entire fault on the victim. How about putting a end to such attitudes & make the rapist face real justice instead of the good ole boy attitude. When is rape going to address as violent crime instead of the right passage?

An appeal is less likely when there is no jury handing down a verdict.

"Repeal" applies to legislation.

"Appeal" applies to verdicts. Age has nothing to do with whether a sentence (juvenile or adult) is served out, particularly when it is a crime against a person (assault).However much time they wind up serving-limited to up until their 21st birthday--the girl will bear the emotional consequences for the rest of her life. There is no escaping the fact that she will be serving a life sentence for what happened to her.

I doubt they will be allowed to remain free on bail--I certainly hope not. As far as their records being sealed, that doesn't offer the 'opportunity to start over from the indiscretions of youth' that it once did--these guys' names and photos have been put on public display and any good background search these days will turn up media mentions, of which there are PLENTY.

Come to think of it, these boys ruined their own lives as well as the girls' when they did what they did. How appropos...

They will not be released on bail. They were immediately remanded into the custody of the dept. of youth services and taken to the state juvenile reception center for assessment. They are serving a minimum a one year. The judge stated that there will be further charges forthcoming on other individuals. He did not elaborate on whom. I suspect there are some adults who are shaking in their boots today; homeowners and suppliers.

And if I were on your jury, I would allow you to go free for defending your daughter's honor as a good father. However, I suspect that as a good father, you would not permit your daughter to become intoxicated and behave in a dishonorable way.

In any event a real man, gentleman would not take advantage would they? I'm wondering what adult gave her the booze?

As far as everyone commenting that the girl who got drunk should face consequences - I think it is pretty obvious that she has.

Wow! Guilty!

My prediction was incorrect!

BTW Nissan, how do you explain the Rapes of women in places like India, Pakistan et al? Those females were not drunk... Oh, it was Gang Rape. Even a tourist was recently Gang Raped...

Wow! Guilty!

My prediction was incorrect!

Maybe it's time to reevaluate everything you ever thought and change your philosophy of life.

I'll add I also have 2 sons and again, never had any problems like this!

As far as you know. I'm betting the boys in this case didn't run home and tell their parents they did it.

This is an honest question. Why is it that females have no idea what they are doing in sexual situations when drunk but males do? That's what this all boils down to isn't? With a few drinks females have no responsibility about what happens but males do. If I'm not mistaken the video everyone has seen was not of the rape itself but at a different time in the night. And witnesses, you people are really going to trust a bunch of teenagers who were drinking and trying to stay out of trouble themselves to give you the truth about what happened, when most of them were drunk themselves? Especially when if they said the girl was lying people just like you would hound them and call for their heads.

Yep Nissan, those poor boys.

The winners here are all of the teen boys and girls who learn about this case and make better decisions in the future.

The fact that all this happened to begin with is sad, the outcome and justice served is not sad, it is honorable.

Yeah, they were tough guys for a while. Now they are cry babies.

Nissan: you think rape is how boys/men should "blow off steam"? Are you kidding? What if men were raped when women wanted to "blow off steam"? I am not sure what point you are making BUT I will tell you this: most men do not have ANY idea how women are preyed upon...as a woman I can tell you it is constant...starts in school and never ever ends...at a job, walking down the street, being platonic friends with men....it sucks...You see, most women think men are unevolved idiots (for those of you who are not, you know I love and respect you kind souls)....Women are smarter and know what NOT to tolerate...I would assume these men are guilty....women get raped every so many seconds here in the US...who is doing the raping then if ALL these men are innocent? It is a joke...men walk around being fathers, brothers, ministers, bosses etc, and they are rapists...makes me sick....THERE is a WAR on women and time to get tough....men who rape are cowards- time to stand up to them...glad they will be in jail!! SICK of the press attacking the woman when she is raped...why do you think SO many do not report rape? Beacuse of the backlash...very very unfair.

Nissan

#20.1 Wow! Guilty!

My prediction was incorrect!

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#23 My prediction was 100% incorrect. The boys were indeed found guilty.

Sad all the way around. No winner here....young lives were impacted.

I see you have reevaluated everything you have ever thought. Now that I know I've got your ear, Stop being such a turd

I hope you are not a parent @rockmebritney you are telling me that any girl of any age should be able to drink and not get raped. Last time I checked the legal drinking age is 21. Guessing you was never a teenager. Teens drinking equals stupid acts this is no perfect world we live in. What they did was wrong, but at the same time she made a bad choice; she happened to get raped over chances of getting in a car wreak, hangover, and/or even hit by a car.

As for what the girl's mother said "Human compassion is not taught by a teacher coach or parent." If you would of thought her right from wrong, and/or even stopped your daughter from going to the party she could of prevented this from even happening. Sad how parents want to blame everyone else for their bad parenting.

Then to end it. It is sad that only two of the football players went to trail for this crime. I did not keep up with all of the details, but it seems like some got away with their part in all of this.

WOW!! This is what you call kids out of control. Both the boys and the girl should all be held accountable for their actions. No an underage child should not be able to drink at all. Someone posted she be able to drink as much as she wants. Wrong. They are children getting drunk, and who knows what else. As a mother of two daughters, I always remind them never put yourself in a situation where you become prey to predators. Parents need to make their children aware that predators come in all ages, colors, and walks of life. The boys were never taught that taking anything not given is a crime. Now it's time for them to pay the piper. Sex Offenders for the rest of their lives. WOW!!! I hope the little girl realizes that she's a child and to take her time growing up. To all children the legal age for drinking is twenty-one. This is what happens when you mix alcohol and immature little children. The young girl's mom said that she pitied the boys. Why? You should pity yourself for being your daughter's friend instead her mother. Why would you let her go there at sixteen? Did she have a curfew? Lets stop throwing our daughters out there to be victimized. Parents stop being your child's friend, be a PARENT they need guidance and rules, they already have friends who lead them astray. Think about this where were her so-called friends when this tragedy happened? Right think on that!!!! Children have to much freedom and parents are losing control.

Drunk kids, taking advantage of a girl? No chivalry? So, bringing this to a trial and accountability is perversion to you? Drunk kids and rape is the norm? My son is a genmtleman and a pro athlete. There are laws againmst under age drinking for a reason. We have two cases here of under age drinking and car wrecks and deaths and we hear the same old they are just kids. Drunk kids out all night, speeding and creating mayhem, killing adults, bread winners, fathers, children all in the name of sowing their oats.

What is wrong with you Wilfred? How can you call them victims? Justice wasn't perverted, but these two young men were. Stupid also, to have such overwhelming documentation of their depravity available to be presented in court against them. Their parents did a terrible job raising them and must be mortified and devastated at this point.

How is convicting someone of rape "perverted" when they so very clearly COMMITTED THE RAPE? There's photo evidence, there's video, there are witnesses. If they couldn't convict with all of that available, THEN the system would be "perverted".

They should do time. So should anyone else who commits rape.

This was NO lynch mob....this was men who committed rape and were found guilty....SO sick of the press going after the woman when she comes forth with evidence that she was raped...they tear her down when she barely has a leg to stand on...THAT is why so many women who are raped NEVER come forth....that is wrong...WOMEN: ALWAYS come forth if you are raped....those men do not deserve to live, much less be free. THere is a war on women in this world...they are raped, abused and killed at alarming rates...go get these animals and put them in jail for life...this needs to stop. Be empowered women- never ever let a man attack or make you feel less than....ever.

While convicted boys were guilty, the accuser should be convicted of underage drinking and public intoxication. She should take responsibility for her contribution to being "digitally" raped (it used to be called foreplay). She is not an innocent party and it is hard to believe that she was not aware that she was drunk like skunk and instead of going for another adventure in the other house, she should ask someone to drive her home.

I thought there were 2 boys on trial for rape why are you showing the black kid and not the white rapist?

I agree - she should be charged with being intoxicated and disorderly in public. By being drunk she contributed to what happened.

They ALL should be charged with under age drinking...everyone of them but these are all misdemeanors.....these boys committed a FELONY, as did the adults who provided the alcohol and pretty much allowed this to happen....and if "roofies" ( date rape pills) were involved , those responsible should be charged with illegal possession and USE of drugs..... I agree with everything the girls mom said in her statement , except that human compassion isn't taught by teachers, coaches, parents. Human compassion is a learned behavior , and starts at home, but is learned throughout life. Seems like if these boys learned it, it was overridden by peer pressure , or what they thought was being cool..jail will give them time to reflect on what they did wrong, if they are TRULY sorry for what they did

Yeah Anna... and she shouldn't have been cute, or wearing those clothes... STOP BLAMING THE VICTIM!

The two idiots that were convicted are going to live their lives telling themselves and others they got railroaded after making out with some chick in HS who claimed rape... and the other guys/kids that were there are going to have haunting memories for not doing the right thing.

Hey Dan, how do you know they weren't too drunk to know what they were doing? You think she was too drunk to know what she was doing. So because they were male they get double standards.

How long is going to be before a woman kills someone while drunk and her defense is 'if I was too drunk to understand about sex then I was too drunk to understand about drinving'?

While convicted boys were guilty, the accuser should be convicted of underage drinking and public intoxication.

...She should take responsibility for her contribution to being "digitally" raped (it used to be called foreplay).

Sorry Anna, Although I'm a guy, I cannot agree with you at all. She was foolish for becoming so intoxicated that she could no longer care for herself, but her stupidity does not excuse those two boys one bit.

As to prosecuting her for under age drinking and public intoxication, neither violation constitutes a felony, and if they prosecuted every teen caught drinking alcohol the juvenile courts would have to be in session 24X7. I'd also point out that public intoxication laws do not cover inebriation while in a private residence or hotel room.

Her behavior was foolish and stupid. The behavior of these two boys was criminal. That is the difference.

What I find funny is that everyone is so consumed with the rape that no one is upset with the events that led up to it. Poor pity on the mother of the victim..NOT! This was not her daughters first time with underage drinking according to her friends WHO were also underage and drinking on the way to the party. Also, They should be charged, the people who testified that they saw her so drunk didn't do anything to protect her, the parents who held the party for all the underage drinkers should be charged and are all these parents in this town oblivious to what their kids do? How about the boys (not football players) age 16 and 17 were also drunk and they too were impaired in their normal thinking saw a girl just as drunk who may have initially portrayed herself as someone interested which does not matter because they were all drunk. If she can use the defense that she was too drunk to say yes then weren't they too drunk to make rational decisions? Instead they in their adolescense they thought what they were doing was a game? YOu can't say one party was too drunk and the other not when they were all at the same party drinking. Oh and she was already drinking before she got there. This is not a blame the victim, what they did was wrong, but we are talking about children who were drunk and they ALL made decisions that they regret now that they are sober.n I would like these parents to be charged and all the underage party drinkers and the girls friends who left her alone after they all got sauced up together.

Good point

Wrong. They will be recorded sex offenders for life. ....Good.

The laws in Ohio says this:

"Any offense requiring a mandatory prison sentence cannot be expunged. Such
crimes include rape, sexual battery, corruption of a minor, sexual imposition,
or obscenity or pornography involving a minor."

Bad parenting, now theyr'e f'd for life.

My point has been brought forth! They are supposed innocent children irresponsible for their actions then why would they have a mark the rest of their lives for a crime they committed as innocent children! DUH! Those who feel they should not be held accountable need their heads examined. But I cannot argue with idiots!

Juvenile records are not wiped clean when the person reaches adulthood, and felony convictions in juvenile court, in particular, stay on the record.

welcome to the continued enjoyment of the hip hop generation...the kids of today are so influenced by the black culture its sick...these are the results and will only get worse because the black lifestyle is unfortunately violence dominated so rape, steal, kill are just the way of life for most of them...with little or no parental supervision...just sad...

Tru Dat

John, such racism! Question. Have you paid attention to any of the headlines involving white kids in the past 20 years??? In fact, white men have a pentiant for mass murder and serial killing! And the U.S. has a major portion of the worldwide serial killing population, about 80%. Rape is not a black or white thing any more than violence is. The fact that black populations are mostly concentrated in poor neighborhoods where crime is always higher is just a fact of life for black people. They live with it because they are too poor to get away from it. Not by choice! Steubenville is a small town. Blacks make up only about 15% of the population. There is no evidence that the "black culture" is one of violence. Just because violence affects a vast number of black people doesn't make it their culture. That is a completely racist and bigoted lie.

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