You might enjoy the additional information on this link.Which provides a lot more information then just seven sentences. I have often found the Washington Post very informative when other sites aren't. Also check the link I posted in response to Sadden American 2012.

If breaking stories have little information, I often check other news sources first before posting. That allows me to provide more informed posts. I know of other folks who do the same. Assuming only what is in a story posted by nbcnews is all that exists,,may deprive one of rich news resources on the Internet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/small-jet-crashes-into-homes-in-indiana-neighborhood-authorities-report-injuries/2013/03/17/baeb2bec-8f50-11e2-9173-7f87cda73b49_story.html

Has anyone from the middle east, I mean, midwest, claimed responsibilities yet?

Here is the flight path for N26DK from KRVS to KSBN:

Here is the registration data for the aircraft:

A picture of the jet here:

Sorry. I missed the learned discussion of jeft fule.

Cheetah,

Obviously, you are not a pilot or in aviation because if you were you would not be using the word "dimwit". You'd wait for an investigation to determine the primary cause and contributing factors to the accident before jumping to baseless conclusions.

It's called a 'developing story' people. Shut the hell up already.

From WSBT's Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/WSBTNews):
8:07pm

BREAKING UPDATE: Dr. Mike O’Connell, St. Joseph County coroner, confirms there were “some fatalities” in the South Bend jet crash. No exact number at this time.

Earlier this week I bought fuel at 3.72 a gallon.

Cheetah sounds like a cat stuck in a dimwit person's body while running on low fule.

8:18pm

BREAKING UPDATE: The FAA confirms of the four people on the jet, two were killed.

And Mr. Realist, you've just won our Grand Prize for being the 10 millionth idiotic poster to post "Ban cars/planes/spaghettios" comment on Newsvine! You and a guest will be given a deluxe one-way ticket to Fox Nation, where everything is about guns! You also receive one free e-course to Glenn Beck's University of I Don't Remember! Congratulations!...

Realist17 - This is one of those times when obsessive anti-Obama behavior (such as yours) is inappropriate. My prayers are with the families affected by this tragedy.

Realist is defending private air travel and doesn't even know why. Circular reasoning doesn't get you anywhere.

Realist17

Ironically, there will be a NTSB investigation and depending on what the caused the accident, the government could propose new federal regulations covering such topics as aircraft design, maintenance, pilot training and virtually any other area to minimize the probability of such an accident happening again. It's impossible to prevent an aviation accident, but it is possible to minimize their occurrence. Thank god air transportation is not governed by something like the 2nd Amendment, which is why is the safest form of transportation around.

B707320C,

You forgot the part where the victims' families of this air crash could, in theory, file a civil suit against the manufacturer of the plane. They might not get a dime, but it is something they could do. Unlike firearm manufacturers, whom are immune.

Pragmatic, if you want to actually look at things pragmatically, then you should at least compare apples to apples.

If there was nothing wrong with the plane and the pilot deliberately flew it into the ground, the plan manufacturer would not be held liable. Just like if somebody commits murder with a gun, the gun manufacturer would not be held liable.

On the other hand, if the plane crash was due to a manufacturer defect, then the manufacturer can be held liable. Just as if a gun kills somebody due to a manufacturer defect, then the gun manufacturer can be held liable.

But that's ok - don't let logic get in the way of your political agenda. It's what makes you a lib.

Just as if a gun kills somebody due to a manufacturer defect, then the gun manufacturer can be held liable.

False. Firearm manufacturers are immune from lawsuit. They have zero liability, even in the case of defect (which is very difficult to prove anyways, since the normal operation of a firearm is to discharge a bullet.)

False. Shooters can sue the gun manufacturer if the gun does not work properly. Look it up. What is true is that victims can't sue the gun manufacturer for the actions of the shooter.

Again, sorry to let facts get in the way of your political agenda. That's the problem with liberals - every now and then their bleeding heart arguments run into people who actually know the facts.

But don't let that prevent you from spewing your propaganda all over the place - it's what makes you a lib.

Show me a single incident where a case has gone to trial. Because I'm aware of several that have been dismissed on the grounds of the law where any other industry would have gone to trial.

I don't have to show you anything. For once in your life, do some research and learn the facts. There have been cases where gun manufacturers were held liable. But that's ok - go ahead and continue to spread falsehoods. It's the only thing that liberals like you are able to hang your hat on.

At least when it comes to guns, I suppose your bleeding heart is in the right place... so your falsehoods don't create that much harm - worst case is that we overregulate the gun industry. But when it comes to your falsehoods on larger issues like our economy, people like you are going to run our nation into the ground by spreading your lies, all in the interests of a political agenda.

Realisticly speaking, he sounds like a dick.

Because when you take all of his trolling quotes together. He's the dumbass who brought politics into the conversation. Obama this Obama that. Go to bed you sore loser!

I don't have to show you anything.

Because you have nothing. The law had a chilling effect. That's why Remington sold defective 700 bolt-action rifles for years and hasn't been to trial since 1998. And because gun manufacturers are also immune from consumer protection laws, they didn't have to do anything to fix it, so long as it doesn't impact the price of their shares.

For once in your life, do some research and learn the facts.

Researching is how I make my living.

But that's ok - go ahead and continue to spread falsehoods.

It's called spin. You know, like saying that we should ban planes because people might die. Then complaining that I'm not comparing apples to apples.

But when it comes to your falsehoods on larger issues like our economy, people like you are going to run our nation into the ground by spreading your lies, all in the interests of a political agenda.

Look, you can pigeon hole me without knowing a dang thing about me and play the partisan game. But you're only playing into the hands of both parties who've been whittling away our civil rights for decades. Divide and conquer. Or you could assume you don't know everything about a person and find things out. See, this is how decent people behave.

But maybe I'm stupider than I thought for coming on newsvine and expecting decent people. Given the comments about an incident that has killed people, the comments are just disgusting.

pragmatic

Show me a single incident where a case has gone to trial. Because I'm aware of several that have been dismissed on the grounds of the law where any other industry would have gone to trial.

Here you go:

"Remington settled the case in 1995 for an undisclosed amount. In 2001, the court sealed the case from public review at the request of Remington."

PS

This also shoots down the old saying, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/judge-unseals-files-in-remington-rifle-lawsuit/article_01c09479-e3c6-5217-8223-10aeda26802f.html

B707320C

Cheetah, Obviously, you are not a pilot or in aviation because if you were you would not be using the word "dimwit".

Obviously, since pilot error is the cause of half the airline crashes in the last 60 years (over half in the last 30), Cheetah has the odds in his favor. Of course, the same could be said of dimwit Newsvine posts.

Pragmatic, I know all I need to know about you based on the fact that you're willing to go way beyond spin, and outright misrepresent facts in order to support your political agenda. Maybe it's not your fault - maybe your a sheep to so-called news networks like nbc who only present one side (their biased side) of an issue. But whatever the case, when I see people like you who misrepresent facts, I call you out. If you can't handle it, then perhaps you would be advised to be a better researcher and actually learn those pesky little things called facts before you spew your falsehoods for other people to read (and the more gullible people to believe).

pragmatic

PSS

Here is the latest one.

"January 4 2013 Bonita Springs, FL: A defective products class action lawsuit has been filed alleging the Model 700 Rifle Series manufactured by Remington Arms is defective and can fire without a trigger pull due to a mechanism known as the Walker Fire Control."

Over $20 million have been paid out by Remington so far.

http://theclassactionlawsuit.com/law-suit-filed-remington-faces-lawsuit-over-model-700-rifle-walker-fire-control-trigger-mechanism/

I guess Pragmatist can't handle the truth. Liberals often run when confronted with those pesky little things called facts - inconvenient as they may be.

The 1% just became the 0.99999%

Realist17

Yet another death due to air travel... I think it's time for Obama to ban airplanes. After all, if we can save just one life, then it's worth it. I believe that's the dem's rationale for regulation right?

You see, aviation is heavily regulated. You can't buy a plane without background check. You can't just come and pay for one in cash. You can't fly a plane without a special license and training. When it comes to guns you can buy a gun without background check. You can buy guns for somebody else who can't pass background check. See the difference? Plane is not designed to kill and there are all sorts of regulations. Guns are and you can buy them with no trouble. Even cars require special license AND registered to an owner.

By the way most liberals do not oppose guns. There are few people yell ban guns. I am for responsible gun ownership, but when I see a guy dressed like a cowboy with a handgun on his belt walking in a grocery store in our SAFE town I think it is ridiculous. If he dressed like a goofball, how do I know if he won't act like one?

Relax, Obama is not taking your guns away. But try to work your brain at least sometimes and you will understand that guns without record, background check and in hands of crazies are bad.

Realist17, is 17 your age or your IQ? I'm a strong supporter of the 2nd. but its morons like you and Ted Nugent and that raving lunitic Alex Something-or-other, that really screws any hope of defeating gun-ban legislation. People were in thier home and an airplane crashed into it. These people were killed.Family members are mourning and its not cool to bring up this topic in a snarky way like you're doing. You are sounding like an idiot and need to go to bed.

For one thing, jeft fule is a quote from another article. For another, Captain Internet, since the pilot in command is the sole authority as to the operation of that aircraft it is, by definition, the pilot's fault for taking an airworthy aircraft and flying it into the ground. As you dally waiting for history to be written, I'll remind you of EA401 where three grown men flew a 1011 into the Everglades using a nose gear fault for cover.

That a witness used the word 'stall', however inappropriately, and the lack of fire would make me look at fuel exhaustion, which again falls to one place.

Cheetah,

You are right about EA401. It was deemed as pilot error. On landing, the three pilots of the crew became distracted by what was a faulty warning light indicating that the nose gear was not in the down and locked position. It was night. They put the aircraft on autopilot to hold altitude while all three pilots attempted to check on the nose gear. One of the pilots went below deck under the cockpit to visually inspect the landing gear. In all the commotion in the cockpit as pilots moved around to open floor hatches the autopilot was accidentally disengaged and the aircraft began a loose altitude, unnoticed by the crew until just prior to the crash.

Was this accident pilot error? Was it caused by the faulty warning light? How about that it was dark outside over the Everglades? How about the poor positioning of the autopilot switch? Well, the FAA attributed the cause to the crew's inability to proper monitor the flight instruments during landing. The solution was to develop new crew resource management procedures so that by law at least on pilot must fly the airplane while others troubleshoot issues. Since then, there has been one more change....airplanes no longer require three pilots. Now, as you would say, there are only two "dimwits" in the cockpit.

It's easy to blame humans and in some cases they do act alone but in many cases there are many contributing factors. Best to see what comes out of this investigation. In the meantime, you sound like someone that likes to drive--one of the least safest forms of transportation out there.

R.I.P.

Losses of lives RIP my heart out.

Pigotry, your first comment was a joke about this. Anything you say after that really seems insincere.

It would be hard to ban private planes here in South Bend..... Notre Dame football would end up losing money in ticket sales if the alumni had to fly commercial. Sorry, just sayin.....

And let me guess--the jets are all painted green, right?... :-)

Well, cue the first "Ban private jets!!!1!1!" comment in 3...2...1...

Why would you think you're opinion still matters after your first inane post?

Take it up with the jackwagons that hijack every string with their "Ban cars/planes/buses/trains/cannoli/etc.!!!1!1!" inanity on every single bleedin' vine string! Unless, of course, I stole your thunder by getting here first, in which case, you can go — yourself...

And you have a better day, scumbag conservative! Ooh, I bet you don't like it when it's dosed back at you...

what the hell was. that!

Just another "libruls r eeeeevilll peepul!" troll who thinks liberals are to blame for every single bad thing that has ever happened in all human history, tony. I just paid him back in a little of his own coin. Personally, I know plenty of conservatives, and most of them, like most people of any political persuasion, are mostly fairly good people, but I'm tired of sitting silent when one of these people that think liberals are nothing but evil spawn of an entire different species come spewing their keyboard diarrhea on every single vine...

David,

You are not fit for a civil society. And now people are dead. Hope you feel some sense of shame. But that's just a fool's optimism.

yes unfit for a civil society, where unborn babies are thrown in the trash, and convicted murderers and rapists are paroled daily only to re-offend, so much for your civil society.....aint it grand?!!

And conservatives wonder why people won't vote for them.

So that they have something to do except sit on their butt's.

Hey, AQ, My comment #1.3 might help you (copied and pasted below):

Pigotry

Has anyone from the middle east, I mean, midwest, claimed responsibilities yet?

#1.3 - Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:37 PM PDT

DHS is all over the place. A plane crashes into some kind of building and I thing they will be there ASAP just in case it wasn't an accident. This sure appears that it was an accident, but I think anymore DHS will error on the side of excess rather than ignore something that later turns out to be something else.

The fact is too that we have no idea of what kind of "noise" they are looking at. Any time there is any kinds of rumors about anything, I think they will respond. Probably excessive the vast majority of the time but they don't want to get caught sleeping.

Unfortunately, latest reports indicate at least two people are dead. Unfortunate, and I hope the death toll does not rise higher...

Actually, I believe it's 4 now. I live in SB near the airport so I'm trying to keep up with things.

Maybe because "NO FUEL" ? ? ? Ran outta gas and the BRS wasn't hooked up yet.

They are saying the basement is full of fuel, so obviously it had nothing to do with lack of fuel.

They are saying his plane stalled. There is a field, but not a large one! On the other end of the field is MR Falcons and I'm sure that had a lot of people in it since it's St Patty's day.

Do you think the pilot intentionally aimed for the houses? Could you possibly be that stupid? Clearly you know nothing about aviation..

Uh, read the story. They made several approach attempts, couldn't land for some reason, and on this approach, the plane stalled and went down. Jets don't "glide" well, particularly at relatively slow speed, like when they're trying to land.

Yes, I heard it was 4, thankfully not, 2 is 2 too many! I grew up on Chicago St and still have family and friends that live on that block, not to mention that whole neighborhood. I'm so thankful there hasn't been a fire, hopefully they can get this all cleaned up without anymore injuries.

What about the unfaithful departed?