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Subscribe to RSSPolice discovered a handgun, a rifle and a backpack with four improvised explosive devices, in the room of the University of Central Florida student who shot himself to death. There was also evidence that a broader attack may have been planned, police say. NBC's Mark Potter reports.
A former student found dead in a University of Central Florida dorm room along with makeshift explosives and weapons was planning an attack on the school's Orlando campus, the university police chief said on Monday.
The man’s body was found at about 1 a.m. at the Tower 1 residence hall, apparently from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, officials said.
A fire alarm had gone off less than an hour earlier, and as campus police responded, a 911 call came in reporting a man with a gun, police said. When police went to investigate, they discovered the man’s body as well as a .45 caliber handgun, a .22 caliber tactical weapon and four homemade explosive devices. Hundreds of rounds of ammunition were also found, police said.
The explosives were found in a backpack near the student. They have since been disabled and removed, university officials said.
“Within the last hour we've discovered some material in the dorm room that makes this look like it was part of a planned attack on UCF campus,” university spokesman Grant Heston said in an afternoon news briefing.
The dead man was identified as James Oliver Seevakumaran, a 30-year-old former student in the business school who, though not enrolled for the current semester, was still living in the dorm pending his removal from the tower, officials said.
Notes and writings found in the dorm room indicate that Seevakumaran had a timeline of violence planned, university Police Chief Richard Beary said. No specific individuals were named as targets and he was acting alone, according to preliminary investigations.
Beary speculated the fire alarm was set off by Seevakumaran to draw people out in the open.
"While the crime scene processing was underway in that room we found some notes and some writings that indicated that this was a planned attack," Beary said. "This individual had laid out a timeline and laid out some of what we feel were going to be his actions. We’re pretty confident the fast response and some other situations maybe made him change his mind. At that point, he took his own life."
The man’s roommate had placed the 911 call and locked himself in the bathroom, Beary said. Responding officers were able to locate the roommate and rescue him. In the bedroom, they found Seevakamaran’s body. Later they discovered the weapons and explosives.
Seevakumaran had never been seen by university counselors or psychological services and did not have a record of misconduct, university officials said.
Morning classes at the university were canceled, and the dorm, which houses 500 students, was evacuated along with a nearby parking garage. The school reopened at about noon.
The dorm near the college’s sports arena remained a crime scene most of the day as officers from the FBI, Orange County Sheriff’s Office and campus police investigated, university officials said. It was reopened in late afternoon, though the third floor where the body and explosives were found was still closed.
Counseling services were being offered to students.
"It could have been a bad day for everybody here," said Beary. "All things considered, I think we were very blessed at the University of Central Florida."
Chilling discovery inside University of Central Florida dorm room. WESH's Mark Barger reports.
This story was originally published on Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:11 PM EDT
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sad to say, but thank goodness he did the right thing....and didn't take any " innocent's " with him...
I hate to say it, but I too agree with you.
yea it sounds like the guy was able to gain enough control over himself to take his own life before he went to take others out. What is causing this to happen to people?
Who cares, just another nut case less in this world.
Next!
johngis -
You ask a good question. Nowhere can you find reports whether mass shooters, or young suicides, are on long-term pyscotropic medications. Wonder why.
Shipwrecked - obviously you care or why would you read and comment?! Your concern is underwhelming to say the least.
glad he didn't go postal, but he still went the wrong way.....
the elephant is still in the room: there is no real mental health care in the US, people can go decades with serious psych problems, never getting more than 10 psych visits a year from their insurance, getting denied for inpatient care, and getting no serious long term help if through some miracle they actually get inpatient approval
mental health care in the US is a joke
When police went to investigate, they discovered the man’s body as well as a handgun, assault weapon and several homemade explosive devices.
"Assault weapon?"
Are the other two items NOT "assault weapons?
Oh you mean a semi automatic rifle....
Why don't you call it that then?
Oh thats right, your whole agenda thing...
the question to ask is WHAT is going on with today's youth ?
never has children of any generation been so hell bent on killing themselves or others !
have WE as a society ignored or become numb to the needs of our children, that they grow up with so much depression and instead of helping them we medicate them because we dont want to be bothered ?
As a society we are also not teaching children how to deal with problems. It is give them everything and be quiet, or it is sign them up for every activity or sport. Then is they can't focus, do not feel happy all of the time, can't sleep, can't wake up we label them and medicate them. We NEED to talk to our children, teach our children that the world is not perfect, and how to deal with the problems that come with an imperfect world. We need to be parents. Sorry, maybe that is to much common sense but that is what is needed.
ship wrecked, I have a daughter there, near the Towers. I care.
I bet the parents of the student that killed himself cared (hopefully)
What else would you like to contribute?
I am happy to say it, glad he didn't force his decision on others!
I do wish that this fellow, and his selfish mass-killing relatives, realized there are better ways than violence to obtain peace.
For example, I cook a delicious pizza, its so amazing that it will lift your spirits and help put your life into perspective. If only more of these troubled people had gotten the chance to have some of my wonderful homemade pizza, and maybe chill out playing a cool board game - the world would be a happier place.
If you are reading this, and feeling self destructive, please seek the fun company of others! With various online hobby lists and meeting groups, there are so many ways of meeting new and amazing people that you never knew existed, and having a great time with a beer, a game, and a movie with lots of good humor!
If you don't like your life, change it, please do not destroy it.
Well of course he was! The media has made this such a headline grabbing nation wide attention getting sensation now, what wackjob set on offing himself wouldn't want a shot at the title for a while?
It's a good thing the roommate was able to dial 911 before this guy went on his planned rampage, he probably saved many lives. A good ending, at least better than it could have been.
Edited from a supposed "assault weapon."
I wonder if that was a AR with a .22 upper or a 10-22. I'm not sure what a .22 caliber tactical weapon is.
I would like, for once, some reporting on whether or not these shooters or wanna be shooters were on psych meds or stimulants.
At least he got the order right. Kill yourself first, then take out as many others as you can.
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Guns don't kill. Crazy people with guns do.
And crazy people without guns kill a lot less.
mike
He was a youth. He was 30 years old. I know he is young compared to me. A youth, no.
mr binkie
Unless you own a Remington model 700.
Excuse me if I won't just take your word for it. I'm not blaming the drugs because I don't know, but that is precisely the reason I want to see reporting on it, so I can know.
And only crazy people think we will ever be a country without guns.
mike-2598123: Not sure I would describe this man as "today's youth." He was 30. Also, I don't think this case demonstrates some inherent problem with "today's youth" or with childrearing in general. There were plenty of killers in olden times. Some, like Bonnie and Clyde, became folk heroes (and were younger than this man). More likely this man was something of an introvert, had mental problems, and was facing the loss of his dorm room. So he decided he was going to make UCF "pay" for whatever wrongs he perceived it had done to him. In the end he couldn't go through with it and decided to end his own life.
Sad. Not unprecedented.
reno 911
He was a business major. But he was having problems (financial I think). He didn't enroll this semester and they were getting ready to kick him out of the dorm.
Poor guy. I wonder what led him to this. What was he like at 12, at 18, at 25, last year? What happened? It sounds like he managed to hold on to some heart up to the end.
Anyone else think it a little, I dunno, creepy, that a 30-yr-old is living in the dorms? Yeah, I know it's the cheapest choice for most, but still...
thank goodness he did the right thing?
are you kidding? he didn't have a change of heart or felt remorse. he shot himself b/c he wasn't expecting the emergency team to respond so quickly and he wasn't prepared. most likely he shot himself b/c he was scared.
@SeptikSkeptik
it's called graduate study? or simply someone who entered college late?
and "dorm" being the cheapest choice?
OBVIOUSLY you've never gone to college.
Thank goodness that nobody was killed.
jeff
The cops were responding to a dead guy in the dorm. So I don't think he was scared anymore.
Morton: Technically, that should be: thank goodness nobody else was killed.
nutcase rug-head bites the dust
jeff you are right people were coming with guns so he shot himself . now watch the media try to tell you that is not why. guns do protect people in they are in the right hands . just another nut who did the right thing shot himself before he hurt anyone
Justredd64, "rughead", meaning what? he isn't black and he doesn't appear to be of Arab heritage with the green eyes, so exactly what is your racist remark insinutating? If I remember right the last 5 (or more) mass shootings were done by white kids, did you throw out a racist remark when they died?
Actually Jock, crazy people without guns kill way more because they use bombs and airplanes and take hundreds and thousands out at a time. How many did Jim Jones kill? with poison? People need to get over their gun issues. How many serial killers have used guns? Legal gun owners are responsible, hence the "legal" part. Criminals and crazies will get whatever they want, legal or not. That's why they are the criminals!
The guy was a former student. He planned all the chaos and then changed his mind and shot himself.
They still don't have any proof of any of this, but you all believe it?
How can you all be sure he all of a sudden decided to shoot himself, after staying in campus and planning all this?
Florida, Again. California, Texas or Florida. Take your pick as to where the next headline of this nature takes place. A vast majority of the time, it's always one of these places.
His name would indicate heritage from the middle east dollar to a donut says he was a disgruntled muslim or some such looking to kill in the name of some zealot.
More of these maniacs should take his lead and start their killing sprees with themselves.
Cory, shut the hell up!!! We all know what your "agenda" is. And that is to be rank and clueless. This is a story about a young man that had intended to do a lot of harm. This is not the forum for your gun rant. And yes I do own them (guns that is).
*rolls eyes* Yet another person who doesn't understand the facets of mental illness. Sorry to tell you but you can't just start a hobby and have it magically disappear. It doesn't work that way. In fact, when you are truly depressed, you lose the joy you get from the little things you mentioned. Nothing you once enjoyed seems to matter. So while you have meant well with your comments, those types of things will only help with someone who is in a little temporary funk...not someone who is battling clinical depression or other mental illnesses. Those are attributed to a chemical imbalance and all the pizza and board games in the world won't "fix" them.
Dibs on the ammo!
Why exactly do we want more bullets than Dorito chips on campus?
I'm still pondering the more bullets than crayons in a daycare solution.
Boy, what a tough legacy, that right to bear arms. George Washington never figured we would have to load so many guns and spend so much time and money going to gun shows.
Freedom sure ain't cheap - hardly got any money left to eat on after paying tuition and stocking the arsenal.
Only thing he attacked was himself. Inflammatory journalism again.
It's too bad that gun control didn't pass yet, because then there's no way the perp could have gotten all those guns and bombs, right?
Though I think the roommate should have taken the perp out with a pair of scissors, just like Obama says we should do.
You say you you don't know what he meant then go on to flail the race card around is just too precious.
Yes, he was actually man enough to not hurt others.
Perhaps he saw his monthly payments due after being in school for 12 years for a sh*tty business degree. $700 a month against 100k for life and the only job guaranteed is H&R Block 3 months a year. RIP Bootleg Van Wilder.
TiredVoter
My intention was to expose the writer of using fear tactics when original story was posted. If you noticed, it was updated a short time ago. The writer no longer used "assault weapon."
And I am rank and clueless how?
Second, you are entitled to your opinion as am I.
I do not understand why I should "shut the hell up."
Biased journalism is creating alot of the "hype" regarding guns, and I was simply pointing that out.
Enneagram1
Gee, I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that they are 3 of the 4 most populous states accounting for more than a quarter of the US population.
Just to show the next "Adam Lanza" aka Virginia Tech, attack is moments away. And, or hopefully, an if....A good guy with a gun will be able to do a darn thing to stop it.
Not when they have bombs genius.
Agent00..7
It's the far lesser of 2 evils, either he kills himself or 10's to 100's of students that did nothing other than go to school that day. If someone you care about attended UCF maybe you'd see things differently.
Wow, your insurance sucks. Glad I don't have that plan. Eventually though, when the government takes over the industry, we'll all have insurance like that.
Reno you are an imbecile, hater,and also racist , your comment are stupid and offensive. I don't thing many people even from your side agree with your disrespect, proper of an immature.
reno 911;
You mean a name like (Newt) Gingrich, or (Rush) Limbaugh, or (Sarah) Palin, or even (Zach) Galifiakanis? Yep -- every one of 'em American!
University of Phoenix is starting to look a lot more appealing....sigh
The Quacked One: You mean just like Barack Hussein Obama? Oh wait.....
wow this could have been a very sneaky murder, hopefully the police will keep their eyes and minds open.
think about it, if someone wanted this guy dead, this would have been a diabolical scheme. Kill him, make it look like he was about to go on a shooting rampage but killed himself first, hmmm.
probably very far fetched, but something I thought of when reading the article, seems too simple.
thank goodness that the rampage never happened.
I think we all know how stupid it is to judge people by their given names. Even the people who do it.
It never fails. we got people a couple of guys bitching that all this article does is glorify a would be shooter and incite copy cats. Yet if they buried the incident those same people would be screaming conspiracy.
Then we the guy who just has to slip in an Obama slam and make the claim this @!$%# is happened more because he's president.
Oh and let us not leave off the genius who is making the bet that this was some Muslim religious wackjob. Heads up, the name 'Seevakumaran' is @!$%#ing Indian dude.
I think these poor people just reach the end of their rope. They have no hope, no cash, and no way to continue their life, so they pull the plug. Maybe some bill collector called, maybe his girlfriend told to take a hike, maybe someone cooked the wrong egg for him at breakfast. Whatever it was, it was terminal. I'm sorry to see a young man end his life on such a note, may he rest in peace, but I'm still glad he didn't take anybody else with him.
I have a friend who goes to UCF, I am at a loss for words
johngis
#1. No Morals
@reno 911
You have two, both from the same clown.
followed with:
We've got millions of Muslims in the US, that doesn't mean we're still not considered a "Christian" nation. India may have millions of Muslims as well, but they are still a "Hindu" nation.
American Colleges....where you have a choice of taking out a $50k loan that you will pay for decades or quit school and be relegated to a $10.00 an hour job for the rest of your life.
This student picked option "C".
30? Why was he still able to reside in a dorm?!? And, he was in the process of being removed...what took them soooo long just to be in the process of removal? Makes one wonder what else, who else resides in a dorm. All universities need to use this as a wake up call about policies concerning what is acceptable. There has got to be some perimeters to protect incoming freshmen from such creepy set ups. Shame on UCF for allowing this MAN to reside in the dorm for so long at his age, 30!!! And, the floor he lived on, heard young adolescent women lived on that floor, too! Those parents of those students who reside on that same floor, must be livid! Thank God for the roommate to be able to lock himself in the bathrooms and Call 911 for RESCUE! He is the Hero! This could have been a Huge Disaster that could have been prevented by the school. That guy should have never been there. Just too creepy for a guy to be living in a dorm beyond his early twenties. Isn't there an age limit. What other things reside in dorms...if he got a way with living there for so long, how many others like this are there. Being a mom whose daughter lived in a are really old, historical dorm on a huge campus...by herself her first semester in her own room...Now, I am really freaked out. Thankful, but, freaked out...how stupid are these schools to allow someone to be so old to live in a dorm...that's a Big Red Flag. Universities needs to rethink their age limits...enough of that equal housing, age discrimination....do families with kids wander the halls of these dorms, senior citizens straddling their scooters zipping down the halls? Some folks need to be accountable for this fiasco, breach of security. Dormitory living is not the REAL WORLD, why would the universities try to "make" policies that reflect REAL WORLD living conditions....what a farce. Can only imagine what weirdo lived in the dorms my daughter and son lived. No wonder why they couldn't wait to get an apartment off campus. As a parent, schools don't share that they allow older individuals to reside in dorms with incoming freshmen....hope parents get answers...and officials don't HIDE behind privacy laws to protect themselves. It's a no brainer that guy should have been out of the dorm a long, long time ago.
I'm surprised NBC hasn't branded him a Tea Party member yet, like they did in the wake of the Jared Laughner shootings. After all, why let the truth get in the way NOW???
ATTENTION ALL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS, ANARCHISTS AND OTHER WHACKADOODLES!!!!!!!!!
Please follow this plan for your next act. Kill yourself first before you do anyone else any harm.
Another NUT kills himself
WHO CARES
Has everyone missed the obvious here. This guy has failed the NRA and gun nuts everywhere who encourage such shootings as a way to sell even more guns to mentally ill people. Shame on this guy for taking his own life and letting the NRA down.
Enneagram, please tell me where Newtown, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Minneapolis, Oak Creek, Seattle, Norcross, Carthage, Kirkwood, Omaha, etc., etc., etc. are located.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Next time, try using yours before you try slamming others!
Chris from Yucaipa
You forgot to mention the guy who inevitably comes along and bitches about all of the above.
This could have been so much worse. I hope some light will be shed on why he planned this and what he thought it would acomplish. Maybe that knowledge could help others recognize when somebody is going off the deep end and planning to take innocent people with him before it's too late.
allowing weapons on a college campus is a STUPID idea
@reno 911
Are you on drugs? If not, I would highly suggest you look into them. You posted some retarded comeback that makes no sense at all and then whine about me?
Seriously?
@reno 911
And yet they are still only 14.6% of the population of India. What the @!$%# is your point?
AtlasWillShrug
Wow, your insurance sucks. Glad I don't have that plan. Eventually though, when the government takes over the industry, we'll all have insurance like that.
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if you have better insurance than that, and they end up actually approving/paying for those visits (which I find hard to believe) then you are in the tiny minority of US workers.....
Insurance companies have been writing our laws since Nixon, and it shows today, because almost everybody, except for you I guess, is getting screwed
Many people have coping skills that he did not have. We are able to handle what life throws at us better than others. Luck of the draw, mostly.
@reno 911 - what on earth do you mean calling Chris a 'stinger' ??
Anyway, my two cents is this potential mass murderer did things in the proper order, by taking himself out first... before going after anyone else. Save everyone else a lot of trouble that way.
I'm in agreement with all above that feel he did the right thing taking himself out! It saved alot of heartache and problems all the way around. I would like to know what if any meds he was on?
@ProFreedom-5130956
No clue what he meant but I stop replying to him. It started feeling like I was picking on a retarded kid.
So yet again another person who had guns and had he gone on this crime spree, how soon would he have been stopped. For a few simpletons above who said "what guns on campus bad idea", well criminals don't really think about bad ideas? So you have to match force with force, guns for protection are still the best and sometimes only solution when someone is coming after you with a gun. Now that were past that, you will never ban guns just as you have never resolved the drugs issue, time to try something different, how about education and legalization as well as conceal and carry. I don't think your current path is working too well. Luckily in this case this person did the right thing and took only one life vs. many, the left would of just tried to use it for more leverage on a gun grab.
Mike, kids are being raised by the government now, instead of parents. Kids start school at 5 years old (Obama wants mandatory pre-school now) and spend most of their waking hours at school or doing homework for school.
Absolutely nobody is trying to ban guns. Absolutely nobody is promising to resolve the drug issue. Does that mean that we can do nothing about the massacre of innocent school children with assault weapons? Does that mean we can do nothing about our once bright children becoming drug addicts till death do us part? What alternate universe are you presently living in?
Mankind has been subject to murderous rampages and addictive personalities since we first crawled out of our caves. We have come a long way since then and established societies to effectively deal with these issues. Doing nothing in the interest of fatalism is not an option. We must do what we can to lessen the impact on our citizens simply because we can. Perhaps you left your cave prematurely.
I will freely point you back in the direction of that hole in the mountainside. Pardon me if I don't care to join you in that dark abyss.
Jodilee, You asked about serial killers that used a gun. I remember a couple, Zodiac, and Son of Sam, I'm sure if I took long enough I'd get a few more. Another one, Aileen Wuornos, The hooker in Florida that killed her johns. I agree with you about legal gun owners. How do you think crooks get their guns? Either from theft, or buying them. Either way, if gun owners followed the law, either the gun would be listed as stolen, or registered to the new owner.
Georgia could be next if their proposed legislation to allow guns on college campuses goes through.
The recent spate of gun violence has myriad causes and won't be solved by tackling only a single issue, but one of the most important pieces of the puzzle is the easy access to guns.
We need universal background checks. The paranoid gun cultists need to get a grip...nobody is coming to take your guns.
The article doesn't say where or how this student obtained the weapons and explosives found in his dorm room. I'm guessing most parents of college students would vote to keep guns off college campuses and out of dorms.
DingleB #1.17
From what I saw on the news this morning, the .22 caliber "tactical" weapon appeared to be a GSG-5, which is a .22 caliber knock off of the 9mm HK MP5, complete with fake suppressor to disguise the 16.3" barrel. So, basically a scary looking .22 caliber target rifle.
Good idea Wagewatcher - let's find out what meds he was on so that Obama can ban the meds too!
Commonsense101: How is it you can say nobody is trying to ban guns? Seriously? Didn't NY just ban some? Isn't that what Einstein Feinstein is trying to do? Yes it is, it is a very clear objective and to deny that is to say you are just a sheep parroting the same message as the masters of the left. Trying to ban guns, magazines and ammo of quantities and types. These do nothing to hinder criminals, remember criminals are already breaking laws, the only ones that will obey these are those who aren't the problem today and then create another class of criminals like myself, those who will never give up what they have earned and paid for, for the sake of a government taking advantage of a peoples heart in the right place but misintentioned results.
Will this escalation ever slow down or end? It makes you wonder what this society has come to with all of the mass shootings, bomb/weapons hoards, etc.
You are missing the bigger picture. Why is everyone losing it? Especially all of these college age kids. Seems this generation has some real issues.
Used to be that college students jumped off of campus towers and tall buildings to commit suicide. Now they want to take a lot of people with them. A growing trend in society and cause for concern.
I would say that today's society is much more complex than ever before. With the advent of a technologically driven social atmosphere, we have seen numerous recluses who have the ability to garner hate and the option to do something about it.
Add to that the pressures a young adult faces with peer pressure, in-dependency, and a troubled childhood home, the inability to "fit in"; I think we have a serious societal pitfall in our country. Social values are being pushed to the brink of reality. Single parent homes, poverty levels never seen before. Any combination of the above aforementioned.
A recipe for disaster.
yea its real strange. I dont want to sound like a nut but sometimes i think it could be related to too many microwaves messing with brain activity or subliminal messages plus chemicals or something?
"this generation has some real issues." You think? Skyrocketing education costs, no promise of a job after that education, starting out in life saddled with debt. If you don't get the education, you face a life time of jobs that do not pay enough for you to live at the level that your parents did with the same level of education. Our society is to busy villianizing people for having different opinions of what is right and what is wrong that it is difficult to find a path, or even some place that feels like you belong sometimes. We are more connected electronically, but less connected where it is important- in the real physical world.
+1 Sarah
@Sarah
Young people today have been trained to become employees. Successful people hire themselves and adopt a skill that can be marketed.
"Despite the lack of research about its effectiveness in youth, and evidence of adverse of effects, psychotropic medication rates have drastically increased in behaviorally disordered children since the early 1990s – raising concern from medical, mental health and child experts that it may be overused and understudied." - Boystown.org
"These days, the medicine cabinet is truly a family affair. More than a quarter of U.S. kids and teens are taking a medication on a chronic basis, according to Medco Health Solutions Inc., the biggest U.S. pharmacy-benefit manager with around 65 million members. Nearly 7% are on two or more such drugs, based on the company's database figures for 2009." - Wall Street Journal
Causative? Can't be confirmed, but we clearly are seeing an increase in bizarre outcomes as we continue to increase medications for our children.
Warren, if young people today are being trained to become employees, who is training the "successful" ones who are adopting a skill that can be marketed and hiring themselves? Are you saying that more of that is the solution?
anti-trust proponent
there is no escalation, it's just getting reported every time because of the current public debate and for web hits.... nothing is new: the US has no serious mental health care... and we've never had it
Another way of saying it would be "increase diagnoses in our children"
Big Pharma loves to invent syndromes/illnesses/diseases only to have a shelf-ready prescription that does not cure, but only treats the fabricated issue on a life long basis.
$$$
Tea -
Yep. If you need a "medicine," we can come up with the appropriate TLA (Three Letter Acronym).
Soon to be treatable: RTF - restless trigger finger. (If you need help paying for your medication, call us!)
@ Sarah & Tea - I think you can add to that list that today's kids are more greedy and "me" centric then ever before. Somebody owes them something and if they don't get it somebody's going to pay. They don't care who.
Perhaps they don't have any faith in the society they live in, see no way to have a decent life in such a messed up and chaotic environment where lying and cheating has become accepted as the norm - even to start wars with other countries. Or maybe it's the water, pesticides, or GMO food, perhaps a recessive human gene that comes into play whenever the organism feels excessively crowded by others. Most likely it is because they haven't met "NoLiberty" (#1.13) and sampled some of his pizza.
I'm holding out for the pizza guy ..make more pizzas buddy !! Hurry !!
finally some people really discussing the issues, instead of blaming guns and explosives. About time, a lot of good questions from people. Drugs, discipline, technology, kids have everything they want, they don't know what it's like to grow up poor, even the poor don't know what it's like to grow up poor. Poor was the 20's recession, when the food ran out, its was out, not like today, even the poorest person if they seek help will get it.
Good example, the GF and I just went and got the kid a pocketknife for whittling wood for his Boyscouts badge, he opens it up and his like "awwww, it's only got 2 blades" and I'm like listen here kid you don't know how good you have it, you have more than you could ever have, be grateful for it, and if I could of, I would have liked to swat his bottom a few times for his ungratefulness (not my kid, otherwise he'd known discipline and right from wrong and being humble), he'll never learn, it's so ingrained in our culture, media, school system. These kids are nothing but ungrateful little @!$%#s and if you have a decent one that is thankful, feel lucky because there isn't many out there. You literally have to start from birth with these kids and do it right from the start.
Wait till this next generation grows up even more dependent than the last and spoiled you think the shooting are bad now, give it another 10-15 years you're gonna see a lot more.
When I finally have my first kid, he/she will get spanked for acting up along with why and what they can do to improve their behavior, I don't want a spoiled child, he/she will not get everything they want and they will be happy. They will be loved, to many parents just having kids for either a gov't paycheck or just having them to have them. Stop having kids if you can't afford them or don't want them.
Sarah, you probably hit the nail on the head. Look at the B.S. & Stress that goes on in everyday life.
all these posts are spot on but these days the mix of people from the middle east also adds to mixing pot for disaster, face it as Americans we hated and wished dead many many other countries
anti-trust proponent
Gun violence is HALF what it was just 20 years ago and the trend continues downward. Escalation?? You must be referring to media coverage.
BRYAN-2744138
You seem to think that child torture = discipline. Do you have proof that this (30 year old!) 'kid' wasn't routinely hit as a child? I work with kids who were beaten and let me tell you, they are the dangerous kids. The kids who aren't hit in the home are much more grounded. Discipline should be teaching and guiding. It should be happening at all times, as much as possible. Consequences should never be the physical torture of a child's body. That's what you're talking about. Child torture.
I was never hit as a kid, my husband was never hit as a kid. We have no interest in weapons and we don't have a violent bone between us. We own our own business and employ others. Our kids were never hit. Three out of three earned academic scholarships and one was a Presidential Scholar Award winner.
It might make you feel big and bad to beat on a newborn, toddler or small child, but you'll only be instilling fear. Earning respect takes honor and integrity. Real men don't hit women and children. Please don't reproduce. Ever.
johngis
But you should have stopped right there if that was the case. Anytime you bring up subliminal messages you are going to sound like nut.
Maybe if we stopped picking fights with Third World countries so many people around the world wouldn't hate us so much. And I don't just mean the Iraqs and the Afghanistans of the world, either; WTF did Grenada ever do to us? Why were we supporting the Mobutus, the Pinnocets, the Husseins of the world?
Blowback ain't coming, its here. And to be honest we deserve every single lick we get and then some, for crimes against humanity both here and abroad.
The lad was not from the Middle East. Try India, gang.
He was closer to those other business majos, them good ol' boys and gals, Governor Piyush "Bobby" Jindall and Governor Rikki Tikki Tavi Nikki Haley.
Irony - Ceylon has great tea!
1devon-BULL@!$%#! Calling it as I see it.
1devon; I just went back and re read the post that you are responding to so that I can make sure I did not miss anything and nope I did not. Bryan said nothing of beating his kid, infant, or any other type of child, and he did not even mention touching a woman.
He said he will discipline his child and explain why when he does if his child acts out in a manner that requires punishment. You are the typical ignorant lib who automatically decides that if someone spanks their child they are beating them. I am glad that you were never beaten but I would be willing to bet that you were spanked like most kids over 30 were. I am also glad that you never beat your child but you did give your child something that most parents do not now a days and that is you gave them attention not just stuff.
Why do libs always make up stuff like you did??? Why do libs lie so much, like you did??? Why do libs automatically say that if someone goes shooting or hunting or was in the military so they enjoy shooting firearms they are the problem??? I think libs that make ignorant comments and lie like you did, are the ones with the problem!!!!
No, I was not. And I am over 30. My father was military and felt there was no honor in hurting another person unless in self-defense. We were taught to use words, not fists or hands. My entire family is military with graduates from the Air Force Adacemy and West Point. You are the one making things up. You assume you know what my childhood was like. You assume I was hit, just like you assume this guy wasn't. Where in my post did I talk about firearms? And as far as the military, I have more respect than you.
As far as my own children and 'things', they simply weren't materialistic. We live in a somewhat isolated area with very little shopping. They asked to go hiking, skiing, fishing and swimming.
There's earning respect and then there's instilling fear. Real men, honorable men, don't hurt women and children. Pain doesn't equal discipline. If you set the bar high with respect to behavior, teach and guide with integrity, they will follow. Most Americans hit their kids. Just look at these comments. Anytime there this subject comes up, the people who want children whipped and beaten, out number the people who believe that a 2 year old little girl should be given the same amount of bodily protection we give a 200lb. man. We are one of the few countries where children are still beaten in schools. Look it up. You are ill informed on every level.
I think the world hatred goes a lot deeper than that. I think a lot of what you see is cause by the "Jones Effect". The same as you see here in the US, people envy what other's have. The US is rich by world standards. We could be the nicest country in the world and a good portion would still hate us because they don't have way we do and they want it.
So on one had there seems to be another despirately mentally ill person. On the other hand it is a win win that he killed himself instead of using weapons and explosives to do damage to others.
Win, win? How about lose, win?
Cappy-1911
BYOB; Be You're Own Boss.
Teach you're self.
Yet gun shops freely use that term to describe their SA rifles for sale. So if the experts think they are, who are you to contradict them?
Impact Guns in Utah think they are Assault Weapons. Guess money talks.
http://www.assaultriflesforsale.com/
R. Scalzo
The experts DON'T think they are, they just know how to market to morons. (oh, and as long as we're on the subject, SA generally refers to "single-action" not "semi-auto")
guitarick12345
If you are going to whine and cry about people making assumptions you should avoid doing the very same thing yourself.
Guitarrick...
Wow...you seem to have some seething concerns given the fact that you don't know me and instead choose to rant on. So here we go....
You know really if you are going to be ugly you should at least understand my total perspective. I am the mother of a teenage child with impulse control issues and depressive episodes. I have been engaged with the advocacy of my son since he was four. It has been my, almost full time job, just advocating for his best shot in life. There are times he absolutely shows his brilliance and other times where he just can't get his footing. Perhaps I don't have the course credit for Psychiatrist or Psychologist but I damn well know how to advocate and navigate the miserable system of mental health support our nation offers. Exactly what stigma have I perpetrated? I think given the media accounts of this incident reinforce my statement; A 31 year old unregistered student, who is facing eviction from his dorm, has spent time plotting and planning an attack on other students instead of organizing the reality of his own life, made a decision to pull a fire alarm in a effort to corral students, gathered weapons and build explosive devices, pointed a gun at a fellow student, then ultimately committing suicide. What about that screams in touch with reality? Based on media accounts this man never sought out support for his dark thoughts. He instead planed and gathered the tools to murder.
I think that is wonderful. That first you are dealing with emotional issues and that you have a education and I hope that you are making the most of your life to be a productive member of society. I don't believe that I made any mention of intellectual abilities in people with emotional problems.
No I am not retarded. If you need the educational resume I attended a prestigious, private, university and graduated with a degree in communications with a minor in advertising and public relations and media. In my private sector days I was climbing the ladder to success.
First of all if this were an issue of "most people" it would not have made national news. I would like to know why you feel this was a terrorist attack. I could probably buy into the line of jealousy as being part motive...but then that has not been discussed in any media account and a skewed perspective on reality is a very real possibility. Again, he spent weeks working out the details of the attack. So perhaps he was jealous enough of students who were pursuing their educations when he was not any longer. If it comes out that this guy had some political statement in a manifesto then perhaps we can agree on terrorism.
I didn't discuss any stats on mental illness or stats on who is a threat to society. I am a responsible gun owner myself. All of my kids know how to handle fire arms and my darling son, who has issues, harvested his first buck this year. He is also very capable with a bow although I am not a fan of him out in the blind with a bow to hunt. I find taking my daughter to the range to shoot to be a great time. My other son got his first buck this year too. It was a rite of passage for them, at the age of 13, to get their hunting licenses and sit in the blind next to their dad and their uncle with a shot gun. It is a way that we teach our children a very strong respect for life. They do not kill what I will not cook. Taking the life of an animal comes with great responsibility. I'm certainly not ready to give them unfettered access to firearms but I know that they are all capable, focused and responsible with weapons. I know that they have a respect for life.
Again, emotional problems do not necessarily equate to intellectual deficits. I am sure that the list of brilliance with emotional need is much longer than three people.
Such venom for someone you do not know. Again, I have advocated for my son in two countries over the course of nine years. I volunteer in our school district for children who need a mentor. Two weeks ago I received a call from school informing me that my daughter has decided to deprive herself of food and was intentionally only eating once a day at our evening family meal. She is not bulimic but is treading a very slippery slope. She is normally very open and God bless her out spoken but chose not to share her intentions with me. She said it was because I have been dealing with so much lately. So I do what I do best and that is advocate for the needs of my children. She is now receiving extra support both inside and outside of the family.
So here is my enlightened perspective on mental health support in the United States.....As a nation we actually do stigmatize mental health issues that can be effectively managed with support and knowledge. We often isolate people who need inclusion. As a nation the mainline to receiving support is through our public education system. Where it may be a reasonable assumption to believe that it is an effective distribution system it is inadequate to addressing the professional and medical needs of kids and young people in our country. In the United States it is very difficult to find reputable support for kids and young people who need guidance, coping skills and sometimes medication to function with the troubles of mental illness. In trying to locate a psychologist for my daughter I ran across any number of "therapists" with diploma mill credentials. One man was actually offended at my question of his qualifications. He made the mistake of saying, "don't you trust me?", my response was, "I don't know you yet, to trust you with my child." He said he would call me back for a proper interview and go figure he hasn't called back.
In this country we have left our children out to dry often alone with their own concerns, be they dysmorphic issues that plague both boys and girls or depressive issues or impulse issues or reality issues. We have a society where parents are disconnected from their children or feel that if they seek out support they are negatively labeling their children even if the issues can be managed and understood. So where are we in America, it seems in a country where parents or partners are not open to advocate for those they love.
One last one here....my other son has these two friends, both girls, who are active cutters. So they talk to my 13 year old son and tell him their troubles. One of these girls lives in an abusive environment and truly needs a way out and someone who will help her understand that she is a valuable soul. The reason I found out that she was in such a bad place is that she got angry with my son and every time she saw him for a week she would "viciously" lash out and scratch him. It is actually on a video at the school and she was suspended for her action. I fought for her not to be suspended as that actually did not resolve the deeper problem. In that effort I also reported the cutting, abuse and other issues that my 13 year old boy had been holding as secrets. The other girl over spring break shared with my son that she was going to commit suicide. She said that maybe she would just cut herself deeper than usual. Again, he held this in confidence until I found the text trail of her intent. For some reason my 13 year old son thought that he could fix her sadness. Because, of the massive complication of the problem I had my son call the suicide hot line and ask them how he should talk to her and move her toward seek active help. Fortunately, it worked. She called them and she spoke with her mother before I did and they are moving forward in getting her the support she needs.
So I don't get your perspective of an "enlightened society" because the one that we live in likes to cover up what it sees as flawed instead of embracing the gift and supporting the need.
The young man in this article certainly had a need for support or an advocate because he has spent time actually drawing out a murder plan and collecting the tools to carry it out.
what a load of CRAP! parents need to start parenting again!
learn the word 'NO' and use a belt when the kid doesn't listen.
problem is, extreme liberalism has created a society where its ok
for a kid to call DYFS when disciplined -- idiots running the asylum...
Issues?
YOU BET.
TOO MANY GUNS.
This is just another suicide that would not have happened without the easy availability of guns. You will say that he would have just chosen another method but few methods are as successful as a gun - 85% versus about 2% for pills.
More liberal noise. This particular gun shot its owner. Good gun. Good gun.
Like He Couldn't have Jumped ??? SRS You are so Naive !!
What about the bomb materials that he had. He could have used those and taken out many others with him.
Donna P-2692688
You weren't supposed to think about that. Now they will want to register ALL bombs. Just think, if all he had were several homemade explosive devices & no handgun or one of those murdering assault weapons, this guy would never have killed himself or anyone else. Everyone has bomb making supplies just laying around, don't they?
So do you actually give a damn about suicide in general or just suicide with guns? BTW, people who REALLY want to kill themselves will do so. Your Brady/Blooberg stat on 2% of pill attemps probably includes every single person that ever took more than 500mg of Vitamin C. Failed suicide attempts are cries for help/attention. People who mean business don't attempt, they do it.
Deerhunterbow1 - Your comment is close to reality. Every home has material that can be used to make explosive devices. All a person needs is the knowledge of how to do it. How many U.S. trained military personnel are given that training every year? How many non-military citizens have knowledge of that ability? Sadly, the media likes to hype up the gun issue to support the current administration's efforts to disarm the populace. People who believe gun control will stop violence are either uneducated, in denial, or have a desire to control other people.
AvgJoeTX: I don't think you want to go there, really. There are books published and sold privately that show people how to modify their semi-automatic weapons into automatic ones. Totally illegal, but its being done right now.
Anyone can take anything and make it into something entirely different. The McGyver principle.
Couldn't he have used the homemade explosives if no gun was available?
IAMMYOWNWOMAN - True but most modifications require the tooling and ability to perform complex machining tasks. If you're a few thousanths off, it won't work properly. There are a few that can be converted to full-auto rather easily, but they are probably 40-60 years old and are almost considered antiques.
SRS-798254
Issues?
YOU BET.
TOO MANY GUNS.
This is just another suicide that would not have happened without the easy availability of guns. You will say that he would have just chosen another method but few methods are as successful as a gun - 85% versus about 2% for pills.
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1- the genie is out of the bottle with guns.... the world is awash with them and if they were all banned today, they would still be just as available as drugs... completely available.
2- the suicide success rate for falls over 40 feet is about 99%... people seem to be able to figure it out without a problem
the 'if guns weren't available' argument is a complete fallacy akin to saying "if we just drained the oceans, nobody would drown"...... they will always be available...
so get on board with any answer that is actually within the realm of possibility.....
South Korea, China, Japan all have two times or higher suicide rates than US, and yet guns are illegal in those country.
People could kill themselves easily with or without guns, like hanging, jumping off building, overdose, or gas...
SRS - Are you a troll or are you really that stupid?
SRS-798254
So how exactly did you miss the part in the story about the explosive devices in the bag next to him??? What is the success rate of suicide if you set of a bomb you're holding??
Aside from the fact that the sole purpose of a gun is to kill something society has done to the gun what it did to the old west. We have glorified it. Hollywood created shoot-outs in the street and soon people thought it was 'manly' to own a gun. Loud and scary. You didn't have to face your problems. You could hide behind a trigger and let a bullet be the man. So we can't blame the gun as much as the mentality that put it where it is in our psyche. If more people understood that facing your problems is manly and pulling a gun or a knife is cowardly we might not have as many folks trying to make their mark.
Try the Citizen's Commission on Human Rights. I think they try to compile this data.
non par so I bet your idea of facing your problems is rolling a joint and getting stoned, right lib????
If you had half a brain you would not be so ignorant so maybe you should learn a little more and quit doing drugs so you are not so ignorant!!!
The majority of those who own firearms have never attempted to take another life or use it to fix their problems. The majority of those who own firearms use them to go hunting, sport shooting, and do things with their families.
The only ones using them to act like men are the ignorant little gangbangers who think they should live off the back of the hard working citizens. They are not law abiding citizens either, they are just looking for the easy way and a free ride. I wonder who they voted for, or would have voted for if they were not total loosers??? I also bet they are the same ones out selling the drugs that you seem to like according to your picture!!!
If you lived in Orlando you would understand. I'm surprised this kind of thing isn't a weekly occurrence there.
Orlando, home of Mickey Mouse ?
On second thought let's not go to Orlando, tis a silly place.
@Snikt....
Good movie... Have it on disk.. My favorite... Tim..
For many people living has become very stressful to handle. We are increasingly moving toward frame of mind that sees possibilities, things one want to have, the status one want achieve but cannot find a way. Ultimately there are only so many people who can be rich. Most people will be in lower middle class in a world where some can hit jackpot by being right place at right time and right idea.
We have to have capacity to accept life that is substandard by our own measurement to continue to live.
WTF are you talking about?? Even after the last disasterous 10 years we still have 30% more wealth (adjusted for inflation) than our parents did at the same age. In addition, income mobility is a widely accepted fact-http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/Documents/incomemobilitystudy03-08revise.pdf
Backcountry, the study you provided a link to is 8 years old and BEFORE the economic downturn. I think the housing market tanked in 2008!
I think people are more selfish and less empathetic than ever; when young adults realize that life's not all that easy, they're willing to lash out. They have had access to materialistic lifestyle via their parents, but then they have a hard time once they're out on their own, and it's probably compounded by the fact that jobs are harder to come by (less benefits, too).
He could have used explosives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, he got it right.
1) Shoot Self
2) Plant Bombs All Over Campus
3) Go on mass killing spree.
2 & 3 are pending and pending and pending and ---------
Thankfully he didn't hurt anyone else. Sounds like he was preparing for a war. Glad he didn't carry it out.
Sounds like he was preparing for a war.
I wonder if they can find out how many hours of MSNBC he watched per day. Sounds like some kind of loon fueled by the hate being put out on MSNBC 24/7.
He was a butthurt repub. They are the only ones "angry" about things. Liberals are happy as it gets, and the future only looks better. Like you, all angry and butt hurt because your side didn't win. If you weren't, you wouldn't be spamming every thread with anti-Obama crap.. lol.
MoreJustice....you were dropped on your head as a child I would wager....
@!$%#en obama lovers LOL
Are you really happy with the way things are? Come on really? Hey the guy I voted for lost and I dont care. Im not mad Im not going to kill anyone or my self. But thats what you Oldmanbamma fools keep saying about the repub.s Good you @!$%# faces won so now that you won go do something good with your puppet instedad of @!$%#ing things up even more.
Its these same people that when things get bad never admit they voted for it in the 1st place. You are all just a bunch of lying @!$%#s any way.
Guns or no guns this looser killed himself. He may have written an entire plan but when it came down to it he really didnt know to excecute it so he did the only thing he could, Kill him self before anyone could make fun of his dumb ass. Just another one that can talk the talk but CANT walk the walk....you know the $30.00 millioniers of the world lol
If he didnt kill him self we would just have another jerk off on facebook complaining about their misserable life every single day. @!$%# this guy and @!$%# obama and his muslim ass.
more justice; More proof libs are ignorant. All of the past shootings have involved libs!!!! Blows your ignorant comment out of the water....... I read most of the comments so far and the only ones making really ignorant comments are the libs. The anti gun morons are going to be upset when the truth comes out that this was another looser lib just like all of the past ones have been.....
Sure would be nice if the news would quit trying to make it sound like a .22 is a tactical assault weapon, trust me it is not even close to being one. It is like using the term smart lib, they just do not go together. A .22 is something you might go target shooting with or maybe even rabbit or squirrel hunting but it is not a tactical weapon of any sort!!! The reporters have fallen for the ignorance of feisntein and believe that plastic makes a .22 into something it is nor will it ever be and that is an assault weapon!!!
Wrong, not one was a lib. You guys keep trying to claim they are, but the fact is they weren't. Just because some voted liberal in the past, doesnt mean they were at the time of their shooting spree's.
The fact their computers were full of right wing fear-mongering is telling. That's why they attacked the targets they did, all liberal targets. Liberals wouldn't attack other liberals. And liberals tend to be non-violent anti war. So it goes against everything they stand for.
I wont waste my time pointing out all the evidence. Anyone who really wants to know, can find it easily themselves. I did.
When you mix mental illness, and people telling them that this group or that group is out to destroy America, and all the other nonsense that the right wing media has been dishing up, tragedies are bound to happen.
To those who are asking the question "What's different today causing these young people to lose it?"
Drugs - the legal kind - pharmaceuticals - specifically SSRI's/psychotropic drugs.
But we can't talk about that. It would eat into big pharma's profits too much.
And for those who just love Congressional Investigations, this would be a worthy topic: correlation between the overmedication of our children with homicidal and suicidal results.
But the pharma companies have way more money and lobby power than the NRA could dream of.
I think that kids don't have the social skills necessary to adjust into the world we live in. Also, they don't have coping skills to deal with life when for many I think have never been told "no" and got a purple star for everything. Disappoint and fear come into play. For many I don't think there is a family support system that I know I was greatful to have. I wish there was an easy answer.
It used to be that interactions between school kids were done face-to-face, thereby teaching them social skills, reasonable handling of disagreements, etc. Now kids spend their after-school time on Facebook and other "social" media, exchanging insults and threats, and spreading rumors about other kids. For some, it can become torment beyond what they can endure. It can lead to thoughts of suicide, revenge, crime sprees, etc. It also is leading to an epidemic of obesity and other health problems. Parents should restrict access to the internet and encourage their kids to go out and engage in sports, games, and socializing in the real world, and not hiding behind their PC's.
There are demons among us...
Hell's Bells
There's a devil in my dick and some demons in my semen.......
No respect for life...not his own, nor for others...but, what kept him from killing others before he killed himself.? We will never know. Hopefully, the police found all of the explosives. Sad....that there is a desire to hurt others because of their own pain, unforgiveness and bitterness, a fatal combination that destroys people.
A lot of these events that are now being sensationalized by the media would have only made the local newspapers in those towns a few years ago. But apparently the media is being used to support the ongoing effort by the Amerikan People's Kommunist Government to grab more and more control over peoples' lives. There have always been young people who commit suicide. There have always been students who had contraband in their rooms. But if this stuff can be made to look like an epidemic, it supports the agenda of those who would (and are trying to) invoke the "Big Brother" of "1984".
Sure, it is tragic for the student and his family, but the world will never be 100%safe for 100% of the people 100% of the time. And to control everybody all the time is more to be feared than a few nuts running around.
Yeah! Just like they are trying to control the women and tell the same sex couple they have no rights.
little so called savvie; you are on the wrong story. I am sure if you looked around you will find a story that is complaining about how homos are not being treated fairly and another about how so called little girls like you should be able to murder children whenever they want or are inconvenienced by them, it is MSNBC!!!!!
We are assuming that the man and the explosives were related. Maybe not safe to assume that.
Right. Maybe someone else put them there. Maybe it wasn't suicide. But this way it makes for a "sensational" story to support more micro-managing of people's lives by the government.
This sad case merely illustrates the facts. Regardless of strict laws prohibiting both firearms and explosives on college campuses, this individual acquired them and took them there anyway. No laws anywhere will stop mentally unstable people from obtaining firearms or explosives from whatever sources they find and doing illegal things with them. Treat the mental problems first.
Still waiting for dems to demand we ban bombs,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,otherwise am pleased this loser shot self first.
That what we get for taking god out of our school and kids growing up without parents leadership in a god fearing society. get the message before its too late.
There's the usual and well busted pious Christian lie. What is it with you liars for your imaginary pet daemon?
The same laws you whine about protect your children from having teacher led prayers to all the other imaginary celestial beings you don't believe in!
The US is not, and never has been, a theocracy. If a theocracy is what you want, move to a mid-eastern theocratic state.
Stoney...Then why is veep biden going to Rome as an official envoy of the US for the pope's coronation??? You should be screaming at the top of your lungs and demanding he does not go....
#1 killer is religion.
stoney...agreed, never a theocracy..BUT..the 1st congress, which was established in New York City, 1789, met at Federal Hall then walked to St. Pauls Chapel for the dedication of this nation to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The 2nd such dedication of a nation under God in the history of the world. St. Pauls Chapel still stands at ground zero(God's law), while the high tower's have fallen(man's doctrine). 2001 was a biblical sabbatical cycle..2008 was another, in which an economic judgement was passed. These are facts!
Mike...are you sure this guy was even raised in the U.S.?.... Whose version of God should we put back in public schools?...
KJB wrote in post 16.2; "Stoney...Then why is veep biden going to Rome as an official envoy of the US for the pope's coronation??? You should be screaming at the top of your lungs and demanding he does not go...."
C'mon, how about addressing what I posted instead of generating a "red herring?"
I'll bite. Why should I be "screaming at the top of my lungs?"
Derbast in post 16.4 wrote; "stoney...agreed, never a theocracy..BUT..the 1st congress, which was established in New York City, 1789, met at Federal Hall then walked to St. Pauls Chapel for the dedication of this nation to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."
I can't speak for the St. Paul's Chapel dedication bit. So, I did a bit of digging. Ok, now what?
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/gw004.html
Derbast in post 16.4 wrote; "The 2nd such dedication of a nation under God in the history of the world. St. Pauls Chapel still stands at ground zero(God's law), while the high tower's have fallen(man's doctrine). "
That the chapel remains while the twin towers and a couple other buildings fell, or were crushed, comes under 'stuff happens".
Twenty years ago there were two earthquakes a few hours apart. A couple was northbound on a two lane road when a boulder fell from the mountain. The boulder bounced on the road then flattened the drivers side of the car. The lady in the passenger seat might have had a few scratches. Another example of 'stuff happens'.
"God's Law" does not apply in a non-theocracy, so I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.
Derbast in post 16.4 wrote; "2001 was a biblical sabbatical cycle..2008 was another, in which an economic judgement was passed. These are facts!"
No, these are not facts. That you believe these things have something to do with your religion is your prerogative.
Lisa M wrote in post 16.5; Mike...are you sure this guy was even raised in the U.S.?.... Whose version of God should we put back in public schools?..."
http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/orange-county/Who-was-James-Oliver-Seevakumaran/-/12978032/19376880/-/5b89nw/-/index.html "Police said Seevakumaran was born on Oct. 14, 1982, and his family live in Sarasota County."
It appears he may have been born in the US. News articles are pretty quick to indicate a place of foreign birth.
As for "who's version of God' should be taught in public schools-Mike's "God", of course.
Another teabagger bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
stupid comment
Dems.....comment sent from your mother's basement I presume????
Why is nearly every insult-laden and/or profanity laced comment on this topic from a tolerant loving liberal?It's becoming pretty obvious who the true "haters" really are...
to bad little girl dem is not smart enough to know that all of the mass shooting have been libs so, we all should be applauding at least this lib only took out himself, maybe little girl dem will do the same for us!!!
The guy had explosives? Arent there laws prohibiting people from having explosives? So much for explosive control.
Alright, Obama wants to control guns. Simple he wants to take away all sources any protection we may have against martial law. for New world order. Anyone who believes otherwise is really not going to make it. and has been brainwashed by the media. You honeslty think that school shooting/kids killing each other/ and homemade expolsives are new to this world. WRONG. They have always been here. You have just not been listening and the media has choosen not to broadcast it to SCARE YOU. My second part in this conversation is that I am 21 years old. I am part of this so called "messed up generation" and I don't appreciate everyones opinion of us "young people" because we know alot more than you do about what is going to happen in the future. We are not all nut cases. I am a hard working. dedicated employee with a stable job and benefits. All of my friends go to UCF and they are not crazy, suicidal teens. I NEVER and Have NEVER commented or even thought about entering my e-mail so I could comment on these websites but enough is enough. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Because most everyone in your "generation" is going down because your to stupid to see through the lies and the truth of the real america. Everyone else knows what I am talking about here.
"AMERICAN AWAKEN" youre right! time to get eveyone in the mobile home park to circle the trailers! Big Brother is About to Attack!.
I am a shooter and love my guns - but son...youre nuts. Yes, the media is a bunch of poop heads "Tactical .22" WTF is that? there is no such thing...its like an "assault sling shot". The average "reporter" knows more about make up and presentation than science, history or economics. We are mislead by the media - but theres no plan by "The Dangerous Dark Man in the White House" to take over...Romney was gonna sell us all down the river if he got to be king..but thats in.
Now for God's sake boy, get some therapy and divest youself of guns - youre too nuts to own any.
Good for you Hans I agree with you 100%.
Not all the young people of the word are stuck behind I phones.
Wait till King O takes your gun away and tries to come to my house for my gun. What he fails to relize is his governement has no control beyound my front doors.
You're an effing idiot....
My son is a student at UCF, and a resident of Tower 1 where the incident took place.
He was home for the weekend, we had plans to leave at 7:00 am for the 2 hour trip to campus, but his friends texted him and told him what was going on.
The campus was closed until noon, we got there shortly after and he had to go temporarily to a friend's apartment off-campus. They have just re-opened the Tower.
The shooter apparently had plans in advance, perhaps he went over the edge because he was about to be kicked out of his room for non-payment. He was a 30 year old student.
When a roommate ran into him, the deceased pointed his gun at him. Why he didn't pull the trigger, only he knows.
The roommate locked himself in the bathroom and dialed 911- campus police responded within minutes, which is perhaps why the suicide (fortunately) occurred. It appears the intent was to get the evacuation underway by pulling the fire alarm, then ensuing death and destruction by having a large number of students in the open, evacuating. Prompt law enforcement response probably prevented further loss of life, the shooter taking his own life when he knew he could not carry out his plans.
Kudos to UCF law enforcement, but the dumbasses should have cancelled classes for the day. 500 students occupy that building that had no access for books, let along being up all night out of their building.
The campus shuttle buses, which are VITAL because the vast majority of students live in off-campus housing- this is the second largest university in the country- were not running, meaning most students couldn't make it to classes this afternoon, anyway.
Apparently, many Professors canceled classes on their own. Dumbass move by the school. Why they had classes held this afternoon is beyond me...
Facts as I know them.
Mike----Thanks for the true upto date info. Glad the room mate immediately called 911 and locked himself up in the bathroom. Thankful that law enforcement responded immediately.
Thanks to you Mike, I won't call my Peanut Gallery investigators on this.
They sent a memo to all faculty asking them to be understanding. I actually thinking canceling classes in the morning was overkill. I had a class that I couldn't go to where the Professor was going to go over assignment instructions and questions.
One fault I have with UCF Police is they waited almost 2 hours to let everyone know what was going on, I think they could have done that sooner. Here are all the text messages that they sent out over UCF alert:
6245: Emergency§9V¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF Alert* Tower one evacuated due to suspicious death. Police on scene. Councilors on way. Info at www.ucf.edu 2:09 AM
6245: Aware§9X¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF ALERT* No threat to campus community related to Tower 1 suspicious death. Updates at www.ucf.edu 2:46 AM
6245: Emergency§A0¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF Alert* Suspicious device found in Tower 1. Evacuation remains in effect, garage G closed. More info www.ucf.edu 4:40 AM
6245: Aware§A3¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF Alert* Mian campus closed for classes & employees until 12. Essential personnel report to work www.ucf.edu 6:03 AM
6245: Emergency§A5¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF Alert* Tower 1 students may report to the UCF Arena at 7am until Tower 1 is reopened. 6:19 AM
6245: Emergency§A7¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF Alert* Main campus still closed. Research Park & other campus locations open for classes & work. www.ucf.edu 6:30 AM
6245: Emergency§A9¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF Alert* Garage G now open, campus still closed and Tower 1 still evacuated. www.ucf.edu 8:11 AM
6245: Emergency§AA¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF Alert* UCF Main campus will resume normal operations at noon. Tower 1 remains evacuated. www.ucf.edu 10:48 AM
6245: Emergency§AD¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF Alert* Tower 1 open except for 3rd floor. See Housing Staff in lobby for more info. Updates at www.ucf.edu 4:46 PM
6245: Emergency§AF¡alert.ucf.edu *UCF ALert* Tower 1, third floor is now open. For more information visit www.ucf.edu 6:38 PM
#21 is a repost of #1.1...
Thank you for calling this a 22 tactical weapon instead of an AR. It would have caused this article to be longer with the segway to " ....that was used in the Connecticut massacre of twenty 5 and 6 year old school children in December 2012"
It seems like I have seen that reference 1000 times.
This is a BS story. This guy was shot by someone else and the guns and explosives were planted on him.
only bs here is your comment.. guess you dont get paid enough as a journalist to actually report on a story,.but can blog at home.and have all the answers... good one...
Jwright, you know this how???? You are just as nuts as the guy who shot himself.
Jwright - the jury is in. Youre a dumbass or a head case - or both. You need to get out of the Trailer Park and stop reading crap on the internet. Try a good book. One you dont buy at the gas station.
Now, yes, I will take fries with my burger.
I presume Bigfoot told you that?
Jwright- you are entitled to your opinion but somehow everybody that is replying back to your comment disagree otherwise cause they started cutting you down and calling you name. The land of the free with the freedom of speech don't exist here it seems, but I have to say Jwright that I do tend to agree with you because the story does not seem to add up. Room in the dorm is not that big and to have those contraband that was mentioned in his room and the roommate is what been clueless? Oh by the way! I do watch movies and I do read books cause movies and books are based on history of what has taken placed and I don't live in the trailer park either. Just saying!!!! Don't put a man down or call name cause he was stating his opinion. Have you ever thought words that are put out by people like you toward another can cause that same person to retaliate in such a manner as what has taken place here. so let the man speak.
Funny how people insult me based on my comment. None of you even know me but you are more than happy to open up with all cannons when someone doesn't view something the same as you. Actually, as a psychology student, I can tell you that this entire story reeks of rotten tripe. If this guy went through all the hassle of making a plan and acquiring his hardware, he wouldn't have killed himself before he initiated his plan, he very well may have afterwords however. Maybe all of you should stop believing every word the talking heads on the boob tube say and open your eyes.
Speaking as a mother who's son will be graduating from UCF in May, I am glad to hear that this was taken care of in a timely manner prior to anyone else getting hurt! Speaking as a behavioral health professional, I wonder if there were any signs prior to it getting this far. I'm sure it will all come out in the end.
"as a psychology student"
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Two words meaning "I know absolutely nothing."
Nice one, man.
he was not a student, he was 30, and he still was in the student dorms?? dont understand how he wasnt thrown out at the beginning of the semester.. what kept him from killing others? didnt get that from the article.. glad he had a smart roommate..glad its only one for the morgue..
Living in the dorms at 30? Wow. It got old when I was 20! nutso nutso nutso!
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Ban guns for sane people with a registry and checks with lots of paperwork. Heck ,lets just tax everyone who has a gun like healthcare or the lack thereoff....so the insane can shoot us all!
Is that you Sen. Feinstaein? The gun registry worked very well in the past for sure. Expert will agree....ones like Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Qadaffi, Idi Amin, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Kim Jung-il. They knew exactly where to get the gun form those that opposed them.....it you did give up the gun, they simply shot you. The numbers of dead would scare you to death too......millions in each country. Stailin killed more russians than Hitler killed of the Jews.