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Dr. Kermit Gosnell in an undated photo released by the Philadelphia district attorney's office.
PHILADELPHIA — A lawyer defending a Philadelphia abortion provider on murder charges accused officials of "an elitist, racist prosecution" as the death-penalty trial opened Monday.
Lawyer Jack McMahon also accused city officials of "a prosecutorial lynching" of his client, Dr. Kermit Gosnell, who is black.
Gosnell, 72, is accused of running a rogue clinic that ignored the state ban on third-term abortions and 24-hour waiting periods. Prosecutors say he also maimed desperate, often poor women and teens by letting his untrained staff perform abortions and give anesthesia. And they say he got rich doing it, by performing a high volume of substandard abortions.
Police found $250,000 in cash during a 2010 search of his home, Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore told jurors. Gosnell used outmoded drugs and improper methodology, forcing women to deliver live babies that were then killed by staff with scissors, she said.
"The standard practice here was to slay babies. That's what they did," said Pescatore, who echoed a 2011 grand jury report in calling the clinic "a house of horrors."
Staff went along with the routine because they were nearly as desperate as the women, she said. The two other "doctors" on staff were allegedly medical school doctors without licenses. The woman giving anesthesia was a sixth-grade dropout who could hardly read or write, Pescatore said. And one of the employees who advanced from the reception area to the operating room was a 15-year-old high school student.
She often worked until 3 a.m. and went to school late each day, Pescatore said.
But McMahon said city officials are applying "Mayo Clinic" standards to Gosnell's inner-city office in West Philadelphia.
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"This is a targeted, elitist and racist prosecution of a doctor who's done nothing but give (back) to the poor and the people of West Philadelphia," the fiery McMahon insisted to the predominantly black jury, as Gosnell sat serenely taking notes. "It's a prosecutorial lynching of Dr. Kermit Gosnell."
Gosnell is charged with killing seven babies born alive, along with Karnamaya Mongar, a newly arrived 41-year-old refugee from Bhutan. Prosecutors say Gosnell's staff gave the 90-pound woman a lethal dose of anesthesia and painkillers during a 2009 abortion.
But McMahon said he will prove that she also had other drugs in her system that did not come from Gosnell's clinic, perhaps from an attempt to self-abort the fetus using a tuberculosis drug. She also had unreported bronchial problems — she did not speak English — and died of complications, he said.
And he said the government cannot prove the seven babies were born alive. There is no physical evidence on five of the deaths; the murder charge is instead based on staff testimony that the babies cried or moved.
Authorities have a photograph of the sixth baby, who allegedly had a gestational age of 30 weeks, and the body of the seventh. But McMahon argued that neither took a breath or was otherwise born alive.
He conceded the case will be emotional and upsetting for jurors and everyone else involved "because we all love babies."
"It strikes a chord in all of us," he said.
Gosnell faces the death penalty if convicted of first-degree murder in the infant deaths. He is charged with third-degree murder in Mongar's death.
Eight co-defendants have pleaded guilty, most of whom will testify against Gosnell. Three of them pleaded guilty to third-degree murder, which carries a 20- to 40-year term. They have not yet been sentenced.
The only former employee on trial with Gosnell is Eileen O'Neill of Phoenixville, who allegedly held herself out as a doctor at the clinic when she was not licensed. Her lawyer was set to give his opening statements Monday afternoon.
The trial is expected to last six to eight weeks.
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Blacks do not commit crimes Of course its racist. He is black. Blacks are made to look guilty by the white devils.
I have been following this since it broke. If Dr. Gosnell's charges are racist, then he's the worst kind of racist because he preyed upon the poor people of the area who were mostly black. He violated Delaware Law by starting late term abortions in that state, and then having the women go to the clinic in Philadelphia because he knew it was illegal to do those abortions in Delaware. It is not racist to prove that his "clinic" did not meet even the barest requirements of ANY medical office. When they went in there, it was filthy. It's a wonder none of the women ended up with infections from the filth.
So bibol, someone took a poll of all blacks in this case? I must have missed the vote because I am black and I am not crying racism in this case. I think he should be killed with scissors since it was his preferred method of murdering babies.
As for the white devils part.............. pretty much true in all cases............... I suspect you have blue eyes and blonde hair because you are white........ right? See how ignorance works? Sure you do, you excel at it.
Kevin S
I am of mixed race. What does it matter anyway. I listen to Al Sharpton. He has never meet a guilty black person. Right now he wants to stop, stop and frisk in New York. Police are mainly stopping blacks above their numbers in New York.
Black Dr, and I use the term Dr. loosely, killing Black babies. What does that make him? I believe bibol is pointing out that Blacks can never be guilty of any crimes on the sole argument they are Black. Like smoking in non smoking area; only a non Black could get a ticket for that.
No offense, but isn't this what most democrats want? Afterall, to put it plainly, Democrats are in favor of late term abortions. They think the earth is already populated enough, so what's it to them if someone is making a buck off these women.
When you start to de-value human life, this is what you get. You reap what you sow.
Kevin S;
"White Devils,, pretty much true in all cases", Really? I could say the same for the black devils. We first encountered them shortly after the civil war. They flocked to the call of their former masters and donned the blue coats and long knives of the oppressor and gleefully rode out with orders to to destroy our villages, children, women and elders. We, the Cheyenne, Lakota, Pawnee, Arapahoe, Comanche and other plains tribes hated the buffalo soldiers even more than the whites. Unlike your white counter part blue coats who would face us, you made it a point to attack our villages when the men were gone hunting or fighting the whites.
We very quickly turned our attention to them and killed them without mercy or quarter. Taking your horses and rifles to use against those who sent you. Those we captured we would bury up to their necks Then we would bleed them to attract our friends the wolves to finish them off.
"See how ignorance works? Sure you do", You excel at it far more them most.
White devils,,, but your ancestors were far worse as far as we were concerned. But then, what the hell right? It's only a bunch of savages right? We do not forgive, We do not forget. Remember that the next time you lose money in one of our Casino's. We are sending our kids to school to get business degrees and start ups are daily. Soon enough, you and your white devils might well be working for us. I wonder, would you think us racist if we treated you all the way you treated us? Murder you, starve you, Intentionally expose you to diseases that would decimate your population? You're kinda the pot calling the kettle black, aren't you?
No, this is not what Democrats want. Ironically though, it's what the conservative agenda on abortion will bring about more and more of.
The more conservatives try to stop legitimate clinics from performing abortions, the more people like this will take advantage of desperate women who think they have no other recourse. Making abortion illegal never stopped abortion -- it just meant that women did it illegally and unsafely.
And that's the point. If this story horrifies you as much as it does me, then conservatives should stop trying to shut down legal abortion clinics, should stop trying to scare doctors and clinics away from giving abortions, should stop putting forward legislation that merely serves to delay women past the time of legal abortion before they'd ever be allowed to get one. It's not going to make it more likely that women go through with the pregnancy -- for a lot of women all it's going to do is make them more likely to turn toward illegal and unsafe means like these.
This is not the liberal dream. This is about as far from the liberal dream as it gets. In fact, this is what the liberals have been trying to prevent from the beginning. This is however a likely result of conservative policy.
As a black male, 4th year medical student, and American proud of my country I am not only appalled at this physician's actions, but also dumbfounded by gall of his lawyer to suggest the judicial response is racist in any way, shape, or form. This is ridiculous and a prime example of attempting to elicit feelings of "white guilt" when this case is NOT even close to being predicated on race.
I, for one, am proud of my heritage and the fact that many from my community, who came before me, were able to transcend puerile race based impediments that severly plagued our society and succeed beyond their ancestors wildest dreams and open doors for me to achieve my goals. I also understand why many from older generations are still wary of whites; however, this neither excuses nor justifies what the lawyer has said. This physician, according to law, is a killer and should be treated as such.
Does racism still exist in America? HELL YES...and anyone who believes otherwise is probably gullible enough to be sold ocean front property in Idaho. However, we, as a nation have made significant progress! I am definitely proud of that!
As far as I am concerned this physician is a disgrace to medicine and a disgrace to my race, and the lawyer provides nothing more than evidence for why many young and educated African Americans are not quick to join the ranks with people like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. Both maintain an archaic ideology and are melodramatic!
No such thing as a race card, and if there is the only people who play it is consistently and without reproach are white (because the mere invocation of "the race card" by whites wanting to avoid the whole discussion of race (which privilege makes exceedingly easy for them to do) is in fact... playing the race card (just in this case its playing the "white race card" aka the "yeah, I don't have to give a damn about race" card))
Yep, it sucks white people but we didn't make the rules of the game. When we colonize half the world an make blackness the norm everyone has to subscribe to then we'll revise the rules. Till then you can call me a nagger and treat me like a lower caste, and in exchange I can call you out for making every single thing about you and your privilege while you end up with better health outcomes and greater personal wealth. Sorry, that's how life's setup in THIS world; facts are facts.
Now, all that having been said, nothing racist here. The "doctor" was just a opportunistic a-hole.
So tired of this black "racist" card playing society..you want racism to end STOP USING IT AS AN EXCUSE! only then will it go away. the most racist people left in this country are blacks looking to cash in on the hardship of their very own history.... Goes to show you that dis-respect, And bigotry has NO COLOR BARRIER!
@UNHAPPY158....
I am completely stunned and I am in such shock right now that I can barely get my thoughts together enough to type. WHO is "FOR" abortion? I've never, EVER met a person that is "FOR" abortion and I am avidly pro-choice. Some people, in their little minds, say that to be pro-choice is to be in FAVOR of abortion. This is said only to evoke an emotional response...nothing more. It is the FURTHEST thing from the truth. To be in FAVOR of a woman's right to choose, to make medical decisions concerning HER body FOR HERSELF (aka Pro-Choice), is NOT the same as being in favor of abortion. NO ONE is in favor of late-term abortion. I am AVIDLY Pro-Choice and I am not IN FAVOR OF abortion. I don't like abortion, but it's a necessarily evil. Until we find a 100% effective birth control, (and don't hand me the abstinence crap, be REAL about this), abortion services WILL be needed. I've never seen, typed to, chatted with, or met a person who was "FOR" abortion. Not even the most bleeding-heart liberal, leftist Democrat(s). This is why there is a FEDERAL BAN on LTA. Late-term (or third trimester) abortions are ILLEGAL in the United States. this is why I say that there can't be racism in this case. Any physician performing LTA's are breaking the law in the US; so if this man performed this procedure- pink, blue, purplse, white or black- he is GUILTY. I honestly can't even believe you made that comment. I would even go as far as saying that NO ONE is in FAVOR of abortion AT ALL. Let me clarify. People are IN FAVOR OF a woman's right to choose either having a baby, giving a baby up for adoption, or having an abortion...which is utterly different than being FOR abortion.
Now about the case. (smh) As a licensed medical provider in the State of PA, I am shocked and saddened by this case. ANY "medical provider" (and I use the term as LOOSELY as possible) engaging in these activities...be it black, white, or purple...should be jailed. I don't even see how racism applies in this case. According to the article above, most of the women in his care for the abortion procedures were BLACK women. This man hurt BLACK WOMEN...how is to hold him responsible for hurting these women RACIST?????? Even if the man didn't perform these abortions at all, he's STILL responsible for the actions of HIS EMPLOYEES. Physicians KNOW when they become Physicians that they are legally responsible for anything that occurs in their practice, by ANY of their employees. It's just how it is in medicine. So, let's say for arguments sake, he didn't perform ANY of the medical procedures in question. Even if HE didn't touch any of these women...letting an adult who is a 6th grade dropout who can't read or write administer anesthesia or having a 15 year old with no medical training whatsoever work in an OR until 3am (the child labor laws prohibit this even if she agrees)...are crimes punishable with jail time. So, you see, RACE has nothing to do with this. This MAN didn't care WHO he hurt or maimed...he just wanted money. It's typical to use the race card in a case like this because it's such an overwhelming emotional issue for most black people. *I* think (my personal opinion), that the defense is just utilizing race as a distraction. My opinion is that, now that racism has been brought up, the mostly black jury will then see a primarily white prosecution against a lone black man. They will then become so upset, enraged, saddened because of their own dealings with racism that they may automatically side with the defendant, becoming blind to the FACTS of the case. To any black person reading my post, I hope that you realize this is nothing more than a tactic...a ploy by the defense...to USE your emotions and exploit your own very real dealings with racism to benefit his client. The defense lawyer knows that even the implication of his client being wronged because of his skin color (even if the judge determines that there is NO racism involved whatsoever), that the black people/jurors will sympathize with his client. He knows that this will endear his client to the black population as they will empathize with him. By doing so, he will gain their trust, support, loyalty- AND MOST IMPORTANTLY- the 'not guilty" vote. The defense lawyer is counting on the black jurors to get "stuck" on the alleged racism; to not be able to get past race so much so that they aren't able to see what this man did. His violation of Hippocratic oath AND Federal law. If I am totally missing the mark on this one, please let me know. I honestly just don't understand HOW, in any way, shape, or form, that discrimination or racism is happening with regards to this man. HOW is he being discriminated against in this case? If he was white...or asian...or hispanic and he committed these crimes...he would still be in the same situation. No matter his race/ethnicity...he STILL violated the law. I just cannot see how anyone can say, "Oh, it's because he's black that they're accusing him of performing a late-term abortion," or, "If he was white they wouldn't charge him with being involved in the death of a woman who was having an abortion." On the contrary, MANY, MANY White doctors have been charged with crimes of a medical nature. Racism just DOESN'T fit into this case at all.
Isn't the neighborhood he 'performed' in predominantly black? Didn't he perform abortions using unlicensed people? One of them being his wife who was a cosmetologist? How can that be a matter of race if most of the people involved were of various races? His negligence killed a person and sent others into Emergency Rooms with serious complications. This isn't a matter of color of skin, it's a matter of an idiot doing abhorrent things to people and trying to cover it up. Not to mention running a drug mill.
I don't understand this "white devil" stuff. There were just as many free blacks that owned slaves say in 1830 as there were whites that owned slaves. There were only 12 million white people in the U.S. at that time and over 2 million blacks so even if every white person owned a black person that would still be less than what everyone acts like there was. If it were not for all the normal white people (which there were and area many) that didn't want slavery, they would not have been freed. I don't know how anyone can look past the fact that soooo many white people fought and died to free them and laid their lives on the line even before the civil war to help them be free. The name calling and people like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson keep things stirred up so make themselves relevent! The only white devils I know of for sure are people that are KKK! We all wish they would fall off the face of the earth. If we all hated blacks so much why wouldn't there be millions of KKK out of over 300 million Americans instead of a few thousand??? None of my ancestors or anyone I know has ever owned slaves so why do we all get lumped in together?
I've got a question: Should we really be wondering about the person who does this, or the people who sought him out to do this? Obviously these people didn't want their babies. Be it pressure from parents, friends, religion, whatever, they decided to run down the darkest of alleys to get an abortion. Desperation makes it so you make some really bad decisions, and they were desperate enough to trust this man and his untrained staff, rather than, say, ravage themselves with a coat hanger.
I doubt this man would have even had a business if we had some form of medical reform for abortions and the like, from trained physicians. Oh wait, the trained, honorable physicians are the ones who usually get threatened with death by renegade religious groups who think they're crusaders, instead letting people like this slide under the radar. Good job breaking it, hero.
I don't care about the color of this man's skin. The facts in this case are that living babies were killed with scissors. That is horrific in nature...savage even. My opinion is that all abortion is murder and no one can change that in my heart. It is no different if he went into a McDonalds restaurant and killed everyone there. Now it is time for him to be punished for his crimes regardless of his race.
unhappy, I think I could safely say that what this "doctor" did is abhorrent to EVERYBODY. I am very pro-choice and even participated in marches on DC and clinic defense. I favor free, effective birth control and REAL sex education for children IN SCHOOLS since parents can not be trusted to educate their children correctly. I favor medical research into finding a way to TRANSPLANT a fetus from one body to another so as to allow women AND MEN the ability to either "adopt" that way or to allow a man a way to carry his own progeny to term even if the woman doesn't want to. I am for finding ways to make abortion as UNNECESSARY as we possibly can while still preserving the sanctity of a woman's right to make medical decisions about her own body. The way to do away with abortion is to make it UNNECESSARY, not to legislate it out of existence. The way to do away with abortion is to provide birth control to ANYBODY who wants it and make sure they understand how pregnancies happen and how to prevent them. Shaming the women, forcing them into desperate measures, and legislating the heck out of the procedure is NOT the way to make it go away.
This so-called "doctor" needs to be held accountable for what he has done. Both criminally and by the medical establishment.
OMG!! this is the doctor that I was trying to locate about my son's surgery he performed that caused my son to almost die. This doctor left gauze inside my child's scrotum, that caused his infection and had to have his hernia surgery done again.
Ship him to us here in Texas, we kill em good. Our death penalty is an actual death penalty.
The most amazing thing is, those that support abortions, all think there is nothing wrong with killing an innocent baby, BUT will throw there little fits if anyone supports the death penalty for an actual MURDERER!!!!
And those that do not support it rather have those babies brought up in an orphanage and adopt a more exotic looking baby just because it's easier and cheaper. Or insist on adopting a baby and ignore older kids.
You really can't be pro-life and support the death penalty. The mother in me is so disgusted by the thought of killing these helpless little babies, that vengeance is hard to turn down. But just yesterday this was read in church -
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[b] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Let him live with what he has done. And then let him face his judgement and answer for his sins on God's timetable, not mine.
"Let him live with what he has done"?!? What?, you think it will bother him as some point? He has been living with it, happily, and making loads of money on the suffering of others and murdering live babies in the bargain.
It sounds to me that his business is between himself and God. I tell you this, I would be more than happy to arrange the meeting. The sooner he answers for his crimes the better, here and in the after life. There should be a special place in hell waiting for him. What a pathetic excuse for a human being. Late term abortions by delivering a live baby that is chopped up with scissors? Why are these sadistic assistants not on trial? Just when I think the species can't sink any lower, along comes some deviant that proves me wrong, yet again.
*snort* Someone like this guy won't be feeling sorry for anything he's done, so "living with what he's done" is a crap punishment. Sure, he'll regret losing his "medical" practice, but killing babies? Yeah, right. He'll be working on getting false documents that will allow him to continue his work elsewhere.
shame fiesty and pigotry were not aborted . those two scumbag libs would be for their own abortions . roflmao
cliff - look in the mirror - I believe your post applies to you.
I know of no one who would defend the actions of this man. Despicable! Sorta like your post cliff -disgusting and useless!
you know they will support the man . as do you . you crazy democrap ! .
About you direct your comments to people on the board currently. Why do repubs love posting something about them two????
Why do Alinsky-ites still love to complain about W, Veronica?
because they are the most clueless two a democrap has ever sh!t out !
The difference is W. is the root of all is wrong in the country. Your old enough to remember what it was like before he took office right or was you still sleeping?
@veron
you are whats wrong with this country . so take my advice
troll off , troll away . never to come back any day .
So offer nothing to debunk my comment so resort to a lame come back???? Typical republican
Cliff - you are the troll. You were the one who brought it all up. I don't know any of those people, and frankly, I don't care. But it's people like you who do nothing but go to places like this and spew your hate. I don't care what party you are, or whether you are conservative or liberal - stop the hate.
cliff,
Is this some of your moral Christian love? It's pretty hard to believe you guys are worried about aborting fetuses when you advocate killing living, breathing adults. But no one ever said you guys were consistent. Hypocrisy, thy name is Tea Party.
Well lets see, before W we had
-a live-and-let-live foreign policy that did nothing to take into acount how the Wahabi Sunnis were poisoning an entire half of Asia with bedouin hate rhetoric.
-a massively debt generating middle class that lived three and four times outside their means as the result of consumerist greed and a readily supplied credit system.
-willful ignorance or denial about the growth of neo-czarism strong-man Russian politics, the Kims of North Korea being bat sh*t insane, China trying to establish itself as a neo-Maoist Asian super power, Japan's economy turning side-ways, and the shilling of Wahabi doctrine in the poorest and least educated parts of the world
-the growth of narco terrorism
-the growth of the "life at any price" health care system which placed length of life over quality
-the sliding of education standards hand-in-hand with the ensconcing of incompetence at all levels of education
-massive growth of functionless government bureaucracy
Yeah, all of that was Bush's fault BEFORE the fact, right?
Uh Cliff? Who is they? You mean blacks or democraps?
I am a black person and I called all the rest of them and we find him to be almost as deplorable as you.
On the scale of human dung its Hilter......... you, Mao, the Bee Gees, then you again as a child that should have ben aborted, then this doctor twice.
Lol great attempt to spin things, we all know now Iraq was a waste of time and money and create more terrorist than ever before. We had a booming economy, everybody had jobs, the govt was not as big as it is today. Besides do we have to get into the economy collapse????
Iraq a waste of money: right, because as long as its brown people killing brown people its just fine, it only becomes an issue when there is media coverage, right? How dare something divert our attention for pulling our hair out about Africa!
Booming Economy: You mean the kind that occurs before
EVERY
SINGLE
RECESSION
EVER...?
Government not as big: But it was well on the way there, remember that guy named Clinton...? No, actually...you probably don't...
Economic Collapse: Yeah, that couldn't possibly have been the outgrowth of a middle class who wanted to live like they were pulling down mid 6 figures a years getting further and further and further in debt all while speculating on the debt they were generating. Take that environment and toss a few million people who can't affoard to own houses getting cyclopean loans courtesy of the Equal Housing and Lending Act that they are eventually forced to default on creating an even bigger speculation market courtesy of the (traditional left-of-center) banking system and BOOM...economic downturn.
In addition to taking a basic course on human biology, you might want to look into economics.
Lol i guess the Iraq people was glad to see americans thee right???? Why do they hate us more than ever now?????
Moronica
Since you're going back in history, let's get to the real root of the problem.
When Bush took office the dot com bubble was already in a melt down. It started it's crash in March 2000. Thatcrash cost millions of jobs as companies and employers who were invested in Internet and tech stocks lost heavily, and a large number of businesses shut down.
Even though Clinton was in office when the crash started, Bush never pointed blame or used it as an excuse. But in all honesty most of it wasn't Clinton'sfault and none of it was Bushe's fault, the market was over due for a correction, and millions of investors suffered great losses.
See how easy that was not to blame anybody for something no one could have stoped.
The we had the housing collapse. Once again Bush had nothing to do with it, but this time Clinton did. During Clinton's term a couple of Democrats, Dodd and Frank had the bright idea that everyone should have a house. It didn't matter if they could afford it, heck they didn't even need much of a down payment, and the banks couldn't say no, not that mattered much, Freddy and Fanny would protect them. Clinton did sign this into law, so it's all on him.
We would be in a much better economy today if those two events didn't occure. Did Bush ever point the blame where it belonged?
Of course Bush wasn't a great president but he was much better than other recent ones, like Carter and Odumba.
Odumba and his feeble minded low information supporters can keep blaming Bush all they want, but that doesn't help the country one bit.
Veronica
Semms odd how you have such selective memory. The Iraq war/Invasion was presented to congress and voted on. The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 was passed almost unanimously. Enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq. Now then we have Barry who took action in Libya without congressional approval which is illegal. He also helped out our supposed enemy Al Quada whom he armed to overthrow a leader that never should have been overthrown. Then after Barry's allies (al Quada) attack our embassy he lies and blames it on a video and even does it while standing over the coffins of dead Americans
Bush went by info from the CIA and Great Britian, he may have also lied but their is no proof of it as he may have been wrong about WMD or they could have been moved.
Undremploied
"It's pretty hard to believe you guys are worried about aborting fetuses when you advocate killing living, breathing adults."
Those adults had a chance to live and follow the law, but when they CHOOSE to take anothers life they may forfeit theirs, they decided to risk their lives, and they know that before they commit the crime.
A living baby with a heart beat has no choice. While I don't support abortions I would allow it in the first 12 weeks or if the woman was raped, there was incest, or the woman's health was in danger.
Veronica - give it up! Republicans will always make excuses for Bush in order to make the mess he made Obama's fault. They have nothing else. Look at who they've run over the past two Presidential elections and the total mess each made of their campaigns. But, the little righties will still blame Obama. There is no point in trying to talk reality with mental midgets who post as cliff and his buddies!
fishman - the CIA has reported over and over again that they informed the Bush administration there was no reason to expect WMD's in Iraq. Plus, the UN inspectors kept telling him they found NOTHING! Try again!
SeekingSanity, though the CIA may have said "over and over again", which they haven't that there was no reason to expect WMD's in Iraq, it was well known before Bush took office to that there were WMD's. Read books, many of knew it during the Clinton Administration. But that's beside the point of course. However, for Veronica to say "W is the root of all that is wrong with this country" is totally idiotic. No one person got us to where we are today. So stop trying to blame everything on one man and wake up and live in the present. I am old enough to remember when this country was better and it was not just before W took place, it pretty much started way before that!
I know you are seeking sanity but you are far from it. My lord Obama is now in his second term and you folks still blame him for everything.
Well if the UN inspectors claimed they found nothing then why were they also pushing for the invasion? Just because you don't find something after looking in a few sites does not mean something was not there. Listen I wish we never went there but it was voted on in congress so I guess there all idiots-that would also mean Obama as he has stated well I was for it before I was against it
Seeking as I will say it again keep seeking because you are from from sanity. You are also wrong if you think or are claiming me the be "little righties" as I am not. I just think it is pointless to keep blaming someone for what they did when the new person in charge takes up the same policies and has driven our economy even further into the abyss.
Promises, promises, and more promises;
a) President Obama promised to close Gitmo. Did he? NO.
b) President Obama promised in March that the Libyan War would be short term? Is it? NO.
c) President Obama promised that Obamacare would reduce the cost of health care. Will it? NO.
d) President Obama promised that his Stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%. Did it. NO.
e) President Obama promised that his administration would be the most transparent in history. Is it? NO.
f) President Obama promised to End the income tax for seniors making less than $50,000 per year. Did he? NO.
g) President Obama promised to Repeal the Bush Tax cuts for high income earners. Did he? NO.
h) President Obama promised to Stop companies in bankruptcy for giving executives bonuses. Did he? NO.
i) President Obama promised to Allow 5 days of public comment before signing legislation. Did he? NO.
j) President Obama promised to Negotiate health care reform with public sessions on C-SPAN. Did he? NO.
k) President Obama promised to Initiate comprehensive immigration reform in his first year. Did he? NO.
l) President Obama promised to Expand and make refundable the child and dependent care credit. Did he? NO.
m) President Obama promised to End no-bid contracts above $25,000. Did he? NO.
n) President Obama promised to Forbid companies in bankruptcy from giving executives bonuses. Did he? NO.
o) President Obama promised to Allow workers to claim more in unpaid wages and benefits in bankruptcy court Did he? NO.
p) President Obama promised to Allow imported prescription drugs, to lower cost for Americans. Did he? NO.
q) President Obama promised to Mandate insurance coverage of autism treatment. Did he? NO.
r) President Obama promised to Appoint federal-level coordinator to oversee all federal autism efforts. Did he? NO.
s) President Obama promised to Direct the Secretary of Health and Human Services to conduct a comprehensive study of federal cancer initiatives. Did he? NO.
t) President Obama promised to Create a National Commission on People with Disabilities, Employment, and Social Security. Did he? NO.
u) President Obama promised to Change federal rules so small businesses owned by people with disabilities can get preferential treatment for federal contracts. Did he? NO.
v) President Obama promised to Form international group to help Iraq refugees. Did he? NO.
w) President Obama promised to Allow five days of public comment before signing bills. Did he? NO.
x) President Obama promised to Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials. Did he? NO.
y) President Obama promised to Double funding for afterschool programs. Did he? NO.
z) President Obama promised to Urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. Did he? NO.
aa) President Obama promised to Allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of a home mortgage. Did he? NO.
bb) President Obama promised to Re-establish the National Aeronautics and Space Council. Did he? NO.
cc) President Obama promised to Support human mission to moon by 2020. Did he? NO.
dd) President Obama promised to Pay for the national service plan without increasing the deficit. Did he? NO.
ee) President Obama promised to Limit term of director of national intelligence. Did he? NO.
ff) President Obama promised to Give annual "State of the World" address to the American people in which I lay out our national security policy. Did he? NO.
gg) President Obama promised to Reduce earmarks to 1994 levels. Did he? NO.
hh) President Obama promised to Enact windfall profits tax for oil companies. Did he? NO.
ii) President Obama promised to Require plug-in fleet at the White House. Did he? NO.
jj) President Obama promised to Provide an annual report on "state of our energy future". Did he? NO.
kk) President Obama promised to Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009. Did he? NO.
There are enough broken promises here to make just about anyone to say Obama sucks, he talks the talk but can’t walk the walk.
The fact that 8 people voted cliffs above comments up absolutely shocks me. How does he even have an argument with that hateful of words and then PEOPLE VOTE IT UP!! HEY CLIFF ADD ME TO THE LEFTY LIST BECAUSE I AM AS LIBERAL AS THEY COME. I would be glad to join fiesty and piggy and i am surprised you didn't lump me in. MY FEELINGS ARE HURT! If people actually voted you up for the hateful pitiful egotistical splatter of words you wrote on here i am happy to be the voice of dissent. If this is what people vote up... then fuc* all of you whiny little babies blaming obama for everything and caring about life until it actually breathes and exists outside of the womb. YOu all are the biggest hypocrites and are so stupid you don't even see it. YOU ARE THE ONES THAT WANT TO CUT SPENDING FOR BIRTH CONTROL AND FOR WELFARE PROGRAMS YET YOU WANT MORE BABIES ARE YOU DENSE! Yes, yes you are. Your "parents" should have aborted you as you add nothing more to the conversation than your average redneck.
Wow everyone attacking everyone you all sound really mature..... I think the guy should get life in prison for this. Those babies didnt deserve to die. They had heartbeats and felt their lives end. I believe life begins at conception so once pregnant that is a life. Abortion is deadly not pregnancy. Everyone treats pregnancy as a medical condition instead of what it is and that is LIFE BEGINNING. I am a Christian I am a woman and I am in favor of doing away with any sort of abortion. I guess you all didnt hear about Planned Parenthood and how many times they have botched and abortion. A while on the topic MY LORD OBAMA come on please I lost my job under his admin. The only LORD I know is in HEAVEN and MY FATHER IS GOD. Obama aint perfect neither was Bush or Clinton. But I remember under Clinton gas was a buck milk was 99 cents and bread a dollar. I was low income all my life. I dont like food stamps dont even have them or wic and Im raising kids as we speak. My husband works and I stay home and sell AVON. I would give my hand to see gas milk bread and eggs cheap and completely organic. Oh well might as well buckle up and hang in there cause things gunna get rougher before they get better.
ashp...I support cutting spending for birth control as well as for welfare programs. I have a job and the money that I make goes to my family, not your birth control. The welfare system is another mess. It was originally developed to help family's until they were able to find a job. Now it is a job for the losers who use it and keep using it instead of working, and don't cry "there are no jobs". There are jobs, but they require some "work" and the people on welfare are not willing to work for anything. These people keep having baby's as a form of "promotion" and pay increase in their welfare job. I refuse to let my money go to these lazy phucs.
He doesn't look black to me./sarcasm.
He doesn't look black to me. Not sarcasm.
I'm sure it's a another case of racism. (pathetic) If the so called doctor was white what would the defense be?
Hang his ass.
A devil worshipper who doesn't hide it? An abortion clinic doctor.
What feeds an abortion clinic doctors household? Dead babies. Yes that is what pays the bills and puts food on his table.
I can tolerate a legal abortion clinic but an illegal one run in this way--throw the book at him.
Norman - a normal doctor who does abortions does not kill children - he terminates a pregnancy by not allowing a fetus to become a child. Anyone who knows medicine knows the difference.
Republicans know nothing about medicine or the medical field in the matter. Just as them about rape and find out
More "tolerance" from the left, Veronica? You know, DDT (allegedly) only effected the eggs of birds, not the fully developed creature itself, ergo DDT was just abortions for birds, how can that be anything to complain about?
Also Veronica, the highly unpopular rape statistics were backed by medical science...it just wasn't politically correct medical science.
Veronica, you are a complete moron... and this is my wife's, an RN, opinion! How can you just state that Republicans have no experience or knowledge when it comes to medicine. Many doctors and other medical professionals are Republican and your ignorant assumptions are just more typical liberal vomit spewing! There are also several Republican doctors who are in the House and Senate! BTW, I live in Colorado and a few liberals have put their feet firmly in their mouths when it comes to rape, women, and a woman's ability to protect herself!
The stats was made up by faulty info and been disproven by 95% of people in the field. People also used to believe the world was flat
Keep shilling the disinfo Veronica, I mean God forbid you actually read something, like forensic science, basic biology, or reproductive science.
Omg so you agree with Murdock and Aiken?
No, I agree with medical/forensic/reproductive science...but I suppose you can demonize that since its mostly all researched and proven by "old white men".
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz post a source please lol
Norman - even pro-abortion people think he crossed the line. You're right. He's a murderer. Please don't lump him with the law abiding doctors who do legal and medically safe abortions. This guy had two filthy clinics and preyed on poor people. It's a wonder more women didn't die from infection from that place. When it broke, a local paper had photos... gross, and they didn't even show the actual area where they did the procedures! What he had going on in there was just like the abortion mills before Roe v Wade. This is what pro-choice people were fighting against too. We want medically safe places for women to get abortions if they choose to have them, that can be regulated just like the other doctor's offices and hospitals. (BTW - being Pro-Choice is not the same as Pro-Abortion - Pro-Choice people want there to be medically regulated places to prevent anyone choosing abortion to not be hurt because of the procedure, and we want the government to stay out of this choice and not try to legislate morality.)
Blah, blah blah dead babies. It's always the same crap with you anti-choice people: it's a baby. It's not a baby, it's a fetus. It can't be a baby until it can survive on its own.
Still, when it comes to Medicaid, schools, TANF (welfare), Planned Parenthood so the women can get birth control to prevent unplanned pregnancies and avoid abortions, infrastructure, you're all against supporting them when they come out of the womb. Excuse me if I don't give a care about your hypocrisy, your lies and your lack of compassion.
Two Republicans gave wrong medical opinions about conception and rape recently and one of them was voted out of office. Keep on keeping on with the same BS. It's pleasing to us Democrats when stupidity and anti-science causes a loss of seats in Congress.
True. However, as a child I was gassed multiple times with clouds of DDT during mosquito season. At times I wonder whether it may have been a contributing factor to my triple diagnosis of cancer. How many times did I bicycle through DDT? More than 20 or 30 and my streets were regularly filled with the chemical in the summer evenings. Is it a factor? How can that be anything to complain about?
This went on from the invention of DDT throughout my puberty. Adults told me it was harmless. Now I have no ovaries with all the health problems that attend. Your comments, although meant to be sarcastic, do not amuse.
Women will have the option of Choice.
How can you tolerate a so called LEGAL abortion clinic.What is wrong with you.
I feel sorry for you Peridot.You are as bad as the Nazis and Dr.Joseph Mengele.
It's NOT an "option of choice" the only person being killed has NO choice in the matter!
This guy needs a screwdriver in the brainstem like in "GoodFellas!!" He is a murderer!!!!
This guy is a living devil. He deserves whatever punishment the world thinks is fitting and then he deserves to spend eternity in hell. His attorney is also a piece of garbage . I suggest you look up rip off report for him. The attny is also the one who made the "how to pick jurors by race tape" When he was witht he DA's office in Philly so he is no stranger tot he race card throwdown.
Not according to the liberals.They don't see the murder of unborn children as murder.Liberals sanction the culture of death.
Too bad that the samething that he did to those babies couldn't happen to him and I'm getting sick and tired of the race card being played all the time.
The race card is a joke.That is how you know that they have no case.
Sad part is most Americans are so mortally terrified of being called a racist, it just might work as a defense with a jury that doesn't have a varied enough complexion.
Racist? Didn't they say he had a "mostly black jury"? Isn't that racist. If a white guy on trial for killing black babies had a mostly white jury they would be screaming racism from the roof, hell even Obama would condem it. They let babies be born then stabbed them with scizors. No racism involved, just murder, plain and simple.
Ann I am black and there is no they with black people, you assume it because you watch too much tv. Ask an actual black person and then maybe 100 more before you assume a consensus. I will be your first pollee. I vote death to him and his staff via scissors and its not racism even if an all white jury or one white judge had sentenced them.
Most blacks would agree with me as did the black jury that convicted him ( cause we all hang out after work and talk about politics and white people).
Stop pushing the race button as if there is a "you" and a "they". We are one. Especially black men and white women.......... quite often I might add.
Of course.Remember the morons on the Simpson jury?
Kevin S.Most blacks in this country are for abortion and you know it.The blacks in this country sold their souls to the liberal way of life and thinking many decades ago.
Kevin, sorry to disappoint you, but three out of the three blacks I discussed this case with earlier in the day were saying that 'not all the information has come out' and that there might well be mitigating circumstances for what the "doctor" did. You might call them cautious, but I, since I know them, know that when it comes to crimes committed by whites, they were never looking for mitigating circumstances. Good part of this, after we discussed their reaction, they realized they fell into the trap of "sticking with your own kind".
somehow i think that if the jury is all white or all black the verdict is going to be guilty. The media sure has made him guilty. the story has been sensationalized and no doubt exagerated for sales. on the other hand he is guilty of something heinous. as of what we will have to wait for the trial.
So much for the lauded "safe and legal" mantra. If abortionists really cared about women, they would do abortions for free but they charge for them (and at a steep price, too). And don't defend them by saying they have to "make a living" (how ironic) - what's more important? Women getting "safe and legal" abortions they want or abortionists making money off of it? The authorities knew about this guy butchering women and infants for a long time but did nothing about it until the shat hit the fin because they didn't want to appear "anti-choice" or "anti-woman." Now, many dead bodies later and mucho-buckos in this guy's pocket, they are forced to show their hand.
Pro-Choice people don't like this guy any more than you do. What he did was wrong in everyone's eyes. He had a clinic in Delaware which does not allow late term abortion - and he would start the abortion there, and then have the women go to philadelphia to finish it. The Delaware AG worked with the PA AG to get this place shut down. They worked with the abortion laws which allowed them to treat the abortion clinic just like any other medical clinic. They shut it down for being filthy and not following regulations. They didn't go after him with abortions because PA was going after him with Murder for the live babies he and his people killed. The two women already pleaded guilty.
You know your idea - "If they really cared about women they would do them free of charge" - you can't give away medical care. That's illegal. Also, you have to pay for the rent on the building, the equipment, the staff, etc. The safe legal abortions are there. They regulate the clinics just like they do other medical facilities. You have to have inspections and all these other things like licenses. Gosnell fudged some of the paperwork, and he was out of code - that's how Delaware shut him down. They knew he was doing abortions, but they didn't know the extent of his activity. This thing is local for me. I've been following it. There are other abortion clinics in Delaware and PA, and they do follow code, and are following the law. They couldn't close him down right away because they needed to get evidence of his actions to put him away. It's a little hard to do that because he kept moving.
Yes and to make matters worse we the taxpayer have to pay for most abortions stateside and internationally.
You are not pro choice.You are for the murder of a baby,a live human being.Call yourselves what you are.
would somebody please explain to me how taxpayers are paying for abortions? I dont even know of an insurance company that will pay for an abortion. I dont think medicaid does either. The only way i can see that happening is by falsefying documentation, A doctor ordering a d and c for some other reason. How else can this happen?
when some one else takes the life of another, than they are concidered a murderer, so why is it any different when it comes to an unborn child. that baby is alive inside you , it has a heasrt beat just like we do., and fingers and toes,, etc, etc, that sounds like a murderer,,, i dont understand how anyone could take the life of a child and be able to go home and spend time with there kids or grandkids and not have any remorse or selp at night ... shame on all the doctors or so called doctors that perform these killings.......
The most amazing thing is they all think there is nothing wrong with killing an innocent baby, BUT with throw there little fits if anyone supports the death penalty for an actual MURDERER!!!!
That's simple bluthunder, unborn children have not harmed humanity or broken the law in any way. Criminals have. Abortion, to me, is like giving an innocent person the death penalty because the care giver no longer wants to give care. Criminals who have killed, raped, or harmed others repeatedly have proven to harm humanity, therefore should no longer be allowed to do so.
Don't try to convince a murdering pro choice liberal.A baby to them is a wart.
Liberals ARE the culture of death.Liberals support state sponsored,private and so called doctor assisted suicide.Liberals support death panels.Liberals are for abortion.Liberals support Islam and the culture of death that goes with it.
Don't know the facts of the case but it does get very boring to have any sore losers in court or in life strot out the race card to blame. Take some responsibility! Oh, wait, this is modern America, nobody takes responsibility for any of their actions. Sad, Sad!
I do know the particulars of the case because it's local to me. I do not think it's racist. He was shut down in Delaware because his "clinics" were in violation of code, and were in horrible shape. They used the face that Roe v Wade put abortion clinics under the same umbrella of medical licensing as hospitals, doctor's offices, and clinics - which meant that they could close him down for having unsanitary conditions and poor record keeping. The abortions he did in Delaware were not in violation of the law, however, there were many patients who were "referred" to Philadelphia - later they discovered that they started the procedure in Delaware and sent them to philadelphia because it wasn't legal in Delaware to do late term abortions. They found that out after they closed the clinic. The DE AG worked with the PA AG to get him arrested for murder. The worst part of the whole thing is that many of the people he took care of were black too.
There are times and situations when race does play a role. In this case, I don't believe that it does. His victims were mostly black. At least one woman died because of his poor medical practices. The first rule in medicine is soap and water. Keep the operating field sterile. Any doctor should know that many of the deaths that occur during surgery are caused by anesthesia, and this is when the guy handling the anesthesia knows what he's doing. To allow an untrained and unqualified person to administer anesthesia is grossly negligent.
There is a reason why late term abortions are restricted. The fetus is capable of existing outside the womb and this makes it a much more questionable procedure. If it is to save the life of the mother or if the fetus is grossly deformed and cannot be expected to survive with any quality of life, then abortion is appropriate.
I can't see that his color has anything to do with this prosecution. He is guilty of medical malpractice at best, negligent homicide and possibly murder. This is not about race. It is about the exploitation of desperate women and the possible murder of babies who were capable of living and breathing outside the womb.
He can call anybody anything he wants, but in the end, the "doctor" is a mass murderer.
That is right.
This guy's not black, he's whiter than Obama who's half white himself. He's a sick POS! To him killing babies is just chopping meat. Guilty as charged, put him where he belongs....6 feet under!
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... baby meat. You make it sound so yummy. As for Obama, he only became half white to you Krackers after he won. Up till then he was 100% pure Kneegra n-word, tar baby from Kenya.
Kevin you are a liar and a very offensive person.
A Lynching??? Not a bad idea for THIS scumbag.. black, white, green, purple, I don't care, I'll even go to Home Depot to buy the rope. (I said Home Depot, for some reason people think buying rope from Lowes is racist.)
No matter what his color he is a monster who should be eliminated. His attorney is an immoral creep as well.
I guess there is no level to which some lawyers will stoop! The attorney should be the new "Abortion Poster Child"!
The attorney is doing this because he knows that between Delaware and PA, they have sealed the case against him.
His attorney is doing his job. Our Constitution guarantees every defendent the right to an attorney and the best defense possible and due process. It is hard to see the bad guys getting a good defense, but it protects all of us from unfair prosecution, so we have to live with it. Defense attorneys don't always like their clients, but they do provide them with the best defense possible.
there are no normal doctors that perform abortions.... you must have a screw loose to think its ok to abort a baby at any term once concived it is concidered a living breathing baby
If you believe that, I know of some land in Florida to sell you. The only people that go to abortion clinics are poor and lower middle class. Those with medical insurance or lots of money have "procedures" and they are done by their doctors - but they are called something else. Some go overseas on "vacation" and come back "refreshed" and no longer pregnant. Incidentally, if a baby is born before 24 weeks, it cannot breathe on it's own, so it would die.
Fetuses do not breathe. If you think they do, I've got some lovely lots for sale here in my home state. They're only wetlands at spring tide.
Seriously, how stupid are you? A fetus gets O2 and all its nutritional support from the placenta via its umbilical cord. They don't breathe until they develop lungs much later on.
BTW, Pro-Choice here. This man deserves to be prosecuted for these crimes if he did half of what he's accused of having done. Let's see how the trial comes out.
I hear you.How can a doctor be a healer when the doctors rips the baby to shreds and then sucks it out?
Peridot a baby is NOT a fetus.The baby is alive and it is a HUMAN BEING.
I'm SO sick of the racism card. Geez people; be responsible. It's like that mayor who was caught with a hooker and drugs. They only prosecuted him because he was black. BS, race is irrevelant. The only thing racist is that the poor black community is being preyed upon and that's not racism, that's one of their own taking advantage of them. This man is a monster and I hope they give him the death penalty. I have a feeling if they just gave him a year he'd be dead before it was up as even the most hardened of criminals don't like baby killers. He didn't perform abortions he commited murders and should be sentenced as such.
The poor black community?Really?What an insult.
I am a fiscally conservative Republican who leans more moderately when it comes to social issues, but, I see no racial issue in prosecuting this case! Individuals like this are the reason that I support access to legal, controlled, abortion services. We do not need butchers like this in our medical field!
Dan M.There are no fiscally conservative Republicans.Republicans and Democrats are exactly the same.
The bottom line is this: it doesn't matter what color the skin of the doctor. He was breaking the law.
But on the other hand, there is a simple question: what was the predominant skin color of those who suffered at his hands? Inner city Philadelphia? Yep. Most of his patients [victims] were African American.
apparently ,,, these so called killers do have a heart, to be able to kill a human being,,, there all killers...
End Abortion and there will be more monsters like this. He should see the firing squad with .22 pistols
The only way you can end abortion is to educate and medicate. You can't force someone to be celibate, and you can't stop someone who wants to abort a fetus from doing it. The only reason it was legalized was so it could be regulated and the women who sought abortions didn't die or be maimed. It is the ability to regulate those places that allowed them to close this one down and prosecute him. Otherwise he would be in a backroom somewhere and we would not be able to find him. This "clinic" is an exception.
DEBNRAN.Oh you speak such words of utter nonsense.Examine yourself and please be quiet.
"running a rogue clinic" let unqualified staff do any thing, put viable born to death, it matters not what color his skin is.
No mercy for such animals, no mercy!
ROFLMAO, there is abortion and they are all monsters like this.
Silly veronica.......... how blind you are with your lack of moral compass.
Silly brain, whether you agree with it or not, its legal and you nuts tried to take it to court before and lost. 40 years ago and are still fighting it???????????? Pathetic little people cant except a loss
What do you expect from third world trash.
Name calling? Yep, that's what I expect from Europeans. Douchebagghist. Feast upon the nether regions of a flea infested camel.
Kevin S.Get off of this page and pray for your own sad lost soul.