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Santa Fe Mayor David Coss speaks during a public appearance in October 6, 2009 in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
The Democratic mayor of Santa Fe is calling on New Mexico’s county clerks to begin issuing licenses to same-sex couples, saying it was time that everyone – including his lesbian daughter – should be treated equally under the law in a state that does not ban gay marriage.
New Mexico is one of two states in the country that neither specifically allows nor explicitly bans gays and lesbians from getting married (the other is New Jersey).
Nor does it offer civil unions or domestic partnerships to same-sex couples, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
The marriage statute, which does not specify gender, is “sufficiently vague” on the issue, said Phil Sisneros, a spokesman for New Mexico’s attorney general.
Mayor David Coss and City Attorney Geno Zamora teamed up to examine that legal question and believe that nothing in the state constitution or statutes prevent county clerks from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Zamora issued a legal analysis of these findings, and the City Council is expected to vote on a resolution in support of Coss’ call on March 27.
“People’s lives are short and when you’re waiting for your rights you know how long do you have to wait? I’m sorry we didn’t do it ten years ago. I don’t think we should wait another ten years before we push the issue,” Coss told NBC News. “Let’s start treating everybody equally under the law.”
Though the resolution does not carry legal weight, Zamora, who has a gay brother, said they wanted to send a message to the Supreme Court before it hears landmark cases next week challenging a federal law (Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA) that bars recognition of same-sex couples and California’s Proposition 8, which prohibits gays and lesbians from getting married in the Golden State.
“The decision was made … we cannot wait any longer to protect the rights of our brothers and sisters, our colleagues and our community members,” he said. “It’s very important for cities and city attorney’s offices to enter this debate recognizing equal rights for their citizens.”
In 2004, a clerk for Sandoval county issued same-sex marriage licenses for one day before the state attorney general ordered her to stop, saying the 64 licenses were not valid, according to The Santa Fe New Mexican.
Santa Fe County Clerk Geraldine Salazar told the newspaper on Tuesday that she wasn’t going to issue licenses to gay and lesbian couples, even though she’d like to, because she felt she couldn’t under the law.
“I would love to be able to issue marriage licenses (to same sex couples) but under the current law, I feel I’m not free and clear to do so. The Legislature creates the laws and the judges interpret the laws and I as a county clerk do not create or interpret laws,” she said. “And I feel that my oath of office does not allow to me act counter to the laws of New Mexico.”
Sisneros, of the attorney general’s office, said that the issue was unclear and felt nothing was likely to happen until a county clerk attempted to grant a license to a same-sex couple. At that point, an anti-gay marriage group may file a lawsuit or the attorney general could be asked to weigh in, among other possible scenarios.
“This seems more properly characterized as an expression of the city’s position on same-sex marriages since it does not carry the force of law,” Sisneros said of the Santa Fe mayor’s resolution. “Our office, though, has not had the opportunity yet to weigh in on the specific question of whether same sex marriages are legal under New Mexico law."
Previous state bills to ban or approve same-sex marriage have been rejected by New Mexico's lawmakers.
Thomas Peters, a spokesman for the National Organization for Marriage which opposes same-sex marriage, said New Mexicans should be able to decide the issue for themselves.
"Allow the debate to continue and the people to decide, not activists mayors and judges," he said in a statement.
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Come on NM, GET REAL Its the right thing to do!
When I saw only one post here, I thought it would be Sarah for sure.
Right thing to do. Now I understand. Its okay because your brother might be a murder. Murder is okay. Just because somebody does something. It does not mean it is right. Dr no 1381831.
Im glad that the tide is turning in support of GLBT marriage equality but I have a suspicion that the Republican Party and their TEAparty step-sister will add gay marriage to abortion, minority voting rights and social safety net. Then they will spend the next 20 years to repeal.
Bibol,
Murder violates the right of someone else to live (barring self-defense). Gay marriage would require two CONSENTING ADULTS of SOUND MIND (same as straight couples). I know people have a difficult time with the words 'consenting', 'adults' and 'sound mind'. Gay marriage will eventually be legalized in spite of the bigots fighting it tooth and nail. No different than the racial bigots (that still exist) that didn't approve of mixed marrriages (which really isn't mixed as we're all human... intelligence not withstanding).
I'd suggest that you don't marry someone of the same sex if you have a problem with it, since allowing same sex doesn't mean that you would be forced into a same sex marriage. This seems to be another misunderstanding of the consensual aspect.
As for any religious difficulties you face, refer to the Constitution. Religious beliefs have no bearing on infringing on the rights of others. We are a secular nation that contains religious people (some blindingly so). Being a democratic republic, tyranny by the majority isn't allowed (pure democracy). Everyone is to be treated equally under the law. Since NM probably has laws concerning age and other factors as it relates to marriage, then gays really shouldn't have their rights to marriage questioned by individuals who personally disagree with it (typically, these would be the religious nutters).
The only voting rights minorities don't have is the right to vote twice, and so they don't vote twice by mistake they need an ID just like everyone else.
Yes,gay marriage should be added to abortion, if they get pregnant they should abort.
No one wants to remove a safety net from anyone, period. The GOP has never cut out any rights even when they had control, as a matter of fact they were the first to extend unemployment benefits. What the GOP does want is for those using the safety net, and to try to better their lives and get off the safety net and stop depending on the safety net for years on end. If some one is healthy, and able to work there is no reason for them to suck on the public teat for three or four years.
fuji: It says man and woman not consenting adults. Will put that on the Civil Union paper and right new laws that gives all equality based on law and not just a preference or urge.
bob-2476682 - Why are you against gay marriage?
Civil Unions is the issue. Press your rights in the court not in the backdoor. Your not on the invitation list that says husband/wife, man/woman, male/female. There is nothing in the Constitution that states marriage is a right. This is about and has been about Federal law and benefits. Press your rights there for that is the only place that will be able to accomplish that. A state by state push is building support. The first major loss was California and it is such a pleasant surprise, yet you must challenge the will of the people.
Heres an idea for all you dike gay loving ppl set up your own country in the south east , with nigers, illegals all your diversity in one clump! Let white ppl settle the northwest, in les than a year you will be begging us for help, cause your system doesn't work! Go figure!!!
You sound like a typical Republican.
No wonder no one votes for your ilk anymore.
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Marriage = Holly Matrimony which is by a faith based organization. Civil Unions do the same thing and carry the same legal weight and enforcement in all 50 USA states. Same Gender Unions are not recognized in 95% + of other countries – what will you do overseas?
skrekk
Well, over 63 Million people voted for a Republican for USA president in November 2012 and over 5 Million registered Republicans failed to vote that voted in November 2008. B H Obama won by 2.5% of the vote, much less if you discard the illegal voters.
How queer of you to made such a statement.
Flat wrong. Just ask a divorced and remarried Catholic to explain the difference to you between a legal contract and a completely irrelevant religious rite.
The state literally doesn't give a crap what your silly cult does, or whether it performs religious weddings for divorced persons, mixed-race couples, or gay couples.
pmdww2:
Why are you for it? Trying to be "cool" or "hip"?
skrekk:
No need to, I am a member of the Roman Catholic Church. I am very aware of the rules of my Church and I agree to them because they are very relevant to me.
I strongly suggest you do major research on the history of Human Marriage so you do not keep making a fool of yourself. Go In Peace.
You must be a very ignorant Catholic indeed. Perhaps you can explain how a Catholic is able to divorce or remarry? Or explain why, unlike you, 71% of Catholics support marriage equality?
FYI, your silly cult doesn't license or regulate marriage.......and the state doesn't recognize "holy matrimony" or any other bizarre religious rite.
You are a bigot and do not speak for the Pacific Northwest. We voted and we are tolerant and accepting. We don't want to be all white, all straight or bigots. Please move out if you live here.
How do you keep all that hate in one little pea sized brain?
here is the problem with the faggots,you give in a inch an they want a mile.they got civil unions and now they got marriage and what the hell next.do away with straight marriage and see how long these bastards live.
I know, right? Next thing you know black folks will object to whites-only drinking fountains.
Skrekk, what does racism have to do with any of this?
It always amazes me how when a person can't argue their point intelligently they turn it into a racial issue.
Funny how these politicians change their mind when a family member is involved. Aren't they suppose to work for all the people, all the time. No matter what there view is, if they can't take a stand the first time, what makes you think there going to support again.
God gave us ten laws. were written for people who want a god of there understanding in there life. God also wrote in free will meaning you can go either way you want but don't blame him if you don't get the results you wanted we all make are own hell but don't try to bring me down with you
check see if my goat can marry in that state...no law against goat marry'n either...
I bet Laura calls herself a "Christian" and has a crucifix dangling from her neck.
This gay issue plus what is happening in America’s schools is sounding more and more like a lead in for Aldous Huxley’s 1932 “Brave New World.”
“Natural reproduction has been done away with and children are created, 'decanted' and raised in Hatcheries and Conditioning Centres, where they are divided into five castes designed to fulfill predetermined positions within the social and economic strata of the World State.”
Gays cannot reproduce naturally and the school’s want to turn children into mindless, emotionless clones.
That would be the 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection of the law, a concept that appears to be far over your head.
It's why you bigots lost 46 years ago in Loving v Virginia, and why you've lost every single court ruling to date regarding DOMA and Prop h8. It's also why the mixed-race marriage precedent is always cited by the courts when they rule on same-sex marriage.
It's the exact same issue - equal protection of the law.
plain bob:
Apparently you missed the part about consenting adults. Your goat may or may not be an adult, but it does not have the mental capacity to consent, any more than your toaster does.
avatarMikeNRGV:
If the standard for legal marriage is that the couple can reproduce naturally, then you not only rule out gay marriage, but marriages for anyone who is medically sterile, whether due to age or due to disease or other physical defect. Raising children is not the sole purpose of marriage, and raising children who happen to carry your DNA is most definitely not the only purpose of marriage.
The closer the anti-equality folks come to losing, the crazier their rhetoric is getting.
We are only going to allow gay marriage, when boxed wine is outlawed!
Not cool. So not cool!
You did say 'crazy rhetoric'. But don't you wish it was that easy?
Or are you worried about my awesome power to control the outcome?
I have given the gay and lesbians issues a lot of thoughts! I am very open minded women on some issues! Homosexuality is not one of them! It is not what I would consider among them Normal Love! but Lust! and wanted to be different! Our Holy Bible says it ......you are committing a bad sin! Yes jesus will forgive you if you asked with faith. What bothers me the most is their sexual actions! Wanting to marry and raised childrens is even worse! what are you trying to do raise lesbians and gays?????Sickening people! Even the wealthy and grounded homosexuals with good values should not raised childrens! Please no!!!
I can't help but to wonder why they only seem to post the politicians that come out in favor of this absurdity of "gay marriage". Why don't they ever post the names of all the people who respect the institution of marriage. I don't have a problem if gay people want to live in a committed relationship to each other, just call it something different than marriage.
Hi,
Can you say socialism!!
Can you say a biased media!!!
Can you say people really want the government to make all their hard decisions and take care of them.
Welcome to the NEW AMERICA getting ready to fall apart internally by it's own greed and corruption
smerf
You're arguing over words. Do you know how absurd that sounds? The "institution of marriage" is respected when those who make the vows hold true to them. Nothing more, nothing less.
Marriage is a legal term. If they can't use marriage, then everyone else can't use it also. It's a double standard. Marriage in religion is not the same thing as what this country recognizes as marriage. First and foremost, the bible allows for polygamy, wife abuse/murder, the treatment of women (and children) as property and general misogyny (just look at all the ridiculous laws for menstration in Leviticus).
fuji
You are right, if you look up marriage in a law book it will say it is a legally binding contract between a man and a woman, or something to that effect.
Marriage has been between a man and a woman for thousands of years, in every culture, in every society that had religion and every society that didn't have religion.
Why is it so important to change now when a civil union will do the exact same thing? The gay community is just trying to throw their beliefs in others faces when they don't need to, just get a civil union and every thing will be great for everyone. Right now the gay community is like a child crying that Bobby can do it why can't I.
Quit harping on religion, because those were and have been societal norms no matter your belief or lack thereof. Marriage in the US stood on principles that at times and by different people have been tarnished. If you wish to not base any law on morality then you should be willing to accept the consequences. The government in recognizing Civil Unions must take into account all others wishing binding contracts regardless of moral turpitude.
All I want to know is how do two bitches procreate without a sperm donor ?, you ppl really are stupid! LMFAO!!!
same sex marriage existed in ancient times, up until Christianity took over in 360ad. So marriage has not, and will not remain one man and one woman. Get over your bigotry. Accept same sex marriage, or get government out of marriage all together.
No you are wrong. It was not marriage, it was acceptance by some societies. Most found the act unnatural, immoral and sick. Thousands of years later, nothing has changed. Marriage was and is between a man and a woman. Please don't compare blacks and whites marrying. Whites are born white and blacks are born black. I've never heard a new dad say" look at my newborn homosexual son, I am so proud." Enough said.
Why not? The legal issue is exactly the same - equal protection of the law.
In fact you dumb bigots even use the same moronic arguments against same-sex marriage which you used against mixed-race marriage 50 years ago.
Not only did you nutballs lose in court last time, but Loving v Virginia is one of the primary precedents which have caused the courts to rule in favor of marriage equality today.
I'm afraid you have been misinformed. Homosexuality is not a choice. Those of us that derive our truth from science (as opposed to an ancient text) have known this for a long time.
Sexual preference does not become apparent until the kid hits puberty, so no dad can look at their newborn child and comment on their sexuality.
homo's is a choice until some family member or other rapes you and then you become a queer.simple as that.if you can't remember being raped then you need help and then you can become straight again not a homo.bingo///////
Johnny -
And slavery was an accepted practice for thousands of years as well. Didn't make it right.
My husband is a white man and I am a black woman. We've been married for almost 40 years. And we lived through the same hatred and ignorance, even from members of our families, that gay people face. If two people love each other and are willing to commit, why stop them? It doesn't cheapen our marriage or yours. And for all you tossing around notions of sin, leave it up to God to decide and keep your nose out of other people's lives.
It's already called something else Ron..
Sodomy.
Well, over 63 Million people voted for a Republican for USA president in November 2012 and over 5 Million registered Republicans failed to vote that voted in November 2008. B H Obama won by 2.5% of the vote, much less if you discard the illegal voters.
Hey Homer...maybe those republican voters did not vote because they did not like the far right agenda of the GOP..happens to the dems too...they may not like a candidates agenda...etc..and rather than voting for the other guy, they just stay home
Ron-918710:
Why do they have to use a different word? Who said that you get to define that word? And how does it harm you if someone else uses it differently than you do?
Smerf, perhaps you can thrown some definition around what you think socialism is?? By definition, it is contribution from each according to their means, and distribution to each according to their needs. As an example, you enjoy driving on the roads in the US, right? That is Socialism at its finest. Yo upay in based on your taxes, which is according to your means. And if you drive a lot, you get to use the roadways as much as you need to. I'm glad you dislike socialism so much, yet are likely to use it every day.
Art-896877:
There is strong scientific evidence that people are born gay or straight; it just isn't visible, the way that skin color is. If you don't believe the scientific evidence, try asking yourself this: When did you find others of the same gender sexually attractive, and at what age did you voluntarily decide to stop feeling attracted? You didn't, did you? Do you think you could make yourself feel an attraction to someone of your own gender? If you couldn't, how do you think others have?
It is not a choice, it is just the way some people are.
Laura,
Pull your head out of your dark, stinky spot.
It is not about procreating. Does that mean that any hetero couple who cannot conceive should have their marriage abolished?
Gay rights, special privilege, preferential treatment, and a Bloomberg moment.
Where do you see preferential treatment here, maybe in the mere act of asking to be married?!
and for what purpose?
The Federal law does not recognize it. So is it the vows or the want of acceptance of peculiar pairing?
Bob - Gays are not asking for special rights, they are asking for equal rights.
Marriage is not a right nor is sexual lifestyle a minority. Choices.
bob - Marriage is a constitutional right. In Skinner v. Oklahoma, the Supreme Court recognized marriage and procreation as basic civil liberties protected by the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.
See also Loving v Virginia
Better read it again with a more critical eye, and stop believing everything you here. Also loving and Virginia was strickly a race issue. WOW! There has never been one case of condoning homosexual lifestyle.
pmd
Gays are not the same as others so they are not equal. They might even be better in some areas but they are not equal.
There is still the tired argument that if gays can marry then why can't we have two wives or two husbands, or a brother and sister marriage, all the brother and sister need to do is sign a contract not to procreate.
Skinner vs Oklahoma is about a serial felon and a chicken thief and the court wanting to sterilize him. Moral turpitude case is how it went. Sheesh!
Johnny - The love between 2 gay people is as legitimate as the love between 2 straight people, thus they should be allowed the same protections under the law. As for the incest argument, people made the same argument against interracial marriage, and it is as untrue now as it was then. Interracial marriage did not lead to incestual marriage, and neither will gay marriage.
bob - "Marriage and procreation are fundamental civil rights." - Skinner vs. Oklahoma. Source - http://www.onelbriefs.com/cases/conlaw/skinner_oklahoma.htm
Who said that? The essay writer or was that put into record?
Oliver Wendell Holmes delivered the Court's opinion upholding the legality of
eugenic sterilization, which included the infamous phrase "Three generations of
imbeciles are enough."
In Skinner vs. Oklahoma (1942), the
Supreme Court struck down a law allowing the involuntary sterilization of
criminals. However, the Court never prohibited states from sterilizing
non-criminals, despite later scholarship showing the falsity of eugenic
"evidence" used in Buck vs. Bell. Sterilization of the allegedly mentally
ill continued into the 1970s in several states, by which time about 60,000
Americans had been involuntarily sterilized
The best defence is a good offence. Know that one?
The opinion and finding was: Justice Douglass, who said that how and to whom the Act is applied "denies equal protection of the law." Though he may have stated other words this is the outcome of that case. The 14th amendment applied due process to a criminal.
And that's pretty much the point - even pedophiles, rapists and serial killers on death row have the absolute right to marry, which the state cannot deny. And while Skinner established that both marriage and procreation are basic civil rights, other cases involving prisoners have established that the absolute right to marry exists even when procreation isn't a possibility, as with a prisoner on death row who lacks conjugal rights.
It's just one of the reasons why you bigots have lost every single court case to date regarding DOMA and Prop h8.
Can you not read? Search the records, learn what I have said is the ruling. I could not make it more clear. It is in bold what the finding was. Equal protection as it applied to the case of the chicken rustler and sterilization. Not marriage, but procreation that is the crust of discussion in that case. It is not a hard read. I am amazed and impressed by your steadfast acceptance of twisted facts. Then again I am reminded of what Oliver Wendell Holmes once said, and I accept what is.
It's pretty clear you don't understand the context or the import of Skinner, since it's one of the key precedents which has been cited by a variety of gay rights and marriage equality cases - from Loving v Virginia to Zablocki v Redhail, to Romer v Evans. It also impacts privacy rights in cases like Roe v Wade.
Let's just say I'm not surprised that you don't get it, Bob. You're not exactly the brightest bigot on the block.
The law is the law. The rulings of those cases have nothing to do with Gay rights nor marriage. What was argued or discussed in many trials are not referenced because the focus is the ruling. Trial and Supreme court Judges insert their own opinions, but the final outcome is the ruling and what it is based on. Not what you or the gay rights association believe it to mean. If a Judge decides that marriage is a right and sexual lifestyles are a minority, they will have to put it in writing.
Just wait until the SCOTUS makes gay marriage law!
first Hillary, then the Republican senator that found out his son was gay and now a mayor that found out his daughter was a les. can anyone say SODOM and GOMORRAH?????
No, but I can say ignorant cracker. Does that work?
Yes , you can say anything you want, we still have freedom of speech, as long as it flows with the governments choice.
Work - The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was rape and inhospitality, not homosexuality. Genesis 19:4-5 says that ALL of the townsmen came to rape the angels. There is no way that every man in Sodom and Gomorrah was a homosexual. In addition, Genesis 19:8 states that Lot offered the men his daughters in place of the angels. Why would Lot offer his daughters to a group of homosexual men? This passage is about rape and inhospitality, not homosexuality.
Also, Ezekiel 16:49 (NIV) states, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."
workehorse....funny you should mention Sodom and Gomorrah....let's talk about priests molesting children....and don't say well they are gay....well if they are priests and gay then how did they become priests....oh yea it's all a conspiracy on the gay people to infiltrate the religions of the world and tear them apart. We can also talk about all the pastors, preachers or what ever you want to call them stealing peoples money building elaborate houses, owning two or three jets and what about that same men of the cloth having affairs. Don't throw stones at someone elses house when yours is not in order!!!!!
If you're going to bring the Bible into this, you already know God says homosexuality is an abomination.
The bible also say slavery is quite alright so let's get back to that... #Sarcasm
The bible is the most convoluted piece of literature ever written/rewritten(countless times).
Wowwwwwwww,
ישו בכה
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.
Here are 9 more reasons why ssm is not real marriage.
http://www.tfpstudentaction.org/politically-incorrect/homosexuality/10-reasons-why-homosexual-marriage-is-harmful-and-must-be-opposed.html
John Ritchie, how do you stand on gun control and abortions? as for the marriage stand i am with you(one Man and one Woman). if you answer correctly on the other two i may vote for you for President!!!
Good post Mr. Ritchie !!!
John Ritchie, the website you quote is absurdly biased. It's nothing more than a rant, and might as well have been written by Fred Phelps. Even a 12-year-old could discern that.
Yup, ol' John there is trying to spread more spew by crackers. Good job!
Hi,
Why does the media keep bringing this up?
If they are going to broadcast gay marriages, maybe they should have a page on regular man / woman marriages, after all they are the ones that count because these marriages help the human race go on.
On gun control I stand on leave it alone, we may need these automatic weapons one day to fight off our own government, and on abortion, well some guy said that they weren't killing a human being they were killing a fetus, well just think if your fetus was chosen for abortion, you the human wouldn't be here, I say let the mother choose.
With our government having such a hard time with the budget, the only reason I see for gays getting married, is for a tax break, that is why I say go to a straight tax and a popular vote. The heck with these Congressman and Senators, voting for us, by by popular vote they suck.
smerf
And your refusal to acknowledge reality doesn't make it go away.
Gay marriage is a reality in 9 states and many countries. As for procreation, many gay couples have children in the same way as their heterosexual counterparts: In vitro.
John Ritchie,
This isn't true. People who cannot product children are allowed to marry. People that can't afford to support children are allowed to marry. There are no laws stating that only straight people who are able to reproduce are allowed to marry. There are no laws requiring children if straight people are married. Your argument is bogus.
What we do have are laws requiring women to be treated equally with men before the law... something which contradicts biblical law. They are no longer considered property. Must be a shock to you, I'm sure, but it's true.
Ritchie,
You're wrong on so many different levels. Thank God, I have time to correct you.
Wrong. First, marriage predates organized religion. It's a legal contract that's been between one man and many women, one man and one woman's male guardian, two people, but only of the same race...
Here take a look at these if you don't believe me...
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/ATLAS_EN/html/history_of_marriage_in_western.html
There is NO procreation requirement, and NEVER has been for legal marriage.That's why we let infertile people get married, people who don't want children to get married, people who are too old to have children to get married, and people who aren't married to have children.
Not too mention that gay people aren't infertile, they can still procreate.
Perhaps, if this is what you truly feel, you should go protest against "infertile marriage" since that would be more on point.
The ignorance on this thread is apalling. If sexuality is a choice, at what point in your lives did you choose to be straight?
no, marriage has been defined as more than one man for one woman, as in polygamy. And if only for procreation, then I guess anyone entering menopause cannot be allowed a marriage license.
Randyjax: All humans were born straight and then some chose to be gay. God gives everyone a choice to sin or not to sin.
Ritchie,
Although you do not stand alone in your beliefs, the unfortunate fact is soon same sex marriage will become a reality here in the states. I'm against it as well but I don't see this liberal government stopping it.
The government should have created civil unions for all citizens of the states while leaving the word marriage for the religions. I think this would have resolved any of the current issues.
Marriage is just a civil legal contract. You've obviously confused it with "holy matrimony"......just as k a divorced and remarried Catholic to explain the difference to you.
What we really should do is prohibit marriage from being formalized in a church, and prohibit priests from acting as a proxy for the state during a marriage ceremony. Everyone should have to go to a government office to get married, like they do in France. That way there's no confusion between a legal contract and an irrelevant religious rite.
Suseq
Why do you think any of us care about what you think your God does? Either make a case without your irrelevant religion, or deal with the fact that nobody gives a @!$%#.
That's nice. Prove it!
If there was a god, there would be no such thing as choice.
If a couple is legally married, it's a marriage in the eyes of the government and law. Who are you to say otherwise?
Wrong! Marriage has always been a civil institution, long before religion became involved. It was originally meant to assign property and assets among family members and heirs. But procreation has never been a requirement for marriage, or vice versa. As a civil institution within the perview of the law, the religious aspect of marriage is merely ceremonial and there is no record anywhere, in the entire history of civil or common law, that requires any religious ceremony or approval for a marriage to be valid.
They propose marriage equality within the law!
None of those are relevant to marriage in the least! Try again!
Wrong again! Procreation is not a requiremet for marriage, or vice versa! Nor is any intent to procreate required.
Marriage way back when was not called that. It had many names and one could have many wives or husbands depending on ones wealth or physical ability, violent nature. If you wish, we can change the word from procreate to hierarchy's which in ancient times would be more correct. Caveman times if you want an example in simple terms is, I will take and do what I want because I am the strongest, smartest, and baddest. They also didn't make sense when they talked so insert grunt for civil union. P.S. In a family group the definition is elders, patriarchs.
animal group organization: a form of social organization in animals in which different members of a group possess different levels of status, affecting their feeding and mating behavior
Are you an animal?
Marriage was still called marriage, ven way back. And it's still called marriage now. You're arguing semantics, which has no bearing on the current legal definition or term of marriage!
Of course. humans are animals and members of the animal kingdom.
gordy: I am suprised you would dispute the universal understanding of; consisting of people: the human race. Not Humans or non- bipedal beings do not qualify unless they are upright humanoids. "Systema Naturae," Swedish botanist Carl Linnaeus developed a system of taxonomy. This would be animal, vegetable, and mineral. Is this your reference or have you published a new work?
What dispute? Human are animals too. there's no disputing that. Do you want the taxonomic nomenclature for humans?
Nothing like using your political position to benefit family members huh? Probably had nothing to do with what is right or wrong or whether the majority had an opinion. It was all about his daughter plain and simple. He should be thrown out of office for abusing his position.
Or he should be applauded for observing the NM's marital statute doesn't discriminate on the basis of gender.
Another SCREWBALL leader in this messed up country going down Immorality Road.
And YOU above: "it's the right thing to do"?
Really, in whose eyes?
The Flying Spaghetti Monster appeared to me on a hot plate (with a salad on the side), and told me it was His will!
Yeah, I've been working with The Noodly One too and it's certainly His will to do so. I think Elder blah blah should just stick to pushing his flavor of superstition.
Hi,
Notice how they won't let us vote on these situations, could you say socialism at its best, they are telling us what is best for us, just like the illegal immigrant invasion. Do we get to vote on this?
smerf
Elder - This is nothing immoral about the love between 2 gay people or gay marriage.
smerf - Civil rights should not be put to a popular vote. If they were, much of the south would still be segregated and interracial marriage would be illegal in many states.
"civil rights should not be put to a popular vote.....much of the south would still be segregated...."
I highly doubt it. The opinions of society change over time and they have drastically changed towards discrimination against race. However, the opinions against homosexuality will last forever because it is beyond abnormal. There is a reason people from all walks of life disdain homosexuality. Some may use religion as the reason but it is more instinctual than anything else. Your predominant desire to mate is the innate urge to procreate. As higher level thinking animals, our consious reason to mate is for pleasure. When you think of 2 homosexuals having sexual relations, it disturbs your subconscious. This is where your true disdain for homosexuals initiates.
How does your baseless, irrelevant opinion change the fact that we don't vote on civil rights?
Since when it is "normal" or ok for one man to put his penis into another man...or a woman to fondle another woman's vagina... and those that cannot accept this as normal, are bigots because they, like I, find it sickening! I am a democrat, and have been for over 35 years. This NEW Democratic Party, is immoral, and anti-GOD!
Welcome to the modern world, friend. Do you insist that all of us be as ignorant as you? Thanks.
If your god has a problem with the Democrats, he can get registered and vote Republican.
Carolina - Homosexuality is considered a normal part of human sexuality by the following professional mental health associations: The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the American Counseling Association, the Canadian Psychological Association, and the National Association of Social Workers.
Carolina,
Than leave the party. I promise you won't be missed.
bye bye CarolinaCountry -
Your bigoted views are a disgrace to all Democrats and mankind in general.
Good riddance. You're pathetic.
Do kindly get some help to deal w/ your fascination re: other consenting adults intimate practice/s in the privacy of their own homes.
Cheers!
Hey CarolinaCountry:
it's normal whenever I fuk your husband with my fat rock.
Gee, that is some great support for the gay community. "X" psychological association says its ok. What a joke. Psychology itself is a joke.
so says Tom Cruise
so many posting about this story. well... maybe not, just the ones who still interested in other peoples lives and still feel they need to say how they can live. You know the people who do not want freedom just more government telling how you may live. How American. Now go to war and fight for other peoples freedom dam-it!
*for freedom of Sunni and Shia to kill each others and also Christians. Bad Saddam didn't let them to do that.
Well, hate to say it....but my daughter is a serial killer....not what I had hoped for, BUT she is my daughter so, I think I'll support her decision.......
Apples and oranges analogy. Murder is a violent crime against another human being.
Any other stupid comments?
Don't worry, I'm sure there's many more where that came from.
jusnuts&bolts:
I am hoping this was meant as sarcasm, but in case it wasn't, let's set the record straight: Murder involves harming other human beings, against their wishes. Making murder legal would violate the rights of others. Legalizing gay marriage would not affect the rights of heterosexuals to marry. Two consenting adults, of any gender, would be allowed to marry. Who is hurt by that? And sorry, but hurting your feelings by their mere existence doesn't count.
Obviously, David Coss is not a Christian, not anything God will recognize as part of His family.
But anyway, these lost souls who make these dumb decisions for those already lost souls.....castration and sewing/closing up the virgina's of those women who choose to practice homosexuality, those ill behavior people who don't know better, who choose evil over God laws, make their choice a more permanent one, the removal of the male sex organ and replace it with a hole/virginal that will serve the partner. For the woman who fantasizes she's a man while a sex change is more impossible at least her virginal be sewed up shut. And later down the road when they change their minds and they usually do, the decision needs to be a harder one to make by making it a financially expensive one. Sex changes to those who practice and choose to live in homosexuality through a fantasizing so called marriage!
F*ck your gawd. It's 2013, not 1813. It's time to get a grip and realize your antiquated fairy tales do not rule this nation.
Religion is seen by the stupid as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Man - "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. " Matthew 7
At least it sounds likes he's not a Southern Baptist or a Mormon, or a member of some other bigoted cult.
vote him out
Make him President.
Oh, come on, you know full well, that you get elected POTUS opposing gay marriage, THEN in great bravery, flip your position.
As a Christian I don't like living in a country gay perverts and I have to say I do wish God would send another plague on them like AIDS but worse. Get rid of them!
You are no Christian. You are a hypocrite azzhole...plain and simple.
Religion is seen by the stupid as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Sorry, but I didn't take two bullets in combat so the village idiots could hijack the Constitution for thier own use.
DSP - CAPT/USNR
That would be their, and I will debate the real societal issue not with religion but common sense and respectable decorum.
AIDS is not a punishment from God. If God sent a plague to everyone who ever sinned, the earth would be barren.
"DSP - CAPT/USNR" - hey, you Navy boys can share your bunks with queers now!
ENOUGH!!! It's bad enough to read people's comments, like Laura (ignorant little girl) or Bob (troll) and Homer (another troll) or CarolinaCountry and the other fire and brimstone (we are not a Christian nation) idiots' comments day in and day out. Each of them post their tripe, pat themselves on the back and feel better about their miserable little lives.
But YOU, Pro Life Activoist (can't even spell "activist" properly): for you to sit there in your mom's basement and actually wish death on a group of people whose lives do not affect yours in any way is disgusting. Let me show you how that works: you disgust me, therefore, you should die. What? You don't like the way that sounds?
You little pencil-pricked imbecile, and those of your ilk, YOU go find another damned country to live in and spew your hate. Like Iran. Or North Korea. Future playgrounds for US weapons-testing.
You call yourselves Christians. You pick & choose what you want and discard the rest, but you fail Jesus' teachings with your hatred. Here's my wish for you: for you to be laughed at. For you to be pitied. For you to continue showing your ignorance and hatred and to be shunned by advanced society because of it. For you to wind up alone, old and scared, and the only person who will extend a helping hand to you is a GAY person.
Sarah, if you're still out there perusing these morons' comments, bless you for trying to be informative and logical. You're obviously educated and I admit much better than I at keeping a cool head on this issue.
Wow. You do sound like a christian. So loving and all. EXACTLY what I've come to expect from the christian taliban.
Pro life activoist Comment collapsed by the community
As a Christian I don't like living in a country gay perverts and I have to say I do wish God would send another plague on them like AIDS but worse. Get rid of them!
Well it sounds like you better pack your bags and head for the moon because every country has gay people and can do without the likes of you.
To claim "GOD" sent the plague of AIDS is the craziest thing I have ever heard of. AIDS actually first struck straight people who were needle dopers. It has been and continues to be misconstrued as a "GAY" disease when it has no bearing on sexual orientation.
And for all those say the being homosexual is a choice you can't be more wrong. It is a proven fact that being homosexual is not a choice and actually a biological gene.
And it was christianity that started it being morally wrong by "GOD" in a book written by man for the main use of controlling the masses. The greeks and romans and other societies used to accept homosexuality as a normal moral thing like two straight people then came along christianity and it wanting to rewrite what is right and wrong. According to the bible adultery is wrong yet society accepts it, a black person is counted as half a person but we don't think that way any more. There are numerous other examples of how wrong the bible is and how religion needs to stay out of politics today. If gay people can't have the same marriage rights that straight people already enjoy then the IRS needs to do away with the whole married filing status and goto each individual filing their own taxes and not getting any more special tax breaks for being "married".
cathy: I know your not talking about me, because if you are; you are bearing false witness. I will debate your fondness for carnal behaviour or any other particular, peculiar practice or ACT.Things that are abnormal or contrary to societal norms.
It does not end. First we have acceptance of gay marriage shoved down our throat and now we are suppose to encourage it??? Yeah let's include it in our school curriculum and encourage our children to give homosexuality a try. Just be gay and be done with it, exploiting ones sexuality is a self-esteem narcisstic issue.
Nobody is trying to shove anything down your throat. Nobody is asking YOU to be gay. Homosexuals are not "exploiting" their sexaulity any more than heterosexuals. They are merely asking to live their lives in the open without being discriminated against.
It's really that simple. Try to pay attention.
bullSH*T!
the perverted degenerate class is indeed SHOVING their corrupted moral-less 'values' down the throats of our children, and with intent and purpose, for to corrupt others is their sick way to justify their own behavior CHOICES!
you live the lifestyle YOU WANT< BY CHOICE>!
ric - Professional mental health organizations state that sexual orientation is not a choice.
all behavior IS A CHOICE.
or else a crime.
you live the lifestyle YOU WANT TO LIVE, BY YOUR OWN CHOICE!!
nobody does what they DON NOT WANT TO DO. NOBODY!
ric - Did you choose to be straight? Do you have gay feelings that you choose not to act upon?
I'm a Santa Fe resident and proud of our Mayor and city for promoting equality for all. Now our state gov't needs to catch up.
BTW: this is NOT a shotgun move by the mayor. He's always been pro equality and supportive of fairness for all. He's also been very open and proud of his lesbian daughter.
To those of you up in arms over same sex marriage equality: Don't marry a person of the same gender. It's that simple. I promise your redneck, hate filled views will not warrant you a seat at the next civil wedding ceremony and party. You are an increasing minority and we are NOT going back into the closet to appease you.
I dream of the not so distant day when I can (and will), marry my longtime partner. Don't like it? No worries, you won't be invited. Just don't rain on my parade. I promise I've no desire to interfere with yours.
And, if you're fixated on the intimate lives of same sex couples and other consenting adults: Don't pass GO, head directly to your nearest mental health counselors. You NEED serious flippin' help. MYOFB!
Last, I'm an active leader in my church and serve on our Board of Trustees. I'm welcomed with open hearts, mind and arms by fellow congregants in my diverse spiritual community. I know that I am spiritually nourished and that I'm good with my God. Kindly do NOT waste your breath (nor insult our collective intelligences) by quoting Leviticus and other religious dogmatic BS.
Peace and EQUALITY for ALL in 2013.
JL - Well said!
Thanks pmdww2
Gay marriage is becoming a reality, though slowly, whether you idiots like it or not. It is just a matter of time. Imagine when your grandchildren (though I hope you don't reproduce) look back at you people who stood on the wrong side of history, making life difficult for people who just wish to live a decent life under the law, and gag at the very thought of having in their veins the blood of bigots and people who chose superstition over reality. What a shame you all are to society. Fortunately, civilization, following evolution, will purge itself of mentalities that no longer apply.
degenerate behavior. by definition.
behavior is a choice or else a crime.
ric - Yes, bigotry is degenerate behavior by definition.
same-sex behavior is by definition NOT THE SAME as male-female.
the cowards, hypocrites, and moral fools who promote this perversion are too stupid to know the difference or meaning of words, much less morality.
ric - The love between two people of the same gender is as legitimate as the love between two people of the opposite gender. Gays deserve the same legal rights as their heterosexual counterparts.
then all bathrooms, washrooms, showers, and lockers, must be open to all people and not separated by ONLY male vs. female.
otherwiese you are a hypocrite.
then any number must be allowed, if they are 'in love'. then any two or more of the same family must be allowed, if they are 'in love'.
degenerates claiming morality does not make it so.
Biology 101 Andy---It is far more likely Non-Homosexuals WILL have grandchildren. Homosexual relationships are sterile, and produce nothing. That's just biology.
ric - The same arguments were used against interracial marriage, and they are as untrue now as they were then. Interracial marriage did not lead to incestual marriage, and neither will gay marriage.
Big - Infertile heterosexual couples cannot have children, either. Should they not be allowed to get married?
race is not a behavior.
male-male sexual behavior is a behavior.
people who live and choose homosexual behaviors do so BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.
nobody does ANYTHING they DO NOT WANT TO DO! BY CHOICE.
Sexual orientation is not a choice. Unfortunately, bigotry is.
What kills me is how much the bible has changed since 1944 , I have my great grandmas bible and it says nothing of gay marriage , actually deposes it , says its immoral for a man to lay with a man or a woman to lay with a woman Wow imagine that !!! Jews at work controlling the masses with christianity, what a stupid society has been created by jew media and lets not forget the holohoax , the biggest fraud of all times !!! Only the stupid believe and they should be killed anyway!!!
Laura.... talk about bigotry... You endorse the genocide of an entire religious group.... and yes, Hitler killed more than Jews in the concentration camps... He killed gays...because they were an abomination... he killed the mentally ill because they were of no use to society... and he killed Gypsies because nobody liked Gypsies... I think you need to talk to a few of the remaining WWII vets who helped to liberate those concentration camps...
By your logic, homosexuality will die out since gay relationships by their very nature cannot bear children.
Laura-3285348:
First, it might help you make your point if you could actually write correct English sentences. Did you mean to say that the bible opposes gay marriage? I don't think the bible is capable of taking a deposition.
As for the bible opposing homosexuality, let me make a few cogent points:
1. We freely choose to follow or ignore many other biblical laws, as it suits us, like the one about mixing two different fabrics in our clothing, or the ones where slavery is legal, or where people who violate the Sabbath are put to death.
2. The biblical prohibitions say nothing about women, so by your logic lesbian marriages should be just fine.
3. The prohibitions in the bible against male homosexuality appear twice: Once, when G-d is warning the Israelites not to copy the Canaanite religious practices, which sometimes involved heterosexual men engaging in homosexual sex as a form of idol worship, and a second time when the bible addresses the treatment of prisoners of war, and warns that you should not rape the male prisoners. Neither of these prohibitions has anything to do with a consensual, loving relationship between two men.
You are welcome to check these facts, assuming you are capable of reading the bible you claim to quote.
As for your antisemitic ranting and your denial of reality, all I can say is that it is tragic that such hatred exists. You demonstrate all that is wrong and evil in human nature. Perhaps if you could learn to like yourself, and accept yourself, you would not hate others so much.
I am sick of the sickos in this SOCIALIST COUNTRY LOL pushing things on people. Maybe all the fags will move there. Set up their own fag church and leave every normal person alone.
Rick...if you are the bar for what is "normal" in this country then we are all truly f*cked.
Why is it conservatives label everything they dislike "socialism?"
there is NOTHING normal about male-male sexual behavior.
it is sick, perverted, corrupt, and degenerate. by definition.
it can never create life, but has only DESTROYED life.
it is nothing to be proud of and everything to reject. period.
ric - I posted this once, but it is worth repeating. Homosexuality is considered a normal part of human sexuality by the following professional mental health associations: The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the American Counseling Association, the Canadian Psychological Association, and the National Association of Social Workers.
it is by definition a PERVERSION. BY DEFINITION.
male-male sexual behavior is degnerate behavior. BY DEFINITION.
it has never created life. it can never create life. it HAS ONLY DESTROYED LIFE.
for other dumbasses to claim it is 'normal' is just more degenerates having sex with each other.
ric - I think I will trust the statements made by the professional mental health associations that homosexuality is normal over your opinion to the contrary.
professional degenerates.
ric - Yes, bigots are degenerates.
Methinks ricardoh doth protest too much. Perhaps there are some repressed tendencies there? You are way too obsessed with the private sexual behavior of others. Seems unhealthy to me. Get yourself some help before it is too late.
this perversion is degenerate behavior. by definition.
supported only by other degenerates, cowards, and fools.
behavior is a CHOICE. NOBODY does what they DO NOT WANT TO DO!
find one person claiming they 'dont want to be' whatever, and you are a LIAR!
male is NOT THE SAME as female is NOT THE SAME as incest is NOT THE SAME as pedophilia is NOT THE SAME as polygamy is NOT THE SAME as male-female IS NOT THE SAME as same-sex.
and every fool reading this knows it!!
ricardoh - Professional mental health associations state that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality. I think I will their statements over your opinion, ric.
claims of fellow degenerates.
Back in the 70's, the American Society of Psychiatrist classified Homosexuality a type of neurosis
Big - Homosexuality was removed as a disorder from the DSM in 1973 because of studies (the first of which was in 1957) that showed that there was, "No scientific basis for inferring a predisposition to psychopathology or other maladjustment as intrinsic to homosexuality or bisexuality." Source - American Psychological Association.
That is recent opinion and the statement is a variant from normal behaviour. Like how some animals do not know how to react unless induced or trained. The psychiatric community said Charles Manson was sane. They did lobotomies door to door in the seventies, yeah real scientific stuff to. Sometimes they only brought along a hammer and screwdriver. This was also the time Sig Freud was discredited. Most researchers working on gay projects are gay.
By WHAT definition exactly? Yours?
Really? I took two bullets in combat for our country...what have you done lately?
Really? Did you choose to be heterosexual?
Umm...and your point with that rhetoric is what exactly?
Thank your for being master of the obvious, but I fail to see what relevance that has.
Thanks for calling every person who reads your retarded diatribe a fool, but you're not exactly making yourself out to be an Einstein.
Big Curt...back in the 70's, electric shock therapy was also considered an effective form of treatment.
Back in the 1600's, women suspect of being witches were burned at the stake.
Point: We evolve.
Bob - The American Psychological Association stated that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality in 1973.
and tomorrow the same degenerates will claim Bob bobbing his donkey will be a 'normal variant'. no harm comes from it. period.
cannoli breathe, degenerates who shove homosexuality down society are by definition CHOOSING DEGENERATE AND PERVERTED behaviors.
and yeah I CHOOSE to think of women and NOT the perversion and sickness of thinking and CHOOSING the behaviors that are perverted.
everyone does EXACTLY what they WANT TO DO!! to claim otherwise is a steaming crok.
Actaully, electro-shock therapy is still being used
Michael Sandusky and NAMBLA agree with you but Michael Glatze and anyone with morals says bullsh**.
ric - Homosexuality and pedophilia are 2 VERY different things. Homosexuality is the loving relationship between 2 consenting ADULTS of the same gender. Pedophiles rape children.
I think most ppl are getting fed up with this bull@!$%# and we want normal lives back and that doesn't include queers , @!$%#s and illegal mexicans . We are tired of supporting them with our taxes and so forth yet the politicians seem to have all the benefits we don't have despite all our hard work we do!!!
That explains why no one votes for Republicans anymore.
Ricardoh, if you regularly choose to be attracted to women, then you also regularly think about f*cking a guy. That's the way choices work. If I'm to choose between a burger and a chicken sandwich, I have to think of both.
So are you willing to admit that you regularly think about f*cking guys? Or are you just going to admit that it's not really a choice? (cue Jeopardy music)
Laura,
The newer America is a browner America. Maybe you should pack your things and leave.
Laura
The newer America is a browner America. Maybe you should pack your things and leave.
I read this article as a Mayor governing by fiat without first allowing his constituents the right to debate and take a consensus, just like Bloomberg trying to mico-manage what people drink inside his city.
Big - Civil rights should not be put to a public vote. If they were, much of the south would still be segregated, and interracial marriage would be illegal in many states.
pmdww2---Last I checked, we live inside a represenative democarcy with checks and balances. For an administrator to make an executive decree based upon their own opinion or motivation without the conscensus of the people is tyranny. Whatever the issue. If it's alright for one issue, it opens the floodgates on a whole lot of other issues. Case in point----the courts ruled against Bloomberg's high-minded decision to control the amount of soft drinks people ingest. He may have had altruistic reasons for his decisions, but the courts ruled against his authority and methods in how he enacted his decisions upon the constituents of his city. Same goes here.
Big - The mayor is not acting against the law. The law is vague, so he is interpreting it in favor of gay marriage. It will likely be challenged by the courts, which is fine. That does not change my point that civil rights should not be put to a public vote. The rights of the minority must be protected from the tyranny of the majority.
pmdww2---I read the article as well. Yes, it is reported as vague. However, the first civil right is to be free of government intrusion and having decrees enacted against the will of the people without the general conscensus of the people. If you want to make the argument that this issue has a special prescedent which should overlook the rule of law under our system of government, then you open up the Pandora's Box on a lot of other special interest's. So, I have to disagree with your reasoning for overlooking the system which was set down for us to be governed by. More then likely there will be a challenge to his decision and it'll end up in a court room to be decided by a judge if he held the authority to proceed.
Good for you doing the right thing.
I'm a Santa Fe resident and proud of our Mayor and city for promoting equality for all. Now our state gov't needs to catch up.
BTW: this is NOT a shotgun move by the mayor. He's always been pro equality and supportive of fairness for all. He's also been very open and proud of his lesbian daughter.
To those of you up in arms over same sex marriage equality: Don't marry a person of the same gender. It's that simple. I promise your redneck, hate filled views will not warrant you a seat at the next civil wedding ceremony and party. You are an increasing minority and we are NOT going back into the closet to appease you.
I dream of the not so distant day when I can (and will), marry my longtime partner. Don't like it? No worries, you won't be invited. Just don't rain on my parade. I promise I've no desire to interfere with yours.
And, if you're fixated on the intimate lives of same sex couples and other consenting adults: Don't pass GO, head directly to your nearest mental health counselors. You NEED serious flippin' help. MYOFB!
Last, I'm an active leader in my church and serve on our Board of Trustees. I'm welcomed with open hearts, mind and arms by fellow congregants in my diverse spiritual community. I know that I am spiritually nourished and that I'm good with my God. Kindly do NOT waste your breath (nor insult our collective intelligences) by quoting Leviticus and other religious dogmatic BS.
Peace and EQUALITY for ALL in 2013.
JL - Well said!
Yeah, the tide is turning alright, just get ready for the tsunami to hit.
Marriage is not a federal issue,it is a states rights issue.I believe the Supremes will uphold the voted upon,voter approved definition of marriage in California.
Just like the issue of mixed-race marriage is a state's rights issue?
Good luck with that, given that you bigots have lost every single court case to date regarding DOMA and Prop h8.
Actually, marriage is also a Federal issue. The Defense of Marriage Act, signed into law by President Bill Clinton defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman. However, the current administration has chosen not to enforce it - probably to save money like the other laws they choose not to enforce.
Completely false.
The Obama administration is enforcing DOMA, but they're just not defending it in court since they agree with all the lower courts that it's unconstitutional. Obama has an obligation to defend the constitution against unconstitutional laws, but he has no obligation to defend any particular law.
ricardoh-3917836 -
the only "choice" I'm witnessing is yours to be a pathetic, whining, homophobic bigot.
Come out already - by name. You're already doing so with your idiotic anti-gay rants.
BTW: saw you at the local gay bar the other night. you looked pretty comfortable there Senor.
Hey: You know all the bru-haha about North Korea: well let them nuke queersville, a.k.a San Francisco, a.k.a fudge packerville.
The North Koreans could get rid of a whole bunch of our sodomites making our country a much better place and they would be rid of the only ICBM that could hit us thereby making us safer.
Hey:
You know all the bru-haha about Pro life activoist:
Well, lets nuke Pro life activoist, in his merry ole town of "BIGOTSVILLE". aka: STUPID, REDNECK FUTHER MUCKERS.
Cheers to you Pro life activoist. You and your homophobic cronies are cowardly bigots.
you queers are a disease!
Pro life activoist -
You are a pathetic, sniveling, predictable and ANONYMOUS bigot.
Your blatant disrespect and disregard for your fellow citizens blinds you to the fact that YOU are the disease Senor.
I invite you to obtain all necessary help and services to deal with your homophobic disorders. While you're at it - come out already. By that I mean, come out publicly - be a man for once.
CHICKENHSIT.
I believe you agree that you queers are a disease and plague upon the country.
"Allow the debate to continue and the people to decide, not activists mayors and judges"
Considering how certain people's ignorant views have gotten in the way (particularly those who don't believe the same stuff as them), the selfishness and cold-heartedness of various politicians, and these anti-gay groups like the National Organization of Marriage have lobbied state legislatures across the country to ban same-sex marriage, how ironic it is how such an opponent of a civil right gays and lesbians should've had a long time ago and rightfully deserve would say the people of the state should decide themselves. Shame how hate, homophobia, bigotry, and stupidity has prevailed in this country relating to LGBT rights.
I t has ben 3 days since the last homosexual oriented story on msnbc. I though maybe the movement might have realized that most folk don't want to know what goes on in their bedroom .Just go away .Take your wife or husband and go to Vegas! I don't give a phaq. Just keep it of the net , out of newspapers and away from social threads.Form your own thread. Cal it homos today. That way no one but other homos will go and read your comments. This is a no win war for either side. Get married .Marry a mule ,if you want!
Dear mas098 -
I t has ben 3 days since the last homosexual oriented story on msnbc from a homophobic bigot such as yourself.
Kindly do us all a favor and just go away. Your very words magnify your stupidity and obvious lack of comprehension re: equality and fairness for all.
This is A win for all fair minded folks. Get used to it - you're going to be doing a lot of crying. Get over it.
Don't worry......in one week SCOTUS hears the marriage equality cases, and in three months the court ruling is made public and you dumb bigots lose, forever.
Enjoy the next three months of special rights.