Police Officer/ Investigator: "So young lady there is a way to get me to rip this citation up................

Winter too!! I hear that "polar bear" club can get pretty wild!! LOL!!

Vacation destination. Love puttin in Wis. anyway, this just gives you that much more to see....

Sand does not make for a fun lubricant, sex on the beach, really? I guess you can blame the fishy smell on the ocean, huh?

GM Scooter

Trust 2112

Sand does not make for a fun lubricant, sex on the beach, really?

I'll stick with the drink, thank you!

They should compromise, leave the beach area open 24/7 from November through April.

Here's a thought, they require a license for fishing/hunting, this adds revenue to the state, so why not for beach activity? $50 for a sex license, another $50 for a drug stamp to go on the sex license, of course those are resident rates, out of state would be higher. Now bring that revenue in!

trust....your doin it wrong.

70,000 visitors a year since 2008 =280,000 visitors. 92 citations in 4 years = .03% citation rate. Just another example of a government over-reaction to a non-problem. This is just about petty bureaucrats flexing their muscles to strike fear into the hearts of the people. Attempting to prove they are in control. Little Hitlers just like the midget billionaire mayor of NYC. A classic case of "little man" syndrome! Better look over your shoulder to see who's watching what! Wouldn't want to piss off a little tyrant.

The initial headline stated a "Crackdown on the Beach". I was just curious as to which one they were talking about or if everyone should just roll over?

Another example of the "nanny state" mentality that has us with so little liberties anymore.

The DNR trimmed the bush!!!!!!

Good morning I.A. ScooterTramp lovely to see you this morning!

Problem is, you give some people an inch, why they'll take mile. Okay,maybe not a mile in this case. But at least five, six, seven, possibly even eight inches! Now that is the hope and prize for some people in this case!

I have been to Wisconsin once. Ugliest girls in the US. I mean doga_ss ugly! LOL! I would not want to see one of these creatures naked let alone bang em. LOL!

I think you missed the part that the 26 and 13 arrests, that makes 39 were in 9 days of surveillance.

Bobster

You been there Once?...gee thanks for your informed opinion.

Not a big issue right now...it's 10° today...happy spring!!

"But our ultimate goal is to have a safe place anybody can feel comfortable using.

we will feel safe and comfortable as soon as the police leave.

and why are the police wasting valuable time walking thought the woods looking for some guy getting a BJ.

Sex on the beach is highly overrated; I found that out for myself on my 21st birthday. Blanket or no blanket, that sand gets everywhere, and I do mean EVERYWHERE. Meanwhile, where's the rock 'n' roll to go along with the sex and drugs? The late Ian Dury would have been most disappointed.

Yeah, my thoughts too. Doesn't sound like the rates are very high. More government nanny nonsense. Clearly someone doesn't like this or has an ax to grind. The end of the article makes it seem higher but I'm pretty sure there are more serious issues to deal with.

The worst part is the drug issue (most probably being the evil drug monster weed, big deal) but simple, double or triple fines if caught with in the area of the beach and if such an issue increase patrols and state that the beach will be patrolled by officers on a regular basis. Fine them for sex to I guess but if they are consenting adults then a little harder (no pun intended) to really get mad about that I suppose and again worse things out there then two consenting adults pleasuring one another.

Again another case of overreacting, limiting rights and liberties, and saying there is a major problem when it appears there isn't. All doing so without consulting the people first.

It is time

What is the basis for things considered "lewd" or "lascivious"? If we remove the religious aspect to this what remains to make this something bad? (Naked part, not drug part)

So people get naked and get high, in a group.

Of course they are going to have sex.

and Bobster, these people are high, with weed goggles.

losghost, exactly the reason why people with no standards or morals don't make the law. The world would be in total chaos if people were just allowed to do what felt right to them. We have laws because dipsticks like you don't make the right decisions. So, thank you for your ignorance, because of you, and people like you, we have tighter laws. You, are a dingleberry

So they are putting a crackdown on putting your crack down?

Bobster didn't get any on his trip. He's mad. I see hot chicks here everyday. Where do you live, Bob? California, where all the babes are imports?

yeah, why not. It's got to the point everything is being banned everywhere for one stupid reason or another;

kids being expelled because a toy soldier was on a cupcake; a deaf kid's name IN sign language LOOKS like a damn gun; a kid takes a LEGO shaped gun to school; cupcakes and party invites are banned from---you got it,SCHOOLS; What the hell is wrong with this country? It would be very logical for any soldier to ask;What the hell are we fighting for?

You may have thought like I did that all that was happening up there was cheese and bratwurst. Those midwestern rascals making whoopee in the sand during winter. Nude beaches in Madison? Who knew? Go Badgers!

I'm wondering if some of you actually read the article or just skimmed over it. Those arrests were not made in a year's time so that's not an annual average. The article said "wardens arrested 26 people for sex and 16 people for drugs in just nine days of surveillance" and "last summer, wardens issued 19 citations for sex and three for drugs over five or six days of surveillance".

Bob Morton doesn't have to travel way up north for a nude beach. Try Hippie Hollow on Lake Travis right outside Austin. As for the trysts..........well that's just a part of nature too isn't it? Just don't leave the Coney Island whitefish around. Remember, if you pack it in.....pack it out.

Women who fly upside down have crack up.

Sex and drugs on the beach? better than shooting each other with guns

Hippie Hollow. Good old Lake Travis.

If you are having to look for people having sex then you are looking to increase revenue or you are looking to get your jolly's. Either way why would you want to stop it

The activity obviously wasn't kept very discrete or the authorities wouldn't know it was going on.

So the weekdays account for roughly 80 pecent vs. the weekend that accounts for 20 percent. Hmmmmm...there are more citations given on the weekdays. So we're really talking about a 7 to 8 percent increase on weekdays. Well I guess if they are worried about that 7 to 8 percent CLOSE IT.

This is why Ultra Liberilism is BAD! leads to sex and drugs in the woods! LOL!

Title on MSN home page read "Crackdown on nudist beach". I am still a little tickled by the play on words.

Next

I'll be waiting for all the facts, so then we'll all know the "Naked Truth" behind this decision!

oh...and if you want to look at the fact that there are 2.5 times the opportunities on weekdays vs. weekends we are talking about 2.8 to 3.2 percent more on weekdays.....BUT they are right ....there are more citations given on the weekdays...LMAO. :))

Bobster ~ Midwest girls are the best!

Hummmmmmmmmmmm~~~ Whats their REAL problem?

If they have to go looking for it .. it's not "public" ~~~~ and if no one is complaining, and all actions are consensual, whats the harm? "No Harm, No Foul" Is sex between consenting adults against the law in Madison, Wisconsin? lol

I'm always fascinated by people that peek in other peoples windows to see them involved in some sex act, and then condemn them for a "unnatural act" and want them punished! lol

Close the Beach! ~~~~ Lock em Up! ..lol ... With that many people coming .. it seems that discouraging them would hurt business ... at least at the local pharmacy! GET A LIFE!

Simple Solution: create a seperate area of the nude beach where anything goes, and people can bump uglies like dogs in heat...or get high as a kite in all their nude glory, if they wish.

to each their own...and if this doesnt sound appealing to you: DONT GO THERE.

it really is that simple.

I guess that means they'll be outlawing MTV in the homes now right, that has way more negative influence!

Wish I had known about this place before...

"It's pretty incredible to see the amount of traffic that pulls onto the property," Kroeplin said. "Everything we've done has not made any difference."

Open a motel, charge low rates by the hour. Now all the sex is indoors, nor more 'lewdness'.

As for the drugs, run raids with dogs once a day. Sniff 'em out, fine 'em and use the money for financing the whole thing.

PETA is behind this. The squirrels were complaining of contact highs and inedible nuts.

First off, the time span 2008-2012 covers 5 years of citations. At first calculation, it appears a small incidence rate, until you get lower down in the article and realize that most of the citations were given out during a "crackdown", not general patrols. Unfortunately, the article doesn't give us the raw info that the DNR has, so we can't really draw any conclusions. It sounds like the only conducted these surveillance operations one week out of the year, or maybe a couple of days a week for a month, etc. Hard to tell. Depending on when the operations were conducted can really skew the data. Perhaps the did it only during Memorial Day weekend, 4th of July week, and/or Labor Day weekend. High traffic weeks with notoriously more rowdy groups of people going out there, instead of the usual vistors. It really just seems like a poor set of data from which to draw any conclusions. Their best option would be to post notices of random patrols and then actually have random patrols, or even a permanent presence. I'll apply for that latter job.

The bigger point is. some folks get off on doing it outdoors. However, if you wish to do it, be willing to pay the penalty if caught. You can go to our national parks and hike far off the beaten path into bear country, and have pretty good chance having the privacy the act requires. However, don't be surprised if someone else just happens to walk past you in the act -- even in someplace as large as Yosemite or Yellowstone.

The message here is be responsible about the way we conduct ourselves or the gov't will have to regulate it. A "good thing" (nude beach) getting spoiled because of a few a-holes. "Crack" down, LOL!

YOu missed it here if you are talking about the number over all those years. They went in and issued 23 in just 5-6 days, they had been leaving the place alone and must have received complaints, so they investigated. So that would be about 4 per day, assuming the level was that constant you are talking over 1400 a year....and that is a problem. Come on people...get a room.

Perhaps they could have left a small portion open during the week and instituted a small charge to cover the cost of some security.

Bobster-1557895

I have been to Wisconsin once. Ugliest girls in the US. I mean doga_ss ugly! LOL! I would not want to see one of these creatures naked let alone bang em. LOL!

I suspect you're a bald fat ass pot bellied middle aged stinky breath jackass who couldn't get laid in a Wisconsin whore house with a million dollars in his pocket.

mosquito season is right around the corner...just ban deet...they'll leave their clothes on...

WOW!!!

92 citations in 4 years! OMG that's 1 citation every 15 -16 days. HOLY SH!T what a bunch of wild criminals! They give out at least 5 citations for alcohol related disturbances every day in the Hampton Beach area of NH & Mass. But they don't close that area down. This is just another attempt to enforce their morals on the general public disguised as a public safety initiative!

"the state Department of Natural Resources announced it will close the beach, the islands immediately off it and the surrounding woods to the public on weekdays, when wardens say troublemakers tend to operate unseen."

So masturbating, having sex, or smoking a joint while being unseen by anyone is being a "troublemaker"?

Here's a thought: How about worrying about ILLEGAL acts when you receive complaints about them instead of harassing people that aren't bothering anybody.

The last sentence of the story pretty well sums it up!

i figure those cops get a chubby watching...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2i91aCoOKw

@ Empson13

"You, are a dingleberry"

Seriously? I'm surprised you didn't call him a poo-poo head.

And to commemorate the self-denial of Lent, we are declaring there will be no meat on weekdays. Since right now the beach is covered in more than a foot of snow and there is a wind chill of -20 F, enforcement will have to wait until summer, except for those willing to risk freezing their meat.

My friend that's majoring in law in Eau Claire, Wisconsin sent me this email:

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Oliver,

I can understand making the illicit drug use in public places, illegal. But to make it illegal to have sex in hidden places (for example, tall brush, or hiding in a grove of trees, for cover) in a social place zoned for, or customarily accepted for nudity? I suspect the religious right are using the small rate of drug offenders in these nude beaches, as an excuse to legislate into power the spread of their prudish version of morality. They must consider semi-public sex obscene when it doesn't offend this area's community standards where nudity is acceptable.

So if two consenting adults in nearby homes both have a glass of wine out in an open patio on their private property, and walk over there to have sex in the dark of night, at a beach area and under the stars where nudity is legal ...does that make it illegal?

Well, a prudish complainant spying on them with binoculars have called the police to tell them they were seen drinking, and the officer, just following up on the call-in on a complaint, goes into the area, finds them doing the horizontal mambo behind some trees as a blinder, and had the married couple fined for having sex in public after he smelled alcohol on their breath. The couple went to court, told the judge what happened, and had the fine reduced along with a warning from the judge for the couple to use better judgement.

But the very fact they had to go though this trouble because some voyeur prude was offended, tells you how easy it is for the morality zealots to make things miserable on consenting adults ...especially in this country.

The morality-obsessed in this country better not visit public areas in other parts of the civilized old world where anyone sunning themselves in their birthday clothes is considered, "au naturel." If they complain to the law and press the issue, they can stand to get arrested and fined for being an ignorant nuisance for arguing with the local authorities that work long hours for low pay, that already believe that some American tourists can get pretty arrogant, stupid and demanding.

Empson13

losghost, exactly the reason why people with no standards or morals don't make the law. The world would be in total chaos if people were just allowed to do what felt right to them. We have laws because dipsticks like you don't make the right decisions. So, thank you for your ignorance, because of you, and people like you, we have tighter laws. You, are a dingleberry

Thanks for the ad hominem. It didn't make you sound like a jackass in any way.

As far as law is concerned, it's a good thing that people that use the bible for morals don't make laws either, as we would then be stoning people to death like our dear islamic brothers and sisters.

As far as your fallacious "slippery slope" argument, how can you be so certain that "total chaos" would ensue if people were allowed to get naked on a beach or have sex in the woods?

I suppose you may have missed the context of my statement. What exactly is it that makes having sex or being naked a "wrong decision"? At what point is the human body such a vile thing to behold?

You never answered the question, just personally attacked me. Are you a christian perhaps?

"Obviously we're disappointed when we have to shut any portion of our property down," he said. "But our ultimate goal is to have a safe place anybody can feel comfortable using. And with the current activity going on down there, that's just not the case."

How many people have been injured or died at the beach?

And thats all you got from this article?.....there really is no hope for some folks....

UDunnoBro

A beach is not located on a river or a lake - that would be a "shore".

Lake Side Beach is on Lake Huron near Port Huron, Michigan.

As to the closing...talk about your prudes. Who cares if people are having sex or doing drugs in the woods? I mean seriously...grow up.

........according to whom?

Who cares if people are having sex or doing drugs in the woods?

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.....it frightens the bears, they care, so they charge off angrily into town and turn over everyone's garbage cans just to get even.!

Really, culheath, the article would have us believe that sex and drugs never occur at a public beach that does not allow nudity. Yes, by all means, let's close golf courses, campgrounds, state and national parks, and all public places overseen by the Department of (un)Natural Resources. And when millennials clamor for a rock concert a la Woodstock, watch as all the Boomer bureaucrats in charge of the current state of morality (sic) conveniently forget the sensuous nature of youth. Sex, drugs, and rock and roll forever!

In reference to the "shore" post above. Land that borders a lake or ocean is called the "shore", e.g., Lake Shore Drive along Lake MIchigan. Land that borders a river is called a "bank", as in the Banks of the River Jordan by Aaron Neville.

culheath, you are also a perfect example of why we need laws. People that think there is nothing wrong with anything....anything goes. Stick a carrot in your ear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach

Beach can be anywhere near water.

I've heard of 'seashore' but never rivershore. Maybe some bar somewhere named 'Rivershore'. Don't know.

UDunnoBro - dude, try checking the definition of a word before you attempt to pretend to know what you're talking about.

Beach: A pebbly or sandy shore, esp. by the sea between high- and low-water marks.

Perhaps you live in a big concrete city, nowhere near water, and you've never been to a "beach" before...but I assure you, they exist near almost every body of water...be it ocean, lake, river or even sometimes...ponds (that are big and clean enough to swim in).

*FACE PALM

seriously folks, how do people not know what a beach is?

i dated that beach once...i don't date a shore twice...

Master of the Universe!, just where do you live, out of curiosity, that you are meeting these beautiful girls that are outside of your home every day and why have you not asked one out for a date? Inquiring minds want to know the answers. Thank you.

I would guess you are right about that, someone with the ear of a powerful official has their panties in a wad about it! Out west there are thousands of acres of land under the BLM or Forest service umbrella that is closed or in process of being closed to public access, even on foot or horseback! The sex and drugs are not the issue, only the excuse, it is about control!

the DNR will then complain about lost revenues, unable to maintain it's upkeep, and then a quick quiet sale to some rich person who'll turn it into condo's - for far under the actual value of the land.

oh how I love capitalism and politics, they just go so well together to screw the common man

sebreb...see that rock?...the one marked "politics"?.... crawl back under it.

Reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly, my lefty Iowa tramp? Are you sure this isn't me replying to one of YOUR posts? Cost to patrol these areas come directly out of the state budget, just like the budget your buddy Scotty Walker cut all those silly, striking teachers off from.

Carry on, my friend.

after obama get's thru throw'n money with both hands...we will all be nudist after taxes are paid...dam nice rock right out here in the middle of cyber space...surprised more ain't crawl'n under it...

Exactly. None of this should be illegal!

just call them undocumented cloth wearer's...and send them home...

I've been to nude beaches in other countries (once with a boyfriend in California) and they creeped me out. Not that I've been to this one in Wisconsin, but it's primarily men, lurking to see ANY female, often with cameras. I could assume they're probably the same trolls that escaped from their computer.

The one in California, it was a total set-up and you'd see the guys almost cruising down the same path. We were covered by bushes, and yet, they kept walking past us, all singular, older men. I didn't dare even take my top off. We stayed 30 minutes tops and I told him, "we're leaving."

I was thinking that "beach" could apply to any body of water. Thanks for clarifying!

It does apply to any body of water. But 'pond' is still waiting on it beach status when sandy deposits are nearby. Best get those democripts busy to elevate ponds everywhere to eliteness.

Read the article. Those arrests were not made in a year's time so that's not an annual average. The article said "wardens arrested 26 people for sex and 16 people for drugs in just nine days of surveillance" and "last summer, wardens issued 19 citations for sex and three for drugs over five or six days of surveillance".

You missed the whole part about the time frame of surveillance. It was 9 days and 6 days. So go back to the drawing board and work on the correct math formula to get to the correct percentage.

and if they hadnt done any surveillance at all, they'd have the same citation rates as non-nude beaches...

where, you guessed it, sex, drugs and other nefarious things occur too.

I used to work at a movie theatre, we caught people having oral sex FAR TOO OFTEN...though, no police citations were given out. They were just asked to leave.

I suppose we should start closing the theatre's too?

the naked truth scares some sir.

Well, they need to beach about something...

Bauer

ohhhh "crackdown"

depends on who is on top.

Another way to say the word is "bushup".

Because you might have fun or you might be temped to have sex. Another waste of time and taxpayers money on adults not harming anyone.

What do you bet that if Wisconsin decriminalized pot that would cut down on the number of drug citations by at least 2/3rds too?

So, how much worse is this particular beach over the rest of Dane County as a whole when it comes to drug charges per-capita?

My guess is that the incidence of drug charges might not be any worse than anywhere else in the county.

Perhaps if they want to cut-down on public sexual behavior they should allow campers back in too.

It's Wisconsin. I'm sure they add in alcohol to this HUGE "drug" thing. Oh, it's all those drugs out there! War on drugs! Stop the drugs "beer" from coming across the border!

So can i place my blanket next to yours Mary?

MMMM donuts, may I have one Tramp?

Sure Lisa. A cold beer too. Then a nice leisurely stroll through the woods observing nature at its raw best. ...

Don't forget the drugs :)

I love taking drugs "beer" when I'm naked.

I don't want to be around people using drugs ...period.

I got out of that about 14 years ago. And I do not want to smell or breathe second hand post smoke (or any other smoke--smoking in restaurants is illegal here)

A couple years ago we were in a restaurant and there was someone in the back (Or a table) where they were smoking pot. Before we ordered I asked the waitress why that was being allowed, she said the owner did not care. So we chose to leave the restaurant and not eat. 6 months later they were out of business...wonder if that owner cares now?

Many nudists have a healthy attitude towards their bodies, they have the whole family involved including kids. While it is not my thing, they should not have to subject themselves or kids to drugs and public sex. People, get a room.

Not all sex is lewd. And those drugs would have to be Viagra if they were doing it all day.

Non-liberals and non-progressives don't do drugs or have sex? Maybe just on the weekends.

@Larry...truly spoken like someone who couldn't get a blow job if he had a hundred dollar bill sticking out of his zipper. You're right, though, of course...no conservative would have promiscous sex while sucking off the government teat. No hypocrisy with you, huh?

http://www.ranker.com/list/republican-sex-scandals/web-infoguy

Apparently you're familiar with Madison... lol!

Correct no conservatives have anonymous sex and use drugs to help

Just ask Rush Limbaugh (And he was not prescribed those drugs)

THe holier than thou but have been caught with their pants down Cons list is quite long.

David Vitter, Shwartzenegger, Packwood, Gringrich, Larry Craig, Mark Foley and I can easily list 40 "Evangelicals" to the list.

I don't care who you have sex with, as long as they are an adult and consenting...I just don't want to see you do it. I mean come on...who wants to see Rush Limbaugh having sex?

Most people have sex, just "libs' are not hypocrites about it for the most part. We don't climb on pedestals and proclaim our holier than thou morals...but we do watch quite a few right wingers fall fat and hard from those pedestals...Right Sarah Palin? (Conceived her first kid out of wedlock [check the date he was born and the day she married Todd] and then her daughter did the same)

That's what she said.

That's what I think! These criminals should be crucified up & down East Washington Ave. from East Towne Mall to the Capitol. Just like good old times!

It's where all of the dicks hang out.

unless they are sideways...

What if you're female?

We have a nudist beach/shore/bank where I live. Big man- my answer is there aren't naked females in it. We would tube down the river and have to walk back through the nudist beach. Sausage fest and I think they liked it that way.

Being a girl and going to a nudist beach as a half nudist? Did it once. I'm not mature enough for it. I just couldn't stop laughing and man o man, were there a lot of creepers. I thought the nudist community wasn't about the sexuality of it all and hear them talk about themselves as all respectful. I'd beg to differ.

grosser schwantzstucker... (to quote from Young Frankenstein...)

Why do you care?

Ever get the feeling that the wheel is turning but the hampster's dead?

Anyway, they don't have the problems on the weekends, if you read the article.

I'm with Masters of the Universe...Yeah Dave, why the @!$%# do you care?!?!?! Let it be!!!

And I say again...Why do you care?

Because it can cause other states(including MINE)to want this kind of crazy nonsense allowed.

THAT'S WHY I CARE!

Why do people always think their decisions affect no one else? You're dead wrong, it affects many and the decisions people make and push for can actually lead to downfalls of a society, including it's morals. Yet, liberals want to sit and the WHY questions when things happen or why our youth are so screwed up?

Look at the things many of you support, the answers to your WHY questions are right there!

dave....read the article.

The number of people there on the much busier weekends seems to control it then.

Hey Tompca- I was thinking the same thing!!! Only the asexual people!!!

Have you ever been to a nude beach in this country? If not, want to know what's going on at a lot of "rest areas" these days? Let's equate it to Craigs List, in public.

Blue beach balls?

We are a cold blooded type people in Wisconsin. Meaning ice in our veins. Not no damned reptile nonsense. Although for fun we like to pretend we are...sometimes. Ever heard of Ed Gein? He was a boy scout compared to the rest of us. He stepped out of line and we framed his ass. He was only supposed to do his thing to tourists. He stepped out of line and now he lives in infamy. We sure showed him.

And chiggers.

LOL George...Good one!

Designate the area as a "Tick Habitat"