Yea, was confused on that one too, it's almost like NBC has an agenda and didn't really care what the truth was.

He is guilty of letting his license expire. Fine him and seize the illegal weapons as punishment and STOP making this political MSNBC you have no limits in how low you will go trying to turn stories in your favor.

I guess the real question that needs to be answered is, was he selling these guns, as a dealer, without a firearms license. Otherwise, did he pose a threat to anyone? Did he threaten anyone? Oh, that's right --- it is NY and just possessing a weapon makes you a criminal in the eyes of the tyrannical state government. Seriously??? Unless he posed a threat to community safety, police resources would be better spent in tracking down those that are using guns in the commission of crimes.

Why were the weapons illegal if the authorities haven't even run them through the database....cause he lives in N.Y.?

Would you want to live next door to someone with 300 guns? Not me.

So what is the limit for you? Because I've never met a man that can utilize 300guns at once, so I'm figuring 3-4 is your true limit. So yea, I have no problem living next to someone with more than 3 guns.

Would you want to live next door to someone with 300 guns

Sure. Why not? It's not like they're going to all go off at once. You're probably safer living next door to him than most other people.

Eric - I'd rather live next door to someone with 300 guns than someone that has household chemicals that can be used as chemical weapons if used improperly.

haggis-

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NEVERMIND.

SMH...

:-\

Sounds like an ex-dealer with some left over inventory. He's only guilty if he was buying and selling them as if he were a licensed dealer or from/to criminals. Are the illegal guns deemed as such only because of the crazy law in NYC that they can't more than 7 round clips in them? Does Long Island not fall under that law too?

RepublicanforObama - Check your facts, All the major gun massacres since Columbine have performed by loony shooters with Democrat affiliations. So, with your logic, you are a danger to youself....

Did you see his post? Clearly he is a danger to himself.

Apparently none of you can wait for a complete investigation to pass judgement. If any of these weapons are illegal or have been used in a crime then this fellow should be charged. If they all turn out to be legal then more power to him. He likes guns and collects them that doesn't mean he may be a nut case. I read somewhere that over a 100 million Americans own guns. We don't see those 100 million killing people. Every gun owner isn't going to kill someone. If you need to know, I don't own guns, but that's by my choice. I have relatives that have collections that would put this guy to shame and they rarely fire any weapon they own. Most of my relatives, I live in the South, hunt game and they don't use assault rifles. They do enjoy target shooting as a hobby.

What does that mean exactly? I have business cards from 15 years ago. I don't know why you'd want to live in New York and have that many firearms, it makes the locals nervous but I'm still trying to figure out what the crime is here.

Does Long Island not fall under that law too?

Suffolk county, Long Island does not fall under NYC jurisdiction.

This guy let his license expire and had guns, therefore, illegally. If you drive without a license - you are going to run afoul of the law just as if you have 85 handguns without a license. He knew the laws and decided to disobey them. Period.

I don't see what there is in this story to get 2nd amendment buffs up in arms. It really is a non-story.

My kind of man.

Wondering if the fellow that "tipped" the vaunted nypd off is going to receive that awesome $500 reward. All Hail Bloomy!

I didn't know about the reward, but maybe that's so you can buy a gun to defend yourself against retaliation.

This is a non-story, slanted to fulfill NBC's liberal anti-gun agenda. It's obvious the guns are leftover inventory from when he was a dealer. It'd be pretty hard to unload 300 guns after your license expired, wouldn't it?

And I, too, have business cards from a job I used to have. They even have my sales license number on them. Left the place 5 years ago - just haven't thrown them out. Doesn't mean I "maintain" them.

To me, the only crime here is not renewing his license so he could legally sell them off.

Oops, wrong law to break at the wrong time. Couldn't care less that he had 300 guns. Obama has an army, now that's terrifying.

Repubs and NRA think they are the only ones with the big toys...lol

Docholiday. No one thinks that. Of the 80+ million gun owners in America, obviously some will not be GOP. However around 75% of our Military and Police lean toward conservatism...so they will account for something big if needed.

You will be surprised how many Libs have arsenals that could take out an entire 5th SS Panzer division and part of the Luftwaffe...

We believe you. There are many ex-cons, criminals, gangs and cartels that support Democrats in all the Loony Leftwing major metro cities and I am sure they have some serious arsenals, particularly in Chicago, New York, LA, and Detroit, among others.

Requiring all sellers of guns to do background checks would have revealed that this guy did not have a license. If such a thing was in place in 2004, THAT would have caused the guy to just be fined for not renewing his license.

NOW, he gets arrested, and all his guns go bye bye.

Stupid gun owner.

I'm a libtard and I like guns. I know many older women who are gun-lovers, hunters, and staunch Democrats. So quit lumping us together. I'm not even anti-assault rifle.

@Probusiness, and what if that guy with 300 guns that lives next to you becomes mentally ill?

Like becomes a liberal?

Hey

Republicans for OBOZO

The real problem are liberals.

The last 6 mass shooters are/were liberal democrats. Yes that's right. Liberals are killing Americans off at a rate higher than anyone else. Lets ban liberals and we will have no more mass shootings. Take away guns from law abiding citizens and only liberals will have guns.

1. Fort Hood: Registered democrat and Muslim jihadist

2. Columbine: too young to vote. Families were registered democrats and progressive liberals.

3: Virginia Tech: Democrat, wrote hate mail to President Bush and his staff.

4: Colorado Theater: Registered democrat, staff worker for the Obama campaign, occupy wall street participant, progressive liberal.

5: Connecticut school shooter: Registered democrat, hated Christians.

6: Tucson shooting: Jared Loughner was a registered Independent but voted along democratic lines, hated Bush, loved abortion, was angry with the Giffords for not having done enough against Bush.

I personally do not care what any laws are passed. I along with millions of Constitutional citizens will not obey those laws that infringe on our rights.

molon labe

RepublicansForObama-6186389

Calling all "GUN-NUTS", calling all "GUN-NUTS"

Is it something I said?

YOU are the threat to this nation because you and your mindless handout getting drones believe anything Obama says and piss on the Constituion. Examine the Nazis, they followed Hitler right into the grave after abandoning the Weimar Republic, a Constitution a great deal like ours since it was drafted by us. Nice work. Keep tearing apart this country with your allegiance to a man vs. a document meant to afford rights to us all.

PS I voted for Obama first term but I saw the light when he couldnt pass any laws he promised in his campaign EVEN with a compliant democratic Senate and House for 2 YEARS!

Wondering if the fellow that "tipped" the vaunted nypd off is going to receive that awesome $500 reward. All Hail Bloomy!

If the mayor of NYC is offering it, then no. Centereach is not in NYC.

Here it comes EVEN BEFORE GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION IS PASSED.....raiding someones home for guns.

Sorta reminds me of ICE who RELEASED THOUSANDS of Felon Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) before Mr. Obama's Sequester went into effect.

Welcome to communist China thanks to your Progressive elected officials.

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Progressives and Unions are dinosaurs.

Listen To Doc HOLIDAY #1.29

Hwy DOC SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE A liberal who is advocating violence

Maybe the POLICE SHOULD COME TO YOUR HOUSE

AND LEAVE THEW LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS ALONE

Looks like some of it is pretty rusty too, if he was a shady seller his product is sub par. Shame to see such nice machining just rotting.

I think statements like "he had more firepower than the detectives sent to arrest him" are funny. What was going to happen? they draw their guns and he pulls 300 guns at once on them? :P

Guns need people to operate, if he was holed up with 10 tweaked out crack addicts that would be another story, but unless the man is related to dr. octopus, he can only hold 1-2 at once!

Waiting to hear more detail about whether he was selling to known criminals or was just a really bad gun collector...

SO THERE YOU have it folks!

The last 6 mass shooters are/were liberal democrats

and DOCHOLIDAY IS SAYING

The Libs just like to play dumb and then ya piss em off and you get your ass incinerated with a flamethrower...

SOUNDS TO ME THE PROBLEM IS THE NUT JOB LIBERALS

@ riley-1759556

He is guilty of letting his license expire. Fine him and seize the illegal weapons as punishment and STOP making this political MSNBC you have no limits in how low you will go trying to turn stories in your favor.

#1.4

Since each state's laws are different, I can't really say for sure, but this is a Federal License, so the state has no say so.

His License to sell guns expired. PERIOD. I know numerous gun dealers who have let the FFL expire(for numerous reasons), and they kept most of the guns that were left in their inventor. These are their own private property, not stock from a gun maker.

And as Harold pointed out, being a gun dealer, one tend to accumulate a large number of guns, and related paraphernalia. So what is the problem? If he was still selling guns as a business, then he would have some trouble, it sounded like to me he was retired.

So he didn't have a license for his handguns? I agree, fine him. But to confiscate all the other guns? This sounds more like "paper work" lawlessness, that the government usually won't prosecute, like some one lying on their NICS app. Why is NY... oh that's right, it NY, bunch of idiot liberals.

Many of you apparently can't read. It says "An arsenal of more than 300 guns, many of them ILLEGAL" Isn't this what you NRA gun enthusiasts keep bitching should happen? I have heard ad nauseum that we don't need more gun laws we just need to enforce the laws on the books. Here you go but you are still not satisfied I guess.

Dear 420 frees the mind

I do not threaten war at every turn, I do support the death penalty as certain crimes deserve it

What I stated is fact and Obviously

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH

guess the real question that needs to be answered is, was he selling these guns, as a dealer, without a firearms license. Otherwise, did he pose a threat to anyone?

Pretty much depends on who he was selling guns to. If he is not too particular about obeying the law regarding keeping his business license in force, I suspect he wasn't too particular about not selling guns to the mentally ill and convicted felons.

I have several friends with more weapons.... that is NOT the issue here..... shoes, baseball cards, firearms.... makes NO DIFFERENCE....

What did he DO WRONG?

He had handguns without the proper licensing... that is illegal under NY law....

He did not have ANY ILLEGAL firearms.... the firearms are ALL legal.....

AND THIS JUST IN FOLKS

Looks like little Mussolini Como's gun law is in trouble

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - The New York affiliate of the National Rifle Association, joined by sportsmen's groups, firearms businesses and individual gun owners, has filed a lawsuit in federal court seeking an injunction to stop the state's new gun control law.

The suit claims the law violates New Yorkers' Second Amendment rights.

The suit, filed Thursday in Buffalo, says the statute enacted Jan. 15 infringes on the right of law-abiding citizens to keep "commonly possessed" guns in the home for family defense and other legal purposes.

The law, pushed through by Gov. Andrew Cuomo, was the first in the nation and came a month after the Dec. 14. Connecticut school massacre.

It tightens the definition of illegal "assault weapons" to include some popular and formerly legal semi-automatic rifles and requires registration of older guns.

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Harold of the Rocks - I neither know nor care what your views may be on gun control. I just want to say thank-you, thank-you, thank-you, for starting this thread off on some other subject than gun control.

The incompetence of the modern media is always worth mentioning.

ONce again, thank-you.

I think when they said "illegal" they meant stolen property. As in he might have been selling or is selling stolen guns. Worth getting that activity off the street is it not?

Just further proof that strict gun laws mean nothing to criminals. They will find a way to obtain them no matter what. And more proof that MSNBC is yet again pushing it's anti-gun rights agenda. I thought journalists were supposed to remain professional and unbiased. Whatever happened to that?

Interesting:

A former Gun Dealer will likely have inventory remaining after his license expired. That inventory legally becomes his personal property after the term of his licensure ends. That's pretty simple.

The news story is reportng them as "illegal guns", but I'll bet that will change as more facts emerge.

I would be more interested in knowing the details of the individual that "tipped" the police to this. Disgruntled collector that felt jilted in a private party transaction? Former employee? Who knows, the news story has no facts on this.

Now, the post that "he had more forepower that the detectived that arrested him" is just plain inflamatory reporting. Anyone with a common deer rifle has more firepower that a NYPD Detective. Look up the definition of firepower and that will be quite obvious.

Finally, for the poster that is worried about a house exploding in a fire due to stored small arms ammunition... you simply are wrong. Study after study has been done on this subject and in every case, a household fire will melt the projectile exposing the power to open flame causing it to burn, but it does not explode. Smokless Powder does not explode as it's engineered to burn and create large volumes of gas. If the cartridge is not in a firearm chamber, the cartridge case is not strong enough to serve as a pressure vessle and contain the gas to a point where it can do any damage other than burn. Seriously, google is your friend when you want to know stuff like this.

Overall, more facts are needed before the truth will be known.

@420 Frees the mind.

Ok, i'll bite. Here is Benjamin franklin while he was the editor of the Pennsylvania Gazette

What do you make of his interpretation of Militia?

"The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people."
The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

For some reason beyond me, as I don't know why politics enter into a comment section on an article like this one. It is not about politics. It is however about a man who had a federal firearms license that expired still owning 300 firearms. As for the pistols they said were illegal in the article I could identify one that was definitely illegal as it had a silencer on it. Those are against the law and you cannot obtain a license to own one. Having the firearms license the pistols may have been legally purchased at which point when he let the license expire they would still be legal. He would not have needed to obtain a permit to own them as he was and still is the technical owner of those arms.

As for most of the first 10 or so comments I wonder if any of you read the article or just skimmed it. Your comments would suggest the latter.

For the ones who posted about the number of arms owned by the man in the article I have no problem with 300 in his possession. At one time I also had a federal firearms dealers license. When my license expired I had several arms left. They were a Winchester model 12 - 16ga shotgun, Colt AR-15S rifle, Ruger model 1, 22 caliber rifle, Browning grade 1, 22 caliber take down rifle, M-1 Garrand 30-06 semi-automatic rifle, Model 51-A1 S&W - 38 caliber Target Master, Ruger Single six convertible 22 caliber with a 9 1/2"barrel, High Standard Supermatic Trophy 22 caliber with 5 1/2 bull barrel, S&W K-22 with 6" barrel, Colt 1917 service revolver 45 caliber, Rand manufacture Colt 1911A1 - 45 caliber semiautomatic military pistol. I never posed a threat to anyone because I owned those arms. I did however enjoy taking them to an abandoned rock quarry on weekends with my brothers and friends to shoot at coke and beer cans or any other target available. Never was a person a target of opportunity. I served 6 years in the United States Marine Corp and love to shoot.

It isn't the person who has many firearms you have to fear but the man with an unstable mind and one weapon at his disposal or the gangbanger who is territorial or a drug dealer. For most part 99.99999% of gun owners are safe if they are not criminally involved.

Letting a business licence expire hardly makes someone a hard core criminal. Anyway, the second amendment doesn't limit the number of guns a person can have any more than the first amendment limits the ammount of speach you are allowed.

wireman-1399628

Some of you have reading comprehension problems. You missed the "thousands of rounds of ammunition" part.

When ammuntion is sold in bulk to keep costs down, it's not uncommon to have "thousands of rounds of ammunition" in your possession. This would certainly apply to a former dealer as well as a private citizen. There is no law prohibiting purchasing or possessing ammuntion in any quantity. I've purchased 5,000 round crates of 22LR ammo in the past and donated them to my local gun club's youth shooting programs in the past. It's not a big deal like MSNBC is making it out to be.

@420 Frees the MInd

I suggest you check your history and read the Federal Papers. The word Militia is not to be confused with Military. Has nothing to do with the Military at all. The rights of the PEOPLE shall not be infringed. It was written for the people to keep and bear arms against a tyranical government as well as foreign enemies. There was no "military" at this time, just people like me, true Americans, who defended our country against the tyranny of England.

You tell everyone that they can't interpret the 2nd Amendment in any way unless it is the way you think it should be.

Maybe you forgot about the SCOTUS ruling in favor of Americans rights to keep and bear arms, and this has been in the last 5 years.

its late in the day and a lot of people on this thread seem kinda drunk..... but I gotta say the crazier posts are by far the anti-gun people......

Eric-913730 Comment collapsed by the community

Would you want to live next door to someone with 300 guns? Not me.

I'd rather live next to him than you.

Yes, this man was such a huge threat that the cops walked into this house confiscated 300 guns and none of them were injured, killed or threatened......

As a registered Democrat and gun owner, I've mostly stopped commenting on anti-gun stories. But I would like to point out in the lower left corner of the photo is what appears to be an AR-15 "upper" receiver. The "upper" is not considered a firearm, and is not required to be registered. The trigger assembly / lower part is the part considered the firearm. It makes me wonder how many non-firearm pieces parts he had that were counted toward the reported 300 guns.

and the libtards make fun of Fox news?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Typical libtards .. blind to what is right in front of their face!!

Oh and if anyone can answer.. exactly how many break-ins and robberies were attempted against this person in his home?

PR-ABSOLUTELY I want to live next door to a guy that has 300 guns. That is the safest neighborhood to live in right there.

Me too.That way if I ever want to go on a killing spree,start robbing,or just need extra money.All I need to do is,A. Knock him on the head and take them. Or,B. wait till he's gone from the house,and burglarize it. (sarcasm)

"I'm comfortable with a gun or two, and a rifle here or there, but 300?"

The guy has only two hands - at most. Your future instability argument only amplifies your true desire for zero guns and that repetition simply closes doors.

On the brighter side, with the non-ban, so many speculators will be stuck with guns they can't sell for a dollar and a half.

"@Probusiness, and what if that guy with 300 guns that lives next to you becomes mentally ill?"

What do you mean - WHAT IF? He lives in New York, so that proves he's not wrapped too tight.

It is actually not illegal to own a silencer. You just have to jump through a lot of hoops with regards to the government to own one. I went to the range last weekend and there were some young, Texas Aggies trying out their silencer.

If he was a gun dealer he had the right to his guns and if it is expired he was not selling according to the article. He had already been finger printed and went through background check and was legal at the time of his license. This is more of the government coming for guns and as far as illegal it might be illegal now but, he probably had bought it legally with his license. I think the police is wrong and therefore he should have not been arrested, I hope the police get sued for invasion of privacy laws and that it goes to court against bloomfield and the state of New York and the City of New York and I hope they get their asses sued and the city pays big time... for removing the 2nd amendment rights of this individual. He was not doing anything wrong and he was not selling and according to the report he was not shooting anyone. I believe the police was wrong and I do believe the lawyers will reap a big reward for violating personal rights.

RepublicansForObama-6186389, I am but run through, you have slayed me with such rapier wit. The "snitch line you speak of seriously sounds much akin to that of the nazi ss (lower case purposely). It is one thing to report illegal activity, much different than neighbor telling on neighbor out of fear of some government.

Mr. Obama is only the president, he has no power to pass legislation, only veto or sign into law, read Article I of the constitution. Also no person serving in any position in the federal government may take a title of nobility, in your case deifying him, that is wrong on so many levels, I do not normally say things like this, but seriously dude, you need to go back on your meds and watch more Tom and Jerry.

To those who say they want to live next door to the guy with 300 guns; did it ever occur to you that, without a license, he could be a black market dealer, bringing all kinds of criminal elements into your neighborhood?

I love how almost everyone is ignoring RepublicansForObama. Its driving him nuts LMFAO. So much so that he had to post 2 more times to try to draw attention to his previous posts lol.

I think RepublicansForObama is quite funny and on the money. I love sarcasm. And it does seem that those who voted for Barry see him as some kind of savior. So sad.

Yearight -- He already passed background checks and was fingerprinted by the FBI because you cannot be a FFL unless you do that. He was not shooting someone, nor was he a black market dealer, the guns were in his possession and most people who are black market dealers will not have the guns in their homes. So you need to rethink your thoughts because it is not plausible and your just grasping after straws to blame this guy. He is legal all the way.

I just don't get it. Must be a slow news day. The POTUS is talking to the Palestinians. Must be no news there either.

There has to be more to it than the quantity of firearms. MSNBC has their own adgenda to put fear into the mindless liberals. (not too difficult a task according to some of the posts above)

I have read everything from fear mongering to racist remarks in the posts above. Why can't these posters just stick with the facts from the article. Post their point of view and move on without trying to start scat with someone else? Those posting for the sake of creating animosity between themselves and others is getting out of control.

sooooo, let me get this straight: the NRA apologists say that we don't need more gun laws, we simply need to enforce the laws we have. Then gee, some cops enforce the laws.......and the NRA apologists STILL complain. *rolls eyes*

an awful lot of you are so sure you know all the facts here, and you're too busy frothing at the mouth to consider this:

"Police were acting on a tip from a gun owner who had taken his weapon to Steiner",

a gun owner turned him in. clearly he saw or heard something that made him suspicious

Steiner had 85 illegal handguns--he had no pistol license. That means he broke the law! doh!

so, the fact that you complain when current gun laws are being enforced means that you are either lying when you say we need to enforce the current laws, or you're completely irrational.

I'll wait till I see the list of the "illegal weapons." (Notice that they have all the nasty black ones in the front for dramatic effect?)

I also note the comment that Steinner had "no pistol permits" and "85 handguns."

Wanna bet that all the "illegal guns" are the 85 pistols with no permit?

Poor guy, what a dilemma. You lost your FFL in 2004 and you have 85 handguns in your inventory. The BATFE will NOT tell how many you can sell a year without an FFL. Rule of thumb in the industry is that if you sell between 8-12 a year you'd best have an FFL as the BATFE considers you being in the gun business. There was no way he could sell without being considered being "in business" by the Feds.

OTOH, maybe he's just a collector and kept the guns he liked. So what did he do, shoot someone? Wave guns at the kids at the bus stop. No he lived quietly, enjoyed his hobby and his neighbors didn't have a clue. GREAT BIG CRIMINAL THERE.

I think the police up there have enough to do catching violent criminals rather than the tecnical fouls of some guy with more guns that the government likes him to have.

And HELL 300 guns aren't an 'arsenal' its barely a half decent 'armory.' Then there is the unrelated "around the corner from a high school" comment! What the hell does that have to do with the story? Good grief, these biased jerks don't miss a trick do they.

Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis tel

"A sword never kills anyone, it is the person holding the sword
that kills." --Seneca (the younger) ... c. 60 BC

This NY resident was probably a Democrat... the majority of NY residents are.

This felon was probably a Democrat... nearly 100% of all felons are.

Oh, by the way, if he purchased the weapons while his license was still current... well you can guess the rest right?

I don't see why the person would be afraid that he had 300 guns. The guy used to be a dealer. Not to mention, the average person can only shoot two guns at once. :/?

Love sonnet- there is no such thing as a silencer. It is called a suppressor and in a majority of the states you can own one with a federal tax stamp.

I still don't see where any law/laws were broken. None of the guns were illegal or on any ban list. So i guy brings a gun to this guy, and that justify's the government to come raid your home? What a load of crap this story is. For you liberal morons, having only one gun doesn't make you any less a threat than the guy with three hundred. One bullet will kill you just fine.

@Eric,

Would you want to live next door to someone with 300 guns? Not me.

I'm comfortable with a gun or two, and a rifle here or there, but 300?

So if he's not a danger now and he becomes one later, then what?

Seriously? How can you possibly use that as a valid point of contention? It's a hypothesis based on an unrealistic theory. What if....what if....what if? It seems a paranoid way of thinking. What if you yourself became a danger at some point in time? And how can you say that you wont? See what Im saying?

(1)...For those who are saying MSNBC is "fueling" this...the story was in EVERY NY Paper, & ABC, CBS & FOX TV

300 guns and ammunition from a Long Island home operating as an illegal gunsmith business.

Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota said Thursday that most of the recovered guns were not locked away. He said they were found in various rooms of the house and in an unlocked attic.

He said investigators also retrieved five loaded handguns from an unlocked dresser in the owner's master bedroom.

Spota said the Suffolk County Crime Lab this week completed testing on many of the handguns.

The home's owner, Jay Steiner, was charged with criminal possession of a weapon. He is free on $25,000 bail.

The district attorney said the house is within 300 feet of Centereach High School.

By reading the story, it is clearly eveident that Mr. Spota is a COP. althou the author has CLEARLY left that info out of the story. So should i believe Mr. Spota was just some guy that brought this man a weapon, yet he was allowed to stand infront of a table of "seized" guns? also, read the last sentence, how does Spota know the man had no license for the hand guns? This is liberal reporting, and as usual, it's just filled with holes and is always inaccurate. By the way, for the rest of us Americans who can count, the total comes to 315 guns, not 300. Learn some journalism 101 before writing a crappy story.

@speak,

By reading the story, it is clearly eveident that Mr. Spota is a COP. althou the author has CLEARLY left that info out of the story.

Police were acting on a tip from a gun owner who had taken his weapon to Steiner, said Suffolk District Attorney Thomas Spota.

Spota is the D.A. of Suffolk County. Not 'just some guy'.

What is needed is every time MSN/NBC/etc puts an article like this up, someone links an article about a person using a firearm to save a life or protect him/herself or another...So here is one from Texas I found after a google search

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video/video-tx-homeowner-get-into-gun-fight-with-2-heavily-armed-home-invaders-and-win/

"I'm not going to lay down, and play dead(on the assualt weapons ban)"...No one is asking you to play at it....

Dont feed the Trolls!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1xvfrch3TY

This isn't a wooded area for shooting deer.....

Here is the LOCAL NEWS TV REPORT

Claiming you see nothing odd about this is very disturbing.

@haggisbingo-2225582

Stupid F--king gun lobby and NRA.... haggisbingo-2225582

See. I fixed it for you!! Absolutely NO need to thank me. I understand your mental health issue.

tdj1,

As you already know, the truth is always the first thing to be lost in one of these circumstances.

If this former gun dealer did no illegal selling or buying since his seller's license expired, he just another person who owns a lot of guns. Soooooo what! Right?

Remember, the anti-gun folks have to show their supporters that they are doing something about bad gun owners out there. This guy fits their narrative quite well.

I could care less if he had 3,000 guns in his house. As long as no one is shot illegally with one of those guns no bad done.

I hope the guy did nothing wrong so that the city will get poked in the eye by the courts.

Frozencarbonite

Many of you apparently can't read. It says "An arsenal of more than 300 guns, many of them ILLEGAL" Isn't this what you NRA gun enthusiasts keep bitching should happen? I have heard ad nauseum that we don't need more gun laws we just need to enforce the laws on the books. Here you go but you are still not satisfied I guess.

#1.54

and this is MSNBC, pardon me for being skeptical

An arsenal of more than 300 guns, many of them illegal,

I am not going to take the word of these idiots here at MSNBC that these guns are "ILLEGAL". What makes them "ILLEGAL"? other than he apparently didn't have the proper paper work for them? And if you paid attention to my post you would have seen that I pointed this out. And if this is only clerical BS, what is this "ARSENAL" $h!t? It is a gun collection. (and a small one at that compared to some that I have seen)

Let's compare, someone forgets to renew their drivers license, does that mean they are to be arrested, the car confiscated, etc? Or is it a fine, and a "Get your license up to date, Ok?" kind of deal?

Then it goes on to say:

In all, 85 illegal handguns and 230 rifles and shotguns were found,

This gives the impression that all the guns were illegal even though it says

Steiner had no pistol license for any of the handguns, according to Spota.

So, since this is NY, is a person is required to have a license for each gun? or is an FFL required to have handguns?

All I know is this is a piss poor excuse for journalism. I have so many more questions than they even started giving answers.

You worthless liberals call us gun and 2nd Amendment supporters Paranoid, but here is a prime example of the left's Paranoia, is there any indication here, that this guy was going to do anything with those guns? Not from this article. Just the simple fact that he had "300" guns, you all have already convicted this guy of being a terrorist.

but here is a prime example of the left's Paranoia, is there any indication here, that this guy was going to do anything with those guns? Not from this article.

THANK YOU FarmBoy!!

Point 1: The headline should have read more like.... Another tyranical raid on an American citizen.

Point 2: Are NY residents part of US of America? If they are why does the constitution not apply to them? Gun rights, illegal search and seizure.

Point 3: If this man, age 66 yes 66,( meaning lived a full gun filled life without incident ) proves to be a retired gun dealer without incident. What happeens to these violators of the constitution. these violations seem to be a much larger crime than owning guns with an expired license.

OH MY GOD, 300 guns, horrible, must be a mad man;

or, a former firearms dealer that went out of business and kept his un sold inventory; If none of the guns are illegal or stolen, where the hell is the crime?

Whos authorizing these raids? Yesterdays raid based on a kid in a facebook pic and now this one. Jurors need to take the power back and vote NOT Guilty. Thats one way to take this country back on jury at a time.

Freakin' UNBELIEVABLE

So anxious to GUESS on what happened..not one of you posters bothered to look beyond your own agenda to research the story.

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Which one of you lives in that neighborhood?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1xvfrch3TY

All your opinions add up to....zip.

@RIMom,

Are you referring to my post #1.106? If so, please explain. And, as an FYI, my opinion is equal to yours. You are aware of that, correct?

RI Mom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1xvfrch3TY

This isn't a wooded area for shooting deer.....

Here is the LOCAL NEWS TV REPORT

Claiming you see nothing odd about this is very disturbing.

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First off, the distance to the school is irrelevant, especially if Stiener was in residence there before the school was built or any laws or ordinances were passed specifying a distance to a school. And man, what a bunch of liberal hype, the reporting was disgusting, incomplete and one sided, fear mongering emotionally charged drivel.

I have posted this on other vines, but it is good example here:

30 years ago, I was in High School, 4A school, about 500 hundred students, with an attached Jr Hr, of about 250 more. You could walk across the street to the parking lot, at during the hunting seasons, and count perhaps a minimum of 100 .22s, Shotguns, High power Rifles, and Hand guns of various flavors. I usually had a .22 bolt action and a pump shotgun, or pump shotgun and pump .30-'06. And never once was any of them used for anything, but there intended purpose. Oh yeah, there were fist to cuffs, but no one ever contemplated going to their car or truck and getting a gun to settle an argument.

When I was 12 or 13, I routinely took my single shot .410 shotgun (on the bus, lived on a farm, Obviously) to school, and on a different bus, to a friend’s home. And we would spend the weekend hunting.

WHAT HAS CHANGED IN 30 YEARS??!!

And what are the requirements about storing guns in NY? Is it a law all guns must be secured in a safe? And if there is no requirement, then why are all the reporters emphasizing the guns were everywhere in the house, some of them loaded,(again, is having a loaded gun in one's house illegal in NY?) if they were not fear mongering?

I found this, but again, there is no reporting on the requirements to be a gunsmith or operate a business out of one's home in NY.

Steiner's attorney, William Eppig, says his client is a retired, federally licensed gun dealer who collects and repairs guns as a hobby. Eppig added that some of the weapons were antiques and were mostly leftover inventory from when he legally sold guns out of his Tree Road home. {longisland.news12.com/news/more-than-300-guns-seized-from-tree-road-home-in-centereach-1.4517349?firstfree=yes}

And the fact that you find anything disturbing about this other than abuse of Government powers, disturbs me.

And from the looks of things, I doubt he could afford enough safes, let alone have enough room to house all of them.

honestdebate

here is a concept for you, if you think that msn always has a agenda then don't come here. They do in fact have an agenda, its making money. And these article never cease to stop you complainers from coming here to cry. They get paid if you like or hate the article, its clicks not likes they are after. You luck the old lady up the road putting out food for the cats then wondering why they keep showing up all the time.

@ Eric-913730

Would you want to live next door to someone with 300 guns? Not me.

I'm comfortable with a gun or two, and a rifle here or there, but 300?

So if he's not a danger now and he becomes one later, then what?

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Again with the paranoia, what it the difference between a couple guns or 300 hundred have to do with anything. If he becomes a danger he can only handle one or two guns at a time anyway so what is the difference? And you obviously have never been around a gun collector.

And yeah, a guy like that probably knows a lot about guns, enjoys shooting them, I would gladly have him as a neighbor. He is most likely the type that would keep an eye on my property while I am gone.

Investigators said Steiner had once held a federal gun license, permitting him to buy and sell weapons, but it expired in 2004.

So now the person was not a legal gun dealer but,

Police were acting on a tip from a gun owner who had taken his weapon to Steiner, said Suffolk District Attorney Thomas Spota

The detectives visited the home after receiving information of a probable illegal sale.

Law abiding citizen?

In all, 85 illegal handguns and 230 rifles and shotguns were found,

not at all. The man had illegal possession and control over not one, but 85 illegal handguns. This is the type of person new laws are being created to put them out of business. If it turns out any of the illegal weapons were used to commit crimes, then the charges should also reflect it as well as the sentencing.

Dear Dumb

Suffolk County gun laws.... go look it up yourself........ I've had it with your previous "ignorant" comments about me.

Anyone with 300 guns "can't afford" something.... uhhhh.... there was a solution.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=9035685

You are claiming to be superior in knowledge (from your happy home in Kansas) than the Suffolk County District Attorney...such hubris!

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=9035685

Trust me, the next door neighbors & parents of the kids at the school don't give a NY minute about your theories.

But... they probably wish HE DID live next door to you.

BTW: YEP ABC video.... .. so all that nonsense about MSN...phhhht.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf
"Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment. We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001), the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding."."

The bastard who turned him in should be tarred and feather and should lose his job and be sued for this whole ordeal...

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Is that you Wayne? Is tdji your new alias?

The guy had taken his gun to be repaired...and after several attempts to get it back, he called the police for help to get it BACK.

Look it up...it's in the local NY papers. BTW... maybe where you live, they tar & feather...but not in NY.

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Sorry American Defender9...your post was confusing.

@ RI Mom

Freakin' UNBELIEVABLE

So anxious to GUESS on what happened..not one of you posters bothered to look beyond your own agenda to research the story.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1xvfrch3TY

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Here we go again, you spouting off your ignorance. Do you ever get tired of being wrong? or stupid? I guess ignorance is bliss, for you are truly the most blissful person I have had the misfortune to encounter.

Yes, I Googled the guys name after the first post I made. If you'll notice, I was only referencing this article in my post at 1.105.

You will also notice that I posted a quote from the least biased source I could find. But the only reports I could find were copies of this story here.

And as I said, I would gladly live in this neighborhood and get away from your key board, go to a local gun range and meet some the nicest, hospitable, helpful people you will ever meet, gun owners.

Would you want to live next door to someone with 300 guns

Sure. Why not? It's not like they're going to all go off at once. You're probably safer living next door to him than most other people.

Sorry one and only, but obviously you just don't get it. People don't kill people, guns kill people, and when those 300 guns next door all decide that your number is up, you're screwed. The libs believe this, why can't you? (or I?)

THE GUN NUTS FIND THIS OH SO INCONVENIENT!

His license to sell EXPIRED NINE years ago, not a few months

and the guns he had included 85 ILLEGAL handguns.

Plus hundreds of rifles and shotguns (No detail on which were illegal on those)

THOUSANDS of BULLETS

THis is not leftover inventory, that many guns he would have disposed of before his license expired, a lot of money in that many guns. ANd he was still using a business card IDing him as a gun dealer and giving the expired license number.

He is obviously selling illegal guns The tip came from a gun owner who went to his house...and you can bet he did not go over for a cup of coffee.

So quit trying to spin it Gun Nuts..we are on to you.

By reading the story, it is clearly eveident that Mr. Spota is a COP. althou the author has CLEARLY left that info out of the story

speakthetruth, you clearly have to improve your reading comprehension. from the very article:

Police were acting on a tip from a gun owner who had taken his weapon to Steiner, said Suffolk District Attorney Thomas Spota.

Steve, didn't make it past the title huh? MANY OF THE GUNS WERE ILLEGAL! That's what he did wrong.

You same people who say he did nothing wrong, even though it flat says many of the guns were illegal, are the same ones who say "Illegal immigrant is illegal, meaning against the law". Hypocrites.

Well lets put it this way I see this wonderful network is still putting their usual spin to the story, when are they going to realize that they are still a viewed as a bunch of bafoons..

I have seen better writtin pieces composed by 3rd graders..

only in new york.........figures

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He wasn't just holding leftover inventory, from when he was a dealer. He had a stockpile of the kits used to convert a semi-automatic AR15 to full automatic. He was operating as a gunsmith and making those conversions, for his customers, illegally. He was probably also selling semi- autos and offering to convert them to full auto for a little more money. I doubt he was doing background checks. I surmise that the person who turned him in was offered such an upgrade on the gun he brought to what he originally thought was an aboveboard gunsmith. Knowing he had just been offered an illegal deal, he thought he'd better tell somebody.

Personally, I have friends and family who own so called "assault" weapons. I believe they are guaranteed by the second amendment. The amendment is written in an older form of English, but, if you pay attention to grammar and punctuation, the modern version would read as follows, or close to it..

Because we need to be able to form militias, for domestic and community protection, every aw abiding citizen needs to have the right to keep and bear firearms that can be used for said protection, should the need arise. Without militarily armed citizens, there would be no one equipped to join in forming a militia, when needed.

As far as I'm concerned the second amendment says we can have machine guns and grenade launchers and Light Antitank Weapons in our closets, like the Swiss. However, that doesn't mean no background checks should be required.

Like was stated several times it's New YOrk almost all personal firearm owownership is illegal with out all kinds of government red tape and heaven forbid if you want a handgun. It's still no excuse for ignoring the law even if it's unconstitutional but that's why I would never live in a place that is run like the third Riech. For example I use to belong to a Civil War reenactment group that was asked to attend an event back in 1979/80 and we were told we couldn't even bring our black powder pistols across the state line without fear of prosecution. Now on a differn't note if he was dealing in illegal firearms I do believe in him being prosecuted for this. As usual on NBC too many hole in this sorry

What happened to NO MORE GUN LAWS...JUST ENFORCE THE ONES WE HAVE

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Well, the D.A. is enforcing it.

Hey # 1.43 Witchking... you posted a debunked circulating e-mail...and got a pile of thumbs up from equally gullible posters. That drivel proves mental deficiency... be careful!

So... how about NO ONE gets a gun permit unless they pass reading comprehension (ooops...there goes all the arrogant gun posters).

roncombatvet - you were raped by your uncle as a child werent you. you are nothing more than an internet warrior who couldnt fight his way out of a wet paperbag.

Witchking "The real problem are liberals."

Actually the real problem is getting your "facts" from those troll-mails passed around without checking credibility. For example, the Virginia Tech shooter was a Korean National and not eligible to vote. Not eligible to vote means not eligible to register to vote as democrat or republican. Aurora shooter was not part of the OWS or Obama campaign. Connecticut shooter was not registered. And it goes on. All you've proved is you're gullible ... and have some problems with subject/verb agreement.

RI Mom

Dear Dumb

Suffolk County gun laws.... go look it up yourself........ I've had it with your previous "ignorant" comments about me.

Anyone with 300 guns "can't afford" something.... uhhhh.... there was a solution.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=9035685

You are claiming to be superior in knowledge (from your happy home in Kansas) than the Suffolk County District Attorney...such hubris!

Trust me, the next door neighbors & parents of the kids at the school don't give a NY minute about your theories.

But... they probably wish HE DID live next door to you.

BTW: YEP ABC video.... .. so all that nonsense about MSN...phhhht.

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OMG REALLY?! The video from ABC is just as bad as the one from the local reporter's fear mongering, emotional drivel. Where are the facts? Are you really impressed by this reporting?

Isn't that why we have the "Press" to do that work for us? Tell us the whole story? Instead of giving us this agenda driven Propaganda? Why should I be left with questions? A good journalist will try and anticipate questions and get the answers. I don't see that happening here.

The Suffolk County DA has a "no gun" agenda, plain as day.
DA- "He should not have had those guns", but fails to give an answer why. Why shouldn't he have had those guns? He was a dealer at one time and as his lawyer pointed out this was only left over "inventory". The only law I have seen reported being broken is that he didn't have a state required permit to own handguns, so maybe he shouldn't have "had those guns", but to confiscate all of them?. This is a clerical issue, which seems to have been blown way out of proportion by the liberal media. Like I said, how is this different than letting your driver license lapse momentarily? Yeah, you get a citation, told to remedy the situation. One is not treated like a criminal, or a terrorist.
Granted being a former dealer he should have known the regulations, but seriously, what crime was committed here other than failing to file some paper work?

DA- "The way he stored those guns is shocking", perhaps, but was it illegal? If it doesn't deal directly with the case or if it is not illegal, then the DA should say nothing about it. This guy is only spouting opinion, his personal beliefs, which should not be in the DA's purview.

All the reports you have shown are nothing more than hype, propaganda and fear mongering.

And Yes, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, are all left leaning, biased junk news stations, and I learned that in 1979. CNN used to be pretty decent, but after the fame and glory they earned during Desert Storm, the have gone liberal. The only reason you can't see the tilt is because you lean the same way.

And until you show some knowledge on the subject, and not just a bunch of emotionally compromised, knee jerk hysteria, I will continue to call you ignorant.

Love how all you dumbass gun nuts conveniently have over looked something in the pic....Even if the other 299 other guns were all legal and he had a vendor license even type 3 that one little SILENCED MACH 10 laying on that table there is enough for 30yrs to life... NO ONE has the right to own a full on auto SILENCED weapon....ya see silencers have been illegal for the past few decades and they carry a mandatory sentence...Yeah gun nuts see nothing wrong here! They think it was probably just for hunting! freaking fools...

Eric,

Someone with 300 guns scares you but your are ok with someone having a couple of guns? How many guns do you think a person can fire at a time? It's like being scared to swim in water 300 feet deep but being okay to swim in water 10 feet deep; it's an irrational fear.

Term1,

You are wrong.

NO ONE has the right to own a full on auto SILENCED weapon

With a class III license a person may own a fully automatic weapon. Contrary to popular belief, silencers are not now nor have they ever been illegal under Federal law. Do some research before you post your ignorant opinions.

This thread is hysterical. Had a bad week so far, but the loony talk made me smile. Thanks.

@Term,

Suppressors...not silencers (hollywood)....are legal in some jurisdictions with the appropriate Federal Class III licenseship. So yes....people do have a RIGHT to own suppressors, as per Federal Law. Don't like it....do something about it.

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Would you want to live next door to someone with 300 guns? Not me.

I'm comfortable with a gun or two, and a rifle here or there, but 300?

So if he's not a danger now and he becomes one later, then what?

I would want this man for a neighbor when the Sh*t hit the fan.

@Ron,

Ha.....Ya beat me to it.

Um I think the issue is that they the guns and ammo were just scattered around his house.
I'm glad that the feds found his stash before someone else did. Most guns in the crime circuit
are stolen from legal owners. This place was a gold mine.

Buy a gun and be responsible for it, or don't own guns. They're like dogs. You are responsible for them.
This guy could have armed a whole platoon of wack job/ thug/ nut-cases

@ Term1

Love how all you dumbass gun nuts conveniently have over looked something in the pic....Even if the other 299 other guns were all legal and he had a vendor license even type 3 that one little SILENCED MACH 10 laying on that table there is enough for 30yrs to life... NO ONE has the right to own a full on auto SILENCED weapon....ya see silencers have been illegal for the past few decades and they carry a mandatory sentence...Yeah gun nuts see nothing wrong here! They think it was probably just for hunting! freaking fools...

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there is on old proverb you should pay heed to, "It is best to remain silent and be thought stupid, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

Yes I saw the Mac 10, and if you knew even a single iota about firearms you would know that it is a "simulated suppressor" solely used for cosmetic purposes other than operate as a barrel shield or perhaps as a flash suppressor. They are available (or they were before this stupidity started) from a variety of "accessory" vendors. (Google FTF Industries for one) It may be possible it is a real suppressor, (it is hard to tell from a picture) but it is not very probable, given the size of the orifice at the end of the "suppressor" tube.

The rest of the crowd here already pointed out that if you have the money, you can still buy automatic and suppressed firearms. For $5000 to $10,000 (plus transfer fees) you can even buy a real MAC 10. And if you have a $100k you can even buy a real Tommy gun.

So who exactly is the "Dumb ass"? You know if you Liberal anti gun types knew anything about guns, it would be much easier having a rational discussion on how to prevent things like Sandy Hook, and lower crime rates, but it is like talking to a brick wall with you people. (and just as useful)

2 points for love sonnet - for spotting the illegal silencer. Makes me think some gun supporters don't even know what an illegal weapon looks like...argues first, seldom gathers the facts - yep, just the kind of people that logic tells me to listen too.

Which came first; the political party - or the killer? Some how I find it hard to imagine that any killer, first ponders their political beliefs, before they act...but then, people kill over self perceived love, so I guess anything is possible.

If my neighbor has a house fire - I would prefer that they only had enough ammo for 2 or 3 guns - not 300.

Private sellers account for most of the guns that go to Mexico - that is a problem - even a libtard and neo-con should be able to see that.

AmericanDefender9

@Term,

Suppressors...not silencers (hollywood)....are legal in some jurisdictions with the appropriate Federal Class III license-ship. So yes....people do have a RIGHT to own suppressors, as per Federal Law. Don't like it....do something about it.

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I guess it depends on the state, in Ks, you aren't required to have a class III. Just the usual BATF bs.

Hey Jp, I bet you couldnt tell the difference between an actual silencer and a piece of billet aluminum shaped like one, called a "dummy silencer". 2nd, being a firefighter, if you are worried about being hurt from ammunition in a house fire, you probably should keep your head away from a cup of water, you might drown from it (same thing).

3rd, what they do in mexico is THEIR problem. If their citizens were actually allowed to own firearms, and the government and Police were not corrupt, things wouldnt be the way they are.

Silencers are legal to possess, and buy, most states you have to have a license (in one you do not) figure that one out, your soooo smart. And just because this guy is supposedley doing something "illegal" in NY, just means its legal just about anywhere else.

I think I will have that "Big Gulp" now, dont want you or any other Newyorkers hurting yourself.

Sure sounds like they are trying to frame this guy and entrap him on a technicality.

A "supposed tip" tells cops this guy has a lot of guns.

The cops check and he doesn't have a bunch of pistol permits. (already and abuse of the stated purpose of the licensing law. The guy committed no crime and did nothing to warrant investigation)

They send an undercover cop to his home. I'd like to hear the premise he used to gain entry. "Hey a friend of mine said you used to be a dealer and a gun smith. I'm having a feeding problem with a gun. Could you take a look at it?" I would bet it was something just like that. Or maybe he pretended to be a utility worker or some other ruse.

So the undercover cop probably gets into some gun talk with the guy and he shows him at least one of his pistols. Maybe, the guy "helps" the undercover cop by fixing his gun. He offers the guy twenty bucks for his efforts and he accepts it. Hence the "illegal gunsmith charge".

Now, what are the odds that the undercover cop doesn't try to get the guy to sell him something? Can't believe the cop didn't try to get more on the guy beyond possession. But the guy won't sell him anything. (No charges of any improper sales)

So now they get a warrant for illegal possession of a pistol without a license. Raid the guy's house and confiscate his guns.

If the guy bought these guns legally as a FFL dealer, he legally possessed them. If the guy legally possessed the gun when his FFL expired, although technically his FFL exemption was no longer valid, I don't believe they can retro-actively make his possession illegal. The specific law talks about purchases and exempts legally possessed guns prior to the law. Laws are not supposed to be retro-active. This guy's possessions may or may not even technically be in violation under the most aggressive application of the law. All depends on when he bought them. It doesn't say how long he was a FFL dealer. He could possibly have owned these prior to the handgun licensing law. But even if he didn't, the probable fact that his once legal possession became illegal by no action of his own, goes against the intent and purpose of the law. From what I can see, there is a unique case here not covered by the law.

Now let's examine the tip and the investigation. Was it really a tip? And if anybody gives law enforcement a tip that somebody possesses a pistol, or 100, is that grounds for investigation? It is not like the guy encountered law enforcement in any way and some other issue brought them to finding the guns. So the mere fact that someone tips the cops that a person has possession of a pistol means they can be investigated? Again, this is not what the law was supposed to be about.

Another thing about that"tip". I struggle with just how accurate that tip was and who provided it. If you report that you say your neighbor with drugs, will they try to gain entry into his home to investgate him? Is just any old allegation worthy of such? If it is, we are all in trouble.

Now let's consider another possibility. If this guy legally purchased these guns from wholesalers or dealers, an ATF record exists on everyone of those transactions. Now if he were still in business, theoretically, the ATF wouldn't know that he still had them or legally sold them. But when a FFL dealer goes out of business, the ATF takes possession of all his records. Therefore the ATF knows he possesses thse guns. Nothing illegal about him owning them under Federal law. It used to be that only the ATF could access the ATF database for tracing a firearms crime. Any local agencies had to request this search and could only do so for the purposes of tracing a crime weapon. But that has changed. Now many agencies have direct access to the database. Technically, they are only allowed to use it to trace a crime weapon. But what if some over zealous person in either the ATF or the local NY authorities used the data base to discover that he still possessed these guns and saw a conflict with local NY laws? Good police work? No a direct violation of the gun laws.

I am willing to bet that the scenario I presented is pretty close to what happened here. If I am right, this is clearly an abuse of power and an abuse of the laws to entrap an otherwise law abiding citizen.

Now if this guy was engaged in any illegal sales or trafficking, he should be charged with that, but he wasn't. They give no indication that he was even suspected of that. If he illegally possessed any NFA weapons or devices, (ie. machine guns, silencers, etc.), they don't indicate he was charged with that. Depending on what class FFL he held, he could legally sell/transfer these and most likely purchased them with the legal tax a registration paperwork. All they did was suspect that he might be in possession of a handgun that wasn't licensed in the state. And that warrants law enforcement entering his home to investigate? Seems like they could too easily abuse an "anonymous tip" to investigate anybody. So all you folks without guns, who obviously don't have a license for the guns you don't possess, could be subject to investigation and police deceptively gaining entry to your home simply because you just might possess an illegal gun. For all we know, the undercover cop could have been posing as a utility employee or some other "undercover" persona.

If this guy can afford it, he can probably take his case all the way to the Supreme Court and win it. But most likely they will make some deal with him and keep all his guns. If it turns out that this guy was actually doing something wrong other than possession, which arguably may not really be a violation of law, I would gladly donate to his defense for legal fees.

So here's the telling question. Assume the scenario I painted is accurate. Do you think this is proper use of gun laws? I'm not talking about a technically legal application of law, but if it is a fair and proper use of the law.

If what I am suggesting is accurate, this is only proof that the fears of "gun rights nuts" are indeed justified.

Just joined the NRA (lifetime membership) last week. I had been on the fence about joining, because I don't like LaPierre much. He seems fake to me. Unfortunately, as an owner of many firearms and a California resident, I don't want to see the crippling limitations that are imposed on us in this state to become nationalized. Mandatory background checks I'm cool with, but the national registry that is part of the plan is not acceptable. Nor is an approved roster, banning standard capacity (30 round) magazines or banning assault-style weapons. I tell you that from personal experience.

$1000 for the membership wasn't that much for me and will at least help fight the people that are trying to strip away the rights of gun owners. Considering that there are over 4,500,000 members (200,000+ added every month now), I think it's fairly safe to say that the gun-grabbers have awoken a sleeping giant.

term; you just proved your ignorance!!! It is not illegal to own a silencer in the USA, It requires a $200 tax payment, a background check and some paperwork from the local Sheriff. I know because I own one!!!!!!

The Tech 9 you are talking about is also a totally legal firearm to own in the USA and they are not fully automatic!!! More lib dribble!!!!

If this guy really did have a bunch of stolen or illegal firearms then he needs to be punished for it but, the story makes it sound like every firearm was illegal and then it says that they are investigating whether they are or not!!!! Right now the only thing illegal is the handguns and that is because he did not have a license to own them. This is the typical lib propaganda to get the libs all riled up. The worse part is if it is proven that none of the firearms are stole or in any other way illegal do you think MSNB will report that??? I am willing to bet they will not because it does not fit into the agenda!!!

He was a gun dealer at one time and now he's not, what do you do with your inventory after you stop selling. You already paid for the guns if you haven't been fronted them by the gun manufacture which normally isn't the case. You buy them and then with your gun license turn around and sell them, because his license expired he was not able to sell them what is the problem here? If he wasn't selling them he wasn't breaking any laws or he wasn't breaking any laws for the rifles and shotguns the hand guns are a different story. It's a mandatory 1 year jail term if you get caught with a hand gun in New York or it used to be. 85 hand guns could get him 85 years in jail. That makes him an idiot. It would be nice if NBC would do a little more research and find out what he did before he got raided!

Since a human with 2 hands can only shoot 1 gun, a person with 300 guns is as dangerous as a person with 1 gun. And whats the law on pistols being licensed? What makes them illegal guns? Where are all these facts from? It must be because of Newtown, which no report has said yet a ar15 was used. Theres no facts backing up anything these people write, so I have to question the truth of anything in this article.

Since a human with 2 hands can only shoot 1 gun, a person with 300 guns is as dangerous as a person with 1 gun.

Your math is Most Special. Actually, a person with 2 hands can shoot 2 guns. I'm not saying they'll hit anything with the second gun, but math is math.

But I believe the fear is that this large number of unsecured guns could fall into other hands, either through burglary, sales, or simple carelessness.

JP Patches, obviously you need to quit smoking weed. You fried your brain.

1NewDay,

You put an awful lot of time into your huge piece of speculation. You are as bad as the liberal gun-grabber hysteria causing media.

Assume the scenario I painted is accurate

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Nope... you got it wrong. Irresponsible mouthing off....

1.146
Voice of the:
"jump to conclusions; Main Street Media is Nutz; I'm an expert on Constitutional Law; It's all the Mental bozos" crowd.

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But...you're in good company. Irrational gets a lot of thumbs with the paranoid and illiterate.

And you wonder why most Americans think YOUR gun 

Term1

Even if the other 299 other guns were all legal and he had a vendor license even type 3 that one little SILENCED MACH 10 laying on that table there is enough for 30yrs to life... NO ONE has the right to own a full on auto SILENCED weapon....

Term, just an FYI...
It's not a "MACH 10", it's a "MAC-10", with all the Spelling and Grammar nazis like RI Mom, running around I wouldn't want you to get attacked for improper terminology.

Now on to the rest of your comment...
You cannot actually tell from the picture if it is a "Fully Automatic" MAC-10, it could very well be the "Semi-Automatic Civilian version.
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Of course, as you mentioned the "Suppressor" (not "silencer") could be an issue.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect in your thinking:
Federal law also provides severe penalties for crimes of violence committed using firearms equipped with silencers: a minimum prison sentence of 30 years.

^ Not simply possession as you mentioned.

FYI: A citizen can own a fully auto MAC-10 with what is generally referred to as a Class 3 FFL.
Obviously, Steiner did not have this type of License.

RI Mom,

Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota said Thursday that most of the recovered guns were not locked away. He said they were found in various rooms of the house and in an unlocked attic.

He said investigators also retrieved five loaded handguns from an unlocked dresser in the owner's master bedroom.

I realize that you are quoting the article but why would you highlight meaningless quotes in your post? As far as I know, it's not a legal requirement to keep firearms unloaded and locked up in your home. Was he breaking the law by having unlicensed handguns and running a firearms business without a license? Absolutely. However, the way they were stored was not illegal, even though the tone of the article would lead a person to believe there was something illegal or menacing about it.

DumbFarmBoy
Yes I saw the Mac 10, and if you knew even a single iota about firearms you would know that it is a "simulated suppressor" solely used for cosmetic purposes other than operate as a barrel shield or perhaps as a flash suppressor. They are available (or they were before this stupidity started) from a variety of "accessory" vendors. (Google FTF Industries for one) It may be possible it is a real suppressor, (it is hard to tell from a picture) but it is not very probable, given the size of the orifice at the end of the "suppressor" tube.

Actually Dumb, it is most likely indeed a "real suppressor".
It looks to be the "revolutionary sound suppressor designed by Mitchell Werbell III of Sionics...
This uniquely shaped suppressor gave the MAC-10 a very distinctive look."

The big question is what MAC-10 that is, we don't know since it wasn't listed in the article.
It could be a Fully Auto Version or a Semi-Auto Version.
It might not even be a M-10, is could be an M-11 A1 or M-11/9 can't exactly tell the caliber from that terrible picture.

There's no doubt that there were issue's involving Steiner.
The question is how sever the issue's were.

Were they mere clerical errors or something much more than that?
We don't know and can't tell from just this article.

I reserve judgement.

Either way, he should have keep his Firearms locked up and not lying around the house.

Dear Ron B

Illegal business... with loaded guns... charged with criminal possession... in a school area

Apparently those words in the Long Island & NY papers; the ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS TV stations is just made up bull-poopy to the LaPierre cheerleaders.

The screaming FOUL.... PROTEST... by the usual suspects in Wayne's World ..... brought out all kind of defensive speculation.

It is absolutely inconceivable to many posters that a gun owner might be operating irresponsibly.

They are feeling abused, put-upon, defensive, wounded, angered....DAMN THAT D.A.

This story ANNOYED a lot of folks. DAMN those consequences of operating an illegal business.

Throughout America, States & Counties have different laws & restrictions. The comments from folks who have no clue where Centereach NY is located ....is baffling.

Will they trace some weapons to gun trafficking...straw sales.... ? Maybe yes, maybe no...and the article clearly says there is an INVESTIGATION.

" The guns are being examined to determine whether any have been stolen or used in crimes."

Sounds prudent to me. Sounds like the D.A. is doing his job.

Prudent Common Sense might question the wisdom of leaving loaded guns around. That's a LOT of BANG.

I'm amused by how so many posters felt insulted by this story and quickly blamed MSN.

Some, in an illiterate way, even stated a 3rd grader could have written it better.... as if that would have changed the content.

RI Mom,

It is absolutely inconceivable to many posters that a gun owner might be operating irresponsibly.

They are feeling abused, put-upon, defensive, wounded, angered....DAMN THAT D.A.

This story ANNOYED a lot of folks. DAMN those consequences of operating an illegal business.

I am a law abiding gun owner with a carry permit. I don't feel any of the things you mentioned in regards to the alleged illegal acts of the accused. If he's guilty then crucify him. My only problem was with the characterization that loaded and unlocked guns are some sort of problem. Locked and unloaded guns are useless for self defense during a home invasion.

Additionally,

§ 265.04 Criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the first
degree when such person:
(1) possesses any explosive substance with intent to use the same
unlawfully against the person or property of another; or
(2) possesses ten or more firearms.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree is a class B
felony.

From the NYS penal code. I had no idea that in NYS you are committing a felony by having 10 or more firearms. I know a number of gun enthusiasts and sportsmen who are unknowingly committing a felony.

I've only been back in NYS for about 9 months (I was raised here) and will be fleeing the over taxed nanny State in 2 months. I had been out of NYS for 20 years and plan on being gone for at least 20 more.

Lastly, why did they bring up that he lived near a school? Sensationalization. That fact was irrelevant. It is not unlawful to own a gun near a school. School property, not nearby properties, is supposed to be gun free.

The only facts the article needed to state was that there was a tip that this man was conducting an illegal gunsmithing operation out of his home in Centereach. They should certainly include the numbers of firearms confiscated and any charges filed but that's all. Unfortunately, that's not as attention grabbing as implying that the children at the nearby school may have been in danger from a man who had loaded guns in his home.

Ron..it's probably a good thing that you are leaving NY.

That way you won't have to look at the TV, Radio, Newspaper coverage that all mentioned the neighborhood & proximity to the school.

Just make assessments and critiques of the situation from far away.

I put two different TV videos up in earlier posts.... keep in mind, this was for the NY News viewers. Are you suggesting that they should have edited out the close location of nearby homes & schools?

DAMN.... they didn't tell the story YOUR way.

BTW: It wasn't a"tip"...it was a COMPLAINT from a guy who brought his gun in for repair, and after repeated attempts, couldn't get it back from Jay Steiner.

But if you keep crabbing & finding bits of posts that annoy you, you'll never get your packing done.

I'm sure Jay Steiner appreciates your support.....you owe him, because, unwittingly, your "responsible gun-ownership" is finally looking up the local laws.

Good for you.

Go f*** yourself, I never gave this guy my support in any of my posts. You must have missed the part where I stated they should crucify him if he's found guilty. Libtards like you would prefer to crucify him before there is a trial. I've only voiced my concern that the media is sensationalizing the story and introducing "facts" which have no bearing on the charge against him.

You would fit right in with the rest of the self satisfied pseudo-intellectual mind controlled libtards who seem to think NY is such a great place. It's no wonder that people have been leaving the State in droves.

RonB,

It did not take very long at all. Keep in mind that they took two months to put together their media presentation. The guy was arrested January 26th. Obviously they have already had a lot of time to investigate this. No federal charges though. Only charges of not having a handgun license and not having the appropriate business license. All the stuff about loaded guns and being close to a school are just fluff they stated to make him sound criminal, but as far as I can see, none of these were violations of law. The new law goes does have some secure storage language in it, but even that would be a stretch. I am not even sure that is even technically applicable yet. The new New York law is so convoluted and full of contradictions and ambiguities, who know hows they will interpret it? I am no lawyer, but after reading their new law and the cases being brought against it, I have little doubt that it will eventually be overturned. In the mean time, they will make life a living hell for law abiding legal gun owners who know stand to become criminals.

Am I speculating? Absolutely and I presented it as such. Since I posted that there is some additional information indicating I may not be so far off. Additionally the guy has stated that to his understanding, nothing he did was illegal. The guy was an FFL dealer, he has a pretty good idea of the laws. Clearly though they found some local laws to hammer him with. Did he make a mistake regarding his belief that he was completely legal? It looks like that might be the case. But shouldn't his intent have some bearing on his case? The DA's presentation was a media circus clearly staged to make a political point. What I saw was a demonstration of wasting enormous amounts of tax dollars to trap some guy who is of no consequence, instead of combating real crime. His presentation was full of opinions and hype which have no bearing on the legal issues surrounding this case.

My point is that to label this guy as a criminal is taking the laws and using them to create criminals where not act of criminality exist. Here is just one small piece of the NY laws pertaining to gunsmiths and handguns. http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/FOUR/W/400/400.00

The Suffolk County website says businesses require licenses and may need special permits but doesn't mention gunsmiths. They advise anyone wishing to start any type of business to consult their attorneys.

The unbelievable complex laws surrounding guns in New York State, and even worse in New York City pretty much make it such that anyone seeking to possess a weapon legally, ought to have a legal team of attorneys or they risk violating some obscure component of the laws.

If the intent of such laws, as is often stated, is target criminal use of guns and not target law abiding citizens, then why go after otherwise law abiding citizens for not being in 100% compliance with every little detail of the tens of thousands of words dedicated to describing these laws?

I won't argue that we do not know all the details surrounding this case and in fact I suppose it is possible that this guy was engaged in some nefarious activities involving guns. However, based on what they have charged him with, it appears that the best they can do is get him on what amounts to technicalities.

I am a Progressive but I can not support what many of my cohorts are trying to do with all these gunlaws. These laws are not about keeping guns from criminals but are about making law abiding citizens into criminals. In my opinion, what is being done in New York amounts to the same kind of ridiculous laws in some red states regarding legal abortions. In both cases these are laws clearly designed to suppress people's rights. Make it so difficult , complex and invasive that no person with any common sense would even consider exercising their Constitutional rights for fear of being prosecuted for it. New York has justified their laws as a way to combat gun violence. However, when you research what they have done and how they have applied it, their efforts go far beyond the stated intent.

What you have there is multiple officials who are abusing the intent of the laws to suit their own personal agendas. On the surface, I don't care much what New York wants to do, but in a much broader sense I do care if what they are doing is trying to legally suppress people's rights. I don't care if it is those on the right or the left who do such things, it is wrong either way.

If I were a New York resident, I would be looking to move as quickly as possible.

Ahhh.... no defense...SHOOT your potty mouth off....as if name calling gives you an edge.

BTW: NY population is GROWING

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9028266

but they won't miss you.

Your circular arguments have you confused & rattled. Point is...the D.A. is investigating, and they have reasons for not revealing anything to YOU directly.

If the D.A. mentions the school proximity.... it seems to irrationally anger you.

But on a happy note... though you think you are being insulting, and damn, you sure tried...any reference to LIBERTY is OK with me.

You won't find ONE POST where I specifically condemned Jay Steiner.

I trust the D.A. & the good people of NY to serve their citizens & Mr. Steiner well.

My point, made clearer by YOU (thank you) is the push-back on this story from the RIGHTESNOUS gun owners who detest any news story that might indicate that the current gun controls are lacking.

Read the hysterical posts.

So they have a temper tantrum...and lose control... and folks like you start their posts with a F***.

Can't take that kind of talk seriously.

1NewDay,

Thank you for that post. You have made some very clear and rational arguments. I agree that the SAFE Act will likely be negated by the courts, even if the counties in NY (the majority of counties are moving for a repeal) fail to have it repealed. The idiot in charge Cuomo pushed it through so quickly that he put nearly every police officer in the State in violation of the Act with his ridiculous magazine size ban. His magazine ban was a de facto ban of nearly all semi-auto handuns. He is now back pedalling and changing the magazine size restriction to 10 rounds (since there are no 7 round magazines in existence for most semi-auto handguns) but they can still only be loaded with 7 rounds. It's ridiculous.

@RonB.,

My humble advice to you: Run while you can. Minnesota would be more than happy to have you here. As well as your firearms. True...we may currently have 8 feet of snow up here but hey....it's a decent trade-off. With it being winter for 6 mos. or more, it limits poeples desires to erroneously bitch and whine about every topic. Take care....

And, I can't take lying b****** like you seriously who put words in other people's mouths. You stating that I supported Steiner is like me stating you said you like to suck donkey d***. Neither is true.

I've stated fact and you've stated snide comments, opinion and lies.

Fact, proximity to a school had nothing to do with the criminal possession charge.

Fact, guns being loaded had nothing to do with the criminal possession charge.

Fact, these points were inserted into the story to sensationalize. They served no legitimate news purpose.

Your claim that maybe there might possibly be some forthcoming charge related to the school or loaded guns is stupid.

Now get yer a$$ back in the kitchen, do them dishes and make me a sammich!

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<p>Neanderthal guy gets smoked by a Mom

My blood pressure is not up. I've been laughing at your stupid blind lying a$$.

Illegal business... with loaded guns... charged with criminal possession... in a school area

Point is...the D.A. is investigating, and they have reasons for not revealing anything to YOU directly.

Where in the article does it state that the D.A. is investigating? He and the detectives have done their investigation and indicted him. Your implication in those two lines was that there may be other charges forthcoming related to the loaded guns and the school?

I stated:

It's no wonder that people have been leaving the State in droves

You replied:

BTW: NY population is GROWING

NY State has lost 7 million people in the last 5 decades with a net loss of 1.6 million in the last 10 years.

http://capitaltonightny.ynn.com/2011/08/new-yorks-net-population-continues-to-slide/

New York ranks 48th in new migration into the state and the total growth of two million people over the last 30 years can be attributed to the natural birth and death cycle, the conservative think-tank found.

Oh, you lack reading comprehension skills and posted a link showing growth for the first time in decades in... NYC not... NY State.

Now, go bake me some cookies and don't spit on 'em.

R I Mom,

Just one simple question for you. If this guy was 100% compliant with federal gun laws and has no criminal history or no criminal intent, and the authorities are using the laws to prosecute an otherwise law abiding citizen just to make a political point and take his guns away from him, are you OK with that?

Before you answer, try to put aside your anti-gun bias. Think about it more like a woman who got an otherwise legal abortion, but just maybe didn't go through the required vaginal probes. Therefore she's a criminal. Should they prosecute her?

You saw one thing because you are a rabid anti-gun person. You bought into the circus show that the DA spent two months organizing and rehearsing. I saw the DA state in his presentation that they got a tip from "an investigator, Mr. LaRusso". Maybe he mis-stated that and maybe it slipped out. Sounds just a bit suspicious. Is that a tip or a contrived "tip". We saw and read many of the same things, but you jumped on the band wagon and I saw enough to have some doubts. I saw the DA bragging about his "most aggressive" "gun suppression team". Doesn't "gun suppression team" even sound a bit odd to you? Why not a crime task force? Watch his presentation again with a very critical eye and listen carefully to what he says. He may "have no dobt in my mind" and he may find things "In my view-shocking", but what he is stating is his opinion, not legal fact. Then there is his contradictory statements regarding the drop in sears. It is subtle and unless you are knowledgeable, you'd probably miss it. Now keep in mind there is nothing illegal about this provided he had the tax stamps and proper federal registration. Note also that they are not charging him with possession of an illegal machine gun. Why not? Could very well be that because it was legal.

I have no problem with going after real criminals, but I do have a problem with creating laws to make otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals.

By all appearances this guy is a soft spoken, middle class, retired individual who has long lived in his neighborhood without causing any problems. There is no evidence that he's a drug addict, gang member or involved in organized crime. We can assume that at least up until 2004 this guy had a virtually clean criminal record or he would not have got his FFL. Are these the kind of people that law enforcement should be pursuing? Do these people justify having a "Gun (rights) Suppression Team"?

When New York wrote these laws they repeatedly said they were not about going after law abiding citizens exercising their Constitutional rights. They were supposed to be about going after the criminal element that used guns to commit crimes. I have my doubts that they were completely sincere when the pushed these laws through.

Now, go back and answer the question. Are you OK with using the laws to prosecute an otherwise law abiding citizen?

(1) Law Abiding...thumbs up.

(2) Me Anti-gun... couldn't be further from the truth.

(3) I am anti- folks who project their bigotry and stereo-types ...(oops...sounds like something you do)

Inventing stuff I said ... just discredits your statements.

My FIRST post (1.98) was directed towards the previous 100 + who went off on inane, speculative "supposition" and bizarre attacks on the news from MSN that they weren't even reading & comprehending.

"...For those who are saying MSN is "fueling" this...the story was in EVERY NY Paper, & ABC, CBS & FOX TV"

I then COPIED the salient points of the report.

Was this guy compliant? Apparently not.

You don't want more gun laws...fine...then CRABBING because the D.A. is checking on this guy is ludicrous.

That RABID-ANTI-GUN comment of yours summarizes my issue with you & your new best friend, Ron.... YOU ARE MAKING UP stuff. It's slander.

FIND ONE word where I professed to be anti-gun.

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(It's your looking time..... I'll wait.....)

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You've pre-judged me because I'm an advocate for reading comprehension....and damn tired of dumb comments from folks who determine they are VICTIMS of the main stream media.

It's also a crock of bull -poopy when Witchking (1.43) posts a debunked political lie that massacres were done by Democrats...and the empty heads give him a thumbs up.

Spreading hate...why?

Your latest comments are filled with self-doubt....you even say so....over & over & over...again, & again.

This kindly grandpa you have created in your mind got the attention of NY law officials. Deal with it.

You are your own worst enemy. Law abiding citizens want law abiding citizens.

You'd think if this guy was suspect, you'd want to make sure he was investigated & charged so as not to tarnish the good guys,

But no.... you folks SHOOT THE MESSENGER.

About that "political point"... huh? An illegal gunsmithing business isn't political...it's WRONG.

You dug yourself into a hole with your post # 1.146. Don't expect me to redeem you.

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Are you OK with using the laws to prosecute an otherwise law abiding citizen?

WHAT LAW PROSECUTES THE LAW ABIDERS?

I'm a law abider... no law ever "prosecuted" me. Did the "law" come after you? Speak up.... 60 Minutes wants to hear your story!

One more thing...any degenerate fool who curses at me or tells me to make him a sammich is a vile, pig.

It's psychotic behavior by a bully with anger management issues.

WHOA.....those guns are awesome. ;)

@ Middleman-1287262

DumbFarmBoy
Yes I saw the Mac 10, and if you knew even a single iota about firearms you would know that it is a "simulated suppressor" solely used for cosmetic purposes other than operate as a barrel shield or perhaps as a flash suppressor. They are available (or they were before this stupidity started) from a variety of "accessory" vendors. (Google FTF Industries for one) It may be possible it is a real suppressor, (it is hard to tell from a picture) but it is not very probable, given the size of the orifice at the end of the "suppressor" tube.

Actually Dumb, it is most likely indeed a "real suppressor".
It looks to be the "revolutionary sound suppressor designed by Mitchell Werbell III of Sionics...
This uniquely shaped suppressor gave the MAC-10 a very distinctive look."

The big question is what MAC-10 that is, we don't know since it wasn't listed in the article.
It could be a Fully Auto Version or a Semi-Auto Version.
It might not even be a M-10, is could be an M-11 A1 or M-11/9 can't exactly tell the caliber from that terrible picture.

There's no doubt that there were issue's involving Steiner.
The question is how sever the issue's were.

Were they mere clerical errors or something much more than that?
We don't know and can't tell from just this article.

I reserve judgement.

Either way, he should have keep his Firearms locked up and not lying around the house.

#1.157

How can you say "it is most likely indeed a "real suppressor"." based solely on appearance? Are you one of these people who think we need to ban certain semi automatic rifles, based solely on appearance?

The only way to tell a fake is to use it, or take it apart (if it is welded, you know for sure it is fake) A good indicator is the orifice (exit hole) at the end of the Suppressor, if it is real, it is usually very close in diameter to the caliber being fired, (clearance should be no more than .005" to .010") This one (if it is .45 cal) looks to have about .250" or plenty of room for the bullet to exit.

Like I said, there is a HIGH PROBABILITY, (that is is most likely), based on the fact that they didn't say he was a Class III dealer, that is a fake. Also based on the number of fake ones produced compared to the number of real ones produced. ($55 vs. $1500)

The fake one you can find at the website I posted looks identical externally to the real one. http://www.ftfindustries.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FI&Product_Code=ET-AC45FS2&Category_Code=MCAC

And why is it a big question? If it is a automatic Mac 10 so what? What is the big deal? First of all it is an American's Right to own arms, even automatic ones, (that is it used to be until the Liberal Progressives got in charge of things) And again, do to lack of info, we do not know, but can only surmise that he was not a Class III dealer, and therefore didn't handle automatic firearms. Oh, and Fully Auto is redundant.

And when I say "clerical" issues, I only mean paper work or permit issues, which I agree should be serious, but to arrest him, and confiscate the guns, is ridiculous, unless of course they are building or have a case that shows he was gun trafficking to criminals.

I also agree he "should" have his guns locked up in a FIRE proof safe to keep them safe from damage. Woe be tide a burglar that broke into that house while he was home. But as far as I am concerned, the threshold of my front door is the only barrier I should need to protect my guns. We need to start treating the criminals as criminals, and not as some sort of scofflaw or hooligan just out for some mischief, and start seriously punishing these losers. I say three strikes and you're out with a death penalty.

So... how about NO ONE gets a gun permit unless they pass reading comprehension (ooops...there goes all the arrogant gun posters).

That would be an anti-gun comment. Oh, BTW, you failed reading comprehension when you posted some article about NYC population growth instead of NY State, in response to a statement I made about people leaving the State in droves. Typical liberal to try and twist things to come out the way they wish to see it or to fit their agenda.

"...For those who are saying MSN is "fueling" this...the story was in EVERY NY Paper, & ABC, CBS & FOX TV

Certain points are being highlighted by liberal news organizations, as well as public officials with a gun grabber mentality, which have no bearing on the charges. Stating that he had possession of these guns in his home near a school is prejudicial and has no purpose other than to invoke the image of school shootings in the mind of the public. There are zero facts to indicate he posed a threat to the school or it's occupants but the liberal media has to sensationalize the story to push their anti-gun agenda.

One more thing...any degenerate fool who curses at me or tells me to make him a sammich is a vile, pig.

No, the pig is the one who scarfed down my sammich after she made it. I'm still waiting for it. Bring me a Coke while you're at it.

It's psychotic behavior by a bully with anger management issues

It's a response to your bullying by your continuous postings of lies and putting words in my mouth.

Get that Coke yet? If you don't hurry up I won't let you watch Stephanie Miller.

Sounds to me he has a gun collection, after the Clinton assault weapons ban the ATF changed the requirements for firearm licences and most everbody who didn't have a store front let them expire.

It's probably his retirement fund. What he has is all legal in my state, even the suppressor. I know collectors who have more than he has.

From John Ehrig on another link to this story:

In the news this week, a Southern California man was put under 72-hour psychiatric observation when it was found he owned 100 guns and had (by rough estimate) 1 million rounds of ammunition stored in his home. The house also has a secret escape tunnel.

The television reporter said: "Wow! He has about a million machine gun bullets!" and the headline referred to it as a "massive weapons cache".

By California standards someone owning even 100,000 rounds would be called "mentally unstable".

If he lived elsewhere, such as Arizona , he'd be called "an avid gun collector."

In Oklahoma , he'd be called "a novice gun collector".

In Utah , he'd be called "moderately well prepared", but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of stored food.

In Montana , he'd be called "the neighborhood 'Go-To' guy".

In Idaho , he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate".

In Wyoming , he'd be called "an eligible bachelor".

and...

In Texas , he'd be called "a Hunting Buddy"

And I was just struck by a thought, (oh, I know it doesn't happen very often) but how about this one.

I was just thinking about how the Reporter in the above "Southern California" story called these "a million machine gun bullets!" What ignorance and how out of touch they are.

The Liberals are always saying how we need to be tolerant of other cultures, why are they so intolerant of the Gun Culture?

Oh I am pretty sure I know the answer, but I would be called a bigoted, racist homophobe for pointing it out.

Just one simple question for you. If this guy was 100% compliant with federal gun laws and has no criminal history or no criminal intent, and the authorities are using the laws to prosecute an otherwise law abiding citizen just to make a political point and take his guns away from him, are you OK with that?

1newday - There may be local and state ordinances regarding a) the running of a business, any business, b) possession of guns, even in your home. Apparently the "authorities" believe he was in violation of some of these laws. This is not "using" the law. It is "enforcing" the law.

I cannot speak for RI Mom. But I don't have a problem with that.

@dman,

Apparently the "authorities" believe he was in violation of some of these laws.

Problem with that is it's not the job or in the scope of LE to 'believe' anything. Their beliefs are opinionated and subjective...as are yours and mine. Instead, the sole task of LE is to enforce the law...personal beliefs aside. If this man was in any violations whatsoever then he should be punished accordingly. But if it turns out that he was fully within all legalities, then the actions of the DA and LE should be investigated. It seems the new rallying cry is 'fairness for all' so if the man is innocent, then what he was put through would be inherently 'unfair' and we all know that we cant have THAT these days. Just my opinion....

Problem with that is it's not the job or in the scope of LE to 'believe' anything.

Actually, AmericanDefender9, it is precisely the job of the local enforcement to investigate probable criminal violations of the law and, if they "believe" a violation has occurred, to file make an arrest, refer the case to the DA, who may elect to seek an indictment and prosecute.

That is how the system works.

But if it turns out that he was fully within all legalities, then the actions of the DA and LE should be investigated.

If the grand jury declines to indict, or if he is found innocent then he goes free, and the DA and the police go on about their business. Again, that is how the system works, regardless of the law or laws involved.

The only circumstance which might result in an investigation of local law enforcement is if there were evidence of malicious prosecution. I can only think of one such case which was reported in the national media; that was the Duke Lacrosse Team rape case of a few yeas back. In that case it became evident that the local D.A., Mike Nifong, had circumvented normal investigation methods and safeguards, attempted to withhold or ignore obviously exculpatory evidence, all with the assumed motive of winning a conviction in a case where the evidence indicated no crime had been committed. He was removed from the case. The case was thrown out of court and Mr. Nifong was fired, disbarred and found guilty of criminal contempt.

But that doesn't happen often. My guess is that you believe such actions are necessary here because you abhor any law which limits the rights and ability of private citizens to own firearms.

@dman,

My guess is that you believe such actions are necessary here because you abhor any law which limits the rights and ability of private citizens to own firearms.

Actually...no, I don't. Your assumption is incorrect. To be honest, what I do abhor are people who exhibit presumptuous behaviors.

Actually...no, I don't. Your assumption is incorrect. To be honest, what I do abhor are people who exhibit presumptuous behaviors.

Well, excuse the hell out of me.

Here's a recycled "news" story for you. This story was previously posted when it happened back in January. Guess they just want to keep putting fuel on the gun control debate.

NiemandBinich

Here's a recycled "news" story for you. This story was previously posted when it happened back in January. Guess they just want to keep putting fuel on the gun control debate.

#1.183

I noticed that in other reports, there were no dates on this article. Anyone heard any updates? all I can find is Liberal Sites regurgitating their leftist agenda.

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LMAO @ witchking. Why is it the GOP love life, but also love the Death Penalty? Why is it the GOP are the first to threaten war at every turn if another nation doesn't kowtow to America?

I'm a Liberal, and a Humanist. So under your assumption from above, I should be the one killing next eh? And I can guess you think I love aboritions eh, since I'm Liberal? Your a @!$%#ING moron witchking. Sadly its the like of you in the ranks of the GOP and the rightie assclowns who are destroying America. They want to rule with a babble in one hand and a fully automatic assault rifle in the other. Forcing 1 religion on Americans, whether we like it or not. But yeah, Liberals are destroying America. @!$%#tard

No-one in America is Pro-Killing babies, sorry, unless its the GOP, with wars on nations who are sovereign and blindly killing its citizens without regard to human life. The GOP are the reason America is $15 Trillion in debt. The GOP is the reason America(ns) are hated world wide.

Well, you certainly are. Period.

You panty-waste liberals are the hypocrits. Slaughtering innocent babies is cool in your book, but a monster who has gone through the system and has had his guilt proven over and OVER deserves to be treated "humanely" and be pampered.

Republicans believe in the sanctity of life. However, they also see that there are evil individuals in this world who have no hope for rehabilitation and pose a significant threat to the lives of others. You have a right to life until you commit such heinous crimes as to warrant removing you from society permanently.

They won't, they'll say the guns shouldn't have been taken.

Maybe the guns shouldn't have been taken. There's been too many stories recently where the cops have overstepped their lawful limits and engaged in actions that violate the rights of citizens under the excuse of protecting the public.

Did the cops overstep here? It seems to me that this guy didn't have licenses for these weapons except for an expired dealers license. That just doesn't cut it. Your home is not a place to store the overstock from your gun shop (if he is in fact a gun dealer). Handguns in the home mean they are your handguns. Without a license to own them he broke the law. The police will now investigate these weapons to see if they are connected to crimes, which is standard procedure when confiscating illegal guns.

So what exactly did the cops do wrong?

pbGR,

If that is what you are waiting for then you will wait a long time. The NRA is a not a law enforcement agency.

No, we need to prosecute CRIMINALS..... this is a PAPERWORK issue..... a fine at best

radagast

"Did the cops overstep here? It seems to me that this guy didn't have licenses for these weapons except for an expired dealers license."

The "weapons" do NOT require a license,other than handguns-and handgun licenses are only required in a very few states-NY is one of them-all the states that require licenses for handguns are liberal states,and have higher than average rates of gun crimes.

HAHAHA dumb libtards think bans will prevent this! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA S-T-U-PID! you all are, hmmmm???

I think every single home should have this many guns... you think some idiot thug will try to break in, knowing he will be filled full of lead on sight?

Gun bans= more govt control so they will own you in the end.

You can only use, at most, 2 guns at a time, how does 300 make you safer than 2?

Well, let's talk about what this story left out and how it plays into REALITY...

Over the last ten years, the number of licensed firearms dealers has been reduced by more than 2/3s across the nation. That is not the dealer's decision - it is the federal government's decision in not issuing more licenses.

SOOOOOO - this guy was a dealer for years, like many dealers, does not get another license because the feds limit the number issued.

A new gun law in New York makes a bunch of his guns illegal, even though they are just old stock that he can't sell and now he is a criminal.

IF HE WAS A CRIMINAL THOSE GUNS WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLD (or maybe not sitting out).

This is exactly the Government BS that has been destroying this country for years. They tell you that they are not infringing on rights, don't want bans, etc, but when you refuse to issue the appropriate number of licenses, you make people's massive investments worthless.

Think about this - there are 300,000,000 guns in this country. Let's put the average cost at $500, which is low. That means the total market value for this guns is: 150,000,000,000. With just a few laws these guys can essentially wipe that money out of the market. That's why gun bills are hard to pass and when they are passed, those people are the victims.

No one in the media mentions this though - that legally registered firearms dealers who have to perform background checks in order to stay in business have been driven out of the business by the feds, thereby allowing for a glut of non-registered dealers who do perform background checks to step in and increase the chances of violent crimes by making guns easier to get.

Did this guy shoot anyone? Is there any evidence that he illegally sold or used any of those weapons? No - he's a dealer that didn't come up with the bribe to get his license renewed who is sitting on a few hundred grand in stock that is now - because of legislation - completely worthless to him.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!! YOU ARE BEING PLAYED!!!!

And in related news, a previously licensed knife seller was found to have many knives in his house.

The information they DON'T provide tells all you need to know about how 'big' of a deal it was:

"Steiner is free on $25,000 bail, charged with one count of criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree"

@ Yearight....

So we assume you don't collect anything for a hobby, eh?

Please assure us you don't have more than two of ANYTHING in your house before you accuse others of some kind of perverse intentions because we happen to collect things that we, well, like to collect?

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as
they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in
America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the
whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force
superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any
pretense, raised in the United States."

- Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles
of the Federal Constitution (1787).

I'd like to ask everyone here to tell me if they prefer a DEWAT to a pre-May sample? What's your opinion on K baffles vs M baffles? Would you prefer an AOW or an SBS conversion on a Remington 870?

If you don't know what these terms mean, then you don't have a professional knowledge of firearms or the relevant laws, and your opinion is worthless. It means less to us who are professionals than your theories on heart surgery matter to your physician.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf
"Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment. We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001), the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding."."

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" Handguns in the home mean they are your handguns. Without a license to own them he broke the law."

Since when did the Constitution say that you can only keep and bear with a license? This is dangerous folks! I'll keep my opinion on the story to myself until more facts come out, but... you don't have to have a license to own a firearm in this country.

Yearight, I need more than two guns because, even when I take my time to aim, and squeeze of three round bursts, rather than just spraying bullets indiscriminately, I can empty an assault rifle pretty damned quick. I need the extra guns so the wife and kids can reload them for me, so I can maintain an acceptable rate of fire. My sister, who I taught to shoot on my back porch firing range, when she was ten, and who thought shooting at bottle caps strung to the tips of pine tree branches with varying lengths of fishing line, so the slightest breeze made them move, was normal (LOL), is also going to need more than two guns. Fortunately she has a huge collection, although my .308 is still her favorite rifle to use when she humiliates all of her husbands buddies on hunting trips. She doesn't just bring down more game than you do, she rubs it in by having her kills skinned and hanging and your dinner ready, with fresh coffee waiting for you when you stumble into camp empty handed. Which she tops off by having had time to be looking like Daisy Duke, with the hair and the make up and the high heels. She definitely needs more than two guns.

Free association being (hopefully) done with, you need more than two guns to do more than two things with them. You need a big pistol, for back up when you're bow hunting for wild pigs or hogs. You need a .22 rifle for plinking and for varmints. You need a shotgun for bird hunting, I hunt birds with a Wrist Rocket, but you need a shotgun. You need an M16 for the same reason you need a .22 rifle, it just costs more to play with. Now you need a bench loader. You need a .22 pistol, just to pack with you all the time, in case you run into varmints, when you aren't really looking for them. If you are in an urban area, you might want to use the same pistol you use for wild pigs on that last one. You need a big rifle to hunt big game. And I need that sniper rifle I saw at the Flea Market for $700.00, and no waiting period or background check, just because it's so downright sexy. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, I had just blown my funcash stash on 55" TV with WIFI. So no sniper rifle...this time.;)

the NRA- bullies? No, 6 million citizens, and growing, rapidly. Yeah right(and I mean the guy up above)....... I own more than 2 guns, A LOT more. I dont have to have a license for them either. I will use each and every one in due course, when I feel like it, and usually up in the mountains where most city folk fear to tread. I will take my son, and some lunch. We will have fun, shooting targets, maybe some cans. We will clean up when we leave, and even police our brass.

I am glad we can do this...when we want, because we live in a country in which we are still.........FREE.

I hope it can stay that way for his son....so they dont have to fight for FREEDOM here in this land.......again.

Michael Z. Williamson

I'd like to ask everyone here to tell me if they prefer a DEWAT to a pre-May sample? What's your opinion on K baffles vs M baffles? Would you prefer an AOW or an SBS conversion on a Remington 870?

If you don't know what these terms mean, then you don't have a professional knowledge of firearms or the relevant laws, and your opinion is worthless. It means less to us who are professionals than your theories on heart surgery matter to your physician.

Michael, your terms are beyond most normal gun owners and sportsmen, never mind the "anti-gunnners" here.

I will say this, concerning an 870, I'd prefer neither if said 870 was a Wingmaster Classic Trap model.
Just leave that baby alone.

Jay Steiner from Long Island, huh?

Well, we all know that there are sleeper teams within the US, or simply operatives of a different country, some of which are befriended with the US, who are waiting for orders. Such teams need a weapons depot, like Mr. Steiner's, to be able to get their needed "tools for work" when they get the orders to accomplish their goal.

I'm wondering if Mr. Steiner will soon leave the country, since he's on bail, probably on a flight bound to a Middle Eastern country. A pretty young country, which is known for her terrorist past and current aggressive war agenda.

Well, we all know that there are sleeper teams within the US, or simply operatives of a different country, some of which are befriended with the US, who are waiting for orders.

Because sleeper teams WANT to get arrested for a dumbass move. I don't believe this individual is part of a sleeper team.

You can only use, at most, 2 guns at a time, how does 300 make you safer than 2?

So when you play golf you only need a driver and a putter?

Because golf clubs can be used to kill; I believe that you should be limited to 7 strokes per club. It should be a felony to own more than 10 clubs. You don't need any more than that. There should also be a tax on clubs, greens fees, balls, and carts. Oversized "assault" clubs should also be banned. The USGA should be banned from lobbying; Big Golf and it's ridiculous profits are evil.

Do you see how ridiculous your arguments sound now?

Like the golf analogy Niemand!

P.S. the President and Congress are exempt, of course!

Unwittingly they have discovered Jimmy Hoffa's nemesis. :-)

.....and I hope that lawyer loses.

Lawyers never lose. Their client does in the form of outrageous legal fees even if found innocent.

He won't lose. Fine for no permit. Maybe probation. Then move on. Harass the neighbor that turned him in.

It depends on the degree, but it looks for searching that it would be 2nd degree and in New York that is a minimum 3.5 year sentence with a maximum of 15 years.

For what may very well prove to be an illegal search. Heresay evidence to get the warrent if they even had one. He will probably walk, although I do sympathize with the loss of his collection. I guess that's what you get living in a communist run dump like NYC.

Eric-913730

It depends on the degree, but it looks for searching that it would be 2nd degree and in New York that is a minimum 3.5 year sentence with a maximum of 15 years.

A max of 15 years for doing nothing other than OWNING handguns. How this makes sense to anyone is beyond me.

Backcountry, You missed the point entirely, the sentence would not be for owning handguns, it would be for possessing them illegally. Notice I said possess, not own, because the law says you don't own the property rights without the proper paperwork. Please don't ever serve on a jury.

His lawyer shouldn't have too hard of a time:

Steiner is free on $25,000 bail, charged with one count of criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree

And funny, he was arrested in January - why is this news now?

It's being sensationalized in order to garner support for the current firearm restricting legislation.

No need for that, he'll get Jewish lawyer.

No "Big Gulps", no cigarettes in public view.. Has this country become full of folks who are unable to make up their own minds if they want to drink 44 oz. of soda and smoke a cigarette? Do you libs really need Daddy Government to tell you what to do, are you all that inept?

The no "big gulps" and "no cigarettes in public view" are from the mind of a REPUBLICAN. How do you not know that Bloomberg is republican?

Libs certainly don't want Daddy Government enforcing medically unnecessary ultra-sounds on women, like the Republican governor of Virginia advocates.

Let's talk about the all the rights that the Bush/Ashcroft government tried to deny citizens with the Patriot act. Inept indeed.

No the pistols are illegal because he isn't licensed to own them. Period. This isn't some gray area, either be licensed or not.

There has been a 10-round limit on magazines in NY for a long time, however this excludes guns made before 94. This case doesn't seem to have anything to do with magazine limits and the newest regulations of 7 bullets/magazine. It has to do with not being licensed.

Wrong "harold", Bloomy is a rino, although I'm sure he'll change it to a D for the 2016 election season. And, of course, let's drag Bush in to this, even though your choice for president has expanded the Patriot Act to the point where you never truly know when you're going to be in the crosshairs of a drone, and I'm not talking about Holder...

Harold of the Rocks

The no "big gulps" and "no cigarettes in public view" are from the mind of a REPUBLICAN. How do you not know that Bloomberg is republican?

Bloomberg is a progressive, which party he currently belongs to is irrelevant especially since he's been an Independent for 5 years.

Bloomy isn't even a RINO. He's a registered independent.

He was a Democrat prior to 2001, a Republican 2001-2007 and an independent after that. Seems like he's changes his affiliations with the change in which way the wind blows. It's amazing anyone would vote for him. He doesn't seem to stand for anything reasonable.

HNL

So are the pistols illegal because NY just passed magazine limit, and most existing pistols exceed that?

The pistols were ONLY illegal because he didn't jump through all of the hoops you need to jump through in order to posses a pistol in NY.

Kinda like a certain government that said "Show me your papers" like they're doing in Neo-con operated Arizona? Tell me whether you want to be the pot or the kettle in this argument.

justin you are a moron. They are not saying show me your papers in AZ. If you are pulled over for breaking the law or some other way break the law they ask for ID just like all states do!!!! then if you are an illegal or do not have an ID then they ask if you are legally in the USA and if you say yes they ask for some proof via and ID. That is what all states do when people break the law!!!!

The Federal law states that anyone that is legally in the USA that is not a citizen must carry their ID that proves they are here legally. The laws of all states require you to have a drivers license if you are driving and I bet even the state you live in if you break the law you are asked for an ID!!!!

HNL,

He has been charged with criminal possession in the first degree (a class B felony) because he had 10 or more firearms in his possession. He has not been charged for possessing unlicensed handguns. Possessing an unlicensed handgun is a misdemeanor.

§ 265.04 Criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the first
degree when such person:
(1) possesses any explosive substance with intent to use the same
unlawfully against the person or property of another; or
(2) possesses ten or more firearms.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree is a class B
felony

bloomberg should be registared as a @s$hole &a backstabber limey liberal

Why when we've got "Harold dumb as a sack of rocks" instead?

Word Ron! And thank you for your service to our Nation, from one combat vet to another.

They were the big scary kind that go boom!

OK screwball, a man who was arrested with 300 guns is not a story worth of ANY news outlet? If it makes you feel better ascribe MSNBC"s reporting as political but the fact remains, it's a newsworthy story no matter who reports it and no matter what you think.

WeAllHaveOpinions

Not one mention of what illegal guns he had, MSNBC is a joke.

Actually it was mentioned. ALL of the pistols were technically illegal since he didn't have a license to own them. In most states this man would have committed no crime, in NY apparently he is facing a 15 year max sentence. Why anyone would want to live in a place like that is beyond me.

JackBNimble1

What did he do with them? If he used one, that would be news, but for all of the murders across the country, all I read here is that this guy had a gun collection and lived near a school (sorry, MSNBC, but who doesn't live near a school?)

I know plenty of people who own 20, 40, even 80 guns. They are called gun collectors. I also know a lady who owns more than 200 figurines. She is a collector. I have about 500 books, because...wait for it, I collect books.

Your fear of a hunk of metal should not dictate other people's rights.

If you check some of the links in the earlier posts. He wasn't just possessing guns without a license. He wasn't just operating as a dealer, without a license. He had a stockpile of conversion kits. He was upgrading weapons from semi to full auto, under the guise of gun smithing.

He has been charged with criminal possession in the first degree (a class B felony) because he had 10 or more firearms in his possession. He has not been charged for possessing unlicensed handguns. If he is charged for the unlicensed handguns then possessing an unlicensed handgun is a misdemeanor.

§ 265.04 Criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the first
degree when such person:
(1) possesses any explosive substance with intent to use the same
unlawfully against the person or property of another; or
(2) possesses ten or more firearms.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree is a class B
felony

Maybe you can explain to me why civil workers of the EPA, FDA and the like needs automatic weapons??? Could it be they could not depend on the military to enforce there future restrictions?

Very good question "JM'. One that the DHS refuses to answer before Congress! Good ole Nappy Napolotano, just look stupid and hope no one asks any questions.

Paranoia. The EPA does not have automatic weapons, and the bullets that have been purchased for various agencies are tied to the training of personnel involved with each agencies law enforcement capacities. Yes even the department of education has personnel who carry out these tasks. It has always been that way, this is nothing new. Personnel carriers are surplus from the Iraq war, why shouldn't they be re-purposed for domestic use? Would you rather they get scrapped and DHS buys brand new ones at 4 million a pop? Didn't think so.

You don't use hollow point bullets for target practice or training.

@JM1866039

The bullets are not the issue unless the were hollow point, armoured piercing, special category used in the commission of a crime, etc.. The "Expired" license and subsequent possession of handguns of all the weapons became illegal. In NYS often outside New York City (the five boroughs) only a rifle/shotgun permit is needed for long barrel weapons. However he had handguns in his possession that when he was unlicensed for their possesion under additional criteria automatically made him a criminal, hence removing his right to possess any firearm be it rifles,shotguns or handguns. However, since it was in his home/place of business although expired, it is a misd., unless "ANY" of the weapons fall under special circumstances such as below authorized barrel lengths, defaced, fully automatic, etc.

Now I will not say that he did or did not commit a criminal act in the true sense of the definition of criminal because of a prolonged lapse in certification equivalent to some allowing drivers licenses, inspection stickers, and insurance cards to occasionally lapse. However, these are issues "RESPONSIBLE" gun owners/ dealers "MUST" keep on top of as to not allow for additional arguments from some towards the removal of constitutionaly recognized right to bear firearms of more aware gun owners. And I write, "Constitutionally recognized rights" as it has not been repealed, just fuched with.

And finally I also hope he does not allow his attorney to argue his age as a factor for his lack or recertification, for if he could remember to renew a driver's license that expires less often than a FFL or handgun permit, that would be in my opinion an invalid defense.

JM, they're armed because of unpredictable donut holes like yourself.

So it's OK for our government to use "weapons of war" on American soil, just not us peasants.

Oh and for those who do not know, law enforcement has no duty or responsibility to keep you "safe". That is all on you.

Maybe the meat inspector needs one in case a beef isn't quite dead yet.

Why do some police agencies have armored vehicles????

North Hollywood.... New Orleans..... Austin.... bunches of others....

We use them to get our people in under fire and to extract wounded officers under fire.

Very useful. But then maybe you'd rather just drive up to try either in an standard patrol car?

Bad Plan.

"There is no week nor day nor hour, when tyranny may not
enter upon this country, if the people lose their supreme
confidence in themselves -- and lose their roughness and
spirit of defiance." -- Walt Whitman.

And, because he let his license expire, he is doing things illegally. The system is working.

The guy had illegal guns. He was breaking the law.

if you had a drivers license 5 years ago, and did not renew it, do not get caught driving a car. same thing. maybe if his license expired a couple of days ago, might be different. his expired YEARS ago. he better be able to prove that EVERYTHING he has sold in the last few years was on the up and up. taxes, city license state license and any other documents are correct or his sorry ass may go to jail. snooze, you lose

Steiner had no pistol license for any of the handguns, that is why those were illegal. The way the sentence was worded, I don't believe the other guns were illegal. But, no license to sell as a dealer, and no license for the handguns.

IAMMYOWNWOMAN (wow thats a mouthful to type)-

What do you expect from MSNBC.com when they hire high school dropouts to write for them?

You need some special lis. to have a handgun in your home in NY state? I thought it was just in NYC that they had goofy gun laws.. crazy. And whats w/ the "unlisenced gunsmith" crap? If I fix my mom's or a buddy's pc.. am I running an illegal pc repair business?

This sounds like overzealous police and prosecutors w a political agenda

If I fix my mom's or a buddy's pc.. am I running an illegal pc repair business?

GOD IN HEAVEN! If you are doing that without a business license you should be tarred and feathered along with your child who's running that unlicensed lemonade stand in your front yard and your other child who illegally mows neighbors lawns for extra spending cash. Your family are all pretty sick people for not buying all those business licenses. I'm so disgusted I think I'm going to be sick.....

They get rid of guns then every freedom you have can be taken away. I have no guns, have no desire to have a gun, but I respect the right of the person who wants them.

Joe, learn to read, he had illegal weapons and an expired license. Or that doesn't bother you?

And unless you have illegal weapons in your house you won't be raided, but I guess you paranoia tells you otherwise.

Rasputin-

Someone had to know the weapons were in there in the first place...Someone ratted him out...

To inspired"""

Well ya...

"Police were acting on a tip from a gun owner who had taken his weapon to Steiner, said Suffolk District Attorney Thomas Spota."

I skimmed that part while sipping coffee..Damn rats. @!$%#ty coffee too.

Rasputin let me guess you are an urban idiot.Illegal guns? Give me a break Mr.Friggenbloomberg. Jeez.

Rasputin - what made the guns illegal? The article didn't go into detail on how the guns were illegal. Oh and by the way, every household in this country has household chemicals that can be turned into chemical weapons. Under the ATF charter, every household in this country can probably be raided under the assumption that there are chemicals in the house as part of chemical weapon manufacturing. Too many times it is reported that someone had bomb making material in their house. Guess what? Those materials are available legally available anywhere you shop. All it takes is someone putting everything together to make the end product. Think about that sometime while believing you are immune from raids.

he had illegal weapons

Why does the article not explain what type of illegal weapons he had. Did he have a minigun or a flamethrower? The article is very vague on this. Sure looks like an opportunistic gun grab to me

chuckzul-

That's what I said: grabbing for 'low hanging fruit' New York is NO SAFER. Real criminals still walk the streets...

:-\

But hey- At least Gov. Dildo Cuomo gets a quick win and his gun confiscation numbers climb...

he had illegal weapons and an expired license. Or that doesn't bother you?

Being this was in New York with their loony gun laws, illegal weapons up there are likely normal, legal weapons in most every other part of America. As for the Expired license, he is guilty.

Joe, learn to read, he had illegal weapons and an expired license. Or that doesn't bother you?

The license only exists so you can buy and sell them FOR PROFIT. Unless they can prove he was buying and selling for profit after the license expiration, then no, It doesn't bother me at all.

The only issue I see is the lack of a pistol license. Even then, I question the constitutionality of THAT law.

Unlicensed pistols. They probably became illegal the minute his dealer license expired. A story to make you all afraid - very afraid . . . and Eric is.

Whoever alerted authorities about this guy's stash probably saved his life. If certain people found out before the police, he certainly would have been burglarized or even ambushed and killed. Thieves target homes known to have guns. Huge black market for them in the USA.

What does one do with the weapons when the license expires? You cant sell them, no license. If you decide not to renew and get out of the business, what do you do. Is there a law in Bllombergopia against giving them away. what to do, oh what to do???

Obviously he was trying to sell them, that is why the person reported him. Would you give away guns that you paid good money for (other than friends and relatives)? Pretty certain this guy wouldn't either.

Is there a law in Bllombergopia against giving them away.

OK, geography lesson: Bllombergopia is 60 miles west of Centereach, LI.

If he wanted out of the business, he should have sold his stock in 2004 when his license was going to expire. There is no way he could claim an economic hardship either - 300 guns can easily pay for a renewal of his license! Clearly this guy was still in business if he was still circulating business cards, so he just seems to have decided not to renew. Jokes on him I guess. In any case what dealer sells out of his home? Is it normal to sell weapons without a store? Your home is no place for your overstock if you own a business.

Depends on what type of FFL he had. If he was an SOT (Type 03/07 I believe) he would have been able to manufacture NFA regulated firearms (think full auto and silencers) as well as buy/sell and transfer them. When he lost his FFL he would have had to destroy or transfer all of the firearms to another dealer. If he kept NFA Items, NY law is the least of his worries. Even non-NFA firearms would have had to be transferred to him on a 4473 from the business, even though he owned the business.

No where in the article does it mention that he was selling the firearms. Maybe he was a gunsmith? They have to have an FFL also......

Depends... Radagast... Starting with Clinton the BATFE was notorious for not renewing FFL's for folks who did not have a "brick and mortar" place of business. Lot's of FFL's were selling guns from a portion of their personal residences designated as their office, like a converted garage. In fact some figures indicate that during Clintion the FFL rolls declined by50% as they forced the mom and pop operations out of business via non-renewal.

Strategy.... fewer gun sellers, fewer guns sold. Kinda like being low on gas in a neighborhood with no gas stations.....

"To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm . . .
is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to
keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes
shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be
prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general
deprivation of constitutional privilege." [Wilson v. State, 33
Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878)]

I guess that's one way to liquidate your inventory...LOL!

I have exactly NO IDEA what the @!$%# you just wrote...It's almost like you write in another language...

To..Inspired""""

And ...you got my drift ...

LOL! Now I got it!

They are not illegal weapons...they are undocumented firearms. The same propaganda your agenda uses works both ways. Sounds as though you chose an appropriate screen name.

Maybe he was hoping you would show up.

Hey stupid go peddle your dumb@ss anti-gun agenda somewhere else.

"The guns were stored all throughout the house," said Spota, as he stood in front of a table filled with the seized weapons.

Where'd you get in every corner. Could be he just had multiple gun safes and different rooms. Could be he used locked closets in various rooms thoughout the house. Could be the pistols were in the Library and the rifles in the parlor.

The only dishonest ones around here are YOU guys Raspussy.

"For the point to be made with respect to Congress and the
Second Amendment is that the essential claim advanced by the
NRA with respect to the Second Amendment is extremely
strong... the constructive role of the NRA today, like the
role of the ACLU in the 1920's with respect to the First
Amendment, ought itself not to be dismissed lightly."
--William Van Alstyne, Professor of Law, Duke University
School of Law, "The Second Amendment And The Personal
Right to Arms," 1994

New York requires a current license to own handguns....that is the only issue.

Well for one thing he probably didn't transfer his bound book over to the ATF when he went out of business. They don't like that and they probably would have paid him a visit.... in another 5 or 6 years.

So having 85 illegal guns is not breaking the law? Or can't you read a whole article before spouting crap?

People like you create and encourage massacres of little children with your constant paranoia with guns and bullets.

Rasputin-

What made those guns illegal? When Gov. Dildo Cuomo signed the bill declaring them illegal last month?

In Long Island, it is very much like a tight suburbia; 9 times out of ten you are going to be within close proximity of a school, a church, a synagogue, etc. So long as he didn't bring the weapon on school property, what law did he break? NONE.

Its new york!...their a fricken stupid city/state that lets the government run their lives....I always thought "new yawkers" were a tough independent minded people...heck, their just sheeple....too bad for them...Hah!

"There are no laws that I am aware of that require me to lock up my weapons."

I'm not sure that is true anymore, especially in the presence of children.

Communistic? Seriously? And why should anything else you said be given any credence either?

HEY, EVERYONE! TIM'S BACK! He's here to tell everyone how the big, black semi-automatic rifle should be banned as well as high capacity magazzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Because in Virginia, I do not have to register any of my weapons, I can own as many as I want and I do own multiple weapons (granted, if anyone asks, they were lost on a fishing expedition in the Chesapeake Bay), and I can legally walk down the street with a gun holstered out in the open.

Can you legally do that in New York? How about Massachusetts? California?

Massachusetts: The birthplace of the American Revolution...SAD...

Because those states are NOT free compare to Virginia...THAT'S why I said New York is Communistic...

No worries, Tim- I don't expect you to agree with me...We've been down that rabbit hole...Get over it; your Democrats in office don't want to lose in 2014 so that is why the AWB was dropped... HA!

"lost on a fishing expedition..." Bwa ha ha! I lost all my guns while over the Monterrey trench (4500' depth) what a shame.

WOW you too? I knew that canoe was the wrong choice outside the Continental Shelf!!

"You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself
a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about
repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the
struggle for independence."-C.A. Beard

They are busy rounding up all the 'low-hanging fruit.' The state is NO SAFER by doing this; the real criminals that will not hesitate to pull a trigger are still out there. I hope you are proud of yourself, Gov. Dildo Cuomo; I am sure this 300 weapons will make your numbers look REAL GOOD when the time comes to have a campaign slogan for re-election or for higher political ambitions. I am sure you have an advisor that is generating a list of bullets to reflect on as your, "Look at me I am good for the country" point paper...WHATEVER.

@Rasputin-2589057 Same thing could happen with someone that went nuts and drove their car through the front door of a school or ran over a bunch of kids on the playground. If...If..If...If a bullfrog had wings it would not bump it's butt when it jumped.

Rasputin - How do we know that you won't snap someday and drive your car through a crowd of children on a playground? We could play "want if" all day long and both of us would never have all the answers.

Rasputin, are you implying that just because someone owns a lot of firearms that they are eventually going to snap? If we follow your logic, then every man is a potential rapist because he's got his weapon with him 24/7. Should we legislate mandatory chastity belts in case someone snaps and goes on a raping spree? After all, you never know...

Rasputin...Your fricken left wing lunatic....I really don't care what you think or post, but since you did, what makes you such a fricken expert on the subject?

Says who? You? the government? Given the governments behavior lately I don't trust them to respect my constitutional rights.

Amunaka-

If I am a legal gun owner and I have not broken any laws I also have a right to privacy. If I don't want God and country to know who I am or what weapons I have, at least in my state, you are not going to find out...

As far as the state needs to know, I lost all my weapons on a fishing expedition somewhere in the Chesapeake Bay...

>:-)

Nothing to worry about, our rights are continually under attack.

Especially by the current administration.

Worry maybe not, but I have concerns with common sense with our government and what they have come too.

To have to attack our rights.

There is no privacy provision to the 2nd Amendment.

@Tim-

Try the Fourth Amendment.

Tim...eat sh-t and bark at the moon, go back to your kennel and shut up..

How clever. I'm so glad you took the time to share your insights with us.

tim-

you are just jealous you don't know how to make a comeback or provide logical insight...

you are just jealous you don't know how to make a comeback or provide logical insight...

It's pretty tough to top this kind of logic:

eat sh-t and bark at the moon, go back to your kennel and shut up..

But thanks for the laugh, anyway. ;-)

I am off to the range, tim-

I traded some homemade bacon from a couple of wild hogs I shot on my property for 500 rounds of XM855 from a neighbor. Just so you know, XM855 is a pretty decent 5.56mm round used on the scary black rifle known as the AR-15.

I have to keep my skillsets sharp, so I will probably shoot off about 200 rounds and save the other 300 for when the @!$%# hits the fan...

Should you feel the urge to feed off of fecal waster matter I am sure someone of your ilk will find it to be a delicacy made fitting for like-minded Liberals such as you and JOregon. After having a hearty helping, all that bacteria would surely reach your brainstem and motivate you go onto your back deck and make weird noises towards the sky where surely the Earth's satellite is loitering. Since you are a Liberal, it is believed that you would rather spread the wealth across all the poor so I am sure that your domicile is a hovel compared to mine. Perhaps fitting for a dog or multiple dogs for that matter.

But in the end, I couldn't care less about the failed logic you spout so please do everyone a favor a keep your beliefs to yourself.

In other words, eat @!$%# and bark at the moon, go back to your kennel and shut the @!$%# up.

Laugh on that, chump.

Reply to Ron Adolph: Yeah they've been getting Dads deer rifles and shotguns for years now. Case in point S. ILL County sheriff in summer of 2002 seizes a families entire gun private gun collection. They got the son's deer hunting 20 gauge his Crossman air rifle, great grandpa's Colt 45 Single Action Army that had been in the family for generations. Judge ordered all sold at aution, even the air rifles, not even given option of transferring to other family members.

Oh by the way they keep the owner behind bars for two weeks denied legal representation while the state police conducted ballistics test. Becasue a couple out of 30 firearms were traced to some property damage, the state seized the entire collection and ordered them sold.

Thrown in jail for two weeks denied due process until they could manufacture some eveidence to justify their actions.

Its not the Democrats coming for your guns, its your current police depts and current sheriffs depts. and prosecutors, unconstitutionally seizing private property, testing, then filing charges.

These cases can be fought on grounds of unreasonalbe search and seizure if you have the cash and don't mind spending years behing bars waiting for your due process to be granted.