In this case, yes.......

She was white??!!

Not gonna lie, I only opened the article because I laughed at the headline.

Another embarrassment to the Commonwealth...

Pennsylvania woman ordered kids to pepper spray store employees

Is that called 'parenting'? wow, so sacred. That mom is a cow..'sacred cow', 'holy cow' - sarcasm intended

Seriously Piglizard did you even look at the mug shot?

It's a family a affiar.

@Doug--- Yea, black people would have just pulled a gun. Stupid white people. Get a life.

Leave it to ido to politicize this story..... what an ingrate...

Is the Mike Chitwood in Upper Darby related to the Daytona Beach police Chief Mike Chitwood, who is from PA? I'm guessing yes.

More kids to go to foster care or to grandparents...

Some people do not deserve to be parents. It may be that she cannot afford to give her kids what they need to survive, but being this kind of "roll model" does not look very favorable for her children to learn the right lessons.

ge mary

marywhatever

It's a family a affiar.

And a religious family at that. The woman was heard telling her kids, "Let us spray."

Rats everywhere.

It's spelled "role model".

And yet, the nutty Right To Life people think that every pregnant woman should be a mother, regardless of whether she has a first clue about parenting. SMH.

The customer is always right!! Who wants some!!

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And yet, the nutty Right To Life people think that every pregnant woman should be a mother, regardless of whether she has a first clue about parenting. SMH.

Oh yea, thats a good reason to murder the babies. Go figure.....we always have the death penalty.......oh wait......

Well, lets hope that human services in PA are a little more sophisticated than that.

Eric: I agree but "you cant fix stupid" and even idiots have rights.. she will get her kids back on the promise of rehab (that the state will pay for) and back to her old habits... kids eating stale bread and pork & beans , while mommies trading sex for drugs and another pay raise (kid) from the state...

the state needs to approve sterilization and end this cycle ... its sad loving caring people try and cant have children, but idiots pop them out like rabbits !

Rehab that the TAXPAYERS will pay for. The state only has money that it confiscates from the people.

There should be more workfare and less welfare. I'm tired of supporting drug addict whores and deadbeats who are too lazy to work. If you don't work, you don't eat. That would wake some of these losers up. Make them pick crops and do jobs that the illegals are doing.

Stories like this are becoming more common, and it is due in part to the elevation of every single mom to sainthood status, despite their qualifications to be a parent. Where are these kids' father(s)? Does she even know? (He is/They are probably no prize(s), either.)

You need a license to drive a car, but not to create unwilling victims of your perpetual cycle of dysfunction.

Amused muse - well said it sounds like a big waste of sperm all around!

Shoplift at Dollartree? Why?

Hey, dan-282760 so where do all you trolls meet before you head out to these sites? If you had said something that wasn't a textbook stereotype of a conservative, you might have gotten away with it!

Sounds really good until you decide who makes the choice. Hitler had more wrong with him than his methods. PS. glad you're not God.

Natural selection still works........

Eric

I wish but I beg to differ. All the wrong people are the ones having 4-5-6-7-8 kids. Reasonable, intelligent, moderate people are getting bred off the planet.

Any time you catch yourself thinking "Hitler was on to something...." please, just stop there.

The vast majority of people have the potential to be reasonable, intelligent and moderate. Cut the earths population by 75% and then there would be the resources to invest in bringing that potential out. Heck even third world country cultures would improve.

@hairmetalrocker, that's the nice thing about genetics. Out of those 4, 5, 6, etc. kids at least half will probably have more smarts than the mother.

Cameron...now it is just called research and science and technology and progress. We have been messing around with the human genome for a while. We just dress it up better, but it's the same thing. Eugenics is coming.

So you are saying that her DNA made her do it, Har-de-HarMetalRocker? Sorry, take your junk science elsewhere. Hitler exterminated many of the people who made enormous contributions to German society. Hitler's idea of a contribution was the talentless, banal "art" that he and Goebbels championed in place of the valuable masterpieces that they derided as "degenerate." Take your junk history with you, too.

Funny how everyone says the population should be reduced but I don't hear anyone volunteering to sacrifice themselves. If you're that concerned with overpopulation, kill yourself. Why does everyone think they'll be one of the lucky few people left? If you really want 75% of the population to die, keep in mind that odds are you'll be one of them.

Amused Muse...you might benefit from looking up the word "umbrageous."

HairMetalRocker,

No. Reasonable, intelligent, moderate people are considering the cost of having children at an early age on their future career and financial choices. If you look across all societies (nationality or faith-based), you will see that as the broader society advances in wealth, knowledge, AND OPPORTUNITY; that society's birth-rate per 1000 goes down. 1840-1890 racist propaganda did not focus on "the breeding habits" of blacks or Hispanics, but those of the Irish, the Scandinavians, the Italians, the Slavs and the Chinese. Those groups were the tenement (slum) dwellers of the time, living lives of filth, drunkenness and crime. As they rose in society, regardless faith or other stereotypes, the number of children per family declined. This allowed them to concentrate their efforts for education and wealth-accural on those children's success, rather than depend on luck (or God's plan).

Today, many of their descendents have one or two children, not the twelve or fifteen of their ancestors. Some have even decided that they can just as easily settle their spoils on a niece or nephew, sparing them the time, expense of nannies and bordering schools, and human concern for their own child. After all, they may have two, four or maybe six options in later life.

Unfortunately, a recently published study shows as much as 98% of the population under 35 has abandoned hope that they will retire before they die. Not because they are spend-thrifts, but because we are likely fall into a Japanese like malaise economically, creating no job opportunities for even middle aged workers with even less for their children. At what point do these hopeless people start to subscribe to the 1000 year-old western thought that having 12-15 kids may assure 5-6 surviving to adulthood to support them in your their-age.

I don't believe that "Hair..." was appealing for a Nazi or eugenics solution. But he was, perhaps, being tacky.

BTW, though I have A son, he married an somewhat older woman who had already had her children. I fell I see the end of my branch.

Sorry to burst your bubble Herr HairMetalRocker, but Woodrow Wilson, our 24th president, as well as other world leaders first came up with the idea of eliminating the "dullards" of society and came up with lobotomies, sterilzations, and other nefarious medical experiments to accomplish this. Hitler only grasped this idealogy and improved on it to the horror of, yes, the Progressives. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Bloomberg are the current Progressives restarting this madness. Read up on our real history, not the swill they teach in schools.

Best definition for Progressive vs. Liberal:

Progressives are those who focus on using government power to make society play by a set of rules.

Liberals are those who focus on using taxpayer money to better society.

As you can see, not every Liberal is a Progressive.

Either way you slice it, there's a whole lot of people on earth we could do without.

It isn't a movie.

I wish it were a movie. This woman is trash, I can only hope her children break through what they are being taught.

Yes Annie, cities (mental illness / depression + heroin ) as well as rural America (mental illness / depression + crystal meth) plus lack of proper upbringing, poor socio-economic environment (which perpetuates the problem), and lack of access to or failure to use birth control.

Hopefully the Commonwealth will intervene for the sake of the kids. But what to do with the mother?? And where is the damn father??? There are people who dedicate their lives to try and figure this stuff out - social workers / advocates snd the government tries to help. Who knows what the solution is, but I don't think it's a new problem..

moonbat,

You left out one component. Once upon a time in America, we had opportunities for young men and women. These opportunities for them (and their parents) outweighed the escape of drugs and consequences of crime for most. Even if an early marriage/pregnancy didn't work out, there was a job available that paid a liveable (if careful) wage.

I work with an organization that employs a sheltered worker as a custodian. He is a great employee, flexible but not sophisticated, with a great personality. He is not quite as good as the person he is (temporarily) replacing, but is willing. Example: he and I are going to pick up the properly place garbage the city didn't collect for the last two weeks tomorrow, maybe in the rain, and rebag it. And I am sure he'll do more than help.

On the other hand, without his government support, he could never live on what we can pay. Like many churches and NGO's, we have lived without a custodian while depending on volunteers. Volunteers have their own needs and schedules (which come first), oft times meaning undone chores.

Now, take a look at your latest want-ad for "Jobs Available" or on any internet job-board. What opportunities are there? Could you, or anyone, live on the offered pay?

I am NOT asserting that this is this woman's problem. But, I live in essentially rural America. There isn't a Norman Rockwell America for most people anymore. No country doctor, but a corporate clinic. In my area, the used car dealers are basically straight (except one who seems to always be suing for default?). And the majority of what these comments bitch about are met by local PRIVATE organizations and churches -- food, rent, temporary housing, utilities, etc...

And yes, I'm a church treasurer. None of the lower 60+% have seen the recovery!

No one wants to recognize that this is where our nation is heading. Failing educational system, failing legal system, failing economic system and failing political system. We continue to cater to the lowest common denominator, encouraging mediocrity.

What an ignorant post.

@Dennis--- You got that right. Some people are just ---------

It's not as ignorant as the one stating it couldn't have gone off that way...

I missed that one Jax. Where was it.

Stupid statements everywhere. She could have driven her car into the store or dropped an elephant from a helicopter... Good thing she's just a druggie on welfare, the kids got lucky!

I thought about the guy in Wal-Mart, who shot the store manager who was simply doing his job of telling the guy to put a leash on his service dog.

Stupid statements everywhere. She could have ...or dropped an elephant from a helicopter...

Stupid statement everywhere... Case in point.

I would think leaving the kids at home would be on my list, too. Jeesh!

The kids were her backup. I think her 4 year old was driving the getaway car.

Talk about ignorant posts...

The majority of us citizens are NOT in the poverty pool as you suggest, and are far from ignorant. Feel free to stereo-type your relatives, leave the rest of us out of your ignorant base...

Ray in Jax,

Actually, you're wrong. The majority of children in the good old USA are now living in poverty.

Now we can debate the hows and whys. And certainly this mother "appears" to qualify for a WHY. But, several entire systems have failed considering her record. Two prior convictions in the past ten years? What charges were withdrawn or dismissed?

And why force your way into a 'Family Dollar' store where you've been banned? Is there a back story?

This woman had an irrational, but at least nonlethal hatred for this manager. I agree, it could have been worse. The manager went home. Hopefully the children go to a better home. And she goes to a place to hopefully (not assured) to dry-out and think for a while.

Good thinking Dennis.. Now crack another Bud Light.

Bill Marvel, Actually No, US Census figures report that 22% of US children under age 18 are living below the poverty line. 22% is high, but hardly a majority. Interestingly Hispanic children have the highest rate of 36%, and the increases since 2003 seem to correspond to the estimated increase in undocumented aliens from Mexico and South America.

No taste either.

Yes, because if they had had assault weapons instead of pepper spray, the situation would have gone so much better!

The dope you're smoking must be as bad as hers Joey. Child Protection Services do not abuse gun owners who teach their children firearm safety. There are Junior Shooting Competitions, the J3 division is for any age under 14 years. There are televised competitions on the National level, and I believe I read an article about a 6 year old either winning or coming close to winning a National title. Now, if CPS had any issue with parents teaching kids firearm safety, they would be all over these competitions "abusing gun owners" as you say. CPS only gets involved when a child does something such as bringing a firearm to school. Turn off the Limbaugh and step away from Conservative blogs, they contain anger instead of facts. If you have an article that suggests otherwise please share, because there is no law stating a parent can't teach their child gun safety and no record I can find of CPS getting involved over the education of gun safety. However, while searching for any instance of the abuse you claim, I did find a document by the Washington State Department of Health wherein their CPS recomends teaching your children gun safety. Isn't it interesting what you can learn when you research issues for yourself instead of relying on others tell you?

riverboy21 - Thank you for bringing some intelligence to the discussion. That said, this woman is truly terrifying. I can't imagine what life for her kids must be like.

Joey - In your second sentence, it's "too", not "to".

Joey =MORON

Joey is just another ignorant right wing nut that can't wait for the latest story about anything to break, so he can politicize it for his extreme right cause...

Moron

Joey is referring to the incident in New Jersey where CPS and cops tried to raid a guys home and threatened to take custody of his children because he posted a picture of his son with a .22 rifle. While they did not go after him for teaching his child gun safety, they didn't even bother looking at the picture before raiding the home. Someone called in and said there was a picture of a child with a gun and they overreacted.

Thanks for the reply ShadyJ, I found that article too, but there are some details missing from your post.

1. The gun owner stated that the firearm is a modified .22 to look exactly like an AR-15, and AR-15's are illegal in New Jersey. That is what prompted action in the first place, the same action that would have occured from a picture of any child holding any illegal object.

2. Four Officers and a CPS Agent showed up to the house and asked if they could see the gun and check if it was registered, the homeowner contacted his lawyer and then asked if the officers had a warrant and when they responded that they did not have a warrant, the homeowner asked them to leave and they did leave. The homeowner is quoted as saying he never let them enter or open his gunsafe.

3. Officers never returned with a warrant, and all information about the rifle is based on the owner stating that it was a .22 and not an AR-15. So in reality, we don't know if it was an illegal weapon(in the state of New Jersey) or not.

4. The home was never entered, so it was never raided.

5. I don't know if they looked at the picture or not, but the gun owner said the officers specifically stated they wanted to check if the assault weapon style rifle was registered. So either the hotline tipper told them it was an AR-15 style weapon or they looked at the picture.

So really, it had nothing to with educating a child on firearm safety, everything to do with a hotline tip saying a child was holding an illegal item. If police and CPS ignore tips about potential child abuse, they open themselves up to endless liabilities and besides, it is their duty to respond to the tips they receive from concerned citizens.

Joey,

What the hell dope are you smoking? I may want some, someday.

You are so removed from the topic as to remove you from the planet.

As to your paranoia, I believe 'Riverboy' has answered your example.

Riverboy,

Your thanks is neither warranted nor wanted. You were not even addressed in my reply.

How about including the idiot that got her pregnant?

Spaded? Is that a fancy word for burying her alive?

Spaded....LOL. Stupidity rocks, don't it?

The best part of that video has not yet even mentioned on these boards. The store employee can flat out throw some HANDS. Seriously, she can FIGHT. Makes me kinda proud to be from Philly. I live in Tennessee now. This place is all talk and gun racks.

Quite a beat down wasn't it Gov?

Should they sterilize this loser before or after she gets out of jail?

Ron,I agree.Yours is the best post by far.

Hyperbole much? They did not "raid" the home. Stick with the facts and your credibility will fare better.

Then I hope you are not against offering "free" birth control. Because I think that is a step in the right direction.

Forced sterilizations would be better and cheaper in the long run. The problem with BC is that the people who should not be breeding are too stupid to use it correctly or consistently.

These posts for forced sterilization. Yeah, that's the answer...as long as it's the other person and not aimed myself or my family. Then it would be unlawful, unconstitutional. I read these rants on this post and my stomach churns. One person wrote about Hitler. From what I see here, if this was 1930s Germany most of these posters would have been goose-stepping in Nazi parades.

sAyItLiKeItIs,

Well, I think anyone who doesn't know that CAPS go in front (left-most position in your name doesn't deserve to breed. (I suspect why you did it, first choice was taken; I suspect)

But remember the slope you want to start. 10 mostly southern states had forced strilization for "slow" people who were near-sighted without corrective lenses (poor) (institutionalized), who had a specific disease (institutionalized)m who were average but uneducated (poor), who were abandoned and institutionalized (poor, and experimented on?), or who were old and poor without support (institutionalized).

Though none of these had anything to do with race, black men (and women) were the majority of the victims. And that was the verdidict of a pre-Obama Supreme Court, ruling that the victims (and survivors, who don't need to be progeny) in at least one state were due damages.

BTW, your comments on BIRTH-CONTROL (not BC, which means Before Christ) show you to be a contemptuous, self-righteous ass.

Paraphrasing Winston Churchill, "In the morning, I will be hung-over. You sir, will still be an ugly soul.

She had no right to be there... she had been banned. Idiots like you have real problems following rules.... bet you are just like her. Please get some professional help... you have a flawed sense of logic about what is right and wrong. People like you are the problem.

shane,

Guess you missed the messages. Dollar General, Family Dollar and Dollar Tree are making serious inroads into WalMart's trade -- 1-4%.

1-4% may not sound like much, but the $90-400million EACH.

And they have the same theft issues that WalMart has. Why do you think Walmart has greeters? To be friendly, or to direct your face to a camera? How many WM stories of similar content have we sen in the past year? Dozens?

Not every gem, bauble, or need is in WalMart, some are actually in department stores, grocers, or hardware, building supply or tool stores. Afterall, when did you last see a lathe (wood or metal-cutting), a custom grind of hamburger of the rump roast and the shank, or drapes for you 12-15' paladian windows (not as uncommon as you might think),

Likewise, WM concentrates itself in "SuperCenters" miles away from many city centers. The "dollar" stores fill the void. Food, cleaning supplies, personal items and BASIC clothing items are the dollar mainstays. Being banned from a store, not only carries weight there, but to all the stores miles around. I'm not saying this is wrong, it is just the way it is.

And apparently more than this gal could take,,,

What Chitwood said is factual and correct. Why is it that lala land Libtards always try to candy-coat a turd? The mother is a loser and the children will be losers also. These are the FACTS of the matter. The facts don't lie. Trash like this woman should not be allowed to breed.

I'm sorry your life is so filled with bitterness and hatred of others. That's honestly the only explanation for such a nasty, nonsensical tirade about people - little kids, mind you - who you do not even know.

We don't have the luxury of picking our parents. Some of us get bad ones (and I think we can all assume at this point that yours very well may have been deficient in a couple of fundamentals). All it takes is one caring person to make a difference in a disadvantaged kid's life, and break the cycle set in motion by parents like this mother - something that, from the vantage point of a long career in law enforcement, Mr. Chitwood should realize better than anyone.

People like this loser piece of trash mother should not be breeding.... end of story. Trash breeds more trash... it is genetic... the same way fat parents have fat children.... it is bad genes. Sorry that you have the "dumb" gene and are too stupid to comprehend.... How's that monthly welfare check working for you?

Weston,

Your obligation has now been set. YOU must rescue these children and provide them with all the advantages of our modern society, regardless of cost. AND you must assume all responsibility for whatever they do for the next 15 years.

Now do you want to revise your post?

sAyItLiKeItIs,

And if 50.0001% of the populace decides that "sAyItLiKeItIs" is trash, can we expect you to show up for mandatory incineration? Facts are NOT TRUTH.

Fact: The sun revolves around the Earth. -- 1600+ years.

Fact: Man cannot survive traveling faster than 30mph. -- the 1830's.

Fact: An airplane cannot travel faster than sound due to an imprenterable compression wave. -- Ask Chuck Yeager.

Fact: Birth Control is ineffective. -- Birth Control nearly eliminated abortion (except for rape and incest) until it became controlled as a religious issue in this (the USA) country.

Fact: We have no effect on the environment. -- Ocean levels have raised 8" (inches) over the las 100 years. Estimates are currently running 8' (feet)

Fact: You call this woman "this loser piece of trash mother". -- How do I (or any of us) know that your fact is just as true?

Do you know her (in particular)? Or are you just surmising? Why are you better?

phillydad215,

Alright, TWO things you need to do.

First, provide you footage (all of it) to her attorney. Second, explain what you didn't do while filming all this. Do you understand what you sound like? (Whiney little b..., Coward, or Accessory After the Fact)? Or give it to the press, and let them compare it to other footage and air it.

File your tape in court or the press, and let the system sort it, not those of us whom who only get your view.