But ya did Blanch. But ya did!

I'm sure my comment is over your lowly little head - but so be it.

I hope the couple is wins their suit. Equality for all or not at all!

Thank ya, Bette.

Sue Baby Sue

Sanity is approaching NM. As a heterosexual, I say TY ACLU & Couples for doing what is right. Eat crow rwnjs!!

Be nice to us lesbians.

I will be glad when it is equal rights to marry & divorce for both LGBT's & straight couples in all the U.S.A.

It is the love between two people that counts.

I do agree with CarryingConcealed below in post #2. Too many children go to bed hungry.

The money spent on the lawsuits from both sides could be better used. This is where you approach people and use the laws of politics. New Mexico seems pretty open since they never banned it. Why resort to lawsuits?

Indeed! WGABRA!!!

and the National Center for Lesbian Rights

Can someone please explain to me why the gay community has to be segmented? F..king liberals, always gotta block people off. It's all about being tolerant, as long as you are just like us.

Yes I know I will get flamed for this comment (no pun intended).

But why o why does the homosexual community pine so much to be accepted into a religious institution such as marriage? Yes kids, marriage is a religious institution. As long as you, who mostly state on this board, that there is no God and keep professing against God, please explain to me why you feel the need to join folks who do have belief in honoring a religious institution?

Otherwise why not accept what is clearly defined as the same thing by law as a civil union where you can have a partner instead of a religious name like wife and husband? Please explain that to me. For me I am more than happy to grant you all legal status as that of people who are married as long as you get the legal documents that state you have the same legal responsibility to your partner as I do to my husband. What I am not willing to put up with is your pouting about being recognized by a religious belief that you have no intention of honoring.

Otherwise why not accept what is clearly defined as the same thing by law as a civil union where you can have a partner instead of a religious name like wife and husband? Please explain that to me.

Because. That is the only reason they feel they need...because.

The same peple that argue that everyone should be equal, apparently require seperate activist groups. How ironic is that?

um cherokee blonde marriage is not a religious institution, it was only assumed to be one because of the church trying to push its influence on society as a whole.. it is a legal institution that goes back before the birth of your christian religion. some come down off your high horse.

Lesbian couples sue New Mexico for right to marry

Oh screw you, nobody gives a rat's-ass.

This is garbage and not news.

um tainted you are quite wrong and being a bully. The idea of marriage, one man tied for life to one woman is absoulutely a Christian doctrine. It sure as heck isn't Muslim nor a gay idea. Again answer why do YOU feel the need to use a title that you purposely disdain?

Cherokee, marriage was a civil contract between 2 people (and consequently 2 families) before religion came along. Why do you think you have to get a license from the gov't before you can get married? You really think that marriage only came along with Christianity? LOL.. So do you think Romans never got married? Or Middle Easteners..Or any people that were around before Christ?

Why shouldn't the same civil contract between 2 women/men be called marriage? To make everybody equal, maybe we get rid of word 'marriage' from our lexicon, and just call every couple's 'legal status' a civil union.

@ Shipwrecked

But you read it didn't you!?

How does it feel to have your private Idaho being yanked out from under you by the liberals!

Get Over it...If everything goes as it should this will become a non-issue and you'll have something else to belly ache about!

CherokeeBlonde:

Marriage may be an institution sanctioned by religious organizations, but it is also a secular, civic institution recognized by governments. I surmise that only those who subscribe to the various religions are concerned about whether their religious institution recognizes same-sex marriages.

However, the operations and sanctions of secular, civic governments should not be based upon religious grounds; that's called separation of church and state, which is a hallmark of American society.

With regard to the use of the terms "husband" and "wife", these terms are common-usage terms and neither of them is the exclusive property of any religious organization.

Beyond all that, it seems to me that if two adults wish to marry each other, the government should not prevent them from doing so (why should it?), and should not penalize them buy denying them any rights or privileges afforded to any other adult couple.

And, in my opinion, the church can go fish.

CherokeeBlonde: Because New Mexico doesn't recognize civil unions either. It's marriage or nothing in this backward state. The only reason it's not in the NM Constitution is because when it was written 100 years ago, it wasn't thought of. They don't even want to learn English in this state, thinking the rest of the country should learn their bastardized version of Spanish.

Wow! and yes I knew as I stated that I would get flamed (no pun intended). I'm very sorry kiddies but the idea of marriage is in fact a Christian idea (you can argue amongst yourselves if its a flawed idea). If you are soo determined to use the term "married" then I suggest you are either trying to force your ideas into a mainstay of a religion that you mostly belittle for some kind of perverse pleasure or you simply don't understand that no matter how hard you try, no matter what the laws state, when you walk into a room with your "partner" you are not equal to the people in the room who have followed natures laws for pairing. Simply put, you may force acceptance at a legal level, but you will always be less than what you aspire to.

You may also be interested in the meaning and the usage of a wedding band. That tradition isn't as old as most people think.

CherokeeBlonde: I bet you believe the world is only about 4000 years old too! Huh?

CherokeeBlonde: You can't possibly be an American Indian because most tribes believe that homosexuals are special and treated better than the rest! They believe that Homosexuals infact have 2 souls. Look it up! (Use Google...it will help you to get the spelling correct!)

Um jeff.

No. I'm quite secure in understanding science and the idea of natural selection. The truth is that no homosexual relationship produces offspring. The only way that a homosexual reproduces is by indoctrination to what is to science an aberration. I really was relishing your kind of comment because you assumed that I was a devout type. Guess what...I'm not. But I am a scientist and all of my comments hold true. Homosexuals are trying to force their acceptance on religious structures, and wasting a lot of resources I might add, because of a vendetta. I neither care nor have any part of the game, but I do watch it as an outsider. Most of the "pro-marriage" name on this board are simply trying to force a recognition that will never be achieved.

The smartest thing would be to accept what is legal and leave it there, but you wont, and that's what I find typical and fascinating.

CherokeeBlonde: Cooking Meth does not make you a scientist!

It amazes me that people like Cherokee live in this country, if they truly believe what he/she has typed here. Your information about history is beyond flawed, but it seems people like you wouldn't believe the truth if it slapped you in the face..so you go on believing whatever it is that your religion has taught you about the institution of marriage. The rest of us out here know the truth, since we know how to read history books.

Anyone that lives in this country and doesn't want to allow equal rights to all, needs to get the eff out..just like some of those folks on the right like to say to us liberals.

CherokeeBlonde: No one is saying that any church would have to perform anything that went against their beliefs.

Personally I don't even believe in marriage as I have seen just too many hateful breakups! But NO ONE is going to tell me I am a second class citizen and that if I did have some sort of anurism and decided I did want to get married then I damn sure should be able to marry the person (Not Livestock) that also is of age and wants to do the same! I don't care if they are red, black yellow, white, Islamic, Christian, Agnostic, straight, gay, Republican or Democrat.

CherokeeBlonde: 1. Marriage is not mainly a religious term, it is a civil, legal term. Most marriages throughout history and the Christian world were legal contracts. Marriage is a relatively new 'sacrament' in Catholic/Christian theology. 2. Separate is never equal in the law. If everyone was issued a civil union license, there would be no more effort to achieve marriage equality. Equal is equal. The CA Supreme Ct. was cowardly in re-instituting the discredited separate but equal doctrine in upholding Prop. 8 that allows straight people to vote to keep a term just for themselves while marginalizing a minority. The Court should have used the equal protection clause [and the Golden Rule] to state that if marriage can't be used by all, then we'll all use civil unions instead. 3. Many religions hold marriage ceremonies on an equal basis regardless of the genders of the spouses. Why do you reject the religion of these many mainline denominations? What makes you think that gay couples don't want to honor these religious beliefs? FYI: This is not a flame.

Jeff, you're one kinky dude! But marriage is in fact a christian doctrine, and it may shock you to know, but the romans and all others before Jesus Christ were indeed married. You can tell by the comments on this board, these are not religeous people, if they were they might be homosexual, but they would not practice it.

and by the way , religeon did not begin with Jesus, It began a long time before, in a garden with Adam and Eve, the first husband and wife. Now I must go, so have fun ans continue to slander all!

most like was feisty and pigotry doing this so they can make it legal to suck on each other . cause god knows they really do SUCK!

Keep it behind closed doors. There are people that don't care to know that your Gay. So I say no to Gay Marriages. Everybody has there own 2 cents and that is mine. :)

Cherokee, amen, amen,amen. This insistence on being "married" is just a power play to scream for anything and everything whether they really want it or not. I too have no problem with them doing their own thing but homosexuals and heterosexuals are not the same any more than men and women are the same, just fricking admit to the obvious. Gays and lesbians real issue is with insurance companies, retirement plans, the IRS and whoever else tells them who can and cannot be their beneficiary or next of kin. Go talk to them.

Cherokee Blonde,

Your argument ultimately fails because atheists get married all the time. People of non-Christian religions get married all the time.

The truth is that marriage is a secular institution (while also being an institution that is a part of some religions).

Also, your assertion that Muslims don't marry, is false. Muslims have married long before Christianity existed. People who believe in Hinduism, Taoism, and many other religions have also married. And they married before Christianity even spread to those countries. In fact, your own Bible tells you that marriage existed before Christianity existed.

Thus marriage is not, nor has it ever been, a solely Christian religious institution. Unless, of course, you're saying your very own Bible is wrong.

It amazes me the mental gymnastics people will go through to outright deny facts.

On a somewhat related note..

Cherokee and Kevin,

When exactly did you oppose atheists using the word marriage? Or people of other faiths getting married? I'm just curious why people are suddenly so concerned with only Christians using the word marriage now, when people who are not Christian having been getting married and been using that term for quite some time.

And, as has been pointed numerous times -- the civil institution of marriage has nothing to do with the religious institution. If it did, it would a violation of the seperation of church and state. You can arm wave all you want, but it's patently clear this has nothing to do with your religious beliefs and everything to do with discrimination toward gays and lesbians. Please get a better argument. Or at the very least, be more consistent with your argument. Your bias is showing.

The legalization of gay marriage would not require churches to marry anyone. There are already laws in place that allow religious organizations to deny performing a religious marriage ceremony to whomever they want. Churches can refuse to marry people for not being a part of their congregation, for not taking part in their "marriage counseling", for not being of the right religion. They can refuse to marry them just because they don't like them. In fact, if a church said, "We think Black people marrying is against our religious beliefs and we won't marry them" they are legally allowed to do that. That Kentucky church that was recently in the news for refusing to perform interracial marriages -- legally allowed to do that.

However, what isn't legal is that when applying for a civil marriage license that the government deny people on the basis of things like skin color or religious affiliation. Government should also not be allowed to deny you because of sex of your partner.

Oh.. and another note..

I have to laugh at the person who asserted that marriage is only a "Christian doctrine" because religion has existed for all time. Even your own Bible will tell you that Christianity did not exist prior to Christ's birth. You are one very confused Christian if you don't even know that.

Then perhaps you "married" a*sholes should give up some of those benefits you get from the government for being "married". What? No! Of course not, you "religious" idiots need someone or something to feel superior to.

Lie about it if you wish, marriage was around a long time before Jesus. Your little book of fairy tales is lying to you again.

If your not religious and you oppose equality, your just an ignorant a*shole.

It's really pretty simple.

Are homosexuals and lesbians human beings? Yes.

Do they, as human beings, have civil rights? Yes.

DO they experience love? Yes.

So what @!$%#ing right does ANY state have to ceny them the "right" to marry? Marriage is NOt a bond with the government. It is a bond between people who love each other. We do not need a license to love. It is time to shove "legal" marriage down the throats of government. Cease getting marriage licenses at all. Simply start being married. make the license irrelevant. Be human.

Steve,

Equality for all or not at all!

And of course this would apply to the pedophile right? Or is there suddenly an "Exception" to your rally cry?

Homosexuality is a perversion just like pedophilies and both should be shunned by society.

Sihoban27, if you're going to point out misinformation that others have posted, you should be sure of your facts too. Muslims did not marry before Christians did. Christianity predates the Muslim religion by about 600 years.

Cherokee if Marriage is a Christian institution...then how come peole were getting married for thousands of years before Christ was born?

All over the world

Including places where there was no knowledge of the God of Christians or Jews....

Hmmm

Also you assume, very incorrectly, that there are no Christians who are gay.

Who are you to speak for God or pass judgement?

Millknee And Pedophiles (most of whom are heterosexual) prey on underage kids, children are not capable of giving informed consent...unlike two adult gay people. So your 'argument' is as meaningless as all bigoted arguments are.

Milknee,

You're correct. I made an error there. Christianity rose as a religion prior to Islam. Poor recall on my part.

The Original Mac,

Please get a new argument. The act of homosexuality is not illegal, pedophilia is. There is no data to show that engaging in homosexuality is psychologically harmful to the participants. There is an OVERWHELMING amount of data to show that pedophilia is highly damaging to children.

People once believed that women who enjoyed sex were deviant, psychologically damaged and sinful. Are you now going to claim that women who enjoy sex are the same as pedophiles?

CherokeeBlonde:

Yes I know I will get flamed for this comment (no pun intended).

Before I go on, after reading the very considerate replies countering your posts, it comes across as a defensive mechanism or meme to make your point seem valid, but I digressed enough;

But why o why does the homosexual community pine so much to be accepted into a religious institution such as marriage? Yes kids, marriage is a religious institution.

Marriage is not a religious institution, it only is made so, by those who are against same sex marriage as they have no legitimate argument otherwise. Marriage is simply a ceremony celebrating the binding of two people in a committed union and was such long before religion was put upon it. It is also a legal contract between two people.

As long as you, who mostly state on this board, that there is no God and keep professing against God, please explain to me why you feel the need to join folks who do have belief in honoring a religious institution?

I was raised in a Catholic home and went to Catholic schools through K-12 schooling, where religion was a mandatory part of the curriculum. Never did I hear or read in the bible that god made such a claim. If you've become god's ambassador or spokesperson, please show us the documents.

Otherwise why not accept what is clearly defined as the same thing by law as a civil union where you can have a partner instead of a religious name like wife and husband? Please explain that to me.

How demanding of you since any civil union law made for same sex couples would not allow for the same legal rights you have as a straight couple in actual an marriage contract, this is fact. Unless you agree that all civil unions are deemed equal in that marriage is also a civil union (and technically it is), then it won't ever be equal. And where did you get the notion that "husband and wife" are religious terms, or are secular justices of the peace not allowed to use those terms in a marriage ceremony?

For me I am more than happy to grant you all legal status as that of people who are married as long as you get the legal documents that state you have the same legal responsibility to your partner as I do to my husband.

Marriage is not a responsibility made into law, whether civil or otherwise, but it is a contract. The only time civil law comes into play, is when the commitment is to be broken where the two involved agree to part ways for their respective reasons, where community assets are then divided and determined on what basis and amount by civil courts. No mention of religion is noted in the civil proceedings unless noted that one or both in the party in question makes such claims. Even then, that is not a consideration in the courts. You don't go to church to get a legal divorce, do you?

What I am not willing to put up with is your pouting about being recognized by a religious belief that you have no intention of honoring.

Marriage is not a religious belief, it is a commitment between two people and can be performed by religious institutions or otherwise. The act of getting married (as in marriage) is not exclusively performed by religious institutions. My wife is a Buddhist, and I am Agnostic/Atheist and we had our marriage performed by a justice of the peace where no mention of god was in the wording of the ceremony. Still, my marriage is legally recognized by civil law with all the rights that come with it that you have with yours, and I didn't need a religious institution to make that so.

What's interesting, is that you seem to indicate that it has to be a religious ceremony to make it a valid marriage, when I just gave you an example that it is not so. As an aside, your very mention of science, namely your mention of natural selection (in further comments), as an argument against same sex marriage is just ludicrous. Science has nothing to do with marriage and marriage has everything to do with what it means between two consenting adults.

All in all, and whether you call this flaming or not, you prove with your own words what a hard core bigot is all about. You also prove this by using pseudoscience (you know, natural selection) and religious intolerance to the gay community. You should do this though;, read Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution, regarding the "Full faith and Credit" clause. That alone kills DOMA and any state laws that refuse to recognize same sex marriage.

Siobhan27

Please get a new argument

No thanks, I'll stick with the truth.

Are you now going to claim

I know this old trick. It's when you try and put YOUR words in to the mouth of people whom you don't want to hear THEIR words. Nice try.

The act of homosexuality is not illegal

Yes it is, just ask God. You just don't get it.

Original Mac,

Well, my God says believing in any other god is sinful. And your god is not my God. So I guess your religious beliefs are illegal. I mean, that would be the logical conclusion here. If my religion says something is sinful, it should be illegal. Your religious beliefs are sinful to my God, so your religion should be illegal.

Siobhan27 said;

The act of homosexuality is not illegal

The Original Mac then said;

Yes it is, just ask God. You just don't get it.

Interestingly, since the dawn of Christianity, your omnipotent absentee father has to yet once come down to enforce his bigoted laws. And when he did in biblical terms to correct this situation twice, he failed both times. However, in spite of my atheism and my optimistic views, it is possible that he just decided that the human nature he created should be left to those who are born the way they are.

Siobhan27

Thanks for seeing what I'm saying.

Tommy6860

I don't want to even try and enter your demented world. Good luck.

Cherokee,

No. I'm quite secure in understanding science and the idea of natural selection. The truth is that no homosexual relationship produces offspring. The only way that a homosexual reproduces is by indoctrination to what is to science an aberration. I really was relishing your kind of comment because you assumed that I was a devout type. Guess what...I'm not. But I am a scientist and all of my comments hold true. Homosexuals are trying to force their acceptance on religious structures, and wasting a lot of resources I might add, because of a vendetta.

Well, if you're a scientist, I assume then that you know:

1.) Homosexual behavior has been documented in many, many species.

2.) That in many species there are non-reproducing members of the species. For example, in bees most of the hive never reproduces. However, bees as a species still exist.

3.) Also, seeing as that you are an scientist who claims to know something about natural selection, then I assume you know of a seminal theory within evolutionary theory called "kin selection." This theory essentially states that individuals can pass down genes without direct reproduction by helping out their genetically related kin. Kin selection is well accepted part of evolutionary theory and has been for 50 years. So, anyone who knew literally anything about evolutionary theory and natural selection would know that direct reproduction is not necessary for one's genes to be passed down. Yet, your post seems to claim otherwise..

I'm beginning to suspect that you are not a scientist. And if you are a scientist, you are not a scientist in a field that studies anything related to what you are talking about given that you don't even seem to know of basic theories within the fields you are discussing.

On a side note -- Original Mac is a troll. I would recommend not responding to him (nor should I have responded to him earlier. Lesson learned).

The Original Mac:

Tommy6860

I don't want to even try and enter your demented world. Good luck.

Off topic, but tell me with your god, that it was ok for him to kill millions of people. That condoning, promoting and allowing the mass murder, rape, slavery, incest and pillaging of millions in his name to be an acceptable form of godly glorification and that you should give your unquestioning praise of him? And you think I live in a demented world! Your god created this of what you abhor, yet it is he in your beliefs who has the power to create the beings and the universe we live in, and he couldn't think of other means to promote his love?

Tommy6860

Ask God. And again, good luck.

The Original Mac said:

Tommy6860

Ask God. And again, good luck.

Good luck is right, because that would be a serious requirement to get an answer from something that doesn't exist or refuses to be exposed.

What's interesting is when questioned to your beliefs that you espouse in previous comments, you defer to one who will never answer; go figure!!

This goes right along with someone in which I had a similar conversation, who at one time gave me a similar answer, and it is relevant. When I ask this person to what they have for proof to their beliefs, this person said it is because s/he has "faith". Well, I replied this; "Faith", an answer for those who believe, when they don't have the answers". I still stand by that.

Tommy6860

And this is why you stand alone.

The Original Mac:

And this is why you stand alone.

It's because you insist on placing your words on the shoulders of that of whom will never come to you in her/his defense. In all of these comments you made, you never put one of those words as your own, while applying them to some god in whom you believe. This conversation is over, as it is obvious your intent is to deflect your *own* bigoted reasoning to belonging to that which you cannot prove, and it is disingenuous as well as tedious!

Tommy6860

It's because you insist on placing your words

There not my words, they are Gods.

Yes I agree. You should stop talking to me.

Excellent post, Sums up All of the current nonsense

I would agree...sums it up very nicely.

Carryingconcealed, We angry old white guy moderates that do not have penis envy about guns think you rwnjs are the selfish ones. Why do you all want to kick us oldsters & our grandkids under the bus, and pander to the bishops who want to be American Royalty and his ilk?

Would you give up your guns as well??? I doubt it. Would you allow you wife to die impoverished when you die and you're not married and your money goes to the state. You conservatives always with this you, you, you bit, until it really impacts you and you figure out you're screwed.

So, you got married and anyone who wants to get married is a selfish liberal who is silly and pathetic. Just making sure I understood this correctly.

No one forced you to marry anyone, but here you are married. What possible reason did you have for it and why is that reason better than anyone else's?

I actually have no clue what point you're trying to make, dante, and I suspect you don't either.

I'm a man, my partner is a woman, and DOMA says we can can be legally married by definition. This is why I got married.

You're silly and pathetic because you have no sense of priorities. As I stated, I would be willing to trade my legal right to be married if this liberal-infested, sorry excuse for a country would start focusing our resources on what's important, and ignore what's not (i.e. gay marriage). And yes, I would even be willing to give up my guns in exchange for doing what's right by our children, Mark, but the question is: would you be willing to give up any of your rights you selfishly hold so dear to the exclusion of all that's actually important?

And give up the tired "penis-envy" comments, COG. Just makes you look like you're lazy and lack creativity.

A homosexual/lesbian couple want to give their partners and families the same security that marriage brings to your family CC. That is all that they want. And it's a damn shame that they have to waste time and money to sue the government to get the equal rights that the Constitution guarantees all of us. I think you're angry at the wrong people here CC. Its the conservative part of this country that is wasting money and resources preventing same sex marriage, not the liberal half. The liberal half is simply fighting for their equal rights.

COG,

What in the world are you talking about?

Your a lying ignorant douche' bag.

It is most certainly NOT liberals who attempt to deny others human rights and dignity.

It is of course you moronic conservatards who are constantly lying to the American public. Whether your lying about corporate welfare, or lying about the 2nd amendment, or watching as your appointed president allows a terrorist attack to take place on our soil and then invades a country that had NOTHING to do with said attack.

Thank goodness your ilk are dying out, and those coming along are by and large progressive and liberals. Once you idiots die off we just might have a shot at improving the quality of life for more than just the rich f*cks who bought the rethuglican party.

Breightbart rots in hell

ronnieraygun and bushthejunior are traitors.

Let gays have "civil Unions" with all the rights marriage brings to normal couples. (yes I used "normal" becasue under nature gays would die off, and normal couples would have kids). I say the states should counter sue them to reclame all the taxpayer money they waisted on such stupid lawsuits.

Grownupguy, talk about a misnamer, Yes the Liberials gave us AIDS, and most of the other STD's. They pervert the lanuage and call a spending increase a cut. They blame everyone but themselves. They want everyone else to take responsibility for there failures. It is no wonder why I choose not to be a member of the Demonic party.

Carrying concealed,

Your argument is "I don't care what you think your rights are. I think there are other things more important than your rights, so shut up about it."

So, to be totally clear -- by your logic, if say a group of Christians thought their religious rights were being infringed upon (let's say, because a bunch atheists decided they should not be allowed to a build a church in their community), would you be just as quick to say "There are WAY more important things than you bitching about your rights. Shut up."

And I'm sure your response will be "But that's different. Christians have a constitutional right to practice their religion." But, whether you agree with it or not, gays and lesbians believe they have a constitutional right to be treated equally under the law. So, no dear, you don't get to decide what's "important enough" to fight for. Of course, you can share your opinion on what you think is important enough -- but it's pretty sad to claim someone is "selfish" for fighting for what they believe is their Constitutional right. And definitely odd when you call liberals selfish when many of them are not gays and lesbians, but are fighting for what they believe are the Constitutional rights of other people (jeez.. how terribly selfish of those people...).

On a side note, many of us selfish liberals would fight for your rights if you were being discriminated against even if other people didn't think it was "important enough."

The cog is a moron....uhhhhhhhhhhh,yep.

Yes having the same basic human rights as anyone else is sooooo unreasonable. I mean something that goes to the very core of your humanity is really now worth fighting for is it?

Idiot.

Carrying Concealed,

Sense of priority? Gay people find their families important and you think that such a thing is a selfish pathetic diversion?

Here is a plan that follows your own advice. Instead of spending money on your pointless marriage ceremony and receiving benefits, dissolve it now and make up for all that wasted money by donating the exact sum to your local orphanage. I can't believe how selfish you have been. How dare you force us to recognize your insignificant little relationship when we could have been saving the Earth or something.

You're going to start a revolution by making this step brother! Let us know when your divorce is finalized and the check clears so we can all be inspired!

grownupguy - You certainly don't sound too "grown up" with all of your childish name-calling.

"Your a lying ignorant douche' bag." (Should be "You're" by the way)

"you moronic conservatards"

"Once you idiots die off"

" the rethuglican party."

If you can't make your point without resorting back to 5th grade then maybe you should go back in the basement and resume sucking your thumb.

Siobahn - Try something other than the liberal go-to analogy of religion, "dear." I'm an atheist and couldn't care less about the rights of organized religion. Why you silly liberals continue to believe that anyone who is not a liberal must be a bible-thumping conservative is beyond me, but I'm guessing it allows you to hide from the stark truth that there are millions and millions in this country who simply disagree with your putrid, self-serving platform for no other reason than we see how it's rotting this country from the inside out.

dante - I didn't say that homos don't find their families important, but they don't need to be married to take care of those families, now do they? Being able to get married isn't as important as ensuring that every child in this country is cared for, fed and well-educated, or any of the numerous other issues that more important, is it? Like I said, it's just a matter of priorities and you liberals have none. And regarding donating money to the local orphanage...sure thing, just as soon as you sell your home, give the proceeds to the first Native American you see, and then self-deport since you liberals love to talk about how we stole their country from them as a way of trying to justify the rampant illegal immigration that makes this country less than what it can be. You first...

carryingconcealed,

Well in case you haven't realized, the benefits associated with marriage aid a couple's ability to provide for children. Also, in case you haven't realized, gay adoption aids in reducing the number of orphaned children. In addition to that, marriages can be stronger and provide a more stable environment for children in the presence of social backing and support (as opposed to public and institutional antagonism, who needs that kind of strain on their relationship?)

I wasn't the one claiming that anything and everything is selfish if you aren't providing for every single child with every single thing you do. I was giving you some advice as to how you could accomplish your self-professed goal of providing for every single child in the country before ever getting married.

Am I to assume that you are saying that you refuse to dissolve your marriage and donate to orphanages unless I sell my house? Be brave son. You can stand up for your own convictions, you don't need me to. How can I understand your point of view if you don't even believe it? I don't want you to dissolve your marriage, but I'm hearing that marriage is selfish and pitiful. I just don't understand why you are married if you think it is wrong. Are you upset that you got married? Do you need some more ideas as to how you can support more children through your actions?

Why do you need me to sell my house before you do something you would want to do? Are you scared? Do you secretly want to be married? If so, maybe you can understand my first response. If you have a valid reason you want to be married, it may be possible that another person has a valid reason for wanting to be married. Lucky you, no one is trying to stop you legislatively from doing it or calling you a selfish jerk for doing it. Isn't that nice?

Oh lookey, dante fancies himself a psychoanalyst. Isn't that sweet how he still plays dress-up.

Gee, I don't know, dante, are you stalking my posts because you are secretly a frustrated liberal in search of the truth? Are you unwilling to sell your home and self-deport because the reality is that you have no passion or conviction behind the hypocritical, nonsensical pablum that continues to spew from both sides of your mouth?

Are we to assume that you are a hypocrite who has no problem asking others to do something that you yourself haven't the balls to do? Are you secretly feeling guilty that you are a member of the faux party of tolerance and compassion? Have you finally figured out that as you and your ilk continue expand your voting base of government-dependent parasites, that it leaves no room to actually execute on the lies you continue to perpetuate around wanting to help the less fortunate because you know if you actually did, and they were able to experience a better life, that they'd defect in droves?

Listen, I understand, and my advice to you is that you resolve to make tonight the last night you and your unicorn sleep atop your candy-coated rainbow whilst butterflies gently tickle your eyelashes as they flutter gently around your soft, cherubic face, and when you wake up tomorrow, hold your arms out to your side, breathe in a huge lungful of reality and commit to getting your priorities straight, stop focusing on yourself, and help make this country everything it's capable of being.

Oh no. You've confused me with yourself. I haven't advocated anything or asked anyone to do anything. I was under the impression that you were the one who was saying everyone who isn't selfish wouldn't want to be married. This was your proposal. I was just curious what was stopping you. Personally I don't agree. You're asking all gay people to give up on marriage to save the whales or something, they aren't asking you to do anything. Who says I'm even liberal? I haven't said anything about immigration. Who are you talking to? I'm Dante. Don't confuse me with your pet straw man Imaginary Dante

whine much ?

also Shawn, that's the point, why does it matter to straight people? Gay people can't live their lives just like the rest of us straight people and this is fundamentally unfair. There are a lot of things we take for granted that we are allowed to do as married heterosexual people...for example, the ability to have your children on either spouses insurance depending on who gets the best insurance (just one of many things that married people are allowed to do). Non married gay people would typcially have their children jointly but one parent would be the official/legal parent and thus you cannot do those things. Or Next of kin, power of attorney rights, tax filing etc...

if you want to get married move to CA

you haven't been following the case about Prop 8, have you?

What isn't fair that children are subjected to this lifestyle without any recourse

sneakyrick

What isn't fair that children are subjected to this lifestyle without any recourse.

You mean they would be better off with heterosexual couples that abuse, teach intolerance and neglect? Not saying all do as that would be dumb, but I am saying I would rather have a child with a homosexual couple than with a heterosexual couple that have horrible teachings and habits they inflict on their children.

State of Awareness

sneakyrick

What isn't fair that children are subjected to this lifestyle without any recourse.

You mean they would be better off with heterosexual couples that abuse, teach intolerance and neglect? Not saying all do as that would be dumb, but I am saying I would rather have a child with a homosexual couple than with a heterosexual couple that have horrible teachings and habits they inflict on their children.

You assume all homosexual couples are perfect... rest assured they have abuse, intolerance and all that just as much... hetero or homo ....abuse and perversion run rampant in both.

Gay people aren't shoving their agenda down your throat. You just sat there and demanded that people drop their lives and move from New Mexico to Massachusetts because you want to shove your opinions down their throat and dictate their entire life. Do you really think it's okay for you to dictate where someone can live and who they can marry? That freedom you take for granted is them shoving it down your throat?

Tell me then, what are they asking you to do? How much will it cost you? What is the inconvenience on you? Explain to me clearly how many jobs you have to turn down, how many houses you have to sell, how many grandchildren you have to leave just to get married. Then you can come back and talk about how unfair it is to you. You who just read an article and got frustrated about people he never met doing something of no consequence to you that you are free to do yourself if you want.

Shawn, they would like to "live their lives like everyone else". But, the government won't let them, including NM. They have no right to provide medical information if their partner is in an accident; they are not considered next of kin, in the event of death; they are not allowed to claim joint income on their taxes, they must file single; they aren't allowed to participate in their partner's health insurance or life insurance, or even be granted the estate they might have helped to acquire during their life together, should one of them die. Those are all things you "married" people get to enjoy; yet, these people, who love each other and are just as committed to each other are you are to your wife, don't have the same RIGHT to those things, all because of YOUR PREJUDICES.

Don't like Gay Marriage?

Don't marry one!

Problem solved

Shosyn

State of Awareness

sneakyrick

What isn't fair that children are subjected to this lifestyle without any recourse.

You mean they would be better off with heterosexual couples that abuse, teach intolerance and neglect? Not saying all do as that would be dumb, but I am saying I would rather have a child with a homosexual couple than with a heterosexual couple that have horrible teachings and habits they inflict on their children.

You assume all homosexual couples are perfect... rest assured they have abuse, intolerance and all that just as much... hetero or homo ....abuse and perversion run rampant in both.

Where did I say that homosexuals are all perfect? My point was that it opens the door for other homes that would be better than other circumstances that are occuring. It gives the adoption services a larger pool to pull from for kids.

Controverter:

There was once a time in America when voting was a privilege reserved for white adult males only.

people like you should never be allowed to breed nor should you be allowed to raise children

Your parents should never have had children. They probably left you on a doorstep, explains your ignorance and intolerance.

sneakyrick, your handle is almost correct, but shouldn't it be sneakyprick?

If it's only about benefits and money - then why do you care?

Do you really think having someone pay more for taxes or insurance is going to somehow encourage them to "stop being gay"? Denying someone from being bedside of a dying partner will make them suddenly attracted to the opposite sex?

oh little ricky, your so scary. Do you always try to intimidate from behind a key board?

Jump little froggy, JUMP!

Do you really think having someone pay more for taxes or insurance is going to somehow encourage them to "stop being gay"? Denying someone from being bedside of a dying partner will make them suddenly attracted to the opposite sex?

because ultimately, it's not really about trying to encourage or coerce them to change their behavior, it's just an attempt to punish them for something the law doesn't even consider to be a crime.

The church, minister, etc. would win the case.

Zavier weed said:

Correct me if I am wrong but don't we all already have equal rights when it comes to marriage. We are all allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex. Sounds equal to me! Seems like gay people want special rights.

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You are right Zavier:

They are a SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP.

Hillary Clinton performed magnificently to further her bid for President in 2016, by being the first to announce her 'feelings' regarding the LGBT communities and how they should have the 'right' to be happy [through marriage].

Nice try but no cigar. By defintition, marriage being between a man and woman or male and female...that leaves out members of the AFOREMENTIONED 'Communities'.

She had 'brag' moment about how her daughter, Chelsea is happy. So everyone should be happy like Chelsea, yes?

That is all fine and dandy but I will venture to say that she would not have been TIP TOEING THROUGH THE TULIPS had Chelsea had announced she wanted to wed her 'girlfriend'.

I am so sorry Ms. Clinton, MISSED THE MARK by 'stepping down' for an unworthy cause that belongs in the 'Hall of Shame', rather than 'stepping up' to protect and defend the rights of those, (nearing 6 MILLION), Adoptees, who are SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS and have been for decades.

Thousands, upon thousands, to be sure, are also looking to be HAPPY? How can we be happy? By being able to request and receive our ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES, like every other natural-born citizens in this country, for a nominal fee. Tragically, we are barred from doing this in most of the states in the U.S.

WE are truly SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS and only ask for our original birth certificates. We have and continue to suffer and it needs to stop. NOW!

Are there any Independents or dare I say, Republicans? who will speak up for the Cause of the Adult Adoptees and for RIGHTEOUSNESS and JUSTICE?