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Subscribe to RSSInvestigators are looking into whether a paroled white supremacist may have killed a pizza delivery man and gunned down the top prisons official in Colorado before he led Texas authorities on a wild chase and shootout. NBC's Kristen Dahlgren reports.
Shell casings from the same type of ammunition that was used in the slaying of the top prisons official in Colorado were also found near the car of a paroled white supremacist who led Texas police on a wild chase and shootout, authorities said in court records filed Friday.
Investigators are looking into whether the parolee, Evan Spencer Ebel, 28 — who died Thursday after the chase and shootout in Texas — may also have killed a pizza delivery man and Colorado Corrections Director Tom Clements, who was shot to death at his front door Tuesday night in the Denver suburbs.
Authorities from Colorado were in Texas on Friday, examining the car for evidence that might tie Ebel to the Colorado killings.
In a search warrant (.pdf) seeking permission to search the car Ebel was driving, Texas Rangers told a Wise County judge that Hornady 9mm shell casings were recovered at the scene of the shootout in Decatur, which it said were the same brand and caliber used to kill Clements.
Authorities from both states offered few other details Friday about what evidence they have turned up and stressed that the investigation was still open.
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One theory is that the Colorado gunman killed the delivery man for his uniform and used the disguise to get Clements to open the door. Investigators also believe the spree may be connected to a gang of white supremacists who are still in prison.
"We don't know yet exactly whether this is the guy," Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper told reporters. "There's some indication. I hope it is."
Wise County, Texas, Sheriff David Walker said investigators had "no idea" why Ebel was in Texas. Medical examiners ruled Friday that he died of a single gunshot wound to the middle of the forehead.
Two days later and hundreds of miles away, late Thursday morning in Texas, authorities came across a dark sedan in a traffic stop. The man inside shot a sheriff's deputy three times before speeding away.
As more police followed, the man opened fire again.
"When he came by me, he was running I'd say around 100 miles an hour, just had his left arm out the window, and he was just shooting," Decatur Police Chief Rex Hoskins said. "He wasn't planning on being taken alive."
Authorities say the suspect collided with an 18-wheeler, got out of his car and kept firing until officers shot him. Medical examiners in Tarrant County, Texas, said Ebel died Thursday afternoon.
Inside the suspect's mangled car, authorities found a pizza delivery uniform that police believe may be linked to the murder of Nathan Leon, a Domino's delivery man, Sunday in Golden, Colo.
The car in the crash had a Colorado license plate and matched at least the vague description of the car that was seen outside Clements' home.
The deputy who made the traffic stop, Montague County, Texas, sheriff's Deputy James Boyd, was wearing a bulletproof vest and was taken to a hospital in Fort Worth. He was recovering Friday.
Sources told NBC station KUSA of Denver that Ebel had been recruited into a white supremacist gang called the 211 Crew.
Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, said the gang was extremely vicious. He said it requires its members who leave prison to make money through criminal enterprises and return it to gang leaders.
He said the gang has a "blood in, blood out" ideology, meaning its members must carry out a violent attack to get in and can't get out until they themselves die.
The gang was implicated in the 1997 killing of an African immigrant at a Denver bus stop. One of its members, Nathan Thill, pleaded guilty to murder and said at his sentencing that the immigrant was wearing an "enemy uniform," which Potok said was understood to mean black skin.
The gang is believed to have several hundred to 1,000 members, most of them in Colorado prisons. It gets its name from a section of the California penal code that deals with robbery. Potok said it wasn't clear why the gang was named for that section.
"The bulk of it is still inside the prisons, but increasingly they're spilling out onto the streets," he said. "A lot of drug-running, weapons trafficking, other crimes. They're well-known for the harshness of the discipline on members — disobey a rule and you're risking your life or a serious beating."
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This story was originally published on Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:32 PM EDT
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Media has always divided up extremists by race.
White extremists are always called White Supremacist and never White Militant.
Black extremists are always called Black Militant and never Black Supremacist.
Uh, Bruce...why is it irrelevant to the news story to discuss motive? You LIKE white racists?
Of course you know the more we fight among ourselves over race, guns, etc. the more this administration can do behind our backs right? Not to mention the less they have to deal with real issues. or explain themselves to a population that is liable to lynch the whole lot of them should they ever wake up...its called an agenda.
Wake up sheeple.
Another piece of @!$%# let out to take lives. I'm curious why he was in prison the first time. Likely gun related.
Haggisbingo
It is easy to get both when you STEAL them...
"probably"....anything after the word as well as the terms "likely", or "If"... is pure conjecture.
K3HY.......we call all of them criminals. Who cares about folks like you who are upset that you can't call them N#ggers instead....am I correct?
haggisbingo -
A criminal can always get his hands on a gun. THANK GOODNESS he can't vote!
Gee - I don't remember reading anything about "Assault weapons" being used. Course I bet you cut and paste your replies just about everywhere, right? No matter what the story......
Yah... walking in the door to fill out a ballot or plop down your cash for a piece of paper is sooooo dificult.
What difference does it make if the media says white spremacist or black militant...if a horrible crime has been commited? Why do we get so caught up in labels? This fool killed innoncent people whether he was a white supremacist or a white militant it is horrible!!!
White supremacists call themselves that. In prisons the Aryan Brotherhood members usually have a tattoo somewhere among all the others that says "SWP" which stands for "supreme white power". The blacks are called "militants" because of the groups they belonged to back in the 60's, the SLA and Black Panthers, etc who styled themselves after military coup groups and wore all the garb, along with assault weapons. So the media is just using the names that the groups themselves identified with all along.
The government, through the media, will always keep us divided. This guy is a dirt bag and it is good that he is dead. His race is irrelevant. He is a murderer....which is relevant.
White supremacists, black supremacists, muslim extremists, ____— supremacists (your choice).....simply hate filled people who are dangerous because of their racist and/or religious ideology. All different races, all the same mentality.
To steal a bit of Savage for another 'ism, like liberalism, racism is a mental disorder.
Supreme would indicate some sort of extraordinary character so this white supremest demonstrated supreme what?
The Southern Poverty Law Center identifies and targets all hate groups, regardless of race. We'll all be better off without any of them.
I suppose there are White Militant groups but the Supremacist tag relates to the feeling these guys have that the White Race was superior. That is why they use Nazi symbols.
They have even twisted the bible to try and make the connection of superiority.
There are other Supremacist groups from other religions and races.
Black Militants developed as Blacks tried to fight for equal rights in a time when they were expected to ride in the back of the bus, eat elsewhere, and not use the same water fountains the white folk were allowed to use, among other injustices. They felt they had to war for equality.
Cory: "It is easy to get [guns] when you STEAL them..."
Richard Schmidt, the convicted felon, killer and right-wing neo-Nazi, had 18 guns when apprehended.
James "Whitey" Bulger had 29 guns in his Santa Monica apartment when the 16 year man-hunt caught up with him.
The NRA dodge/lie/propaganda is criminals will always get guns. They steal them. No, dummies, they buy them. Every single gun they've been able to trace, from these two criminal's arsenals, was bought from a private seller or at a gun show.
What most of us Americans want is to reduce the number/lethality of guns in the hands of criminals, and to trace these guns to the asswipes who sold them to these criminals. Then we want to fine and/or jail these people.
A very small percentage of gun owners (and the NRA of course) block this. They have this fantasy that if the Feds have a database of gun sales then Nancy Pelosi will come for their guns.
For heaven's sake, I think you can take her.
JOregon
I suppose there are black supremacists, too. But I haven't heard of any being involved in a murder spree lately. KH3Y seems to be more upset that it's been reported the killer was a white supremacists than by the killing. Maybe he would be happier with the AP story I saw this morning. The AP article omitted the fact that this guy was a white supremacist. Maybe AP didn't want to make white supremacists look bad?
criminal history including convictions for assault, aggravated robbery, menacing and weapons violations.
WOW, Boston Bob posting on another story with no clue and spreading liberal lies. The NRA SUPPORTS a national background check for all guns purchases. Hey dummy, criminals BUY them illegally AND steal them.
SEE???
The death penalty in Texas works!!
(this post is facetious; don't take it at face value)
clueless: "The NRA SUPPORTS a national background check..."
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Thank you Bob in Bean Town for pointing out that many guns used in crime were legally purchased. Criminals don't need to steal guns. The NRA has made it easy for them to buy guns legally to commit crimes. Sensible people want to close that loophole, but, as you say, a small percentage of gun owners and the NRA don't.
Whether this alleged killer was a supremacist or a militant is totally irrelevant. He had a gun (or guns) and was engaged in using it against law enforcement, and possibly innocent civilians. He deserved to be stopped, by lethal force if necessary.
The problem, which seems to be lost in trivial argument over semantics, is that there are thousands like him in this country, and they have no difficulty buying guns legally to attack us at will. The NRA and its supporters are fighting hard to keep it that way.
Bob in Boston
Whitey Bulger was Irish mob not a white supremacist.
Was Tom Clemens, the prison official this man killed, black? While we don't like to discuss the matter of race in this country anymore for fear of being called "racist", I think the race of the victim could be relevant in this case since it could have been part of Ebel's motive for killing him if, in fact, he did kill him. I don't recall reading anything about Clemens race, though.
LMAO the guys body hasn't cooled yet but they are derermined to convict him
I always wait for proof before getting my shorts in a wad
Hey Rick, Bob in Boston is not much on facts. Typical liberal
Nobody seam to be labeling him for what he realy is, a right wing nut job.
White supremacist = Extreme Tea Party
Are organizations that hate "hate groups", hate groups?
@ Jumpmaster82
"Supreme would indicate some sort of extraordinary character so this white supremest demonstrated supreme what?"
Supreme ego? Supreme stupidity? Supreme bigotry? Supreme bloodshed? Supreme cream sauce...
Rick: "Whitey Bulger was Irish mob not a white supremacist."
Read my post again, son. I purposely did not use big words, so you should be able to sound it out.
An Islamic radical gunman is called a "a gunman", a leftist radical gunman is called a "gunman", while a white supremacist gunman is called a "white supremacist gunman".
clueless: "The NRA SUPPORTS a national background check..."
No, they actually don't. They are also responsible for laws that dealers don't even have to keep track of their own inventory, as well as weakening the ATF's ability to enforce the laws that are on the books.
They are the reason, with their Republican Senate cronies, that the ATF currently does not have a director.
Perhaps clueless should look into the actual facts instead of reading NRA b.s.
Travis,
Not sure we got your viewpoint. Please be more clear on your stance.
Reno 911 - Just a little FYI. The victim was not a "warden". He was the Director of the Department of Corrections for the state of Colorado. He was actually the boss of all the wardens. Thus, it seems likely that the perp was pissed off at the whole prison system, probably because he was jailed and felt he didn't deserve it, although almost certainly did deserve it.
clueless (is right)
Try again clueless
‘Universal Background Checks’ – Absolutely Not
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2013/1/universal-background-checks-%E2%80%93-absolutely-not.aspx?s=background+checks&st=&ps=
The NRA SUPPORTS a national background check for all guns purchases
The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/3/statement-from-chris-w-cox-nra-ila-executive-director-regarding-inaccurate-nbc-story-alleging-that-nra-wont-oppose-background-check-bill.aspx
Shame to be a White Supremacist you need to be White isn't it? I mean it's hard to blame Blacks. :)
Yeah, it's always the media's fault and NEVER the perp's isn't it? *facepalm*
Learn to spell them first, then complain.
More race baiting by MSNBC people continue to fall for it no need to worry about the crumbling economy though
He's called a "White Supremacist" because that's how he was affiliated in Prison and elsewhere, not as a tagline. If you're upset that someone from your group was named as the suspect take it up with the moron who shot people not the media.
Only race baiting I see are from trolls like you and your WS friends. :)
I guess Prison has a lot of computers judging by the amount of support that moron has on this thread. :) Everyone of you who support that freak should join him, immediately. :)
reno 911,
This whole story is a bit bizarre in that aspect isn't it.
Why even point out that he is a white supremisist unless he was nixing other races....I suppose since it was an organized effort by a gang of them maybe...some other group of extremists should retaliate. I'd like it if they all just killed eachother in a gigantic battle so the rest of us who can get along, be friends even, can live in peace.
NBC is a government puppet sometimes.....and increasingly obvious about it too!
No, and neither was his wife.
Jeff,
I'm with you. If you support this guy, go join him.
I really hope all supremasists just have a huge apocopyptic battle with eachother where they all die and the rest of us can live in peace and actually get along with eachother.
Another crazed Fox News viewer acting out.
I think they had to say a "White" supremecist because they knew all you posters would blame Barack Obama's "Black" Chicago gangbangers for the crime. You must really be shocked he wasn't Black and not from Southside Chicago. Like Ann Coulter said, "White people don't have a gun problem," so this story probably isn't true. I'm sure the Prison Chief is off on vacation somewhere and the police killed an innocent "White" man exercising his 2nd amendment right to bear arms against tyranny.
Allen,
How can one blame black chicago gangbangers for the actions of a white supremacist prison gang in Colorado?.....bit of a stretch don't you think?
Although given the average intelligence level in here, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say someone probably posted that black chicago gangsters were somehow involved above somewhere...lol.
troy:
I suspect the above mugshot would closely resemble, at least in attitude and intelligence, about three-quarters of those posting here.
Allen:
If one could perform a total head transplant on Ann Coulter, she would then be a solid 4-1/2. She is, incidentally, a perfect example of 'civilization' with 'civility' having been removed. Schooled in the same vacuum as Rush Limbaugh.
Colorado salutes Officer James Boyd. We send our gratitude, and hope for a speedy and complete recovery. Thanks for taking out our trash.
It isn't profiling Travis if you actually do the crime. It called "probable cause and reasonable suspicion." Shooting at a cop is reasonable suspicion to me.
The relevance of comments on these 'gun news' threads has reached lows not seen since the last Ice Age.
"If their not filled with Meth they are filled with evil."
"Their" certainly not filled with stupid - that quality has been totally monopolized by a certain, nameless (not to mention usless) assembly of socially irrelavents.
I'd like to know why he was in prison and how long he was jailed before he was paroled. I'm betting that he should have never been let out.
SDN,
lmfao!! It's funny because it is true!
Although, his ears are a bit big to be such a facist. Just another thought;
Ever notice how a large portion of white supremacists and KKK peeps aren't even wholey white? Bizarre really. Some of the very people viewing themselves as some sort of pure white supreme beings in most cases are mixed with all sorts....I bet some genetic testing would prove it. All irrelevant really...when it comes to hate...some people just need a plausible outlet. The hate is just raw material to them!
So since one white criminal goes on and kills someone then gets in a shoot out with the police this is elevated to some kind of mass epidemic by the liberal gun grabbers.. They would love for you to think that thousands of supremacists or militants or terrorists or unstable mental cases armed with machine guns are rampaging around the country.. This is their justification via fear that they are using to attempt to diminish Constitutional rights.. Lets ignore the serious street gang and Mexican drug gang problems that infest the liberal bastions of the big cities where hundreds of people a month are killed.. They made Militia a bad word and they are attempting to do the same to the NRA whose millions of US citizen members and their families use as a voice.. Same goes for the Tea Party/Republicans and many other pro Constitution minded groups.. Typical Communist front propaganda building and Obama the promoter of "redistribution of wealth" a Marx/Lenin requirement for establishing a Communist society is right behind this.. Obama does not trust the American people with firearms but has no problem giving machine guns and tools of war to radical revolutionaries in the Middle East.. Way to go with handing Libyan arms to Arab radicals, bet it will bite us in the A$$.. Why has Fast and Furious and the ambassadors killing been swept under the rug by the White House???
Good job catching this POS goes to Texas law enforcement and I hope for the wounded officers full and speedy recovery..
Where is the group of whites protesting (looting) this killing, like the one in the NYC last week?
Funny, when a white scumbag gets killed, everyone cheers and laughs at him...I guess I'm just still so confused over those "protests".
You forgot conservatism and libertarianism. NP
troy:
Indeed it is - in a tragic sort of way.
Check 'scooter' or 'reno'. Do you know, or have ever known anyone like this?
That's because they are all Illegals or drug gang members right?.. It would be hard for them to be Hispanic Militant/Supremacist because they are mostly working for slave wages and are too tired at the end of the day.. I will start worrying when we start hearing about Hispanic Muslim terrorists..
richard,
ah my antagonistic friend! Good to find a debatable ba$tard in here. 'cept, this time I am inclined to accept your addition to my above comments...strange really.
They are all a bit extreme aren't they!
Mark-740159 and Doug-384925: He actually sounds more like a Bob Byrd or Keith Judd type of Democrat.
Mark VanGelder-1693883: Nah, I would peg him as more of a fan of "The Ed Show" on MSNBC.
Hope the victom was a donor to. You all go sine up. It is prison gang related. Close all the prisons. Go back to the good old days of the Hatfield and the McCoys.
SDN,
Scooter, and to a lesser degree, Reno just like getting a rise out of people. They are mostly sarcastic and add a bit of dark humor really! I've learned to coexist in here with them. They are permanent fixtures so if you can't tolerate or ignore I'd suggest moving on to bigger and better our they will drive you nuts eventually...lol.
Amen troy.
It seems to me, most of you commentors are more hung up on RACE than the article itself.
Referring to something accurately is not "baiting" - it's called, REPORTING.
Now, the fact that you all took bait you claimed was there...says more about you, than the article or NBC.
good grief, if you want proof that america is dumber than a box of rocks...read the vine, the proof is plain to see.
Troy:
Perhaps you're (your, yore?) right. Like having a rock in your shoe.
something like that...'cept you can remove the rock...they are more like an old football wound really...lol.
Jessica,
"good grief, if you want proof that america is dumber than a box of rocks...read the vine, the proof is plain to see"
You are clearly one of us, otherwise you wouldn't have read or commented!.....lmao
I'm picking really....I actually, if alittle less openly, agree.....shhhhh....the idiots will hear.
Argue with an idiot long enough and you become the idiot!
The prison system in this country can not be described as anything other than brutal and barbaric. Every new inmate is virtually forced to join one of the many prison gangs as a matter of survival. If an inmate is not affiliated with one of the gangs they are considered fair game for frequent intimidation, beatings, robbery, rape, and if they resist, they are usually murdered.
If you weren't a criminal when you were incarcerated, you're certainly one when you got out.
Look at all the apologists out today. Who needs to protest when so many good white folk got this young man's back; yall don't need a white Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton to rally against white-on-white crime because even when there are NO BLACKS INVOLVED in the story WHATSOEVER you can always find a way to make it about them anyways.
The man is reported as a white supremacist because that was his social association in life, he actually was in a white supremacist prison gang. That's not "liberal spin" as much as some folks want it to be, that was just who Ebel was. Sorry the existence of such people in the above reproach white community hurts your feelings, but it is what he was.
And Hickenlooper's cabnent member, Tom Clements, was also white. Yeah, white people kill other white people, too. I know, hard to imagine, but they've been doing that for centuries before they ever even seen a black face (see Punic Wars, Trojan Wars, Roman conquest, Battle of Hastings, Hundred Years War, Thirty Year War, War of Spanish Succession, The Napoleonic Wars, World Wars I and II, and so on and so on and so on). But lets not talk about that here. Lets instead invoke Chicago gang violence because it is so much more relevant here than the facts of this particular case. And who knows, there might just be a negro we can point a finger at to distract us from the fact that sometimes crazy azzed white guys shoot other white guys too (go figure).
Oh, and did anyone bring Obama into this yet? You just KNOW all this gotta be his fault somehow. People didn't even notice there were such things as black and brown folk until he got here and started rapping about "Brothas gonna work it out!" and "Fear of a Black Planet" and "Fight the White Power that be!" and all that other stuff we negroes are always on about. Damn, we were so inclusive and tolerant before that Kenyan Communist Socialist Fascist Corporatist White/Black Supremacist Demonic Anti-Christ Mastermind Idiot became president. Damn, black people sure knew their place before Obama came along and made (white) people feel all anxious and racialized.
Here's a notion: why don't yall knee jerks calm the fokk down for a few minutes, stop replaying D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" on a loop in your widdle heads for a moment, and focus on the facts of this particular case. We black folks so get that you've been conditioned to freak out every time you see something other than white folk, but there are no blacks to be found in this story so stop thrusting us into every crime piece in an effort to make your world more palatable for your 18th Century mindset.
And again, I don't care if some whites, in their adolescent conception of race relations, call me a racist for pointing out that white people are way too immature and ill-informed to have a serious and meaningful debate about the consequences of institutionalized racism in this country's history and culture. If you're a black man in this country you're called a million things you have to just suck it up and take; that's our cross to bear thanks to the ethnocentric Europeans that "built" this country. But be real honest with yourself as you say that because in truth there aint a single damn American alive today who isn't the product of our racist past and saying otherwise is you just being silly and naïve.
Wow, articles like this sure bring out the low-rent republicans. But never fear, guys, the GOP is still with you, as much as in 1980, when the Filth also known as Reagan celebrated the town where three civil rights workers had been murdered.
William B. Travis is a serial rereg whose been been banned many times. Somehow this incarnation has survived longer than most. Moderator please remove him.
@roadrunner0 - no, we just want to take guns from people like you who are too stupid to understand sentences in the constitution that have more than 3 words.
@SDN you're is a contraction of you are; your, is referring to possession as in "that is your hat"; yore refers to a previous time as in "the days of yore"
White supremist huh? More smoke and mirrors to make the public think theres a bunch of crazy right wing people hell bent on overthrowing the government. This guy probably had to join the gang in prison so he wouldnt be killed or raped by black or Hispanic gangs. Dont believe everything you read especially from NBC. Another attempt to pretend there's some big nazi army trying to take over the US. This is a smoke and mirrors operation coordinated by this adminstration and DOJ. The numbers of these people are so small its statiscally insignificant but black and hispanic gangs are a huge problem in every big city. We need to look to at something real. Black and Hispanic gangs are killing at much much greater margins then any so called white group. Lets place fear in something real like minority gangs in big cities not 10 guys running around in the woods playing army.
Troy:
Yup. :) Have a good one brother.
@ Meanoldbastid
I'm sure SDN doesn't mind the English lesson. But I'll let you in on a little secret, SDN already knew all of that. SDN posts that way to point out how clueless & illiterate some of the people are on this site. Shh, don't tell anyone....
Cheers.
After reading the above posts I'm really happy to see that all of you are getting along so well, as usual. It warms the cockles of my heart to see such congeniality.
@Jeff
Are you high or really retarded? I am guessing both, what part about my comment was race baiting? And you assume I am a white male, you know what they say about making assumptions, instead of picking fights with people on the forums try picking fights with the people throwing this country down the toilet.
Next - he'll see something sinister in why its always called "Jelly and Peanut butter sandwiches". The Conservative Bible quoters can "explain" the how the Anti-Christ, Obama is proven... from a random license plate number of the next taxi coming down the street.
If you can't understand the real world - they tend to makeup crap to feel like they have special knowledge which no one, other than them can decipher.
The only thing special in their lives - was the short school bus which took them to their Special classes ... but only if they wore a football helmet to class. Bed wetter still ... and wondering why they can't get a second date, without a $20 bill attached to the invitation.
Oh... by the way.
An extremist or Militant; is not always a racist. But for sure - all racists are militant and extremists — the difference is whether he has the 'nads to do his own killing, bombing of churches, schools - women and children, or incites some snaggle toothed, mouth breather to do the dirty work.
a man with no thought of life for others. shooting like a nut at cops.but, he was an organ doner.ironic.
Hopefully they put his organs in 8 or 10 black people. THAT would be ironic!
I say that anyone killed in prison or in the course of a crime should automatically become an organ donor whether that is their wish or not.
I wouldn't want His Funky Organs probably riddled with Hep C and who knows what else.
How they can "shoot this man dead" while keeping him alive? And to salvage his organs? Maybe my tinfoil hat is on too tight, but if I was worried about my organs being "harvested" I'd put up one hell of a fight as well.
And I quote from the article:
"Texas authorities said he was legally dead but being kept alive in a hospital so his organs might be harvested."
Doesn't that just make your day? I'm not sure if I should be concerned or if I should make a sarcastic remark about him being good for something...
Well at least he wasn't illegally dead while they take his organs.
Personally, I would not want his organs because if he did have Hep C or any other blood borne pathogen, and if he was in the window period (virus present, but human host body has not started to produce anti-bodies yet) those organs would be contaminated but it wouldn't show up on an antibody test.
lol no different then the ''black shooter'' dormer last month!
The warden didn't have to do anything to be on their kill list. The easiest way to get them agitated is to fail to take them seriously.
An easy way - would be for him to do his job went they didn't want him to... They might have let it be known that they want to kill someone in prison or wanted someone moved to a different prison, cell, building or look the other way ...
The point they need to make is to set fear in the hearts of the prison staff, especially outside of the prison. That let the guards know that a hit can be ordered on any.
What is so treacherous is they can and do send these guys on suicide missions. So what's the difference between them an Muslim Terrorist, Al Quiada, Arab Brotherhood, etc? ... They are copy cats ...
The Arabs and Asians are the real deal - they have been doing this vendetta thing since before Biblical days. They are willing to wait generations to get revenge.
Beoweolf - I agree, I dont think he did anything specific...I think this was to send a message to other prison staff.
basically, if someone inside the prison gets ticked off with someone, they just send someone on the outside to "take care" of the problem.
of course, if you're that person...this is how that is going to end.
so, perhaps this backfired more than they'll ever comprehend...or maybe these thugs have so much to lose, they dont give a crap...just like suicide bombers think.
I think we should donate his organs to the black patients.
He did not have to be an organ donor for them to harvest his organs. Texas law allows the harvesting of organs if next of kin doesn't object within 4 hours of death, even if the deceased is unidentified and they are unable to locate next of kin.
http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1817&context=ulj
Mickey-1983943
Was Tom Clemens, the prison official this man killed, black? While we don't like to discuss the matter of race in this country anymore for fear of being called "racist", I think the race of the victim could be relevant in this case since it could have been part of Ebel's motive for killing him if, in fact, he did kill him. I don't recall reading anything about Clemens race, though.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The prison official killed is white.
I heard he was a Republican.
Of course you did. Funny how only you can hear those voices huh.....
GM Scooter. TV also said this morning another suspect could be a Saudi national that was convicted of abusing a house maid. NOOOOOO! Turned down because he wouldn't go through a treatment program.
Yeah, and I hear his lover (who he met in prison) uses the screen name bgun2....what's your point?
Thanks for the morning chuckle there Scooter, Stone and in the middle! I needed that! Have a great day!
Hahaha. Bgun2, I'll bet a poll would reveal at least 90% of inmates are democrats. Guaran-damn-tee it!
I heard he was abducted by aliens from Andromeda and they used implants to control him remotely.
"I heard he was a Republican."
A racist white supremacist Gun Nut? Like, duh!
And I heard he was a lifelong Democrat.
Its not that he was behaving a lot like a Republican, its that a lot of Republicans appear to have adopted his racist world view and sense of superiority. At least his superman organs will be put to use, hopefully in normal people who can use them.
I heard that he was in full support of stricter gun control--a complete ban in fact. He, like all criminals prefer their victims unarmed.
Most convicts can vote; only four states bar ex-felons: Florida, Kentucky, Virginia and Iowa.
lol funny!
I heard that this is unbelievably inane.
bgun2 and Bob in Boston:
He strikes me as more of one of those registered Democrats who voted for convicted and jailed felon Keith Judd, rather than Obama.
He's a racist Southern Democrat for sure.
It's amazing what happens when our bleeding heart liberal justice system lets felons, pedophiles and other criminals out of jail. The recidivism rate is astounding.
He definitely was a republican. There was a pic of his voter registration card on Breitbart. Or was it the drudge report....
of course nbc makes this their lead story.
and why not??, some sort of Teathuglican connection perhaps??
No ....a criminal "connection" .... not a made up one.
Yea, democrat supporters of a black President are real big in white militant groups these days.
It probably qualifies as a lead story - lots of people are relieved that this brazen murderer is dead (especially delivery men.)
haggisbingo-2225582
Nah - he's likely one of those registered racist Democrats who voted for convicted and jailed felon Keith Judd, rather than Obama in the primary.
Arthur: Hi, Stupid, how are ya. BTW, the racist democrats moved to the republickker party in the '60's and 70's and, ever since, have been the much beloved "base."
Scooter - for god's sake man, get a job. You are corrupting the republican base with your welfare ways.
I read another story that blamed a Saudi hitman.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296328/Colorado-corrections-chief-shot-dead-answered-door-bell--gunman-loose.html
Actually the stories here in Colorado have said that the Saudi connection was one of several being investigated.
Yesterday it was Saudis....
The guy gets out of prison and has no problem getting a gun...thanks to the NRA, and the cowards in Congress.
B.S. ...period.
Drugs are illegal yet you can get them in prison.that about sums it up.its just scumbag people.laws apply to you and me, not them.
Just like making drugs illegal, lot of good that did. Wake up criminals will get guns no matter what laws you put on the books and then only the criminals will have guns. Now that the marines died in Quantico you probably want to ban guns on the bases as well. Wake up it is not guns that shoot people it is people who shoot people, what was this guy doing out of prison?
HaHaHa...It has nothing to do with NRA or Congress. Criminals can always get guns that is easy and always will be because they steal most of them. Of course you don't have to believe me, then you take one look at Chicago that has strict gun control laws and still have some of the highest incidents of murder. How can that be? Criminals are not allowed to have guns and Illinois even requires you to have a FOID (Firearms Owner ID)...I guess the thugs didn't get the message. Gun control and other laws ONLY affect law-abiding citizens not criminals.
Hey Fred....I'll bet my next 100 paychecks against your $.25 that the gun he used wasn't obtained through legal means. Which means, no matter what kind of gun control laws there are, they wouldn't have stopped him from getting the gun.
Fred, you've been smoking some good liberal weed my friend. Ive been to about 42 of the 50 states and more than 20 countries outside the U.S. Im not a gun owner but experience and logic come to mind.
Number 1. There are simply too many guns out there. Already produced, manufactured and serviceable.
Number 2. Guns dont just stop working...they have to be damaged. If cleaned, they will work forever.
Number 3. With modern technology people can make guns and ammo at home with Lowes products.
Number 4. Bad people do bad things with guns and they are just a few who inflict the damage. Only 2% of our entire federal inmate population is locked up for murder.
Give it up guys, No sense arguing with a rock. nor a box of them.
You guys are all missing the point. It doesn't matter if he got an illegal gun -- the NRA supports selling guns illegally by fighting and regulations v-a-v registration. The NRA is just as responsible in this case as it was in Sandy Hook.
@ weemee
And I bet you went to Harvard too. Glad to know that the limits of supidity has no bounds
Hey Fred, the NRA responsible for him getting a gun? Try pulling your head out of your a$$ and get a reality check. Guess with your mentality you could blame GM for making the the get away car.
Fred
You are clueless. The gangs that operate on the streets are run by gang members that are locked up. Before one of them gets out of prison they already know where to stay and who to see if they need money, etc.
Why are you bringing up the NRA when the gangs have their own network on the outside. Try to keep up.
@ weemee
Hmm. That's strange because the guns used by Lanza at Sandy Hook were all purchased legally & the person who bought them (Lanza's mother) went through the NICS background check to buy them.
Lanza killed his mother & stole the guns. There isn't any law/regulation/registration that would have stopped that. Lanza was responsible for his actions & indirectly so was his mother who made the guns accessible & taught her crazy son how to use them.
I'm sure you heard that a couple of days ago the Connecticut State Police reported that they found evidence which leads them to believe that Lanza had been planning the massacre for over 2 years.
The NRA didn't have a damn thing to do with what happened at Sandy Hook or in this case. The NRA isn't responsible for the actions of crazy people. People who commit these crimes are the ones who are responsible for their own actions & the harm they cause.
Guns & people using those guns to murder others have been around for 100s of years, long before the NRA even existed.
Or I could use your line of thinking & say:
The NRA is just as responsible for the 85+ million, law abiding, non-violent, non-criminal, safe gun owners who decided not to kill anyone or hurt anyone with the guns they legally own.
Of course you wouldn't agree with this statement would you? Guess what, you would be correct. Because once again it was the individual choice of the law abiding gun owner to obey & follow the laws of this country & not use their guns to murder people.
Does the NRA have a financial interest in people purchasing guns. Sure they do. But the NRA also supports/defends the 2nd Amendment, promotes & teaches gun safety/hunting safety programs, certifies & trains firearm instructors etc....
By fighting for gun ownership rights & trying to keep guns legal in this country they also indirectly support the jobs of tens of thousands of people who work in the firearm industry & related fields (i.e. companies that make parts/components/accessories for guns, hunting gear/clothing etc....)
So stop trying to find a scapegoat to blame for the actions of crazy individuals. One of the major problems in this country is that a large percent of the population isn't willing to take responsibility for their own actions or lack thereof or to place blame where it belongs. You seem to be one of them.
@Oneslackr
Lanza didn't kill his mother and steal the guns. The guns were openly available for his use by his mother, you know, in case the end of the world happened.
Oneslacker
Couldn't agree with your post more. Excellent post
@ ExYahooUser
And you completely missed the point I was making.
Does it matter if Lanza took the guns first & then killed his mom or killed his mom first & then took the guns? Really?
Fact: Lanza killed his mom
Fact: Lanza took guns which belonged to & were owned by his mom. I'm sure she wouldn't have approved of him using them to go & murder 20+ people in an elementary school. If he took the guns without her permission that is stealing.
I've yet to see anyone say one way or another if the guns were just laying around or if they were in fact secured but Lanza managed to get them anyway.
oneslacker:
"One of the major problems in this country is that a large percent of the population isn't willing to take responsibility for their own actions..."
Seems to me that there exists a relatively small percentage of our population insisting that this "large percentage of the population" has easy access to firearms.
You seem to be one of them.
maybe guns need a warning label!! danger operation by retards may be hazardous
No Saudi conection. They have much better hitmen. It would look like an accident. Hit by truck with bad brake, they own many companies here.
@ SDN
You seem to be incorrect. I'm not insisting that irresponsible people should have easy access to firearms.
However, gun grabbers like you & Feinstein haven't come up with any sensible laws/restrictions that would actually prevent the next Sandy Hook, Aurora, or VA Tech massacres.
All the whining & crying about the poor children & if it only saves 1 child's life it will be worth it is a bunch of B.S. It is a smoke screen for the gun grabbers real agenda.
Please enlighten me as to how restricting responsible & law abiding people like myself:
1. From owning an AR-15 is going to stop the next Lanza, Holmes, Cho, Chicago gang-banger, or recently released from prison white supremacist from going on a killing spree?
2. Being limited to 7, 10, or 15 bullets in a magazine is going to stop the next Lanza, Holmes, Cho, Chicago gang-banger, or recently released from prison white supremacist from killing a bunch of people?
1. Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook) had mental issues. He tried to buy guns but was turned away. So he took his mom's guns.
2. Holmes (Aurora theater) had mental issues. He was able to buy guns because mental health records are not part of the NICS background check. People who were aware of his mental condition also didn't speak out or alert anyone.
3. Cho (VA Tech) had mental issues. He was able to buy guns because mental health records are not part of the NICS background check. Again people who were aware of his mental problems didn't speak out or alert anyone.
Just look at the facts below. Only 323 murders were committed with rifles (all kinds, not just AR-15s) in 2011.
So why do all of you gun grabbers have it out for a rifle that is no different than any other semi-automatic rifle other than the fact that is is painted black?
Why do you gun grabbers want to limit how many bullets I can have? It isn't going to prevent a criminal from using a high capacity magazines.
Even if a criminal only had access to magazines with limited capacity they would just bring extra magazines and/or multiple guns with them to make up the difference. It only takes 2 - 3 seconds to change magazines.
If you gun grabbers were serious about saving children you would go after:
1. Inner city gangs
2. Make mental health records part of the NICS background check
3. Prosecute people who make straw purchases or who lie on the 4473 form trying to get around the background check
4. Crack down on gun dealers who violate the laws
These 4 things would do far more to save lives than preventing law abiding people from owning a black semi-auto rifles or limiting the number of bullets in their guns.
According to the FBI Uniform Crime report for 2011:
12,664 murders in the U.S.
Out of the total above 8,583 were murders by firearms, broken down as follows:
6,220 committed by handguns
323 committed by rifles
356 committed by shotguns
1,684 committed by unknown type of firearms
1,694 committed by knives or cutting instruments
1,659 committed by other weapons
728 committed by hands/fists/feet etc..
ROB16749YADAYADA!!! WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!!! i still want to know how to make a gun from lowes products!!!!
Oneslackr, The four things you posted are exactly what I want, with one addition. Make private owners follow the same regulations when transferring ownership as store owners have to follow.
Texas ROCKS!!!
Texas is a Horrible state a bunch of arrogant dip@!$%#s
seek help smurf.
If he was a member of a militant group, he had all the access to as many guns as he wanted, criminal or not. The groups that have their hidden camps in the mountains, like Ruby Ridge, have no more respect for law than the lowest meth cooker in the middle of Chicago. I'm sure that none of his friends tried to do anything to keep him from taking two people from their families and friends.
John Bryant;
You are one sick puppy to try & make any kind of comparison between this incident & Ruby Ridge & the family (mother & son), who were murdered there by the us federal government. Randy Weaver was framed by government agents & proved innocent in court. Don't even try to lie about that bit of our history.
You got it right Vet; govt goons murdering peaceable citizens who mistakenly thought the 2nd Amendment means just what it says.
@ TruthComesHere
I couldn't agree more. That's why I've lived in Texas since 2000.
Texas does rock. Where I live we had the Crips from New York about 15 years ago deciding to do home invasions here in Texas. After each Crip was shot and killed by the homeowners they figured it wasn't too smart to invade homes where most people have guns and where a lot of military lives.
Its not smart to shoot at law enforcement no matter where you live. After this incident in Colorado and Texas some people are looking at cameras to show who is at their front door before opening it. This was a sad story and hopefully the person shot by Texas law enforcement was the Colorado shooter.
Texas is a great place to live and South by Southwest music festival just finished in Austin-The live music capital of the United States.
Yep, SXSW just finished. Austin in basically in my backyard. I live just southwest of Austin out in the hill country (35 minutes away or so). I have a friend who is in a couple of bands & they played 7 to 8 gigs during SXSW.
Texas Roadhouse!
Haha @ papasmurf
What you call arrogant is actually PRIDE. Texas is the proudest state in the union bar NONE. Remember the Alamo? Yep, knew you did and would because you were told to. That is how great Texas is. You should learn the difference between the two before hating.
http://kody829.newsvine.com/
Sorry but Randy Weaver was convicted of a weapons charge. They set him up because the wanted him to be an informant. The men in black still watch him. His little angry man go his wife and son shot dead.
Vet, I enlisted in 1967, so I guess we're about the same age, whatever that might mean. I'm sorry about the wife. The son was shooting at the feds, so he got what he had coming. When you start a shootout with the law, you'd better be sure you've got everything covered. The police, feds, military authorities come to get you, sooner or later, they will. You're better off trying to fight them in court, because, while you might win a battle, they will win in the end. Just because you call yourself a militia, it doesn't give you a pass on breaking the law.
oh oh oh;
Sorry but Randy Weaver was never convicted on a weapons charge. The only charge he has ever been convicted of was for failure to appear. The charge he failed to appear for was thrown out.
John Bryant;
The son was not shooting at anybody, he was running to the house to warn his family when he was shot in the back. The feds started the shooting when they shot his dog, fearing it might alert the Weavers. When the kid ran to find/help his dog, they saw him with a rifle & shot him. He had already been warned off by his older friend & turned back to the house. Remember, the feds shot first. Mr Weaver started nothing.
Forensics at Ruby Ridge showed that the Gov. lied about who shot first. This by the Gov.'s own investigation.It is impossible to be considered a threat,when you are shot in the back while running towards your home! It is also difficult to be percieved as a threat while holding nothing but a baby!
But but but, if this is true, this parole had a gun illegally. Wow another criminal that didn't obey gun laws. What are we going to do, let's pass some more. Riiiiiiiiiiight.
Are you suggesting we make it legal for parolees to have guns or are you parroting the idiotic gun nut talking points?
Why is it that the liberals are so quick to name call...idiotic gun nut....get out of third grade....is it ok if I call you an idiotic liberal nut who eats bean sprouts lives in your mom's basement doesn't have a job living off the system kool aid drinking anti-gun socialist?
Since baddog seems a little dense, I'll break it down for him. rider was suggesting that more laws will only make it more difficult for citizens who DONT BREAK LAWS to get guns. Bad citizens such as this one in the article will get them regardless of what silly laws are passed. Make sense?
Actually Baddog40, wgrider made a very valid point. Rather than presenting an objective, defensible argument you chose to fall back into the standard liberal tact of hurling insults.
Baddog, I'm a registered democrat who has guns. I have a friend with a whole locker full of guns. Some weekends we take our guns out to the shooting range and fire them. If someone breaks into my home or threatens my life and I have a gun handy, I will kill them.
What do you think about that?
inthemiddle, More effective gun laws will do nothing to make it harder for legitimate gun owners to own a gun. If you are not a felon, or have a history of psychological problems, especially involving violent behavior, you will not be effected. We do not really need more restrictive gun laws, just more universal laws, so residents of a city like Chicago, can't drive 50 miles to buy guns that are illegal where they live.
Owning a gun is like owning a pumpkin cannon. It's not really practical, but it can be allot of fun!
But you're a liberal. That means you shouldn't even be allowed to own guns.
@ John
Really stop blogging you have no education on anything...
Do you really think universal laws will stop a criminal? If you do let me ask you this why are there still criminals? Is not murder a universal law? still happens right?
If a criminal wants a gun he will steal one don't you think?
Man you give me such laughter..
@ Baddog
Perhaps you would like to classify me into a predefined category too.
I'm a pro-gun/pro 2nd Amendment gun owner who lives in TX. I own a couple of so called & incorrectly labeled 'assault rifles' among other guns. I also believe in small limited government, low taxes, individualism, self reliance, capitalism, help the helpless but not the clueless/lazy etc...
But I'm also:
1. Pro-choice (just don't use it as a form of birth control)
2. Don't have an issue with gay marriage
3. Think drugs should be legalized since the 40+ year drug war has been a complete waste of time & money & hasn't accomplished anything. Time to try a new approach.
4. Believe in rationale protection of the environment
5. Believe in protecting animals & I don't personally agree with hunting but would never deny others their right to do so.
Does this mean I'm a - Conservative, right wing capitalist, inbred redneck, gun owning nut, who is a liberal, abortion/gay loving, drug using, tree hugging, granola eating, animal activist hippie who likes big government. Hmm????
I wish there were more out there like you oneslack!
Theirs...there's....uh, they'res.....no end to this stuff.
"Really stop blogging you have no education on anything..."
whew
Or philosophical jewels such as;
"Fred take ur meds" and "but dont wash em down with Kool aid this time."
I think we're (weir? were? we're?) utterly effed.
Oneslakr- I really like your post! :) In some ways I am conservative, in some ways liberal--and although we probably don't agree 100% on everything, well, that's what makes us independent thinkers! :)
onslacker:
Although I very much disagree with many of your posts, I have to say that you, clearly have a fully functional brain, and a soul to boot. I think your posts prove that you are what you are, and use it to the best of your ability - like an apparently few of the rest of us.
What do you think of the incredible amount of utter inanity found on these threads currently? It's embarrassing, especially in light of the fact that this is an international forum read by people all around the world. Small wonder many in other countries see us as functionally brain-dead.
"Time to try a new approach." That is an unrepentant liberal statement, and an attitude that brought us, at least temporarily, out of caves.
@ SDN
Thanks. No hard feelings. We will just have to agree to disagree on certain issues.
I agree with you about all of the utter inanity. I'm guilty of it myself at times when I lose my temper. I'm trying to be more conscientious about sticking to the facts & the subject at hand. I also need to refrain myself from name calling and/or hurling insults at others as often as I do. Though sometimes I just can't help myself. LOL
I wish more people would be willing to have rational discussions instead of trying to bash each other. If only our government could follow this approach then maybe some problems in this country could be solved.
Have a good weekend.
Fred take ur meds
but dont wash em down with Kool aid this time.
Oooh, white supremacist!! Considering that 85% of African Americans are "black supremacists"...that term would never make it into the headlines.
As a white male people like you nauseate me.
As a white male...people like you make me sick too. Apparently you are blind or feel REALLY guilty.
Why would anyone feel guilt about your racism except you and your parents?
baddog has no clue, or thinks it is justified that groups of black males target lone white kids in neighborhoods that are primarily black....nothing to see here, right baddog?
After all, who really cares if a white kid minding his own damn business gets attacked. Our nation only makes a fuss when the victim is black, and the attacker is white (or a white-hispanic, whatever that is).
This is spoken as a former white kid that got the pleasure of walking home through minority neighborhoods....those were the days.
85%? Did you do a survey and get those stats?
Rob, is it at all possible that you spend too much time huffing computer cleaner? Or maybe your Uncle David (Duke) told you that 85% of African-Americans are black supremacists? Get real . . .
Here we go. Stating the obvious is racist.?Let me ask...how many black people do you know? How many do you work with? What is your occupation? I work with them everyday both as co-workers and in my profession. I work for the federal prison system. African Americans are a large group both as employees and as inmates in the Bureau of Prisons!! I also served active duty for 12 years. Everything they talk about is race and race has something to do with EVERTHING. Food, housing, politics, shoes, hair, cars...etc.
Black people are a proud lot and I had nothing to do with their past and I certainly dont approve of it. But, two wrongs do not make a right. You want revenge or equality? Which is it? Call it like it is.
I hold these truths to be "self evident".
African Americans discussing race issues = "black supremacists" by your logic. All the African Americans I've worked with prefer equality to revenge, but I've worked in education, insurance, and food service. Most of them were focused on their careers, families, and church events. Many worked two jobs to make ends meet. None had served time. All had experienced bigotry in their lifetime and tried to ignore it. Some were proud; others (especially the older African Americans) were resigned to bad treatment. Blacks, Asians, Middle Eastern, Hispanic, or Euro-Caucasian shouldn't matter, but it does, and will, as long as people with attitudes like yours fail to become introspective.
I have lived in a predominately black neighborhood the last 30 years, and the only trouble I've had was that I had my car hit twice in front of my house. Once by a Guatemalan and the other time by a drunk white man trying to find a hooker. Yea, there are bad elements in my neighborhood, but your statement about 85% is pure BULLSH!T.
I'd like to know what neighborhood and what city it is you live in. Those are amazing stats. The 85% comment is based on experience and common knowledge if you keep your eyes open.
Black people support other black people right or wrong. There is always someone or something to blame for their actions. The stats dont lie. Why did most African Americans think OJ was innocent? Why was their such a large turnout of black voters for Obama? Why is Ray Lewis a hero in the black community who should be left alone because he was acquitted? But, Casey Anthony is an evil murderer who beat the justice system? How is Zimmerman considered a "White Hispanic" but Obama is not considered a "White African American"?
I could go on and on and on and on!!
Rob sounds jealous that he didn't go on a shooting rampage like his hero in this story did, animals like Rob should never be allowed to own guns, heck...Rob and his ilk belong in a cage in a zoo with the rest of the racist animals so intelligent folk can go visit and see the garbage that will be extinct in a few more generations, if not the in next generation.
I don't know where you live, but where I worked with a 60% black workforce, there was only one black there that thought OJ was innocent. Most of them were more in favor of frying him than most of the whites there. Maybe if the only blacks you have contact with are your crack dealers, they might have that opinion, but most working class blacks that I know have morals AND a good work ethic.
In other words, you're making it up based on your personal experience. So it must be universally true. Having some trouble following that logic.
Anecdotes aren't data. That's my mantra. Learn it.
@John Bryant, Thank you! I am black and I NEVER thought OJ was innocent. He just had a darn good legal team.
Rob's experience is just his perception of how he wants to view black people. He's in that group that thinks every black person voted for president Obama. I know some black people that didn't and they hate him too. Rob has issues.
If Clements had a bushmaster he would be alive today.
Rob-1647498 I hope your child opens a door with a murderer at the other end. Hope your son or daughter is fast with their Bushmaster. Although he's probably just visiting for tea with another racist like you.
Paroled so he can go out and kill people.
Bill I was using sarcasm!
Bill depp......that is one of the worst things anyone can say, wishing harm on anyone else, let alone their child. If you feel that is your way of making a valid point, you are sick and twisted and you should be locked up. That's seriously some messed up sh!t right there, you crossed a line, you're the lowest of the low.
Cubanmafia,
Yes, Bill depp has some interesting insights on life in general. None of it based on fact, period. Just conjecture and fabrication. He labels people racists that have NO racists comments. I don't think he understands the bottom line either. I have run across him several times and thank goodness most do not agree with him. Thanks for dropping in and exposing him for what he actually is.
bill depp: (bipedal....barely)
Should get full credit for his "Rob-1647498 I hope your child opens a door with a murderer at the other end." comment. A real man would apologize immediately for such a comment. Bill will not.
I'm beginning to see at least some value in the concept of euthanasia. Isn't that disgusting?
Based on the pictures and the profiles he would still be dead. All ways take the angry white man in a gun fight. Just ask Jose, Jessie and Frank. .34 seconds comes in second. If you have not killed before your are going to loose. Stone cold killers are not born that way. That is the problem I have always had with the O.J. case. It was not a first kill. I do not believe, playing a part in a movie make you that. I have seen the serial killer that says he kill her. He is a stone cold killer. He has the experience to fit the fact. He says O.J. hired him.
And most likely a card carrying member of the Teabaggers and the NRA. They warned us about these Right Wingers. Remember the homeland security report that the Far Right was so upset about, apparently it as correct. When you have organized hate groups like the Tea Party you should expect this kind of thing.
paranoid much??... LOL... you really believe your own vitriolic hate and rhetoric?...LOL...I am sure you do....
People like you are the problem in America today.
@billy,you seem a little too obsessed with "Teabaggers".....let me quess,you're the "Bagee"?
everyone i know in the tea party hate no one .
bill depp is just still upset and lashing out because he was tea bagged in the locker room by the entire football team one by one. High school wasn't very kind to poor billy.
Liberals are the leaders of all hate groups....just ask King Obama...
Supremacist?? They couldn't just say White man? Whenever a white person does anything nowadays, gets in a car accident, spills a drink in the restaurant, slips on the ice, farts, all of a sudden he's a "Supremacist"?? If a Black does anything of the above they don't automatically call him a Black Panther, or Black Supremacist." You would think according to the Media that there are millions and millions of White Supremacists running all over the country. Watch out watch out the Supremacist are coming. Hide hide.
Tarzan7.....you sound like you like racists. Perhaps you are one too?
He was part of a white supremacist group hence the moniker "supremacist!" Did you actually read the article or are you just making it up as you go?
I hear you, but I would like to think they were able to make the connection to a real group through tatoos, and that this is not just bad reporting. But, who knows, as they did not say.
Bill depp: Thats it. Use the Race card. Every White person that disagrees is a Racist. You must be Black. No, you ARE Black . Right? You betcha.
Can we just load up the rest of his "buddies", and air drop them into the Chicago projects? Two problems will solve themselves....
Yeah....just like MSNBC called the Doctor that killed all those soldiers at Ft. Hood.. workplace violence...they call a terriost attack....workplace violence....what a joke these people are...
He was probably following orders, repaying a debt, or had a longtime grudge against the man. Was Mr. Clements ever a warden or guard where the wacko was held?
Everyone knows that gang members and criminals ALL have guns and it's illegal. Yet our dear legal system keeps putting these thugs back on parole only to commit more crimes against us. It happens every day. The guy in Chicago that killed that girl should have been incarcerated with the rap sheet he had (one being a gun), he gets parole and gets another gun from his gang member buddies. The problem is PEOPLE, not guns. The problem is our justice system, not guns. This White Supremacist gets out and the first thing he does is gets a gun from his buddies and kills 2 people just because he could. Your never ever going to stop criminals from getting guns, just like stopping folks from taking whatever drugs they wish to use anytime they wish. We have laws but some People don't care nor ever will that's why they are called Criminals. If you don't get it by now you never will. The NRA does not kill people and it's not Bush, Obama or anyone else fault except the perpetrators. This Left and Right wing bashing is so stupid. Criminals don't care who you are, period. This scum bag is dead but the boys back in prison are high fivn'g each other and the next one that gets out on parole will commit some other crime again just because he can and no laws are ever going to stop or control them.
He probably bought his gun at a gun show too. Do you really think background checks are not necessary? 92% of Americans think they are necessary.
"He probably" what? You have no evidence so keep your flawed opinions and fake stats to yourself.
Actually the CNN poll has 94% of American feel that background checks are necessary:
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/2451
Probably bought it at a gun show? Bill, are you an idiot? Wow...
Where did I say back ground checks are not needed. Certainly they are. Criminals most of the time get guns from other criminals, gang members, folks selling their guns, black market. Your not going to stop someone that wants to kill another person. Best is to keep these dangerous folks locked up because when they get out the will commit more crimes. Here is a stat for you. 2.5 million people incarcerated in jail/prison. 7.5 million on parole. That does not take into account those off parole, those not caught yet. How safe do you feel in your city? There are hundreds of millions of guns of all types out there. Your not going to be able to collect them all. Again, criminals and gang members ALL have guns. What you are doing is misunderstanding what the real problem is. PEOPLE, period. Your not going to ever change a criminal mindset no matter what laws you already have or make. Everyone is different and you never know when someone will just go off the deep end for a thousand different reasons. It could be a 12 year year old or 67 year old. I don't even own a gun but if i wished it is my right. You need not worry about me but the guy down the block you might. People are all accountable for their own actions and NO one but the perpetrator is responsible. 300 million people in the USA and maybe as many guns.
Are you that naive, bought it at a gun show, yeah right more like stole it at a gun show.
inthemiddle, Flawed opinions and fake stats are flying around from both sides of this debate. They have ever since it started.
Well, a judge in Louisiana has just ruled that it's unconstitutional to prevent convicted felons from owning or possesing firearms, so what would be the point to a background check?
ScaredFire:
A CNN polls is about as accurate as an NRA or Townhall poll would be., it only shows one side of the issue. Yesterday a Fox news poll showed that 95% of their viewers did not want a assault weapon ban. These kind of polls are inaccurate 100% of the time.
Voluntrary polls are not valid. You must have a random sample.
Say what you will about gun show loopholes. I personally have never run across any private sellers of guns at the shows (i.e. private sellers don't need to run background checks on gun sales). I will add that some gun shows don't allow private sellers for this reason.
The sellers I have dealt with at gun shows have always been licensed FFL holders. They are required to run the standard NICS background check on gun sales, just as if they were selling the gun at their brick & mortar store.
Depends on the state. NJ does not allow any sales at all according to what I've seen on the web. In Colorado all sales require a background check, but you don't see a lot of private sellers as retailers get all of the floor space. Private sellers that I have seen are literally relegated to walking about holding up a sign. If they get a buyer they have to both go to an FFL holder for the check. If the buyer doesn't pass the background check the FFL holder has to run one on the seller before turning the weapon back over to him.
I don't think the so called gun show loophole is as much of a problem as the gun grabbers would have everyone believe. Not to say it doesn't happen but not to the extent that the grabbers claim.
As far as crooked FFL holders selling guns illegally to known criminals or individuals doing the same through classified ads, Craig's List etc...who knows. My personal opinion is that while it happens this still isn't a huge issue either.
I would bet most criminals obtain their guns:
1. Through straw buyers
2. Steal them
3. Buy already stolen guns on the black market
4. Buy guns smuggled across the border by the cartels/gangs (black market again)
5. Some criminals who have never been caught/convicted are still able to buy guns legally, either for themselves or for their criminal friends (as a straw buyer).
6. People with mental problems who shouldn't own guns but slip through the cracks since there isn't a way to screen them out (i.e. Holmes - Aurora theater shooter & Cho - VA Tech shooter)
My condolences to Nathan's family.
The murderer has some friends from the right-wing here. That's not a good thing for our nation. Right-wing extremism is ruing what was good about America. A society, any society, cannot exist when the people are selfish. Worst of all is when they are both selfish and violent.
Societies are built upon altruism and a moral authority. Many in the USA have rejected both altruism and the moral authority. No possible good can come from that.
What?!?!? No one here supports this killer, no one. Stop making stuff up. Also, just so you know, while they are sometimes referred to as right wing, these groups have doctrines that are much closer to the modern day Democrat establishment, except for the exclusivity. They only correlation that you can make is that they are racist scum, and you think all righties are racist, which is juvenille at best. Grow up.
"Selfish" as in not willing to turn their hard earned wages, assets and rights over to the government, so the government can support you? You need to invest in a good dictionary.
I have to agree with in the middle. People Left or Right have nothing in common with these scum, period. I would like to see them kept in prison for the rest of their lives. This bashing each other for someone else committing crimes is absolutely inane. I don't care if the criminal is black, white, brown, Left, Right, Jewish, Catholic or whatever. They are criminals period! I would think that most on this board have never committed a felony or serious crime. Those people could care less what we think. They don't read this stuff because they are busy committing crimes vs US. The thing is we are fighting among ourselves while the real criminals are having a field day.
If you think the laws are evenly applied, what would you think of a person sentenced to 15 years in prison 4 years ago for killing a college student while driving drunk, and has been on house arrest for the last 3 and a half years in his multi million dollar mansion. He has the nerve to complain to the sheriff that his ankle monitor chafes his ankle when he plays tennis on his private tennis court. Meanwhile, his victim's family still has an empty seat at their Thanksgiving table.
Yeah....like the Doctor in Fort Hood has alot of support from the lefties...
so the answer to remaining safe in America is to always answer your door with an assault weapon at the ready?
So the answer to your question is no. You're awful paranoid.
Nope, the Democrats will have those taken pretty soon. The answer is that absolute saftey does not exist. Accept it.
If a pizza man shows up to your door and you didn't order one, h e l l yea.
And if it turned out he was at the wrong address, or sombody pranked you, then it's too bad for him. He shoulda thought of that before he became a pizza delivery man, right?
The answer to remaining safe in this country is to not be a bleeding heart wussy who is soft on violent criminals. Remove the evil, worthless element from our society and we will all be a lot safer. Until then, I'll remain armed and vigilant.
gba:
"bleeding heart wussy"? I think we'd be a lot safer if we removed the ignorant and the angry element.
Some of us are more impressed with the statistics relating to the actual 'hit ratios' achieved by veteran law enforcement (7-51%) and the very high occurence of 'home defense' weapons being used to intimidate or kill an 'intimate' in the home.
If you whip out your hogleg at the mall attempting to save humanity, the chances are exceedingly high you will wound or kill innocent bystanders. These are the facts - read'em and weep.
I would much rather face a single bad buy at the mall than a posse of amateurs spraying lead anywhere and everywhere. Save the smarm.
Absolute bull @!$%#e.. This whole thing reeks of a conspiracy.. Shoddy reporting and even shoddier police work. What ties this perpetrator to the Colorado crime? A dark sedan? Police are just looking to tie this one up with the first chance they can get. A dead alleged "shooter" tell no tales.. Oh yeah.. DNA will solve this one and you can't prove them wrong..
Well, maybe his shooting a Texas law enforcement officer three times made them suspicious. And a 100 mph car chase probably didn't help allay that suspicion. And, FYI, DNA is what they're currently looking at.
Ooooooh, a police conspiracy? You need to come out of your backwoods Montana cabin once in awhile......
The high speed chase, exchange of gunfire, Domino's jacket & pizza box in the back seat, Colorado plates and vehicle description may have had something to do with the assumption.
But I do agree with your premise of shoddy reporting...MSNBC seems to do a lot of shoddy reporting.
Love it, people are lead by the nose.. Believe everything you read here.. It must be true.. now if you will excuse me I'm going back to my cabin in Montana.
Liberal America, with it's perverted notion of altruism keeps letting evil back on the streets in the name of mercy. And when evil strikes again -- as it inevitably will -- they blame weaponry. Just as you can't keep weaponry away from North Koreans, and you couldn't keep Hilter from arming, you aren't going to stop criminals and crazies from finding weapons. You just have to remove those people from society, one way or another.
Liberal America caused this? The guy was listening to Glenn Beck as he was shooting at cops.
Dumbdog, go crawl back under the rock you came from
Funny. You assume he was listening to Glenn Beck. I listen to radio all the time and have never heard of him. I had to look him up and I can see he has over 400 radio stations. You assume people listen to that just because your so biased and bigoted. Why don't you base your opinions on fact rather then ridicule. This I might add is no one else fault but the perpetrator himself. I will agree though that our justice system is out of control. 7.5 million people on parole only to commit more crimes against all of us. Good luck to all of us.
John Smith, You accuse liberals of allowing excesses of the type Hitler used, yet you seem to embrace the very tactics that made Hitler the monster he was.
Where is Glenn Beck? Haven't seen or heard him in years. John .. what in my post was "Hitler-ish". You're nuts. (By the way, members of my family fought Hitler and his leftist scum).
Let this be an example to you, kids - stay in school - "John Smith" thinks Hitler was a leftist when he was extremely right wing (which happens to be the direction the Tea Baggers are dragging the Republicans!). What a dolt.
John Smith, My family did too, George Bush's family financed him.
Mid ... do some research. Lots of scholars agree than Hitler came from the left. The Volkswagon doesn't exactly sound like a typical right wing idea, now does it? The Bush's "financed" Hitler? lol That's a good one. Actually, he got a lot of support from Lindbergh, Henry Ford and even WEB Dubois in the early days. (Of course Dubois supported anyone who wanted to destroy America, including Stalin).
Well...One less convict and one less OINK...We're even. Probably both Republicans, if so, we win 2-zip.:)
So you are happy a cop got killed, what a piece of garbage you are
Dan..I love pork chops! But then again, I have no love for PIGS!
jackloye69
Also dead was a pizza delivery guy, so I guess your score should be 2-1. (You need to assume, by your sick reasoning, that the pizza guy was a Democrat, probably part of Romney's 47%.) See, it's easy to make everything political. Assinine, but easy.
MNpat..I'll go for that, OK?
jackloye69--People who whine about cops are inevitably criminal morons who have way too much interaction with the police and don't like the interference in their criminal activities. Stupid and criminal? If the shoe fits, jack.
So, jackloye69, you agree you're assinine and use sick reasoning? That's the first step in rehabilitating yourself - recognizing your faults.
Go back to your prison cell jerk, oh, sorry, its jack.
the officer he shot in bowie, texas is alive you idiot. he was in stable condition this morning. that from the denton record chronicle where i live an hour from bowie, 30 minutes from decatur
Everyone knows that most cons are democrats, duh
bill dep or should i say derp!!!!! shut up you are making an ass out of yourself
Actually, just the opposite is true. Majority are Republicans but not by a whole lot, only7%. But it really doesn't matter much because when you are convicted of a felony, you lose your right to vote , unless you petitation them to be restored and that isn't always done. Depends on the crime and how long ago you completed parole.
Not all States forbid a felon from voting; some apply it only while the person is actually in prison. But it seems that States that have a disproportionate number of minorities in prison, and are run by Republicans take away the vote forever from felons.
If a person has paid their debt to society, they should be allowed to vote. One might be surprised what wide range of crimes a felony can encompass. Not just murder, etc.
After three days of news coverage, one thing I am sure of , is the shooter did not use a semi-automatic rifle. They have not yet identified the weapon he used, but if it had been an "assault weapon", that would have been the only detail released and rehashed every 5 minutes.
Tarazan - even though I almost never agree with people who use stupidly puffed up screen names, I'm with you.
Forget about 'assault weapons.' Simply outlaw all automatics and semi-automatics, period. Keep it simple, then the gun nuts can understand it.
i can butterfly a single action pistol just as fast as a semi automatic can fire..... and my bolt action 300 win mag makes the ar15 .223 look like a bb gun... i will take my bolt action and a 1000 yds over a .223 any day.
but man i sure love the way a noveske AR15 runs FLAWLESS
JimD-406742 Screw you liberal A$$ wipe.
Wow, THAT's a convincing argument "Boozer" (obviously a true moniker if ever there was one.) Didn't you ever get past the name calling social "skills" you learned in pre-school?