I was thinking the same, that I just hope this isn't another "Susan Smith" story.

If this is a true story we haven sunk to a new low. I find it hard to beleive though. They kill a baby but not the mom after she supposedly tried to protect her kid? Something about this sounds very fishy.

RwEvans, Jonathan F

If she had shot the baby and herself in the leg, where is the gun? It would not be to far from the scene.

Very sad if it is true. But, something doesn't sit right here.

My condolences to the family of this innocent little baby. RIP.

My first reaction was to think of Susan Smith. I don't know how I feel about that. Do I hope I'm right or do I hope I'm wrong? Poor little guy.

starbuck49, as of yet there really isn't enough info to form a sincere opinion about this. I see your point, but until more information is out on this i'll reframe from saying it is one way or the other. I do think with her saying these were such young kids, which overall is unusual, in more likely to believe her since in most cases if the report is fake it's the usual 18 to 25 young black male, not 10 to 15..

Common sense 1.1

You have it backwards. Video games, movies, TV, and music aren't creators of evil; they are but reflections of society in its current state.

I thought of Susan Smith too, except that I doubt that anyone would make up 10- and 15-year-old muggers. This is a disturbing story all around.

If these were indeed young muggers and the "parents" of these boys can be located, they should be held as much to account for this crime. We are seeing more of this sort of thing and it is time to put an end to the whole family cycle of crime.

First thing I thought of was Susan Smith... even before getting to where she just had a gunshot to leg...

I do think violence needs to be curbed in video games and movies and TV. Depiction of violence is not freedom of speech ---- or at least it isn't always freedom of speech.

There's no context for these games. I don't object to the games themselves, but when they are played for hours by youths too young for them, especially if these youths are largely neglected and/or abused outright, have few role models, and are kicked out of the house because Mother needs to watch TV while doing drugs or entertaining male "friends," then the games become a part of a cycle that I have seen all too often.

The baby's father, Louis Santiago, said to WAWS-TV, "Why? Why my little one? You know? You feel they could have just taken the pocketbook and go."

ummm........ because she said she didnt have one?

Not buying this story. Sorry, but its hard to believe the two boy muggers, went so out of their way to shoot a baby. They better not "leave any stone unturned". Know what I'm sayin?.. know what I'm sayin??

although it seems unbelievable, I do believe she is telling the truth; the gang members are becoming younger , they have no feelings for anything but their gang loyalty; the inner city gangs are even recruiting 14 and 15 year old to make hits for the gang, since if they are caught they can only do juvenile time(release at 18-21 yrs old), in some inner city's they have even found children as young as ten, with firearms walking the streets at night, it is now open warfare in moist of our inner city's.

This is what is happening to today's youth. They want something they take it, no responsibility or accountability -- this I lay blame SQUARELY on the parents. If children learn, at an early age, that actions have repercussions this shouldn't happen. Parents need to monitor what children watch on TV, movies, and especially violent video games but then that seems to be too much "work" for these baby breeders.

I hereby place a bet that her version of the story is not true.

Isn't killing or robbing someone a gang initiation thing. Recruiting minors has it's benefits, because they are juveniles, and get extra special treatment by the judicial community. She may be telling the truth.

Would have been easy enough to check the mother for gun powder on her hands. Can't fire a gun without residue being left behind on you.

By tomorrow, police will, for the sake of thoroughness, ask her to reenact the scene just to go over details. She will then tell a slightly different story. Be it the shoving part, or where they were standing, or whatever.

Its going to start unraveling soon. They are checking attendence rolls at all the city and county schools looking for boys fitting the description.

gm Creek Dog, Tramp

Now this is news. I imagine it's pretty difficult for two muggers to shoot a baby while in a stroller, no matter how young they are.

This story has a video, a little bit down, of her account of what happened..

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/22/georgia-mom-shot-in-leg-and-baby-killed-in-stroller-by-kids-with-gun/

People, someone has commented on another site that she heard the gunshot and the woman screaming. Let's not rush to judgment. I am suspicious too, but it's too early to make up our minds. She could very well be telling the truth, despite our being traumatized and jaded by cases such as that of Susan Smith. As I have said before, I've seen a lot from young offenders and this is not impossible.

At any rate, placing bets either way is distasteful, TFNJ. Let's not go there.

TFNJ,

Thanks for the link. Reading her face tells a lot. There seems to be some truth behind the pitches in her voice, and her eyes don't show the tale tale signs of lieing. Up and to the left is generally telling a lie. She looks down while telling the story like she's looking at her baby in the stroller.

At any rate, placing bets either way is distasteful, TFNJ. Let's not go there

Its a good thing I don't need your permission to express my thoughts.

I think I believe her....this is typical action from wannabe street trash...

.hey mofo, I wants to be a gangsta!! Hey...is my pants down low enough?? Let me ax you...am I cool or what??

(sickening)

Can't say with 100% certainty how every person would react, but I would think MOST people would be frantic, if not almost comatose. She seems a little calm to me. You can see in the video she was able to limp away. I guess these horrible muggers were kind enough to give her a simple flesh wound. I know what you are saying Dawgfan, as I look at that for the same reason. But something does not seem right.

Even to expect that two muggers so willingly shot a little baby in the head. And she says she tried giving the baby CPR. What type of gun was used? I won't be graphic, but you can see where I'm going with this.

I hear ya tfnj. It doesn't make sense, but if true we are talking about two young teens or younger. They won't really understand the consequences of pulling a trigger until they are in a Juvenile Facility. Hopefully the perp (whom ever that is) will find some kind of guilt and go ahead and kill themselves.

something just doesn't seem right with this, if they were gang members as someone mentioned in another comment, why would the kill the baby and just wound the mother (who can identify them) in the leg?

True that it is not impossible. But too many "wait a minute" moments in hearing her story. They actually warned her that they would shoot the baby? One story says they then shoved her out of the way, while another says they shot (grazed) her leg, then shoved her. So its not clear how the exact events happened. But either way, during the "shoving", I would have half their faces clawed and imbedded in my nails before I cleared the path to my baby. While they are shoving, they can't be aiming.

if she did shoot herself to divert the attention and back up her story, this will fall apart the minute the check her gun shot injury, they can easily tell if a gunshot was self inflicted or done by someone else. lets wait for the findings before jumping to conclusions.

if her story is true, well this is such a sad state of affairs for a 1st world society to fall in.

UncleBen-3793367

Isn't killing or robbing someone a gang initiation thing. Recruiting minors has it's benefits, because they are juveniles, and get extra special treatment by the judicial community. She may be telling the truth.

#1.18 - Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:59 AM EDT

Very good observation. Hadn't thought of that.

Take care...

TFNJ &Amused Muse I agree with both of you .My 1st thought was comapssion, then within a sec. wait a min. & a momma bear! their heads would be taken from their shoulders. Don't know what to think these days. She should of been packing!

Carryingconcealed,

You want to ban corporal punishment, you want to have kids but let daycare raise them, you want homos to raise children, you want to be your kids' buddy but not their parent, and this is the end-result. An entire generation with absolutely no respect for anyone, and only care about what they can get for themselves

who raises a child has nothing to do with what thugs do, it is what you are taught while being raised. Some households have no choice but to have child care of one type or the other, that does not mean that the parents can't teach them respect, that is where the problem is, these kids are NOT being taught respect for themselves or others, no matter where the parents come from or what their lifestyle is.

SpyderGirl

My first reaction was to think of Susan Smith. I don't know how I feel about that. Do I hope I'm right or do I hope I'm wrong? Poor little guy.

This was my first reaction too, I also think UncleBen has a good point, however this plays out very sad for the poor little baby.

There's going to be hell to pay for those two. They won't be able to hide now that she knows what they look like. A lot of people here are suspicious of the mother, which I think is a tragic blame-the-victim reaction, but I suppose it's possible.

CarryingConcealed (great nic) in the video the mother is white, the father is hispanic, the two "muggers" are black.

Carryingconcealed, you're one of the reasons guns should be banned.

CarryConcealed is one of those idiots that anyone with a slightly Hispanic name must be an illegal. Of course they were never here before a few years ago. I guess he forgot Texas was once part of Mexico.

One wonders why so many in this country are too stupid to actually hold a job.

I normally don't like the idea of juveniles being tried as adults: But for this 15 year old monster, I'll happily make an exception here

Carryingconcealed, not to expose your ignorance, but Antonio is a Latin name. given to people from many parts of the world, including Europe, South America, and the Islands, as well as Mexico.

I am Puerto Rican, born in New York City, served in the US Marine Corp, and my name is Antonio. What you got to say now redneck? LOL

Very fishy sounding.

Ebeneser, I think we'll be looking at the mother. This has nothing to do with liberals whatsoever. It is conservatives who promote ignorance even by their very definition so can the nonsense. Diane Downs comes to mind unfortunately. She shot her three kids and then had a superficial wound to the arm. Why would the father say "Why not take the pocket book and go?" The mother said she told them she didn't have money. This whole story is fishy.

We now have 40 million illegals in this country. Not 11 million as the government would have you believe. We know this because a few years ago the United Nations did a census in Mexico and Latin America. They found towns almost completely abandoned and 40 million missing. The family members that were left behind weren't worried though, they knew where they went. Nearly all questioned said that their missing relatives, friends and neighbors had gone to the United States. 40 million, not 11.

ExYahooUser, this story is the perfect example of why guns should NOT be banned. How many comments are posted above hypothesizing that these kids did this as some sort of gang initiation? If that's true, do you really think these kids wouldn't have had a gun? If you answer yes then you have proven the world right that all you lefty whack-jobs really are just as ignorant and naïve as the world thinks you are. If you answer no, then it only makes sense that this woman could have saved her baby's life if she had a gun of her own strapped to her hip. Either way you answer, you lose the argument.

FWalsh, you have just shown the true strength of your ignorance, thank you for posting that!

@TFNJ,

I get where you're coming from but, as you know from living in NY, that sometimes things just do happen that defy logical rationale. Not saying I disagree with your POV but after living over 30 yrs in NY/NJ, I've seen more than my share of 'senseless' events go down. Btw, thanks for your service. Semper Fi.

My God, this story has to be true. I have to think forensics can tell if the woman shot a gun and the angle at which the bullet entered her leg would be telling as well. If true, whomever did this should get the type of treatment they give in the M.E. Hang them by their feet and let others just beat them to death.

I got ya, and senseless yes. But.. senseless enough to blast away a babies head? No. In order for them to get a head shot on that baby, they had to be standing right over him. Right after they shot the kid, what did the mother do? She was able to move, as shown in the video. With a limp, but able to move. Especially with adrenalin kicking in. She looks like a.. uh.. healthy woman. How far could they have pushed her out of the way that she couldn't immediately rush back and try to prevent the shot, or further shooting?

The police chief explained to the media that this town has 15,000 residents, and it a historic, quiet, upscale and mostly crime free area. So while having youth walk around with a weapon looking for someone to mug is common in some places, this town is not one of them. Not saying its not possible, but its just another "hmm" moment in this story.

And, not to defend criminal scum that walk the streets mugging people, and I have seen my fair share, but shooting this baby in the head is something unheard of, and doesn't make sense.

And thanks. :)

They don't live far from where the shooting took place.

Terrable, but I don't understand why no description the Police ask for peoples help but don't give a description, other then 10 to 15 that doesn't say much did they have blue eyes brown hair tall short fat what! how about what were they wearing? and the media never asked, whats going on? what are we not being told?

#1.16 Dotties Girl - this I lay blame SQUARELY on the parents.

You are correct, up to a point. However, if any politician would have the courage to change legislation that would limit federal funding for a mother who has more than two children on welfare, this would be a step in the right direction. It would give the message that multiple-birth mothers will need find other means of support, i.e., their families or the baby's papa. I like that idea very much.

This is just awful. I feel for that mother and father.

I think it's time for parents to start being charged along with their children in certain cases. This one in particular. What 10 year old has access to a gun?

Terrible, terrible tragedy. The death of an innocent - it doesn't seem humanly possible that anybody could do such a thing; and just can't speculate about who did what. Condolences to the family of this precious little one.

For some reason something doesn't sit right with me. Two juveniles 10 and 15. Did she know them? Why didn't they say "approximately 10 & 15" Just seems odd. I really feel horrible for this family. It just seems strange that they shot the baby in the head and then her in the leg. Why didn't they kill her when they had already killed the baby? It would make more sense to leave the baby alive. The baby can't testify against them. My condolences to the family. This is a horrible crime. If it is a gang initiation I hope they catch them quickly because they obviously have no qualms about killing

If they are in inner city gangs all of them have access to guns.. This kind of killing goes on every day in Africa.. 10 year old children given an AK47 and told to kill people of other tribes/villages by the Islamic insurgent group.. Thousands of people hacked to death with machetes, burned to death with fire while being tied to a tree or just clubbed to death.. This is the culture that is growing in our cities..

What I "got" to say, TFNJ, is that you might want to consider investing a few bucks into a program called Hooked on Phonics.

What I said wasn't derogatory toward hispanics in general, but rather merely intended to point out that we have a bad illegal immigration problem in this country, and a lot of crime can be contributed to that. If the dad isn't illegal then he's not illegal, but the odds are about the same as a coin-toss that he is.

I'm just trying to figure out what your time in the Marine Corps has to do with anything? Because your name is Antonio and you were in the military, that somehow invalidates my hypothesis? By whose logic?

I spent over a decade in the Corps myself, so do me a favor and spend a little time proof-reading your posts if you're going to represent the Green Machine.

exyahoouser said: "Carryingconcealed, you're one of the reasons guns should be banned."

Yes, and I'm quite certain that that supposed . . . uh . . . was it an insult? Yes, that supposed insult actually makes sense in your make-believe world, huh?

r. scalzo sadi: "CarryConcealed is one of those idiots that anyone with a slightly Hispanic name must be an illegal. Of course they were never here before a few years ago. I guess he forgot Texas was once part of Mexico.

One wonders why so many in this country are too stupid to actually hold a job."

Well I supposed one could also wonder how someone who lacks the intelligence to make their point without calling people stupid and ignorant, as well as makes childish, baseless claims regarding their employment status, could actually be taken seriously when they interrupt an adult conversation, couldn't one?

HHHmmm, NBC doesnt have a description of what the boys look like. Even if the woman can't remember too much, Im sure there is at least one thing she told police that NBC chose to leave out. PC is more important than finding a baby killer.

Something stinks in this story. If she was covering the baby with her body how did she only get shot in the leg? How did she know they were 10 and 15 years old if she didn't know them or never seen them before? I can tell you this.....if someone was pointing a gun to my baby's head, I would become the worlds strongest women!!! Her story does not add up at all to me....just my opinion. Poor little baby......

My "phonics" was a way to be a smartarse to you there Concealed. I'm funny that way. Your assumption that the name immediately signified Mexican, then used that as an excuse to go on an immigration rant, left me not caring what you thought. Since the kid's name is Antonio, and you have to assume that it means Illegal Immigrant, I thought I'd demonstrate how there are MANY cases where it doesn't. Comprende Amigo?

I'm not defending illegal immigrants or Mexicans, I'm fighting ignorance.

Having seen the video of her interview, I do not believe this woman. I would be hysterical and uncontrollable if my child had been shot to death in front of me, and would have been screaming for help. There were a few tears from her eyes in the interview, but not believable, in my opinion.

I beleive a baby was murdered.. but nothing else about this story. No way. She's full of sh!t. And worse- I bet she knows who did it.

I agree with Amuse, lets not rush to judgement. I agree this story is very suspect, especially her only being shot in the leg, but lets face it, we have seen plenty of stories of young kids torturing and killing little kids, so it is not unthinkable that this 15 year old would shoot a baby if he was deranged enough. The 10year old was probably just drug along with him and didn't really realize what was going to happen. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the mother, or even father who set it up, but rushing to that judgement at this point seems premature.

This happened in Georgia, the state that ships most of the guns to Chicago and New York. They love guns so much that they recently asked college students to start carrying concealed weapons. The white older males are so frightened that they carry concealed weapons almost everywhere and, occasionally, shoot unarmed teenagers if they feel threatened. There is even a town where it is against the law not to have a gun. Do NOT try to do business in Georgia, you are very likely to be mugged or shot. The education level (never high) is plummeting and whatever charm the old South may have held for you has been displaced by anger, racism, political corruption, and re-segregation. This crime - youths shooting a baby in the face - is an illustration of the ease at which guns can be obtained - cardboard boxes of hand-guns are available for 5 or 10 dollars in pawn shops. Background checks? "Against the law" (citing the U.S. Constitution). Secession is promoted and citizens are so well armed and anxious to shoot that gun fire can be heard round the clock.

This is tremendously sad. It's easy to get caught up in the video game/ entertainment "cause" for youth violence, and I certainly don't discount these things as a contributor. In fact I believe our youth are bombarded with sex and violence for the most part from the time they wake up until the time they go to sleep.

Another sad contributor is neglect. Whether intentional or out of necessity. Kid's are spending more and more time on their own. I work with some local youth. For some the only regular meals they get are through the breakfast and lunch program at school. In most cases, these kids go home to an empty house because they either have a single parent or both parents have to work. Most of these kids have large portions of time that is unsupervised. I'm no different than anyone else, I read a story like this and the first thing I want to say is, "Where are their parents?" Sometimes the answer is ," They only have one and he or she works two jobs." Granted there are a lot of times that the answers is "His or her parent(s) are neglectful selfish pigs."

At any rate, I don't think this type of thing heals itself. We can't really hold each other accountable, although we all try to do just that by condemning the parents, blaming this political party or that political party or, by demanding the law do something more (I spew these same concepts myself). I really think the only postitive thing any of us can do is volunteer some time in our local community. You'll get kinda dirty, and it can be tough on your heart, maybe you'll make a difference, maybe not but it is rewarding to know you're taking action rather than just demanding it.

For what it's worth

17 year old and a 14 year old black males arrested in this case. 17 year old will be treated as an adult.

If you answer no, then it only makes sense that this woman could have saved her baby's life if she had a gun of her own strapped to her hip. Either way you answer, you lose the argument.

Ahh yes the quick draw. Just like in the westerns. Our hero is surrounded at gun point. With blinding speed he pulls his 30 round revolver shoots them all dead and holster his gun before they hit the ground.

I'm not anti gun. But that's just fantasy.

That questionnaire was some thing else as well. Check yes to be right check no to be wrong.

Dawgfan, where did you get this update?

The parents who failed to raise these two thugs should be arrested as well. We need to start holding parents responsible when their underage little thugs have to be dealt with by the rest of us.

Chances are, the parents are nothing but some street thugs themselves.

Charge them, try them...... and END them............

That's is how you deal with violence..... you END it........

Most of you realize that juvenile crime is way down from the nineties right? So this "kids today"... "parents today" is utter garbage.

Updated at 4:30 p.m. ET: Two teenage suspects were arrested in a small coastal Georgia city a day after a baby was killed and his mom shot, authorities said Friday.

I guess it's understandable to be somewhat cynical these days but to all the previous posters that were so adamant that this woman killed her own child....learn from the errors of rushing to judgement. And for the racist posters who insinuate nonsense based on a Latin sounding name...well, there isnt much I can say to y'all. I guess everyone is set in their ways, whether they be good or bad. Good luck to the human race when a mother has to endure a tragedy such as this and society is seemingly more concerned about voicing ignorant opinions instead of offering any sympathy whatsoever. With that said, my sympathies to the family and friends who now have to deal with this senseless act of cowardice.

Fox News

DEVELOPING: Two teenage boys were arrested Friday in the shocking shooting death of an infant, killed in the stroller his mother was pushing.

One suspect is a 17-year-old boy, who is considered an adult under Georgia criminal law. The other suspect is 14.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/22/police-georgia-infant-killed-while-pushed-in-stroller/?test=latestnews#ixzz2OIzmkQVp

Hey TFNJ, comments now that we have two POS wanna be gangbangers arrested. Now we know why NBC did not give full descriptions of the perps since they could have been Obama's sons.

It is because of scum like these two rejects that everybody should be carrying their own weapon. Gun bans wouldn't have helped this one bit - scum don't follow laws. What you need is a .357 revolver in your purse or in your pocket and protect yourself when scum like this pokes their nasty little heads.

Now these rejects will get a trial and hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) will be spent on these pieces of scum from trial through their prison sentences when if she had a gun we could have solved this problem with $2.50 worth of ammunition.

Love how this story is buried thanks to the fact that it is two black kids that did the killing, but the white supremacist story stays up front and in large font. To all the sucktards that just couldn't believe the story, if it had been a black woman screaming we would be talking about those evil gun loving rednecks.

This post is to all the nasty posters who doubted the mother's story. You need to repent for your hateful and mean spirited comments. An innocent baby was needlessly murdered, and his parents are in shock and grief stricken. You need to stop being so judgmental and understand that people grieve in many different ways. One day God will deal with these two criminals, and it will not be too kind. My deepest sympathy to Ms. West and her husband in the loss of their precious baby boy.

I want to know where Obama's outrage is over this. He should be outraged at every sinceless murder regardless of the race of the victim. It would do him well to help the black community become better law-abiding citizens, and he needs to start with Chicago and Detroit, the armpits of America.

Just watched the video of the mother and father and don't believe it for one second, people that sob without a tear in their eyes are usually lying their asses off.

Well, TFNJ, if you're truly on a quest to fight ignorance, might I suggest you start by punching yourself in the face two or three or twenty times?

And listen, amigo, when you are addressing someone by a name, title, adjective, etc., you use a comma before it. Comprende?

Hooked on Phonics, baby...Hooked on mother f***ing Phonics.

I agree with those who maintain that our youth is becoming more and more violent at younger ages, as well as more sexually out of control at younger ages. This sort of lifestyle has been confined to the inner city for many years, propogated by poverty, broken families (which leads to more poverty), drugs (which leads to more poverty), breeding like dogs (which leads to more poverty) and a culture of violence before their eyes and ears from the time they are born.

Now, this lifestyle has spread out to the mainstream society (yes, it is thanks in many respects to the liberals promotion of permissive lifestyles previously mentioned) and we are seeing more kids from middle class families raised without fathers, mothers not home, surrounded by violence on TV and video games, drugs everywhere. The kids are messed up and are not developing normally in too many cases. We address the gun issue (which I do feel is valid) but refuse to touch any of the above issues. Why? They are sacrosanct to the liberal "progressives" who live in denial to any connection with the kinds of newstories we are hearing more and more.

@ProBiz,

What you need is a .357 revolver in your purse or in your pocket and protect yourself when scum like this pokes their nasty little heads.

AMEN to that. Honest question for you: Would you prefer CCW or a nation-wide Open Carry Law? I'm talking right on the hip for all to see. The more things keep going the way they're going, it might be a prudent idea. Think about it. Absolutely NO ambiguity as to whether or not that 'mark' is carrying...thinks the perp in waiting. Ya, it may be utterly Wild West but back then there were no 'gun-free' zones and other foolishness. People, both law-abiding AND criminal, knew where they stood. At all times. I see nothing wrong with that concept.

TFNJ,

I've finally figured out what that stands for; Total F'n Nut Job! I've heard more reasonable statements from 10 year olds than anything you've posted here today!

To all of you that are so proud of yourselves that you didn't rush to judgement for this poor mother, I hope you are also using the same sense toward these 2 guys. If they did as accused I hope they rot in prison. But so far they have been charged, not convicted. Let's see what the evidence is and make sure it's more than just that they weren't in school that day.

Carryingconcealed, instead of blaming liberals for being too tolerant, why don't you look at yourself and others like you. All the hate you put out there does more damage to society than tolerance ever will.

Michael4yah, you definately gave me the laugh of the day. Your scientific methods at proving there are 40 million illegals in this country just amazes me. Let's see, there are 40 million Mexicans missing, must be in America illegally. Whole towns empty except for a couple relatives that were left behind to point out where their loved ones are. Maybe the rapture happened and you missed the bus.

The mother says the youngest may have been as young as five years old. How do you get five years old out of a fourteen year old? I can't see that at all.

If these were indeed young muggers and the "parents" of these boys can be located, they should be held as much to account for this crime. We are seeing more of this sort of thing and it is time to put an end to the whole family cycle of crime.

Hell, I heard somewhere that it takes a village to raise a child. Let's lock up the whole town of Brunswick!

sad deal...poor baby...they ought to play some lullaby music at the jail...for the incarcerated 17 year old...to listen to...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwdPCWTstBs

Creek Dog "Very sad if it is true. But, something doesn't sit right here."

Why?

I find it far more believable that this 17 year old punk would kill a baby in cold blood than that the mother would do it. In any event, one of the punks will talk, so we'll know the truth soon.

Those would seem to be the only two likely scenarios. And if people showed up right after the killing, where was the gun if the mother murdered her son in cold blood and then shot herself?

I think this situation makes a valid argument for the death penalty for juveniles. Shoot a baby? In the head? Seriously? What is going through your head that makes that even remotely considerable? Maybe your folks should get the death penalty too, they made ya!

Well they don't have to bother trying to get the death penalty. Just put him in general population even in todays F'ed up criminal world you don't shoot a baby in the head. The parents should get a list of inmates in the prison and start visiting them one at a time and tell them the story. It won't take to long for someone to take this prick down.

"I was thinking the same, that I just hope this isn't another "Susan Smith" story."

Did the Police ever VERIFY that the woman had no money at all? Did anyone even ASK HER after the report was filed?

Police advise citizens to cooperate when a thief give a command, so as not to antagonize them. She did not cooperate or even attempt to do so. Take the purse, the bag, the shoes - whatever - the show what you're saying is true. The thief wants the MONEY.

Of course - these two may have only had murder on their minds, and not money and it may not have made a difference.

This is truly as very sad situation. I, as many of you think this sounds fishy. Why kill a 13 month baby who cannot identify the perp. Kill the person who can but she has a "nonthreatening" GSW. Huh???? If she wanted her baby dead, she didn't need to do it herself, people will pay quite a bit of money to have it done. And with a 14 and 17 year old, it could be done.

@Dotties girl;

This is what is happening to today's youth. They want something they take it, no responsibility or accountability -- this I lay blame SQUARELY on the parents. If children learn, at an early age, that actions have repercussions this shouldn't happen. Parents need to monitor what children watch on TV, movies, and especially violent video games but then that seems to be too much "work" for these baby breeders.

I can agree to a point and currently we do not know anything about either boys families. Even though legally, the 17 yr old is not considered an adult, he know, both of them knew what they were doing. Even if Ms. West was involved, these boys are 100%, SOLELY responsible for this. Not mom and dad. I never murdered anyone, however, I did break the law in my youth, mostly stealing but I NEVER blamed my parents. I was responsible for my actions and I was held accountable when I got caught. I knew right from wrong, and I chose to be wrong. What parents need to be held accountable for is raising self-serving, I deserve everything, not disciplining their children, and so much more. We have a generation growing up that believe they do not have rules or follow basic human behavior in society, and being respectful in general. Murder is law, however, is above and beyond a parent blame, unless they knew what was going to happen and did nothing to stop it. Yes, parents need to be so involved in their child's life, they should know pretty much everything, however, this is also not 100% realistic. When they step out that door, you pray you have done a good job in teaching right from wrong, but it is technically out of our hands. Video games do not make people murders, it is just a facilitator to a precursor of who they are.

Shame a abortion doctor could not have killed that child whores untie and stop gun violence!

Don't they have a five year old picture of that seventeen year old? Was there any candy involved? Was the baby's name Antonio Westwhoishispanic or Antonio Santiagowhoiswhite? You are not living up to your usual journalistic standards NBC.

I hadn't considered the Susan Smith scenario, anything is possible, but I believe the story so far. If Adam Lanza can do what he did in Conn. these two suspects could have done the same thing in Georgia, regardless of age or race. A teenager just got sentenced in Mississippi for killing a victim with his vehicle based on hate. Then there was the Chicago baby shooting a few weeks ago, alledgely gang-related.

Is NBC going to edit the 911 calls to prove that everyone is racist and these two "boys" are innocent victims? Or is adding "White Supremacist" to the Colorado murder headline and increasing it's font size the only race-baiting they are going to do today?

They have arrested a seventeen and fourteen year old for this, though the mother says one of the boys looked to be five years old.

Something is just not right here.

A couple of animals - De'Marquis and some other worthless thug.

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The difference is that (I don't think) they arrested anyone in the Susan Smith case, did they? Other than Susan herself.

If the story is true, I'd press for hate crime charges.....though you'd never get that unless it's a white teen killing a black baby...

AmericanDefender9 said:

Honest question for you: Would you prefer CCW or a nation-wide Open Carry Law?

I actually think CCW is better. There are many who don't understand guns and they would get freaked out. Parents would pull their kids away/etc. Would incorrectly think it is turning into a lawless wild west.

I like when I am in, say, Walmart and just doing my shopping. Families looking at things and nobody has any idea I have two guns on me. I live in Florida and we are the first state to surpass the one million concealed weapons permits. That means 1 out of every 19 has a carry conceal permit but if you don't count the kids under 21 (who are not yet eligible to get a carry conceal permit) it is estimated at 1 in 14 has a permit. So when I walk through Walmart I imagine that about every 20 people is carrying and I feel so much safer knowing that many people are carrying like me.

My hope is I never need them but I would rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them.

Also, I want the criminals to always wonder "what if". If they see a pistol on my belt they know to go to the next victim. I don't want them to know either. My wife carries a nice .38 revolver. Petite little country girl with a southern drawl. Looks like a defenseless little lady but can shoot a flea off a dogs ass at 15 feet away. They would be making a big mistake..............

Make the criminals always wonder if their next victim will be a defenseless victim or if THEY will be the victim.....

So what does Rev. Al have to say about all of this. I can't wait to hear his line of bullsh!t come Sat. morning. Crimes like this point to a total breakdown of our society.

William B. Travis says:

OBAMA: "Just make sure every law abiding gun owner in America suffers for what those kids did!"

So, you would "suffer" if there are background checks for everyone who wants a gun? You would suffer if you couldn't have assault rifles, the weapons of war? You would suffer if you couldn't have high-capacity magazines? Funny, many on this site are discussing the pressure for these neglected and abused black kids to have guns, be "tough guys" and join gangs. Wow, Mr. Travis - sounds a bit like you. I bet you even joined the NRA gang.

I do think the woman's story is plausible. But that's why we have police - to investigate this kind of thing.

Dead Lanza mowed down 2 dozen helpless 6 year olds with his Bushmaster, but people doubt a baby-killing with a pistol- an atrocity too that may be street terrror.

No need to lynch a kid, but... Brunswick isn't all that. It's no Hilton Head. There are no monsters or misfits in Brunswick, Georgia? Shocking hell.

De'Marquise Kareem Elkins

With a name like that you would think he is the Prince of Sawiziland not a local thug. Who the hell has any money in that area anyway?

"Ah," says the NRA with glee. "More fear = more guns sold = more profit = more politicians can be purchased = no gun legislation = more babies and children killed = more guns sold = politicians bought = more profit.

A real win win for callously shameless politicians, the NRA, and the entire Murder Industrial Complex!

Odd how in the original iteration of the story NBC failed to give a description of the teens except age. I guess the mother could tell how old they were from their voices, but had no idea what color their skin was. Friggen pathetic "news" source.

So if they walked up to this woman and child with a machete do you really think the out come would have been any different, NO. These kids are murderers, period and if allowed to go free at any time in the future they will kill again. Maybe the next time it will be your baby,sister,mother,wife or anyone else who you love. Allow this Mother to identify them as the ones who did it then take them to the nearest concrete wall and put a bullet in their head, case closed. I do not care about their past or their age. There is no defence for taking another person's life except in the protection of yourself or family or even a stranger, there is no defence for harming a child by sexually abuse them or assalting them and I do not mean spanking. Execution will end this behaviour.

The NRA will now suggest that all we need armed guards at movie theaters (aurora), schools (sandy hook), when opening your front doors (the warden who was killed by an ex con that probably bought his weapon legally at a gun show), and now.... while walking your baby.

But I did love the post by Ebeneser Howard blaming every bit of violence in America on "liberals."

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA. Oh, some of these comments are good stuff.

All of you who are using Susan Smith as a paralell; read about this from some other news outlets. There were 4 shots fired at the mother; one grazed her ear and one hit her in the leg. Then the scumbag walked up to the baby and shot him in the head because he was such a @!$%#ty shot. I get so sick of the "blame the victim" mentality that I see here.

Reno, we used to call that bus the "window licker bus", lol.

I want to see Michelle Obama at this baby's funeral.

I want to see her at yours.

I'd like to hear Jackson and Sharpton, or even President Obama say something to this mother. Even Trayvon's mother could stop her publicity tour for a minute and reach out to this white mother as a gesture of humanity and compassion.

This is an opportunity, tragic as it is, for this country to come together across race lines, and it is up to the black community to take the steps.

Not one of them has made a move, or if they have it hasn't been reported.

TheRealChris

I want to see her at yours

What, Chris, she's only allowed at the funerals of black children?

There are gun deaths and child deaths every day, but this one is an aberation by the manner of death, the perpetrator, the victim, and the senseless cause. It deserves attention.

Chris - another viopacifist.

Reading these posts makes me more convinced that the biggest problem we face in this country is not debt, taxes, or obesity, but ignorance. How could so many people believe this woman shot her baby and herself and then made up some story about muggers to cover it up. Really?

You have to be really stupid or out of touch with reality to make such wild stretch of the imagination. Even with the Susan Smith episode in mind, this poor woman could not be seriously accused of lying. Where has intelligence, commonsense and simple logic gone? We seem to have become a nation of fantasy believers, always ready to ignore the facts and latch onto some Hollywood make believe nonsense before recognizing the truth.

We'll soon see a new TV series called American Idiot, or the Biggest Liar soar to the top of the ratings. For all those people who jumped to the conclusion that this woman faked her story to cover the willful murder of her own child, GET A GRIP ON REALITY for God sakes.

I found what you mean screm. This being black on white I hope we're not looking at the Simpson standard of justice again.

Makes me puke just looking at his picture. You can tell he has problems. You can tell he thinks everyone owes him something for nothing. Well I know one thing, that baby didn't owe this thug ass sob anything. I hope they send him straight to death row. Too bad he will have it easy on his way out of his miserable life.

So freakin tired of these low-life thug life loving sobs killing over money. Go out and work like the majority of us do. You think we like getting up every day and going to work just to support you useless pieces of dog crap?

They won't give him the death penalty. They will plead it down. He is only 17. He even has a baby of his own.

TFNJ

Not buying this story. Sorry, but its hard to believe the two boy muggers, went so out of their way to shoot a baby. They better not "leave any stone unturned". Know what I'm sayin?.. know what I'm sayin??

so what are you saying? that the mother shot her own kid? what are you thinking?

All of you armchair detectives need to give it a rest, the police are probably privy to a lot more information than any of you geniuses.

@RealChris,

I want to see her at yours.

Way to go with perpetuating the cycles of ignorance, intolerance and the inability to avoid being snarky in your comments. Seems you may enjoy your First Amendment Rights (re:your trollish comment) but tell us how you really feel about the Second Amendment.

Dear liberals, this is the society YOU have so adamantly asked...begged for.

And then there are those with a little more sense who might think it's the society that the those who talk about their right to shoot away all their problems and issues begged for. As much as republicans like to focus in on criminals with guns, you have identical arguments for unrestricted access.

Everything went to hell when they stopped lynchings.

Some households have no choice but to have child care of one type or the other,

Here is how it's done:
You date a decent person exclusively for three years, then you get engaged. You both work and save for the marriage for at least one year. The bride's father pays for a reasonable wedding and the couple enjoy a sensible honeymoon.

They move into a small apartment furnished with wedding gifts, donations from both sets of parents, and thrift store finds. They continue to work and save until they can afford for the woman to quit her job and raise their baby until it is old enough to enter school. Then she gets pregnant. After the child is in school, she takes a part-time job that allows her to be home and not exhausted when her child's school day is finished. When the child is 10 years old, she can work full-time and arrange for appropriate after-school care.

Of course, that requires planning, mature judgment, and sacrifice. On the other hand, it limits childbirth to responsible adults capable of being parents rather than immature breeders who ought to be sterilized.

It should be law.

Two African American teenagers in Georgia....where do you think they got the gun? Street dealer....there parents house...there local gang connection. It's not Mayberry anymore. It's more like south central LA in most places. They skip school and they go hang out on the corner or in a common gang hideout like an abandoned house or trailer. They go around looking to either sell drugs, rob somebody or for a house to break in.

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But this story does NOT indicate the race of the shooters. And the one is NOT a teen yet...10 isn't a "teen". There are many sources the kid could have gotten the gun from, but because they haven't been caught yet, we don't know that answer, do we? That is why I said "Lots of questions to be answered."

Because I followed the link to the local news article. They left out part of the mother's statement in the NBC article to avoid controversy.

The mother said "Two boys approached me. Two African American boys. One of them was about 15," said West. "He said, 'I'm going to kill you if you don't give me money,' and I said, 'I swear I don't have any.'"

Don't get all "he racist" before you check the original source.

The link states that she said 2 African American boys. After watching the video, she just whines with no tears and is seemingly together with the story like it had been rehearsed in her mind.

Most likely fatherless children that have only gangbangers for role models. What other outcome can one expect?

The boys might be on spring break like we are here. This is just an unbelievable story however it turns out. Poor baby, why would anyone do that?

Moderats

What the HE!! does politics have to do with this?

This is too movie of the week, I suspect these boys don't even exist.

So she didn't cry at that exact moment....Genuine grief comes in waves. Any shrink will tell you that. People at funerals act the same way. If she was faking it she would be crying her eyes out the whole time to gain sympathy and sell the story to idiots who watch too much TV and think she should be a train wreck the whole time. Something like this happening will make you dead inside.

I am white. In the late 1980s-early 1990s I was living in the section of Minneapolis that would later be known as a part of "Murderapolis." While walking from the bus stop one day, I saw two young African-American boys, around ten or eleven. One of them said, "If I had a gun, I'd shoot that lady right there."

I never forgot that.

Therefore, I can believe that two kids this young could shoot, although shooting a baby is still such a taboo, even among gang members (as a librarian I have dealt with gang members), that this story is difficult to believe. But this story is not implausible.

There is enormous, enormous peer pressure in the black community to have a gun and be "tough." I wonder if these two boys even understand that the baby will never live again. I have also seen, among young gang members, a mentality that shooting someone is like hitting them - they are "dead" for a while, then live again, is their thinking.

I have also seen the human side of gang members, the ones who melted a bit when shown some compassion. I'll also never forget the hardened man on the bus who told my now-ex BF, "Keep that beautiful lady close and protect her," and pointed at me.

It's the parents of these kids that I blame, and the "don't be a snitch/be tough" culture. I know how hard the social workers, pastors, and teachers in the African-American community are working to turn things around, and I have decided that, since my librarian job may be going away, I want to join them in their efforts.

African American? Since they do not know who they are, how can their nationality be known?

@Amused: If you saw a white child say something about shooting someone, would you take it as gospel or would you shrug it off as a child just talking tough? That fact is, that's all you saw. A child talking tough, but you claim it as anecdotal evidence that black children are murdering random people. That's evidence of nothing except your racial bias.

@Spike Because the mother saw who shot her and I'm just guessing maybe she could tell if they were African American or not. Because it says so in her statement in the local news article. There is a hyperlink at the top of the article that will take you to the original news story.

http://www.fox30jax.com/content/topstories/story/Parents-of-slain-baby-speak-out/yPcOWudQNEOIx63SsTKDww.cspx

Try reading the other comments or the article before asking questions that have already been answered.

@Wynstone You want anecdotal evidence of black children / teenagers killing people for no good reason just Google the local news for the past few weeks / years in Chattanooga / Atlanta areas.

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@Amused

There is enormous, enormous peer pressure in the black community to have a gun and be "tough."

This is absolute bullsh**. I am black. The only peer pressure in the black community I experienced was to do well...to outperform my parents and to give back to the community. You all are so absolutely racist that you can't even see how your misconceptions (how are you an authority on what kind of pressures black ppl encounter???) cloud your ability to be objective in the face of a story in which you have no evidence other than what is printed by the media.

And Randy.....while you're so busy pointing fingers at these horrible black teens killing people for no reason...why don't you point a few at the white ones shooting up elementary schools and malls.

A 10 and 15 year old hanging out together would probably be brothers. They would be in separate classes in school and both be absent and there is probably only one neighborhood school. That is where I would start looking.

The flesh wound to the leg does sound suspicious. But with no witnesses and no gun what can one prove?

I call BS, this screams murder of child and self inflicted wound to the leg. Seriously they shoot the kid in the head but can only manage to hit the mother in the leg? Not!

Randy and starbuck,

You both completely missed my point. American is a nationality, not a race. African-American is a ridiculous descriptor. No one can ascertain nationality by race, period.

e.g.---I was watching a Law and Order episode and a black woman was pulled from the river, and was described as African-American. Later it was revealed that she was from Africa, but was NOT an American. Thereafter she was described as black.

There are so many blatant racists on this site (VoiceAmerica and Carryingconcealed are two of the worsts), yet somehow Amused Muse gets called out?

I think not! If Ms. Muse had added the words "parts" to her statement, as in "There is enormous, enormous peer pressure in "parts"of the black community to have a gun and be "tough.", then would her statement be called out as racist?

If she has experience in an urban part of Minneapolis and is just recalling her experience, I think it's unfair to call her racist, especially in light of the overt and blatant racism on Newsvine.

Marj, I don't discount your feelings. That said, if you're going to call out people for racism, there's 1000 other newsviners out there that deserve to be called out and Muse isn't one of them. Sorry. And Wynstone, you made a giant leap of faith to take her statement and infer that she is "claiming anecdotal evidence that black children are murdering random people." That's not what she did.

I'll I'm saying is.... THERE ARE BLATANT RACISTS on Newsvine. How about going after them first. Amused Muse isn't one of them.

Ever notice that the really racist comments are formed in a way that just scream "grammar school dropout"? I can't help but think this people are so frustrated over their total lack of any success in their life they must attempt to tear down others.

Most of those who think they are true "gunslingers" wouldn't stand a chance in a true gunfight.

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I wonder if one of the shooters looks like Obammys' son. Let's wait to see what "Reverends" Al Sharpton and the "Rainbow Coalition" Scam Artist Jesse Jackson have to say about this incident. Maybe the NAACP, or the Congressional Black Caucus or Moochelle can offer condolences. Probably not if the baby is white.

So true. If this story holds up, we can only expect handwringing and waves of sympathy for the "poor little child" who pulled the trigger

...just like Lionel Tate, who murdered 8-year old Tiffany Eunick while "playing"

"the community" demanded leniency for that killer while poor Tiffany's mother wasn't given the time of day by the media - or anyone else, for that matter

Sick little thugs should be tortured. I wouldn't doubt if it was some type of gang initiation. I'm sure their single mothers and dead beat fathers with multiple other thugs running around could give a $hit. And these are the type of people that are taking hard working tax payer $$$ to live on. If a punk is not in school and commits a crime, the family should be stricken from the entitlement rolls.

I dont care if their 10 or 15 yrs old , you kill a little baby on purpose and YOU GET THE DEATH PENALTY, !

I dont want to see the parents of these little thugs on TV crying "my son is a good boy" bull@!$%#, you failed as a parent and now you get to watch them die, just like the mother of the little baby !

Yes and if the mom and baby were Black and the shooters White the President would already be on his pedestal calling for gun confiscations nation wide.. If this ends up being true it proves that inner city gangs are a clear and present danger and should be treated as terrorist organizations.. Black culture is akin to Islamic culture where the group/gang protects others in the group/gang no matter what they have done..

Harold, I'll do what I want when I want. The BLATANT racists are clearly trolls in my opinion. I could care less what the spout on about. It's people like you and amused that get in my craw and irk me to death. I can't stand it when well meaning, well intentioned people can't see their own biases. You and she are both biased. Her statement was racist as hell and I stand by my comment. There is just as much pressure for white boys to display toughness, to carry weapons, to be "men"... it doesn't make them any better than little black boys. Her comment suggested to me that she would see past all kinds of foolishness perpetrated by a young white teen and see him as troubled. MOREOVER...we don't even know if the story is true....this chick could be lying...or crazy...Speculating on the peer pressures of phantom black teens to become animalistic murderers is racist in my book all day every day. Have SEVERAL seats.

To all of the people thinking infanticide, the angle of the gunshot she received as well as other evidence will state if she did it or not. The story is quite thin so it's hard to discern what's happened. Hold on until more details come out. Personally, I won't follow this story so I won't know.

Amusing that some are so quick to cry "racist" when someone makes a comment. I'm sure just pasting in the FBI's crime statistics would be labelled racist. All this worrying about what race the various participants are is sort of lame...but when certain behaviors are predictable, you can either laugh, or cry "racist". If you laugh, then the tension is broken. If you call everything racist, you are a moron.

Now that they have the two that shot the baby in custody, don't you that didn't believe the story feel foolish? I know you look stupid... This is why we collect EVIDENCE and have TRIALS.

These two should NEVER see the light of day again.

Marj, if any kid said " If I had a gun, I'd kill you" to a perfect stranger, I think that would scar anyone. The woman that you ignorantly refer to as "chick" gives her background and association with individuals who may have told her about these influences to have a gun and be tough.

The only way you have a point is, like you said...if she was only struck by the statement because it came from a black teen instead of any teen...but the statement itself is shocking.

It's people like you and amused that get in my craw and irk me to death. I can't stand it when well meaning, well intentioned people can't see their own biases.

How did I get lumped in? Just because I stuck up for Amused Muse? What crap.

You and she are both biased.

As are you. As are all people. Like I tell my children.... we all have bias and we all take smelly dumps. The smart man doesn't talk about either. Bias is something to be ashamed of and you won't see my reveal mine, especially if I'm trying to make a point on Newsvine.

There is just as much pressure for white boys to display toughness, to carry weapons, to be "men"..

Maybe so, maybe not. Neither of us are sociologists out doing surveys. In my lilly white neighborhood growing up, there was absolutely ZERO pressure to carry weapons. In fact, if any teen or young adult in my neighborhood even dreamed of accessing "dad's" guns, what ever kid tried to do so would have gotten the ass-beatin of a life time. There was no pressure to carry weapons in my neighborhood and only a person showing bias would claim that. Actually, it was just the opposite. None of us were dumb enough to try to access dad's gun case (or even unsecured guns) if dad wasn't around. Granted, this was 30 years ago and today is different. But my mom still lives in the same neighborhood, and I was just there last weekend. I don't think it's much different. Maybe I'm wrong.

it doesn't make them any better than little black boys

No one tried to say it made them better and conversely, no one tried to say it made them worse either. All that was said was a recollection of experience from being in a tougher part of Minneapolis.

This is stupid. It matters not at all the race of the kids. Violence is everywhere amongst this generation--in middle class white communities it is on the rise. Every one of the mass school killings was in nice lilly-white neighborhoods. It's lifestyle and culture, people, not race that is the important point here. As has been mentioned, constant exposure through media from childhood will adversely form a child's sensibilities, especially when adults are not around to counteract and supervise what they are being fed. Dysfunctional families, substance abuse, financial troubles are ubiquitous in lilly white neighborhoods now, and these things all contribute to producing disturbed children. But we will not admit it--not yet. We'll have to soon, or we will self-destruct as a society.

ourdoc, did they have the trial that quickly? You just stated that's why we have trials but it sounds like you've already convicted them.

I think its high time we start holding parents responsible for their kids actions. Everytime I read a story like this eventually the parents come out and say they had no idea what their kids were into, why not? As parents we are supposed to know what our kids are into, who they hang out with, how they are spending their free time. I think too many parents want to be cool or hip, thats not our job, our job is to make damn sure our kids grow up right and know right from wrong, and are able to function in society. Its all walks of life too I have seen it in the poor neighborhood in Chicago i grew up in and seen it in Orange County CA. when I lived their before. People are having kids and have no interest in raising them, I call it the Pam Anderson attitude, you want to have kids but want to still party and live like your single, parents have a right to be happy and live their lives and obviously kids spometimes stray even from good upbringing, but if you have kids, thats it they are the more important of the two of you. Most all of the problems with kids today comes from the parents of today who dont say no, dont punish, give trophies for nothing and basically hold children to no kind of standards.

Hey Marj, "There is just as much pressure for white boys to display toughness, to carry weapons, to be "men"..."

Funny, when I was in school, to be tough meant you went toe to toe with someone who had a problem with you; to have a weapon was shameful! Maybe now, with teenagers steeped in pop culture, that might be different. But, correct me if I am wrong, don't young black kids pick on anyone who does well in school? Don't they call them "schoolboy" or "schoolgirl" as an insult? Like excelling is a bad thing? I have heard this from black friends and from my grandkids. There is a difference in our communities; maybe you should address the problem honestly instead of yelling "racism" anytime someone brings it up. The truth hurts; suck it up!

Marj and Wynstone, did you read the rest of my comment, or do you just want to pull the race card and bury your heads in the sand?

The fact is, there are different pressures on different communities. There is not the pressure in the black community to binge drink that there is in the white community. There is not the pressure to join a gang in the white community as there is in Asian and black communities. There is not the pressure to shoplift in the black community as there is in the white community. Sorry if you think that is racist, but I said nothing about one race being better than another, and you know it.

You just want to flame others in your comments instead of using your intelligence. Which I think you two have. I said that I want to join my colleagues in doing something about it. What are you doing?

P.S. Most of the people I encountered in that neighborhood where the child said that about me were black, because "racist" me lived in a largely black neighborhood at the time. I had my own troubles with bullies in the largely white small town in which I grew up, but guns were not a part of it, unless you want to count BB guns.

Oh, and I'll run my comments by the known gang members who I have come to have a relationship with in the course of my work, and ask them what they think about my racism. I think that I stated in my original post that even hardened gang members are quite appalled at crimes against children.

Mike C - you are right. When I was a kid (4 decades ago) there was a way that guys did settle things, and it wasn't with a gun. Now, anytime there are "Differences" or "Issues" these kids pull guns; and place no value on human life at all. Who in the name of decency could shoot an innocent tiny baby in the head? This is a devil; and nothing else.

As to holding the parents responsible for their miscreants, not only is it impossible to find two parents to contact; it's unlikely you'll find one parent that's responsible or that even supports their own child. Absentee dads and women popping out children without ever thinking twice that they have no father around for their children. This goes on in all cultures; don't blame any one group of people. These parents feel no need to marry - they're engaged - "Fiance" - after having 4 kids together. When did this become so well accepted? Try collecting your salary five years in advance before you work. Try retiring before you ever work. It's ridiculous; and if you don't know whether you want to marry someone after having a baby with them, don't have 3 or 4 more - move your indecisive self down the road, and stop having babies!!!!!!!!!!! Stop popping out babies like rabbits.

Photo of one of the thugs:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2176794/pg1

Amused Muse - While walking from the bus stop one day, I saw two young African-American boys, around ten or eleven. One of them said, "If I had a gun, I'd shoot that lady right there."

In how many Hollywood movies and TV shows is a white boy shown in cowboy gear shooting a man and saying "You're DEAD!!!" and it's played for laughs...? Do you think that it's funny?

Where you think this casual attitude about shooting comes from? Moderns street thugs emulate the whiskey-running gangsters of the 30s who shot up whole streets. Who started this trend?

Lab tests are back on TFNJ good news DNA is mostly human.

Other scenarios for calous murder of baby. bearing in mind that the police arrested two suspects who fit the description given by the mother.

1)The mother murdered her own child and gave vague descriptions of two black kids and the police just rounded up these two innocent teenagers because they fitted the imaginary description given by the mother.

2) I cannot think of a third without going into the absurd or the offensive.

Option one means the mother is a liar and a murderer and the police are right up there with the keystone cops as a law enforcement organisation. A explanation that appeals to the crazies on this forum.

I am going to go with vicious and brutal teenagers acting out. Teenagers young adults are the most dangerous humans they are not mentally fully formed they have little if any empathy hardly if any conscience. Teenagers and guns are a lethal combination ignorance and lack of experience combined with curiosity arrogance.

marj,

In case you want to check your facts, blacks do murder others at a rate that is double that of whites. And hispanics murder at a rate that is more than 2 that of blacks. Go ahead and see the government stats on it a FBI.

Good God, people - I offered a true anecdote as an anecdote. As a educated woman who makes a living helping patrons find good information. I do not extrapolate from it.

It was more of an example of how children do not understand the permanence of death more than anything. I stand by my statements that a 10-year-old probably does not understand that killing a baby is forever - and perhaps even a 15-year-old facing the kind of challenges in life as I suspect he has, may not either.

I have heard more white males joke about rape than killing.

I do think that there are differences between cultures based upon the superficial "lookism" of "race." However, I would refer everyone to the excellent museum exhibition, now online, called Race: The Power of An Illusion to get, finally, my view on the matter. We all have our destructive, self-perpetuating cycles. We must look at them to do something about it, as I wish to.

This story has galvanized me. A line has been crossed. All right, the alleged offenders were older than previously reported by a distraught witness. (I could not remember much about the guy who attacked me at a bus stop, either, when I talked to police.) I do think that minors who commit crimes are ultimately the victims of adults and it's time to start talking about the environment that surrounds children, just as we have started talking about the fact that saving "endangered species" means little if their ecosystem is not also saved.

Aside from the real sociopaths, all of these kids joking about killing or rape, or who do kill or rape, are people and this is preventable. I did not expect to relate so well to members of the public who are ex-convicts, but they can talk to me about anything. They have insights. I want to talk to them and to my colleagues who work with them about why crime seems to be escalating in viciousness.

The present "off with their heads" mentality with regard to crime is not working.

Amused Muse,

There is no "off with their heads" mentality in the justice system. That is what the people are demanding. The justice system lets people murder and allows them to walk the streets again to murder again and again.

See: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/27/17484315-on-the-lam-killer-nabbed-near-las-skid-row-after-1800-mile-trip?commentId=75099666#c75099666

This woman stabbed someone 17 times and killed them. While we let her walk free awaiting trial/sentencing, she killed more people. Doesn't sounds like we are taking a very strict approach to me.

It's all about too many guns available to whoever wants them.

It would be all about the guns if the gun violence came from both men and women. However, with something like a 98 to 2 ratio of men / women gun violence perpetrators with both sexes having equal access to the large amount of guns in this country, one has to wonder about the validity of your statement. Not to mention there are other countries with higher gun ownership rates per capita but lower gun violence per capita. The numbers just don't make sense for this to be "all about too many guns available."

And if guns weren't available, then it would have been another weapon. A mother and child are still no match for a few teen boys, even if they had a knife. They could have even beat her and the baby.

If only we had legislation to outlaw assault birthing.

Assuming her story checks out...

I think a baby with a bullet through the head is a validation of all that is important in this incident. If you are searching for a reason, there is none.

I hope somebody catches these @!$%#ers before police do, and I hope the party responsible for the murder is tortured for as long as possible before their death. I don't give a @!$%# about two wrongs making no right. If the @!$%# who killed the baby is caught I sincerely hope they are tortured as brutally as possible. I would proudly torture them myself given even the hint of a chance.

Fred I think S. Heriger meant, if this isn't another Susan Smith type story.

Assuming the story checks out, says allot. there are more holes in this then a truck load of Limburger, something is out of sync. something is horridly wrong and the cops know it. otherwise there would have been a description of the boys.

Anilof,

Yes there is a huge difference in the % of both the sex and the race of the people who normally commit gun crimes.

Anilof...the U.S. has the most guns per capita than any other nation by almost double.

J. Heron....the US is 47th in the World for gun violence, the other top 2 Finland and I believe Switzerland are even lower, so the amount of guns a country has doesnt mean anything with murder stats. In fact since we have so many guns if you did the stats based on guns in peoples hands we would be even lower. These are facts that have been run on multiple news sites and are easily varifiable.

This was no random mugging. This was a gang initiation plain and simple. If you join a gang, they sometimes make you go murder someone randomly so that they can control you the rest of your life. Animal you say? An animal will only kill when it needs to. How does one live with themselves knowing they are less than animal? And if the two that did this are reading this, I hope this event continues to torment you the rest of your lives! Are you absolutely positive there is no hell waiting for you?

Y'all watch too many movies...i'm convinced...smmfh at the ignorance

Randy!!! there was no mention of race, how did you know! did you send the boys out to commit this crime? Randy suspect Number1 knows more about the case then anyone must be involved. did this even happen? I'll have to stay on top of this one.

D-buck,

If you stopped drinking the liberal NBC Kool-aid once in a while, you would realize that their are other news sources who are not afraid to put down the woman's entire quote, instead of leaving off the fact that they are black so they dont piss off Jesse Jackson and other race baiters. Get your head out of the sand, the air is fresh today.

D Buck, there are pictures out of the 17 year old retard. Get off your idiotic liberal soapbox and read the damn thing first. Oh, but like your hero Nancy Pelosi might say, "we need to comment on it before we can find out whats in it" Moron!!!

No kind of an animal would do this, Randy. No animal would do this. Animals, unless ill or having something wrong with them, normally won't kill unless they're hungry. Whoever did this - and it will come out - wasn't an animal; (that is an insult to animals) he/she/it was a devil - a monster. The person who did this has a vacant soul. Who could do such a thing and ever look at themselves in the mirror?

10 and 15 doesn't really sound like 14 and 17. While 15 and 17 might be mistaken for one another, it would be unusual to think a 10-year-old was 14 and vice versa.

Hope these aren't just two boys swept up by the police to show they're doing something. I mean, if the older one really did shoot the baby in the head right in front of his mother, then he should go straight to Hell, do not pass go and definitely don't get paid!

But... if it was two other boys... or no boys at all... or if it happened differently...

The rush to judgment is far too swift. So easy to convict innocents when the fever runs high. And... the suspects are African American and the crime occurs in Georgia...?

these are kids.. adult reasoning doesn't exist.. shooting a baby. would be.. unreal.. to a teen.. it would be adrenaline on max and then some.. what the hell thought processes.. weren't in motion.. flee.. the mother got very lucky she wasn't killed too.

I totally agree. Where were the tears-she acted like she was crying...and the fact that she repeatedly said "my baby" makes me question her.

This is why you should never speak to the media (esp. video media) after something bad happens. Give the police all the info possible, and let them do the press releases. Never, never, never do an interview with anyone except the police and your attorney. Your veracity or lack thereof will be judged by your presentation before the cameras. Anything you say publicly might endanger you, your family, or the outcome of a criminal trial. Something you say, or the way you say it, may provide defense ammo for the person who hurt you.

I don't know if this woman fabricated the story or was truthful, but I think the police detectives are in a good position to evaluate it. The people in Indianapolis who blew up their house (killing two neighbors) were absolute idiots to speak before the cameras - they hanged themselves. But of course, they are greedy criminals and not very bright.

check for insurance policy

gerber life...got it covered...

Unfortunately, they will only go into the juvenile detention system where they can refine their thug skills at the expense of the taxpayers, only to be release at 18 with their newly refined "skills". all of this with a false sense that they were rehabilitated, only to get out long enough to breed a child that they care nothing about and will be back in prison, so the child can repeat the cycle.

I take the extreme approach. You get convicted of a felony once, you get sterilized. Convicted twice, death penalty and air it on television. People aren't afraid of jail anymore, its a joke and the prison system is not more than big business for the private sectors contracted to support them

bring back hard labor and chain gangs

Life without parole...I mean weld the door shut.let them enjoy our prisons for 60 or 70 years

@sstx As it says in the article: 17 is considered an adult in Georgia.

Do they say what color the lady is?

Doug-950479 Mother white father Hispanic. I watched the news clip and this gall didn't shed one tear the whole time they interviewed her makes me really wonder about the truth of this caper. Something just not right . I watched my mother through the deaths of two of my brothers and this gall shows no true pain about the death of a child. And one more thing if she is so distraught about the death of her child why was she adamant about having a certain person do the interview? Sounds really funny.

Only white people get convicted of hate crimes. Black people get to cry racism if they are caught committing a crime.

Possibly because she didn't want to be questioned by some idiot who would try to accuse her of being at fault for her baby being murdered right in front of her, all for the sake of ratings. I wouldn't be surprised if she was prescribed some strong tranquilizers to keep her out of the loony bin. My gosh people! Just because someone doesn't react to a situation the way you think they should does not mean anything. Had you ever studied psychology, you'd know that. So, great, you know what color everyone is - and now everyone knows the color of your hearts.

Guess what: Some of us don't like to cry in front of others. When my dad died in November, people thought I didn't care because I didn't cry. Not at his bedside, not when they loaded him on a gurney and took his body away, and not as I stood there, holding up my sister as she sobbed hysterically while he was cremated. I waited until I was home and alone. Then I cried for days, alone. Don't judge. It's really simple: Just TRY to be kind. TRY! *smdh*

Not necessarily, although my child wasn't murdered she was kidnapped, I didn't get hysterical, I went completely numb, it wasn't until a few days later that I "lost it"

I'm not saying she's innocent either, after reading the article I automatically thought "Susan Smith" I think I'll wait for more information and see how it plays out.

Wow, learn that in TV Crime School. If she was that close to the firearm when it went off, testing positive is a lock. This isn't TV where they swap her hands and watch it turn color.

Plus I'm sure they are sorry they didn't stop everything just to keep YOU updated.

Shiloh,

As you say, today's society does seem to have a prolific number of sociopathic child-men. Many of these young men live an existence where souls are lost early and life's value is measured by the cost of a forty-five. I'll venture to speculate that at different times in history, in different places, the cheapness of life has never been faraway, and it is only the roll of the dice deciding who gets the silver spoon and who gets the $hit end of the stick. The males, and sometimes females too, born into poverty often find a gun is part of their existence. Maybe it's a gun to be carried as a soldier, or maybe it's a gun to be carried while running the mean streets of the ghetto.

So I can see how someone, even someone very young, could lose their soul so as to even shoot a baby. But in this case I have no idea of the real events. So many strange things happen today.

No Sclazo. was making a point. One you would not understand. There were two suspects arrested.

Keep in mind it's not your 10 and 15 year old. It's a little fatherless gangbanging hustling killing and robbing little monsters that live in inner city and suburbs around Macon, Atlanta, Savanna, ect. They will shoot you just to make their "bones" so they can be "hard" little "wiggaz". You make assumptions on a culture you know nothing about. I live here and I've seen friends and family die because of ghetto azz nebros.

The other thing I want to mention is most of the comments have been about how she was cold and rehearsing a script. People don't break down and cry like babies in real life like they do on TV. Real grief comes in waves, followed by shock and a kind of sociopathic apathy. Life becomes meaningless and you become dead inside. She probably was reading a script they had prepared her for the TV broadcast. We will never see how distraught she was after the shooting. A self inflicted gun shot wound would be pretty apparent based on angle of the bullet wound and powder burns. People handle death differently. This woman barely got to know and connect with her baby before it was taken from her. As a father I can tell you I would be physically ill but completely dead inside. I would not be wailing like some damn tribal woman at a third world funeral like they do in the middle east.

I don't know which is worse.

That this may be another Susan Smith, or that most of us had that suspicion immediately and automatically.

Exactly Randy, and let's not forget that every time Susan Smith was interviewed, she was bawling her eyes out.

yeah, this would never happen in a gun free zone

What about the kid who pulled the trigger? Do you want him off the street too or just the gun?

No! she should of had a gun.

I agree but can anyone imagine how the court and juors would look at an adult shooting two young "children." They would say these "children" were only joking and she should have reasoned with them. GUILTY

I'm sure these animals would honor a gun free zone.

Arm all Americans.

slodon

What about the kid who pulled the trigger? Do you want him off the street too or just the gun?

well said

Stop watching Nancy Grace and maybe you'll learn something.... it's pretty easy to tell if a kid is around 10 and if he looks different than a kid who looks to be around 15 or 16. It's not rocket science. If the gun shot wound to her leg were self inflicted there would be apparent powder burns and angle of the bullet to indicate she did it to herself. That and a gun that would be in the nearby area she would have had to get rid of. The police didn't find a gun. Why don't you use your brain for once and stop feeding the tabloids.

She didn't necessarily shoot herself -- she may have hired someone to do it. Let's see if she had a life insurance policy on the baby. All I know is that her story is complete BS.

OonaOona, very true.

It's unwise to assume that she would have committed a crime by herself.

It's also not good to assume she committed a crime, based on the scant and unreliable information available on the internet and in the news. Food for thought.

So what's with the name "OonaOona?" Is there an interesting story behind its meaning? Very original, in any case.

A two year old with a stationary target could put the barrel of a gun against the kids head and have a dead on shot.

This is the first I heard of the story. It is so sad that this happened to an innocent baby. But look at the story that she sad. If she was in so much danger why was she only shot in her leg verses no witness and her baby in the head.
There is something very wrong with this story. INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATE.

I can tell a child's age so why not this mother? Really stupid post.

I'm sure they already did that. Of course if she shot herself there would be a gun dumped VERY close by that the police DID NOT FIND. Stupid people shoot themselves in the leg. You have a big artery there that can cause you to bleed out quickly. Not to mention the powder burns and angle of the bullet would be different.

Not everything is a tabloid tragedy. Not every mother is a killer. Get a life, bozo.

Do you think Obama will go on national TV and tell the world how horrible this was? Is Jesse Jackson and Sharpton going to crusade for this family?

Are whites going run around like wild animals looting and rioting?

^ Jack, you racists are unbelievable! Everything is about race... and politics!

Pitiful!

First of all, I know Sherry West personally. She would never hurt anyone in her life. She was and still is my best friend when I lived in Brunswick Ga a few years ago. The last time I saw her personally was when she found out she was going to have a baby and I know for a fact she was excited cause she wanted a baby so badly. I recall her showing me the crib she went out and bought right away sitting it up in her bedroom and buying a few outfits for the baby to come. My heart goes out to her right now.

Sherry was always there when anyone needed anything. I can tell you all just how giving that woman is from experience. There was a time I was seriously ill in my old apartment within walking distance of her and she would walk down and check on me. I had a fever so high that I was sweating and having crazy dreams of dead people I had not seen in almost 30 some old years talking to me. And She got in my car at the time and drove me to the local hospital and sit with me while I was being seen. She brought me food and drink when no one else did. My fever at one point was 105 and she stayed there helping me when she could have easily told me to take a hike.

When I worked at Harbor Sound Newspaper and was delivering papers she came down to my apartment and helped me and a few friends bag up the papers to be thrown on people's lawn and she never once asked for anything from me for the help. She is on disability due to her medical history and that baby was a miracle child for her. She even went with me one time to deliver the papers staying up almost all night throwing papers out the car window as I was driving.

So for all of you on here that think she had something to do with the death of her baby, YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. Sherry has had a lot of losses in her lifetime and now with this new one WE AS GOOD CHRISTIAN FOLKS SHOULD LIFT HER UP IN PRAYERS AND STAND WITH HER DURING THIS TIME OF HURTING, NOT POINTING ACCUSING FINGERS AT HER. She is a true friend and a wonderful person. She loved her son dearly. She loves both of her sons that she has lost. HOW DARE YOU SAY THE NEGATIVE THINGS YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT HER ON HERE, UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED A MILE WITH HER YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE. I DON'T JUDGE HER, I LOVE HER LIKE A SISTER. SHE WAS AND ALWAYS WILL REMAIN MY DEAR BEST FRIEND IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. IF I WAS STILL DOWN THERE LIVING I WOULD BE RIGHT BY HER SIDE NOW TELLING HER THAT I AM THERE FOR HER IN THIS DARK TIME OF LOSS.

SO FOR ALL YOU HATERS IN HERE THAT ARE AND HAVE JUDGED HER, BACK OFF CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HER LIKE I DO AND THE PAIN SHE IS EXPRESSING IS FROM DEEP DOWN IN HER HEART. SHE IS NOT FAKE NOR IS SHE A LIAR. SHE HAS ALWAYS BEEN UPFRONT AND HONEST AS THE DAY IS LONG. IF SHE HAD MONEY SHE WOULD GIVE IT UP, I KNOW CAUSE WHEN I COULD NOT AFFORD TO GO TO THE LAUNDRY MAT TO WASH MY CLOTHES, SHE WOULD ALLOW ME TO COME OVER TO HER PLACE AND WASH MY CLOTHES USING HER LAUNDRY SOAP THAT SHE COULD BARELY AFFORD ON HER BUDGET. AND WHEN SHE NEEDED A RIDE SOMEWHERE I WOULD TAKE HER WHEREVER SHE NEEDED TO GO....

SO AS HER DEAR FRIEND, I AM TELLING YOU TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT YOURSELF BEFORE JUMPING TO WRONG CONCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WOMAN. I ALSO KNOW THE BABY'S DADDY AS WELL AND BOTH OF THEM ARE VERY DEAR TO ME. SHERRY MORE SO DUE TO OUR FRIENDSHIP AND THE LONG HOURS OF HANGING OUT TOGETHER.

Shelia - I am so sorry for Sherry's loss - I can't imagine such grief. My prayers are for her baby boy, now an angel in God's arms, Sherry and her husband. I too can't believe all the hate spewed here. Please know that everyone isn't so cynical as to suspect her in this horrible incident. May God keep Sherry and her husband in His mighty embrace during this painful time.

Ok, this is really starting to get annoying when everyone's first reaction is to blame freaking videon games and movies....I have been playing "video" games since my first super nintendo when i was like 7 and grew up watching Freddy Keuger movies Chucky, Exorcist, ect. Since i was 4....You know what I have never Killed anyone never been to jail and have no type of record and was raised by a single mother my whole life and me nor my brother have any violent tendencies.....I would hate to point on that video games and "violent" movies were not around during Hitlers reign......And I highly doubted Pong made Jeffery dommer and Charles Manson who they were....Pretty much all throughout history people have been killing people it will never stop.

Has there every been a moment in history when someone or some country or some race has not attacked, oppressed, enslaved or murdered someone for no reason??? I'm sorry after you hit 13 years of age and you know right from wrong (which everyone does at that age) stop blaming parents and video games and everything else under the sun.....Tired of the Devil made me do it scam...So people are just evil in general.......

I agree. I have been playing video games, when Atari was popular... my child plays video games.. learned from sitting on my lap when she was a toddler. Video games do not make people into cold blooded killers. Proper parenting.. Children without empathy.. Young adults without empathy.. can be attributed to: FND.. Meth use by the mother and or the father at the time of conception and during pregnancy. Parents who have guns legally in their homes.. these children - young adults can get ahold of.. Children learn first and foremost from watching.. their parents. if the home life is riddled with mistrust, drugs, lies, deceit.. sometimes peer pressure.. sometimes just plain evil to the core..

Who knows what really went on, and why.. I hope the authorities will get to the bottom of it. The young adults who committed this crime will be dealt with.. My heart goes out to the parents of the baby.. I hope you both recover from the loss of your baby.

Nothing cynical about it. Do a quick search on mothers killing their own kids vs teens executing unknown infants in strollers and see which is more common.

Sometimes killings are part of gang initiations...

I agree. It used to be steal a car, shop lift, rob a store, could be worse now and makes sense

mary, i do not understand why you say it makes sense that the crimes are so much worse today?

I think I get what your trying to say....no parents, no discipline and no purpose....God back in schools

might help.

Why is it easier for so many of you to believe that a mother shot her own baby, as opposed to muggers shooting the baby?

Try two weeks ago in chicago...

Then you're not that well read. Babies are deliberately killed in wars (Nanking, China 1937 by Japanese soldiers,
Bosnia, Rwanda) as an expression of extreme sadism laced with racism and ethnic superiority. "You mean nothing to me". It's adult psychological torture to kill a baby.

I think we are looking at a very sick counterculture, a form of urban terrorism through which street cred is amassed by scared young black boys out to prove "I'm bad" as a form of insurance. My guess is the motive was reputation gathering. The best thing we could do for ghetto youth is to outlaw unsupervised gun possession below the age of 30, and then enforce it mercilessly. Things will only improve if there is a universal disarmament. This will break the cycle of constant fear for your safety.

The one thing I don't understand (because it makes no sense maybe) is that they shot the baby, but left the one who can Identify them alive? If they truly were that heartless enough to shot a baby, then why not the mom too? If money was the focus, and they didn't believe that she didn't have any money, why not kill her too and take the purse? Not making sense to me, it doesn't fit. Unless there is a part I have not read, it sounds like money wasn't really the issue at all. I feel like there is much more to this than the surface would have us believe.

After watching the video of the mother being interviewed I thought that myself. There is something fishy about this and the two African American kids as the mom put it. JDLR on this on. Just doesn't look right!