Hiring Our Heroes job fair part of week-long, national hiring push

MSNBC's Richard Lui reports from the Hiring Our Heroes jobs fair in New York City, where veterans are seeking opportunities with companies as civilians.

The math is mean. Post-9/11 veterans lug a steep unemployment rate that's a point-plus taller than the civilian rate. Add to that the 34,000 troops who soon will return from Afghanistan. Bottom line: The existing bulge of ex-military job seekers threatens to further swell in a world where stripes carry no sway. 

How to crack that cold equation? Just a little face time, says unemployed veteran Ruty Rutenberg, who believes that simply standing eye-to-eye with a hiring manager allows former service members to naturally radiate the ocean of intangibles that can only be absorbed in combat. 

"That presence, that aura about military people is very tough to see online in a resume, where (HR executives) are only looking at lines of text," says Rutenberg, 29, who served as an Army medic in Iraq, riding in Black Hawk helicopters. He's been searching for his "mainstay" career for about a year. "Online, it's tough to tell a person's emotions, let alone a person's energy.

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"Online, it's tough to tell a person's emotions, let alone a person's energy," said Ruty Rutenberg, 29, who attended a job fair in Los Angeles on Tuesday.

 


"But when you get to be right in front of these people and interact with them, there is no trepidation for veterans in those moments. We've been in stressful situations that people can't fathom, that they've only seen in movies," Rutenberg said Tuesday at a job fair in Los Angeles sponsored by Got Your 6, an entertainment-industry-backed, national veterans campaign. NBCUniversal is a partner in that movement. 

On Wednesday, Hiring Our Heroes — a program of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation that aims to get veterans back into the work force — is hosting a hiring fair at the 69th Regiment Armory in New York City.

For veterans like Melissa Fay, a former lieutenant in the U.S. Navy, adjusting to civilian life and finding a job can be tough –  but after a few edits to her resume, Melissa landed a position with General Electric as a financial analyst. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.

Click here for a list of upcoming Hiring Our Heroes job fairs.

Both events are part of the Got Your 6 "veteran hiring week." Such events, Rutenberg believes, are critical for companies with spots to fill and veterans with bills to pay: "One of the things the military ingrains in us is how to be present and confident in the moment, really in any moment." 

Still, owning that moment may require a touch of coaching, say some career counselors, who have spotted common, repeated flaws in the resumes and in interviewing skills of ex-service members.

Humility 'can be damning'
On paper, the mistakes typically involve the use of jargon: cumbersome acronyms, technical descriptions, and — to many civilians — the complicated system of military ranks. Is a "specialist" special? 

MSNBC's Richard Lui, joins Andrea Mitchell Reports live from the Hiring Our Heroes Jobs Fair in New York and explains how the initiative is trying to help veterans market themselves better in the work force.

"They feel: 'I've earned this rank. I want to make it prominent on my resume.' But that's one of the biggest complaints we hear from employers. They don't understand what 'sergeant first class' means," says Shareem Kilkenny, co-owner of Veteran Career Counseling Services. She operates VCCS with her husband, Kester Kilkenny, an Army veteran who spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

"What I have to get them to understand is: How do I translate their ranks and skills into the skills that employers are looking for? It might be better, for example, if a resume reads: 'Worked under extremely stressful conditions,' or 'Worked in a deadline-driven environment' or 'Dealt with constant change.' ”

Jon Soltz of VoteVets.org, talks about the unemployment numbers about veterans and their spouses and shares his thoughts on the Hiring Our Heroes initiative.

In addition to reading like a foreign language, militaryspeak may just get a veteran's resume tossed, warns Elizabeth Hruska, assistant director of career and internship services at the University of Minnesota

"This can be a barrier to a civilian employer who needs to quickly understand the basics of you and your qualifications — and (emphasize) quickly: Employers tell us they spend only 10 to 30 seconds on that initial resume once-over," Hruska says. 


While many veteran candidates may try to pitch themselves as the ultimate team players, some are prone to selling themselves short due to that group-first mindset, says Jason Dozier, veteran transition specialist with Hire Heroes USA, a nonprofit dedicated to creating job opportunities to veterans and their spouses through personalized employment training. 

"Military members are very team-oriented, and the word 'individual' can be a euphemism for those who fail to be a productive member of that team," Dozier said. "And so tasks and accomplishments are more likely to be framed as 'we' rather than as 'I.' Humility is a great virtue, but it can be damning if you're looking to be competitive in the job market."  

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I wish them luck, but the reality is that while layoffs have decreased, hiring is up only slightly. Being "years" into a recovery, things should be way better than they are now. It will be years and years (if ever) before hiring picks up considerably. The next generation is in for a rude awakening.

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#1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:56 AM EDT

Having a job fair in one town is NOT going to work. This NEEDS to be addressed NATIONWIDE. And I agree with Captain Jack below. Make our graduate and professional schools accept more our returning vets.

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#1.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:22 AM EDT

Robert I don't agree that we need to create another entitled class of citizen, vets can make it on their own, I did, getting the govt involved in creating another benefit for a certain part of our society is getting old. Everyone wants to be a victim because if they holler loud enough they think it entitles them to special rights. We need to get over giving special rights to different groups in this country, all it does is make people dependent on the govt.

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#1.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:42 AM EDT

The liability is to high.

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#1.3 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:31 AM EDT

"JOB 1" for corporate America should be hiring and rehiring our returning veterans. As many as possible.

Unlike the banks and corporations these military people - by volunteering - performed a true service to this country and should be rewarded. To the hedge fund managers and others who stayed home and piled up the money it's time to give some of it back.

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#1.4 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:46 AM EDT

Put them on border patrol!

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#1.5 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:02 AM EDT

To me, the real problem is greedy CEO's and their salary/bonus/benefits demands. Customer Service is a thing of the past. Companies have fired as many employees as possible and they are telling the rest either work 60+ hours a week for a 40 hour a week check or we'll find someone else that will.

Think I'm wrong? Look at Publix Supermarkets here in Florida. The average margin for grocery stores (Safeway, Albertson's, Fresh Market, etc.) is about 1.8%. Suffice to say that margins are razor thin. At Publix? Their margins are OVER 6%. How do they do it? Easy, demote managers to clerical positions and threaten to fire them if they don't perform or hand out promotions with no raise in pay. I know someone who has worked for Publix for over 20 years and makes a whopping $300 per week clear after deductions for Federal Withholding, FICA and Publix Health Insurance Premiums. New hires are paid only minimum wage. Pretty sad considering the Jenkins family (children of the founders of Publix) collect in excess of $50 million in dividends EVERY YEAR.

Oh and if a customer complains about an employee, said employee is fired IMMEDIATELY. Because, "Publix is a great place to shop", just watch their TV commercials. So people, how do you feel about shopping at Publix now?

How do I know all this? The someone in question is a family member and yes, I have seen the paystub. After I learned that, I took my business elsewhere.

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#1.6 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:07 AM EDT

According to the United States Government ( well some of them ) Our men and Woman who serve our country are not competent to have jobs and should be shoved under the carpet until we need them again, America treats their veteran's like ( @!$%# ) How do I know this? I am a VietNam veteran a war that has been over with for over forty years and still waiting to get help from the VA, had I known then what I know now I would NEVER have joined ! When I got off the plane I was so proud to be a American solider that I had served my country with honor and then they spit on me and called me all kinds of vial crap ! What kind of crap is this? America a great nation well it was once a great nation but now it's nothing more then a third world cess pool, My God what has happened to our great nation?

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#1.7 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:08 AM EDT

Meanwhile, "decimate the current military" is the continuing rally cry for the Progressives.

Now, the word is out to "hire a Veteran" by military advocates.

So which do you support now Progressives ? Yep, probably the latter to get votes (meanwhile the current Progressive budget makes further cuts in the DOD) ?

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BTW: Nam 71-75.

    #1.8 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:37 AM EDT

    Add to that the 34,000 troops who soon will return from Afghanistan. Bottom line: The existing bulge of ex-military job seekers threatens to further swell in a world where stripes carry no sway.

    I love that it makes it sound like they all immediately move to enter civilian life. that fact is most of the 34K troops retiring from Afghanistan will stay in and this year they are kicking out and refusing to re-enlist 34,000 all across the country. I know some Black hawk pilots that were pulled out of Afghanistan and told "you had a negative revue 6 years ago you have three months to find a job".

    Oh and if a customer complains about an employee, said employee is fired IMMEDIATELY. Because, "Publix is a great place to shop", just watch their TV commercials. So people, how do you feel about shopping at Publix now?

    Sounds like Slaveway and Albertson "where you work with no pay" they do the samething.

      #1.9 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:50 AM EDT

      Yes, DrMan, I too wish them luck. But. foremost we, the American people and government, have to change our mindsets and priority assignment.

      Support the veterans with everything we have and take away from all those stupid programs for illegal aliens, their children, and their tribes!

      Veterans first - period.

      No more freeloader programs for the scum of our society. Either work, or parish. No loss anyway.

      Veterans first - period.

      For those of you jerks out there that don't understand this, listen up. Without the sacrifices of these veterans your chance of having this lazy-assed life could be nil, if you even understand that.

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      #1.10 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:59 PM EDT

      Republicons voted NO for jobs bill for vets last fall...nothing changed.

      Republicons ran on jobs, jobs, jobs last election...and succeeded..in NO jobs.....Blocking the bill to end tax breaks for companies taking American jobs overseas. Blocking the same bill that would bring American jobs back to to America by giving those companies tax breaks for bringing them back.

      Republicons want American jobs for other countries so republicons can keep feeding their offshore accounts to avoid paying American taxes. You know those accounts...the ones Romney was hiding his money in refusing to show his taxes while running for president!

      Imagine ...republicon leaders lying all our Vets into Iraq war, now those same repubs blocking bills to help Vets get jobs....AND....with their offshore accounts avoiding paying American taxes...republicons not paying for their war. They sure liked the no bid contracts for war profits for republicon companies though!!!

      The new Ryan bill.... cut Vets benefits, to pay for more tax breaks for the greedy rich.

      Vets wake up...republicons hate American soldiers......they prove it everyday!

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      #1.11 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:08 PM EDT

      I would love to see more and more of this. Our vets have a very hard time transitioning from battlefield or barrack life to civilian life. These are men who have put their lives on the line and made it through situations we can't even imagine. The last thing they need is to be idle, to feel useless. These are men w purpose who aren't looking for nor do they want a hand out. They just need you to give them a chance. they aren't afraid of work (or anything else).
      square dude "I don't agree that we need to create another entitled class of citizen, vets can make it on their own", ya-su-ma-locka "The liability is to high." Both of you disgust me.
      The last group of individuals in our nation who act entitled are our servicemen. They make do w what they get and turn crappy situations into victories or at the very least, the best darn situation it can be. I say you're the liabilities, drop square dude and ya-su-ma-locka in Afghan w a side arm and a rifle and see how they do?

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      #1.12 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:19 PM EDT

      b- you say "vets can make it on their own", yet you complain that no one wants to bend over backwards and offer them a job. Hell, no one helped me find a job when I got out of the military. No one helped the Vietnam Vets when they came home, unless you call being spit on and having rocks thrown at you, helping?

      It's sickening the way these "new" vets are being babied, like they're better than all the other vets. No one forced them to sign on the dotted line.

      • 1 vote
      #1.13 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:19 PM EDT

      Shipwreck.......No more freeloader programs for the scum of our society. You mean... republicons need to quit giving subsidies to Big Oil by the billions when then testified they did not need it....right?

      No more taking American jobs overseas in order to put their profits into offshore accounts to avoid paying American taxes.

      Closing the tax loopholes for those scum who hide profits in offshore accounts...like Citibanks with over 200 subsideries listed in one building in Cayman Islands......

      That greedy 1% scum right?....Who feed off all the American infrastructure, transportation...DEFENSE of their assets by American troops, etc....Yeah I agree.....

        #1.14 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:24 PM EDT

        What can you expect from a nation full of back stabbing mother**kers? Same thing happened to us when we got back from Vietnam, except worse, there was a tendency for them to call you loser to your face.

        For all you 9-11 flag waving ash^^les, where are the jobs?!

          #1.15 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:02 PM EDT

          Recruiters constantly tell young people (with media ads)that they will learn marketable skills while in the military that will help them later. THAT IS CLEARLY NOT TRUE AND IS NOT HAPPENING FOR LARGE NUMBERS OF VETS.

            #1.16 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:14 PM EDT

            It is DISGUSTING how business leaders and the politicians they sponsor preach about how young people should be willing to die for their country, yet they themselves are too cheap to pay their fair share of tax and keep making money and getting tax breaks for moving jobs overseas. Their loved ones are clearly not the ones going to war when it happens.

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            #1.17 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:19 PM EDT

            @squaredude. I totally agree with you. The only thing that I do not like is the BS hype that they give these programs. There is not a company in thiscountry that hires a vet because he is a vet. With the vets swimming in a sea of protected groups, wives of military, black, brown, red, yellow, on public aid, hurricane Katrina victims, Vietnam era, etc. etc. it just turns it into a box on an application. Some of these companies like to post their little badge they receive from Michelle as military friendly on their websites but that is about it. With some of these jobs requiring advanced degree, experience with system X for 10 years etc. etc., these vets got the jobs they have purely on their qualifications, not with their military service.

              #1.18 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:20 PM EDT

              Snuggles......No never believe what a recruiter says is true........but....wrong on not receiving a marketable skill. Simply wrong...yes, I can name quite a few who just came back, calibration field, electronics, transportation skills/driver, etc......guaranteed to get a job..and getting them.....however when they come home with disabilities, then it is another matter.

              Token...never saw a Vietnam vet called loser...Not a one...maybe cause some were 24/7stoned after they got back.....and now we know why...but not one called a loser..not alive or coming back in a coffin..families and friends met them. Special website setup by vets debunking the myth of being spit on etc. Rambo movie started it...all...a myth.

                #1.19 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:33 PM EDT

                excuse me starsailing, that wasn't my experience at all, for all the deniers, or whatever, and the website, whatever, that wasn't the reality, the period from 1974 through to 1978, 4 years, statics demonstrated whopping 90% unemployment rate for combat veterans and a whopping 40% for all Viet era vets. You can go to all the websites you want, but in 69 when I came back they let you know it. So take your flag and shove it.

                By the way Dr. Clive Jackson, medical examiner for the Postal Service made it his job to deny 10 point vets employment here in the D.C. area, it was so bad that he was finally relieved of his position.

                  #1.20 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:56 PM EDT

                  @starsailing

                  Here's a website for you

                    #1.21 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:13 PM EDT

                    Republicons voted NO for jobs bill for vets last fall...nothing changed

                    What more do they need? the have resume services, job centers, job search specialists, job fairs, and a number of other services that have been around since 2006 that I know of personally. Now what was that Legislation going to do? Is it going to Hold their hand like a mommy and daddy during an Interview? Or was it just going to repeat what they already have (something DC loves to do)?

                    Republicons ran on jobs, jobs, jobs last election...and succeeded..in NO jobs.....

                    We have had the best jobs growth with republicans and democrats doing nothing.

                      #1.23 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:30 PM EDT

                      @Auto 101

                      Its not hard to have good job growth after losing millions of jobs during the housing bubble burst. Millions more would have been lost if Obama hadn't stepped in with the stimulus package.

                        #1.24 - Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:47 AM EDT
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                        Just what I wanted; a job at Wal-Mart. If I'd wanted that, I never would have joined the military.

                        I don't want to seem ungrateful, but, if these people really want to help veterans, they should start by making our country's graduate and professional schools let in a certain quota of veterans every year. Veterans will never achieve parity as long as people who never served are sitting in the positions of power in this country.

                        Our veteran situation should be taken just as seriously as race or sex in terms of inequality. Where is our Affirmative Action? Where is our Title IX?

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                        #2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:08 AM EDT

                        The illegals have first dibs -- sorry.

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                        #2.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:42 AM EDT

                        Yeah AA is there, but is not really right unless the person can qualify for the minimum requirements of that school, same should go for everyone. If, no matter your resume,you can't pass the entrance exam, you do not get accepted.

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.4 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:19 AM EDT

                        I think it would be even more helpful if colleges and universities allowed veteran students to "test out" of courses where their field experience already more than qualifies them to pass the course. Why make them pay for and sit through a semester of material they've already learned and practiced in the field? If they can demonstrate that they already meet the requirements of a course, they should get full credit and be able to spend their time more effectively.

                        • 5 votes
                        #2.5 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:53 AM EDT

                        Maybe China is hiring.

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                        #2.6 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:13 AM EDT

                        So, Captain Jack, you joined the military in order to get a good job when you got out? Was that your motivation? And why is it your job is "serving" while mine is not? Did you get paid? Did you get trained? Did you get three squares a day? Did they put a roof over your head? If you wish to drop yourself in with the other special interest whiners that feel they can't compete unless it is handed to them so be it. But don't disparage those of us who work our asses off to pay their benefits and yours, their food stamps and your medical care, their earned income credit and your GI Bill. You volunteered to do a job and I am required by law to pay you to do it. Please don't expect me to support you for the rest of your life.

                        • 8 votes
                        #2.7 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:26 AM EDT

                        The fact is the federal government should be taking the lead on hiring veterans. Yet, their hiring authority, Office of Personnel Management, not only continually fails to comply with the preference laws already on the books for vets, OPM finds ways to circumvent the lawful benefits vets are entitled to for job placement. The annually released figures from federal agencies evidence the hiring rates for vets stay virtually the same year after year, indicating there is never any OPM hiring surge for veterans.

                        • 4 votes
                        #2.8 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:30 AM EDT

                        Danman Great Job couldn't have said it any better. "Stripes carry no Sway" My Azz like Danman said you got paid didn't you? Don't expect to live off Uncle Sams teet for the rest of your life.

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                        #2.9 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:45 AM EDT

                        Another quota Capt? Just what we need, another entitled class of citizen, before long when everyones entitled idiots will be Doctors, and other professionals, suspect the class of work will go down when entitlements are more important than performance. Vets like me have made it in civilian life we don't need quotas, we aren't victims who need special rights, get over your victim hood and stand on your own 2 feet.

                        • 7 votes
                        #2.10 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:00 AM EDT

                        I used the military benefits to get my college degrees. I have earned the work positions I have obtained. I'd not want anything else.

                        • 3 votes
                        #2.11 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:00 AM EDT

                        Captain Jack - from one veteran to another - stop expecting the country to give you something because you did your job. You joined the military - no one forced you to - and if you aren't making it in civilian life, you have no one but yourself to blame. You have the Post 9/11 GI bill that will pay you to go to school. Otherwise, just like everyone else in America, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, get out there and get a job. If you are working at Wal Mart, that's all on you. There are other jobs out there if you look for them.

                        • 7 votes
                        #2.12 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:05 AM EDT

                        coravensfan You are not a veteran and if you were you were a clerk .

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                        #2.13 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:20 AM EDT

                        flbikerchick...

                        they already allow you to test out...It's called CLEP..look it up.

                        i don't get this special treatment..ww2 vets came home..went to college and passed the same classes everyone else did..why do they garner special considerations to get into grad schools and colleges?

                        oh yeah..i enlisted...

                        Bingo...CoRavensFan

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                        #2.14 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:37 AM EDT

                        Maybe China is hiring.

                        They are hiring 3.5-4.5 million people here.

                        Otherwise, just like everyone else in America, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, get out there and get a job. If you are working at Wal Mart, that's all on you. There are other jobs out there if you look for them.

                        True You are the person that picks a job. and only your are responsible for your financial security. In the military you get paid very well and for years had great re-enlistment bonuses.

                        coravensfan You are not a veteran and if you were you were a clerk .

                        It does not mater what they did they joined. the fact is Iraq and Afghanistan has no front lines even if they are safer with some MOS's they can still be shot in the back. The fat is for every 1 combat soldier you have 8-14 troops to support them in logistics. it was the same way in WW2 and WW1 and in Korea and in Vietnam. You have even that ratio in the American Civil War. You should remember you first job when you enlist is to be a soldier My wife is in the M.I. as an linguist for Asia when she deployed she was in charge of vehicle maintenance schedule and after that she went back to her job in the M.I. Now they have asked her to be in SHARP for 13 months.

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.15 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:07 PM EDT

                        Silver - not only am I a veteran, I was 95B - Military Police.

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                        #2.16 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:08 PM EDT

                        Both parties are corrupt - I'll assume you're being sarcastic about illegals having 1st dibs. Capt Jack, if you really are a captain, you already have been to college. We have the GI bill for a reason. So our vets can go to college when they get out. That's what my son is going to do when he gets out. Hopefully they'll still be having these job fairs when he gets out of college. Hire vets - they get the job done w/o complaining.

                        • 2 votes
                        #2.17 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:25 PM EDT

                        danman-1118103 & ranknfile, square dude - Military pay, it is barely above minimum wage and as to 3 sq meals and a cot, living expenses are deducted from their pay. Obviously you haven't actually looked into what our soldiers are paid and what they pay for. They pay a lot for extra combat equipment out of pocket expense before going into combat as well. Why don't y'all join up and see how 'entitled' real soldiers behave.

                          #2.18 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:34 PM EDT

                          I highly doubt "Capt Jack" is actually a military captain. Unless you have a college degree, you can't make captain, at least not in the Corps. Captain = officer (not NCO) = college degree before enlisting.

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                          #2.19 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:38 PM EDT

                          He talks like david12345 but the numbers and dates just don't add up or mesh with common sense. He'd be an O-3 with fifty years. He was enlisted, but got out, amassed college loans, re-upped. He's in Bagram but never up at night......

                            #2.20 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:08 PM EDT

                            Military pay, it is barely above minimum wage and as to 3 sq meals and a cot, living expenses are deducted from their pay. Obviously you haven't actually looked into what our soldiers are paid and what they pay for.

                            Looks like you havent ehter. An E-1 (your only at that rank for 3 months) gets 18K a year and housing is another 10-12K.

                            An E-2 with less than 2 years gets 20K a year and they have housing and medical included.

                            An E-3 less than 2 years is 21,448

                            E-4 is at two years in is at 24K

                            E-5 at 4 years is 30K

                            E-6 at 6 years is 35K

                            An E-7 at 12 years is 46K

                              #2.21 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:38 PM EDT

                              Now do you want to see what they get for living off post? lets say Savahnna Ga it is 2,139 if they live in Hawaii it is 2,800 and 900 COLA pay

                                #2.22 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:43 PM EDT

                                They pay a lot for extra combat equipment out of pocket expense before going into combat as well. Why don't y'all join up and see how 'entitled' real soldiers behave.

                                My wife is an E-7 I know what they get paid. I know what they get for deployment gear and you have no need to buy any thing. How ever please tell me what did your son need to buy? My wife was given every thing she needed Now if she looses it she has to pay for it. Just so you know a lot of Soldiers are not that professional and they are in fact people you don't want to be around. When we were in Hawaii I hated the other military spouses all they did was complain about how horrible Hawaii is and how much better Nebraska is or Louisiana is much better. There husbands complained even more.

                                  #2.23 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:50 PM EDT

                                  Excuse me but 2.22 I left off zeros on the numbers is $20,139 for Savannah and an and Hawaii it that was the monthly the number the yearly number is $33,600 for just housing BAH

                                    #2.24 - Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:07 AM EDT

                                    I can't even find a Jack Wigal of any rank in either AKO or JEDS.

                                      #2.25 - Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:02 AM EDT

                                      There has to be something not appealing about serving because only 1% have. Most people get pissy when they have to wait in line at a fastfood restaurant for 5 minutes. Now picture some a-hole telling you to wear this, and cut your hair like that day after day after day.

                                      Why do people pay someone $15 to have their oil changed that only takes about 15 minutes to do? I could do that all day for $60 an hour. They do it because it is undesirable, dirty work. Sine the military is not the hollywood fun it is projected as, there comes a time when you have to throw around a few bones to keep the numbers up, otherwise, we'd end up collecting weenies at the Canadian border after the draft starts.

                                        #2.26 - Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:38 PM EDT

                                        could do that all day for $60 an hour.

                                        NO Auto tech gets paid 60 an hour. most only get paid 15 an hour(that includes Jiffy lube). I understand you point you just gave poor numbers.

                                          #2.27 - Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:25 PM EDT
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                                          This is a load of baloney...a WH PR stunt.

                                          There is no effort to specifically hire veterans.

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                                          Reply#3 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:13 AM EDT

                                          Here's the hiring criteria "Young, educated, will work for nothing, minorities and women are 'encouraged' to apply. Bi-Lingual even better."

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                                          #3.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:44 AM EDT

                                          CK, of course that's wrong.

                                          The Republicans killed a bill aimed at legislation that would have assisted veterans in their employment searches and engagement. Lets see how the House reacts to this...

                                          William B. Travis, how about we give properties back to Mexico that we illegally confiscated?

                                          I see ignorance is still the initiativeof the day in here.

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                                          #3.3 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:40 AM EDT

                                          For starters the media can stop all the printing about how many veterans coming back now have these mental health issues. Same thing happened with the Vietnam veterans.

                                          The Human Resource manager who the vast majority have never served, only has the media stories to come to the general conclusions that ALL veterans are or have or could have mental illness problems. And who is going to take a chance on hiring them?

                                          Do all the job fairs you want but with all the negative publicity that is printed the playing field is not level for the veteran.

                                          @Travis get a life this is about Veterans getting jobs not about illegals. And illegals are not after our Veterans rights or benefits. Maybe they have come here to take back the land that we took away from them during the Mexican American war.

                                          The only thing you may have right is the VA screwing over your dad's benefits, but they are not going to the illegals

                                          • 5 votes
                                          #3.4 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:46 AM EDT

                                          You hit the nail right on the head. There is no real effort to hire vets.

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                                          #3.5 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:26 AM EDT

                                          Here's the hiring criteria "Young, educated, will work for nothing,

                                          That is BS there are a lot of good paying jobs out there.

                                          The Republicans killed a bill aimed at legislation that would have assisted veterans in their employment searches and engagement. Lets see how the House reacts to this...

                                          What more do they need? the have resume services, job centers, job search specialists, job fairs, and a number of other services that have been around since 2006 that I know of personally. Now what was that Legislation going to do? Hold there had like a mommy and daddy during an Interview? Or was it just going to repeat what they already have (something DC loves to do)?

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #3.6 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:14 PM EDT

                                          CK....

                                          What better way to incentivize the youth of this nation in serving this country by they knowing they have to compete with getting jobs with veterans on their job interview. Nothing wrong with that idea as long as a veteran can meet the needs of the employer, and the employer respects and considers his service as a sign of an added asset beneficial in his employment. - it is due time in lieu there is no draft in this country !!

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                                          #3.7 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:34 PM EDT

                                          Yup, this is straight marketing ploy. Companies love it because they have their token GI, tell his story, what they don't tell you is that he had a master's in cybersecurity, more certifications than you can shake a stick at, and several years in the field actually got his job on his credentials and qualifications. His service taking a backseat. Corporate responsibility is a pretty important program, and the Michelle Obama "We support Vets" badge they can hang on their webpage sure looks great to those baby-boomers who might hold patriotism and national pride a little closer than other consumer sectors. They make it too easy. I would really like to see them just pluck some young enlisted guys out and raise them strictly because of their service and character.

                                            #3.9 - Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:49 PM EDT
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                                            Like any job if you have the skills you will get hired. (skills like computer science, medical, engineering etc.) There just isn't to many civilian jobs for 11Bs and 13Cs. Soldiers have the GI bill use it to get a useful skill in college. The GI bill helped me. Being a veteran I know things are not given to you just because you are a veteran, you have to qualify and earn it.

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                                            Reply#4 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:37 AM EDT

                                            Why should these 'new' veterans be treated any better/different than any other military vet? I had to scratch and fight to find me a job when I got out. No one rolled out the red carpet for me just because I served in the military. I served my country and got squat from it - and now I'm supposed to bend over backwards to hire these guys.

                                            Nope - let them work their a$$es off to find their next job like the rest of us!!

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                                            #4.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:58 AM EDT

                                            Senior Military Official… 13 Years Logistical experience, 8 years financial experience, Certification in EEO and Physical Security, Series 56 License, BA in Economics, MS in IT Management, owner of 4 rental properties, highly educated, under 30yrs old, going to go to Harvard in the Fall for second MS in software engineering, works like an ox. AND STILL UNEMPLOYED since 13 April 2009! (Try living in RI!)

                                            I guess I could go to these job fairs and get a job as a cashier at CVS, Walgreens, Wal-Mart, or Sell Insurance by cold calling, and then maybe I could pay the interest on my student loans.

                                            I am tired of this country; I plan on hitting my 20 yrsmilitary service, taking my experience and leaving this country that I am actually willing to die for.

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                                            #4.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:32 AM EDT

                                            Nobody get over being a victim, sounds like you did quite well being employed by our military and are now crying that you aren't given a top position in a 500 fortune company. Being a supply officer suspect you didn't do many fire fights or spending months in some remote outpost. 95% of our military don't face directly the enemy, most have AC, heating clean beds warm meals so don't cry me a river and talk about giving your life because you sound more like a mercenary than a soldier.

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                                            #4.3 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:07 AM EDT

                                            Just wondering, "Nobody", how one is under 30 with 13 years logistical experience, especially considering that you've been unemployed for 4 years? Unless, of course, you've been a professional since the age of 12... And 8 years of financial experience on top of that (and that certainly didn't come from your military background).

                                            Hm, methinks something is fishy with this story. Maybe Burger King is where you belong after all.

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                                            #4.4 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:23 AM EDT

                                            maybe he's just deficient in math.

                                              #4.5 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:48 AM EDT

                                              Nobody is just a troll. He is making up B.S. there are 3.5-4.5 million people hired every month and about 400-600K of those jobs are not advertised.

                                                #4.6 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:22 PM EDT
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                                                Not to detract from this program, but if there are jobs available for Vets, how come there are none for non vets? Just wondering. I like the other poster think this may be a Publicity Stunt? Whatcha think?

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                                                Reply#5 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:40 AM EDT

                                                Yeah - It's wonderful being told you can only stay at that back of the bus when it comes to hiring. The new discrimination and it's not only legal it's demanded.

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                                                #5.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:52 AM EDT

                                                The trick is there are NO jobs for vets either. I have been looking for a while now. Sadly after you hit 50 most managers that do the hiring don't want you. They won't admit it is age discrimination, but it is very real.

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                                                #5.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:29 AM EDT
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                                                They fail to mention the massive tax breaks companies are being given for hiring veterans, interesting...

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                                                Reply#6 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:40 AM EDT

                                                They take them to war "Just for the heck of it, and enrich themselve." They get killed, mutilated, abandoned, no jobs, no pity, no compassion. Thousand of veterans documents has not been processed. And suddenly:

                                                LETS GIVE JOBS TO OUR HEROES. Can you measure the stench of hypocrisy? On top of that, they blame the present administration like they were the one who lied to America with a ridiculous dictator Hussein.

                                                Americans are so cofused!

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                                                Reply#7 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:42 AM EDT

                                                hardtalk, exactly.

                                                And you know, no justice will be done for that heinous act and no one will be held accountable.

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                                                #7.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:42 AM EDT
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                                                As a civilian with no military background I feel I'm disciminated against for that if they hire someone because of veteran status. I do feel a great thankfulness for them and their sacrifices however I over came a very hard young life and put myself through college, no assistance by the way, paid my own loans etc. I feel being hired should be by merit and being the right candidate for the job,PERIOD. I have worked my whole life and been accountable, and professional in all jobs I have had. I cannot see a fair reason to be second. Many of our servicemen and women are just as deserving as I but not more. They went into the service by choice, recieved free education and health care and a good benifit package. I realize most will dissagree with this but it simply is not fair to the average working guy to have even more stacked against him.

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                                                Reply#8 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:03 AM EDT

                                                Amen to that, wagewatcher.

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                                                #8.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:03 AM EDT

                                                And we bled, and did and saw unspeakable things, while you slept in your comfortable
                                                beds. I joined and knew there really wasn’t a job that fit my training on the outside. I left the military went back to school and became a deputy (no it is completely different). I agree with you to an extent, if a person gets out and expects something for nothing, they do not deserve a hand out. I believe that everyone needs to do there part, had work and dedication. my 2 cents..

                                                  #8.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:42 AM EDT

                                                  Ranger549, you did your part in the Oil War in Iraq and/or the Lithium Rich Country of Afghanistan!(Both War were sponsored by Dick Cheney and Halliburton).....Both countries, Iraq and Afghanistan attacked the US!!!! sure!!!

                                                    #8.3 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:17 AM EDT

                                                    I think the main issue is with HR people not recognizing or understanding military experience on a resume. It is like explaining to someone that you were on another planet for those years. Whether it relates to the job or not, those intangibles are important, although you still need the required work education/experience for the job. People with no military background are not being hurt either, because we take up less than 1% of the workforce.

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                                                    #8.4 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:18 AM EDT

                                                    recieved free education and health care and a good benifit package.

                                                    You sir, have no f'ing idea what you are talking about. As one who served, let me straighten things out for you about the supposed "benifits" package:

                                                    1) education - granted, this in one in which the military excels. They do offer a good education benefit because they want intelligent troops.

                                                    2)Health care - in the military the health care is a joke. Most, but not all, of the doctors practising in the military are there because they either, a)cannot get a job in private practice because they graduated in the bottom 10% of their class, or, b) are only there until they can pay off their student loans. As a result, health care sucks. It is very hard to press malpractice suits against military doctors, so, if something goes wrong during a procedure, sucks to be you. And, as a final indignity, I was promised 100% coverage for all my service connected disabilities, Guess what? Now they are telling me I only get 40%, some gaurantee, huh?

                                                    3) What other benfits package are you talking about, retirement, please. You have to be in for 20 years and they've made that an almost impossible task. So no retirement, no 401K, no retirement savings, nothing. If, by benefits, you mean that most younger enlisted and NCO's qualify and use WIC and SNAP, then, yes, you would be correct. That is a great benefit for someone serving their country with honor (and this is how they are treated).

                                                      #8.5 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:14 PM EDT
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                                                      Excuse me, but military members already have jobs. If they quit them, they go to the line with everyone else. Why should they get special treatment when so many Americans are looking for work?

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                                                      Reply#9 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:06 AM EDT

                                                      hip, it's pretty clear you have never served. You have no idea of that sacrifice.

                                                      If you have then you're one a small group of exceptions.

                                                      Thanks for your compassion and understanding.

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                                                      #9.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:43 AM EDT

                                                      Chip - compassion and understanding has nothing to do with it; and YES, I did serve! I voluntarily signed on the dotted line and served my country honorably and to this day, have never gotten 'special treatment' when it came to finding employment.

                                                      The new breed of vets getting out today need to stop thinking that they are 'entitled' to special treatment just because they served in the military, and the media needs to stop shoving these so called "heroes" down everyone's throat.

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                                                      #9.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:38 AM EDT

                                                      Debbie, and I think the vast majority of veterans would agree that they're not looking for preferential treatment. And that has nothing to do with it... I know I never did... You'd be hard pressed to hear them vocalize "entitlement".

                                                      There are some very different circumstances involved with today's veteran's that did not exist. The abuse of the stop-loss policy and multiple deployments. Not to mention the mess involved with the VA.

                                                      I do believe that the compassion and understanding lies in the hands of this country and its government. They stood up in different ways with different programs in the past and should do thesame today.

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                                                      #9.3 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:53 AM EDT

                                                      Chip, just saw some data about WW2 VA medical benefits where 3.5% of the veterans applied for benefits and today where 9.5% apply makes me think great things about our past veterans and wonder about our veterans of today. I served 6 yrs myself yet never thought the country owed me. I personally know some veterans who work the system, milking it of everything they can, they will never work a day in their lives and have free medical care as well, that's the kind of veteran that embarrasses me.

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                                                      #9.4 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:18 AM EDT

                                                      Amen!!

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                                                      #9.5 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:20 AM EDT
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                                                      Isn't this a nice article supporting our returning military and vets, while the DHS and other gov't cronies claim that vets don't deserve to have 2nd Admendment freedoms due to perceived problems like PDST and other "issues" that somehow render all vets as unstable. Why does the MSM refuse to report on the attack on Constitutional Freedoms that any citizen can plainly see can? How can we issue a civil right to one group and also revoke the same privilege from another group? This is unconstitutional and Congress needs to step in and stop this in it's tracts. We the people, by the people, for the people, NOT GOVERNMENT, by government, for government. Yeah, I am crazy for Constitutional Freedom! Wake Up America, before it is too late.

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                                                      Reply#10 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:10 AM EDT

                                                      Heroes, now we call those who signed up, they were not drafted, and were paid well for their service, unlike during other wars when those serving were drafted, and earned 80 dollars a week (1960-70). It is the conservatives that have changed the meaning of the word "hero" to fit their expectations and todays media outlets, now owned by large multi-national corporations, use this term to fit their failed excuse for actual and factual reporting. Next, now that the war is winding down, it will be some other group, or who knows, maybe "hero" will revert back to its dictionary meaning, A person, typically a man, who is admired for courage or noble qualities.

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                                                      Reply#11 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:23 AM EDT

                                                      First month's net pay, $32. I was drafted, shipped to Vietnam. At the end of my tour, making the highest rank I could with combat pay and everything else I was eligible for, about $254 for the month.

                                                      I find it amazing how the term hero is thrown about so easily. It is all PR window dressing. Yes, some performed heroically. But most simply did the job they were assigned to do, kept their heads down, and hoped to survive the tour. That is not being a 'hero', that is doing the job one is assigned to do.

                                                      And doing the job one is assigned to do is what company expects from their employees.

                                                      I guess the media thinks that giving a person a parade, waving flags, and showing reunions of families is what support of the troops is all about. After the flags stop waving, reality sets in. And it is not pretty.

                                                      And if often seems that those who never served and would never think of serving are the ones waving the flags the most.

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                                                      #11.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:56 AM EDT

                                                      I so agree with you USF83. I am not a hero. I volunteered. I needed work. I was paid. I can't lie and say I don't like the accolades given to me but, folks, I was just doing my job. Same as you. (I do think we should have mandatory service like in other countries but that is another story.) A US Navy veteran, I am. '83-'89 Avionics Tech HC-3, VAQ-135 Honorably Discharged.

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                                                      #11.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:02 AM EDT

                                                      USF, you're right. I get sick of hearing that word and the other one that kills me is the media using the word "troops" applied to the singular.

                                                      They're service men and women, soldiers.

                                                      Ignorance abounds these days...

                                                        #11.3 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:18 AM EDT

                                                        Man..I've been screaming this for years...i guess it makes people feel good..everyone is a hero anymore.

                                                          #11.4 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:01 PM EDT
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                                                          What all that fancy recruiting lingo does is obscure the fact that what you learn in the military usually has no value in civilian life.

                                                          [Just a little face time, says unemployed veteran Ruty Rutenberg, who believes that simply standing eye-to-eye with a hiring manager allows former service members to naturally radiate the ocean of intangibles that can only be picked up in combat.]

                                                          Really? Oh yes, every day, I see hiring ads wanting combat soldiers. After all, being trained to kill other people is in high demand by employers. Face time isn't given when resumes are scanned by computer for key words.

                                                          There is a military way of learning taught. And for some, it can be useful. But if one already has an education, it isn't. I still can remember my 8 hour course in how to hold and use a compass. The first several hours were used up in how to hold it. That shows the military mindset.

                                                          When I returned from Vietnam after being drafted into that worthless war, the economy was terrible, and jobs were difficult to come by. Getting a job wasn't a matter of showing your military skills, since 11C was not a useful skill, and it was that you had nothing of value from your military experience.

                                                          Fortunately, my non-military skills enabled me to get a job. But it was abundantly clear that my employer didn't care at all about whether I was a veteran or not. Oh, I guess a box to check off to show they employed veterans, but that didn't last long.

                                                          I think it was after the first Gulf War that the company I worked for did some PR about veterans, and asked if any employees who were veterans to let them know. I called, and was essentially told, never mind. It is not important. So it was simply a PR release. And it was done in conjunction with Veteran's Day that November.

                                                          First, be realistic and stop the PR nonsense. As a veteran who served in Vietnam, I do get sick of continually hearing that all these men and women are heroes. Some did heroic duty, and many simply did their job. Doing the job one is expected to do is not being a hero. It is being a decent employee. And perhaps this is what deflates some who returned. After the parade was over, the flags put away, reality is there. You lost 12 months during which time you could not compete for jobs.

                                                          And quit thinking that all military jobs have applicability to civilian jobs. After Vietnam, many helicopter pilots thought they had the inside track in getting jobs flying helicopters for civilian uses. Not really, as how one flies a helicopter in combat is not how one flies one on a medical transport. Hotrodding not appreciated.

                                                          The military being team-oriented? Well, there is that. But more then that, it is caste oriented. You are to follow orders without thinking. You are trained to do a specific mission or task, and that is all they want you to do. Thinking outside the box is not appreciated.

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                                                          Reply#13 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:47 AM EDT

                                                          G**Damn right on. Independent thinking? laughable..you think that way you get your butt chewed out...you listen..you follow orders..you are fodder--period. my thanks to the vietnam era vets who were drafted and told to go...and who still don't get the recognition they deserve. ditto with the Korean War vets.

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                                                          #13.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:05 PM EDT
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                                                          The person that is best qualified for the job in terms of skills and experience is the one that employers are after.

                                                          That should hold true regardless of sex, race, color, creed, or military background.

                                                          No one group should be favored above the other!

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                                                          Reply#14 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:06 AM EDT

                                                          But there are intangibles that differentiate a young military veteran and his civilian counterpart. Take for example, vets generally come to work on time, work a full day, and do the job well...this is called discipline and integrity. On the other hand, I see their civilian counterparts come in late, take a 2 hour lunch, disappear when there is work to be done, and out the door by 3. I would rather hire a vet knowing that he already has the training in integrity and discipline than any entitled, prima donna civilian.

                                                            #14.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:24 PM EDT
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                                                            when I got out of the army in 1978, I didn't want to go back to sacking grogeries at the store I worked at before my 3 yr. military career, So I went to the V.A. in my area and they hired me just using my 214 as a application. They called within three days and I went to work as a house keeper ( janitor ) for 7.78 @ hour. And Hey that was good money back then jack! So I would tell all my vet brothers and sisters to go to any Goverment building and get your foot in the door doing what you can, then go to school at night then start moving up to the job that pays more. I'am now retired heavy equipment operater. Iam telling ya that was what the V.A. wanted was a person with a good DD Form 214 because it tells everything about your attiude (sorry for the spelling) and good luck

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                                                            Reply#15 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:15 AM EDT

                                                            The best person qualified should be the true way to hire. What happens mostly is not so. Our military veterans of which I am one only want things to be more fair. One thing is that as a worker you are not looked at as a crazy person who will not do a good job. Most are able to handle stressful situations extrremely well. Most have specilized training that should be used to continue education. But most of all all Americans should be considered before outsiders.

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                                                            Reply#16 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:19 AM EDT

                                                            Veterans should go to the head of the line. If you're going to pardon illegals (obama) the least you can do is put people who are citizens at the front of the line for jobs.

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                                                            Reply#17 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:28 AM EDT

                                                            george, unless you can tell us which illegals have been pardoned, please refrain from the silliness.

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                                                            #17.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:01 AM EDT

                                                            The administration had insisted that only a "few hundred" immigrants were released for budgetary reasons, challenging as inaccurate a March 1 report by The Associated Press that the agency had released more than 2,000 immigrants in February and planned to release more than 3,000 others this month. Intense criticism led to a temporary shutdown of the plan.

                                                            The director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, John Morton, told a congressional panel Thursday that the agency had actually released 2,228 people from immigration jails over the course of three weeks, starting February 9, for what he described as "solely budgetary reasons." They included 10 people considered the highest level of offender.

                                                            This is an exerpt from the caller.com from less than 2 weeks ago. I guess you forgot about all the stink it caused.

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                                                            #17.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:02 PM EDT
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                                                            I guess it's easier/cheaper to hire H1B visa foreigners than to hire experienced American workers. All about the Benjamins.

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                                                            Reply#18 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:30 AM EDT

                                                            uh huh how many of these vets can do the jobs required from the H1B visa recipients?

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                                                            #18.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:18 AM EDT
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                                                            Robert from PA called it correctly. As to hiring vets you can bet the Obama regime will hire black vets disproportionately in order to secure votes and power when gun confiscation happens.

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                                                            Reply#19 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:34 AM EDT

                                                            sarg... Ridiculous and baseless accusation.

                                                            Any thinking person would understand that "obama" would not be doing the hiring and as far as I know we're still a Republic and not a "regime".

                                                            Your bias is in full view.

                                                              #19.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:46 AM EDT
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                                                              They hired into one company for pay.....The U.S. Military. They quit that job, and are now looking for another. If One former Military person is given a hiring preference over a non-former military person, that discriminates against the non-military person, who needs that job just as much.

                                                              I don't consider these people "heros" simply because they voluntarily put themselves in the Military and served in a combat zone. That is a term that is way over used and has lost it's meaning. The reality of our economy is that it is stuck in neutral and has been for over four years.

                                                              This is the new normal. We are witnessing the dawn of the age of the working poor. All those decent paying manufacturing jobs that went to the third world are not coming back.

                                                              Why should they??

                                                              Can we compete with people in the world who will work for $2.00 a day with no benefits?? No way.

                                                              We are entering a self inflicted austerity lifestyle where owning a car will become an unheard of luxury. People will all have a garden, will wear the same shoes for a decade, will cut their own hair and buy food in 100 lb. sacks. When folks look back fondly at that fast food job they used to have, where it was heated and cooled, and clean, and the food was cheap, and they actually paid you. These may well become the "good old days"

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                                                              Reply#20 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:39 AM EDT

                                                              Yeah, I've heard that line before: they signed up for it. The system is corrupt in that it lets large parts of the population avoid ANY service to the nation. The volunteer military works well for the military, but that doesn't mean everyone else should do nothing.

                                                                #20.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:49 AM EDT
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                                                                We should have made a priority of hiring returning soldiers years ago!! When Bush/Cheney started the Iraq war, they tore families apart, sent men and women into battle taking them from their jobs supporting families and totally disrupting the lives of so many Americans. When and if they got back, they were shunned and treated like aliens. Many wounded never got the care they deserved for the sacrifice they made for their country. It's very sad to see that our congress has not made much of an effort to improve the respect for these returning soldiers. They should be patted on the back, given their careers back, in some form by priority treated and bandaged as needed. The treatment of these soldiers reminds me of how bad the Vets from Vietnam were treated, almost as untouchable. How offensive!!

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                                                                Reply#21 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:44 AM EDT

                                                                Veterans get, hospital, education, tax exemptions, privileges when getting a job, what else do you want? No foreign nation has attacked the United States since Pearl Harbor, so there was never a real threat, only a war that was invented for oil and lithium ..... Veterans should be in line like everyone else......Iraq and Afghanistad were invented by Dick Cheney and Halliburton...

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                                                                #21.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:31 AM EDT

                                                                You are sooo wrong on sooo many levels, there is not enough time in the day to rebuke your ridiculous statements.

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                                                                #21.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:31 PM EDT
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                                                                Veterans should be given jobs on their own personal merits and not on a govt decree, vets are not hopeless where they need handouts, most are very capable but being honest others aren't so good at holding down a job and being responsible. Some in the military are getting out because they cant handle the structure which means they cant handle being responsible in civilian life as well. Govt decrees wont change that. When I got out no special right to a job was given to me, nor millions in the past.

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                                                                Reply#22 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:50 AM EDT

                                                                I wonder how you have ever served, since you make the statement that some get out because they cannot handle the structure. The military is really a caste system, with unwavering obedience to orders from above, with severe penalties for not doing so. Thinking about an order is not looked upon lightly.

                                                                Some find that structure as being very stifling, and even ludicrous at times. In civilian jobs, yes there is a structure, but companies don't really want to hire robots, unless it is for flipping burgers.

                                                                I saw far more examples of irresponsible people while I was in the military then I did in my civilian employment. And I served in Vietnam.

                                                                Veterans don't want handouts, but they don't need a slap in the face either. But if the military/government created the problem, it is the responsibility of the government to treat it.

                                                                  #22.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:08 PM EDT

                                                                  Really Robert you didn't see some in the military having problems being responsible? What military did you serve in? A lot who join never held a job or had problems holding one, they joined because it was their best option. More than a few join not because of some burning desire to serve but because its their only option, in other words a mercenary. Govt gives more benefits than any other military in the world and more than they did in the past, just ask WW2 vets. Sucking on the govt tit isn't something you should desire to do unless that's the best you can do, in other words a loser.

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                                                                  #22.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:14 PM EDT
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                                                                  Real World unemployment is at 15%, the U6 number; WHERE are any jobs, for anybody?????

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                                                                  Reply#23 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:54 AM EDT

                                                                  Have you looked? Many people have an easy time finding work there are 3.5-4.5 million people hired every month and they have added 150K new jobs on top of that every month. For me it takes me a few hours looking for a job to find one and get 4-5 other offers. Now I'm a military spouse and our unemployment is 22-26%. NOW it may be that I'm a man and it is different for me. But there are jobs out there.

                                                                    #23.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:31 PM EDT
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                                                                    Also If you apply for a federal job, you get 5 points for being a vet and 10 promotion points for being a disabled vet, these apply on your application over a civilian putting in for the same job. The V.A. use to have a apprentice program but they stopped that about 1977 because I miss't out on it. But they need to bring it back for our vets to learn a new trade or just to better themselves. I went to school at night at Ivy Tech and got a B.S. in building Const. and that money was great. Well again good luck, I hope that I help you all.

                                                                      Reply#24 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:55 AM EDT

                                                                      By the way, you aren't telling me anything I didn't know. Most honorably discharged vets should know it, too.

                                                                      I also note you use the phrase "good luck" as well.

                                                                      It was about 11 years ago for me. I had a half dozen surgeries in the military. In spite of that, I managed to get an AA with a 3.95 GPA, enrolled the second I transferred to shore duty. When I began my college pursuits, I had such dreams. I was going to take additional courses so I could transfer to Old Dominion University and not lose any credits. About 6 months into shore duty, I had to go medical. They started taking xrays, mri's , cat scans, etc. I didn't plan on it...but I still completed my AA, even completing an advanced mathematics test, made up almost completely of quadratic equations...three days after a back surgery and delirious with pain I was...but I still aced it. Because of my surgeries, the military booted me. Soon after transition, there was some surprising drama from my significant other...and it led to where I am today. For four years after transition, I collected 80% from the VA. By that time, the military had retired me. This was back...2002-2006. No one wanted to hire me. I didn't get any of these "credits"...hence the "good luck" part you mentioned. Left in the ditch to die I was. I ended up having to apply for SSD before the 5 year limit expired. This happened when the economy was still in good shape (cough) or that's what they say.

                                                                      Bruce Hornsby was right. Sometimes, you can't even buy yourself a job, or what the VA calls "gainful employment". If you have problems (and you are not an honorably discharged veteran)...I just don't want to hear it. I haven't even begun to discuss 90% of the bad luck that has plagued my life, most of it complete BS, that has led to the crossroads I am at. At least I am living.

                                                                      These job fairs continue to miss the one factor that matters. Veterans DO NOT NEED JOBS...Veterans NEED GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT. Are we not worth more than minimum wage? Again, if you have problems(and you are not an honorably discharged veteran)...I just do not want to hear it.

                                                                        #24.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:02 PM EDT
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                                                                        Sadly, since 2009, we have nearly 9 MILLION fewer jobs to go around, so, here is a solution:

                                                                        1. Legalize every illegal alien that is here, to increase competition for scarce jobs;

                                                                        2. Bring home a million people from overseas to further swamp the job market;

                                                                        3. Tell the American people that real world U6 15% jobless rates are normal now.

                                                                          Reply#25 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:56 AM EDT

                                                                          Old time Democrat,

                                                                          That's right. This is the beginning of the new normal. And these will be viewed as the good old days when you could get $8 to $10 an hour.

                                                                          Eventually the downward spiral will hit rock bottom. Car and home sales will grind to a halt. Food riots will become the norm. You won't dress for style anymore, you will dress to keep warm. Obviously our Government doesn't really represent us anymore. We are spoon fed political pablum to get our votes, and then promptly tossed under the bus.

                                                                            #25.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:09 PM EDT
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                                                                            Obama should, immediately:

                                                                            1. Pass a law that makes everybody unionize the workers;

                                                                            2. Raise the minimum wage to $25 per hour so everyone can live and have cable, cell phones, etc...

                                                                            3. Expand the food stamp program to make over 100 million people eligible.

                                                                            4. Put returning veterans to work on State Ran Farms, to grow food for the inner cities.

                                                                              Reply#26 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:57 AM EDT

                                                                              Communism didn't work then, and it won't now.

                                                                                #26.1 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:58 AM EDT

                                                                                The military is organized according to communist guidelines in case you never fkn noticed.

                                                                                  #26.2 - Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:43 AM EDT
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