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  • 18
    Jul
    2012
    8:27pm, EDT

    Justice Scalia: No feud with Justice Roberts over health care decision

    By Pete Williams, NBC News

    In his first public comment since the U.S. Supreme Court’s health care decision, Justice Antonin Scalia denied reports that he and Chief Justice John Roberts feuded over the June 28 ruling.


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    Scalia was speaking with CNN’s Piers Morgan about his new book about judicial interpretation when Morgan asked him about the rumor that he and other conservatives were furious at Roberts and had accused him of switching his vote.

    The Supreme Court upheld President Barack Obama's health care law, specifically the provision that requires individuals to have health insurance or pay a penalty.

    How Verrilli may have won over Roberts

    In a brief clip aired on CNN Wednesday, Morgan said, “The big buzz at the moment is that you and Justice Roberts have had a bit of a parting of the ways, you've gone from being best buddies to warring enemies.”

    Scalia replied, “Who told you that?”

    Morgan told the justice he had read about their disagreement in newspapers.

    Analysis: Why Roberts saved Obama's health care law

    Scalia, laughing, said, “You should not believe what you read about the court in the newspapers. Because the information has either been made up or given to the newspapers by somebody who is violating a confidence, which means that person is not reliable.”

    “So you've had no falling out with Justice Roberts?” Morgan asked.

    Scalia said they hadn’t.

    “Loud words exchanged? Slamming of doors?” Morgan persisted.

    “No, no,” Scalia said. “Nothing like that.”

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    151 comments

    Scalia and Thomas are perfect examples of why we need to start limiting the terms of Supreme Court Justices. I've had to deal with these two idiots for nearly my entire life. Scalia, as some may recall, didn't want to be burdened with reading through the whole Affordable Care Act - this from a Supre …

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  • 27
    Jun
    2012
    2:14pm, EDT

    After health care ruling, what happens to the money?

    With the Supreme Court decision on the Affordable Care Act expected Thursday, NBC's Tom Costello explains the benefits of the law and the costs to small business to insure their employees.

    By M. Alex Johnson, msnbc.com

    Doctors, patients, politicians and legal scholars are eagerly awaiting the Supreme Court's decision on President Barack Obama's health care program on Thursday. But there's one group that is really on pins and needles: accountants and other number crunchers.

    Brian Mooar of NBC News contributed to this report by M. Alex Johnson of msnbc.com. Follow M. Alex Johnson on Twitter and Facebook.

    If the court overturns the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, they're the ones who'll have to figure out what's going to happen to the $1 billion the federal government has already handed out to states and territories to establish state-regulated health care plans to help find public or private insurance for Americans eligible for federal subsidies.


    The court has three main options — it can uphold the entire law, strike down the entire law or strike down parts of it.

    Insurance exchange grants

    The federal government has already disbursed more than $1 billion to all but one state and three territories to start setting up health insurance exchanges:

    Alabama: $9,709,451
    Alaska: Did not apply
    Arizona: $30,877,097
    Arkansas: $8,866,411
    California: $40,421,383
    Colorado: $19,198,599
    Connecticut: $7,684,783
    Delaware: $4,400,096
    D.C.: $9,200,716
    * Florida: $1,000,000
    * Georgia: $1,000,000
    Hawaii: $15,440,144
    Idaho: $21,376,556
    Illinois: $38,917,831
    Indiana: $7,895,126
    Iowa: $8,753,662
    * Kansas: $1,000,000
    Kentucky: $66,567,613
    * Louisiana: $998,416
    Maine: $6,877,676
    Maryland: $34,413,430
    Massachusetts: $21,539,967
    Michigan: $10,849,077
    Minnesota: $27,148,929
    Mississippi: $21,143,618
    Missouri: $21,865,716
    * Montana: $1,000,000
    Nebraska: $6,481,838
    Nevada: $24,738,273
    * New Hampshire: $1,000,000
    New Jersey: $8,897,316
    New Mexico: $35,279,483
    New York: $87,681,149
    North Carolina: $13,396,019
    * North Dakota: $1,000,000
    * Ohio: $1,000,000
    * Oklahoma: $1,000,000
    Oregon: $16,652,301
    Pennsylvania: $34,832,212
    Rhode Island: $64,756,539
    * South Carolina: $1,000,000
    South Dakota: $6,879,569
    Tennessee: $9,110,165
    * Texas: $1,000,000
    * Utah: $1,000,000
    Vermont: $19,090,369
    * Virginia: $1,000,000
    Washington: $151,791,012
    West Virginia: $10,667,694
    Wisconsin: $38,757,139
    * Wyoming: $800,000
    American Samoa: $1,000,000
    Federated States of Micronesia: Did not apply
    Guam: $1,000,000
    Marshall Islands: Did not apply
    Northern Mariana Islands: Did not apply
    Palau: Did not apply
    Puerto Rico: $917,205
    U.S. Virgin Islands: $1,000,000
    Multistate Grant
    University of Massachusetts Medical School: $35,591,333

    Total: $1,015,465,913

    * Planning grant only

    Source: Msnbc.com research; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

    Some justices appeared to signal during arguments in March that they were skeptical of the law, especially the so-called individual mandate, the provision requiring people to buy insurance or pay a fine. Because of the mandate, the Obama administration insisted on provisions directing the states to set up the insurance plans, called health insurance exchanges, to find discounted coverage for uninsured or hard-to-insure people.

    Among them was Chief Justice John Roberts, who questioned whether the government can compel people to buy any product.

    "Can the government require you to buy a cell phone because that would facilitate responding when you need emergency services?" he asked.

    Justice Antonin Scalia drew a similar analogy.

    "Everybody has to buy food sooner or later. So you define the market as food, therefore everybody is in the market," he said during the March arguments. "Therefore, you can make people buy broccoli."

    Conservative justices expressed skepticism about the health care law during Supreme Court arguments. NBC News' Brian Mooar reports.

    What's worrying for supporters of the law is that it appears likely that Roberts will personally craft the ruling, said Tom Goldstein, the publisher of SCOTUSblog— SCOTUS is shorthand for Supreme Court of the United States.

    "John Roberts hasn't done anything, really, in major cases in March and April, at the end of the term, which means it's very likely that he assigned that decision to himself," Goldstein told NBC News.

    If that part of the law is upheld, the insurance plans must be in operation by 2014. But what if it isn't?

    No one really knows.

    That includes the White House, which has consistently said it expects the law to be upheld and is moving ahead accordingly.

    "Once that decision is rendered, we will make decisions about what to say about it," press secretary Jay Carney said Tuesday.


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    If the law is overturned, there's nothing to stop the federal government from trying to recoup the money it has already distributed for the exchanges — a total of $1.015 billion to 49 states and a multistate planning project, according to an msnbc.com analysis of state disbursement figures provided by the Department of Health and Human Services.

    "If the whole thing really is unconstitutional, that has to mean that it is illegal to spend the money that way under current law," Joseph Antos, a health care analyst with the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington policy institute, told Kaiser Health News.

    Kaiser adds:

    Retrieving unspent funds might be possible, but collecting money that's already been spent could prove problematic, especially for cash-strapped states still dealing with a weak economy.

    "My sense would be they would not recover the money. How do you recover the money? If it's spent, what do you do?" said Steven Lieberman, the president of Lieberman Consulting Inc. and the former deputy executive director for policy at the National Governors Association.

    Nor is it clear what the states would do. Nineteen states have put their plans on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling, according to the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities(.pdf), but others — among them New York, Massachusetts and California — have signaled that they'll try to implement exchanges anyway.

    Another is Utah, where 30 percent of the people getting insurance under the exchange are doing so for the first time, said Patty Conner, director of the insurance exchange in Utah.

    That makes the plan "a good value to the state," Conner said, as reported by the Deseret News of Salt Lake City.

    And private insurers have indicated that they'll also go ahead with some of the law's provisions if it's struck down.

    Three of the nation's largest carriers — United Healthcare, Aetna and Humana — said this month that they would continue to let parents keep their children on their policies up to age 26, one of the most popular provisions of the entire plan, and would continue offering preventive services without copayments.

    United Healthcare and Humana (but not Aetna) also promised not to reinstate lifetime limits on coverage or cancel policies retroactively, two other provisions widely welcomed by analysts and patients' advocates.

    Even so, the picture is complicated by the fact that there's nothing to stop lawmakers from trying again to reform the health-care system if the law falls.

    "If this goes away, we still have to start dealing with the problem," Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., a member of the Ways and Means Committee, said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

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    536 comments

    State government shouldn't spend money given to them for programs unless they programs are ready to go. You don't buy a car unless you plan on driving. Make them give it all back. Eph Maobama and his political bullcrap tactics.

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