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  • 9
    May
    2013
    9:08pm, EDT

    Fetus homicide may be tough to prove in Cleveland kidnapping case, expert says

    Courtesy of Cuyahoga County

    Cleveland kidnapping suspect Ariel Castro in a booking photo, May 8, 2013.

    By Bill Briggs and Maggie Fox, NBC News

    An Ohio prosecutor who on Thursday pledged to seek murder charges against the Cleveland kidnapping suspect for allegedly pummeling the pregnant stomach of one of his reported victims — causing her to frequently miscarry — may ultimately struggle to prove the blows led to those fetuses' deaths, said one former federal prosecutor.

    To secure a guilty verdict for fetal homicide, prosecutors typically have to show that a killer clearly meant to murder the unborn baby by assaulting the mother in a way that would trigger an early end to the pregnancy.

    But proving intent is not the challenge facing the prosecutor in Cuyahoga County, said Heidi Rummel, a law professor at the University of Southern California. 

    "The hardest part, I imagine, would be proving causation — you have to show the actions actually caused the death. And years after the fact that might be somewhat of a challenge," added Rummel, a former federal prosecutor in Washington, D.C. and in Los Angeles. "We don't know how far along (the victim) was. It's hard to know for sure if it was a miscarriage or not. But the intent seems pretty clear based on the facts I've read." 

    Cuyahoga County prosecutor Timothy McGinty has vowed to seek charges against suspect Ariel Castro for each act of sexual violence, rape, kidnapping, assault and “each act of aggravated murder he committed by terminating pregnancies that the offender perpetuated against the hostages during this decade-long ordeal.”

    Castro already is charged with four counts of kidnapping — three for the women he is accused of abducting and one for a baby that one of the women bore in captivity. One of the three women, Michelle Knight, has told investigators that Castro impregnated her at least five times, and that he starved her and punched her repeatedly in the stomach to force her to miscarry, according to a Cleveland police report.

    McGinty specifically cited a provision of Ohio law that defines it as aggravated murder when someone causes, “with prior calculation and design,” the unlawful termination of another person’s pregnancy.

    “This child kidnapper operated a torture chamber and private prison in the heart of our city,” McGinty said. “The horrific brutality and torture that the victims endured for a decade is beyond comprehension.”

    McGinty's decision falls in line with fetal homicide laws on the books in at least 38 states.

    The penalties for killing unborn babies via assaults on the mother vary depending on the location of the crime: in Kansas, any unborn fetus is considered a human following fertilization; in Colorado, offenders can be prosecuted only if they are shown to have known that the mother was pregnant, reports the National Conference of State Legislatures.

    The case in Ohio is unique, but the issue of charging someone with murder for killing an unborn baby has been colored by the abortion rights debate.

    Anti-abortion groups have pushed for laws declaring any fetus to be an unborn human. However, supporters of abortion rights argue that such law would not only make the procedure illegal, but they could make also it possible to prosecute pregnant women for endangering their babies in a variety of ways — and could even put them on trial after suffering a miscarriage.

    Rummel, meanwhile, also has handled the cases of many incarcerated women in California who, she said, were convicted of crimes that stemmed from abusive relationships. Some of those woman later told her that their husbands or boyfriends routinely punched or kicked them in their stomachs after they became pregnant. 

    "It's not an unusual story in intimate-partner battering situations that men do this," Rummel said. "When an intimate partner does it, you never hear about it. But when a stranger does it, the whole county is in a uproar. It's tragic whenever it happens."

     

     

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    Why is this "fetal homicide"!!?? If you believe in "freedom of choice", why would you believe that abortion is not homicide and this was!? Because of the method? What difference does that make?!

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  • 18
    Mar
    2013
    7:43am, EDT

    23 years later, police seek boyfriend of strangled woman

    San Diego Police Dept.

    Pedro Antonio Guzman-Gonzalez is wanted in connection with a 1990 murder.

    By Monica Garske, NBCSanDiego.com

    Exactly 23 years to the day after Maria Vargas was found strangled to death inside a home in Logan Heights, San Diego, homicide detectives renewed appeals for the public’s help in finding her killer.

    On March 17, 1990, San Diego Police Department officers responded to reports of a death at a home in the 2900 block of National Avenue.

    When officers arrived at the scene, they discovered Vargas’ lifeless body in the bedroom of her boyfriend, Pedro Antonio Guzman.

    Detectives say Vargas had been strangled to death. Guzman had fled the scene before police could question or detain him.

    Since that St. Patrick’s Day murder more than two decades ago, police have been after Guzman, who’s suspected of killing Vargas.

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    Detectives say it is likely Guzman, who is now 49 years old, fled to Mexico following the murder.

    He is described as 5-foot to 5-foot-3, Hispanic and weighing approximately 140 pounds. He has black hair and brown eyes. Guzman was 26 at the time of Vargas' murder.

    On Friday, the SDPD released a photo of Guzman in hopes of locating him and reopening the case.

    Detectives are asking anyone with information on his whereabouts to contact the SDPD Homicide Unit at (619) 531-2293 or Crime Stoppers at (888) 580-8477. Up to a $1,000 reward is being offered for information that leads to the arrest of Guzman, and tipsters may remain anonymous.

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    Why are they looking for him? Does Obama have his green card and work permit waiting?

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  • 14
    Mar
    2013
    4:26pm, EDT

    Police find missing Fox executive's Mercedes, launch homicide probe

    LA County Sheriff's Department

    Gavin Smith, 57, a 20th Century Fox distribution executive is shown in this undated photograph released by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. Smith has been missing since May 1, 2012.

    By Olsen Ebright, NBCLosAngeles.com

    The discovery of a Mercedes driven by a missing Fox executive when he disappeared 10 months ago has led police to reclassify the case as a homicide and link it to a drug dealer previously identified as a person of interest.


    A black Mercedes Benz 420E registered to Gavin Smith was recovered at a storage facility in Simi Valley on Feb. 21, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department announced Thursday. Smith, 57, was last seen driving the car from a friend's home in the Oak Park area at the western end of Los Angeles on May 1 between 9 and 10 p.m.

    Read more on NBCLosAngeles.com

    His body has not been recovered, according to the department.

    "Based on the vehicle's condition and information developed from persons cooperating in the investigation, homicide detectives are now investigating this case as a homicide," detectives said Thursday in a statement.

    The storage facility has been linked to John Creech, who is currently in custody at Men's Central Jail on an unrelated narcotics conviction, detectives said.

    Creech was previously named a person of interest in the case and his home was searched on June 8, 2012. Creech has not been charged in Smith's disappearance.

    Anyone with information about the case was asked to call homicide detectives.

    "They specifically want to know if anybody saw this Mercedes Benz go from Porter Ranch to Simi Valley around May 8, May 9," department spokesman Steve Whitmore said.

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    So who was missing him? Sounds more like he headed to Tahiti to work on that gruesome tan. The fact he was a higher-up for FOX says nothing good about the guy at all...

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  • 10
    Feb
    2013
    6:02pm, EST

    Death takes no holiday: Tracking gun violence over one long January weekend

    Interactive map: A long weekend of gun deaths. Click to enlarge.

    A special weeklong examination of gun violence, gun ownership and gun legislation. NBC News journalists will report across "NBC Nightly News," "TODAY," MSNBC, CNBC, NBCNews.com, and more. The conversation will also extend across NBC News and MSNBC's social media platforms using the hashtag #GunsInUSA.

    By Bill Dedman, Investigative Reporter, NBC News

    It was after midnight, early on a Saturday in the college town of Moscow, Idaho, and student Jason "Cowboy" Monson was at the police station to get back his Desert Eagle .45-caliber handgun.

    In McDonough, Ga., about the same time, two teenage brothers were still awake. A friend was sleeping over, and their mother had let the boys handle her .38-caliber revolver, which was unloaded. She'd gone to bed.

    In South Valley, N.M., it was quiet at the Griego household as 15-year-old Nehemiah waited for his father to come home from the night shift at a homeless shelter. The son was holding his father's AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

    In the next few hours, the freshman in Idaho, one of the brothers in Georgia, and most of the Griego family would be dead, victims of three forms of gun violence — suicide, accident and murder — that are everyday occurrences in the United States.

    Their deaths, and scores of others, occurred over a holiday weekend, the third weekend in January, when America celebrated the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., a victim of gun violence. It also was the weekend the nation swore in a re-elected president whose inaugural address referred to guns, though he didn’t actually say the word: "Our journey is not complete until all our children, from the streets of Detroit to the hills of Appalachia to the quiet lanes of Newtown, know that they are cared for, and cherished, and always safe from harm."

    San Antonio Express-News via Zuma Press

    One of 91 deaths identified by guns across America on a long holiday weekend: Officers with the Bexar County, Texas, Sheriff's Office investigate the shooting death of Jesse Rosas, whose bullet-riddled body was found on the side of a road near San Antonio on Jan. 21. Police have not identified any suspects.

     


    By the end of the long weekend — after President Barack Obama had spoken and the red, white and blue confetti strewn along Pennsylvania Avenue had been cleaned up — at least 91 people across America had been killed by guns. That's more than three times the number of caskets needed in Connecticut after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. These 91 people died, not in a single burst of violence over a few minutes, but spread over a three-day weekend, like an autoworker stealing an entire convertible one part at a time to escape notice.

    In the aftermath of the Dec. 14 Newtown shooting, during a renewed national debate about gun rights and gun control, NBC News picked the weekend of Jan. 19-21 to examine gun deaths across America. Today and on Monday and Tuesday, we'll tell you what we found and introduce you to some of the victims and their families. We also invite you to look at our online map and to draw your own impressions from the stories of violence.

    We don't pretend to have found all the gun deaths over that weekend. There is no official census of gun deaths, and it takes the federal government many months to compile national crime and suicide statistics. We drew our list from the deaths that were reported in the press, and confirmed the details with authorities in all but a few cases. If you only want to know how many people are killed by guns on an average day in America, simply divide the annual figure, about 31,300, by 365 days, and there's your average: about 86 people a day.

    As part of a weeklong special report, "Flashpoint:Guns in America," NBC News charted every death attributable to firearms that we could find over the three-day weekend in January ending on Martin Luther King Jr. Day. We found that, as President Barack Obama was being sworn in for his second term, at least 91 people were losing their lives to gunfire.

    Why did we find “only” 91 in three days? The main reason is that hardly any suicides get reported in the media. Suicides by gun are twice as common as gun homicides. Some homicides don't get any publicity either. Unless a killer chooses a public place, annihilates an entire family or shoots up a Wal-Mart, he might not even get on a website, in the newspaper or on TV, not on a holiday weekend competing with the festivities in the nation's capital and the Ravens-Patriots and Falcons-Seahawks games. The Griego family massacre in New Mexico was the only incident that long weekend to get significant national news attention. It also could be that holiday weekends with NFL championships are safer, with so many young men – who are statistically far more likely to shoot someone — inside instead, watching the games.

    Guns by the numbers: how violence adds up

    Our goal was not, however, merely to count the deaths, but to share the stories of the people who died, to see what lessons one might learn from those whose deaths usually go unnoticed, that don't prompt the president to order the White House flag to half-staff.

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    It's an inescapable conclusion, even from our small sample, that there are many ways to get killed with a gun in America.

    Based on interviews with police, prosecutors and family members in all but a few of the cases, we tallied 53 homicides where one person killed another. There were another three homicides where multiple people were killed. There were six murder-suicides, and six suicides. Five accidental shootings. Three shootings by police, and at least two by civilians in self-defense. That's 78 horrors with 91 dead. On a different randomly chosen weekend, the count might shake out differently.

    You can get killed throwing your daughter a 17th birthday party, if your angry estranged husband shows up. Without a gun, you might have an angry confrontation and maybe some tears. With a handgun, the birthday girl in Grapevine, Texas, lost her mother and father in a murder-suicide, police said.

    Or you can get killed buying a taco from a vendor on the street in Los Angeles, if you get into an argument with the wrong person, and that person has a gun.

    Or catching a train: A bystander was killed at a Bay Area Rapid Transit station in San Leandro, Calif., when a couple of gangs started trading shots.

    You can get killed spending an afternoon with grandma. Just as the president was beginning his inaugural address and talking about making children safe, a gunman in Cocoa, Fla., burst into a home before a children's birthday party, shooting to death the mother of several of the children and seriously wounding their grandmother.

    Or visiting a strip club. A U.S. Army soldier from Oklahoma's Fort Sill was killed outside a strip club during a dispute over a woman.

    Manatee County Sheriff's Office

    James Brady, 26, was shot and killed in Bradenton, Fla., Jan. 20, as he and two other masked men attempted to rob a resident in his carport, police said.  One alleged robber, Jared Lee, has been charged with felony murder in Brady's death. Authorities are seeking a third man, Charles Jones.

    You can get killed for what may seem like like a pretty good reason, if, as the National Rifle Association’s Wayne LaPierre put it after the Newtown shooting, you're a “bad guy with a gun” who happens to run into a “good guy with a gun.” There were two shootings by citizens that apparently were justified over the long weekend, including one by a man in Bradenton, Fla., who was ready with his own handgun and a concealed weapons permit when three armed robbers wearing masks confronted him and his roommate in their carport, according to police. He killed one of them, and authorities determined it was in self-defense. There also were three shootings by police officers that have tentatively been ruled as justified, including one in which an ex-con was shot dead after he threatened to kill his hostage following an armed robbery.

    Las Vegas Police

    Las Vegas Police Lt. Hans Walters, 52, killed his wife, former police officer Kathryn Michelle Walters, and their 5-year-old son, Maximilian, called 911 to confess and then set his house on fire on Jan. 21, according to police. Walters killed himself with the handgun as police moved in.

    But as we saw last week when a former Los Angeles police officer allegedly went on a murderous rampage against fellow law enforcement officers, the “good guys” aren’t immune to the demons that trigger gun violence. Over the inaugural weekend, a Las Vegas police lieutenant used a handgun to kill his wife, herself a former police officer, and their 5-year-old son, before killing himself, according to police, just as the president was taking his seat on the West Front terrace of the U.S. Capitol on Monday morning.

    You can get killed when your fists are outgunned, like the 22-year-old man who his family said was standing up for his friends in a brawl, when someone else pulled a gun and shot him dead, according to police. They were in Torrance, Calif., attending a punk rock festival headlined by a band called "Aggression."

    You can become an ironic headline, like the 20-year-old man in Lafayette, La., who was shot dead about 60 yards from the Martin Luther King Jr. recreation center, on Monday, the day when Dr. King's legacy of nonviolence was being celebrated. That shooting occurred about the time the Obamas left the White House for their inaugural ball.

    Or you can be ignored as just another victim of a street crime or a drug deal, barely making the local newspapers if you're killed in a "confrontation at a mobile home park" or "shot and killed in an argument in a parking lot."

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    One of the surprises in our snapshot of gun violence was how young many of the victims were.

    Oregon State Police

    Kayla Ann Hendrickson, 16, was killed alongside an Oregon highway on Jan. 19, by her boyfriend, Jacob Allen Green, 24, after an argument, according to police. Green committed suicide near the California border, they said.

    Twenty of the 91 were too young to buy a beer at a baseball game. There's the 16-year-girl in Oregon named Kayla, who was shot to death by the highway, apparently by her 24-year-old boyfriend, who then shot and killed himself with the handgun, according to police. The 6-year-old girl in Cleveland —  her name was Navaeh, and her family called her "Nae Nae" — who somehow got her hands on what police said was the illegal handgun of her felon father, and shot herself in the face. The 18-year-old in Baton Rouge, Terrance, who was playing with a .357 Magnum; when it went off, the bullet missed him, and hit his 2-year-old brother, Travin, in the chest.

    It's hard to miss how male the victims are: Out of 91 dead, 75 were men or boys. And the men were even more likely to be the ones pulling the trigger.

    There's no way to count them all, but the press accounts of these deaths are sprinkled with deadly encounters fueled by drugs and alcohol. We didn't trace the race or ethnicity of victims or shooters for this project; though research indicates that blacks and Hispanics are more likely to be involved in gun violence. But the cases over this weekend were not limited to "urban" violence, with the deaths happening in cities and small towns and suburbs across many class and ethnic groups.

    Looking through the deaths from just that one weekend, one wonders how many of these deaths could have been prevented by the gun-control and gun-safety changes that are being discussed in Washington. There are no easy answers, but one can draw an overall conclusion: Because the types of gun deaths vary greatly, so the solutions would have to vary as well.

    David Hemenway, a professor of health policy and management at the Harvard School of Public Health, says it will require a national mindset shift to make big inroads into the number of gun deaths, similar to the change that occurred in how child abuse – a condition once considered so endemic that it couldn’t be addressed – was viewed after new laws against it were passed in the 19th and 20th centuries.

    "If it was in your safety to have a gun in the home, people in public health would try to get you to own a gun," he said last month at a forum on gun violence sponsored by the Harvard School of Public Health and the Reuters news agency. "But what evidence we have is that it's against your self interest."

    Improvement in mental health efforts, as proposed by the president, might make a difference, particularly in the 12 suicides and murder-suicides. But many of the cases will forever remain a mystery.

    Warwick, R.I., Police Capt. Robert Nelson, who is investigating the murder-suicide of a longtime married couple on the MLK Day weekend, said the law enforcement system is set up to find and punish wrongdoers, not determine root causes: “We don’t have clear motive, and you know, you rarely do,” he told NBC News. “… As seen around the country, when someone kills somebody else then kills themselves as a result of that, you very rarely have any clear motive.”

    In the Griego family massacre in New Mexico, as in the Newtown school shooting, there still is no clear understanding of what may have driven a young man to commit mass murder. Nehemiah Griego, 15, is facing murder charges in adult court. Police say the minister's son shot his mother and three younger siblings with a .22-caliber rifle as they lay in their beds early on that Saturday, then waited to shoot his father with the father's military-style AR-15 rifle.

    What about the proposal to take "weapons of war" — or assault-type weapons —  off the streets, as Obama put it? Police are reluctant to give out details of the type of weapon used in a crime, because that's the sort of fact that they can use when interrogating witnesses and suspects. You'll see a lot of "unknown" for gun type on our map, and we don't have reliable information in most deaths about whether a gun was purchased or owned legally. There are several cases in which guns were not possessed legally.

    The weekend of gun violence does leave an impression that few crimes are committed with the assault weapons whose legality is being debated in Washington. We saw one Detroit homicide where a witness said the gun was an AK-47, but police won't say one way or another. And Nehemiah Griego is said to have used a .22-caliber rifle, then a .223-caliber military-style AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

    Most of the killing, however, is done with handguns that are not on the political radar, one or two victims at a time, not crimes that depend on high-capacity magazines with more than 10 bullets.

    “Certainly I’m not naive enough to say that if we were to ban military-style assault rifles and if we were to ban high-capacity magazines, that we’re not going to have killings or murders," said George Gascón, the San Francisco district attorney, an advocate of banning those weapons and high-capacity magazines. He was discussing the death of Daniel Colon, 44, who was killed with an unknown weapon on the morning of the inauguration, as he was walking home with his cousin from a bar where he had celebrated the football victory by the 49ers. "All we’re saying is that we can reduce the mayhem, and we can have greater control to make sure that the people that own weapons do so in a lawful fashion.”

    Accidental shootings of children may be the most preventable, when children get their hands on guns that adults have not secured.

    In McDonough, Ga., where the mother was asleep, the sheriff's office says the mother had let the children handle her .38-caliber revolver earlier in the evening, when it was unloaded. Sometime in the night, one of the boys loaded the gun.

    The mother was awakened around 2:30 a.m. by a gunshot.

    The mother's 14-year-old son had pointed the gun at his 15-year-old brother's chest and squeezed the trigger, the sheriff’s office said. The sheriff and the district attorney haven't released the names of the boys, and say they haven't decided whether to charge the brother with a crime. The sheriff's office said it didn't consider charging the grieving mother, because her gun was legally owned.

    Many gun owners say they need their guns to be at hand and ready in case of an intruder breaking in during the night. "You try to look at the science," Hemenway, the Harvard professor, said at the gun violence forum. "There's no evidence at all suggesting that having the gun that you can get within two seconds matters more than the gun you can get within 10 seconds. ... There is a huge amount of evidence that having an unsecured gun leads to all sorts of death in the family."

    #####

    Looking at the gun deaths across the land, on just one weekend, is a reminder how ingrained the gun culture is in America, a large part of the story the country tells about itself, especially in the way its young men find identity.

    Consider Jason "Cowboy" Monson, the freshman from the University of Idaho who went down to the police station to get his gun back.

    On Friday, just before our weekend clock began, Jason's roommate spoke with his resident adviser in the dorm, saying he was afraid because Jason was keeping his Desert Eagle handgun under his pillow.

    Jason was raised on a small horse farm in Middleton, Idaho, hunting and fishing, playing football for a Christian school. He was raised around guns. Jason's father is a county sheriff's patrol sergeant, and his mother is a former Boise police officer. (His parents did not respond to a request from NBC News for an interview.) Jason won a national speech competition with 4H, and was studying communications. He was also in the Air Force ROTC and hoped to serve his country. He had a new girlfriend and a sense of humor, and posted a lot of funny stuff on his Facebook page.

    His online summary of himself was unassuming: "im a total cowboy. I hunt cowboy mounted shoot and drive an old ford diesel. Ive broken several bones and most recently chainsawed my foot, that was a great two months, insert sarcasm. I own several guns and will be in the ROTC at the u of I this fall. any questions message me."

    Family photo

    Jason Monson aims a blank pistol at the camera. Jason, who grew up on a small horse farm in Idaho, was active in Cowboy Mounted Shooting, which uses blanks.

    Cowboy Mounted Shooting looks like a lot of fun. (Watch a primer on YouTube.) The riders train skilled horses and compete on an obstacle course, wearing a Western long-sleeved shirt and a cowboy hat and shooting guns loaded with powder cartridges--blanks--at ballooons. Jason had already won a couple of belt buckles. One of his fellow competitors described him as "very nice, respectful, personable and outgoing." It's a great sport for someone who likes people, horses, and guns.

    When the roommate reported the gun, Jason was not at the dorm. The school called the city police, and an officer came and took the gun away. The police chief in Moscow (for non-Idahoans: that's "MOS-ko"), David Duke, said there was no hint that Jason had made any threat against anyone, and Jason wasn't in a whole lot of trouble.

    After all, this is Idaho, where guns are freely allowed with no registration, and one can openly carry a gun without any permit. Jason had violated no criminal law by bringing his handgun to his dorm room, the police chief said. It was against the school rules to have it there — students have to keep their guns in the central gun locker provided by the school. Jason could have faced student judicial charges, but it wasn't a criminal matter.

    When Jason got back to the dorm, his roommate had been moved to another room, and Jason was told that his gun had been confiscated. He called the Moscow police about 10 p.m. to get his gun back, and the officer asked him to come down to the station. He came down about 1 a.m., and the officer said he could have his gun, but not until Tuesday, after the MLK holiday, so he'd have a chance to lock it up at school.

    At 8:46 a.m. local time Sunday morning, just as the Obama family was participating in a day of service by fixing up an elementary school in the nation's capital, Moscow police got another call from the University of Idaho, from the same dorm.

    One of Jason's suitemates had found him, shot in the head, next to notes he'd written to his family.

    Idaho has one of the highest rates of suicides in the country, mostly from guns. It also was the only state in the union without its own certified hotline with counselors trained in suicide prevention; a hotline opened in November, but it's open  only Monday through Thursday, 9 to 5. Chief Duke says he gets a call about suicide on campus every couple of years or so.

    It turned out that the Desert Eagle .45 was not Jason's only gun. Sometime in the night, he'd gone out to his pickup truck for his Smith and Wesson Model 66 .357-caliber revolver.

    'Flashpoint: Guns in America,' an NBC News special report 

    In his obituary, his parents took the opportunity to plead against gun control: "Let us drag the evil hiding in the darkness of the most dangerous places on earth: Gun free zones."

    Jason's photo with his obituary shows Cowboy Monson with a big grin, wearing a black hat and astride a reddish-brown horse at a canter. Jason is looking directly at the camera, where he is pointing his blank pistol.

    That image is the profile photo atop his Facebook page, too, now and perhaps forever, along with the cover image of two semi-automatic rifles criss-crossed over the U.S. Constitution.

    Read Part 2: The faces behind the numbers: Six victims of long weekend's violence

     Also contributing to this story and map for NBC News: Daniel Arkin, Meredith Birkett, John Brecher, David Friedman, Kriss Chaumont, Tracy Connor, Polly DeFrank, Matthew DeLuca, Miranda Leitsinger, Shezad Morani, Lisa Riordan Seville, Jonathan Sweeney and Lisa Wilkins.

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    Is it any surprise that the media is jumping on Obama's gun control side? Obama has been their media darling, who can do no wrong, for years.

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  • 18
    Jan
    2013
    10:58am, EST

    Officials begin digging up body of poisoned lottery winner

    Officials in Chicago exhumed the body of a lottery winner who died shortly before he was able to collect his winnings. NBCNews.com's Dara Brown reports.

    By Andrew Mach, Staff Writer, NBC News

    Authorities in Chicago began exhuming the remains of poisoned lottery winner Urooj Khan early Friday in hopes of determining exactly how he was killed.


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    Officials at the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office said they collected samples from major organs, hair and fingernails Friday from Khan, who died shortly before he was to collect his winnings, later in the day. No initial autopsy took place, NBCChicago.com reported.

    One thing they want to find out is how cyanide entered his system, and authorities say Khan's body showed no signs of trauma. The results of Friday's testing should be known in two to three weeks, according to NBC Chicago.

    Khan, 46, died July 20, one day after the state issued a $425,000 lump sum payout check for his $1 million winning lottery ticket. The check wasn’t cashed until Aug. 15, possibly by a member of his estate.


    An autopsy had not been performed last summer because medical examiners believed Khan died from natural causes, but at the urging of a family member, they took another look and discovered he had been poisoned.

    His death was reclassified as a homicide. 

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    Urooj Khan of Chicago is pictured holding his winning $1 million lottery ticket in this undated handout photo from the Illinois Lottery. Khan died of cyanide poisoning on July 20, 2012, and his death is now a homicide investigation.

    “We are confident he was a healthy person and cannot die like that,” Khan’s brother, ImTiaz Khan, told NBCChicago.com Thursday. “We are just praying to God that justice will be served, and whoever did this will be punished.”

    In an affidavit, Chief Medical Examiner Stephen Cina said it was necessary to do a full autopsy to “further confirm the results of the blood analysis as well as to rule out any other natural causes that might have contributed to or caused Mr. Khan’s death.”

    Khan’s widow and father-in-law have denied any involvement with the death. A lawyer described them as devastated. Khan’s estate with his dry cleaning business and his lotto winnings is said to be worth about $2 million. 

    Police have not announced any suspects in their investigation.

    NBC Chicago’s Charlie Wojciechowski contributed to this story.

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    139 comments

    I feel bad, he won 1mil and he died not soon after. Someone must have been jealous of him so they killed him.

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  • 11
    Jan
    2013
    12:49pm, EST

    Judge allows exhumation of poisoned Chicago lottery winner

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    Urooj Khan of Chicago is pictured holding his winning $1 million lottery ticket in this undated handout photo from the Illinois Lottery. Khan died of cyanide poisoning on July 20, 2012, and his death is now a homicide investigation.

    By Andrew Mach and Carol Eggers, NBC News

    An Illinois judge decided Friday to allow authorities to exhume the body of the Chicago lottery winner police believe was fatally poisoned shortly before he was to collect his winnings.


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    Cook County Circuit Court Associate Judge Susan Coleman signed off on the request from prosecutors and the medical examiner, saying no one had objected to exhuming Urooj Khan’s body at Rosehill Cemetery on Chicago’s North Side, though she did not give a time frame for when the exhumation would take place. 

    Khan, 46, died July 20, one day after the state issued a $425,000 lump sum payout check for his $1 million winning lottery ticket. The check wasn't cashed until Aug. 15, possibly by a member of his estate. The case was recently reclassified as a homicide when a relative told authorities to take a closer look at Khan's death. 

    An autopsy had not been performed last summer because medical examiners believed Khan died from natural causes, but testing revealed he actually died of cyanide poisoning.


    Police have not announced any suspects in their investigation.

    In court Friday, members of Khan's family said they never believed he died of natural causes and were happy with the judge's decision. 

    “I wanted my brother to rest in peace,” Khan’s sister Meraj Khan said. “If that is what it takes to bring justice and peace, that’s what needs to be done.”

    Khan’s brother-in-law Mohammed Zaman, said he didn’t know who would murder him, saying “I cannot point finger,” but said he didn’t think his lottery winnings were a motive because “he was wealthy before too.”

    During Friday’s proceedings, Khan’s brother, Imtiaz Khan, held up documents that he said proved his brother was murdered, but he wouldn’t comment when asked whether he contacted authorities with that information.

    Court papers said the body was not embalmed, leading prosecutors to indicate that it was “critical” to arrange for the remains to be exhumed as soon as possible.

    In an affidavit, Chief Medical Examiner Stephen Cina said it was necessary to do a full autopsy to “further confirm the results of the blood analysis as well as to rule out any other natural causes that might have contributed to or caused Mr. Khan’s death.”

    Khan’s widow and father-in-law have denied any involvement with the death. A lawyer described them as devastated. Khan’s estate with his dry cleaning business and his lotto winnings is said to be worth about $2 million. 

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    I can't believe the authorities weren't suspicious immediately. The poor guy died the day after receiving his check! Don't those cops watch TV?

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  • 9
    Jan
    2013
    5:17pm, EST

    Abandoned baby's mom found dead; police chief starts drive for reward money

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    Police officers inspect a car belonging to missing woman Ebony Jackson that was found in St. Louis on Tuesday, Jan. 8, 2013.

    By Andrew Mach, Staff Writer, NBC News

    A 30-year-old woman suspected of abandoning her infant son last week in an apartment building in St. Louis was found dead in the trunk of her car, prompting the police chief in a nearby town to stand on a street corner soliciting reward money for the hunt for her killer.


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    Ebony Jackson's 2004 Mitsubishi Galant was found around 10 a.m. Tuesday in Breckenridge Hills, about 16 miles away from St. Louis. Her car, found on the 4400 block of Elmbank Avenue, was located via GPS, and the vehicle was towed to a secure location so police could begin a thorough search.

    Jackson's 3-month-old baby was discovered in the hallway of the Hickory Trace Apartment building on Friday, Jan. 4, nearly 12 miles away from where her car was found. The child was in a car seat and was in good health, police said.

    Meanwhile, the police chief of Pine Lawn, about nine miles from St. Louis, began collecting money to put toward a reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of Jackson’s killer.  


    Police Chief Rickey Collins said neither he nor his department have any connection with Jackson, only that her death “rocked” the community. So he stood on a street corner beginning at 9 a.m. Wednesday, with the goal of collecting $5,000 by 3 p.m.

    “It was an unbelievable murder that really touched a lot of hearts of the people here in St. Louis because it went from child abandonment to homicide,” Collins told NBC News. “I know Missouri is a very generous state and collecting rewards has always brought witnesses and evidence forward, so I hope to get information to bring the person forward and solve the case.”

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    A man from Oklahoma claiming to be the father of the baby said Jackson left with their son and headed to Missouri. That man came to St. Louis earlier this week to take a paternity test, the results of which are still pending, NBC affiliate station KSDK in St. Louis reported.

    With less than an hour left of standing outside, Collins, who is on vacation until Jan. 22, said he thought he would get close to reaching his goal.

    “You would think that everyone knows this woman,” Collins said. “People have been very generous, they are participating, giving thumbs up as they pass by and are very supportive of what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.”

    The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department did not identify a cause of death for Jackson. An autopsy will be performed, police said.

    On Thursday, the Pine Lawn Police Department plans on releasing the official amount raised for the reward. 

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    What's particularly sad about this is that there were probably some self-righteous people on their high horse berating the mother for "abandoning" her child... when it seems that either she was dead already, or she felt that she was in danger and left the baby somewhere safe.

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  • 9
    Jan
    2013
    11:07am, EST

    Why use cyanide to murder lottery winner? It's a potent, discreet way to kill

    By Andrew Mach, Staff Writer, NBC News

    Often depicted as the perfect poison in antiquated crime novels, cyanide – the drug police believe to be the cause of death of a lottery winner in Chicago shortly before he was to collect his winnings – is a potent, painful killer that essentially suffocates its victims. 


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    David Benjamin, a professor of biomedical forensic sciences at Boston University, said cyanide is the murder weapon of choice for some because it "can be used surreptitiously, it’s very potent and few drugs act as rapidly.”

    Indeed, the Cook County medical examiner initially ruled the death 46-year-old Urooj Khan, a $1 million lottery winner, to be arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease, a condition involving the hardening of arteries, after an external examination. No autopsy was performed, because there were not obvious injuries and no reason to suspect foul play. 

    “Unless there’s significant trauma to the body, and without having a knife sticking out of the guy’s chest, the medical examiner will probably say, 'Oh, it was a cardiac event,'" Benjamin said.

    But several days after Khan's body was released for burial, a family member approached the doctor who examined the body and suggested officials look into the matter further.

    More in-depth toxicology tests, blood analysis and new screening results revealed a lethal level of cyanide in Khan's blood, according to the medical examiner's report. And with that, like something out of a Sherlock Holmes or Agatha Christie murder mystery, Khan’s official manner of death was ruled a homicide.

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    Usually found only in scientific labs, cyanide is a potent poison that can be ingested or inhaled. It cannot be legally purchased.

    “It’s basically a poison that impedes your body’s ability to use oxygen,” Benjamin said. “It blocks the ability of your blood to circulate oxygen throughout your body, and you basically die from suffocation.”

    Cyanide poisoning would probably feel “like someone had wrapped your face with Saran wrap,” he added.

    Deborah Blum, an expert on poisons who wrote about the detectives who pioneered forensic toxicology in "The Poisoner’s Handbook: Murder and the Birth of Forensic Medicine in Jazz Age New York," said the once-popular homicidal poison essentially results in "this explosion of cell death." 

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    This undated photo provided by the Illinois Lottery shows Urooj Khan, 46, of Chicago's West Rogers Park neighborhood, posing with a winning lottery ticket.

    But Blum said the use of cyanide in killings has become rare because it is difficult to obtain. It can also be easy to detect in some cases, leaving blue splotches on a victim's skin, making it less stealthy than killers would like.

    "The thing about it is that it's not one of those poisons that's tasteless," Blum told The Associated Press. "It has a really strong, bitter taste, so you would know you had swallowed something bad if you had swallowed cyanide. But if you had a high enough dose it wouldn't matter, because ... a good lethal dose will take you out in less than five minutes."

    Other cyanide poisonings have made headlines in recent years.

    • A 42-year-old man in North Carolina poisoned himself in November of last year by ingesting or inhaling potassium cyanide. The incident prompted a hazardous material cleanup.
    • The wife of a once-powerful Chinese politician admitted responsibility for poisoning British businessman Neil Heywood in November 2011 with cyanide over dinner. Heywood was found dead hours later in his hotel room. An internal Chinese report confirmed that he died from potassium cyanide added to his drink.
    • An Ohio emergency room doctor was convicted of aggravated murder in March 2010 for lacing his wife's calcium supplement five years earlier with cyanide so he could be with his mistress. On that day, his wife, Rosemarie, collapsed while driving and crashed her SUV into another vehicle.  

    Chicago Medical Examiner Stephen Cina, who is overseeing Khan's case, told the AP that out of 4,500 autopsies he has performed, he has only seen two incidences of cyanide poisoning.

    Khan's body will be exhumed within the next two weeks, Cina said, in order to complete an investigation into his death.

     

    43 comments

    They should ban and restrict the availability of Cyanide! (oh wait, they already do.)They should ban almonds! (you can derive Cyanide from almond shells.)They should make it illegal to kill someone! (oh wait, they already do.) Goes to show how effective laws are at preventing devious minds from comm …

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  • 8
    Jan
    2013
    8:12am, EST

    $1 million lottery winner fatally poisoned by cyanide

    Urooj Khan, 46, won $1 million off a scratch lottery ticket he bought at a 7-11 in Chicago last June, but just one day after receiving his check, he died. Now, his death has been ruled a homicide, as toxicology reports showed deadly cyanide in his system. NBC's Andrea Canning reports.

    By Andrew Mach and Matthew DeLuca, NBC News

    A lottery winner was fatally poisoned with cyanide just as he was about to collect his payout on a $1 million instant lottery ticket, a Chicago medical examiner said Monday.


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    Urooj Khan died July 20, one day after the state issued a check to him for $425,000, which represented the after tax amount on the lump sum payout on his winning ticket. The check wasn’t cashed until Aug. 15, likely by a member of his estate.

    After a limited exam, Cook County Medical Examiner Stephen Cina found no trauma or unusual substances in the 46-year-old's body, and the medical examiner's office declared that he died of natural causes.

    Khan was buried at Rosehill Cemetery in Chicago, but within a week a concerned relative asked the medical examiner's office to take a closer look. 

    “They had concerns that it was deemed a natural cause of death and wanted us to look harder,” Cina told NBCChicago.com. “And we did.”

    The medical examiner’s office determined from comprehensive toxicology reports that Khan had ingested a deadly amount of cyanide and his death has been reclassified as a homicide.

    Police are considering exhuming his body as part of the investigation.

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    “It’s a very lethal drug,” Cina said of the lethal dosage of cyanide investigators found in Khan’s toxicology samples. “It’s a chemical poison. It basically asphyxiates you at the biochemical level, so a little goes a long way.”

    Khan bought his winning ticket at a 7-Eleven near his home in West Rogers Park, a neighborhood on Chicago's North Side. A native of India, he came to Chicago in the late 1980s and began working at a dry cleaners. He grew his business to include three Chicago-area dry cleaners, and reportedly planned to invest his lottery winnings in his stores.

    He also planned to give some of his winnings to St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital.

    Khan described his gleeful reaction to winning in a June press release from the Illinois Lottery. “I scratched the ticket, then I kept on saying, ‘I hit a million!’ over and over again,” Khan said. “I jumped two feet in the air, then ran back into the store and tipped the clerk $100.”

    Khan’s wife declined an interview with NBCChicago.com outside one of her deceased husband’s dry cleaners. Her husband was a “kind and good-hearted person,” she said.

    “He was a family man who worked hard for his family,” friend Jimmy Goreel told NBCChicago.com. “I just can’t see it happening. If that’s true, it’s sad."

    The Associated Press contributed to this report. 

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    532 comments

    Kinda sad when the Family has to do the Medical Professionals JOB....Why did they NOT find the Poisen the first time around....and is the Orginal Exsaminer Mr. Cina..In on it or been payed to give a clean death...report...

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  • 6
    Jan
    2013
    1:37pm, EST

    Rewards planned in possibly linked killings of elderly San Bernardino women

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    Mary Beth Blaskey, 76, who was found dead by one of her sons Nov. 14 in San Bernardino, Calif.

    By Jason Kandel, NBCSanDiego.com

    Police on Monday are planning to announce rewards of $10,000 for information leading to the resolutions of the killings of three elderly women in San Bernardino whose cases might be linked.


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    The women were found dead in their ransacked homes in San Bernardino, police said. In at least two cases, items were taken from the home, police said.

    On Nov. 14, one of the sons of Mary Beth Blaskey, 76, found her body inside her North Fremontia Drive home when he stopped by her house to give her a ride to the doctor’s office. Someone stole her Lexus, TV and computers, police said.

    Blaskey’s youngest son, Gunner, said he wants justice but won’t be satisfied by the police announcement Monday.

    “No matter what they do, it won’t bring my mom back,” he said. “My heart’s broken. She loved everybody, and everybody loved her. She liked to laugh and have fun. She was beautiful and intelligent. She was the world’s greatest mom.”

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    The body of Wanda Lee Paulin, 86, was found on Dec. 12, 2010, inside her home in the 5000 block of Mountain View Drive. She was discovered by a relative who went to check on her when she didn’t show up for church, according to the San Bernardino Sun.

    Paulin was a bookkeeper for more than 23 years at the First Presbyterian Church in San Bernardino, according to a neighborhood newsletter called The El Chicano Weekly.

    The church website on Saturday urged congregants to sign letters of support to Gov. Jerry Brown to release reward money from the state to help solve her case. The church said it was offering pre-written letters and access to laptops and stationery for those people who want to write their own letters.

    “We do this to protest violence against this sister in Christ,” the website read. “We also do it as a sign of love and support for Joanne & the rest of Wanda’s family.”

    Susan Hassett found the body of Josephine Kelley, her 90-year-old mother, in the 2800 block of Muscupiabe Drive on Sept. 15, 2005, the Sun wrote.

    No details about how the women were killed were released, nor would police say whether they were killed in a similar manner.

    154 comments

    those poor people , when are we going to learn to execute thugs in a year or less ?

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  • 4
    Jan
    2013
    5:28pm, EST

    'We've lost respect for life': Detroit records deadliest year in decades

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    Detroit Interim Police Chief Chester Logan answers a question as Mayor Dave Bing looks on during a news conference in Detroit on Thursday.

    By Andrew Mach, Staff Writer, NBC News

    The homicide rate in the city of Detroit continued a grim upward trend in 2012, hitting its highest peak in nearly two decades, officials said Thursday.


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    A dwindling population -- 706,585 people in 2011, according to the U.S. Census estimate -- and the rise in homicides combined to make Detroit’s murder rate among the highest in the nation, Detroit Mayor Dave Bing and Police Chief Chester Logan announced at a press conference.  

    “We’ve just lost respect for each other; we’ve lost respect for life,” Bing said. “I don’t want to say that you can forget about this generation or the generation before us, but if we’re going to solve the problem, we’ve got to get into the heads and the minds and the hearts of our young people, and it’s going to take all of us to do that.”

    Detroit’s total of 411 homicides in 2012, up from 377 the previous year, includes 386 criminal homicides and 25 “justifiable homicides” that included three shootings by police, according to numbers released by the city. The number of criminal homicides increased 12 percent from 344 in 2011. The total in 2010 was 308. 


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    Even as violent crime rates in the U.S. fell for the fifth consecutive year in 2011, the homicide rate in Detroit rose to a level higher than nearly 40 years ago when the city was known as the Murder Capital, the Detroit News reported. The same day the city's official crime statistics were announced, a Detroit woman was charged with fatally stabbing her 8-year-old daughter and a cab driver was killed in a double shooting on the city’s northwest side.

    “I think the message that we want our citizens to understand is that we need them. We need them to help us. I just don’t believe that our police department should have the total responsibility for safety in the city," Bing said. "There are, as the chief said, he can have an additional thousand cops, but there are things that are happening in homes and families in the communities and the neighborhoods that whether a cop was there or not is not going to stop the crime.” 

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    Homicides have declined nationwide for years, most notably in New York, where in 2012 there were 414 homicides and a rate of one per 19,915 people.

    New Orleans reported a small drop from 199 to 193 in 2012. With a population 360,740, the rate was one per 1,869 residents.

    In Washington, D.C., there were 88 homicides in 2012, the lowest total since 1961. With a population of 617,966, that puts the rate at one per 7,023 people.

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    Elsewhere across the country, homicide rates made only slight jumps compared to Detroit. 

    • In Los Angeles, the homicide rate increased from 291 to 294 last year, with a population of nearly 3.8 million.
    • The homicide rate in Chicago went up nearly 17 percent in 2012, topping 500 for the first time in four years. Last year’s total was 505, up from 433 in 2011.
    • Homicides in Cleveland, Ohio, spiked in 2012 with 97 and a rate of one per 4,060 people.
    • Philadelphia homicides increased from 324 to 331 in 2012. With a population of 1.54 million, that amounts to one per 4,642.
    • In St. Louis, which has a population of 318,169 people, the rate stayed the same at between 2011 and 2012 at one per 2,815 people. There were 113 homicides last year, well below the average of 141 for the five previous years.

    Detroit Police Chief Logan said the criminal activity in the city comes from a small minority of the city's population.

    "These aren't the average citizens we are talking about," Logan said. "Many of these people are involved in nefarious walks of life, and there's a difference between a law-abiding citizen who shoots a gun and a criminal or a thug who's out there using one."

    Still, Mayor Bing offered messages of hope for the city. 

    “We can’t give up, we can’t give in, and we’ve really got to let the small percentage of our population that’s creating havoc in our city know that we’re not going to continue to accept it and all of us need to get involved and help each other solve the problem,” Bing said. 

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    957 comments

    Looks like yet another blue state that needs gun control. What a cesspool!

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  • 29
    Dec
    2012
    4:36am, EST

    Tale of two cities: Homicides plummet in New York, leap in Chicago

    By M. Alex Johnson, NBC News

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    Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, pictured at a flag-raising ceremony at the Chicago Police Academy in October, said this month that "we will not rest" until Chicago's growing homicide rate is reversed.

    New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg was crowing.


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    "The number of murders this year will be lower than any time in recorded city history," Bloomberg said Friday in a statement announcing that homicides in the city this year had fallen to 414 — the fewest since it started keeping such statistics in 1963.

    About the same time Friday, Chicago police were trying to get the message out that their city hadn't actually recorded its 500th homicide this year, as was being reported. A few hours later, they had to backtrack and acknowledge that, yes, in fact, "the city has seen its 500th homicide for 2012."

    That's right: There were more homicides this year in Chicago than in New York, a city with three times the population. That means Chicagoans were proportionally 3.7 times more likely to be homicide victims than New Yorkers were in 2012:


    Overall, crime is down in Chicago in just about every category — except the most devastating one.

    "We've obviously seen, as a city, our shootings and our homicides going in a different direction," Mayor Rahm Emanuel said this month at a graduation ceremony for police recruits, vowing, "We will not rest" until that trend is reversed.

    Grim milestone: Chicago records 500th homicide of 2012

    Meanwhile, in New York, "we're preventing crimes before someone is killed," Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said Friday.

    New York didn't just reduce homicides — it reduced them by 19.6 percent. And Chicago didn't just have more homicides — it had 15.6 percent more.

    Both figures are extraordinary. Last year, homicides fell by about 4 percent in New York, exactly in line with other U.S. cities with populations greater than 1 million, according to FBI figures. They fell in Chicago by just less than three-quarters of 1 percent.

    While there's always the chance that the changes are just statistical flukes, two concrete factors appear to be at least partly responsible: money and priorities.


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    New York's police budget held steady in fiscal 2012, at about $4.6 billion.

    Emanuel, facing a $300 million budget deficit, by contrast cut $67 million from the $1.3 billion police budget — a 5 percent reduction that was down from his original proposal to cut police funding by 15 percent.

    While Emanuel and Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said the cuts would help the police department become more efficient, Jens Ludwig, a criminal justice expert at the University of Chicago, said it was difficult "to think that you could have budget cuts like these and have no impact on crime and other aspects of public life."

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    "I have been really surprised at how little attention the local and state budget situation has received in discussions about the Chicago violence problem," Ludwig told NBC News on Friday.

    The other factor is commitment, Ludwig said. 

    "New York City seems to be exceptionally focused on getting illegal guns off the street," he said.

    Ludwig drew an analogy to prosecution of drunken driving.

    At one time, the official attitude was that "if the driver is lucky enough not to hurt anyone, it's no big deal," he said. "But (eventually) we started to realize drunk driving imposes probabilistic harm, and so we started to punish the risky behavior rather than focus on the luck of the draw about whether anyone happened to get hurt.

    "New York City has taken that idea seriously for illegal gun carrying, recognizing that illegal guns on the street greatly increase the risk that an argument turns into a murder," he said.

    Kelly, the New York police commissioner, stressed that point Friday, saying his officers had taken 8,000 weapons "out of the hands of people we stop, 800 of them illegal handguns." 

    "We're preventing crimes before someone is killed and before someone else has to go to prison for murder or other serious crimes," he said.

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    Bloomberg made a similar point, singling out what he called the city's renewed commitment to Operation Impact, a 2003 state initiative that pairs new police recruits with veteran officers in specific high-crime areas. The city's participation "reflects our commitment to doing everything possible to stop gun violence," he said.

    Left unmentioned was the city's controversial stop-and-frisk policy, which allows officers to search someone as he or she exits a private building if they have a "reasonable suspicion" that the person is likely to commit a crime.

    "I think there is some empirical basis to think that all those hundreds and thousands of stops and searches for illegal guns helps keep guns off the street and contributes to a lower homicide rate," Ludwig said.

    But the policy is under legal challenge from civil liberties groups, which contend that police use it as a pretext to stop and search people without cause — the great majority of them members of minority groups.

    According to an analysis of raw arrest statistics by the nonprofit Center for Constitutional Rights, which opposes the policy, 84 percent of the 686,000 people stopped and searched in 2011 were African-American or Latino. Only 6 percent of the stops resulted in an arrest. And in only 2 percent of stops were illegal weapons or other contraband actually found.

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    Statistics like that make it worth asking "whether stop and frisk is worth the cost," Ludwig said. "All the stops come disproportionately to young, minority males." 

    A trial date is set for March. In the meantime, Bloomberg said Friday, New York remains "the safest big city in America."

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    Wow...good thing Chicago and the state of Illinois has the strictest gun laws in the nation...at least the law abiding citizens can't shoot anyone. Wake UP! The only people that can carry a loaded gun in Ill are criminals and cops.

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