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  • 4
    Nov
    2012
    3:20pm, EST

    Delphi retirees say Obama administration betrayed them

    In Ohio, a battleground state, thousands of former employees of General Motors' principal parts supplier, Delphi, blame the Obama administration for the deep cuts to their pension. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.

     

    By Talesha Reynolds and Lisa Myers, NBC News

    At first glance, David Kane, 63, appears to be solidly middle class. He has a home on a lovely suburban street in Sandusky, Ohio, and a boat docked in the nearby marina.

    But looks can be deceiving. Kane doesn’t have television or even a functioning wristwatch. He and his wife Dianne live on their boat, a 1976 Trojan Tri-Cabin in need of repair, for part of the year to save on utility costs. He does outdoor maintenance at the marina to pay for the docking fees.

    After a 35-year career at Delphi, the primary parts supplier for General Motors, Kane expected retirement to look much different. He left the company at age 54 as it was downsizing, and he was offered a buyout.


    But in 2009, Kane received word that, as part of the bailout to save General Motors, the pensions that he and 20,000 fellow Delphi salaried employees were promised would be reduced 30 to 70 percent.

    Kane lost almost half his pension and now receives only $1,600 a month. He says it has been devastating. “It’s just a beat down, day in and day out, to struggle to get through.”

    What makes it more difficult is that other Delphi workers who worked alongside Kane, members of the powerful United Auto Workers union, did not suffer the same fate. They are receiving their full pensions.

    When the government stepped in to bail out GM, providing a total of $50 billion from taxpayers, it also had to deal with Delphi, which already was in bankruptcy, because GM needed Delphi’s parts to build its cars. In the process, Delphi’s pensions were handed over to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBCG), a government-backed entity that insures private pensions. The PBCG terminated the pension plans, which were underfunded at the time.

    Then General Motors did something that the Government Accountability Office, Congress’ investigative arm, later called “unusual.” GM agreed to top up the pensions of 22,000 Delphi members of the United Auto Workers union – at a cost of $1 billion. That enabled the UAW workers to still get their full pensions.

    But there was no such sweetener for the company’s salaried employees or for the non-UAW hourly workers. And because the PBGC has statutory limits on how much it can pay in benefits, their payments were reduced sharply.

    “We were the group that was just kicked to the curb like yesterday’s trash,” said Bruce Gump, vice-chairman of the Delphi Salaried Employees Association.

    Now, two congressional committees and the Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Recovery Program (SIGTARP) are investigating the basis and motivation for this decision. Was this a political favor for a powerful union that backed President Barack Obama, as critics claim? Or was this a business decision by GM, based, according to the company, on an agreement originally negotiated in 1999 during Delphi’s spin off from the automaker? What role did the Obama administration play?

    Inspector General Christy Romero, has said she’s looking into “whether the (administration’s) auto task force pressured GM to provide additional funding for those pensions.”

    In a later agreement with the new GM, two other unions, IUE and USWA, were also topped up. Members of the Delphi Salaried Employees Association say they do not begrudge the union retirees their pensions, because they earned them. The salaried workers just want equal treatment, and they want answers from the government. 

    Retirees hard hit by ‘broken promises’
    Mary Miller, a divorced mother of four who worked at GM and Delphi for over 31 years, said the hit to her pension caused a true hardship.

    “It's a struggle every day, and every time anything breaks, it's a near disaster,” she said, adding that she hasn’t had a working dishwasher for two years.

    Miller had been counting on her full pension to help her start new career as a life coach.

    “My plan was, ‘OK, I have a pension and I have health care. And I have a son in high school and sons in college -- and a daughter also.  But if we live very simply, I can make that pension stretch so that I can really have my dream.” 

    Miller started the business anyway, but she says it is growing slowly because of the economy.

    Miller has a friend, a former colleague at Delphi with whom she worked closely for several years in the same role, though he was paid hourly while she was drawing a salary. She can’t understand why he was treated differently.

    “What made the work that that person did more valuable than the work I did? What was greater about the promise he received when he went to work for GM and Delphi than what I was told?”

    Gump, who worked for General Motors and Delphi for almost 33 years and was a senior engineer when he retired, lost about 30 percent of his pension.

    “Inside our organization we have lots of people that have seen their homes foreclosed,” he said. “They’ve had to declare personal bankruptcy. There’s been some families that have broken up over the stress associated with this. There’s even been a couple suicides.”

    The DSRA retirees are a politically diverse group – Republicans, Democrats and Independents – but regardless of political stripe, many of them believe the Obama administration betrayed them. Howard Collins, a Democrat, said he voted for Barack Obama in 2008 but isn’t sure he would do so again. 

    “I don't know if I will decide until I actually go in the voting booth,” he said. 

    Did the government pick winners and losers?
    As senior advisor on auto issues at the Treasury Department, Ron Bloom led the administration’s Auto Task Force. He insists the government was not involved in GM’s individual decisions but simply approved the overall plan as being viable and based on commercial rather than political considerations.

    “What I think is a fair surmise is that General Motors made a judgment that there was a commercial necessity for treating the UAW the way they did,” says Bloom.  There was concern that the unions might interfere with the flow of parts from Delphi to the auto company, which could harm new GM. Topping up the union pensions ensured the work would continue.

    “The UAW had commercial leverage in this case, which they utilized.”

    Bloom now says he feels for the Delphi workers. “There's no making it nice. There's no saying it's OK. The only thing one can say is that it was done in a responsible and fair way relative to the rules of the road in a bankruptcy.”

    His position was echoed by Treasury Spokesman Anthony Coley, who told NBC News, "As has been exhaustively documented, Treasury's consistent approach to the auto restructuring was to defer to GM's business judgment and not approve or disapprove individual business decisions. While the GM restructuring involved painful concessions from all stakeholders, President Obama's decision to stand behind GM and the American auto industry saved more than a million jobs."

    But Bruce Gump, the Delphi salaried workers representative, calls that justification a “smoke screen.”

    “I believe that what really happened was that this administration simply wanted to take care of their political base,” he said.

    The administration has turned over thousands of documents related to Treasury’s discussions between GM, Delphi and the PBGC, but not to the satisfaction of members of the House Oversight Committee, House Ways and Means Committee, or attorneys for the salaried Delphi employees  They accuse the Treasury Department of stonewalling and withholding key documents.

    Ron Bloom and key Task Force members Harry Wilson and Matthew Feldman refused to be interviewed by the special investigator general of TARP about the Delphi pension decisions for almost a year, until July, when they were called to testify before a house subcommittee.  Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, called their refusal to answer questions “a happy train of silence.”

    The three have now complied and the special investigator general’s audit is nearing completion.

    Emails and testimony from lawsuits and ongoing investigations suggest the administration was deeply involved in GM’s decisions and considered a list of “politically sensitive” issues, but so far there is no proof the pension decisions were driven by political favoritism.

    For its part, General Motors maintains that by topping up the union pensions, the company was fulfilling an agreement made at the time of the Delphi spin-off. And GM holds that the fate of the salaried employees was in the hands of the new Delphi.

    “Delphi’s salaried pension plan was fully funded, and it was transferred to Delphi at the time the new company was created,” GM spokesperson Greg Martin said in a statement to NBC News.  “Responsibility for the future health of that plan – including funding levels and asset allocation – rested solely with Delphi.  The new GM is not in a position to fund salaried Delphi pensions twice.”

    In 2010, then UAW President Ron Gettelfinger expressed support for Delphi’s salaried pensioners.

    "This is a grave injustice," Gettelfinger wrote in a letter to the Delphi Salaried Retirees Association. "While the restructuring of America's auto industry requires shared sacrifice and responsibility, Delphi's salaried retirees/former employees are being forced to bear extra burdens that are not warranted."

    Seeking resolution
    The salaried workers have bipartisan support for their cause.

    Last week Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, sent a letter to Department of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and the White House Counsel requesting compliance with a congressional request for documents.

    Sen. Sherrod Brown, a Democrat from Ohio, has introduced legislation that would restore the salaried pensions using proceeds from the sale of the government’s shares of GM stock.

    But legislation takes time. The group representing the salaried workers would prefer to receive their full pension directly from the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, which they say would not cost taxpayers a dime, because it receives its income from the premiums paid by the companies whose plans it insures.

    Whether or not they believe the decision was made to appease an influential ally of the administration, the salaried retirees say that after a three-year struggle, it is just time to put things right.

    “Really, that's in the past to be honest with you,” said David Kane. “You can't do anything about history. It's locked in. Where do we go from here? I'm more focused on what we do now to change the future. That's the only thing we can change.”

    Kane’s wife, Dianne, lost her job around the same time his pension was reduced. Together, the couple has nine part-time jobs, but they are still barely making it.

    “Our finances were based upon this scale, if you will, of expected income. And even with all the number jobs that we're working, it doesn't replace what we lost. It was easier sliding down the hill than to climb back up it,” Kane said.

    Kane’s health has created additional challenges. Months before his pension was cut, he was diagnosed with prostate cancer. He also suffers from chronic fatigue syndrome.

    Kane is still looking for full-time work but has had no luck. He suspects his age and poor health are a factor. Nevertheless, he remains hopeful.

    “What I would like to see now is that portion of our pensions restored to the levels that they were before Delphi exited bankruptcy and did away with our pensions,” he said. “If I can get that portion back, I can make it. It's just too tough without it.”

    Lisa Myers is NBC's senior investigative correspondent and Talesha Reynolds is an NBC investigative producer.

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    Obama's Hope and Change in action.

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  • 26
    Jul
    2012
    12:35pm, EDT

    Woman charged with cashing mummified friend's checks

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    By James Eng, NBC News

    A 72-year-old Michigan woman who authorities say kept the body of her longtime companion in her house for more than 18 months after he died is being charged with cashing more than $28,000 worth of his benefit checks.

    The Jackson County prosecuting attorney’s office on Wednesday issued a warrant charging Linda Lou Chase with two counts of forgery.  


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    The mummified corpse of Chase’s 67-year-old housemate and companion, Charles Zigler, was found July 6 seated in a chair in the house. Jackson, Mich., police went to the home after getting a 911 call from one of Zigler’s relatives who became concerned after not being able to contact him.


    An autopsy determined Zigler died of natural causes -- chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

    Police believe Zigler died around Christmas 2010 and his body had been left decaying in a cloth recliner chair in the living room since that time.

    Prosecutors say Chase forged Zigler’s signature and cashed his monthly Social Security and pension benefits after his death. They also still are investigating whether he may have been receiving veterans’ benefits, too.

    Though the maximum penalty for forgery is 14 years, it’s unlikely Chase will spend any significant amount of time – if any – behind bars because of her age and health.

    “There’s no chance at all she get that kind of sentence. It’s a practical impossibility in this case,” Mark Blumer, Jackson County chief assistant prosecutor, said Thursday.

    “It’s open to serious questions whether she would ever see the inside of a prison or jail. We want her to make restitution and see whether she needs some kind of mental help.”

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    “This is a very unusual case,” Prosecutor Hank Zavislak said in a press release. “Given the circumstances it is clear a comprehensive mental examination is in order. I would expect that to be ordered as the case progresses.”

    Chase will not be charged in connection with keeping her boyfriend’s body in her house for more than a year and a half.

    “We researched the law in Michigan and found out there doesn’t appear to be statute that appropriately covers what she did or didn’t do with respect to the gentleman’s body,” Blumer said.

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    Most of Michigan’s current laws concerning bodies deal with inappropriate disposition by a licensed mortician or removal to interfere with a criminal investigation.

    “She literally did not move the body – so moving a body before the medical examiner could examine it doesn’t apply,” Blumer said.

    Once a judge signs the warrant, Chase will be arrested, brought before the court and arraigned. A date for a probable cause hearing would then be set.

    “This is a sad and unfortunate case on many fronts,” Zavislak said.

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    What the heck, Did he not stink after all that time,, The smell must have been awful,,

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  • 28
    Jun
    2012
    8:04pm, EDT

    Sandusky could keep $59,000 pension despite conviction

    By Vignesh Ramachandran

    Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, convicted of 45 counts of child sexual abuse, could still profit from his public pension.


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    Sandusky stands to collect $58,898 each year, according to PennLive.com, because the crimes he committed are not included on the list of 22 that would force him to give up his benefits.

    Pennsylvania's public officials or retirees are required to forfeit their pensions under the State Employees' Retirement System (SERS) if they commit "certain crimes that breach the member's duty of faithful and honest public service." The list does not include sex crimes.


    "I think it is nauseating that a convicted pedophile like Sandusky will be collecting a pension while sitting behind bars," Pennsylvania Rep. Brendan Boyle said in a statement. "He certainly doesn't deserve to continue to enjoy the benefit of a taxpayer-funded pension."

    Upon his death, Sandusky's wife, Dottie, would be able to get half of the annual payout, PennLive.com reported.

    Nicholas Maiale, chairman of the SERS board, told PennLive.com that he will get a legal review of the board's options in this case. "I am a Penn Stater and I am a citizen of Pennsylvania, and we are all morally outraged about this case and what happened to those kids,” he said, though he is not optimistic about a forfeiture.

    Retired Penn State Vice President Gary Schultz, meanwhile, could lose his pension after being accused of perjury, PennLive.com reported.

    Rep. Boyle introduced a bill in 2011, before Sandusky was charged, that is now one of six bills that could broaden the list of crimes that require public workers to give up their pensions, PennLive.com reported.

    Sandusky’s sentencing is expected in about three months.

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    Those loopholes in the law ..... they are the law. A better question than "why does Sandusky get to profit?" might be "Why didn't the State Employees' Retirement System include sex crimes in their list?"

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  • 15
    Jun
    2012
    6:54am, EDT

    'Bad deal' lump pension payouts for veterans draw new scrutiny

    By Bob Sullivan, Columnist, NBC News

    Daryl Henry's reward for 20 years of service in the Navy was a $1,083 monthly pension. But more than half of it went to a private California company -- Retired Military Financial Services -- after Henry was duped into a complex financial agreement, the Maryland resident alleged in a class-action lawsuit.

    Struggling with bills, Henry says he answered an ad in the Navy Times and traded 96 months of future pension checks -- totaling $103,000 -- for a lump sum payment of $42,131. He then spent years depositing his government pension checks into a special account so Retired Military Financial Services could take its share of the taxpayer-funded payments and pay private investors with it.

    Lump sum pension payments for vets are big business, targeting 1.5 million former service members who receive $40 billion annually. Companies that provide them have attracted negative attention from military advocates for years. Tales of retired or injured vets getting 30 to 40 cents on the dollar are easy to find. In 2004, Congress threatened legislation designed to banish the industry, and several courts have ruled the arrangements run afoul of existing federal laws.


    Still, companies offering so-called "annuity utilization contracts" crowd out Google searches around military pensions and loans. The websites that rank highest are often decorated with red, white and blue banners, and they have government-sounding dot-com names. While the lump payouts may sound attractive to retired vets in a financial bind, the terms are oppressive: Participants find themselves with what is essentially a loan at 30 percent interest.

     

    But on Monday, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director Richard Cordray said his agency will begin focusing on pension lump sum payments.

    "We are ... concerned about military pension buyout schemes," Cordray said in a speech on Elder Abuse Awareness Day. "Military retirees are offered lump-sum cash payments in return for surrendering their rights to their pension payouts. These schemes are usually very bad deals for the retirees. We want to collect information on all of these kinds of financial practices."

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    Several agencies and investigators have been collecting information on the industry for years. John Wasik, an author of 13 books on personal finance, recently investigated the industry for investment-related fraud in a column on Forbes.com.

    "Basically, you sign up they lock you in, and if you want out, you don't have recourse," Wasik said. "There is very clear language saying, ‘This is not a loan,’ but it resembles a loan in all characteristics."

    Where do these pension payout companies get their capital from? Investors looking for steady returns. Wasik found that Retired Military Financial Service’s partner, California-based Structured Investments Co., was ordered by an arbitrator in November to repay $5 million to investors who alleged they were defrauded. In December, the firm agreed to stop selling the investments in California.

    In August, a California court ruled in favor of Henry and the class of veterans who joined his lawsuit, ordering Retired Military Financial Service to return $2.9 million.

    "There is an awful lot of litigation out there," Wasik said. "My biggest concern is the proliferation of these things without regulation. Somebody should be looking at what they are doing."

    Attempts to reach Retired Military Financial Services by deadline were unsuccessful. Founder Steven P. Covey defended his company last year in a story published by the Center for Public Integrity’s iWatchNews.org.

    "The position is: We’re purchasing at a discounted lump-sum, future cash flow,” he said. “We’re not lenders. When you’re not lenders, you’re not dealing in potential usury areas.”

    Covey's attorney, Robert Clarkson, told Wasik that his client had "done nothing wrong,” but said he wouldn't answer questions because of pending litigation.

    'It's likely every single one is violating a law'
    Plenty of websites offer cash for pension and disability payments, which add to an already crowded field of firms offering lump payments for structured settlement recipients. There’s good money in granting lump payments to down-on-their-luck consumers who have a guaranteed stream of income. Military pensions fall into a protected category, however, says Stuart Rossman of the National Consumer Law Center, who helped argue Henry's case.

    "If these sites are dealing with the issue of military pensions, it's likely every single one is violating a law," he said.

    All firms that offer such lump payments are between a legal rock and a hard place, he said. Assigning military pensions to a third party isn’t legal; offering loans without abiding by Truth and Lending Requirements is also illegal.

    "And they are either one of the other," he said. 

    One site, MilitaryPensionLoan.org, offers a typical example: "This program is NOT A LOAN," it says on its home page, despite its Web address. "We will buy the next eight years of your pension for a lump sum of cash."

    MilitaryPensionLoan.org didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

    Despite the legal troubles, and occasional bad publicity, the military loan/pension products have survived for more than a decade. Rossman said he filed his first case against such a firm nine years ago. But why?

    He thinks many of these companies use veterans' sense of honor against them.

    "They believe in doing their duty. They don't want to come forward. They believe 'It's my mistake and I have to own up to it,'" Rossman said. "And a lot of them don't even realize they are paying 30 percent interest."

    Rossman hopes military pension payout companies are on the ropes now that investors might be scared away by the California litigation. No investors would mean no money for lump payments. 

    Henry’s legal triumph was a bit of a hollow victory, however -- he'd already made all 96 payments by the time the judge ruled in his favor. While he is entitled to a portion of the $2.9 million judgment, Rossman said the owners of Retired Military Financial Payments had declared bankruptcy, so there are no assets to pay the judgement.  

    Still, it was a worthy fight, Rossman said. 

    "He's proud he's put a stop to this, and once we had the judge's ruling, we were able to tell other members of the class they could stop making payments. We saved them a lot of money, and he's proud of that," Rossman said.

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  • 15
    Mar
    2012
    2:36pm, EDT

    Pension predicament: New York just the latest state to cut retirement benefits

    Mike Groll / AP

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo says the pension reforms passed by state lawmakers will save more than $80 billion over the next 30 years.

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    The pension cuts that public workers in New York will face are just the latest in a litany of retirement benefit reductions instituted by financially strapped states across the country, even as the economy flickers back to life.


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    A report released this week by the National Conference of State Legislatures says 43 states reduced retirement benefits for broad categories of public employees and teachers from 2009 through 2011. The changes to public pension plans, once considered a sacred cow immune from the chopping block, include increasing employee contributions, boosting age or service requirements for retirement, or both.


    “What it says is that policy makers have found existing public employee plans to be too expensive for them to afford in the future, so they’re essentially shifting more of the cost to employees in a number of ways,” Ron Snell, a director with the National Conference of State Legislatures in Denver, told msnbc.com.

    The New York Legislature early Thursday approved a pension overhaul proposal backed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo that reduces retiree benefits for future state and local government workers, increases employee contribution rates and boosts the retirement age for most new workers by one year to 63.

    Cuomo said the reforms will save more than $80 billion over the next 30 years.

    "For years, local governments have struggled to cope with soaring retirement costs, driving up taxes on New York families and small businesses," Cuomo said in a statement Thursday. "Without this critical reform, New Yorkers would have seen significant tax increases, as well as layoffs to teachers, firefighters and police."

    New York lawmakers pass sweeping pension cuts

    The AFL-CIO, the largest U.S. labor group, blasted the plan as harmful to employees.

    “Instead of cutting pensions for workers, we should focus on ensuring that corporations and the wealthiest New Yorkers are paying their fair share of taxes,” the labor group said in a statement this week.

    New York’s $140.3 billion fund is the third-largest U.S. public pension plan, and one of the best-performing. It had 101.5 percent of the money to pay its obligations in 2010, according to an annual study by Bloomberg Rankings.

    So if New York can’t afford to maintain its current level of retiree benefits, can any state?

    The California Public Employees' Retirement System, the nation's largest public pension fund, this week lowered its forecast for investment returns and asked the state of California, school districts and local governments to increase contributions — a move that could siphon more money from basic services.

    CalPERS’ $233 billion fund, which serves 1.6 million California government workers, retirees and their families, has an unfunded liability of at least $85 billion, according to The Associated Press.

    Across the nation, Snell says, states are trying to play catch-up with a reservoir of unfunded liabilities caused by two severe recessions since 2000. The economic downturns wreaked havoc on the value of stocks and other assets held by pension funds. Couple that with an increasingly aging workforce that's nearing retirement and you have a recipe for pension pitfalls.

    “The big issue is not so much pensions going forward as it is large unfunded liabilities that are legacies of the past,” Snell says. “Reducing pensions costs going forward puts states in more favorable position to address those problems, but doesn’t resolve them.”

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    Most people in the private sector pay for their own retirement through 401K's. Why do I have to pay for workers pensions yet take responsibility for my own retirement.

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  • 15
    Mar
    2012
    11:37am, EDT

    New York lawmakers pass sweeping pension cuts

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    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo says public pension reform was needed to stave off tax hikes.

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    ALBANY, N.Y. -- Future public workers in New York will have their retirement benefits cut under a sweeping pension reform measure passed by state lawmakers.


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    The measure, aimed at reducing future public worker retiree benefit costs by some $80 billion over 30 years, was approved by lawmakers early Thursday morning after Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a first-term Democrat, struck deals with legislative leaders late Wednesday.

    The legislation was tied to a clutch of bills that passed, including measures to expand Las Vegas-style casino gambling and the state's criminal DNA database.


    "Without this critical reform, New Yorkers would have seen significant tax increases, as well as layoffs to teachers, firefighters and police," Cuomo said in a statement.

    The approval was a defeat for labor unions, who claimed they were sold out by Cuomo. New York has the highest union membership rate among states, at just over 24 percent, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    “This deal is about politicians standing with the 1 percent — the wealthiest New Yorkers — to give them a better break while telling nurses, bus drivers, teachers, secretaries, and laborers to put up and shut up,” Danny Donohue, the president of the state’s largest union of public workers, the Civil Service Employees Association, was quoted as saying by The New York Times.

    Spiraling public-sector employee pension obligations are one of the top financial problems faced by state and local governments across the U.S.

    The pension reform reduces retiree benefits for future state and local government workers, increases the amount higher-earning public employees contribute toward their retirement plans, and raises the retirement age by a year to 63, among other measures.

    New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg applauded the bill.

    "Skyrocketing pension costs have caused fiscal crises in many cities and counties around New York, cutting into local governments' ability to deliver core services," Bloomberg said in a statement. "That's why mayors and county executives - from both parties, and from every region in the state - came together to support Governor Cuomo's plan."

    A senior official in the Cuomo administration said that the deal will save local governments about $80 billion in pension costs over three decades. Cuomo had proposed a pension overhaul estimated to save $113 billion over three decades and relieve local governments of a growing cost in employer contributions that could threaten solvency. The deal worked out late Wednesday made changes to the plan, reducing the total but still producing a hefty savings.

    In striking the deal, Cuomo scaled back the most contentious portion of his pension proposal, which would have given new public workers the option of forgoing a traditional pension and instead choosing a defined contribution plan, similar to a 401(k), according to the Times.

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    I think the unions are needed and provide a good service to their members, but the pensions is where they lose my support. The gravy train has got to end. If they fund their own pensions fine, but the tax payers shouldn't. I dont get a pension, and most people I know dont, hell I dont even have 401k …

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